[00:47] <crimsun> kwwii: / somerville32: Is rev12 (ubuntu-wallpapers) proposed for Alpha 2?
[00:48] <somerville32> crimsun, Before the page loads, I'll default to saying yes
[00:48] <crimsun> that's:
[00:48] <crimsun> timestamp: Wed 2007-12-19 15:29:20 -0800
[00:48] <crimsun> message: * Set elephant-skin (now a png) to the default wallpaper
[00:48] <somerville32> Right
[00:52] <crimsun> somerville32: ok, running the checks
[00:58] <somerville32> crimsun, ack
[01:03] <crimsun>   ubuntu-wallpapers_0.19_source.changes: done.
[01:03] <crimsun> Successfully uploaded packages.
[01:03] <crimsun> thanks!
[01:17] <crimsun> somerville32: it's likely queued during the LP downtime
[01:18] <somerville32> crimsun, launchpad isn't down atm
[01:24] <crimsun> somerville32: all right.  I've uploaded the source package but haven't received an ACK yet.  If it hasn't come through in a few hours, ping me on IRC, and I'll try to respond ASAP.
[02:04] <mgunes> hi all
[02:06] <mgunes> kwwii, what's the status of art.ubuntu.com, and what functionality of the wiki pages will it replace, if any?
[02:07]  * mgunes is trying to answer some questions on the forums
[07:03] <somerville32> kwwii, ping
[10:43] <lapo> hi
 troy_s: what has tonic done with the usplash that others have not?
[11:47] <troy_s> kwwii: Much.
[11:47] <troy_s> kwwii: He has animated elements, added a full blown bit of compositing code (see the Fluxbuntu usplash for an example) and played around with all sorts of different approaches.
[12:06] <kwwii> troy_s: wow, killer
[12:06] <kwwii> good morning all
[12:06] <troy_s> kwwii: morn
[12:06] <kwwii> man, looking at the mailing list it seems I have a lot to catch up on
[12:06] <kwwii> I really dig those brown mocks from Ken
[12:06] <troy_s> kwwii: He basically has done much with the usplash api and escaped the uber-shi*ty "hey let's do a progress bar" crap.
[12:07] <troy_s> kwwii: You are in a rather lonely minority according to digg responses from some of the more mainstream folks.
[12:07] <kwwii> yeah, the first thing I want to kill is the progress bar
[12:07] <kwwii> hehe
[12:07] <troy_s> http://digg.com/linux_unix/New_Ubuntu_Hardy_Theme_Mockup
[12:08] <troy_s> specifically with regards to the theme, its pretty heavy handed and rather monochromatic (yet again / still / etc.)
[12:08] <kwwii> right, but it does get an idea across (of using a bit of color in the windows themselves)
[12:08] <troy_s> oh and rather vista cloned.  the windeco is rather repulsively vista.
[12:09] <kwwii> it does go a bit far
[12:09] <troy_s> same hue though.
[12:09] <troy_s> orange/brown/dark brown is that same nasty 'we can't figure out colour theory' trap.
[12:09] <kwwii> a lot of those comments on dig are the normal "brown is shit"
[12:09] <troy_s> and well... in monotony i probably agree with that sentiment.
[12:09] <kwwii> which comes from the use of brown alone (and way too much of it)
[12:09] <troy_s> yes.
[12:10] <troy_s> and the fact that brown gets 'brown here there and everywhere'
[12:10] <kwwii> right
[12:10] <troy_s> there is nothing wrong with bloody well contrasting the elements with a different interface tone
[12:10] <troy_s> (although granted, I still think the dark tones on windows etc are probably wayyyy too heavy for mainstreamers)
[12:11] <kwwii> definitely
[12:11] <kwwii> my idea was to use a bit of brown/orange at the top of the window in some kind of trans. gradient or such
[12:12] <troy_s> kwwii: The saddest thing is that brown is heavy trendy again and Ubuntu still can't figure out even the most simple of colour pairings for it.
[12:12] <troy_s> kwwii: I just saw the newer adidas stuff for women's bags, and the centerpiece was a brown bag with yellow/white/and rouge flowers
[12:13] <kwwii> yeah, I really need to get the palettes ready so that people can actually understand what I mean
[12:13] <troy_s> the new burton line also uses brown base
[12:13] <troy_s> as well as the new quicksilver line
[12:13] <troy_s> all pretty hot markets.
[12:14] <kwwii> well, when I was talking to mark and I told him that we use too much brown, and no other colors he disagreed with me
[12:14] <kwwii> actually he got quite angry
[12:14] <troy_s> well he is an idiot on that
[12:14] <troy_s> i told you about that discussion
[12:14] <troy_s> he is simply in the dark
[12:14] <troy_s> brilliant guy
[12:14] <kwwii> but in the end I made it clear that we will use another color
[12:14] <troy_s> idiot in terms of art and design.
[12:14] <troy_s> well you can try
[12:14] <troy_s> he'll trump your ass.
[12:14] <kwwii> I had to show him a bunch of pics from other ads and such to explain the idea of using another color
[12:15] <kwwii> in the end I think he got it
[12:15] <troy_s> its pretty simple
[12:15] <troy_s> if you use one other colour, try the compliment
[12:15] <troy_s> two, try the triplet
[12:15] <troy_s> etc
[12:15] <kwwii> it is simple for use to understand but he simply did not get it on his own
[12:15] <troy_s> bloody artskool 101 crap that shouldn't even need to be spoken about.
[12:15] <kwwii> no doubt
[12:16] <kwwii> I will have a basic palette done sometime today or tomorrow
[12:16] <kwwii> I'll send it to you and we can discuss it before I show the world
[12:18] <kwwii> my biggest problem at the moment is that I forgot about all the holiday I had left over
[12:18] <kwwii> :p
[12:18] <kwwii> so now I have to take it and still have so much to do, canonical wants things done and my wife thinks that holiday should be holiday (and I can help around the house, etc.)
[12:27] <troy_s> ok i'm off for shower and bed
[12:27] <troy_s> this feature is going to probably be the end of me
[12:27] <troy_s> long hellish days.
[12:29] <troy_s> i have just finished speaking with andrew menzies (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0579980/) and he is willing to do an interview style q/a if there is interest.  I'll post when I figure out how I am going to do it.
[12:29] <troy_s> Hopefully it will bring some _real_ designer experience into the fold and show some folks how it is done out in the real world outside of bloody closed mentality land.
[12:31] <troy_s> kwwii: http://enthree.com/files/random/web2logos/
[12:31] <troy_s> If anyone needs to know why gloss and wet floors are ass, that link will show you why.
[12:34] <kwwii> troy_s: lol, very nice
[12:34] <kwwii> gloss is dead, in my eyes
[12:35] <kwwii> and my guess is that the only place that a reflection will come in play is in the music-player-cover-view-thingy (although that is already quite overdone)
[12:36] <andreasn> hi!
[12:37] <kwwii> hi andreasn
[12:42] <troy_s> kwwii: The only _problem_ with killing the hideous trend of gloss (which someone one the list erroneously accredited with Apple's direction (very clearly not paying attention to Apple's current trend)) is that it leaves a vacuum.
[12:43] <troy_s> kwwii: It leaves a void of style once again, which is something that has yet to be addressed.
[12:44] <kwwii> yepp, agreed
[12:44] <troy_s> kwwii: Without a style, Ubuntu is no better off than in the mire of rubbish that it is currently locked.  I fear adding that style flair is too much politically.  I hope I am wrong on that, but at Ubuntu's current pace and hideous decisions behind art direction and such it is on pace to be the more vilified successor to Microsoft products.
[12:45] <kwwii> and the good thing is that now we have until hardy+1 to think though things
[12:45] <kwwii> hehe
[12:45] <troy_s> We need look no further than the hideous photography that Shuttleworth insists on putting in the corner of the website and the nasty CD covers.
[12:45] <troy_s> anyways, sleep time.
[12:45]  * troy_s outs.
[12:45] <kwwii> all of the photos are changing, btw
[12:45] <kwwii> see you
[12:46] <andreasn> I think the photos are nice
[12:49] <kwwii> andreasn: yeah, but they are a bit old and over-used in the meantime
[12:49] <kwwii> we are going to be getting new ones soon
[12:49] <kwwii> and probably not pics of people this time
[12:49] <andreasn> all right
[12:50] <kwwii> time for lunch, bbiab
[12:50] <andreasn> I just didn't think hideous was the correct adjective to use :)
[12:57] <zniavre> hello / bonjour
[12:57] <zniavre> there is a way to remove small line between menu and tool bar please?
[12:57] <zniavre> http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9231/screenshot5sa2.png
[17:44] <somerville32> kwwii, ping
[20:29] <kwwii> somerville32: pong
[20:39] <somerville32> kwwii, all done
[21:01] <kwwii> somerville32: killer, thanks a lot
[21:01] <somerville32> np
[22:45] <rencore_> hello