[00:00] <scizzo-> gerro: test gparted
[00:00] <scizzo-> gerro: http://lists.ethernal.org/oldarchives/dunlug-0408/msg00134.html
[00:01] <SoManyQuestions> here's what fdisk -l says: Disk /dev/sda: 2041 MB, 2041839616 bytes
[00:01] <SoManyQuestions> 65 heads, 32 sectors/track, 1917 cylinders
[00:01] <SoManyQuestions> Units = cylinders of 2080 * 512 = 1064960 bytes
[00:01] <SoManyQuestions> This doesn't look like a partition table
[00:01] <SoManyQuestions> Probably you selected the wrong device.
[00:01] <SoManyQuestions>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[00:01] <SoManyQuestions> /dev/sda1   ?       32267      292296   270429664+   e  W95 FAT16 (LBA)
[00:02] <SoManyQuestions> /dev/sda2   ?      387183      387183           0    0  Empty
[00:02] <SoManyQuestions> Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[00:02] <SoManyQuestions> /dev/sda3          137382     1169826  1073741824    0  Empty
[00:02] <SoManyQuestions> Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[00:02] <scizzo-> SoManyQuestions: wow! don't spam!
[00:02] <SoManyQuestions> /dev/sda4          395233      395249       16384    0  Empty
[00:02] <SoManyQuestions> Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[00:02] <SoManyQuestions> soorry for that!
[00:02] <scizzo-> SoManyQuestions: past things like that on pastebin mate... :P
[00:02] <SoManyQuestions> sorry, didn't realise it would come out like that!
[00:02] <scizzo-> http://lists.ethernal.org/oldarchives/dunlug-0408/msg00140.html
[00:02] <SoManyQuestions> what's the pastebin?
[00:02] <scizzo-> seems like gpart and dd is a good thingy to have
[00:03] <scizzo-> SoManyQuestions: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[00:03] <scizzo-> SoManyQuestions: or http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[00:04] <SoManyQuestions> thanks, checking, my connection is a bit slow tonight
[00:04] <scizzo-> martyn: well if there is no error I remember that my system was strange with ALSA also
[00:04] <scizzo-> martyn: not that I am using a laptop but still
[00:05] <SoManyQuestions> ok, i see a sort of web form, what do i do with it once i paste my text?
[00:05] <martyn> scizzo - I am listening!
[00:06] <scizzo-> SoManyQuestions: well first try to past something in big field thingy and then type a nice little Poster: text....and then click on paste
[00:06] <scizzo-> martyn: ?
[00:06] <scizzo-> martyn: nothing comes out?
[00:06] <scizzo-> martyn: in another terminal type alsa-mixer
[00:07] <martyn> hang on - opening all that is needed now...
[00:07] <SoManyQuestions> i just typed my alias as Poster, is that right?
[00:07] <scizzo-> SoManyQuestions: well type: I am testing this cool thingy
[00:07] <scizzo-> SoManyQuestions: in the Poster place
[00:08] <scizzo-> SoManyQuestions: and then type: clear ; cat /etc/hosts
[00:08] <scizzo-> SoManyQuestions: in a terminal
[00:08] <scizzo-> take the output and past in Content:
[00:09] <scizzo-> and  then click paste
[00:11] <martyn> scizzo - cannot find alsa-mixer AND cannot apt-get install it either (couldn't find package)
[00:11] <martyn> any ideas?
[00:11] <scizzo-> martyn: hmmm: alsamixer
[00:11] <scizzo-> then.. :P
[00:11] <martyn> oops - sorry!
[00:12] <scizzo-> ;)
[00:12] <scizzo-> I do wonder if the BIOS is overwritting the soundcard
[00:12] <scizzo-> but linux should be smart enough to avoid that
[00:13] <age6racer> hi all, does anyone know how to remove the filesystem icons from my desktop? I've tried the behaviour tab in desktop settings but it has no effect.
[00:13] <scizzo-> age6racer: try rightclicking on the desktop
[00:14] <scizzo-> age6racer: Desktop Settings -> Behaviour -> Desktop Icons -> super choices
[00:14] <age6racer> super choices?
[00:15] <scizzo-> age6racer: you see where it says Desktop Icons?
[00:15] <age6racer> yeah
[00:15] <scizzo-> age6racer: in the drop down menu you can choose none
[00:15] <scizzo-> there is 3 choices there right?
[00:16] <age6racer> yeah, but I still want the trash, and removable devices. Just not filesystem.
[00:16] <age6racer> when I select the ones I want from the check boxes it does nothing
[00:16] <TheSheep> age6racer: you need to reload the xfdesktop for the change to take effect, unfortunately
[00:17] <scizzo-> martyn: how is it going?
[00:17] <TheSheep> age6racer: you can do it with 'killall -s USR1 xfdesktop'
[00:17] <age6racer> ok I think the problem is that some of my disk partitions seem to be recognised as removable devices
[00:18] <TheSheep> age6racer: it's a lso a good way to swithc the wallpaper to the next one on the list
[00:18] <age6racer> I still have a file system icon even with the check box unticked though
[00:20] <martyn> scizzo - got terminals open all over. Been slowed down by HDD activity - it only has 256MB RAM so everything drags!
[00:20] <scizzo-> martyn: hehe...know the feeling
[00:22] <martyn> I have been able to ID chipset thro' alsamixer - Realtek ALC250 rev. 2
[00:22] <scizzo-> eeeepp...realtek... :P
[00:22] <scizzo-> martyn: toshiba laptop?
[00:23] <martyn> It is an Acer Travelmate 2200 (2201LC).
[00:23] <martyn> About 3 years old and recently had Windows XP dumped off of it...
[00:24] <martyn> All alsamixer settings for playback are at 100%.
[00:24] <scizzo-> martyn: reading a bit about the card
[00:25] <TheSheep> martyn: make sure they all have 'OO' not 'MM' under them
[00:25] <TheSheep> martyn: switch with the 'm' key
[00:26] <scizzo-> martyn: cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base | grep snd-hda-intel
[00:27] <martyn> From within alsamixer??
[00:27] <scizzo-> seems like this card got something in common with that driver
[00:27] <scizzo-> TheSheep: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-521854.html
[00:28] <scizzo-> martyn: we can try one thing
[00:29] <martyn> Yes. Got them all with green OOs apart from IEC958 which doesn't have an option for MM / OO.
[00:29] <martyn> Yes - a hammer?
[00:30] <scizzo-> martyn: maybe you should test oss
[00:31] <martyn> ran the cat command - what was that for? Yes. Will try OSS.
[00:33] <scizzo-> this soundcard actually seems to be a big pain in the b**
[00:34] <scizzo-> martyn: ls -l /dev/dsp
[00:35] <martyn> it seems it to me - a big quiet pain!
[00:35] <martyn> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2007-12-19 22:43 /dev/dsp
[00:36] <scizzo-> martyn: btw....do you know if you get any other sound like from programs that uses systemsound or so?
[00:37] <TheSheep> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp   (and cover your ears)
[00:37] <scizzo-> Ctrl+C when if you hear random noice
[00:38] <scizzo-> :P
[00:39] <scizzo-> TheSheep: can pulseaudio be in the way for the normal sound?
[00:39] <scizzo-> ummm I mean for the sound from other applications...
[00:40] <TheSheep> scizzo-: yes, if the soundcard has only one channel
[00:40] <TheSheep> scizzo-: and the othe apps are not smart enough to use pulseaudi and try to use the soundcard directly
[00:41] <scizzo-> hmmm
[00:43] <martyn> sheep - tried that - both with ears covered and uncovered - still nothing.
[00:43] <TheSheep> martyn: not even an error message?
[00:43] <martyn> no random noise - unless you count fingers on keyboard.
[00:44] <martyn> nothing - cursor went to far left with no prompt for about a minute so CTRL+C - prompt appeared so repeated procedure x2. Still nothing.
[00:45] <martyn> have got it 'running' now in a terminal but still no noise.
[00:45] <TheSheep> the diagnosis is simple yet brillaint: your sound doesn't work
[00:45] <SoManyQuestions> does sound work at all from a live cd like knoppix?
[00:45] <scizzo-> martyn: you get no "beeps" at all from the machine?
[00:46] <TheSheep> martyn: have you looked for a volume control on your laptop?
[00:46] <scizzo-> martyn: its rather fenomenal IMO
[00:46] <TheSheep> martyn: like you know, a little wheel you could turn up...
[00:46] <martyn> Thank you sheep. SMQ - will put a liveCD in tomorrow. I know it used to work with Mandriva 1 but it was SO slow....
[00:46] <scizzo-> martyn: the knoppix CD might overwrite the bios a little different then Ubuntu
[00:47] <scizzo-> not 100% sure though
[00:47] <TheSheep> martyn: say, does 'dmesg' say anything about sound?
[00:47] <TheSheep> martyn: type 'dmesg | less' and look at the end
[00:48] <martyn> Hang on. No to the external volume control (thank god).
[00:48] <TheSheep> martyn: why, it would solve your problem
[00:49] <martyn> Well - yeah - you are right but I would have felt a bit of an a*** if that was the problem!!
[00:50] <TheSheep> we are all only humans
[00:50] <TheSheep> or sheep
[00:51] <TheSheep> martyn: does 'lsmod | grep snd' show anything?
[00:51] <martyn> Yeah, sorry. Looked thro'a ll of dmesg and only things that might me of interest are PCI slot 1 and 8 cannot be allocated.
[00:52] <TheSheep> martyn: hmm... you might want to play with irq settings in your bios
[00:53] <R_M> Hey. Could I pester someone for some help?
[00:53] <martyn> sheep - will try that. Also - lsmod shows LOADS of modules to various snd bits.
[00:53] <TheSheep> !ask | R_M
[00:53] <ubotu> R_M: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[00:53] <R_M> I have an old Celeron 300A/Abit BH6 mobo box that I've put Xubuntu on, and am planning to give to my Dad as a present for use in his workshop.
[00:54] <R_M> The wireless card I put in is a Dynex DX-WGDTC, which is, according to the reviews I find on the 'net, supposed to be one of the best wireless cards it's possible to get for Linux, and it's supposed to work for Ubuntu right out of the box. And in the Xubuntu box it used to be in, my newer Athlon 2600+ machine, it did indeed work.
[00:54] <martyn> Listen guys and sheep. Thanks for your help. I am off to bed now but will try all of your suggestions (knoppix live and IRQetc). Thank you again for your time and knowledge. Will report back WHEN it is working!!!
[00:54] <martyn> See you.
[00:54] <R_M> But in this older one, Xubuntu won't notice it at all, either the installation on the hard drive or if I boot the CD as a LiveCD. When I do a lspci on the machine it doesn't even notice the card is there, and I've tried it in two different slots.
[00:54] <R_M> Is the mobo just too old to work with this kind of card? Or is there something else I need to do to get it to work?
[00:54]  * somerville32 waves.
[00:55] <TheSheep> R_M: it's an usb card? pci? pcimcia?
[00:55] <R_M> PCI.
[00:56] <TheSheep> it should just work :(
[00:56] <R_M> It doesn't. Either with the installed version or the LiveCD.
[00:56] <somerville32> lspci please :)
[00:56] <TheSheep> R_M: you are sure it connects properly? you did turn off the computer to insert it?
[00:56] <R_M> lspci doesn't even see it. And unfortunately it's not on the 'net right now for me to be able to copy and paste it over.
[00:57] <R_M> Yes I did, and I've tried it in two different PCI slots.
[00:57] <TheSheep> R_M: did you try to put other pci cards into those slots?
[00:57] <R_M> No.
[00:57] <TheSheep> R_M: just to see if they work
[00:57] <R_M> (Being dragged away from computer. Will read suggestions and respond when I get back.)
[00:58] <TheSheep> R_M: another thing, you migth check if they are disabled in bios
[00:59] <zoredache> R_M: if it worked, and now isn't working there is always a chance the hardware has failed.  When you transfered it between computers maybe you introduced too much ESD.
[01:05] <SoManyQuestions> well, off to bed for me... thanks for the advice
[01:11] <nantax> has anyone have successfully configured compiz on xubuntu?
[01:11] <nantax> i tried it but i ended up with a system that always boots on the lowest resolution...
[01:11] <scizzo-> nantax: only using the standard settings really with shadows and so on
[01:12] <nantax> installed ubuntu and now im leaving xubuntu... lol
[01:16] <vidd> !seen jester45
[01:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen jester45 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:17] <vidd> Alpha 2?
[01:17] <scizzo-> vidd: yes?
[01:18] <vidd> the topic says Alpha 2 to be released Dec 20....
[01:18] <scizzo-> vidd: well yes sometime during the night/day
[01:18] <vidd> alpha 2 of what?
[01:19] <scizzo-> hardy heron
[01:19] <vidd> ah
[01:24] <scizzo-> vidd: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
[01:24] <vidd> ty scizzo-
[01:24] <scizzo-> vidd: however if you are not confortable with the .deb system then I suggest to stick with gutsy
[01:25] <scizzo-> vidd: hardy willl break.....at some point and is not a stable marked system or even marked as being supported
[01:25] <vidd> heh...i just upgraded my server from fiesty to gutsy today and all kinds of things broke
[01:26] <vidd> but i have a friend helping me to fix it
[01:28] <scizzo-> nice friends
[01:29] <vidd> only cost me sudo rights and disk-space (and bandwith of course!)
[01:30] <scizzo-> vidd: hehe
[01:30] <scizzo-> vidd: you could always screen him and follow the steps he takes for fix the server
[01:30] <scizzo-> just for fun and then tell him that "big brother is watching"
[01:30] <vidd> i trust these guys
[01:31] <vidd> they helped me to get it going in the first place
[01:31] <scizzo-> vidd: hehe yeah but for kicks you could do what I said
[01:32] <vidd> i will keep it in mind
[01:45] <R_M> Could the fact that my computer already has an Ethernet card in it (it didn't come with built-in) be preventing it from seeing the wireless ethernet one?
[01:45] <vidd> can someone point me to a how-to to take 80% of one partition and add it to another (without losing any data)?
[01:48] <scizzo-> vidd: you mean a already formatted and used disk?
[01:48] <R_M> I think you'd really be better off just backing everything up and reformatting.
[01:49] <vidd> the one partition is pretty much empty...but my /var partition is almost full
[01:50] <scizzo-> vidd: well does not answer my question really
[01:51] <vidd> well...yes...formated and used
[01:51] <The-Kernel> it looks as if we'll back up /var, formatt /tmp and /var so that they can be combined without a problem
[01:52] <vidd> but back up to where?
[01:52] <vidd> do we have space
[01:53] <vidd> whoops...wrong channel
[01:53] <scizzo-> vidd: a simple way to explain why its not a good idea to try and steal info from a disk that is in use and is formatted is that partitions get information from various places on the disk itself...
[01:54] <scizzo-> vidd: which means that you can damage them quite easily by stealing space from another disk....to another disk...
[01:54] <scizzo-> vidd: and..well another thing is....if you want to do what you want to do pretty much means formatting a partition anyway so
[01:55] <vidd> im pretty sure the two partitions are on the same physical drive
[01:55] <scizzo-> vidd: well yes.....doesnt matter though
[01:55] <vidd> so back-up the one partion...reformat the two partions into one?
[01:56] <vidd> or two redistributed pieces anyway
[01:58] <scizzo-> did you say it was /var that was full?
[01:58] <scizzo-> have you ever ran a: apt-get clean
[01:58] <scizzo-> ?
[01:59] <The-Kernel> yes
[01:59] <The-Kernel> I did
[01:59] <scizzo-> The-Kernel: was talking to vidd though.. :P
[01:59] <The-Kernel> lol
[02:00] <vidd> scizzo-, he is the freind that is helping me
[02:00] <vidd> =]
[02:00] <scizzo-> aaa
[02:00] <scizzo-> didn't know
[02:01] <scizzo-> and..well have problems reading minds.. ;)
[02:01] <vidd> i figured...thats why i said it
[02:01] <vidd> your cystal ball in the shop too?
[02:01] <vidd> =]
[02:01] <scizzo-> nah I just read minds
[02:02] <vidd> ok...do you see lotto numbers too?
[02:03] <scizzo-> nope
[02:03] <vidd> darn!
[02:03] <scizzo-> well good luck with the machine then
[02:03] <vidd> thanks for your input
[02:04] <scizzo-> well I need to sleep now...so...hehe
[02:05] <The-Kernel> bye!
[02:50] <R_M> I installed the nVidia proprietary drivers on my machine, decided I didn't like them, and uninstalled and restarted. Now I get an error box about how the x server can't start due to graphical error. So I rebooted into recovery mode. What package(s) do I need to apt-get to fix the graphics?
[03:11] <soldats> R_M, is that a different card than what you normally use
[03:27] <R_M> In re X server question, never mind, I found the problem; I had boogered up my fstab.
[03:27] <R_M> If anyone was here for my wireless card question, I've rebooted my main Linux box with the card in it and it defefinitely detected it. The question's why my old Abit BH6/Celeron 300A system didn't.
[03:41] <jasonago> is there a "Run" applet in xubuntu? Well I'm not really on xubuntu...I just installed xfce in kubuntu...any help on how I can run adept manager as root? I am always prompted "You cant make any modifications...blah blah...youi need to become root..."....
[03:52] <R_M> jason: if you open a terminal (under accessories) you can type sudo <command-you-want-to-run>
[03:52] <R_M> It'll then ask for your password.
[03:52] <R_M> But it'll only do that every few minutes, so you can sudo several commands but only have to enter your password once.
[04:08] <jasonago2> what's the name of the default window style in xubuntu?
[04:08] <jasonago2> I have installed xfce on kubuntu and I think the default style I have is different from the xubuntu website's screenshots....
[04:08] <soldats> no clue but i think its toward the end if the list
[04:09] <neur1> kubuntu is kde
[04:10] <soldats> lol yea i has read error
[04:12] <neur1> what's up soldats
[04:13] <soldats> hey man
[04:13] <soldats> did you get all your stuff solved
[04:15] <soldats> where do you live
[04:22] <neur1> nope, did all the patches but press play and it blinks then turns off
[04:22] <neur1> for dvd playback
[04:22] <neur1> are you guys using the default player or do you have a favorite?
[04:22] <neur1> hawaii usa
[04:24] <neur1> is there a setting to change the font color in the panel?
[04:24] <soldats> lol i has a dvd player for my dvds
[04:25] <soldats> not sure about font color
[04:25] <soldats> what app are you using
[04:25] <neur1> for?
[04:26] <neur1> in the panel
[04:27] <soldats> dvd?
[04:27] <neur1> totem
[04:27] <soldats> ahh, i love it
[04:28] <soldats> do you have the restricted codecs
[04:28] <neur1> it works well in an hp but not in an ibm
[04:28] <soldats> er i really dont remeberwhat they are called
[04:28] <neur1> yes
[04:28] <soldats> some dvds are restricted and wont play right
[04:29] <neur1> followed the directions for both, except ibm has 16 color bit
[04:30] <neur1> so i guess that's the holdup
[04:30] <soldats> lol maybe im not sure
[04:30] <neur1> should work , on paper lol
[04:31] <soldats> ha
[04:32] <soldats> i have had no electricity for a few days but was there something else you needed a few days ago or was that it
[04:32] <soldats> i really dont remember
[05:19] <bajaboy1010> I hate to be a bother, but is this where i can come for help?
[05:19] <crimsun> sure.
[05:20] <bajaboy1010> I just got Xubuntu for the first time on my computer and I've run into a problem
[05:20] <corruptionoflulz> j #pcmcorega
[05:21] <bajaboy1010> is there anyone i should talk to specificly?
[05:21] <soldats> !ask
[05:21] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:21] <bajaboy1010> heh-
[05:22] <bajaboy1010> ok so I just installed Xubuntu on an old dell laptop, a Latitude cs400
[05:22] <bajaboy1010> and I get this odd display error
[05:22] <bajaboy1010> The system cant detect my graphics card
[05:22] <bajaboy1010> so when I try to log in the screen is very tiny
[05:23] <bajaboy1010> and there is a lot of black space around the screen
[05:23] <bajaboy1010> anyone know what to do about it?
[05:25] <soldats> hmm
[05:27] <soldats> have you checked the resolution
[05:28] <soldats> tried to set it to what you prefer
[05:29] <bajaboy1010> yes, but the system cant detect what moniter the laptop uses, and i have no way of knowing for sure. so what ends up happening is that it reverts to a smaller resolution
[05:30] <soldats> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" try the defaults and when you get to monitor set to desired resolution. make backups as necessary
[05:31] <bajaboy1010> ok sounds good
[05:31] <bajaboy1010> I'll try
[05:32] <bajaboy1010> sweet
[05:32] <bajaboy1010> thanks
[05:32] <soldats> dont take this lightly
[05:32] <bajaboy1010> ?
[05:32] <soldats> there is a chance something might mess up
[05:33] <bajaboy1010> I have no data on the system as of yet, so there is no serious risk involved
[05:33] <soldats> just use the default when necessary since you dont know the monitor settings
[05:33] <soldats> ohok
[05:33] <bajaboy1010> yeah, this is a newly installed system
[05:33] <soldats> ill be back in a bit i goot run to the store
[05:33] <soldats> ill chack back in a few
[05:35] <bajaboy1010> thanks for the hekp
[05:35] <bajaboy1010> Ill give it a shot
[07:38] <ere4si> !hotkey
[07:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hotkey - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:45] <soldats> hotkey??
[08:12] <ere4si> mapping keys to functions
[08:14] <neur1> how big is the iso?
[08:17] <soldats> ere4si, like what functions opening something???
[08:18] <ere4si> hotkeys is a service - you can map key combos to open apps etc
[08:19] <soldats> you can also use applications > aettings  > keyboard settings
[08:39] <ere4si> you can use the menu as well :)
[08:40] <soldats> menu to do what
[08:41] <soldats> ere4si, menu to do what
[08:41] <ere4si> soldats: - poor attempt at humor... - menu to open apps :)
[08:42] <soldats> ahh sorry i am a little inebriated
[08:42] <soldats> the menu will open all apps
[08:42] <soldats> if said app is in menu
[08:42] <ere4si> the issue was hotkey wasn't running as a service so no buttons could be mapped
[08:43] <Catoptromancy> you can map key combos to do anything really
[08:43] <soldats> yes
[08:43] <ere4si> not my dishes :)
[08:43] <Catoptromancy> it could!
[08:43] <soldats> lol
[08:43] <ere4si> hehe
[08:44] <Catoptromancy> with some creatvivity
[08:45] <soldats> write a program with pygame to wash dishes and add hot keys ???? profit
[08:45] <Catoptromancy> need housr interface
[08:46] <Catoptromancy> house
[08:46] <Catoptromancy> wireless adaptors
[08:50] <ere4si> interface with a dishwasher - the missus would get upset at being connected to the net!
[08:52] <soldats> internet == world domination
[08:53] <TheSheep> google? did someone say google?
[08:55] <soldats> dishwasher == google
[09:47] <Pondiboy> !rules
[09:47] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[09:53] <neur1> what's the name to input for a terminal laucher, not xterm but . . .
[09:57] <TheSheep> xfce4-terminal
[09:59] <neur1> thank you
[10:11] <mikubuntu> are there any devs in the room?  wonder if anyone ever considered putting the version names or numbers on the splash screen?
[10:12] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: your best bet to reach devs ia the -dev mailing list
[10:12] <TheSheep> s/ia/is
[10:12] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: we are keeping them in a closet and forcing to program, you see
[10:13] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: ahhhh....
[10:14] <mikubuntu> no, i'm not that ambitious ... lol
[10:14]  * Pondiboy is away: auto-away
[10:15] <TheSheep> Pondiboy: can you please disable these messages?
[10:15] <TheSheep> Pondiboy: thank you
[10:16] <mikubuntu> my real prob tonite is that i don't know why two supposedly good etho cards are not getting detected on either of two machines i had x on... but not sure what version, hence the question about displaying version #s.  am reinstalling with fresh burn of 7.10, and hoping/wondering if after all that my etho will get detected.
[10:17] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: weird, we had someone with similar problem last night
[10:17] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: it worked in one box and didn't in other
[10:17] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: might be a coincidence though
[10:18] <mikubuntu> or a conspiracy.
[10:18] <mikubuntu> you never know. lol.
[10:18] <TheSheep> stealth ninja bunnies are everywhere
[10:20] <mikubuntu> wee little buggers, aren't they
[10:21] <mikubuntu> 89% of base system installed, just checked, got a ways to go still... want to try to have these two machines ready to give away for xmas  ...  arrrrrgggghhh....
[10:40] <botchy> Hi! I just installed Xubuntu 7.10 on my laptop and I would really like to go online now with it. I can't do it on my own. The Internet comes from my Windows XP desktop via an ad-hoc wifi connection and worked with xp on the laptop. Anyone in the mood to help me set it up?
[10:41] <botchy> when I use the tool next to the clock, windows says connection established but xubuntu doesn't and kills it after a minute. ther is no web access during that time
[10:42] <gerro> botchy: have you connected it to ethernet for a bit and updated the system?
[10:43] <gerro> it lists a wireless card/interface too right?
[10:44] <botchy> no. my cable modem doesn't allow further ethernet devices. even unplugging the other one won't help, no matter if xubuntu or windows
[10:44] <botchy> but eth1 lists my wireless card, a cisco aeronet 350, so its compatible and preinstalled
[10:45] <mikubuntu> botchy, what's an ad hoc wifi?
[10:45] <gerro> botchy: there info about doing what your working with here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-188482.html
[10:45] <gerro> botchy: also what is your essid? if you put number or capitals in weird spots it won't be recognized I think
[10:47] <botchy> well, its directly between the windows desktop and the laptop, no router involved. well the ssid is MaFe86
[10:47] <botchy> it is in the networks lists, but after entering the wep code, the connection simply doesn't get established
[10:48]  * Pondiboy is back (gone 00:33:43)
[10:49] <TheSheep> Pondiboy: please disable these messages
[10:51] <gerro> botchy: hmm I put wep key (hexadecimal) don't know what it means by ascii
[10:52] <botchy> i tried both. but should be hexadecimal, as it consists of 13 numbers
[10:54] <gerro> huh?
[10:54] <gerro> hexadecimal isn't all numbers
[10:54] <gerro> its 1-9 with A-F
[10:55] <gerro> oh and 0 too
[10:55] <botchy> oh. well there is also a 0.
[11:01] <botchy> is there a different tool that i could use to cinfig my settings?
[11:01]  * Pondiboy is away: auto-away
[11:01] <mikubuntu> Pondiboy has left the building.
[11:06] <botchy> i'll try again later
[11:06] <botchy> thx for trying
[12:04] <tich> does thunar support tagging (or some other convenient, maybe non-hierarchical, way of organizing)?
[12:18] <tich> i know that thunar has the media tagging plugin which allows tagging of music files but i want something that could tag and search tags of all files.
[12:28] <Catoptromancy> grep maybe?
[12:28] <Catoptromancy> depends on file
[12:34] <chris_were> may i have some advice
[12:40] <chris_were> so is everybody here a devoted xfce fan?
[12:44] <Catoptromancy> possibly
[12:44] <TheSheep> chris_were: no
[12:45] <TheSheep> chris_were: also, this is a support channel
[13:32] <bim> I log in, I see the spash, and then my screens turn gray. If I ctl-alt-f1 and back,  I see my desktop briefly, then back to gray. Help?
[13:50] <anquietas> Greetings.
[13:50] <bim> anquietas: do you answer questions?
[13:51] <anquietas> I answer those I am capable of.
[13:56] <anquietas> Though, I am here to ask for an advice. :) I am contemplating switching to Xubuntu. Is Xubuntu stable? What are the disadvantages? Does it look good? (Stupid question, but it's not irrelevant)
[13:56] <bim> well, consider the question I asked a few moments ago ...  I log in, I see the spash, and then my screens turn gray. If I ctl-alt-f1 and back,  I see my desktop briefly, then back to gray. Help?
[13:57] <anquietas> Graphics driver fails to do its job?
[13:57] <bim> I'm finding it not all that stable, and that there isn't much evidence of a support community.
[13:57] <bim> Driver is fine. GNOME works fine.
[13:57] <bim> xubuntu worked fine yesterday.
[13:58] <anquietas> Ah. Hm. Did you change something consciously?
[13:58] <bim> I plugged my second monitor back in when I returned from my trip.
[13:58] <anquietas> Does it help to... plug it out again?
[13:59] <bim> I ran out of patience before trying that experiment.
[13:59] <anquietas> Try it. It might be significant.
[13:59] <anquietas> Albeit I can't think of a logical correlation...
[13:59] <bim> it may be related to a problem I saw before: every so often, some mysterious process 'turns off' the 'xfce manage desktop' preference.
[13:59] <bim> I can't figure out where it is stored on disk.
[14:00] <anquietas> I have never used Xubuntu, nor Xfce. Therefore I haven't experienced such issues (yet!).
[14:00] <TheSheep> bim: press alt+f2 and type 'xfdesktop'
[14:00] <TheSheep> bim: that happens whet xfdesktop crashes
[14:01] <TheSheep> bim: but it should't crash anymore in 7.10
[14:01] <bim> That sounds like the solution to my second problem, not my first one, insofar as ps claimed that I had an xfdesktop process when I used ctl-alt-f1 to get to a shell.
[14:01] <anquietas> TheSheep, could you tell me some relevant information about Xubuntu?
[14:01] <bim> However, I'll try it in a moment.
[14:02] <TheSheep> !ask | anquietas
[14:02] <ubotu> anquietas: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[14:02] <anquietas> I asked. :P
[14:02] <anquietas> «  I am contemplating switching to Xubuntu. Is Xubuntu stable? What are the disadvantages? Does it look good? (Stupid question, but it's not irrelevant) »
[14:02] <TheSheep> anquietas: you need to be a little more specific
[14:03] <anquietas> More specifically: I am using Debian with Enlightenment right now - Does it make sense to switch to Xubuntu? What would I lose, what could I gain?
[14:03] <TheSheep> anquietas: it's stable, there are screenshots on the xubuntu.org web page, disadvantages depend on what you do/need
[14:03] <TheSheep> anquietas: I don't know enlightement too well
[14:04] <pleia2> anquietas: I switched from debian with enlightenment, xfce is nice since it's easier to do stuff like bind keys and make other config changes, I'm quite happy with it
[14:04] <anquietas> I need a stable and reliable operating system and a visually pleasing desktop environment to run scientific applications which I would hate to see crashing while doing their job.
[14:04] <TheSheep> anquietas: compared to xubuntu, debian is more stable :)
[14:05] <anquietas> pleia2, may I ask what you are mainly doing on the computer?
[14:06] <pleia2> anquietas: I'm a sysadmin, so primarily I am sshing into servers to do command line work, but I also have a mail client running, a web browser, use gimp often, music player
[14:07] <anquietas> Well, I guess that it's almost unavoidable that a system crashes at times... it's just the frequency of it doing so that makes me think of switching to a more "stable" system.
[14:07] <bim> all is well on one monitor.
[14:08] <TheSheep> anquietas: if your system crashes, I'd seriously check the hardware
[14:08] <bim> xfdesktop is already running.
[14:08] <bim> I thought to kill and restart it, but i don't know what to tell it for -display.
[14:08] <anquietas> =P TheSheep, interestingly, it doesn't crash on Vista.
[14:08] <pleia2> anquietas: I don't have problems with crashes (although, I did on Debian from time to time due to xorg issues)
[14:09] <bim> and it worked fine on two monitors two days ago.
[14:09] <bim> any ideas?
[14:09] <anquietas> bim, mh. Plugging out the second monitor helped? Cool.
[14:09] <TheSheep> bim: the usual "what did you change?" :)
[14:10] <bim> That's all I changed. On Monday, I was running on two monitors.
[14:10] <bim> On tuesday and wednesday, on the road with just the laptop.
[14:10] <bim> Now back.
[14:10] <bim> I probably didled the 'compose windows' settings.
[14:10] <bim> In other words, it's probably not quite all I changed.
[14:10] <anquietas> You possibly have to tell xfdesktop to ... use both monitors ?
[14:11] <bim> it is using both desktops. It shows the right stuff for a tantelizing instant.
[14:11] <bim> I guess I could flush all of ~/.config and see what I see.
[14:12] <TheSheep> bim: just create a new account
[14:12] <bim> I have an extra, come to think of it. Off I go.
[14:13] <anquietas> Well, thanks for the advice TheSheep / pleia2.
[14:13] <anquietas> Can I get a Xubuntu LiveCD?
[14:13] <bim> well, that did it. Some settings really doesn't get along with my second monitor.
[14:14] <anquietas> LiveCD Iso.
[14:14] <scizzo-> anquietas: yes
[14:15] <scizzo-> anquietas: the standard ISO is actually a small LiveCD thingy which you can see how it looks on the computer
[14:15] <anquietas> Nice. Is it the 7.10 release I should get?
[14:16] <scizzo-> anquietas: AFAIK E17 is nice if you want to have whole animation and so on desktop....which IMO compiz cover rather good at the moment
[14:16] <scizzo-> anquietas: E17 has a few other advanteges also..however I belive that if you want to use a good GTK2 stable system running the same stuff as Ubuntu with gnome then I do suggest Xubuntu
[14:17] <scizzo-> anquietas: also....XFCE is fast
[14:17] <anquietas> Mind you, I am a newbie, as to Linux. :) Compiz is ... yet another desktop manager?
[14:17] <scizzo-> anquietas: nah...its the motor running to create shadows and so on for menus etc
[14:17] <scizzo-> ubotu: tell anquietas about compiz
[14:17] <scizzo-> bah
[14:17] <scizzo-> need to learn how it works
[14:18] <anquietas> It worked.
[14:18] <anquietas> I got a private message. :P
[14:18] <scizzo-> anquietas: http://www.xfce-look.org/
[14:18] <scizzo-> anquietas: is a nice place to see how people change the desktop a bit on XFCE
[14:19] <scizzo-> ooo....good afternoon all btw
[14:19] <anquietas> :) Greetings.
[14:19] <anquietas> Mhm, thanks for the link.
[14:20] <anquietas> Therefore, Compiz is an application running simultaneously to the system that manages the GUI's appearance?
[14:20] <scizzo-> no problem
[14:20] <scizzo-> anquietas: there ya go!
[14:20] <anquietas> Fine.
[14:21] <scizzo-> you have standard settings you can add to the desktop directly...however compiz is really dependent on the GLX settings for the card also
[14:21] <scizzo-> what kind of graphics card do you have?
[14:22] <anquietas> Uhm, Geforce 7200.
[14:22] <anquietas> It should suffice for most things, I guess...
[14:22] <scizzo-> yeah
[14:22] <scizzo-> the nvidia drivers are ok at the moment
[14:22] <scizzo-> the support for the cards also
[14:23] <anquietas> True. That's one thing I have had least problems with.
[14:23] <scizzo-> my suggestion is to try xubuntu out on a drive somewhere...if you like it...well then you like it and can overwrite everything with that wonderful system called xubuntu
[14:23] <anquietas> Mh, is Compiz included in the Xubuntu package (7.10 [x86] Desktop) ?
[14:24] <TheSheep> anquietas: no
[14:24] <anquietas> But it's surely simple to add it.
[14:24] <anquietas> Right? =D
[14:24] <TheSheep> anquietas: probably
[14:24] <TheSheep> anquietas: but who'd want it?
[14:24] <scizzo-> I have never tried installing it on the XFCE system
[14:25] <anquietas> scizzo-, where did you install it?
[14:25] <TheSheep> anquietas: xubuntu has some simple compositing build in: transparency and shadows
[14:25] <scizzo-> anquietas: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy
[14:25] <scizzo-> anquietas: another good link
[14:26] <scizzo-> anquietas: well I am using the standard stuff that is included with xubuntu..and well...I don't feel that 200 animated windows on the desktop is need for a working desktop
[14:26] <scizzo-> anquietas: I am using a few shadows and so on
[14:26] <anquietas> True, but Compiz can be used decently. It's not necessary to flood the desktop with effects.
[14:27] <anquietas> It's just that I have stumbled across a nice Compiz theme on the link you sent before and I want to try it. :P
[14:27] <scizzo-> screenshot.....smile everyone
[14:28] <TheSheep> anquietas: it's easy to insatll and try, it gets a little harder to have running by default, but there are howtos
[14:28] <anquietas> Ubuntu 7.10 seems to have it pre-installed.
[14:29] <TheSheep> anquietas: yes, but xubuntu is supposed to be lighter
[14:39] <TheSheep> kernel upgrade, yay
[14:39] <scizzo-> anquietas: http://fluff.ath.cx/screenshot_1.png
[14:39] <scizzo-> anquietas: that is what I am using at the moment
[14:39] <TheSheep> oooh, a screenshot contest? :D
[14:40] <scizzo-> TheSheep: nah
[14:40] <scizzo-> TheSheep: me being silly as always
[14:40] <scizzo-> so a silly contest. :P
[14:40] <TheSheep> scizzo-: pretty harcore contrast
[14:40] <TheSheep> d
[14:40] <TheSheep> scizzo-: that white window on black background
[14:41] <scizzo-> hehe
[14:41] <anquietas> Nice, scizzo-. :)
[14:42] <scizzo-> TheSheep: well if it is going to be white...its going to be white
[14:42] <scizzo-> TheSheep: I am using a 8800GTS card with a Samsung 226CW monitor... :P
[14:43] <TheSheep> 940bw here
[14:43] <TheSheep> http://atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl/~sheep/shot.png
[14:44] <scizzo-> TheSheep: nice
[14:44] <TheSheep> that's what I use for an IDE :)
[14:45] <scizzo-> TheSheep: coding a game or something?
[14:46] <TheSheep> scizzo-: yeah, folling around
[14:46] <TheSheep> fooling
[14:46] <scizzo-> hehe nice
[14:48] <anquietas> scizzo-, where are you from?
[14:50] <scizzo-> beutiful girls, next to denmark, europe
[14:51] <node_6> hi all
[14:53] <node_6> I'm new to ubuntu.  I understand that it's based on debian ( good! )  Debian does have an excellent package manager and selection of packages, though the packages in the stable branch are allowed to get pretty stale (imho).
[14:54] <scizzo-> node_6: you mean no updates?
[14:54] <node_6> how do ubuntu's packages compare to debian's?   and does xubuntu share packages with ubuntu?
[14:55] <node_6> scizzo-:  security updates are wonderful, but minor/major version updates for new compatibilties/feature support leave a bit to be desired
[14:55] <node_6> I'm on etch 64-bit now and I just picked up a couple security updates this morning.  I have absolutely no complaints there
[14:55] <TheSheep> ubuntu has a release every 6 months
[14:55] <TheSheep> on a fixed schedule
[14:56] <TheSheep> the packages are not updated before releases, except for security/bug fixes
[14:56] <node_6> in the 6-month releases, how close are the included packages to the latest and greatest?
[14:56] <scizzo-> node_6: depends on the releases really
[14:57] <node_6> eg.  etch is still on gnome 2.14
[14:57] <TheSheep> node_6: I don't remember exactly (you can check it on the wiki), but I think the version freeze is 2 months before the release
[14:58] <node_6> and does xubuntu share packages with ubuntu?
[14:58] <TheSheep> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule <-- schedule for Hardy
[14:58] <scizzo-> node_6: yes
[14:58] <TheSheep> node_6: yes
[14:58] <node_6> therefore, by choosing xubuntu over ubuntu, I would not loose a great deal of package choices?
[14:58] <node_6> (other than having xfce instead of gnome)
[14:59] <TheSheep> node_6: you can install each and every package from any of ubuntu, kubuntu or edubuntu
[14:59] <TheSheep> node_6: the difference is only in what's installed by default and initial configuration
[15:00] <node_6> understood
[15:00] <node_6> thanks all :)
[15:18] <Maconga> I just installed Xunbunto on another computer from a live cd, restarted the computer, and i get this message "Operating Ststem Not Found"
[15:18] <Maconga> Operating Sytstem*
[15:22] <Maconga> Can someone help me ?
[15:25] <node_6> hmm..
[15:27] <node_6> Maconga:  1) did you install a bootloader (lilo, grub)?  2) where did you install the bootloader (mbr, hda, sda)?  3) is the boot partition set active?  4) is the bootloader configured correctly (/etc/lilo.conf  /boot/grub/menu.lst)?
[15:28] <Maconga> Never Mind, Found My problem, I had The Cd Rom set up as Master Drive and the Hard Disk as Slave.
[15:28] <node_6> :)
[15:29] <Maconga> Now i got the hard drive set up as Master, and the Cd as  slave
[15:29] <Maconga> Thanks anyway node_6
[15:30] <node_6> I made the mistake of choosing amd64 for etch.  I don't think I'll do that this time...  32-bit gusty gibbon for me  :)
[15:31] <node_6> next thing is the choice of installer...
[15:31] <node_6> the alternate install CD sounds much more flexible
[15:33] <node_6> anyone have an opinion?
[15:34] <TheSheep> node_6: it's faster
[15:34] <node_6> alternate cd is?
[15:34] <TheSheep> node_6: and has an expert mode
[15:34] <TheSheep> node_6: yes
[15:34] <node_6> :)  and the other cd is like a "live cd" with the option to install?
[15:35] <TheSheep> and you can for example do the commandline install and install xfce and other parts of xubuntu manually
[15:35] <node_6> very nice
[15:35] <TheSheep> node_6: yes
[15:35] <TheSheep> !install | node_6
[15:35] <ubotu> node_6: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[15:35] <TheSheep> node_6: there are more ways :)
[15:36] <node_6> ah... my options are limited on this machine
[15:36] <node_6> the network card is wireless-N and no distros support it out-of-the-box
[15:36] <TheSheep> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromLinux <-- I did this once, it went pretty smooth
[15:37] <node_6> so I need something that will install 99% w/o network access, then install kernel mod for network card, then do updates
[15:37] <TheSheep> cd would be best probably
[15:37]  * node_6 nods
[15:39] <node_6> I don't need install instructions quite yet, but I am curious how smooth ati driver installation is
[15:40] <node_6> (thinkpad t60 w/ mobility 1400)
[16:08] <kwhk> just applied updates.  there seem to be some problems now.  when i click "shut down", it beeps.  then, it turns black and some lines showing something [OK], something failed, then the progress bar below "ubuntu", and finally, beeps before totally shuts down.
[16:11] <kwhk> anyone has similar issues?
[16:27] <lesshaste_> is there a graphical applet to show you your current wireless connection speed?
[17:53] <claferri> hello everyone
[17:53] <vinze> Hey claferri
[17:54] <claferri> i'm facing a really strange probleme using firefox and flash currently, google didnt help me ... when i go to youtube to see a video, it start playing and loading the video but after a very short time it just stop viewing and the download progress bar disapear
[17:55] <claferri> i have this problem since two days and i dont know what a can try else, i tryied reinstalling flash plugin, firefox, gnash
[17:55] <vinze> It happens with both Adobe's flash player and Gnash?
[17:55] <claferri> no, i fact i didnt succed reading a video with gnash
[17:56] <vinze> Ah, ok
[17:56] <vinze> Well, it could of course be a Youtube bug, did you experience the same problems with embedded YouTube videos?
[17:56] <claferri> it want me to install some codec that i did install but then trying to make me install them another time
[17:56] <claferri> yes, daylimotion is the same
[17:57] <claferri> hmmm embedded youtube video ... means?
[17:57] <claferri> sorry my english is not so good (a)
[17:57] <vinze> That another website displays a Youtube video
[17:57] <claferri> ok, didnt try this test, just gonna try
[17:57] <claferri> but the daylimotion site seems to react the same with me
[17:58] <vinze> Very odd, I'm afraid I can't help you
[17:58] <claferri> google video react also the same way ...
[17:59] <claferri> i'm really getting bored with this :)
[17:59] <claferri> vinze: thx anyway ;)
[18:17] <failbit> hi
[18:17] <failbit> can anyone tell me how i can get compiz running with xfce?
[18:18] <failbit> nvidia, glx already ok
[18:18] <TheSheep> !compiz
[18:18] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[18:18] <failbit> but what do i have to change with xfce?
[18:19] <failbit> i mean i cant install compiz-kde or compiz-gnome?
[18:19] <vidd> ummm....nothing
[18:19] <TheSheep> failbit: why you can't do it?
[18:20] <failbit> is this recommendet.. and which one should i use then
[18:20] <vidd> id use the -gnome
[18:33] <FunnyMan3595> Is there a graphical interface to grub in here somewhere?
[18:34] <Catoptromancy> why would grub need a gui?
[18:35] <FunnyMan3595> To change which OS is the boot default.
[18:35] <Catoptromancy> oh a grub config
[18:35] <FunnyMan3595> Right.
[18:35] <Catoptromancy> maybe in etc?
[18:36] <evil_tech> grub.conf
[18:36] <FunnyMan3595> Yeah, I know where the file is.
[18:36] <FunnyMan3595> I know how to handle it, but the people I'm handing the computer off to, not so much.
[18:38] <Catoptromancy> heh
[18:38] <Catoptromancy> Could make a GUI
[18:39] <evil_tech> or a script
[18:39] <FunnyMan3595> (and actually, it's not etc or even grub.conf (without a symlink), it's /boot/grub/menu.lst)
[18:39] <Catoptromancy> 2-3 buttons, that mv's a grub.conf to /etc and mv's out old one
[18:39] <FunnyMan3595> Yeah, I'd considered that.
[18:39] <Catoptromancy> pyglade i hear is easy
[18:39] <Catoptromancy> heh
[18:39] <FunnyMan3595> Think I'll probably just look up how to default it to the last one used.
[18:40] <Catoptromancy> if people can handle a simple terminal
[18:40] <FunnyMan3595> Or, rather, read the instructions in the file.
[18:40] <Catoptromancy> shell and symlink, $bootwindows   or $bootlinux
[18:40] <Catoptromancy> and those would swap the grub confs
[18:41] <Catoptromancy> or to get tricky you can have the app, actually edit grub.conf
[18:41] <anquietas> FunnyMan3595, zyes.
[18:41] <FunnyMan3595> These aren't techies.  Best to stay as simple as possible.
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[18:41] <Catoptromancy> as simple as possible?
[18:41] <Catoptromancy> 2 commands heh
[18:41] <zoredache> FunnyMan3595: I think grub includes a feature that lets it default ot the last used...
[18:41] <anquietas> In fact, FunnyMan3595, a terminal is way simpler than a GUI.
[18:41] <FunnyMan3595> No, no, non-techies.  People for whom "icon" is a vaguely-recognized word.
[18:41] <anquietas> I don't know why people fear typing.
[18:42] <zoredache> FunnyMan3595: if they fear the word 'icon', do you really think a dual-boot system is going to make them happy?
[18:42] <Catoptromancy> doesnt grub just list OSes anyway?
[18:44] <CarlFK> http://xubuntu.com shouldn't it mention it works better on low end hardware?
[18:44] <FunnyMan3595> zoredache: Why wouldn't it?  They don't know enough to see it as complicated.
[18:45] <FunnyMan3595> As long as the controls are easy and the memorization negligible, it's not hard on the user.
[18:46] <zoredache> FunnyMan3595: because if they don't understand it, they wouldn't understand why you had to reboot to use office...  A dual boot system doesn't allow for easy multitasking...  It will probably be more annoying to them, then useful
[18:49] <FunnyMan3595> The difference in speed is more than enough to make up for a little hassle.
[18:50] <FunnyMan3595> It's got 128MB of memory and XP.  Even Xubuntu isn't blazing, but it's a big improvement over the slow beast that is XP.
[18:50] <evil_tech> xp on 128
[18:50] <evil_tech> ***cries
[18:50] <zoredache> FunnyMan3595: I am speaking from a place of experience where I tried to put Linux on desktop... users whined too much, and just stayed in windows.  It was wasted effort.  If you can't completely switch them to linux you probably won't be able to switch them
[18:50] <evil_tech> i hope you nlited the heck out of your xp install
[18:51] <zoredache> FunnyMan3595: oh, and just a little hassel tends to be a big deal for users that don't care about catering to the need sof the computer and actually want to get their work done
[18:51] <FunnyMan3595> Meh, I needed Linux anyway so I had a stable place to clean XP from, and with the amount they use it, they'll never notice the disk space.
[18:58] <Cygnet> does anyone know how to get a failsafe boot please please pretty please
[18:59] <zoredache> at boot type press the esc key?  choose failsafe
[18:59] <Cygnet> at boot type?
[18:59] <zoredache> boot time*
[19:00] <zoredache> Cygnet: what is broken that you are trying to fix with a failsafe boot
[19:00] <Cygnet> I'm trying to install a new nvidia card and linux hangs during boot with the card installed
[19:01] <Cygnet> I'm trying to get a command prompt so I can do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and install the nvidia drivers
[19:02] <zoredache> reboot, and hit esc at the right time.  A message will appear on the screen at the right time for about 2 seconds
[19:03] <Cygnet> you mean go into the bios?
[19:03] <zoredache> no....  just reboot and watch closely.  you will see a message suggesting that you can press ESC
[19:04] <Cygnet> ok, I'll try that now
[19:04] <zoredache> it will be after the bios is done,
[19:05] <Cygnet> it went into grub, I didn't see any press ESC messages
[19:06] <Cygnet> I've tried choosing the recovery mode option, it hangs
[19:06] <zoredache> so you did get the grub menu?
[19:06] <Cygnet> yes
[19:07] <zoredache> ah well, that would probably mean the kernel doesn't like the video card.  You may be able to fix things from the grub menu by disabling apm, acpi, or sending some other kernel option...  But I don't know what
[19:09] <Cygnet> a few posts on the forums suggest disabling the intel graphics drivers but what if that doesn't work, am I stuck with no graphics at all then and no way to fix it?
[19:11] <zoredache> Well, you could install another video card to get the system to boot, or you could try booting from a livecd of some sort...
[19:12] <Cygnet> true...
[19:13] <Cygnet> in a total disaster situation without any graphics drivers at all, would I still be able to get 640x480x256?
[19:14] <zoredache> ok, tell me this.. what is the last thing that shows up on your screen?
[19:15] <Cygnet> if I try to boot linux, you mean?
[19:15] <zoredache> yes....
[19:16] <iowa> hi, my "run-thingy" (alt+f2) isnt working (not showing upp when i press the combination), anyone know what the reason could be?
[19:16] <Cygnet> with graphical boot, it goes partway and the progress bar gets stuck, in recovery mode I get a bunch of boot messages and then it gets stuck
[19:16] <Cygnet> I don't know what the last set of boot messages it gives me means
[19:16] <zoredache> well in the recovery mode what is the last message...  read it and write it in here
[19:17] <Cygnet> the very last line is [750.209665] [19:18] <zoredache> ... how about telling me the last message that has words...
[19:18] <Cygnet> before that is [750.209531] [<c010432e>] work_notifysig+0x13/0x25
[19:19] <Cygnet> I have a whole screen full of stuff like that
[19:20] <zoredache> hrm... that message seems to indicate a kernel dump..
[19:22] <zoredache> your choices probably are either take out the card, or find someone who knows what kernel paramaters you need to send to let the kernel boot clean...
[19:23] <zoredache> oh, or you could try installing an older or newer version of ubuntu I guess.  Perhaps a different kernel will boot
[19:23] <Cygnet> I do still have a few feisty kernels in the list
[19:23] <zoredache> have you tried them...
[19:23] <zoredache> if not, then try one
[19:23] <Cygnet> no, only the latest one
[19:24] <mokok> Hi all! Hi have a little problem when trying to repeat audio-cd on my system. The system will not mount it and Totem plays only the first song of the CD. First I get an "Unknown error" and then "Invalid mount option when attempted to mount the volume". What's wrong?
[19:27] <zoredache> mokok: what is a 'repeast audio-cd', and why are you trying to mount and audio cd?
[19:28] <mokok> zoredache: My system automaticly tried to mount it
[19:28] <Cygnet> I tried 2.6.20 and 2.6.17, neither of them are booting either
[19:29] <Cygnet> I guess I'll have to take out the card and ask on the forums about it
[21:01] <Ben_cs> hello
[21:01] <Ben_cs> any one comparfed xubuntu to mint 4 with xfce?
[21:03] <evil_tech> no though i have been meaning to
[21:03] <Viper550> Just wondering, if you were to install the Xubuntu packages on Ubuntu Gutsy through xubuntu-desktop, will it change the usplash artwork and all that too?
[21:10] <TheSheep> Viper550: no
[21:11] <TheSheep> Viper550: you need to run update-alternatives and rebuild your initrd for that
[21:11] <Viper550> Okay
[21:19] <Ben_cs> for some reason i've been thinking i've seen best eye candy with xfce. might i've been mistaken, and what i really saw was kde made to look like xfce (small pannel)?
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> Panels are very customizable
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> in both
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> I can probably make default Xfce look like kde
[21:21] <Ben_cs> i have to experiment with editing a file. no gui tool for that right?
[21:21] <Catoptromancy> its easy
[21:21] <Catoptromancy> right click panel, add items or panel properties
[21:22] <Ben_cs> someone here gave me a link to explanation about editing the pannel file. i should try that later on
[21:22] <Catoptromancy> settings > user interface settings
[21:22] <Catoptromancy> settings > desktop settings
[21:22] <Catoptromancy> 3 places to make it look alot different
[21:22] <Catoptromancy> I made a guest account
[21:22] <Catoptromancy> it looks exactly like Windows
[21:22] <Ben_cs> Catoptromancy: yes but most of the difference is made by pannel
[21:23] <Catoptromancy> even windows
[21:23] <Catoptromancy> with the Settings options
[21:23] <Catoptromancy> panels are layed out in panel option
[21:23] <Catoptromancy> but theme is in use interface and desktop settings
[21:24] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy: if you desire some serious eye candy, look at awn :)
[21:24] <Catoptromancy> lol me eye candy?
[21:24] <Nap> fellas
[21:24] <Nap> perhaps you can help
[21:24] <Nap> i just installed xubuntu w/ grub on the default hd0
[21:24] <Nap> and... grub doesn't load
[21:25] <Nap> ?_?
[21:25] <TheSheep> Nap: what does it say?
[21:25] <Ben_cs> here's an example of cool pannel: http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Blubuntu-Aurora?content=62176
[21:25] <Nap> welp the installation finished
[21:25] <Nap> i just have no boot options, itjust goes into my windowsxp
[21:25] <TheSheep> !grub
[21:25] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[21:26] <TheSheep> Ben_cs: that may be awn or the kde dock
[21:26] <Nap> grr i already looked at that haha
[21:26] <Ben_cs> TheSheep: it says gtk theme
[21:26] <TheSheep> Nap: tried the 'recover grub' option?
[21:27] <Ben_cs> !awn
[21:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:27] <Ben_cs> what's awn
[21:27] <TheSheep> Ben_cs: but it's not a gnome/xfce panel
[21:27] <Ben_cs> ?
[21:27] <TheSheep> Ben_cs: avant windows navigator
[21:28] <Nap> thesheep, where?
[21:28] <Ben_cs> ok
[21:28] <Nap> in recoveringubuntuafterinstallingwindows?
[21:28] <Ben_cs> will check
[21:28] <Ben_cs> thanks
[21:28] <TheSheep> Nap: yes
[21:28] <Nap> wll i read through it lol
[21:28] <Nap> what a pain =(
[21:29] <Nap> is grub even supposed to install?
[21:29] <TheSheep> if reading causes you pain...
[21:29] <Nap> hah i mean all the steps
[21:29] <Nap> there was never an error or anything
[21:29] <Nap> grub just doesn't install most of the time?
[21:30] <TheSheep> Nap: no, it installs
[21:30] <Nap> i've just sifted through the forums & those grub docs and it seems like it doesnt ;)
[21:30] <TheSheep> Nap: most of the time
[21:31] <TheSheep> Nap: well, then we all must be booting into linux by means of magic
[21:31] <Nap> is there a way to know what exactly didn't go right for my instal?
[21:31] <TheSheep> Nap: yes, read the install log
[21:31] <Catoptromancy> http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9692/snapshot27ha2.png
[21:31] <Catoptromancy> mmm eye candy
[21:32] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy: looks good
[21:32] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy: except for some details
[21:32] <Catoptromancy> details?
[21:32] <Catoptromancy> heh
[21:32] <Nap> hm where's the install log?
[21:33] <TheSheep> Nap: in /var/log in your installed system, you can get there with the livecd
[21:33] <scizzo-> http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/72087-heroes-black_uxga.jpg
[21:34] <scizzo-> thats about the most enjoyable wallpaper I have seen
[21:35] <TheSheep> so. much. gloss.
[21:35] <Nap> ah i just installed the ext2 drivers for windows, how can i tell which .log it'd be?
[21:35] <Nap> dpkg.log
[21:35] <TheSheep> seriously, what's with all this gloss, am I the only one who doesn't like it?
[21:35] <TheSheep> installer.log
[21:35] <TheSheep> probably
[21:36] <TheSheep> sorry
[21:36] <TheSheep> installer subdirectory
[21:37] <scizzo-> TheSheep: yeah but the image is fun though
[21:37] <Nap> hmm i can't find anything to do with grub
[21:37] <Nap> in the other log i found "01:03:48 status installed grub"
[21:38] <TheSheep> Nap: say, do you have something like 'virus protection' enabled in bios?
[21:38] <scizzo-> Nap: did you use lilo before or did you do a linux install and then the win install?
[21:38] <TheSheep> Nap: or 'read only bootsector'?
[21:39] <Nap> thesheep, hmm i'll have to check
[21:39] <Ben_cs> wow e17 looks nice
[21:39] <Ben_cs> so sexy
[21:39] <TheSheep> Ben_cs: only on the surface
[21:39] <TheSheep> Ben_cs: tinfoil and plaster
[21:39] <Nap> scizzo-, i never used lilo, i had winxp installed before xubun
[21:40] <Ben_cs> TheSheep, you mean it looks nice, but works badly?
[21:41] <TheSheep> Ben_cs: no, I mean it looks nice until you move something or click on something
[21:41] <TheSheep> Ben_cs: don't know how it works actually
[21:41] <Nap> i shall return !
[21:42] <Ben_cs> what happens when u move something?
[21:42] <TheSheep> Ben_cs: rough edges appear :)
[21:43] <Ben_cs> oh
[21:43] <TheSheep> Ben_cs: at list it was so lat time I checked, last year
[21:43] <Ben_cs> i can install e17 from repos right? in addition to xfce?
[21:44] <TheSheep> I don't know
[21:44] <node_6> hi all
[21:45] <node_6> I'm just installed xubuntu 7.0 from the CD. When it boots gdm will not start
[21:45] <Ben_cs> i'm going to sleep
[21:45] <Ben_cs> good night all
[21:45] <node_6> the screen flashes to garbage, then back to HUGE font cli, then back to garbage, etc.
[21:46] <TheSheep> node_6: press alt+ctrl+f1 to get to the console
[21:46] <node_6> eventually it says that it has shutdown too many times and will wait 2 minutes to try again
[21:46] <node_6> there are no (EE)'s in X's log except for  "Screen 0 is not DRI capable"
[21:47] <node_6> yes, TheSheep
[21:47] <node_6> (I'm in recovery mode now)
[21:47] <TheSheep> node_6: try commenting out dri in /etc/X11/xorg
[21:47] <TheSheep> .conf
[21:48] <node_6> there is no such line
[21:49] <node_6> X starts just fine (startx) from recovery mode
[21:49] <node_6> it just won't come up via gdm in normal boot mode
[21:50] <TheSheep> node_6: run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and disable dri in there
[21:53] <node_6> completed. rebooting now
[21:54] <TheSheep> no need to reboot :/
[21:54] <node_6> yep.  works well now
[21:54] <node_6> ty TheSheep
[21:55] <TheSheep> :)
[21:57] <Lap> ahh windows keeps locking up... hence the main reason i'm installing linux
[21:57] <Lap> anyway thesheep, my bios didnt have those settings
[21:57] <Lap> this is Nap btw
[21:59] <TheSheep> Lap: hmm. you might try luck with lilo instead
[21:59] <TheSheep> !lilo
[21:59] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li]nux Boot[Lo]ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[21:59] <TheSheep> hm.. no howto :/
[21:59] <Lap> so whats the main reason for ubuntu favoring grub?
[22:00] <TheSheep> no idea
[22:02] <neur1> is lilo an option?
[22:03] <Lap> would having xubuntu installed on my primary slave (where my windows is too) be a possible problem?
[22:03] <somerville32> not especially, no
[22:04] <Lap> oh okay
[22:04] <Lap> so do i have to insatll lilo with my livecd?
[22:04] <Lap> install
[22:05] <TheSheep> Lap: you have it booted?
[22:05] <Lap> nope
[22:06] <Lap> in windows right now
[22:07] <TheSheep> so, first, you need to boot the live cd...
[22:15] <Viper550> Okay, having issues! I installed xubuntu-desktop so I could have XFCE, right? After I log off, I log back into Gnome, it works. I reboot, then go into Gnome, and it isn't working.
[22:29] <Lap> so there's no way to configure to boot to my linux using windows?
[22:38] <TheSheep> no
[23:32] <neur1> to refresh the screen . . . is there a command?
[23:33] <Tony_> i dont know