[00:04] <EvanCarroll> will heron have perl5.10?
[00:09] <h3sp4wn> EvanCarroll: Unlikely
[00:10] <Tomcat_> EvanCarroll: Quite unlikely, yes... it currently has 5.8.8 and we're beyond repo freeze.
[00:13] <Tomcat_> EvanCarroll: Also, hardy is an LTS release; Perl 5.10 has been out for two days. I wouldn't consider that stable. ;P
[00:29] <bigdog_> any ETA on alpha2  ?  No problem if it is delayed, just trying to block out time for an intall.
[00:29] <bigdog_> s/install
[00:31] <tonyyarusso> Usually if an alpha gets delayed it will be one or two days; anything more than three would be easier to just skip that one.
[00:32] <onechard> anyone with problems with forcedeth after latest kernel update
[00:35] <bigdog_> tonyyarusso: Thanks,  Looks like I will work on my wife's todo list tonight :-)
[00:36] <tumbleweed__> latest kernel update screwed everything up for me
[00:36] <tumbleweed__> can't even logon unless I use the single option in grub, and that logs me on a root with no daemons
[01:10] <tretle> hey
[01:11] <tretle> can anyone tell me if the desktop effects is broken?
[01:12] <tonyyarusso> Well, it is for me, but that's been the case since the concept was first thought up ;)
[01:12] <tonyyarusso> (yay ati.....)
[01:13] <infinitycircuit> tretle, it depends on your graphics card...it works fine for me here with an nvidia geforce 5200
[01:13] <tretle> i have 7600gs
[01:13] <tretle> and when i try and enable it asks to fix broken packages first
[01:14] <tretle> Could not apply changes!
[01:14] <tretle> Fix broken packages first
[01:14] <tretle> to be exact
[01:14] <tretle> thats when i try and enable the restricted driver
[01:14] <infinitycircuit> what is the result of "sudo apt-get install -f" followed by a reboot
[01:14] <infinitycircuit> and a dist-upgrade
[01:15] <tretle> and when i try and fix them in synaptic it doesnt do anything
[01:16] <tretle> wait and i'll check
[01:16] <tretle> bbs
[01:22] <tretle> hey
[01:23] <tretle> what did u mean by the dist upgrade after the reboot?
[01:24] <tretle> brb
[01:25] <tretle> yeah that did nothing
[01:26] <tretle> if its any help when i upgraded to hardy I was missing apps like firefox
[01:26] <tretle> and evrything openoffice bar word preocessor
[01:30] <infinitycircuit> tretle, i meant "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[01:30] <tretle> yeah
[01:30] <tretle> I remembered the command
[01:30] <infinitycircuit> tretle, and if it gives an error message could you pastebin it
[01:30] <tretle> havnt used ubuntu in awhile
[01:31] <tretle> it just give a success log for both
[01:32] <tretle> the done, done done, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 remove and 0 not upgraded
[01:32] <infinitycircuit> tretle, so it only gives the error when you try to install the restricted drivers
[01:32] <tretle> yep
[01:32] <tretle> synaptic runs without giving the error
[01:33] <infinitycircuit> tretle, oh i see now the glx packages are on hold
[01:33] <infinitycircuit> tretle, because of the new kernel
[01:33] <infinitycircuit> tretle, i think your problem will get resolved in a few days
[01:34] <tretle> oh cool
[01:34] <tretle> what about firefox and openoffice uninstalling when i upgraded to hardy
[01:35] <tretle> common problem?
[01:35] <infinitycircuit> tretle, that was related to a missing library for apt which got fixed a couple of days ago
[01:36] <infinitycircuit> tretle, if you try reinstalling ubuntu-desktop that should fix the problem, or you can manually reinstall the missing packages
[01:36] <tretle> what exatly got uninstalled so i may reinstall them?
[01:36] <infinitycircuit> tretle, i don't know sorry
[01:37] <tretle> what command for reinstall ubuntu desktop?
[01:37] <voidmage> aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop?
[01:37] <tretle> i just installed and upgraded to hardy a few hours ago
[01:37] <infinitycircuit> one sec
[01:41] <tretle> cool
[01:42] <tretle> lol.... by the way I think the linux kernel update is out :D
[01:55] <tretle> restart
[01:56] <tretle> brb
[02:01] <tretle> back
[02:26] <tretle> any idea as to when the gtk transparency plugins might make it to hardy?
[02:27] <telexicon> release party
[02:27] <bigdog_> telexicon: Is Alpha 2 done?
[02:27]  * bigdog_   .... checking web site
[02:28] <bigdog_> :-(
[02:28] <bigdog_> release party false alarm....
[02:28]  * telexicon checks email
[02:28] <telexicon> i shouldve put up a ??
[02:28] <bigdog_> ahhh, that is fair
[03:00]  * Pici wonders why alpha 2 release is so important
[03:02] <Pici> Well.. I guess since its an actual CD image... /me stops talking to himself
[03:58]  * DanaG has no audio when wine-ing WoW.
[04:06] <bazhang> wine has broken several individuals' audio iirc
[04:08]  * Hobbsee would suggest cycling thru the various wine audio options, and seeing if any of those work first, *before* coming in here adn saying it's broken
[04:08] <bazhang> not me, just reporting others in response to poster above
[04:11] <DanaG> I've tried ALSA, OSS, and ESD.
[04:11] <DanaG> Oh, and I'm using PulseAudio.
[04:12] <DanaG> That's probably part of it -- but even using pasuspender and oss doesn't work.
[04:13] <h3sp4wn> Try oss4 then you don't need any of that anyway
[04:13] <DanaG> oss4?
[04:13] <DanaG> And will it work with PulseAudio?
[04:14] <DanaG> I DO need pulseaudio, due to having multiple sound devices.
[04:20] <Hobbsee> WFM
[04:28] <DanaG> wfm?
[04:29] <Hobbsee> works for me
[04:29] <tumbleweed__> ok
[04:29] <tumbleweed__> how do I convince hardy that I have a laptop
[04:29] <DanaG> WOW with Wine with PulseAudio?
[04:29] <tumbleweed__> I'm not allowed to acces the trashcan, and dbus is borked
[04:29] <tumbleweed__> ;/
[04:30] <tumbleweed__> also, no power monitoring
[04:30] <tumbleweed__> [   18.856001] ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initramfs... error, file /DSDT.aml not found.
[04:30] <tumbleweed__> that was in dmesg
[04:32] <crimsun> DanaG: what does wine do in the presence of solely ALSA?
[04:32] <tumbleweed__> [   21.058968] /build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/drivers/rtc/hctosys.c: unable to open rtc device (rtc0)
[04:34] <Hobbsee> DanaG: i think so, yes.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> DanaG: it's the deafults, i think pulse got used as default
[04:34] <DanaG> Hmm, even without PulseAudio, Wine ALSA is silent for WoW.
[04:35] <tumbleweed__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49118/ <--- probably explains why my multimedia keys aren't working
[04:37] <crimsun> DanaG: and using Wine OSS with ALSA's OSS emulation?
[04:37] <DanaG> Yeah, I think so.
[04:37] <DanaG> yup.
[04:39] <crimsun> is it particular to Wine, or is all audio borked?
[04:41] <DanaG> It's just WoW, actually.
[05:03] <IdleOne> why does my terminal icon oj my panel have a $ sign in it
[05:04] <IdleOne> ?
[05:04] <IdleOne> s/oj/on
[05:18] <taggie> does anybody know what's going on with ati(fglrx) support in hardy? I've got two machines with radeon mobility cards (a firegl5200 and X1400) and neither is able to do anything with accellerated graphics. only Vesa or fbdev works
[05:24] <DarkMageZ> taggie, works here on ati 9600se. odd.
[05:40] <taggie> darkmagez, you're using fglrx? if so, did you have to manually add it? gutsy used to jump up and down and make me use the restricted driver mgr. i don't even see that in hardy
[05:41] <DarkMageZ> i can switch between ati & fglrx by using the restricted drivers manager. atm i'm on ati due to a minor glitch in fglrx.
[05:41] <DarkMageZ> i don't know why restricted-driver-manager isn't detecting your x1400 tho
[05:42] <taggie> interesting, i just checked synaptic and restricted driver manager wasn't installed by default. must be a new hardy thing
[05:42] <DarkMageZ> should have been installed by default :S
[05:43] <taggie> i installed it, and now it says the ati is checked enabled but in the status column says "not in use" same goes for my ipw3495
[05:44] <taggie> strange and wonderful things alphas are :)
[06:00] <bazhang> 3945 does not work for you?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> who? me?
[06:05] <bazhang> ah no, sorry Hobbsee; I was referring to taggie
[06:06] <Hobbsee> ahh
[06:06] <Hobbsee> mine does, but has no LED
[06:06] <bazhang> odd.
[06:07]  * Hobbsee found the bug
[10:06] <Dan> broken heron lol
[10:07] <pvandewyngaerde> what broke ?
[10:07] <Dan> gdm
[10:08] <Dan> must have been after the last batch of updates
[10:10] <Dan>  /etc/gdm/failsafeXServer: line 47: [:too many arguments
[10:11] <Dan> i'll have a fiddle
[10:13] <tobias> hi! i just upgraded to 2.6.24 and installed iwl3945 uCode to get my intel-wireless card running. Hibernation/Suspend finally work! But after waking up, my WiFi card is gone. ifconfig eth1 up is no use. Any tipp how to proceed? Thank you!
[10:18] <bardyr> any news about alpha 2
[10:18] <bardyr> ?
[10:19] <pvandewyngaerde> tobias:  is there a Wifi light, so that you can see it is on ?
[10:21] <tobias> pvandewyngaerde: Yes, there is. It is running & manual network-overview shows that it is there. But NetWorkMananger doesn't seem to care. Restarting dbus helps... sort of... How could I automate restarting network-manager on wake-up?
[10:46] <Areli1> Will Hardy Heron be based on Debian Etch?
[10:49] <bardyr> Areli1, no unstable
[10:50] <hit> still no alpha 2?
[10:50] <bardyr> hit, nope
[10:50] <hit> :/
[10:50] <bardyr> im waiting too :/
[10:50] <hit> my alpha 1 still keeps freezing
[10:51] <bardyr> hmm so did mine
[10:51] <bardyr> but gutsy did  it more
[10:51] <hit> not anymore?
[10:52] <bardyr> switched to feisty
[10:52] <hit> gutsy was fine for me, no freezes at all
[10:52] <hit> now processes keep running but screen locks up or smth
[10:52] <bardyr> im hoping with the new X and kernel it should be fixed
[10:53] <hit> i can move cursor tho
[10:53] <bardyr> i cant even move the cursor
[10:55] <hit> i've noticed that there is more freezes when running firefox
[10:55] <Areli1> bardyr: you mean above Etch?
[10:55] <hit> and just then when switching from one window to another
[10:55] <bardyr> Areli1, yea they merge SID
[10:56] <Areli1> bardyr: alright. And what is Gutsy based on?
[10:56] <bardyr> Areli1, SID
[10:57] <bardyr> Areli1, http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/
[10:57] <Areli1> bardyr: Sarge?
[10:57] <Areli1> I mean, from the time before or after sarge?
[10:57] <bardyr> after
[10:57] <Areli1> before or after Etch?
[10:58] <bardyr> after but i think Etch was released before
[10:58] <bardyr> Areli1, read http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/
[11:32] <cypherdelic> What about NVidia 169.07 and restricted-modules-generic and nvidia-glx-new, will it be updated soon???
[11:35] <bardyr> cypherdelic, all restricted modules are going to be compiled against the latest kernel but im not sure about the new nvidia driver
[11:35] <bardyr> !info nvidia-glx-new
[11:35] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.19+2.6.24.2-2.7 (hardy), package size 4896 kB, installed size 14844 kB
[11:35] <cypherdelic> this is current
[11:36] <cypherdelic> but it has bad dependencies
[11:36] <cypherdelic> requieres xserver-xorg-core (1:0.99.0-1)
[11:36] <cypherdelic> when i try to install nvidia-glx-new synaptic wants to remove xserver
[11:42] <bardyr> hmm
[11:42] <bardyr> !info xserver-xorg-core
[11:42] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-core: Xorg X server - core server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.1~git20071212-1ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 3982 kB, installed size 10904 kB
[12:26] <kaur> any news about alpha2
[12:26] <kaur> ?
[12:27] <bardyr> nope
[12:49] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A session in 11 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[14:26] <bsm> hi, anyone installed kernel 2.6.24 with a core 2 duo? Are you too having about 1000 wackeups ( powertop ) by "rescheduling interrupts"?
[14:26] <bsm> i disabled dual core now and am at ~50wakeups
[14:26] <bsm> as it should be
[14:28] <Pici> bsm: I'm getting ~500/5sec on AC power and wifi.
[14:29] <bsm> pici thats also a lot... who is causing them?
[14:30] <Pici> mpd, firefox-bin
[14:31] <Mohero> Hi all.
[14:31] <bardyr> any news on alpha2?
[14:32] <bsm> pici thats a different problem
[14:32] <Pici> bsm: I'm ssh'ed in right now so I can't unplug and or do any testing.
[14:32] <Pici> bsm: Rescheduling Interupts are 3rd on the list
[14:49] <Mohero> I have a question regarding bug "132877" which I reported back in September, regarding the USPLASH on GeForce 8 series cards, my monitor still goes out of sync when booting (which is quite frustrating) so I don't know if it's booting or not, the bug is still classed as NEW, I just really want to know if anything is ever going to happen with it, as it was in the Alpha Gutsy releases that I reported it (when I got my new 8 Series card)
[14:50] <Pici> bug 132877
[14:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132877 in ubuntu "Gforce 8 series screen blanks "out of sync" during usplash boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132877
[14:51] <Mohero> yep, that one, has any of the developers even looked at it? as there's no signs of it at the moment...
[14:51] <bsm> Mohero: mine gets out of sync when I stop kdm... yours is right from the start out of sync?
[14:51] <Mohero> yes, after Grub, during the boot process.
[14:52] <Mohero> when X comes up, the monitor comes up again.
[14:52] <bsm> did you try disabling splash? :)
[14:52] <Mohero> so it's only during the Usplash, and also while shutting down.
[14:52] <Pici> Mohero: Have you tried changing your framebuffer modes?
[14:52] <Pici> !fb
[14:52] <ubotu> Information about changing your framebuffer modes in GRUB can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer#grub
[14:52] <Mohero> yes, disabling the splash I can "see" the boot process, but it would be nice to have usplash working.
[14:53] <Pici> Nono, I mean setting a new vga=something mode.
[14:54] <Mohero> Pici: no I haven't. I'll have a go at this when I get home, but as it doesn't work and the monitor goes out of sync, and I'm not the only one that has the problem, and out of the box it has the problem, i'd still class it as a bug ;) though I'll let you knwo the results of thanging the FB from Grub.
[14:55] <Mohero> I come from a Gentoo background, so I should be familiar with setting that up, maybe I should try a Gentoo install to work out what's going on, and if it's a problem with the FrameBuffer Driver for the NVidia Cards.
[14:55] <Pici> Mohero: I think that the bug might be duplicate, because I have heard of the issue before /me looks
[14:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi there
[14:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am running hardy
[14:56] <Pici> Hi there, so am I
[14:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> synaptics touchpad is not working and.... *aaargh* where is the Xorg configuration file :)?
[14:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> There is no synaptics in logs so I think I should enable it somewhere but not in /etc/X11/xorg.conf it seems
[14:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> also for the tablet, how does one enable input devices in xorg, with this new infrastructure I heard about
[14:58] <Mohero> Le-Chuck_ITA: the Xorg Config file is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have no such
[14:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> really I am not joking
[14:58] <Mohero> really.? hold on.
[14:58] <bsm> you are running X, are you?
[14:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes!
[14:58] <bsm> :D
[14:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I heard about this new configless X infrastructure
[14:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but I don't know, may be I can just copy my old config file and X will use that
[14:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but you all really have xorg.conf in hardy? If so, that's strange
[14:59] <Mohero> it still uses xorg.conf, it just uses some defaults, so if it breaks then it will still boot.
[15:00] <Mohero> i'm just booting my laptop and i'll tell you.
[15:00] <Mohero> :)
[15:00] <Pici> I have one, but I dont know if its using it
[15:00] <bardyr> Le-Chuck_ITA, just make and xorg.conf file
[15:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[15:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> md5sum: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[15:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> eheh
[15:01] <Mohero> I'm sure mine is in use, I know I've edited it on my home desktop, for my multi-screen Nvidia setup, something that the GUI's aren't too clever at setting up :)
[15:01] <Pici> Le-Chuck_ITA: How about without -plow
[15:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> did that
[15:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> you see
[15:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I did not "sudo X :1 -configure"
[15:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so that I can copy the file
[15:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> however that's strange
[15:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what component should be responsible of configuring touchpad?
[15:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I mean "i did now"
[15:04] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok logging out and in again
[15:05] <Mohero> Le-Chuck_ITA: Section "InputDevice"
[15:05] <Mohero> Identifier  "Synaptics Touchpad"
[15:05] <Mohero> Driver      "Synaptics"
[15:05] <Mohero> Option      "SendCoreEvents"    "True"
[15:06] <Mohero> Option      "Device"    "/dev/psaux"
[15:06] <Mohero> Option      "Protocal"  "auto-dev"
[15:06] <Mohero> Option      "HorizScrollDelta"    "0"
[15:06] <Mohero> End Section
[15:06] <bsm> too late ^^
[15:06] <Mohero> d'oh
[15:06] <Mohero> :)
[16:20] <EvanCarroll> Tomcat_: perl 5.10 has been in beta for 2years. I would consider it stable =(
[16:21] <EvanCarroll> Darn that stinks =[ was hoping to see 5.10
[16:27] <Pici> EvanCarroll: In an LTS?
[16:34] <bigdog_> any ETA for alpha 2?  Is it targeted for today, or will it need to slip until next year?
[16:36] <bardyr> hopefully not
[16:37] <bigdog_> bardyr: I understand if it slips,  It is software :-)
[16:38] <bardyr> bigdog_, yea and we can always use the live builds
[16:38] <bigdog_> I have a slow internet connection, and am just trying to save an upgrade step
[16:39] <bigdog_> bardyr: If it goes until next year,  I will go ahead and do the two step
[16:40] <Pici> Can either of you explain to me what the big deal about it actually hitting Alpha 2 is?
[16:41] <Pici> Do you want ISO images? Or something specific that was a milestone for Alpha 2?
[16:41] <bardyr> Pici, the first alpha with kernel 2.6.24
[16:41] <bardyr> and i want and iso
[16:41] <Pici> bardyr: But you can install alpha 1 and upgrade.
[16:41] <bardyr> yea but too lazy
[16:42] <bigdog_> Pici:  I am looking to install studio on an  AMD 790FX motherboard, so I am looking for the latest and greatest with a minimal download (one iso)
[16:42] <Pici> Okay, just curious.
[16:43] <bigdog_> Pici: I don't really want to go through two downloads for a new install
[16:43] <bigdog_> Pici: If I was currently running Alpha 1, it would not be such a big deal to me
[16:47] <EvanCarroll> Pici: yes, more so because it is lts.
[16:47] <EvanCarroll> who wants to use software that is needing update now, in 5yrs.
[16:48] <Pici> Is it still beta now?
[16:52] <EvanCarroll> No perl 5.10 was released on ?wed?. It is considered stable.
[16:54] <Pici> EvanCarroll: This past wednesday?
[16:54] <EvanCarroll> Perl and Postgres have a pretty good trackrecord for using the word "stable". Postgres is in beta3, it will probably be released soonish too. Perl 5.10 is the first version with additional features in 5yrs.
[16:54] <EvanCarroll> Pici: yes.
[16:56] <EvanCarroll> Pg is comming upon 8.3 which will have the first significant improvements since 8.0, including Full-Text-Search, and Perl 5.10 includes neat things like switch statements, state variables, and better threading supporting, it also has a smaller memmory footprint, and a quicker execution because of the removal of cruft
[16:59] <Mohero> Hi, again Pici: did you find out if my bug (132877) about the monitor going out of sync is duplicated?
[16:59] <Pici> Mohero: I didnt.
[17:00] <EvanCarroll> Pg 8.3 really has too much stuff to name but it remains unseen when it will be declaired stable before the last call date of Jan or whenever it is
[17:03] <Mohero> Pici: ok, if you hear anything, just let me know. or if you could link my bug if you notice that would be appreciated. :)
[23:59] <telexicon> release party time