[00:06] <genii> Hi ... does anyone know if Marvell IDE drivers are in Hardy yet?
[00:11]  * genii sips a coffee and supposes no one knows
[00:13] <scizzo-> genii: ahamana hubbidi whati?
[01:29] <scizzo-> bardyr: well installing a nvidia _beta_ driver does not sound like a good idea really
[01:29] <scizzo-> bardyr: even though the kernel itself is beta....
[02:30] <poningru> hey guys I'm seeing a particular crash pattern
[02:30] <poningru> with compiz on
[02:31] <poningru> if I right click on a link in xchat and open link in a browser it crashes
[02:31] <poningru> I think its only if the default browser is ff 3.0
[02:32] <crdlb> hmm
[02:32] <crdlb> have you changed the window placement mode by any chance?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> install debug symbols, get a backtrace?
[02:33] <poningru> crdlb: hmm dont think so
[02:33] <poningru> hold on let me double check
[02:33] <crdlb> it = compiz right?
[02:33] <poningru> its the put window thing right?
[02:34] <crdlb> Place Windows
[02:34] <poningru> crdlb: yeah compiz crashes
[02:34] <poningru> I have to kill x
[02:34] <poningru> the funny thing is mouse can move
[02:34] <poningru> nothing else works
[02:34] <crdlb> the reason I ask is that the Random mode used to have a crasher when a window opened that was larger than the width of the screen
[02:35] <poningru> ok I do have that on
[02:35] <poningru> on smart
[02:35] <poningru> with workarounds checked
[02:36] <poningru> debbugs?
[02:36] <crdlb> you could test if the crash still happens with that plugin disabled entirely
[02:36] <poningru> Hobbsee: debbugs?
[02:36] <poningru> hmm tru hold on
[02:36] <poningru> http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3184
[02:36] <poningru> oh hmm
[02:36] <poningru> yeah that was it
[02:37] <Hobbsee> !debug
[02:37] <ubotu> For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[02:38] <poningru> no that wasnt it ...
[02:38] <poningru> it just an extra sec than normal to die
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Pici: found the problem.
[03:18] <Pici> Hobbsee: Oh?  Was it by any chance firmare?
[03:18] <Pici> s/firmare/firmware
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Pici: it appears i'm getting hit by http://bughost.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1209
[03:19] <ubotu> bughost.org bug 1209 in RF-Kill "LED won't work" [Normal,Assigned]
[03:20] <Hobbsee> apparently 'no led' && 'rf_kill switch set to on in syslog' != no wifi
[03:20] <Pici> So... its working... but you can't actually enable it?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> oh, it's working
[03:20] <Hobbsee> it's just not visual
[03:20] <Hobbsee> nm says i'm using wifi, etc
[03:20] <Pici> Okay. I'll take a look when I reboot.
[03:20] <Hobbsee> my network cable fell out, and i happened to discover this, when i got reconnected
[03:21] <Pici> Very interesting.
[03:21] <Pici> I think I shall reboot now to test...
[03:21] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:29] <Hammy_> Hey
[03:29] <Hammy_> Hello?
[03:29] <compwiz18> !hi
[03:29] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[03:30] <Hammy_> lolz i havnt used Ubuntu for a while since all my work was on my laptop and i really had a lot of work to do
[03:30] <Hammy_> i have V 7.10
[03:31] <compwiz18> 7.10 is in #ubuntu, this is for 8.04 :)
[03:31] <Hammy_> for some reason when i enter the command to get the sources list it wont open...does any1 have any idea what im doing wronge? this is the command i enter [sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list]
[03:31] <compwiz18> works fine for me, Hammy_
[03:32] <Tm_T> Hammy_: read topic
[03:32] <Hammy_> wow i didnt even know 8.04 came out...it doesn't say so on the website lolz...well i guess ill just update it
[03:32] <Hobbsee> it....hasn't come out.
[03:32] <Hammy_> i just realized that lolz
[03:32] <compwiz18> 8.04 comes out in april
[03:32] <Hammy_> 8.04...
[03:33] <Hobbsee> !aolspeak
[03:33] <Hammy_> well...whats wronge with my command?
[03:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aolspeak - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:33] <Tm_T> !lol
[03:33] <ubotu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> Hammy_: no idea, but you're in the wrong room.
[03:33] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: you're welcome
[03:33] <Hobbsee> !aolspeak is <alias> lol
[03:33] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[03:33] <Hobbsee> thanks Tm_T
[03:34] <Tm_T> ;)
[03:34] <Hammy_> okay...cya bye
[03:34] <Hobbsee> wow.  a good candidate to win the clueless and annoying award...
[03:35]  * Hobbsee would suggest a) no vi or b) wrongly spelt, as he's managed to misspell a lot of other things
[03:35] <Tm_T> aye
[03:48] <DanaG> Hmm, has anybody released Firefox 3.0b2 debs somewhere?
[03:49] <Tm_T> :(
[03:50] <Pici> Hobbsee: FYI, it didn't 'just work' for me.  I now have 2 listed wifi adapters.  One as wlan0_rename, that works, and another as eth1 (which was what my wifi was in .22).  http://pastebin.com/f5818a9ec is the output from ifconfig
[03:53] <DanaG> dang, launchpad is down.
[03:54] <DanaG> That interface naming thing is probably a matter of editing cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[03:55] <Hobbsee> Pici: yeah, i have wlan0_rename
[03:58] <nenolod> greetings
[03:59] <nenolod> is it just me, or is the compiz in hardy more crashprone than the one in gutsy?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> nenolod: it's from git, so...
[03:59] <Hobbsee> nenolod: which video card?
[03:59] <nenolod> Hobbsee, nVidia GeForce 8600GTS
[03:59] <crdlb> there seems to be a problem with the animation plugin that causes lockups for some people
[04:00] <Hobbsee> apparently animations does it
[04:00] <crdlb> I haven't had it
[04:00] <nenolod> well it locks up when i switch windows; and i have to shell in and killall -9 compiz.real
[04:00] <crdlb> switching windows indeed invokes animation
[04:00] <nenolod> then it falls back to icky metacity which isn't great :P
[04:00] <Pici> Better than completely taking everything with it
[04:01]  * nenolod is only using compiz because it manages his windows better than metacity
[04:01] <crdlb> it will eventually be possible to run compiz without the bling ;)
[04:01] <nenolod> well i like the compositing manager part of compiz :P
[04:01] <Pici> Although I personally like the eyecandy, it is a nice window manager.
[04:02] <Pici> I did say that correctly, didn't I?
[04:02] <crdlb> the goal is to do the possible (be everything to everybody) :P
[04:02] <crdlb> oops
[04:02] <crdlb> impossible*
[04:02] <crdlb> way to completely change the meaning...
[04:22] <posingaspopular> hey all, does anyone know what kernel fiesty is running?
[04:23] <posingaspopular> hardy*
[04:23] <DarkMageZ> posingaspopular, 2.6.22 or 2.6.24 depending on when you last updated.
[04:24] <posingaspopular> okay. as long as it 2.6+ i  know how to run it in a VM
[04:24] <posingaspopular> thanks DarkMageZ
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'LongPointyStick': Linux 2.6.24-2-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: GenuineIntel(R)CPUT2250@1.73GHz at 1733 MHz (3458 bogomips), HD: 34/71GB, RAM: 1409/2018MB, 141 proc's, 2.45h up
[04:31] <Hobbsee> ^ that
[04:31] <Hobbsee> darn, i missed
[04:47] <DarkMageZ> Hobbsee, only kde 3.5.8?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: i'm running konvi on gnome.
[04:49] <DarkMageZ> i was expecting you to be running kde 4 :p
[04:52]  * DarkMageZ loads amarok 2
[05:00] <Hobbsee> it's still being uplaoded every few days
[05:01]  * DanaG can't install the 'kde4' metapackage.
[05:02] <DanaG> It depends on kdeedu 4.something.
[05:38] <bardyr> !info nvidia-glx-new
[05:38] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.19+2.6.22.5-14.1 (hardy), package size 4896 kB, installed size 14848 kB
[05:44] <DrUnKnMuNkY> hey anyone around? my apt is totally broken. i have the output for sudo apt-get install -yf at http://pastebin.ca/824837
[05:46] <crimsun> DrUnKnMuNkY: that looks like a disk or FS issue; have you tried simply --reinstall'ing?
[05:47] <DrUnKnMuNkY> crimsun: not sure what you mean by that. reinstall the whole os?
[05:47] <crimsun> DrUnKnMuNkY: no, apt-get --reinstall install foo, or aptitude reinstall foo, ...
[05:47] <DrUnKnMuNkY> i'll give it a try
[05:53] <DrUnKnMuNkY> crimsun: can't seem to get anything to work using that. i get this when i try sudo aptitude reinstall: E: I wasn't able to locate file for the x11-common package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
[05:54] <crimsun> sudo dpkg -i /path/to/x11-common...deb
[05:56] <DrUnKnMuNkY> crimsun: i got a whole long list of errors like in the pastebin log followed by: E: I wasn't able to locate file for the x11-common package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
[05:56] <DrUnKnMuNkY> sorry wrong paste 1 sec
[05:56] <DrUnKnMuNkY> this is the error at the end of that command:
[05:56] <DrUnKnMuNkY> Preparing to replace x11-common 1:7.3+7ubuntu3 (using .../x11-common_1%3a7.3+8ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[05:56] <DrUnKnMuNkY> Unpacking replacement x11-common ...
[05:57] <DrUnKnMuNkY> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.3+8ubuntu1_i386.deb (--install):
[05:57] <DrUnKnMuNkY>  unable to create updated files list file for package x11-common: No such file or directory
[05:57] <DrUnKnMuNkY> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:57] <DrUnKnMuNkY>  /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.3+8ubuntu1_i386.deb
[05:58] <crimsun> there are parameters you can pass to dpkg to forcibly perform emergency maintenance operations
[06:00] <stdin> make sure /var/lib/dpkg/info/ exists, it sounds like it's not finding it
[06:00] <DrUnKnMuNkY> stdin: it doesn't seem to. just create the folder?
[06:01] <stdin> yeah, give it a go
[06:01] <crimsun> that really smells of a hardware or FS issue
[06:03] <DrUnKnMuNkY> it seems to be going now. trying an apt-get upgrade and it seems to be going through with no trouble now
[06:04] <DrUnKnMuNkY> some weird stuff in general started happening when i tried booting with the 2.6.24-1 kernel. nothing worked properly so i went back to the 2.6.22-14 kernel but strange stuff like this and wireless problems popped up
[06:04] <stdin> I'd fsck the partitions for a start, directories don't just disappear for no reason
[06:05] <DrUnKnMuNkY> alright i'll do that tonight. thanks for the help
[06:24] <Tretle> anything benificially different between hardy and gutsy yet?
[06:25] <Tm_T> more crashes!
[06:25]  * Tm_T hides
[06:25] <compwiz18> um... it dies faster?
[06:25] <DrUnKnMuNkY> apt/various packages have broken on me pretty much daily
[06:25] <DrUnKnMuNkY> wireless died yesterday
[06:26] <DanaG> I allllllways make sure to read changelogs before installing updates.
[06:26] <Tretle> hmmmmmm..... nothing interesting yet then
[06:27] <Tretle> telepathy as default?
[06:27] <DrUnKnMuNkY> hardy's more of a stability release... not as many new features as gutsy
[06:27] <DanaG> Naah, I'd rather have telekinesis.
[06:27] <Tretle> #lol
[06:28] <Tretle> hmmmm... what about the theme?
[06:28] <DrUnKnMuNkY> no idea.. mine's completely changed from the default
[06:31]  * DanaG hasn't had apport offer any bug reports in over 6 months, despite having had plenty of crashes over that period.
[07:07] <DanaG> Heh, one would think a site about avant-window-navigator would work properly in Firefox.
[07:07] <DanaG> http://awn.wetpaint.com/page/Thunderbird+extension
[07:07] <DanaG> But nope.
[07:12] <LimCore> ubuntu is fucking annoying
[07:12] <LimCore> yet there is an easy way to fix it, how about it?
[07:12] <stdin> !language | LimCore
[07:12] <ubotu> LimCore: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[07:13] <LimCore> (disable PC speaker making %^&*( sounds from UI and from bash)
[07:23] <DanaG> blacklist pcspkr.
[07:23] <DanaG> That's how you disable that beep.
[08:10] <david__> hello
[08:10] <david__> any one have web server
[08:11] <david__> can help me
[08:11] <Richie> ask the question, if someone knows they'll reply
[08:11] <david__> i do apache when i do http://localhst is working
[08:12] <david__> i do port 80 on the linux server
[08:12] <david__> know what i need to do
[08:12] <david__> my domin name is
[08:12] <david__> davidtanti.com
[08:13] <Richie> wel that depends, you can install php and mysql or you can just leave it as it is and put your webfiles in ya web root folder
[08:14] <david__> yes but why when i do www.davidtanti.com is not go to web page
[08:14] <david__> when i do www.davidtanti.com i go to my cisco router
[08:14] <Richie>  its gone to the webpage for me
[08:14] <david__> you test from your site
[08:14] <Richie> Apache/2.2.4 (Ubuntu) Server at davidtanti.com Port 80
[08:14] <david__> yes right
[08:15] <Richie> domain works fine for me
[08:15] <david__> if you go to browser what do you have
[08:15] <Richie> Index of /
[08:15] <Richie> [ICO]	Name	Last modified	Size	Description
[08:15] <Richie> [DIR]	apache2-default/	20-Nov-2004 21:16 	-
[08:15] <Richie> Apache/2.2.4 (Ubuntu) Server at davidtanti.com Port 80
[08:15] <david__> i see
[08:15] <david__> why i cant see from my site riche
[08:15] <david__> if i go to my web browsere i cant see it
[08:16] <david__> it ask me to lock to my cisco router
[08:24] <Richie> im not sure if it might be because your on the network of the router
[08:24] <Richie> im not sure how cisco routers work
[08:24] <Richie> but perhaps accessing port 80 locally points to the router?
[08:31] <pwnguin> how do i figure out why a package won't upgrade?
[08:38] <Richie> not sure if its the right way but...
[08:38] <Richie> i do sudo apt-get install <package name>
[08:38] <Richie> and it will tell you wht
[08:45] <pwnguin>   nvidia-glx-new: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 1:0.99.0-1) but it is not going to be installed
[08:46] <pwnguin> im pretty sure i have a version newer than that
[08:47] <Richie> yeh you probably do...it is the same for me...but its happened for many packages...not sure why it does but it will let you update sooner or later
[08:47] <pwnguin> i guess its being worked on
[08:47] <pwnguin> bug 177609
[08:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177609 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "nvidia-glx won't upgrade" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177609
[08:49] <Richie> im not updating my kernel until thats sorted out either way
[08:50] <pwnguin> meh
[08:51] <pwnguin> it works
[08:51] <pwnguin> just isnt the latest
[08:51] <pwnguin> 10170 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2033.807 FPS
[08:51] <pwnguin> Linux jldugger-laptop 2.6.24-2-generic #1 SMP Fri Dec 14 00:02:38 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:00] <david__> mmm
[09:00] <david__> my problem is that when i do www.davidtanti.com is go to my router ask me for user name and password of router
[09:49] <ActySofts> hello
[09:49] <ActySofts> is there any chance of getting OSSv4 in hardy?
[09:50] <ActySofts> maybe as a question by the installer, whether to install OSS or ALSA (for advanced users)
[09:53] <ActySofts> well? is anybody alive here?
[09:57] <pvandewyngaerde> no
[09:57] <Richie> im dead too
[09:57] <ActySofts> I see
[09:57] <ActySofts> :P
[10:30] <david__> hello frends i am var www i need to delate a folder but i cant have the permasion what can i do
[10:30] <david__> i need to remove the apache logo to put my
[10:34] <david__>  any one can help
[10:35] <Richie> you could type sudo nautilus to give the file browser root powers
[10:35] <Richie> or type chown <username> /var/www to make you there owner
[11:22] <theunixgeek> Personally, this is my favorite theme design: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Ubuntu_new
[11:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi there, I have the following in /etc/apt/preferences:  http://pastebin.com/m5c669 , but no matter whatever change I do, when I do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade apt wants to upgrade my whole system
[11:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I just want to keep the hardy source to install the new kernel and test it when I am asked to from bug reports
[11:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok I did that :)
[11:53] <stone-unix> is  it the day for alpha 2?
[15:43] <bardyr> happy alpha2 release day :)
[15:43] <bardyr> !info nvidia-glx-new
[15:43] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.19+2.6.22.5-14.1 (hardy), package size 4896 kB, installed size 14848 kB
[16:16] <bardyr> any ETA on the alpha 2 images?
[17:16] <chowmeined> alpha 2 released yet?
[19:48] <atoponce> hardy is not an lts release?
[19:49] <atoponce> or is this just kubuntu?
[19:53] <nalioth> atoponce: ?
[19:53] <atoponce> nalioth: -ops
[19:54] <Pici> So, kubuntu 8.04 will not be LTS.  Discuss.
[19:54] <atoponce> where does that put those who are running 6.06?
[19:55] <atoponce> will they be out of support until the next lts?
[19:55] <Pici> "Users currently running Kubuntu 6.06 will be able to upgrade through
[19:55] <Pici> the usual path to Kubuntu 8.04, keeping to the KDE 3.5 release series,
[19:55] <Pici> and will receive the usual 18 months of support for that
[19:55] <Pici> release."
[19:55] <crdlb> well you'll at least get the next year
[19:55] <Pici> !paste > Pici
[19:55] <atoponce> ahh. yeah. that makes sense. so they'll get 18 months.
[19:55] <atoponce> that should be enough then to get them to the lts
[19:56] <Pici> Well.. That is if 8.10 is LTS.
[19:56] <Pici> or 9.04
[19:56] <tonyyarusso> Pici: Presumably though if they run LTS, they don't WANT 18 month releases...
[19:56] <Pici> tonyyarusso: I agree 100%
[19:56] <crdlb> I really doubt kubuntu 8.10 would be
[19:57] <Pici> I hope Kubuntu won't move out of sync permanently with regards to LTS releases
[19:57] <atoponce> i thought canonical backed the kubuntu project. is this not the case?
[19:57] <tonyyarusso> Wouldn't it have made more sense to leave KDE4 stuff in universe or whatever, make it an LTS, and then have KDE4 the only option but more solid and default for Hardy+1, like we normally do such things?
[19:58] <atoponce> or is the decision to not make kubuntu 8.04 lts based on kde 4
[19:58] <tonyyarusso> atoponce: perhaps - it also looked at one time like they were going to be on track to more officially get behind Xubuntu, but now are backing away from that
[19:58] <Pici> atoponce: Looks like its kde4 thats pushing them to not make it LTS.
[19:59] <atoponce> don't know if i like that decision
[19:59] <tonyyarusso> If users have the option of 3.5 or 4, in some separated fashion, shouldn't 3.5 users still be considered an LTS?
[19:59]  * tonyyarusso is a Gnome user, but this is weird
[19:59] <Pici> Although... What exactly differentiates an Ubuntu 8.04 system with kubuntu-desktop installed with a Kubuntu 8.04 system?  (besides one also having gnome)?
[19:59] <atoponce> Pici: well, that's my question
[20:00] <tonyyarusso> I'm sure it would make things like phone support a lot harder for those who have contracts, but things like security updates should be the same.
[20:00] <atoponce> if i install ubuntu-desktop for 8.04, i get the lts, but what happens when i install kubuntu-desktop for 8.04?
[20:00] <atoponce> on the same system, that is?
[20:00] <somerville32> woogles.
[20:01] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: Seems your "inherently makes" assumption is wrong this time
[20:01] <tonyyarusso> atoponce: "that voids your warranty - you shouldn't have removed the sticker"
[20:01] <atoponce> heh
[20:02] <atoponce> seriously though. are they going to just support certain packages?
[20:02] <atoponce> this is all too confusing
[20:02] <nixternal> yo
[20:02] <atoponce> yo
[20:02] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, Although Canonical might not be investing efforts to maintain Kubuntu as an LTS, they archive will still be "open" for ubuntu.
[20:02] <nixternal> Kubuntu 8.04 will not be LTS, Ubuntu 8.04 will be
[20:03] <enyc> nixternal: interesting
[20:03] <atoponce> nixternal: right. so what happens if i install ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop on the same machine?
[20:03] <Pici> nixternal: What about Ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop installed? Or whatever the 8.04 metapackage will be called?
[20:03] <atoponce> do i have lts or not?
[20:03] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: we're trying to figure out how that doesn't just drop Kubuntu users on their face
[20:03] <somerville32> Pici, Canonical doesn't support all packages in main
[20:03] <atoponce> so many questions. :)
[20:03]  * Pici picks up jaw from floor
[20:04] <nixternal> I don't do the support stuff, so that is up to Canonical to decide what they will do in those instances
[20:04] <tonyyarusso> Why are you non-LTS even if you install the 3.5 option?
[20:04] <nixternal> remember that LTS is ONLY SECURITY FIXES!
[20:04] <atoponce> right
[20:04] <atoponce> that's all it is after freeze
[20:04] <atoponce> lts or not, no?
[20:04] <tonyyarusso> and SRU stuff for other major bugs
[20:04] <nixternal> if a security issue arises with KDE 3.5, you can be safe in assuming it will get fixed
[20:05] <nixternal> but for crash bugs and what not, that is a different story
[20:05] <somerville32> Kubuntu might not get the LTS label but it'll still be possible to treat it as a LTS because Kubuntu shares the same repository as Ubuntu
[20:05] <Pici> I echo somerville32 but add a ? at the end
[20:06] <atoponce> i'm not a kde user, but i can't help but think most would rather wait on kde4 for 8.10 and get lts in 8.04. maybe not though.
[20:06] <somerville32> If they're still uploading to the hardy archives, they're not going to say "Oh sorry, we're not going to let you upload that security fix because that package has the letter K in it" :P
[20:07] <somerville32> So, who is saying Kubuntu isn't an LTS? The Kubuntu CC or Canonical?
[20:07] <nixternal> atoponce: if Kubuntu did that, then we would be light years behind the rest of the KDE distributions
[20:07]  * Pici tries to put all the worms back in the can
[20:08] <Yorokobi> nixternal, what about putting KDE4 into a seperate repository for 8.04 (ie, hardy-backports)
[20:08] <atoponce> nixternal: true. so would it be possible to push lts to 8.10 then?
[20:08] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: meanwhile, what's up with your blog?
[20:08] <Pici> I think we killed it
[20:08] <nixternal> Yorokobi: even then, with the limited amount of Kubuntu developers, we would still be light years behind
[20:08] <hydrogen> euhm
[20:08] <hydrogen> I sure hope that kde4 isn't default for 8.04
[20:08]  * hydrogen just came in
[20:08] <somerville32> nixternal, So, who is saying Kubuntu isn't an LTS? The Kubuntu CC or Canonical?
[20:08] <nixternal> I am sure that Canonical did some testing and communicated with their partners, clients, and customers before reaching such a decision
[20:08] <nixternal> the decision was made by them, not Kubuntu
[20:09] <nixternal> Canonical/Technical Board supposedly made the decision
[20:09] <atoponce> nixternal: who has kde4 now? is it even released?
[20:09] <nixternal> 22 days
[20:09] <nixternal> everyone
[20:10] <atoponce> only the rolling distro though, like gentoo or foresight. fedora will be behind, as will the other frozen distros
[20:10] <atoponce> so technically, kubuntu wouldn't be that far behind
[20:10] <atoponce> it just wouldn't be first
[20:10] <somerville32> nixternal, Does the Kubuntu CC want it to be an LTS?
[20:11] <nixternal> somerville32: we just got the news today, we haven't even had the chance to decypher everything
[20:11] <nixternal> we would consider the 3.5 release as an LTS
[20:11] <nixternal> but we wouldn't be able to push to both unless we had the support that Ubuntu has
[20:11] <somerville32> nixternal, Because really, The Kubuntu CC could declare it LTS themselves if they were willing to take up the responsibilities involved.
[20:12] <nixternal> the funny thing is this, when we said we weren't going to do it, people complained, now that we say we are doing it, people complain
[20:12] <Pici> I dont know if they have the ability to do that
[20:12] <nixternal> thank you Pici
[20:12] <Yorokobi> nixternal, yeah, but different people are complaining now :)
[20:13] <Pici> Heck, we dont even use KDE.
[20:13] <nixternal> that's life
[20:13]  * Yorokobi left the Live-on-the-bleeding-edge camp some time ago
[20:13] <atoponce> i'm not complaining, just curious about all the arguments
[20:13] <nixternal> Kubuntu has been the "Live-on-the-bleeding-edge" distro for quite some time now, nothing new, except that the possibility of no 3 year support
[20:14] <nixternal> but let me ask you, who is still using Kubuntu Dapper right now?
[20:14] <Yorokobi> Me
[20:14] <nixternal> why?
[20:14] <nixternal> why not use Edgy? Feisty? Gutsy?
[20:15] <tonyyarusso> I'm more vastly confused than complaining.
[20:15] <Yorokobi> Gutsy caused the HDDs to park heads all the time, Feisty and Edgy don't have problems. I would answer "Why not?" Dapper works for me.
[20:16] <atoponce> tonyyarusso: it's simple. run gnome, and you needent worry. :)
[20:16]  * atoponce adornes his flame retardant suit
[20:16] <tonyyarusso> atoponce: That's what I do, actually.  Still though.
[20:16] <atoponce> :)
[20:22]  * nalioth runs enlightenment-cvs-dr17
[21:02] <anonymous3420> Apparently alpha 2 was supposed to be released today
[21:02] <anonymous3420> i cant find it
[21:02] <Centaur5> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha2
[21:05] <askand> Will hardy have firefox 3 as default?
[21:20] <kaur> Is there already a working download link for alpha 2 somewhere?
[21:21] <pps> nothing on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[21:33] <askand> Will hardy have catalyst 7.11?
[21:35] <theunixgeek> When's alpha 2 coming? :(
[21:36] <theunixgeek> It should've been out today! :(
[21:36] <askand> theunixgeek:  maybe it is delayed :)
[21:36] <theunixgeek> askand: it is!?
[21:36] <theunixgeek> nooo!!!!!
[21:37] <askand> theunixgeek: I have no idea...has been before might be again
[21:37] <theunixgeek> drat
[22:13] <conn> hi, has anyone noticed that gtk/gnome apps have become quite sluggish lately, especially noticeable when opening menu items? It's present on intel and nvidia graphics, so it doesn't seem to be a driver issue