[01:04] <lns> has anyone had any progress with the 100% CPU Nautilus bug in Gutsy upon user logout?
[01:04] <lns> I can't seem to find the bug in LP
[04:19] <semaja2> howdy, anyone here able to help me?
[04:21] <HedgeMage> semaja2:  until we hear your question we won't know
[04:21] <HedgeMage> :)
[04:22] <semaja2> lol well applications like gcompris and tuxpaint have stopped working, they wont load
[04:22] <semaja2> the process starts but just doesnt start etc
[04:22] <semaja2> other apps like blackjack work tho
[04:22] <HedgeMage> that's odd
[04:22] <semaja2> id prefer not to reformat for this
[04:23] <HedgeMage> have you tried running them from a terminal to see if any errors are shown?
[04:23] <semaja2> yeh it starts but gets stuck
[04:23] <semaja2> in compris it gets upto the point where it says where the database is
[04:23] <semaja2> no errors tho
[04:27] <HedgeMage> hmm
[04:27] <semaja2> i did a reinstall of gcompris but didnt help
[04:30] <crimsun> LTNS, HedgeMage.
[04:35] <HedgeMage> crimsun:  yep, my life is back down to the usual level of insanity
[04:36] <crimsun> HedgeMage: good to read : )
[04:36] <HedgeMage> thanks :)
[08:45] <Bauer|> hi. How can I make edubuntu accept clients from other network-segments?
[08:46] <Bauer|> I changed the IP-adress to 10.84.8.10 and ran a ltsp-update-sshkeys
[08:46] <Bauer|> now edubuntu accepts clients from 10.84.8.*
[08:46] <Bauer|> but this is a server-segment, the schools is at 10.84.10.*/10.84.11* and so on
[08:46] <Bauer|> these are not accepted on logon...
[09:26] <Bauer|> ?? ltsp-update-sshkeys prints no result? Now I can't even log on from the same network-segment..
[14:29] <RichEd> hi anestis
[14:30] <anestis> hi Rich, sorry for the delay
[14:30] <RichEd> that's okay ... lets join #educonlinux
[14:30] <anestis> ok
[15:06] <nonsparker> Hey Guys
[15:16] <mcfloppy_> hello
[15:16] <mcfloppy_> how can i set in lts.conf which xorg config should be used?
[15:17] <mcfloppy_> [192.168.0.205]
[15:17] <mcfloppy_>    X_CONF = xorg.conf.dual
[15:17] <mcfloppy_> dont work
[15:17] <mcfloppy_> and with absolute path also dont work
[15:30] <steph_> I've installed gutsy and there is an applet for noetworking management. When I change properties (DHCP or anything else) it looks like I need to restart the network daemon. Am I wrong?
[15:31] <steph_> I have two interfaces (for ltsp)
[15:48] <bddebian> Heya
[17:50] <arnath01> hi, does edubuntu ship with any software that is suitable for teaching kids in primary school? (so ages 6-12)
[17:51] <arnath01> because i've been looking at the site a bit, and i seem to find tools for 12+ and 6- but little for in between (i might be overlooking something)
[17:56] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  there are a few good things -- off the top of my head, anagramarama (letter scramble game) and hangman come to mind, also fish fillet (logic ga
[17:56] <HedgeMage> ...logic game)
[17:56] <arnath01> ah :)
[17:57] <arnath01> my mother teaches in a primary school on a tight IT budget, i'm thinking of demonstrating edubuntu + thin clients
[17:57] <HedgeMage> cool
[17:57] <HedgeMage> where are you in the world?
[17:57] <arnath01> belgium
[17:57] <arnath01> HedgeMage: the thin clients require no hard disk at all correct?
[17:58] <HedgeMage> correct
[17:58] <HedgeMage> ahh, cool
[17:58] <arnath01> ah good, that saves a bit more money on each pc hehe :)
[18:00] <HedgeMage> if you are buying thin clients rather than stripping down old pcs, there are a few on the market that have very low power consumption and are small and cheap (think 200-350 USD each)
[18:00] <arnath01> o nice
[18:01] <arnath01> i haven't really decided yet if i should go for new ones or old ones (primarily because i'm not sure how many they would need and where i could get em all :))
[18:01] <HedgeMage> there are pros and cons to each
[18:02] <arnath01> true, but the cheapness of old ones overcomes the benefits of new ones in my opinion
[18:02] <arnath01> only problem is getting enough old ones :)
[18:02] <HedgeMage> you can usually get old machines donated that would serve well as thin clients, but they take up lots of space and power (usually 400 watts for an old pc vs. 5 watts for a thin client)
[18:02] <arnath01> ouch, didn't know it was that big a difference
[18:02] <HedgeMage> yep
[18:03] <johnny> hmm.. the PCs i'm using have 90watt power supplies, but i'm sure it can add up overtime
[18:03] <HedgeMage> that's not bad
[18:03] <arnath01> indeed
[18:03] <HedgeMage> it depends on how old the old pcs are ;)
[18:03] <arnath01> what's the best strategem for getting my hands on some screens?
[18:04] <arnath01> old ones as well?
[18:04] <arnath01> or is there like a cheap lcd screen that would be suited?
[18:04] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  it's hard (at least here) to find used monitors in working condition
[18:05] <HedgeMage> most people keep those until they die
[18:05] <arnath01> HedgeMage: indeed, i can attest to that with an 8 year old monitor that i bought second-hand back then :D
[18:05] <arnath01> (still works like a charm ;))
[18:05] <arnath01> but is there such a thing is a lowcost lcd screen? (that still has some resemblance of performance)
[18:05] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  if you're going to buy more than 5 or 10 at a shot, get ViewSonic or Sony or some other big company with a history of good educational discounts to assign you your own sales rep -- then milk them for every money saver they can think of
[18:06] <arnath01> HedgeMage: hehehe, do you know of a ballpark figure there?
[18:07] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  Depending on how many you are buying, you may be able to find something suitable at around 100 USD if you aren't too picky
[18:07] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  ymmv of course ;)
[18:07] <arnath01> ah ok :)
[18:07] <HedgeMage> but, investing in monitors doesn't hurt too much -- they tend to last forever
[18:08] <arnath01> HedgeMage: not the cheap ones ironically... :D
[18:08] <johnny> corporate folks on an upgrade cycle?
[18:08] <arnath01> and a decent one would be nearing the price of the entire thin client, which may be a bit overboard
[18:08] <arnath01> johnny: indeed, but how do you get in touch with those? :)
[18:08] <arnath01> is there like a national forum for companies dumping old equipment?
[18:08] <johnny> spend a few hours on phone calls i guess
[18:08] <arnath01> ah :P
[18:09] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  hmm -- I have a $140 lcd panel I bought in 1999 that is still going strong
[18:09] <johnny> good idea tho
[18:09] <arnath01> i'm in for a bit of fun i see ;)
[18:09] <johnny> thrift stores?
[18:09] <arnath01> HedgeMage: nice :o
[18:09] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  yep :)
[18:10] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  yay for bargain hunting! (that was REALLY cheap back then)
[18:10] <arnath01> indeed, back then lcd was a novelty :D
[18:10] <arnath01> johnny: hmm, not sure if we have an equivalent of that in belgium :p
[18:10] <HedgeMage> wow, my son is snoring, but his eyes are open, all glazed over watching a movie
[18:11] <johnny> arnath01, people don't donate their old items anywhere?
[18:11] <arnath01> johnny: "donate" not so much, second hand selling ye, but big companies don't post on those sites
[18:11] <johnny> they don't have that charitable guilt syndrome in belgium?
[18:11] <arnath01> johnny: (at least that i'm aware of)
[18:11] <johnny> not big companies
[18:11] <arnath01> they might, but then i'm totally oblivious of it :P
[18:12] <johnny> i was just speaking of individuals donating to thrift stores
[18:12] <johnny> or similiar that is
[18:12] <johnny> for religious support
[18:12] <arnath01> johnny: still not that i know off :P only the second hand shops
[18:12] <johnny> or charities that sell items from it
[18:12] <johnny> it's like a second hand shop people can write off on their taxes :)
[18:12] <arnath01> hah nice :)
[18:13] <johnny> no charitable writeoffs in belgium?
[18:13] <arnath01> hmm, i think that's a possibility, but i don't know of any large centers that handle it
[18:14] <arnath01> but i may simply be too ignorant on that subject :P
[18:14] <johnny> it's not usually a large thing, many charities have their own.. like for the hospital
[18:14] <HedgeMage> johnny:  I think most European countries do VAT instead of income tax
[18:15] <johnny> aha.. i always get confused about VAT
[18:15] <johnny> one day i'll actually need to know
[18:15] <arnath01> HedgeMage: up until just now, i thought that was the same hehe :)
[18:15] <arnath01> what's income tax then?
[18:15] <HedgeMage> johnny:  depending on how it's implemented, it can be better or worse than the US system -- but at least it's always less paperwork!
[18:15] <johnny> yeah.. that's what i want :)
[18:15] <johnny> lol
[18:16] <arnath01> :D
[18:16] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  In the US, you get taxed up to three times, depending on where you live...
[18:16] <arnath01> thats nasty :|
[18:17] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  first, you pay federal tax based on your income -- unfortunately, in all the years congress has made so many tax breaks and then other taxes to cover them (they try to use tax incentives to create social policy) that the tax code is tens of thousands of pages long
[18:18] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  so it's a horribly complicated process, and anyone who has the money to hire a good tax professional can pay a lot less than their fare share (which everyone else has to make up)
[18:18] <johnny> well.. some of them are good
[18:19] <johnny> like credits for going to college
[18:19] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  then, every state has its own sales tax (but they don't have the power to tax inter-state transactions, so many also have a state income tax to make up for it)
[18:19] <johnny> yes.. state income tax.. yay
[18:19] <johnny> lol
[18:19] <HedgeMage> johnny:  that could be done outside the tax code though
[18:20] <johnny> needa debug it like an open source project.. sadly the compile time is too long ...
[18:20] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  then, each local govornment (at the city, township, or county level) has a property tax that all landowners pay
[18:20] <johnny> it's like 1000 times longer than openoffice
[18:20] <johnny> on a 486
[18:20] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  based on the value of the property and where it is located
[18:21] <HedgeMage> johnny:  I think all laws should be submitted as patches under revision control (preferably git)
[18:21] <HedgeMage> ;)
[18:21] <johnny> wikis are easier for them to use
[18:21] <johnny> merging branches would be difficult :)
[18:22] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  anyhow, the tax codes in the US are horribly complicated, and large companies will do anything for a tax break (as both companies and the people who own them pay tax on income)
[18:22] <arnath01> damn hehe
[18:22] <johnny> and if you work for yourself... 15% here in maryland
[18:22] <arnath01> sometimes you just wish they'd start off with a clean slate ;)
[18:22] <HedgeMage> johnny:  it's far worse in Illinois
[18:23] <johnny> start our own country..
[18:23] <arnath01> we have the same problem in belgium, though possibly in a different way, the short of it is that taxes are simply too complex
[18:23] <arnath01> and getting exponentially more so each year it seems
[18:25] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  someone I'm having a related convo with wants to know if donations to charitable organizations in Belgium are taxed, and if charitable organizations pay tax on anything
[18:28] <arnath01> HedgeMage: heh, not a clue really
[18:29] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  okay :)
[18:29] <HedgeMage> we were debating the current US tax system vs "fair tax" (a system proposed for use in Indiana) vs Euro-style VAT
[18:30] <arnath01> "fair tax", a contradiction if ever i heard one :P
[18:30] <HedgeMage> heh
[18:31] <HedgeMage> basically, it's a VAT with charitable organizations being exempt, and a flat prebate to even the playing field a bit between the impoverished and everyone else
[18:31] <HedgeMage> I think it sounds interesting, though I'm not sold on it yet
[18:32] <arnath01> i don't know nearly enough on the subject to take an educated stance, but it does seem to be nice :)
[18:33] <arnath01> in belgium they are considering to fill in the tax papers before sending them to the people (at least fill in the draft)
[18:33] <arnath01> so unless you have a reason to think it's wrong, you could just copy it
[18:33] <arnath01> now that would be a sweet idea
[18:33] <HedgeMage> heh
[18:34] <arnath01> it does not solve the real problem, i know :D
[18:34] <arnath01> but it solves MY problem :D
[18:34] <HedgeMage> :)
[18:38] <arnath01> HedgeMage: should i be interested in helping translation efforts for edubuntu, any idea where to start?
[18:39] <HedgeMage> arnath01:  I'd start by checking out the translator team on launchpad.net -- I'm afraid I don't recall it's name, though
[18:39] <arnath01> ah will have a look :)
[18:39] <HedgeMage> (I only know English and a little ASL, so not very useful there)
[18:40] <arnath01> :)
[18:43] <arnath01> ah, why does a day only have 24 hours, there's so much i want to do :<
[18:43] <HedgeMage> I know the feeling
[18:46] <HedgeMage> hi ced37
[18:47] <ced37> Hi, hows things?
[18:47] <HedgeMage> okay, I guess
[18:48] <ced37>  Good, Im just checking this irc out for the first time, I have a 15 pc edu install im tinkering with at the moment, in my classroom
[18:49] <HedgeMage> cool
[18:50] <ced37> Yeah, the kids like it, I had a few problems with my older thin clients upgrading to 7.10. but 7.04 is wonderful!
[18:53] <ced37> Alrighty then, hakuna matata, and keep fighting the good fight, better get some breakfast, chow for now!
[19:31] <judgement> hello i need help w/multiseat and thin client
[23:17] <steph_> Sorry if you read the same message on another channel. I've send it 10 minutes ago.
[23:17] <steph_>  Ok, I'll try to explain my problem (which I don't understand that much). I have 2 network intefaces: one goes to the web, the other to the router. If I ping the router, it says "Destination Host Unreachable". I'm on the same subnet. When I try to admin the router from a M$, everything is well (conclusion: the router works). Do I have to setup something like firewall, conf file or something else ? Any help would be appreciated.
[23:17] <steph_> Thanks
[23:18] <steph_> I'm running Gutsy