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[04:43] <poningru> hey guys quick question
[04:44] <poningru> I have a 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 02)
[04:44] <poningru> with hardy running 2.6.24
[04:44] <poningru> should it be using the b43 driver?
[04:45] <poningru> I had ndiswrapper installed
[04:45] <poningru> but now its not working
[04:48] <crimsun> yes, it should be using b43.
[04:54] <poningru> I am going to assume no one has said anything
[07:29] <kraut> moin
[08:53] <sivang> hi all
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[14:34] <Kano> hi,when will be rc6 merged?
[15:01] <zul> Kano: probably not til the new year
[15:05] <Kano> not the answer i wanted to hear
[15:09] <zul> well it is christmas basically
[15:09] <Kano> next monday evening
[15:09] <Kano> not before
[15:10] <Kano> not today
[15:11] <BenC> Kano: the kernel devs (and all of canonical for that matter) are on holiday till Jan 2
[15:12] <Kano> what was the option to disable abi checks?
[15:12] <BenC> It's on the wiki
[15:13] <Kano> but doesnt that change the version?
[15:13] <BenC> skip_abi=true
[15:13] <Kano> ok, will try my own patchset then
[15:14] <Kano> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/177725
[15:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177725 in linux "pnpacpi: exceeded the max number of mem/IO resources" [Undecided,New] 
[15:15] <Kano> do you know if that is fixed in rc6?
[15:15] <Kano> also a mini mac did not boot with current 2.6.24
[15:28] <Kano> also does somebody know how to add a hook for initramfs to add a blacklist option
[15:28] <Kano> i have such an optin a custon initrd for kanotix, as i need to blacklist prism54
[15:29] <Kano> sometimes ehci-hcd
[15:37] <Kano> prism54 is also loaded together with p54pci but my card only needs p54pci
[15:40] <Kano> softmac cards never work with prism54
[17:14] <zul> have a good christmas everyone
[19:29] <Keybuk> so, if I have a built kernel source
[19:29] <Keybuk> and I've changed the code to one module
[19:29] <Keybuk> how do I rebuild just that one module?
[19:33] <soren> "make M=/path/to/module modules" I belive.
[19:33] <soren> The top-level makefile is richly commented. I'm certain there's an example describing just that.
[19:33] <soren> Keybuk: ^^
[19:41] <Keybuk> thanks
[19:42] <JanC> someone should fix gcc/make to know that by itself  ;)
[19:44] <Keybuk> that seems to try and build an external module
[19:56] <soren> Keybuk: Stop pointing it at an external directory?
[19:57] <Keybuk> that didn't work
[19:57] <Keybuk> make path/to/module.ko worked from the top level
[19:58] <soren> Hmm... I'm sure I've done in-tree builds the same way. Oh, well. 
[20:05] <mjg59> Keybuk: Yeah, that's the way I always do it
[20:05] <mjg59> Keybuk: You can actually do it from an unbuilt tree as well, as long as you mkdir .tmp_versions
[21:33] <Keybuk> mjg59: so far, I know it's not just insertion that's broken
[21:33] <Keybuk> but any kind of detection of the card
[23:28] <Torgoton> Hey all. The folks in #ubuntu-installer sent me here. I'm trying the bare minimum install on a very old machine, using only the linux and initrd.gz files. Dapper and Edgy start the installer, but Feisty and Gutsy both crash, even when using the 386 versions. I can point you to the gutsy crash output if you like. Also, my keyboard gets mapped all crazy, but I can start an install (with dapper and edgy) if I use a serial console.
[23:30] <ln-> you are very optimistic by assuming that someone cares.
[23:31] <Torgoton> Indeed. An optimist I am.
[23:31] <Torgoton> I thought someone might care that the kernels built for low-spec machines crash on some of them.
[23:32] <ln-> let me quote what i was told about a crash: 
[23:32] <ln-> 12:36 < amitk> ln-: If you want JustWorks (TM), you have to either help during beta testing or get a support contract. It is unrealistic to expect that a distribution will hit all your target usecases.
[23:34] <Torgoton> I was hoping it would hit this one. I know the wiki is a community project and could be out of date, but it claims a 486 with 32MB RAM will be just enough machine for the job.
[23:35] <Kano> haha, you get better pcs for free ;)
[23:35] <Torgoton> This machine has 36MB RAM, but I paid a lot for it... when it was new... 15 years go.
[23:36] <Kano> now you have to pay when you want to give it back ;)
[23:36] <Torgoton> It's a ThinkPad 750P, and I have Woody on it, and the netboot files for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty and Gutsy, and I can load each of them with Lilo.
[23:36] <Torgoton> indeed, kano!
[23:38] <ln-> insignificantly small number of people run ubuntu on 486, i doubt anyone cares to investigate and fix your problem.
[23:38] <Torgoton> In-, do you need a hug? Where's the holiday spirit?
[23:38] <Torgoton> If anyone else cares, here's the Gutsy crash output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49098/
[23:40] <ln-> i'm only telling the facts.
[23:40] <Torgoton> Where I'm from, programmers tend to like challenges, especially low-level programmers... like the kind who would know about CPU initialization.
[23:44] <johanbr> Torgoton: I think your best best might be to build your own minimalistic kernel and see if the error still occurs.
[23:45] <JanC> I remember that mdz (I think it was him?) ran Ubuntu on a soekris in the past
[23:45] <JanC> but that might have been dapper or even an older version  ;)
[23:46] <JanC> Torgoton: is this a real 486 _with_ FPU ?
[23:46] <Torgoton> janc, it's a 486SL which is supposed to have the FPU.
[23:47] <JanC> hm, SL ?  I would have to check what that was again  ツ
[23:47] <Torgoton> I'm pretty technical (i've written i960 initialization code years ago), and a long-time linux use, but mostly with Fedora.
[23:47] <Torgoton> so I am comfortable running suggested commands and capturing logs.
[23:48] <JanC> ah, 486SL = low power 486DX, yeah, that should have a FPU I guess
[23:48] <Torgoton> and as I wrote, Dapper and Edgy boot fine (except for the keyboard thing)
[23:50] <JanC> AFAIK the -386 kernel is compiled with the 486DX as lowest supported CPU in mind
[23:51] <Torgoton> (and yet they call it the 386 kernel :) )
[23:51] <JanC> IIRC it's impossible to make a secure i386 kernel
[23:52] <JanC> some bug in that CPU  ;)
[23:52] <Torgoton> What?! a bug? in the CPU?!?
[23:54] <JanC> "invalid opcode" → sounds like it tries to do something not supported by your CPU ?
[23:55] <JanC> I know nothing more about it  ツ
[23:55] <Torgoton> well, I'll capture the Feisty output and see what's different.
[23:56] <Torgoton> BTW, anyone know the kernel parameter to make it not mess with the keyboard? Is it keyboard=reset or something like that?
[23:56] <JanC> how does it mess with the keyboard?  ツ
[23:57] <Torgoton> I type shift, and it shows "v"... the arrows, tab, space and enter don't work in the installer.
[23:57] <JanC> and it doesn't do that with debian?
[23:57] <Torgoton> not with Woody.
[23:58] <Torgoton> 2.2.20 kernel
[23:58] <JanC> I wonder if this is just a weird keyboard and recent kernels just don't include support for it anymore (at least by default) ?
[23:58] <Kano> Torgoton: maybe 486SX?
[23:58] <Torgoton> Kano, nope. 486SL.
[23:59] <JanC> Kano: 486SL has all DX features + some power saving features, according to wikipedia