| theunixgeek | When's the next meeting? | 00:53 |
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| somerville32 | @schedule | 00:54 |
| ubotu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 20 Dec 14:00: Desktop Team Development | 21 Dec 12:00: MOTU meeting | 02 Jan 12:00: Edubuntu meeting | 09 Jan 20:00: Edubuntu meeting | 10 Jan 14:00: Desktop Team Development | 16 Jan 12:00: Edubuntu meeting | 00:54 |
| theunixgeek | what's the current UTC time? | 00:54 |
| The-Kernel | 23:58 | 00:56 |
| The-Kernel | I think | 00:56 |
| The-Kernel | not sure | 00:56 |
| somerville32 | Pretty sure it is 00:58 | 00:57 |
| pochu | @now | 01:00 |
| ubotu | Current time in Etc/UTC: December 20 2007, 01:00:31 - Next meeting: Desktop Team Development in 12 hours 59 minutes | 01:00 |
| theunixgeek | thanks | 01:03 |
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| === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Desktop Team Development Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 21 Dec 12:00 UTC: MOTU meeting | 02 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 09 Jan 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 10 Jan 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development | 16 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | ||
| Keybuk | tedg: morning | 13:56 |
| tedg | Keybuk: good afternoon. | 13:57 |
| Keybuk | mvo_, Riddell: ping | 14:00 |
| Riddell | hi Keybuk | 14:00 |
| pitti | hi | 14:02 |
| pitti | argh, sorry | 14:02 |
| Keybuk | ok, let's get going | 14:03 |
| Keybuk | mvo's client is here, but no life there yet | 14:03 |
| MacSlow | :) | 14:03 |
| Keybuk | did I miss any agenda items? | 14:04 |
| Keybuk | I didn't see any | 14:04 |
| pitti | I read the reports so far, didn't see any either | 14:04 |
| MacSlow | same here | 14:05 |
| Keybuk | does anyone have anything they want to discuss? :) | 14:05 |
| Keybuk | no? | 14:05 |
| pitti | we still have some merges left | 14:05 |
| MacSlow | nope | 14:06 |
| Keybuk | pitti: there's always some left ;) | 14:06 |
| pitti | but they are all pretty platformish | 14:06 |
| Keybuk | Debian won't stop changing things | 14:06 |
| seb128 | hey | 14:07 |
| Keybuk | in that case, let me just wish you all a happy holidays | 14:07 |
| pitti | hey seb128 | 14:07 |
| MacSlow | hi seb128 | 14:07 |
| Keybuk | there's a button on your computer you may not have used before | 14:07 |
| seb128 | oh, was a short meeting apparently? ;-) | 14:07 |
| Keybuk | it's marked "OFF" or maybe "Power" | 14:07 |
| pitti | seb128: do you know whether the remaining 20 merges have an assignee, or are they fair game? | 14:07 |
| seb128 | pitti: let me look to the list | 14:07 |
| Keybuk | pitti: we're after freeze now, so they need RM approval, no? | 14:07 |
| pitti | Keybuk: no, why that? | 14:08 |
| pitti | we can continue merging and introduce new versions until FF | 14:08 |
| tedg | Oh, from people commenting on "exit-strategy" I know that no one uses that button, they expect them all to be in menus ;) | 14:08 |
| seb128 | pitti: not sure about all of those, libgnomemm2.6 has been synced, libbtctl has a sync request open I think, python-distutils-extra should not be listed | 14:08 |
| Keybuk | Just a brief note to remind you all that the DebianImportFreeze[1] for Hardy | 14:08 |
| Keybuk | is two days away[2]. This is the deadline for initial merges of packages | 14:08 |
| Keybuk | for Hardy; after Thursday, December 13, merging packages is a freeze | 14:08 |
| Keybuk | exception, so please have your remaining merges for hardy finished before | 14:08 |
| Keybuk | this point. | 14:08 |
| seb128 | not sure about the other ones | 14:08 |
| pitti | hm, that's not our usual definition of DIF | 14:08 |
| pitti | 'deadline for initial merges' is correct, of course | 14:09 |
| pitti | but DIF is just about stopping the autosyncs | 14:09 |
| Keybuk | it may be that steve is trying something different | 14:09 |
| seb128 | tedg: hi, will you do the gnome-power-manager 2.21.1 update? | 14:09 |
| pitti | Keybuk: hm, we better ask him about that then; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebianImportFreeze should be updated if there are policy changes | 14:10 |
| tedg | seb128: Yes. I was going to do 2.20.2 also, or no point? | 14:10 |
| seb128 | pitti: when is UVF now? at the same time as UVF or DIF? | 14:10 |
| seb128 | tedg: no point, we can have only 1 version in hardy | 14:10 |
| seb128 | tedg: and we don't do GNOME 2.20.2 updates to gutsy | 14:10 |
| pitti | seb128: UVF doesn't exist any more; it's just FF now | 14:11 |
| tedg | seb128: Okay. | 14:11 |
| pitti | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/ReleaseProcess#head-e10e11c208ca4b6fda2649cd18e983ba6dac635d | 14:11 |
| seb128 | pitti: right, I would not have asked otherwise :-P Ok, my question was "can we still upload new version", and you replied, thanks ;-) | 14:11 |
| tedg | There's an odd battery problem that bdmurray and others are reporting. Apparently HAL is reporting on more batteries now, I think they might be BIOS batteries. | 14:11 |
| seb128 | pitti: this page is confusing because nothing mention "no new version" | 14:12 |
| pitti | seb128: deliberately | 14:12 |
| seb128 | pitti: which means there is no point we stop updates or need an approval? | 14:12 |
| pitti | seb128: in fact new upstream versions are ok until release freeze as long as they just fix bugs | 14:12 |
| pitti | seb128: well, it is ok according to the currently documented policy | 14:13 |
| pitti | if Steve wants to change that, we should talk to him about announcing it and changing the docs | 14:13 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:13 |
| seb128 | I'm fine with that | 14:13 |
| seb128 | less work for me -;) | 14:13 |
| Keybuk | tedg: it also reports on batteries of things like mice and phones | 14:13 |
| Keybuk | when I connect to my phone with gnome-phone-manager, gnome-power-manager tells me what it's battery state is | 14:14 |
| Keybuk | (arguably these should be different icons, but meh -> Ubuntu 10.04) | 14:14 |
| tedg | Yeah, but it's a little odd that gutsy wouldn't have it and hardy would. | 14:15 |
| Keybuk | gutsy did that too, no? | 14:16 |
| Keybuk | anyway, let's officially adjourn the meeting and carry on conversations if we want ;) | 14:16 |
| tedg | Gutsy did it, but the bug report is that people had one battery in gutsy and two in hardy. | 14:16 |
| * mvo_ coughs | 14:17 | |
| pitti | tedg: since our hal didn't change significantly, this might be due to the new kernel now reporting those batteries in /sys, too? | 14:17 |
| tedg | pitti: Good to know, they're not in /proc under ACPI. So I'm thinking they're hiding somewhere else. | 14:18 |
| pitti | oh, or /proc; not sure | 14:18 |
| tedg | I think it's funny, I don't know why people are complaining about us adding batteries for them ;) | 14:19 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: I checked with Steve about that DIF mail | 14:20 |
| cjwatson | he misspoke | 14:20 |
| cjwatson | he didn't intend to change the existing practice; read it as "merging packages that have not been merged yet is a freeze exception" | 14:20 |
| cjwatson | pitti,seb128: ^-- | 14:20 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: ah, thanks for the clarification | 14:21 |
| * mvo_ appologizes for not responding at the start of the meeting, he was reshuffling his harddisks in the upgrade test machine for better cooling | 14:21 | |
| cjwatson | "Yes, sorry for failing to convey this nuance. I'm not meaning to propose | 14:21 |
| cjwatson | any changes to this policy. | 14:21 |
| pitti | cjwatson: so merging one the first time is an exception, and a further merge isn't? | 14:21 |
| Keybuk | tedg: the extra battery status is a new feature, no? :) | 14:21 |
| cjwatson | " | 14:21 |
| cjwatson | pitti: as before | 14:21 |
| cjwatson | pitti: otherwise "all initial merges must be completed by DIF" would have no force :) | 14:21 |
| pitti | it just doesn't seem to be encouraging to finish them off | 14:22 |
| pitti | but good to know, I wasn't aware of that interpretation | 14:22 |
| cjwatson | they should have been finished before the deadline; if they aren't done, then we need to consider whether it's worthwhile to bother | 14:22 |
| cjwatson | -> freeze exception | 14:22 |
| pitti | ok | 14:22 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: turning off the computer during holidays would interfere with playing nethack | 14:23 |
| Keybuk | playing nethack would interfere with your marriage ;) | 14:23 |
| cjwatson | :-) | 14:24 |
| cjwatson | (mind you, hasn't done that much yet) | 14:24 |
| mhb | hello, it is a bit silent now, could I please ask a question? I have heard about a decision on Kubuntu not being a LTS. Who did make such a decision and are we going to read any official information about this? Sorry if I am bothering. | 14:27 |
| MacSlow | mhb, really? If that's true, I did miss that. | 14:30 |
| MacSlow | mhb, Riddell should know I think | 14:31 |
| mhb | MacSlow: he suggested me to ask here. He does not have much information either, it seems. | 14:31 |
| MacSlow | *shrugg* | 14:31 |
| MacSlow | mhb, that question seemed to have "killed" the meeting :) | 14:35 |
| * mvo_ has no idea about this | 14:35 | |
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| seb128 | I know there was some discussions about KDE4 | 14:36 |
| seb128 | it'll not be lts quality | 14:36 |
| seb128 | but I don't know if they decided anything there | 14:36 |
| mvo | I will try to make sure that dapper->hardy upgrades (with text/gtk frontend) will work for kubuntu | 14:37 |
| mvo | but I guess that is not really related :) | 14:37 |
| mhb | seb128: we have not planned to ship KDE4 as default. | 14:38 |
| mhb | mvo: it is not really related, but definitely appreciated! | 14:39 |
| pitti | Keybuk: do you know something about the LTSishness decision? | 14:41 |
| Keybuk | I know lots of things | 14:41 |
| Keybuk | which thing that I know would you like to know? | 14:42 |
| Keybuk | :-) | 14:42 |
| Keybuk | ah, Kubuntu LTS | 14:42 |
| Keybuk | Riddell: have you announced anything there yet? | 14:42 |
| Riddell | I have not | 14:43 |
| Keybuk | ok; when are you planning on sending something out? | 14:43 |
| * Hobbsee thinks people have already found out | 14:44 | |
| Riddell | Keybuk: I have no plans | 14:45 |
| Keybuk | Riddell: since people are asking, soon might be a good time :-) | 14:45 |
| Riddell | Keybuk: I don't really have anything to say | 14:46 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: it's therefore the kubuntu council's decision on where to go from here, w.r.t kubuntu hardy, then? | 14:47 |
| * Hobbsee would ahve thought that was worth saying | 14:47 | |
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| theunixgeek | @now | 21:35 |
| ubotu | Current time in Etc/UTC: December 20 2007, 21:35:18 - Next meeting: MOTU meeting in 14 hours 24 minutes | 21:35 |
| theunixgeek | Why is every meeting in a bad time for me :( | 21:35 |
| theunixgeek | lol just kidding | 21:35 |
| somerville32 | lol | 21:38 |
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