[02:01] <ari_stress> morning all :D
[02:03] <kgoetz> morning :)
[02:10] <ari_stress> wazzup kgoetz
[02:11] <kgoetz> trying to fix a broken wiki at work :/
[02:11] <kgoetz> one of the not 100% successful bits of yesterdays upgrade
[02:25] <ari_stress> what wiki do you use?
[02:28] <kgoetz> currently php wiki, but we are aiming to migrate to mediawiki RSN. (amusing really, i hacve to get phpwiki working before i'm alowedd to get rid of it)
[03:55] <ScorpFromHell> anybody tried DHCP/TFTP/preseeding apprach to mass install Ubuntu/Edubuntu? how does it compare to doing a disk image copying using tools like Norton Ghost or PartImage?
[04:02]  * johnny guesses it is slower
[04:03] <johnny> if you're using all sorts of different HDs tho
[04:03] <johnny> preseeding would be the better way
[04:03] <kgoetz> depends what your infrastructure is, and the plan for all the systems mid-long term
[04:06] <ScorpFromHell> johnny, the HDs are similar, we have nearly 100 machines but with only 3-4 different types of configs
[04:07] <ScorpFromHell> kgoetz, the systems are old machines used in our org & are now to be donated to various NGOs who would further distribute them to schools
[04:08] <ScorpFromHell> currently trying out an option similar to http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-unattended-ubuntu-network-install using DHCP/TFTP/Preseed files
[04:08] <johnny> that would work nicely
[04:09] <ScorpFromHell> johnny, which one would work nicely? Preseed / disk image?
[04:10]  * kgoetz is is havingn a total braindead on teh subjet of netinstalls
[04:11] <ScorpFromHell> it would be cool if we could have an idiot proof option for netinstalls :(
[04:11] <johnny> isn't it?
[04:12] <johnny> i mean.. there's onlly so low you can go
[04:12] <ScorpFromHell> then we could go all out for world domination :D
[04:12] <johnny> if it's preseeded, there shouldn't really be any options
[04:12] <johnny> just walk around and turn the PCs on
[04:12] <johnny> you can't get much more idiot proof than that
[04:13] <kgoetz> settin up the infrastrcture is (can be) very error prone
[04:13] <ScorpFromHell> oh, that part is idiot proof, johnny
[04:13] <kgoetz> collcting 100mac addresses an getting them into teh dhcp config for a start
[04:13] <ScorpFromHell> am stuck up in getting the infrastructure running, and am having to get it done remotely, like some 1000KM away :(
[04:14] <ScorpFromHell> kgoetz, yeah, agree, infrastructure is _the_ pain
[04:15] <kgoetz> ScorpFromHell: i've done the cd image method, i did lots of readinag about teh netinstall method.
[04:15] <kgoetz> sorry about the spelling, somewhat lagged :(
[04:15] <kgoetz> chose to do cds, beecause it was easier for the people helping me
[04:16] <ScorpFromHell> kgoetz, did u put up a wiki/blog about it? the whole exercise & the experience I mean
[04:17] <kgoetz> ScorpFromHell: no, we didnt :/ i planed to, but other things took over, and i havent thought about it recently. it was for ITShares PNG computer shipment
[04:18] <ScorpFromHell> ah ... the ITShares folks ... `6og shared me their URL yesterday ... we are doing something on those lines ... but all for free ... http://scorpfromhell.blogspot.com
[04:19]  * kgoetz is `6og 
[04:19] <ScorpFromHell> ooops :D
[04:19] <kgoetz> itshare only startd charging after almost goign broke. (and the $20 fee isnt to hard methinks :p)
[04:20] <ScorpFromHell> well ... actually, we are doing it for free as part of our CSR
[04:20] <kgoetz> csr?
[04:20] <ScorpFromHell> I let my wife know of this & she was, we can start something like that here too :)
[04:21] <ScorpFromHell> csr= corporate social responsibility ... "suit" speak for social welfare activities
[04:21] <kgoetz> ah
[04:21] <kgoetz> like santos donating us their gear :)
[04:21] <ScorpFromHell> csr is so that the "suits" all don't rot in hell ;)
[04:21] <kgoetz> hehe
[04:24] <ScorpFromHell> kgoetz, I also came across a thread suggesting using PartImage in the SystemRescueCD which is a LiveCD
[04:26] <kgoetz> not familr with tehm
[04:26] <ScorpFromHell> partimage is something like norton ghost for linux ...
[04:27] <ScorpFromHell> looked it up yesterday ... I have suggested to give a peep, lets see what the guys come up with
[04:27] <ScorpFromHell> also, was wondering if we could include AptOnCD by default in the Server Add-on CD
[04:27] <ScorpFromHell> where should I suggest this? Blueprints on launchpad?
[04:28] <kgoetz> filea  wishlist bug, and do a blueprint saying how you think it would work
[04:29] <ScorpFromHell> tx kgoetz, am coming back to all this irc, bug reporting stuff after almost 7 years! got to become a "suit" in the meantime :(
[04:29] <kgoetz> :/ welcome back, hope we can save you ;)
[04:33] <ScorpFromHell> yeah, I plan to win back my soul as yet :D lol
[04:37] <ScorpFromHell> kgoetz, gotta go to fix my wife's notebook, will be away
[04:38] <ScorpFromHell> btw, what timezone are you in? me GMT+5.5
[04:38] <kgoetz> GMT+9.5
[04:38] <kgoetz> Thu Dec 20 15:08:36 CST 2007
[04:38] <kgoetz> date: unrecognized option `--gmt'
[04:38] <kgoetz> Try `date --help' for more information.
[04:38] <kgoetz> hm.
[04:39] <kgoetz> Thu Dec 20 04:38:59 UTC 2007
[04:39] <kgoetz> yes, 9.5
[04:39] <kgoetz> (utc)
[04:39] <kgoetz> (--utc, not --gmt)
[07:38] <neil_d> any ideas where I could find a user manual for a ga-pcv2 pc-1500 mini-itx motherboard
[08:11] <ScorpFromHell> is there anything that allows you to setup a netboot server that would copy disk images instead of using preseed files to setup systems?
[08:11] <ScorpFromHell> something like what Ghost does for Windows?
[08:12] <johnny> uhmm.. partimage? doesn't it do that?
[08:12] <johnny> plus there was ghost4linux
[08:12] <johnny> but they had to rename it
[08:12] <johnny> i forgot
[08:12] <johnny> but i bet you can still find it
[08:13] <ScorpFromHell> johnny, k let me check that up ... I found PING http://ping.windowsdream.com/ping/howto-2.01.html
[08:21] <RichEd> ScorpFromHell: check this page see if it helps
[08:21] <RichEd> http://schools.coe.ru.ac.za/wiki/Install_and_Replicate_Operating_Systems
[08:22] <RichEd> actually scrap that ... the netboot section isn't helpful
[08:23] <ScorpFromHell> thanks riched, am also following up http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_PXE_network_booting based on johnny's clues
[08:24] <RichEd> there is a help.ubuntu page but it says it does not work for gutsy :(
[08:24] <RichEd> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet
[08:33] <somerville32> RichEd, poke
[08:34] <RichEd> mr somerville32 :)
[08:34] <somerville32> RichEd, and updates? :)
[08:34] <somerville32> *any
 is there anything that allows you to setup a netboot server that would copy disk images instead of using preseed files to setup systems?
[10:29] <`6og> ^^ at LCA in sydney someone did 'ubuntu live' which was effectively that. dont remember who or how though :/
[10:31] <ScorpFromHell> `6og, Well this seems promising: http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_PXE_network_booting
[10:32] <ScorpFromHell> `6og: only that this needs min 280MB RAM in the client m/cs ... so need to create a custom CD as per http://www.sysresccd.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1763
[10:32] <`6og> ScorpFromHell, how much ram do you have?
[10:32] <ScorpFromHell> `6og: the steps to create the custom cd are here: http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_How_to_personalize_SystemRescueCd
[10:32] <ScorpFromHell> `6og, some systems have 256, some have 512
[10:34] <ScorpFromHell> this is a cross between the netinstall & disk image ... effectively providing a netboot using SystemRescueCD distro & using PartImage to create & copy disk-images
[10:34] <`6og> looks likely. is it free software?
[10:45] <ScorpFromHell> `6og, yes ... its all open source
[15:20] <bddebian> heya
[17:42] <rusty> http://tinyurl.com/249rjg
[23:05] <ian__> hi, i've got a disklessworkstation 170 and i can't seem to figure out how to get it to work in ltsp5 (gutsy)
[23:05] <ian__> i have the 170 dvi model