[00:53] When's the next meeting? [00:54] @schedule [00:54] Schedule for Etc/UTC: 20 Dec 14:00: Desktop Team Development | 21 Dec 12:00: MOTU meeting | 02 Jan 12:00: Edubuntu meeting | 09 Jan 20:00: Edubuntu meeting | 10 Jan 14:00: Desktop Team Development | 16 Jan 12:00: Edubuntu meeting [00:54] what's the current UTC time? [00:56] 23:58 [00:56] I think [00:56] not sure [00:57] Pretty sure it is 00:58 [01:00] @now [01:00] Current time in Etc/UTC: December 20 2007, 01:00:31 - Next meeting: Desktop Team Development in 12 hours 59 minutes [01:03] thanks === bigon is now known as bigon` === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson === freeflying_ is now known as freeflying === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee === asac__ is now known as asac === asac_ is now known as asac === j_ack_ is now known as j_ack === Varka_ is now known as Varka [09:28] moin === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === bigon` is now known as bigon === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Desktop Team Development Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 21 Dec 12:00 UTC: MOTU meeting | 02 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 09 Jan 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 10 Jan 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development | 16 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting [13:56] tedg: morning [13:57] Keybuk: good afternoon. [14:00] mvo_, Riddell: ping [14:00] hi Keybuk [14:02] hi [14:02] argh, sorry [14:03] ok, let's get going [14:03] mvo's client is here, but no life there yet [14:03] :) [14:04] did I miss any agenda items? [14:04] I didn't see any [14:04] I read the reports so far, didn't see any either [14:05] same here [14:05] does anyone have anything they want to discuss? :) [14:05] no? [14:05] we still have some merges left [14:06] nope [14:06] pitti: there's always some left ;) [14:06] but they are all pretty platformish [14:06] Debian won't stop changing things [14:07] hey [14:07] in that case, let me just wish you all a happy holidays [14:07] hey seb128 [14:07] hi seb128 [14:07] there's a button on your computer you may not have used before [14:07] oh, was a short meeting apparently? ;-) [14:07] it's marked "OFF" or maybe "Power" [14:07] seb128: do you know whether the remaining 20 merges have an assignee, or are they fair game? [14:07] pitti: let me look to the list [14:07] pitti: we're after freeze now, so they need RM approval, no? [14:08] Keybuk: no, why that? [14:08] we can continue merging and introduce new versions until FF [14:08] Oh, from people commenting on "exit-strategy" I know that no one uses that button, they expect them all to be in menus ;) [14:08] pitti: not sure about all of those, libgnomemm2.6 has been synced, libbtctl has a sync request open I think, python-distutils-extra should not be listed [14:08] Just a brief note to remind you all that the DebianImportFreeze[1] for Hardy [14:08] is two days away[2]. This is the deadline for initial merges of packages [14:08] for Hardy; after Thursday, December 13, merging packages is a freeze [14:08] exception, so please have your remaining merges for hardy finished before [14:08] this point. [14:08] not sure about the other ones [14:08] hm, that's not our usual definition of DIF [14:09] 'deadline for initial merges' is correct, of course [14:09] but DIF is just about stopping the autosyncs [14:09] it may be that steve is trying something different [14:09] tedg: hi, will you do the gnome-power-manager 2.21.1 update? [14:10] Keybuk: hm, we better ask him about that then; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebianImportFreeze should be updated if there are policy changes [14:10] seb128: Yes. I was going to do 2.20.2 also, or no point? [14:10] pitti: when is UVF now? at the same time as UVF or DIF? [14:10] tedg: no point, we can have only 1 version in hardy [14:10] tedg: and we don't do GNOME 2.20.2 updates to gutsy [14:11] seb128: UVF doesn't exist any more; it's just FF now [14:11] seb128: Okay. [14:11] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/ReleaseProcess#head-e10e11c208ca4b6fda2649cd18e983ba6dac635d [14:11] pitti: right, I would not have asked otherwise :-P Ok, my question was "can we still upload new version", and you replied, thanks ;-) [14:11] There's an odd battery problem that bdmurray and others are reporting. Apparently HAL is reporting on more batteries now, I think they might be BIOS batteries. [14:12] pitti: this page is confusing because nothing mention "no new version" [14:12] seb128: deliberately [14:12] pitti: which means there is no point we stop updates or need an approval? [14:12] seb128: in fact new upstream versions are ok until release freeze as long as they just fix bugs [14:13] seb128: well, it is ok according to the currently documented policy [14:13] if Steve wants to change that, we should talk to him about announcing it and changing the docs [14:13] ok [14:13] I'm fine with that [14:13] less work for me -;) [14:13] tedg: it also reports on batteries of things like mice and phones [14:14] when I connect to my phone with gnome-phone-manager, gnome-power-manager tells me what it's battery state is [14:14] (arguably these should be different icons, but meh -> Ubuntu 10.04) [14:15] Yeah, but it's a little odd that gutsy wouldn't have it and hardy would. [14:16] gutsy did that too, no? [14:16] anyway, let's officially adjourn the meeting and carry on conversations if we want ;) [14:16] Gutsy did it, but the bug report is that people had one battery in gutsy and two in hardy. [14:17] * mvo_ coughs [14:17] tedg: since our hal didn't change significantly, this might be due to the new kernel now reporting those batteries in /sys, too? [14:18] pitti: Good to know, they're not in /proc under ACPI. So I'm thinking they're hiding somewhere else. [14:18] oh, or /proc; not sure [14:19] I think it's funny, I don't know why people are complaining about us adding batteries for them ;) [14:20] Keybuk: I checked with Steve about that DIF mail [14:20] he misspoke [14:20] he didn't intend to change the existing practice; read it as "merging packages that have not been merged yet is a freeze exception" [14:20] pitti,seb128: ^-- [14:21] cjwatson: ah, thanks for the clarification [14:21] * mvo_ appologizes for not responding at the start of the meeting, he was reshuffling his harddisks in the upgrade test machine for better cooling [14:21] "Yes, sorry for failing to convey this nuance. I'm not meaning to propose [14:21] any changes to this policy. [14:21] cjwatson: so merging one the first time is an exception, and a further merge isn't? [14:21] tedg: the extra battery status is a new feature, no? :) [14:21] " [14:21] pitti: as before [14:21] pitti: otherwise "all initial merges must be completed by DIF" would have no force :) [14:22] it just doesn't seem to be encouraging to finish them off [14:22] but good to know, I wasn't aware of that interpretation [14:22] they should have been finished before the deadline; if they aren't done, then we need to consider whether it's worthwhile to bother [14:22] -> freeze exception [14:22] ok [14:23] Keybuk: turning off the computer during holidays would interfere with playing nethack [14:23] playing nethack would interfere with your marriage ;) [14:24] :-) [14:24] (mind you, hasn't done that much yet) [14:27] hello, it is a bit silent now, could I please ask a question? I have heard about a decision on Kubuntu not being a LTS. Who did make such a decision and are we going to read any official information about this? Sorry if I am bothering. [14:30] mhb, really? If that's true, I did miss that. [14:31] mhb, Riddell should know I think [14:31] MacSlow: he suggested me to ask here. He does not have much information either, it seems. [14:31] *shrugg* [14:35] mhb, that question seemed to have "killed" the meeting :) [14:35] * mvo_ has no idea about this === mvo_ is now known as mvo [14:36] I know there was some discussions about KDE4 [14:36] it'll not be lts quality [14:36] but I don't know if they decided anything there [14:37] I will try to make sure that dapper->hardy upgrades (with text/gtk frontend) will work for kubuntu [14:37] but I guess that is not really related :) [14:38] seb128: we have not planned to ship KDE4 as default. [14:39] mvo: it is not really related, but definitely appreciated! [14:41] Keybuk: do you know something about the LTSishness decision? [14:41] I know lots of things [14:42] which thing that I know would you like to know? [14:42] :-) [14:42] ah, Kubuntu LTS [14:42] Riddell: have you announced anything there yet? [14:43] I have not [14:43] ok; when are you planning on sending something out? [14:44] * Hobbsee thinks people have already found out [14:45] Keybuk: I have no plans [14:45] Riddell: since people are asking, soon might be a good time :-) [14:46] Keybuk: I don't really have anything to say [14:47] Riddell: it's therefore the kubuntu council's decision on where to go from here, w.r.t kubuntu hardy, then? [14:47] * Hobbsee would ahve thought that was worth saying === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 21 Dec 12:00 UTC: MOTU meeting | 02 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 09 Jan 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 10 Jan 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development | 16 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === txwikinger3 is now known as txwikinger === txwikinger3 is now known as txwikinger [21:35] @now [21:35] Current time in Etc/UTC: December 20 2007, 21:35:18 - Next meeting: MOTU meeting in 14 hours 24 minutes [21:35] Why is every meeting in a bad time for me :( [21:35] lol just kidding [21:38] lol === asac_ is now known as asac