[00:02] mneptok: I know it's not your department, but do you have any inkling when Canonical plans to start actually paying attention to LoCos again, particularly with regard to web hosting? [00:10] tonyyarusso: you should ask Jono [00:11] mneptok: I did. He said he'd "look into it", a few weeks ago. [00:11] Hopefully that means things might happen, but I'm getting a tad frustrating, as Canada has been working on getting a web site since January. [00:11] tonyyarusso: MagicFab tells me a LoCo Council is in the offing [00:12] mneptok: That'd be nice. [00:12] tonyyarusso: where is ubuntu.ca now? [00:13] mneptok: It's on Canonical servers now - but we can't edit it. (Post content yes, edit the actual site no. Note the broken links, which I keep having to field e-mails from users about.) [00:14] Shoot, I'm going to be late for choir. /me runs out [00:18] Does anyone remember seeing this ip in the ban list for #ubuntu 91.140.206.245 ? [00:19] ardchoille: nope, never been there [00:19] gah bantracker barfed [00:19] PriceChild: was probably me :) [00:19] LjL: ok, thanks [00:19] LjL, does it have huge problems with multiple users then? [00:19] * PriceChild never bothered to nose into the reason [00:20] PriceChild: the bantracker? [00:20] PriceChild, sqlite doesn't really handle concurrency. as i understand it, it waits 5 seconds to complete a query, and if it's not completed after that time, it barfs [00:20] Probably due to using sqlite instead of a real database, pgsql/mysql [00:20] Pici, never seen the bantracker? [00:20] If people have 1 gig of ram are we telling them to not setup swap partitions.. I know they will most likely not be used... [00:20] hehe [00:20] Jack_Sparrow: we're not [00:20] PriceChild: I mean are you re ferring to the bantracker. [00:20] Jack_Sparrow, we're not suggesting that [00:21] Jack_Sparrow: a swap partition *is* important to have. [00:21] And, I use it every day. [00:21] Pici, yes :) [00:21] wols has suggested it repeatedly [00:21] Jack_Sparrow: 1) no swap partition (or a swap partition smaller than the RAM) doesn't let hibernation work [00:21] including the person he is helping right now.. [00:21] Not that hibernation is working anyway... but thats not the point. [00:21] agreed.. but he has jumped me a couple of times over the issue [00:22] Jack_Sparrow: 2) even if you have enough RAM to fit all your applications, the kernel may rightfully decide that it prefers to cache a huge amount of files into RAM *and swap some programs out*. that's desired behavior. [00:22] I always suggest it... just pointing it out that some others are not [00:22] Jack_Sparrow: I have a machine with 8 GB of ram and it uses swap well [00:22] read back with eagle and wols... [00:23] what is wols on about [00:23] there is no need for iftab use udev [00:23] Jack_Sparrow: my scrollback is short... but i see him talking about *swapfiles* over swap partitions [00:23] udev won't create /dev device nodes [00:24] si? [00:24] wols_, we were chatting about the merits (or lack of) of having swap [00:25] wols_: i think as a rule, it shouldn't be recommended to deactivate swap, even if one has a quite big amount of RAM [00:25] [15:56] Eagleray: Wont he need to make a swap partiton too. [15:57] Jack_Sparrow: only if he's lacking in ram [00:25] 1) no swap partition (or a swap partition smaller than the RAM) doesn't let hibernation work 2) even if you have enough RAM to fit all your applications, the kernel may rightfully decide that it prefers to cache a huge amount of files into RAM *and swap some programs out*. that's desired behavior [00:25] I run fine without on this 256MB box. will soon need it if/when wine works as intended (some autoit program which gives me grief) [00:26] yes, but with 1GB depending what you do (video stuff?) you don't really need swap [00:26] I disagree [00:26] * mneptok does, too [00:26] wols_, but then people complain that hibernation doesn't work, and you're left wondering why, until you realize they don't have swap because they've been recommended to disable it [00:27] I have 1gb of ram, not doing any media creation and routinely I see swap being used. [00:27] also, ikonia noted earlier: I have a machine with 8 GB of ram and it uses swap well [00:27] it certainly does depend on what you do [00:27] kswap is your friend :) [00:27] deactivating swap is a definite no-no. if it was unnecessary, the distro team wouldn't auto-create a partition at install time. [00:27] but even on a "normal desktop system" (if such a thing exists), you can end up doing things, like, say, copying a large amount of files, which the kernel may judge will be helped by swapping out some processes [00:28] LjL: I agree. mine is a headless server. no hibernation. [00:28] thats good memory managment [00:28] hibernation is a valid point on a notebook especially [00:28] My only prupose for bringing it up is to provide consistent information and support [00:28] LjL: what do you do in those 8GB? [00:29] thats my machine [00:29] wols_: it's not about what users do. it's about what the kernel wants to do. [00:29] and it will swap out stuff that's not being used [00:29] even when it's not doing anything [00:29] Jack_Sparrow: essentially it's an extreme version of "how much swap should I use" with the infamous 1.5x your ram rule which is stupid in the age fo 2GB machines [00:29] wols_: yup, i see it may be a perfectly valid setup for you... i'm just talking about what should and shouldn't be recommended to users in #ubuntu - if they feel comfortable with deactivating swap, it's their prerogative, but they shouldn't be given the impression it's generally a good thing. if they know it works for them, then they'll do it without asking [00:29] ikonia: my (debian sid) desktop has swap. never seen it used [00:30] !WFM | wols_ [00:30] wols_: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/ [00:30] wols_: that you should ask ikonia, it was his comment. but... 8GB is less than the size of any hard drive of today, so i think it's perfectly possible that the kernel may decide to fill up the RAM with cache [00:30] I am happy to go with whatever is the official response.... [00:30] depends how your machine is setup [00:30] LjL: as I said, swapfiles are (imho) fine [00:30] everything has it's place [00:30] swapfiles for average joe/mass majority desktop users arn't a great call [00:30] but they're harder to setup of course [00:30] ikonia: took the words right out of my mouth... or is it fingers? [00:31] chooses not to progress that discussion [00:31] ;) [00:31] wols_, swapfiles may do i suppose, i've never really investigated them. i'd merely prefer it weren't recommended to attempt things like deactivating swap or, for that matter, using a swapfile, since i don't think it's officially "supported". if someone explicitly asks "how do i use a swap file instead of a partition", i suppose that's fine to answer them [00:32] LjL: supported by whom? the kernel once upon a time )2.2 or so) a bias against them but to the best of my knowledge not anymore [00:32] Sorry guys.. didn't mean to poke the bear.. again... [00:33] wols_: supported by Ubuntu itself, i.e. recommended by the kernel team for instance [00:33] wols_: that was due to a limit with the gnu tools, not actually the kernel [00:33] ikonia: which tools? [00:33] off the top of my head, no idea [00:33] 2.0 was a long time ago [00:33] Jack_Sparrow: discussions like that are what makes it interesting [00:33] guys.. my head is killing me.. I need to take some meds and go lay down.. cya tomorrow.... [00:34] answer "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" or "show me your xorg.log all day gets booooring [00:34] wols.. take care.. and thanks [00:34] :) [00:34] goodnight [00:34] wols_: i think i can understand that :) [00:34] good night Jack_Sparrow [00:34] the default Ubuntu install creates a swap partition, not a swap file, and certainly no swap at all. users should not be encouraged to stray too far from default behaviors. [00:35] mneptok: you're right. for ubuntu a swappart by the installer is the best and only way [00:35] it's mass majority over more advanced users [00:35] if your advanced to know the benifits of no swap over the draw backs, you won't be asking about it [00:35] to an extent anyway [00:35] ikonia: users who are advanced enough to do it, know how to do it ;) [00:36] exactly [00:36] more advanced users don't ask questions about basic partitioning schemas in Freenode's #ubuntu. trust me. ;) [00:36] ..............how do you do it ;) [00:36] although... i have no idea how to use a swap file. but i suppose google would help - or if i made it *very* clear in #ubuntu that i'm not confused, and that i *really* want a swap file, and know the advantages&drawbacks... [00:37] LjL: then you don't get "please give me the exact commands to type" [00:37] i'd actually pull that convo to a PM or another channel at that point [00:37] otherwise it's like talking about wolves at a deer convention [00:37] the danger is that someone reads it [00:37] perhaps. #ubuntu-classroom what the common choice at one point, but a desire has been expressed to keep it a bit more clean [00:37] and then thinks "he said it's better, I want it! I don't know why, but I want it!" [00:38] ikonia: that's usually when i say "homosexual sex is *awesome*" [00:38] >:) [00:38] * ikonia craves [00:38] I don't know why [00:38] but I want it ! [00:38] omg. it's like he *knew* [00:38] [00:38] and HI GARY! [00:39] mneptok, that was a double violet highlight you know [00:39] mneptok: Gary's ears where pricked up [00:39] wow [00:39] hey [00:39] knew what [00:39] LjL: is "Situation: Double Violet" the new code term for "mnep just became active" ? [00:39] it's like the shop keeper from Mr Ben, say "homosexual sex" 3 times and appears ;) [00:39] oi [00:40] mneptok: no, just pretty convincing evidence [00:40] floodlet for Gazzypantaloons: [00:40] Gary: I think "Mr Ben" is wasted on our USA friends [00:40] 19:34 < ikonia> and then thinks "he said it's better, I want it! I don't know why, but I want it!" [00:40] 19:34 <+mneptok> ikonia: that's usually when i say "homosexual sex is *awesome*" [00:40] 19:34 <+mneptok> >:) [00:40] 19:34 * ikonia craves [00:40] 19:34 < ikonia> I don't know why [00:40] 19:34 < ikonia> but I want it ! [00:40] 19:34 -!- Gary [n=Gary@colchester-lug/pdpc.supporter.active.Gary] has joined #Ubuntu-Ops [00:40] I said Gary's key word [00:40] "I want it" [00:40] !pony [00:40] Sorry, I don't know anything about pony - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [00:41] bleah [00:41] mneptok: how is your nick pronounced [00:41] "sir" [00:41] haha [00:41] ikonia, w e i r d o [00:41] it's not, in most circumstances [00:42] it's a typed one, rather than spoken one [00:42] I can honestly say, that I pronounce it completely wrong in my head. [00:42] it always sounds like "menp tock" on my head [00:42] I know that's not how it's said [00:42] click click click click click click click click [00:42] ikonia: me too [00:43] Pici: I feel less silly now [00:43] But like I said, I knwow thats wrong. [00:43] agreed [00:43] if I ever talk and mention him, I say that weird geezer who works for canonical [00:43] then say, no, not mark, the other one :p [00:43] * Gary hides [00:44] the one with empty pockets [00:44] ha ha ha [00:44] those pockets cannot be empty, as he is always playing with something in them... [00:45] right, I'm going back to playing with perl 5.10 [00:45] probably a good thing [00:45] as the conents of mneptok's pockets and his own busines [00:45] And I'm going to go back to hacking on Python 2.6! :D [00:51] so how big should the swap be for a 1GB RAM machine. fast suggestions needed :) [00:51] is 1GB exact enough for hibernation? [00:51] 1GB should be good for swap [00:52] wols_: i'd make it at least a bit in excess of 1GB, just to be sure, but yes [00:52] there's certainly no need to follow any weird "2x RAM" or "2.5x RAM" rules [00:52] was thinking of 1.2. or is 1.1 enough? [00:52] 1.1 should be fine [00:53] wols_: only, careful with GB vs GiB [00:53] I read it should be 1x RAM [00:53] somerville32: for hibernation to work, yes. but making it a little more than that won't hurt surely [00:54] * somerville32 nods. [00:54] now how much is a GB and how much is a GiB... /me gets calculator [00:55] yes, 1.1 "GB" should be OK even with decimal [00:56] 1GiB is 1073741824 bytes, so 1100000000 bytes will fit it [01:18] soundray called the ops in #ubuntu (fabio abusive) [02:43] If someone sees gouki, can you let me know that some of the channels on stats don't seem to be getting rebuilt? [02:43] Oh, he is online === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee [03:25] QMario: hi? [03:37] deuryte: hi how are you? [03:37] :( [03:38] What's the issue with deuryte ? [03:38] ardchoille: nickspam, trolling [03:38] Ah [03:38] 0438.08 < Tm_T> 0419.06 -!- deuryte_ is now known as allah [03:38] 0438.14 < Tm_T> 0428.04 -!- allah is now known as one_true_God [03:39] How silly [03:39] just for small example [03:40] Tm_T: Can you teach me how to ban+forward? I know how to ban. kick and +q [03:40] ardchoille: just !#channel to the end of banmask [03:41] Tm_T: Ah, thank you [04:00] Hello Tm_T. [04:11] ... [04:11] oh, not ID === tonyyaru1so is now known as tonyyarusso [04:12] tonyyarulso? [04:12] Interesting place to stick a 1 [04:12] Pici: Got confused about why I'd lost a channel access. [04:12] Ah.. [04:13] * tonyyarusso blames comcast [04:24] QMario: may I ask your being here? [04:31] Tm_T, I automatically log in here. [04:31] Tm_T, I am not in trouble or anything. [04:32] QMario: you know this is not casual chat room? [04:32] Tm_T, I know. [04:32] as in, if you don't need to be here, don't be here ;) [04:33] Then I would never have met you, Tm_T. Okay, goodbye. Thank you for the chat. [04:33] heh [04:33] and welcome to ubuntu community [04:33] I thought he was an op somewhere... [04:34] apparently not [04:34] who knows [04:34] Hmm... someone is #ubuntu is asking a question regarding a situation about the CoC... [04:34] Pici: ? [04:35] oh... /me reads -offtopic [04:35] :) [04:37] who are they talking about Pici ? [04:37] Hobbsee: if you're joining -offtopic because of my above comment, I asked the user to join here. [04:37] ahh [04:37] tonyyarusso: kharytan (spelling?) [04:37] yeah, and general sanity [04:37] ah [04:37] urgh. [04:37] him again? [04:37] 23:34:44 bazhang: well...it's a lot more complicated than that...apparently the person that's helping me start a loco has turned out to have a huge reputation as a troll [04:37] * Hobbsee wonders how he even got in -offtopic then [04:38] Its a different person, this guy/gal just has a CoC question/issue. [04:38] heya kitofhawaii [04:38] Hobbsee: hey there :) [04:39] kitofhawaii: what's up? [04:39] Pici: yah apparently everyone else knows about him...i'm kind of surprised and confused about the best thing to do about our team [04:39] should i just be frank about it? [04:39] based on the emails that i've had with him, do your team without him :) [04:40] kitofhawaii: unsure if you know this, but the person in question doesn't believe in authorities, and if they don't side with him, they're biased, and incredibly rude. [04:40] well he's pretty much cybersquatted much of the team...but part of the problem is more personal because he's moving here, and he's going to be living less than half a mile away [04:40] kitofhawaii: if he can't work as part of the team, and you guys know that, then cut him out for the good of the team. [04:41] and i'd suggest not handing out your address :) [04:41] Hobbsee: i've gathered that quite a bit...quite a few times i've been accused that he feels i am taking over the team...but i mean, i was under the impression we were going to work together [04:41] kitofhawaii: bad idea. don't do it [04:41] Hobbsee: oh he doesn't know beyond that i live down in the same town :) [04:41] kitofhawaii: I'm not exactly sure how to say this.. but the comments that he has made in here regarding his situation leads me to believe that he is very paranoid. [04:42] kitofhawaii: his impression of "working together" means "workign together, as long as you agree with him on all issues" [04:42] and i'm sad to have found this out, with recent emails [04:42] pici: i have gathered that...i mean i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. he is really excited about this and i think he would be valuable if we were able to mentor him here [04:43] Hobbsee: yah, i know. i mean this process just started so i mean i didn't have any idea. most of the reason i was working with him on it was because he went and registered the irc team so he's owner currently [04:43] nalioth (was going to avoid a ping, but oh well), was probing him the other day about his involvement in the hawaii loco team. I think he was kind of concerned that someone not living there was one of the co-leaders. Or he could have just been curious. [04:44] now it's like wow i mean if he's this odd towards me...there's been some odd things said (frankly very nasty) but i have an iron backbone. other team members probably won't [04:44] kitofhawaii: it wouldn't be hard to get hte irc council to hijack it to you [04:45] Aargh, why are chocolate truffles so addicting.. [04:45] kitofhawaii: i would expect the irc council to make a judgement on what's good for the hawaii team, and so hijack the channel, and give ownership to you [04:45] Pici: yah, he's fully aware what nalioth is in there for. today i made the decision i'm not going to talk to him about team activities outside of the irc channel, since he, as you said, is so paranoid about ops [04:46] Hobbsee: I thought that 'we' were leaving irc stuff to the loco teams. [04:46] er, loco team managment. Or I may be missing something. [04:46] Pici: unless there's a very good reason not to, yes. [04:46] Pici: however, the name *does* fall in our namespace, so it is hijackable. [04:46] Hobbsee: Right, I see how this could be an extenuating circumstance. [04:46] kitofhawaii: are you the alternate team contact for the hawaii team? [04:46] Hobbsee: if that's what is best for the team, i'd consider it. but that's why i'm coming to you guys to ask about it :) i want to do what's right [04:47] well, it's a bit hard, as the council isn't here right now, but.. [04:47] * tonyyarusso added UbuntuIrcCouncil to his team's access list to remove any doubt [04:47] From what I remember from the other day, theres a single gmail address as the contact which you both share? [04:47] Hobbsee: i believe so, kahrytan cybersquatted that and out of the interest of being polite i didn't complain...but i'm pretty sure it's been changed since then yes [04:47] tonyyarusso: access list != team ownership [04:47] kitofhawaii: *nod* [04:47] Pici: there is, yes, i finally have access to that account :) [04:47] Hobbsee: Yeah, I know. Helps for most normal things though, in the same sense as freenode/staff/* [04:48] Pici: but he didn't use that to list the team [04:48] speaking of addresses.../me pops to #launchpad [04:48] * Hobbsee pokes elkbuntu [04:49] Pici: honestly i don't know 100% what he's done so far. he went on a mass registering/etc trip to pretty much get ownership of everything. at the time i just viewed it as someone being very helpful, but as of late i'm not so sure [04:49] if it were me, i'd just get as much stuff transfered over to !him as possible, asap [04:49] plirpp [04:49] which sovles a mass leadership debate later [04:49] <3 [04:49] moin [04:49] Hobbsee, back, just walked in actually [04:49] reading backlog [04:50] Myrtti: plorrp [04:50] kitofhawaii: I'm not sure what his intentions are either... [04:50] /me hugs everyone [04:50] Hobbsee: to !him? :) to kahrytan? [04:51] to him? or from him? [04:51] /me hugs Myrtti [04:51] well, considering he is a troll and has proven he doesnt understand the CoC... something can be done, however since this goes beyond IRC, it needs more than just our mediation [04:51] kitofhawaii: to not kahrytan [04:51] kitofhawaii: didn't you ever do electronics? :) [04:52] Hobbsee: I thought it was some weird factoid reference. [04:52] elkbuntu: no point shoving it to the CC, though [04:52] Hobbsee: oh...yes yes sorry i missed the reference =)) [04:52] elkbuntu: I honestly didn't know where else to send kitofhawaii.. [04:52] Pici: nah. boolean electronics [04:52] Hobbsee: i guess i'm just used to seeing !topic in regards to ubotu [04:52] Hobbsee, no, i know. i'm referring to the impending LoCo council which is still not established [04:52] elkbuntu: ah right [04:52] Ah, okay. [04:52] elkbuntu: no point sending it there either, though [04:52] Hobbsee, which leaves us with Lord Bacon [04:52] elkbuntu: well, okay, i guess there could be [04:53] elkbuntu: he won't trust lord bacon either. [04:53] which would probably incite him to get the LoCo Council finished off [04:53] elkbuntu: still, for a hijack, kah...tan doesn't actually *need* to be happy with the end result, as he won't get the stuff back. [04:53] Oh, the day Jono gets a title will be the end of England... [04:53] * Hobbsee can never spell that nick [04:53] Me either. [04:54] Hobbsee, he's not going to trust the CC either, so we're at a no-win situation if you take that as a reason to not bother [04:54] * tonyyarusso wouldn't mind having a hot coal under some people to get a LoCo Council up and running [04:54] elkbuntu: was thinking of it from his POV only there [04:54] 'he' = ktan? [04:54] wasn't exactly saying "he won't accept any of it. therefore, do nothing" [04:55] i'm more saying [04:55] * Pici is confused. [04:55] Hobbsee, then dont bother with what he will or will not accept [04:55] "any of the reasonable bodies can do it, as he won't trust any of them regardless" [04:55] i'll follow whatever you guys recommend in this situation. maybe transferring everything to a third party of some sorts? i really have no concern about my personal ownership of anything, just incredibly concerned about his [04:55] Pici: yes [04:55] I was lost in a sea of pronouns. [04:56] kitofhawaii, as are we, hence the monitoring nal's been doing [04:57] elkbuntu: yah i'm really appreciative of all that has come out from this. :) regardless of him, the concern that's been shown has been really nice [04:58] kitofhawaii, he's a poisonous person, that's for sure [04:58] we just dont want him to make the loco into a troll recruiting ground [04:59] Or turn people away from Ubuntu for bad experiences in your loco team [04:59] Sorry, Potentially bad experiences. [05:00] i agree fully with you both. i haven't recruited anyone to join up even though there's interest because of this situation [05:00] i'm really concerned about bringing people in and there being a flame-out in the channel [05:01] or his opinion about ops and whatnot being so negative telling other members what he thinks of you guys :) it's just not productive [05:03] i just wish he could keep his personal opinions about things to himself, but i discovered that he can flame up and just say some really nasty things when the wrong button is pushed [05:06] yep [05:13] all of his actions re the hawaiin ubuntu team on LP and here are suspect after his behavioral history [05:17] he has not shown any desire to help Ubuntu before he went and registered the hawaii parts of Ubuntu irc and launchpad.... [05:17] yes, i have learned that. at least at minimum i made a decision today to stop talking to him in pm regarding team affairs or in general and only communicate in the channel, since it gave him an avenue to say things that just didn't seem right. [05:19] yeah. i didn't have a history with him so i didn't know what was going on. i just assumed he was doing his best to help and i still feel that's probably correct in his own way. [05:20] Hobbsee: what are those mails you did refer to? [05:20] kitofhawaii: have you seen the logs of this channel? [05:20] Tm_T: i mailed him about his conduct, etc [05:20] so like registering the channel and launchpad, it seemed like he was being ambitious (probably true) and i liked that about him. :) but his ambition isn't what concerns me so much as the part about having that power will do [05:21] Hobbsee: possibility to see his answers? [05:22] Does Planet Ubuntu's config.ini have a way to specify the base URL of the site separately from the feed URL? For instance, I want the feed of http://tonyyarusso.com/taxonomy/term/73/0/feed, but for my name to link to http://tonyyarusso.com/, not http://tonyyarusso.com/taxonomy/term/73/0 [05:23] you may ask uncle google "kahrytan site:http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/" and get a eyefull, kitofhawaii [05:23] nalioth: i have not. i did want to give him the benefit of the doubt that he wouldn't repeat whatever past history was there [05:24] check out the logs, kitofhawaii [05:24] nalioth: ok :) *checking now* [05:24] people who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it and all that good stuff [05:25] nalioth: :) that is true. but if he was able to get over what he found out about my personal life and still work with me, i thought there was hope :) [05:27] nalioth: "clean slate" and whatnot. but that is still no justification for not looking you are right :) [05:43] stdin: YAY! [05:43] * Tm_T hides [05:43] :) [05:44] nalioth: i guess uncle google's not helping me much tonight. :) [05:49] http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF8&q=kahrytan+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Firclogs.ubuntu.com%2F kitofhawaii check out the logs from #ubuntu-ops [05:54] nalioth: i have checked them twice. but the only thing i saw was in one log about how he was a known troll re riotkittie, and him apologizing for being upset in here one time. after that, i don't see anything that would've brought this much attention on him. certainly indications something happened, but not what happened if that makes sense [05:54] it is unfortunate that most of his feelings have been made known in PM or other channels [05:55] all of the irc council has logs from him with this persecution complex evident [05:56] that is true. i saw in forums he tried to ask about reporting irc ops [06:03] so what you recommend i do with this now? it's really evident to me that you all are universally against him co-running/co-leading the loco and i agree with that. what should i do now? [06:05] whatever _you_ do, is gonna put you on his 'bad list' [06:05] even if you do nothing [06:08] lol that's a mighty big pickle yes :) [06:09] i don't have a problem being on his bad side. i have forced my opinion in certain cases with him, and i have managed worse in real life at work. [06:09] aye [06:09] kitofhawaii: problem is, if he is "leader", everyone is in his backside, and will suffer [06:09] so i am willing to do whatever is necessary to see to the success of this team [06:09] when he is not in any leadership-kind of state, his backside cant hurt [06:10] backside/bad side [06:10] yah :) [06:10] there will be damage, now its only matter of how much and for who [06:11] it's now become a question so much of what to do but be able to abide by the CoC because i want to make things are done correct from the community's perspective [06:11] and to be honest i have found the situation mildly humorous for many reasons :) so i'm not under a lot of stress about it, because i know it'll work out one path or another [06:12] i do have a thick skin :) and people like this, i do feel sorry for, and i definitely don't take it personally. [06:14] after all, i do represent so many things he is against. that he has worked with me at all has been impressive [06:15] freenode staff had a helper back in the day that was one of the best users to be inducted into the staff [06:16] the best most hard working staffer until he used his access to dump the network :( [06:16] o.o [06:16] nalioth: whatta... [06:19] oh yes, I think I'll go now, see you all later -> [06:20] Tm_T: bye :) [06:24] nalioth: he is really insistent about chatting in pm [06:25] kitofhawaii: i have adopted a rule for myself. i don't discuss any #ubuntu* business outside of #ubuntu* channels [06:26] this protects everyone, as there will be public logs [06:26] nalioth: that's what i'm telling him...it's going over like a lead brick but i will keep doing so [06:27] if he has nothing to hide, he should have no problem with that [06:40] how do i block whois btw? he's been using that to track me... [06:41] kitofhawaii: /umode +i [06:41] i don't care about what people see me doing in channels or where..just he tends to get well...touchy about that :) [06:41] there is no way to block a /whois, but +i will hide any channels you don't share with the inquisitor [06:42] nalioth: that's perfect thank you :) [06:42] /whois nick nick is even scarier ;-) [06:44] Myrtti, what's the difference? [06:44] it tells you the idle time and away reason [06:44] I use it to stalk people too ;-) [06:44] Myrtti, ;) [06:44] that and notify :-D [06:45] nalioth, is it true that staffers can see whom is whois-ing them? [06:45] no0tic: not really, no [07:02] no0tic: can see _who_. [07:04] /me starts to rape nalioth [07:04] 's wii [07:04] :-P [07:05] bad typo [07:05] :-< [07:05] 0_o [07:05] I've always hated the position of the ' -key in Finnish layout [07:05] it sucks. [07:05] and so does my laggy Internet connection too [07:06]