[00:00] <_Sebulba_> i had no end of probs with adept
[00:00] <cloneyin_> hello
[00:00] <david__> For example I just change a title, saved and everything was fine.
[00:00] <_Sebulba_> I use synaptic because it works
[00:00] <david__> Don't like adept either I also use synaptic but update uses adept.
[00:00] <_Sebulba_> it dont need to
[00:00] <_Sebulba_> u can use synaptic
[00:01] <david__> how?
[00:01] <_Sebulba_> run synaptic, and do an update
[00:01] <cloneyin_> -!-
[00:01] <_Sebulba_> it'll give u an error
[00:01] <limac> vzduch: it says: The source can't be read.
[00:01] <limac> Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading NAV packet.)
[00:01] <david__> no I mean auto update
[00:01] <_Sebulba_> it'll give u a dpg command
[00:01] <drbobb> damn, it looks like flash in konqueror is bound to stay broken for the foreseeable future:(
[00:02] <_Sebulba_> i know, u need to do a couple of things first
[00:02] <david__> drbobb I just went through they same thing. Had to switch to firefox.
[00:02] <_Sebulba_> copy and paste that dpg command into a terminal with sudo in front of it
[00:02] <drbobb> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3162
[00:02] <_Sebulba_> that unlocks the packages from adept I belive
[00:03] <_Sebulba_> after that, run synaptic again and update
[00:03] <vzduch> limac: did it pop up a window as,before you tried to play it?
[00:03] <_Sebulba_> it'll now have access to the database
[00:03] <vzduch> *asking you what to do with it
[00:03] <limac> vzduch: yes
[00:03] <vzduch> do you have libdvdcss installed?
[00:03] <drbobb> downgrading to an older version of the flash plugin is probably still an option, though
[00:03] <david__> _Sebulba_ I don't see the cmd?
[00:03] <limac> hold on let me see
[00:03] <limac> vzduch ^
[00:04] <_Sebulba_> u just need to remember when u see a "you have updates" icon in your system tray, dont click on it as it';; open adept, instead open synaptic and let it handle it
[00:04] <_Sebulba_> u get an error message from synaptic?
[00:05] <david__> _Sebulba_ I don't see an update option in synaptic gui. You mean cmd line?
[00:05] <limac> vzduch: from adept?
[00:05] <_Sebulba_> i cant remember the command offhand, it's a one off thing thats not needed after its run
[00:06] <_Sebulba_> the synaptic gui ....look for reload
[00:06] <_Sebulba_> that syncs your packages with the repositries
[00:06] <vzduch> limac: it's available e.g. in the Medibuntu repo
[00:06] <vzduch> but beware, you might break the law by installing it if you're in the US
[00:07] <limac> I am in th US
[00:07] <david__> _Sebulba_ I did a synaptic --update-at-startup. no error.
[00:07] <_Sebulba_> it may give an error first time since adept has control of the package database and synaptic wants to control it
[00:07] <_Sebulba_> so it reloads ok then
[00:07] <david__> yes
[00:07] <_Sebulba_> k, now click mark all upgrades
[00:08] <david__> yes, but what about automatic updates?
[00:08] <david__> update notifier
[00:08] <_Sebulba_> the list down the left column, theres one called upgradable
[00:08] <david__> at the moment my system is complete up to date.
[00:09] <drbobb> goddammit flash should die
[00:09] <_Sebulba_> I'm not sure how to tell it u want synaptic to handle the auto updates, but all clicking the update icon does is jump forward a couple of steps
[00:09] <_Sebulba_> with adept
[00:10] <_Sebulba_> what I'm getting at is using synaptic instead of adept for updates, but it does involve a couple of extra steps
[00:10] <_Sebulba_> when u see the "updates are avalable" open synaptic, reload, then mark all upgrades
[00:10] <david__> I use it for manual updates already ;)
[00:11] <_Sebulba_> after u do, the "updates are available" icon disappears, because it tracks they have been updated
[00:11] <BluesKaj> _Sebulba_, synaptic has a fix broken pkgs option , which adept/apt lack
[00:11] <_Sebulba_> it does
[00:12] <Rudd-O> hi guise
[00:12] <OilR0ck> apt-get install -f fixes packages. and adept works fine imo
[00:12] <giuseppe> hi to everyone
[00:12] <giuseppe> can I ask for a question?
[00:12] <Rudd-O> sure
[00:12] <Rudd-O> go ahead
[00:12] <david__> ok, back to my original problem. why isn't kmenuedit saving my changes?
[00:13] <BluesKaj> adept reads the first letters in the search whereas synaptic looks at the wholw word/phrase and spits out more options
[00:13] <Rudd-O> uhmmm... hmmmm
[00:13] <david__> AFTER I press save
[00:13] <giuseppe> well, I'm a new user of Linux
[00:13] <Rudd-O> BluesKaj: in the search?  i thought adept searched in the whole package name
[00:13] <Rudd-O> giuseppe: welcome to the wonderful world of linux then
[00:13] <limac> vzduch: so wat can i do to play the dvd??
[00:13] <giuseppe> oh, thanks
[00:13] <giuseppe> well
[00:13] <OilR0ck> david__: can you write to  your homedirectory? if you create a new user and login to kde with that user, does kmenu work?
[00:13] <giuseppe> so I was successfull to connect my mobile phone to internet
[00:13] <giuseppe> ok?
[00:14] <vzduch> limac: if you want to comply w/ the law, use a DVD player
[00:14] <Rudd-O> giuseppe: yes, please create a new user, just for testing, and try to use kmenuedit there, to see if we can separate your user configuration from kmenuedit bugs
[00:14] <david__> yes I can write to my own home dir. Where is kmenu saved OilR0ck
[00:14] <Rudd-O> I know it's a tall order to try that crap out, but it certainly helps in identify ing the cause
[00:14] <giuseppe> well, ok
[00:14] <vzduch> we in Europe don't have these problems
[00:14] <giuseppe> but I try to explain my problem
[00:14] <BluesKaj> Rudd-O, try the first 3-4 letters of an app and see what comes up in adept vs synaptic
[00:14] <giuseppe> be patience
[00:14] <giuseppe> :-)
[00:14] <Rudd-O> BluesKaj: thanks for the tip
[00:14] <limac> vzduch: so i can't play the dvd using my computer!
[00:14] <Rudd-O> giuseppe: we'll try ;-)
[00:15] <giuseppe> now I'm connected here using my mobile phone
[00:15] <limac> ?
[00:15] <Rudd-O> giuseppe: awesome
[00:15] <giuseppe> so, I'm sure it's working
[00:15] <vzduch> afaik that's not allowed over there
[00:15] <giuseppe> ok?
[00:15] <limac> but with vista I could play dvd's
[00:15] <JuJuBee> I just upgraded to 7.10 and have onboard audio (VIA 8237), but only get sound out of 1 speaker.  The speakers are fine, they both work under windows.  Any suggestions?
[00:15] <limac> ! and not with linux?
[00:16] <giuseppe> the problem is that when I launch konqueror web vrowser, I'm not able to surf on internet
[00:16] <giuseppe> was I just clear about my problem?
[00:16] <_Sebulba_> limac, its licencing with codecs, with vista part of the cost went to the licnece
[00:16] <Rudd-O> giuseppe: what error do you geT?
[00:16] <_Sebulba_> u can play dvds in linux, it's just kinda illegal in most countries
[00:16] <giuseppe> for example
[00:16] <limac> all right then
[00:16] <Rudd-O> JuJuBee: one speaker?  maybe you have connected the gear to the wrong output, because that usually happens when you connect it to the center one
[00:17] <giuseppe> when I try to connect to www.google.it
[00:17] <giuseppe> it says: Could not connect to host http://www.google.it/.
[00:17] <_Sebulba_> if u wanna stay legal the short answer is you cant play dvds in linux
[00:17] <JuJuBee> No, only have one output on audio card.
[00:17] <Rudd-O> could not connect?
[00:17] <Rudd-O> but it doesnt say unknown host ?
[00:17] <Rudd-O> then you probably need to talk to your cell phone company ask them why you can't connect
[00:17] <_Sebulba_> chances are it's not going to be checked, so if u wanna risk it then you can
[00:17] <giuseppe> correct
[00:18] <giuseppe> it only says:
[00:18] <giuseppe> An error occurred while loading http://www.google.it/:
[00:18] <giuseppe> Could not connect to host http://www.google.it/.
[00:18] <giuseppe> so, I have no idea
[00:18] <giuseppe> I'm trying for many hours
[00:18] <Rudd-O> try from a console the follwoing command
[00:18] <_Sebulba_> its libdvdcss I believe
[00:18] <Rudd-O> ping www.google.it
[00:18] <giuseppe> :-(
[00:18] <Rudd-O> see if there is any response
[00:18] <giuseppe> just a second
[00:18] <_Sebulba_> libdvdcss
[00:19] <giuseppe> yes, I see many responses
[00:20] <limac> _Sebulba: libdvdcss is not avaible in adept, i can't find it!
[00:20] <giuseppe> something like this
[00:20] <giuseppe> 64 bytes from nf-........................google.com (xxxxxxxxxxxxx)....................64ms
[00:20] <giuseppe> ok?
[00:21] <Rudd-O> oh, its ok
[00:21] <Rudd-O> now try telnet www.google.it
[00:21] <giuseppe> then I ran ctrc+c
[00:21] <Rudd-O> if it doesn't connect, then you need to talk to your isp
[00:21] <giuseppe> to stop it
[00:22] <giuseppe> I wrote your suggested command
[00:22] <giuseppe> it says:  trying 64.233.183.104
[00:22] <giuseppe> ...
[00:22] <_Sebulba_> I'm not sure where to get libdvdcss sorry
[00:22] <_Sebulba_> google it
[00:23] <vzduch> !medibuntu | _Sebulba_, limac
[00:23] <ubotu> _Sebulba_, limac: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[00:23] <JuJuBee> Rudd-O : only 1 port  to connect speakers to (green jack).  Other is blue and other is red.
[00:23] <Rudd-O> check the balance in the mixer?
[00:23] <_Sebulba_> ubotu the bot just explained why its not in the repos
[00:23] <Rudd-O> tweak it?
[00:24] <JuJuBee> I did, the right channel is down
[00:24] <giuseppe> So Rudd-0 any idea?
[00:24] <Rudd-O> giuseppe: you probably need a proxy from your ISP
[00:24] <JuJuBee> When I go to right side, nothing, in center and left OK
[00:24] <drbobb> oops, it's not very easy to locate an older version of the linux flash plugin
[00:24] <Rudd-O> because the host is responsive but the ISP is blocking connections to the web server
[00:24] <giuseppe> excuse me for my ignorance
[00:24] <giuseppe> but what have I to do?
[00:24] <Rudd-O> giuseppe: you od not need to excuse yourself
[00:24] <Rudd-O> giuseppe: talk to your cellphone company
[00:24] <Rudd-O> they will probably know what to do
[00:25] <giuseppe> so, what I have to ask for?
[00:26] <vzduch> DNS server, I suppose
[00:26] <drbobb> hey maybe one of you guys has a flash plugin old enough to still work under konqueror?
[00:26] <Rudd-O> giuseppe: proxy server address
[00:26] <vzduch> drbobb: the 9.0.48.0 works
[00:26] <JuJuBee> Rudd-O : just played with the levels in kmix, raised one up then down now I have both channels.  Weird..
[00:26] <Rudd-O> JuJuBee: jujuuuuu!
[00:26] <Rudd-O> ;:-)
[00:27] <drbobb> that would be the case if you hadn't upgraded since late november, roughly
[00:27] <JuJuBee> Was the PCM
[00:27] <Rudd-O> PCM: Pulse Crap modulation
[00:27] <giuseppe> well, but I have to say that I selected direct connection without proxy server in konqueror
[00:27] <drbobb> vzduch: knowing the numbers doesn't help
[00:27] <JuJuBee> Nice ;)
[00:27] <flaccid> my flash plugin works in konq and i have the latest
[00:27] <giuseppe> can be it the problem?
[00:27] <flaccid> well apparently
[00:27] <vzduch> drbobb: I had the 9.0.115.0 myself, but downgraded because it didn't work
[00:27] <JuJuBee> Glad to have both channels back, music was crappy with only 1.
[00:28] <drbobb> question is where do you find a copy of the old one
[00:28] <vzduch> no idea
[00:28] <flaccid> what is the package installed currently for flash plugin?
[00:28] <vzduch> I fetched mine from Adobe directly (Fedora 8)
[00:28] <Rudd-O> JuJuBee: indeed
[00:28] <drbobb> the adobe installer not having a version number in the filename doesn't help
[00:29] <flaccid> i have this in my system and flash works in konq fine: ii  flashplugin-nonfree                        9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12           Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[00:29] <drbobb> adobe apparently provides the current version only
[00:29] <JuJuBee> Well, gotta fly, Nigh all...
[00:29] <vzduch> flaccid: apt-cache showpkg flashplugin-nonfree
[00:29] <vzduch> should tell you where it came from
[00:29] <flaccid> isn't there a switch to ignore the mismatch
[00:29] <drbobb> flaccid: then you could help me
[00:30] <flaccid> can you paste the error please
[00:31] <vzduch> flaccid: there's no pasting errors afaik.. nspluginwrapper crashes & no playing of local swf files
[00:31] <giuseppe> Rudd-0: thanks a lot for your availability
[00:31] <drbobb> you probably have adobe's package in /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/
[00:31] <flaccid> oh ok so its installed
[00:31] <drbobb> the version that still works
[00:31] <flaccid> but you played with 3rd party install so you probably borked it
[00:31] <giuseppe> I will ask to my company... by the way I hope to find you another time because don't think they will be able to halp me
[00:32] <giuseppe> :)
[00:32] <flaccid> i have this: http://pastebin.ca/827787
[00:32] <flaccid> giuseppe: sorry i missed it, what was the problem
[00:33] <giuseppe> where I wrote to Root-0, by the way I can ask you the same
[00:33] <giuseppe> I'm connected here using my mobile phone
[00:33] <Rudd-O> they must be able to help you
[00:33] <david_> ok update on my kmenu problem. I think I've been here before this seems vaguely familiar. I can delete and reorder no problem but I can't add a new item
[00:33] <giuseppe> flaccid: but I'm not able to surf using konqueror
[00:34] <flaccid> giuseppe: another browser works?
[00:34] <drbobb> flaccid: the flash issue is adobe's fault afaik
[00:34] <david_> can someone just walk through quick short steps of adding a item to the menu?
[00:34] <giuseppe> flaccid: I just install kubuntu
[00:34] <flaccid> drbobb: im trying to work out what the flash issue actually is...
[00:34] <drbobb> their most recent release breaks in konq & opera
[00:34] <giuseppe> flaccid: so I didn't try...
[00:34] <flaccid> david_: right click the k and goto menu editor
[00:35] <david_> ype
[00:35] <david_> yep
[00:35] <flaccid> giuseppe: try another browser and come back
[00:35] <_Sebulba_> right click on the group u want to add something into, then add item
[00:35] <OilR0ck> david_: I _think_ your menu edits should be stored in ~/.config/menus
[00:35] <david_> btw drbobb: the flash problem is a known problem. Adobe changed the way 9.0.x works.
[00:36] <david_> OilR0ck I found that.
[00:36] <fernando_> ls
[00:36] <giuseppe> flaccid: sorry can you help me about installation of another browser?
[00:36] <Rudd-O> giuseppe: it's not the browser
[00:36] <Rudd-O> giuseppe: we confimed that with TELNET
[00:36] <drbobb> david_: yes i know, i already discovered that. knowing it does not help much.
[00:37] <drbobb> Rudd-O: what did you do w/telnet, i missed that
[00:37] <giuseppe> flaccid: rudd-0 says the problem is proxy server address
[00:37] <david_> I understand. but unless you are a programmer (which you could be, I don't know) you can't do anything to make that work. You can still use previous versions but of course you'll have problems with 9.x swf's
[00:37] <Rudd-O> giuseppe: it does not connect to the server
[00:37] <giuseppe> flaccid: he was very able to check it
[00:38] <david_> drbobb ^
[00:38] <flaccid> giuseppe: do you require a proxy server with your isp?
[00:38] <drbobb> david_: earlier releases of 9.x did work, so i'm looking for a copy of an earlier release
[00:38] <giuseppe> Rudd-O: yes you are right, but flaccid seemed to know my problem :-)
[00:38] <_Sebulba_> gotta go
[00:38] <flaccid> i don't know anything yet
[00:39] <giuseppe> sorry, but ISP is?
[00:39] <flaccid> the people that give your internet account
[00:39] <drbobb> david_: telnet www.google.it would not work no matter what
[00:40] <drbobb> you wanted 'telnet www.google.it 80'
[00:40] <david_> ?
[00:40] <Rudd-O> drbobb: telnet to port 23 would never work
[00:40] <david_> someone else. My problem is with the menu
[00:40] <Rudd-O> they dont run telnet daemons
[00:41] <OilR0ck> so what happens when you add a menu item
[00:41] <drbobb> telnet defaults to port 23
[00:41] <giuseppe> flaccid: well, I can say that when I use "windows" and firefox I use direct connection without proxy server...
[00:41] <OilR0ck> can you touch ~/.config/menus/test
[00:41] <flaccid> giuseppe: test another browser then come back
[00:41] <david_> drbobb. Just in case you don't already know. You just need the .so file
[00:41] <flaccid> david_: did you try the menu editor as advised?
[00:41] <david_> ?
[00:41] <david_> yes
[00:42] <goplay\linOzor91> WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!!
[00:42] <giuseppe> drbobb: thanks, I used telnet www.google.it 80
[00:42] <drbobb> david_: yes i know that. which makes little difference as long as i don;t have it
[00:42] <david_> I can delete, move existing items fine.
[00:42] <giuseppe> drbobb: it says:
[00:42] <giuseppe> Connected to www.l.google.com.
[00:42] <giuseppe> Escape character is '^]'.
[00:42] <giuseppe> Connection closed by foreign host.
[00:42] <giuseppe> drbobb: any more idea?
[00:43] <flaccid> giuseppe: how did you go with testing a different browser
[00:43] <david_> drbobb. just trying to make life a little easier. try googling "index of" flash(whatever).so
[00:43] <flaccid> i can only help if you listen
[00:43] <OilR0ck> do you have .config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu
[00:43] <david_> look for an old date.
[00:43] <drbobb> giuseppe: does it close the connection right away, without you doing anything?
[00:43] <david_> flaccid is that meant for me?
[00:43] <flaccid> nah giuseppe
[00:43] <giuseppe> drbobb: correct
[00:43] <david_> ok
[00:44]  * flaccid waits for people to do things
[00:44] <giuseppe> flaccid: I would try another browser... but how to install for example mozilla?
[00:44] <drbobb> well all i can say is that's wrong, it's not what sould happen
[00:44] <david_> giuseppe that is all that will happen when you telnet into a website.
[00:44] <drbobb> should even
[00:44] <flaccid> giuseppe: install the package mozilla with your favourite package editor
[00:45] <david_> flaccid ;)
[00:45] <flaccid> you can telnet anything...
[00:45] <flaccid> well nearly anything, it does raw ascii through the terminal
[00:45] <david_> flaccid while your wait. humour by walking one step at a time at adding a menu item to kmenu. you stopped at right click edit menu
[00:45] <maxidesqac> Hi, i am new and i have a problem
[00:45] <Downix> Hi new!!
[00:46] <maxidesqac> There isn t sound!!!
[00:46] <OilR0ck> david_: do you have .config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu ? If not, create it and then try
[00:46] <david_> yes
[00:46] <flaccid> david_: this is not a holding hand service. im sure you can work it out from there, menu editor could be used by a 6 year old
[00:46] <david_> ;)
[00:46] <OilR0ck> then remove it and recreate it and try
[00:46] <david_> Listen. Just looking for something missing from system like an apply button or something.
[00:47] <drbobb> giuseppe: after the telnet the connection should hang around for a while
[00:47] <drbobb> giving you enough time to type in something like
[00:47] <maxidesqac> I need sound on my kubuntu
[00:47] <david_> I've been using linux for over a year. Please humour me.
[00:47] <drbobb> HEAD / HTTP/1.0
[00:47] <drbobb> (+ hit enter twice)
[00:47] <david_> I know that kde has problems with sudo so I just wonder if that is my problem.
[00:48] <drbobb> that ought to get a response
[00:48] <giuseppe> drbobb: well I wrote "ciao"
[00:48] <flaccid> david_: i thought i did :)
[00:48] <drbobb> ah so
[00:48] <OilR0ck> sudo has nothing to do with kmenuedit. you are editing for your user,, not all users
[00:48] <flaccid> why are you using sudo, sorry i don't know what your problem actually is
[00:48] <drbobb> i guess your net connection is working correctly then
[00:48] <giuseppe> drbobb: and then appear many chars and connection closed by foreignhost
[00:48] <david_> OilR0ck grovey!!! a helpful piece of info.
[00:48] <david_> not using sudo
[00:49] <maxidesqac>   Guys, I have a problem, I have no sound
[00:49] <flaccid> are you trolling david_? it sounds like it
[00:49] <david_> no.
[00:49] <david_> I really want to fix this.
[00:49] <OilR0ck> please do what i suggested, remove applications-kmenuedit.menu as your user and then try
[00:49] <david_> I just went back to kde today after one year on gnome/ubuntu
[00:49] <flaccid> david_: so what is your actual problem with the kmenu?
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[00:49] <maxidesqac> ?
[00:50] <OilR0ck> maxidesqac: no sorry
[00:50] <david_> OilR0ck I did, it didn't make any difference
[00:50] <maxidesqac> Ok
[00:50] <vzduch> david_: the menu editor has a menu where you can choose 'File → Save'
[00:50] <giuseppe> drbobb: so...?
[00:50] <OilR0ck> david_: so if you remove it, then try to edit the menu, does that file get created?
[00:50] <flaccid> lol
[00:50] <david_> Ok once again... I can delete items and the go away, I can reorder items and that saves. I can't add.
[00:51] <flaccid> so when you go to add in menu editor what happens david_
[00:51] <OilR0ck> its likely a permission issue
[00:51] <david_> vzduch I tried file>save and the save icon.
[00:51] <flaccid> david_:  so a sudo chown -R `whoami` ~/.kde
[00:51] <tehm0nk> whats with my sound... it worked in the live cd but not now
[00:51] <david_> OilR0ck no
[00:51] <drbobb> giuseppe: sorry i wasn't following your problem from the start
[00:51] <OilR0ck> no just ~/.kde, ~/.config
[00:51] <flaccid> david_: and what happens when you try to save......
[00:52] <drbobb> is it that you can't browse the web?
[00:52] <tehm0nk> Does Xinerama break DRI?
[00:52] <OilR0ck> .config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu is the file that kmenuedit modifies
[00:52] <vzduch> david_: yes, you can --> File → New element
[00:52] <giuseppe> drbobb: correct
[00:52] <flaccid> giuseppe: instead of continuing to go on about it, can you please try another browser...
[00:52] <david_> vzduch yes I did that file - New Item.
[00:52] <drbobb> konqueror can't connect to any site?
[00:53] <giuseppe> any site
[00:53] <david_> vzduch it asks for an item name
[00:53] <david_> flaccid I did the chmod
[00:53] <flaccid> hmm
[00:53] <david_> but that wasn't it.
[00:53] <vzduch> david_: then give it one
[00:53] <OilR0ck> did you do it for ~/.config?
[00:53] <flaccid> david_: you are yet to explain any actual behavour. sounds like a troller
[00:53] <giuseppe> drbobb: the problem is that I'm not able to install immediataly another browser
[00:54] <flaccid> !doesntwork
[00:54] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[00:54] <flaccid> please read above
[00:54] <david_> vzduch it's now sitting with a blank entry.
[00:54] <giuseppe> drbobb: and then Robb-O told me the problem is ISP and not web browser
[00:54] <flaccid> we need a specific problem as telepathy is not available
[00:54] <drbobb> giuseppe: will your connection get dropped if you log out and log back in?
[00:54] <david_> (flaccid) sorry I'm going to have to ignore you for a minute.
[00:54] <flaccid> giuseppe: we are yet to work that out because you won't try another browser
[00:54] <OilR0ck> giuseppe: at a command prompt type: sudo apt-get install firefox
[00:54] <flaccid> everyone ignore david_
[00:54] <david_> vzduch... can you please continue?
[00:55] <david_> vzduch what is the min I need to enter now.
[00:55] <david_> just a name and a command?
[00:55] <flaccid> i thought you had been using linux for over a year now
[00:55] <david_> flaccid I know you think I'm kidding around but I'm really not.
[00:56] <flaccid> well you speak many contradictions, so its hard to believe you
[00:56] <vzduch> this thing is rather self-explanatory
[00:56] <david_> I'm sitting at a blank entry for a new item.
[00:56] <david_> listen it we walk through to the end I'm sure it will become clear what is wrong.
[00:56] <vzduch> you still have the mask as a guide, even if it's grayed out
[00:56] <giuseppe> flaccid: what I have to download to install firefox?
[00:57] <flaccid> david_: press f1 in menu editor all the help is there for this process
[00:57] <tehm0nk> any dualhead gurus around?
[00:57] <OilR0ck> giuseppe: at a command prompt type: sudo apt-get install firefox
[00:57] <OilR0ck> do you guys not read
[00:57] <drbobb> yeah most don;t
[00:57] <drbobb> don't even
[00:57] <flaccid> giuseppe: [11:57] <OilR0ck> giuseppe: at a command prompt type: sudo apt-get install firefox . please listen
[00:58] <giuseppe> flaccid: done, but it says "no package"
[00:58] <flaccid> sometimes its like you are talking to a brick wall lol
[00:58] <david_> flaccid just looked it's very basic not step by step just what the options are
[00:58] <flaccid> giuseppe: learn package management first
[00:58] <flaccid> !info firefox | giuseppe
[00:58] <ubotu> giuseppe: firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.11+2nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10 (gutsy), package size 8969 kB, installed size 26024 kB
[00:58] <flaccid> !adept | giuseppe
[00:58] <ubotu> giuseppe: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[00:59] <OilR0ck> lol
[00:59] <flaccid> david_: ah well sorry. i guess nobody wants to hold your hand.
[00:59] <drbobb> like when i was asking for help with the flash plugin issue
[00:59] <flaccid> when need a specific error/unexpected behaviour othewise we can't really help
[00:59] <drbobb> several folks said things that are true, and known to me, but completely unhelpful
[00:59] <flaccid> i think im still waiting for your error, drbobb
[01:00] <drbobb> flaccid: it is well known what the error is
[01:00] <flaccid> well know by who?
[01:00] <drbobb> and the only workaround that can be used today is reverting to an older flash plugin
[01:01] <david_> vzduch - I have filed in Name, Description, and Command - now when I press the save icon (which I haven't done yet) it says saving and then doesn't save.
[01:01] <flaccid> david_: try #kde
[01:01] <drbobb> known to kde devs for instance, they have blogged about it
[01:01] <flaccid> drbobb: then there is nothing else we can do for you.
[01:01] <OilR0ck> what is the error? I'm using flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12, seems to work fine..
[01:01] <flaccid> OilR0ck: apparently its well known
[01:02] <flaccid> lol
[01:02] <drbobb> well that't what i meant about folks not reading
[01:02] <drbobb> that's
[01:02] <flaccid> if i missed your error im sorry, but i cannot find it in my log
[01:02] <limac> whenever i switch from one videos to another and then another and so on, but after a while, the firefox window gets frozen and i have to terminate it and that's how it goes, it only happens in the cases of games and youtube vidoes? what's wrong?
[01:02] <drbobb> OilR0ck: as soon as you upgrade it will stop working
[01:03] <tim> hi
[01:03] <tim> I cant isntall NVidia driver on kubuntu 8.04 ? can u plz help me?
[01:03] <drbobb> you are just lucky to still have an out of date version
[01:03] <david_> flaccid _ i just put up a request but just one more thing. after I have enter the info is there something I should do before I press the save icon (the first icon)
[01:03] <flaccid> limac: i've had that a lot, not sure what it is, not really something easilty worked out. you could submit a !bugs
[01:03] <OilR0ck> its is the version in the kubuntu repos...
[01:03] <OilR0ck> so you could try reverting to that
[01:03] <drbobb> no it does not work that way
[01:04] <limac> flaccid: can it be because i have a celeron proc essor?
[01:04] <drbobb> the flashplugin package does not contain the flash plugin
[01:04] <tim> Can i plz help me to isntall nvidia for Kubutnu 8.04 ?
[01:04] <flaccid> david_: not according to the help file walk-through
[01:04] <OilR0ck> yeah, you download it, so there is a new version that gets downloaded is what your are saying?
[01:04] <david_> ?
[01:04] <flaccid> limac: doubt it. more likely the problem is flash or the flash object
[01:04] <drbobb> it's a script that downloads the plugin from adobe and installs it on your system
[01:04] <limac> tim: kubuntu 8.04 isn't at all stable yet
[01:05] <tehm0nk> anyone know about nvidia onboard sound drivers?
[01:05] <tim> limac: Exactly so how do i isntall nvidia ?
[01:05] <drbobb> and the version currently provided by adobe does not work with konq or opera
[01:05] <flaccid> drbobb: please pastebin the error from apt-get install . i might be able to find a switch to allow it to install...
[01:05] <limac> tim: try envy
[01:05] <drbobb> flaccid: there is no error from apt-get install
[01:05] <tim> limac it does not work on Kubuntu
[01:05] <OilR0ck> drbobb: i get it, thats sucks
[01:06] <flaccid> drbobb: well until you let me know exactly what happens...
[01:06] <drbobb> i described the issue quite precisely above, just read
[01:06] <tim> limac:  envy does not work in Kubuntu at leat not in 8.04
[01:06] <limac> tim: but it works in 7.10
[01:06] <limac> hmmmmmm
[01:06] <david_> flaccid - ok I just found the walkthrough in ch 2.
[01:06] <drbobb> nspluginviewer segfaults on any page that contains flash
[01:06] <OilR0ck> i'd look at filing or check bug reports on that, as a specific version is specified in the kubuntu package. if you are downloading a different one, at the very least the package version should be changed
[01:06] <flaccid> drbobb: so are you saying it installs successfully?
[01:06] <drbobb> if that helps you
[01:06] <tim> And when i try to isntall it from the reepos it gives me message giving the lsit of confilicted repos and saying that i need to delete kubuntu-desktop before isntalling nvidia-glx
[01:06] <limac> tim ; what graphics card do u have
[01:06] <limac> ?
[01:07] <tim> limac: Geforce 5700Le
[01:07] <flaccid> hoooray, i know what happens now! can't help with a segfault but you could try to find an older version as you said. repeating in here won't help
[01:07] <flaccid> tim: install the package kubuntu-desktop
[01:07] <DarkJimmy> hello
[01:07] <limac> tim: so u are trying to installing the nvidia drivers
[01:07] <limac> ?
[01:07] <flaccid> then install the package restricted-manager-kde to install the nv driver
[01:08] <tim> it says that i need to unisntall it , in order to isntall nvidia driver
[01:08] <tim> limac: yes
[01:08] <flaccid> tim: pastebin the whole output
[01:08] <limac> tim: are your restricted drivers enabled?
[01:08] <david_> flaccid - ok here is something interesting. I am doing exactly what is shown. But after I enter firefox and press enter everything is blank including the new entry.
[01:08] <drbobb> ok forget it. no help to be found here.
[01:08] <limac> all of them?
[01:09] <david_> flaccid (2nd step)
[01:09] <flaccid> david_: yeah i don't know what is causing your bug if the perms are fine on the config file(s)..
[01:09] <david_> k
[01:09] <flaccid> drbobb: users can't help segfaults only developers
[01:10] <flaccid> kubuntu has many bugs :)
[01:10] <drbobb> boy are you bright
[01:10] <drbobb> when did i say i was asking someone to debug a segfault
[01:10] <flaccid> drbobb: and you are sarcastic.
[01:10] <flaccid> drbobb: how did you expect us to help with a segfault sorry?
[01:10] <drbobb> i asked a couple of times for help with locating an older version
[01:10] <tim> I am getting this message when it try to install nvidia-glx in Kubuntu http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1iu9.png
[01:11] <david_> drbobb !!! I just remembered. My wife's computer has kubuntu fiesty on it. I think I have the older .so. brb
[01:11] <drbobb> which many people here still happen to have on their systems
[01:11] <flaccid> drbobb: yeah and i don't know where to get that
[01:11] <flaccid> you want my pkg drbobb?
[01:11] <drbobb> yeah i expect that would work.
[01:12] <limac> flaccid: people before me are working on them
[01:12] <drbobb> as you know libflashplayer.so is enough
[01:12] <flaccid> limac: working on what sorry?
[01:12] <tim> flaccid:  do u know what to do?
[01:12] <flaccid> drbobb: install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz this will do ?
[01:13] <flaccid> tim: with what
[01:13] <flaccid> oh sorry looking now tim
[01:13] <tim>        I am getting this message when it try to install nvidia-glx in    http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1iu9.png
[01:13] <drbobb> now to explain myself in full, the problem with googling for it is that every one of a hundred or so versions of this file released by adobe/macromedia has the exact same file name
[01:13] <david_> drbobb this is your lucky day it's v 9.0r48
[01:13] <david_> I'll zip it up if you want
[01:13] <drbobb> no need to it's already compressed
[01:14] <flaccid> am i sending or is david_?
[01:14] <limac> flaccid: other people already REPORTED that bug before me! :D
[01:14] <drbobb> i'll be happy to have it, it's dr.bobik@gmail.com
[01:14] <flaccid> limac: i don't know what you are talking about ah well
[01:14] <tim> So does any one know how to install ? nvidia-glx ?
[01:14] <david_> sorry I must have missed something I've been back and forth between two machines brb
[01:16] <limac> flaccid: you know the firefox crashing bugs
[01:16] <flaccid> tim: do what it says. kubuntu-desktop is only a meta package, but it worries me that it wan'ts to remove xorg.... you might wanna check your repos. also we don't support synaptic here.
[01:16] <dor0> hello guys, any reasons why "nosplash" is working and "spalsh" isnt in grub?
[01:16] <flaccid> limac: oh there are hundreds of those. we all suffer it
[01:16] <tim> flaccid:  should I do what it says?
[01:16] <flaccid> tim: if you are on gutsy just do what i said before...
[01:17] <flaccid> tim: like i said before use restricted-manager-kde
[01:17] <tim> should i try to downlaod it now?
[01:17] <fsckr> tim, just enable it :)
[01:17] <flaccid> tim: just install the package restricted-manager-kde and then run kdesu restricted-manager-kde and then enable the nv restricted driver and reboot
[01:18] <flaccid> i don't know why synaptic wants to remove xorg and i don't know what you requested in synaptic to do that..
[01:18] <fsckr> oops sorry flaccid i jumped in that
[01:18] <OrionFyre> <- Newbie with a backup question
[01:18] <tim> flaccid:  I think last time i tried to do this in kubuntu 8.04 it gave me message that some dependecies can not be resolved tyhefore can not be installed
[01:19] <flaccid> well one can only try
[01:19] <nitro4ce> is there a way to check a password i stored in kwallet?
[01:19] <nitro4ce> i completely forgot t
[01:20] <flaccid> tim: which version of ubuntu are you doing this on?
[01:20] <OrionFyre> before installing Kubuntu i want to back up a 1:1 of my hard drive should i decide in the rare chance i want to return to vistacrap
[01:20] <tim> flaccid:  kubuntu 8.04
[01:21] <fsckr> 8.04?
[01:21] <flaccid> tim:  is that the next ubuntu ? because thats supported in #ubuntu+1 not here
[01:21] <fsckr> is that the alpha?
[01:22] <david_> drbobb ok. there is actually 2 files so I gz'd them together. Originally it was installed to /lib/flashplugin-nonfree with symlinks to the plugins /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins dir and other plugins dirs.
[01:22] <david_> drobobb the question is what is the best way to send it to you?
[01:22] <flaccid> drbobb: email sent
[01:22] <tim> yes alpha 2
[01:23] <flaccid> tim: goto #ubuntu+1 . we can't support that here sorry
[01:23] <skarface> do I need to add apt sources for kde4 as the website says? it looks like kde4base is there already.
[01:24] <DarkJimmy> hello all, I've installed kubuntu on my laptop and when I close the screen it messes up
[01:24] <DarkJimmy> http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1513/22122007002cv2.jpg [hi-res]
[01:25] <flaccid> DarkJimmy: which card and driver for video are you using?
[01:25] <DarkJimmy> er, help!
[01:25] <DarkJimmy> nvidia geforce 4 go
[01:26] <DarkJimmy> default driver
[01:26] <flaccid> and which driver?
[01:26] <flaccid> ok is this on gutsy?
[01:26] <OilR0ck> skarface: yes you do
[01:26] <DarkJimmy> havn't installed any
[01:26] <tehm0nk> it dumbfounds me that non of you are on Nforce onboard sound...
[01:26] <flaccid> DarkJimmy: change to the nv restricted driver via restricted-manager-kde
[01:27] <DarkJimmy> can you translate to linux-noob speak, please?
[01:27] <flaccid> i got an m audio firewire 410 pro sound card, pitty no linux driver :(
[01:27] <OrionFyre> can someone point me in the direction of how to back up my drive pre-install? thx
[01:27] <flaccid> DarkJimmy: install the package restricted-manager-kde and then run kdesudo restricted-manager-kde
[01:28] <flaccid> what is a drive pre-install ?
[01:28] <fsckr> flaccid, its already installed
[01:28] <flaccid> fsckr: what is?
[01:28] <fsckr> DarkJimmy, click on the k bottom left
[01:28] <fsckr> yea
[01:28] <OilR0ck> OrionFyre: where do you plan on backing it up to?
[01:28] <fsckr> system settings
[01:28] <OrionFyre> flaccid: i want ot back up my drive before i install kubuntu
[01:28] <fsckr> then the advanced tab
[01:28] <OrionFyre> i have a USB drive
[01:29] <flaccid> !backup | OrionFyre
[01:29] <ubotu> OrionFyre: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[01:29] <DarkJimmy> thanks, fsckr
[01:29] <fsckr> yw
[01:29] <flaccid> fsckr: you don't need to install the optional package to get it in the system settings?
[01:29] <fsckr> no
[01:29] <fsckr> you just have to enable it via system settings then reboot
[01:29] <flaccid> that doesn't make sense are they the same program. is this a duplication ?
[01:29] <veraxus> I am trying to get the desktop cube in kbuntu...can someone help me?
[01:29] <fsckr> you can't just restart x either
[01:30] <fsckr> same thing
[01:30] <DarkJimmy> now I just check the components?
[01:30] <fsckr> works for me all the time
[01:30] <fsckr> DarkJimmy, it should tell you to restart after you enable it
[01:30] <veraxus> I am up to having the "Advanced Desktop Effects" in my menu and I have desktop cube checked but it doesn't seem to be working.
[01:30] <flaccid> then they have duplicated in the distro, not a good thing
[01:30] <flaccid> unless the restricted-manager-kde is just a wrapper for a kcmshell call..
[01:31] <OilR0ck> OrionFyre: you could use the 'dd' command, do a search on its usage. Your better off just backing up your docs and stuff, and reinstalling windows if you want to go back
[01:31] <veraxus> wants a reboot, brb.
[01:31] <flaccid> veraxus: #ubuntu-effects
[01:31] <veraxus> Thanks. :)
[01:31] <DarkJimmy> I get an error after enabling the driver..
[01:31] <DarkJimmy> nvidia-glx   is not enabled
[01:31] <OrionFyre> flaccid: your help is much appreciated, thank you kindly.
[01:31] <OrionFyre> thank OilRock
[01:31] <flaccid> np
[01:31] <flaccid> after you enable the driver it requires a reboot
[01:32] <DarkJimmy> reboot's on its way
[01:33] <flaccid> drbobb: im not sure if this helps at all either http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 or http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=ignore+md5sum+mismatch+apt&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[01:33] <drbobb> thanks, the workaround is working for me
[01:33] <flaccid> cool. we can blame adobe on this right? :)
[01:34] <flaccid> i mean it would help if they realised that people on linux want to use their product lol
[01:34] <drbobb> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3162
[01:34] <OilR0ck> i totally blame adobe
[01:34] <drbobb> they have made progress though
[01:34] <DarkJimmy> flaccid: rebooted, drivers are still not in use
[01:34] <drbobb> they seem to care about linux users
[01:35] <tim> What driver i download for geforce fx5700le driver ??
[01:35] <OilR0ck> they do?
[01:35] <ardchoille> !nvidia | tim
[01:35] <ubotu> tim: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:35] <drbobb> but only as long as they use 32 bit mozilla / firefox
[01:35] <flaccid> DarkJimmy: pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf and we see what they did. also dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[01:35] <Downix> drbobb: on x86
[01:35] <Downix> drbobb: leaving us SPARC folk in the lurch....
[01:35] <flaccid> drbobb: yeah but they don't give a shiz about us bsd users... :(
[01:35] <drbobb> amd64? konqueror? opera? sparc? --> out of luck
[01:36] <DarkJimmy> flaccid: totally confused just there
[01:36] <flaccid> freebsd user totally out of luck
[01:36] <tim> How do i install package NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.07-pkg1.run ?
[01:36] <flaccid> !pastebin | DarkJimmy
[01:36] <ubotu> DarkJimmy: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:36] <Downix> GIVE ME OPEN SOURCED CPU'S OR GIVE ME.... ooo pie!  8)
[01:36] <flaccid> tim: if you really want to do that then you should do a chmod +x ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.07-pkg1.run; ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.07-pkg1.run
[01:36] <flaccid> pie please
[01:38] <drbobb> well too bad 99% or so of embedded video content on webpages is currently flash video
[01:39] <drbobb> but at least it's not drm'ed wmv
[01:39] <hdevalence> drbobb: what is keeping them from releasing for amd64?
[01:39] <flaccid> yeah that doesn't really mean much. its not a standard so yeah.... most people use IE and windows so hehe yeah
[01:39] <drbobb> dunno, ask them
[01:40] <tehm0nk> !nforce
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nforce - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:40] <tehm0nk> !nvidia
[01:40] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:40] <hdevalence> drbobb: is it really that much effort to recompile?
[01:40] <flaccid> probably skills and care
[01:40] <drbobb> loads of people have asked i'm sure
[01:40] <drbobb> hdevalence: how would i know
[01:40] <drbobb> but it's usually much more than a matter of recompiling
[01:40] <teinituhero> why does kubuntu crash 24/7 and ubuntu doesn't
[01:41] <cstratto> #porn
[01:41] <drbobb> (assuming the software is not very well written)
[01:41] <cstratto> exit
[01:41] <flaccid> teinituhero: it drinks a lot more
[01:41] <teinituhero> ....
[01:41] <teinituhero> wow
[01:41] <drbobb> teinituhero: the kubuntu box in my office runs 24/7
[01:41] <flaccid> i mean if it was crashing for everyone, we would'nt be using it would we
[01:41] <drbobb> i don't think it has crashed more than once in the past year
[01:42] <flaccid> i certainly wouldn't be using it if it crashed more than gnome lol
[01:42] <drbobb> btw that was a pretty weird crash and i have no idea why it happens
[01:43] <DarkJimmy> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49237/
[01:43] <teinituhero> well i've been running ubuntu on my pc and now i installed kubuntu on my sister's pc just to test it and well...i'd definately go with ubuntu with gnome
[01:43] <drbobb> teinituhero: so do that if it suits you
[01:43] <drbobb> i don't think anyone will mind
[01:43] <kub^> whatever floats yer boat teinituhero
[01:43] <flaccid> choice is um choice :)
[01:45] <flaccid> DarkJimmy: that looks fine to me. i would probably uncomment the refresh rates if you still have a problem and if you still have a problem maybe the monitor is the issue or something, hard to work out. you could check the log /var/log/Xorg.0.log for clues
[01:45] <drbobb> (cool youtube works again, ;-)
[01:45] <flaccid> sweet. i have to wait till 24th to be unshaped to watch youtube dang
[01:45] <teinituhero> have u watched 2girls1cup :D
[01:46] <flaccid> negative but sounds interesting
[01:46] <teinituhero> hahaha 2girls1cup.com
[01:46] <teinituhero> enjoy :D
[01:47] <DarkJimmy> flaccid: thanks for your help
[01:48] <flaccid> np
[01:48] <drbobb> ok, c.u.
[01:48] <flaccid> cia0
[01:50] <uoaphys> hey guys
[01:51] <uoaphys> anyone having DHCP problems in clean installs of kubuntu 7.10?
[01:51] <uoaphys> knetworkmanager reports no network after i manually ifup ifdown my eth0 interface
[01:51] <uoaphys> and thats the only way that the network works
[01:52] <uoaphys> by default, the check box for "activate on startup" was disabled, and DHCP mode was not selected.. that seems like a weird default setting as well
[01:52] <flaccid> uoaphys: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
[01:54] <uoaphys> oh man I don't have the system with me.. I'll come back when I get back to that computer
[01:54] <uoaphys> it had eth0 and lo were the only 2 i saw tho
[01:54] <uoaphys> i just found out about this channel
[01:55] <flaccid> well generally knetworkmanager only likes localhost in the interfaces file so it can do wired or wireless via user in knetworkmanager
[01:55] <flaccid> so thats what i would do first
[01:55] <flaccid> i only have 3 stanzas in mine which are for localhost. nothing else.
[01:55] <tehm0nk> Is anyone good with nforce drivers?
[01:55] <uoaphys> right on
[01:56] <tehm0nk> specifically for sound...?
[01:56] <uoaphys> flaccid: is it worth reporting the problems to the kubuntu bug racker? i thought it was rather silly that a supported system did not dhcp by default
[01:56] <tehm0nk> i'm getting burnt on this linux stuff .... all i do is try to fix it
[01:56] <uoaphys> shouldn't need network configuration unless dhcp is not used
[01:56] <tehm0nk> and i fix one thing then the next goes
[01:57] <uoaphys> tehm0nk: yea man, thats what i run into
[01:58] <flaccid> uoaphys: we have not identified any problems yet...you need a POC for that
[01:58] <uoaphys> what is a POC?
[01:58] <tim> What was the beta  channel ubuntu-1??
[01:58] <flaccid> proof of concept
[01:58] <flaccid> tim: as i said before #ubuntu+1
[01:59] <uoaphys> POC just for DHCP to be enabled by deafult? on the GNOME version of ubuntu dhcp works on first bootup no configuration
[02:00] <flaccid> uoaphys: you have not even looked at logs. the problem could still be the user at this point. we have not pinpointed anything yet you are just guessing
[02:00] <uoaphys> I'm glad I know about this chan tho so i can come back in here when im in front of the system
[02:00] <uoaphys> i spent all day on forums before and didn't get anywhere
[02:00] <flaccid> the problem could be the dhcp server and then we would be wasting the devs time in launchpad
[02:01] <uoaphys> I see ok sounds good man
[02:01] <flaccid> there are some pretty savvy people here
[02:01] <hamadooo> hey
[02:01] <david_> very interesting. I fixed my problem with kmenu flaccid just to show you I was trolling.
[02:01] <david_> sorry I mean wasn't trolling
[02:01] <flaccid> david_: what was the problem?
[02:01] <hamadooo> my laptop fans woek all the time .. how can i control them
[02:02] <hamadooo> work*
[02:02] <gonzalo> i have problems installing my sound card drivers
[02:02] <david_> It was my fault thought didn't think. I made a change in kmenuedit with sudo and it changed permissions
[02:02] <david_> on .local/share/applications.
[02:03] <david_> in my home which is kinda wierd.
[02:03] <flaccid> david_: yeah as we advised from the *start* you do not run kmenuedit under sudo, its for the current user :)
[02:03] <david_> but at least I know what happend.
[02:03] <flaccid> yep sweet :)
[02:03] <david_> Yes but by that time the damage was done
[02:03] <flaccid> which is why i advised the chown to fix it at the start as well :)
[02:03] <david_> I think it only would happen the first time.
[02:03] <david_> yes but wrong dir.
[02:04] <david_> ;)
[02:04] <flaccid> no correct dir
[02:04] <flaccid> how was it wrong?
[02:04] <david_> no
[02:04] <david_> ~/.local/share/application.
[02:04] <david_> no ~/.kde
[02:04] <david_> not
[02:04] <flaccid> oh the generic menu
[02:04] <david_> but anyway thanks for the help
[02:04] <flaccid> that as well...
[02:04] <david_> ;)
[02:04] <david_> no he says.
[02:04] <david_> now
[02:04] <flaccid> my bad on that i didn't know why yo used sudo to begin with
[02:05]  * tehm0nk dies.
[02:05] <flaccid> hey its not our fault if you use sudo for no reason
[02:05] <OilR0ck> yeah you advised .kde, and i advised .config . Anyway, knew it was a permission problem
[02:05] <david_> I wanted to make global menu changes
[02:05] <david_> but doesn't work like that.
[02:05] <OilR0ck> game time, go oilers
[02:05] <flaccid> well david_ it all depends on what you stuff up with sudo my friend
[02:06] <flaccid> OilR0ck: yeah both were advised by us :)
[02:06] <david_> I thought so as well but it was driving me nuts. I only found it by ctl-alt-f6 and renaming my home dir and creating another.
[02:06] <david_> ;) go on have a good laugh at my expense! ;)
[02:06] <flaccid> well not really
[02:06] <david_> That's also how you learn as well.
[02:06] <flaccid> im not like that
[02:06] <limac> what's you guys' views on intel vs amd processors?
[02:07] <david_> I've actually been using linux off and on for over 15 years.
[02:07] <david_> started with Red Hat 4.0
[02:07] <uoaphys> flaccid: do you know of a package/configurator/wizard for kubuntu or ubuntu that lets you configure people to login using ldap or windows domains?
[02:07] <uoaphys> so users on the domain can login to the system just like they do with windows
[02:07] <limac> intel vs amd?
[02:07] <david_> Microsoft doesn't like amd limac but I not so with linux
[02:08] <flaccid> uoaphys: nothing off the shelf. i do that stuff manually as its a sysadmin's job.
[02:08] <flaccid> creating a domain controller in mixed environment is not simple job
[02:09] <flaccid> you can google that uoaphys im sure
[02:09] <uoaphys> yea
[02:09] <gbolahan> :)
[02:09] <flaccid> like you can hook it up to samba which acts as a domain controller and also can integrate into ldap
[02:09] <david_> did drbobb get his flash fixed?
[02:10] <flaccid> there is lots on google and even the ubuntu wiki and forums on this
[02:10] <flaccid> david_: yeah
[02:10] <david_> good I'm off to bed. It's 3am where I live.
[02:10] <david_> cyall
[02:10] <uoaphys> flaccid: we have a domain here at my uni and we all join our personal systems to the domain so we can use our domain ID's to login to our systems, just wondered if that were easy to do on a linux machine
[02:11] <uoaphys> in windows you just tell it which domain to join and click reboot and it auto-joins
[02:11] <flaccid> uoaphys: yeah its easy to do, but i don't have time to walk you through it. there does seem to be some decent articles out there if you search
[02:12] <flaccid> !find ebox
[02:12] <ubotu> Found: ebox, ebox-all, ebox-ca, ebox-firewall, ebox-network (and 7 others)
[02:12] <flaccid> !info ebox
[02:12] <ubotu> ebox: eBox - Base framework. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.3-0ubuntu9 (gutsy), package size 127 kB, installed size 1220 kB
[02:12] <uoaphys> flaccid: right on man, thx
[02:13] <flaccid> uoaphys: np. the links here might help http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-322608.html
[02:13] <uoaphys> flaccid: is it supported using KDM login screen?
[02:13] <flaccid> uoaphys: a search like this: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=ubuntu+authenticate+against+windows+server&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[02:13] <flaccid> uoaphys: yeah you can use any login manager iirc, well at least kdm and gdm
[02:15] <tehm0nk> ok this is driving me Crazy
[02:15] <tehm0nk> the sound worked on the live CD now it Doesn't
[02:16] <tehm0nk> Someone please help me figure this out?
[02:16] <flaccid> hmm wish i could tehm0nk, not my forte :(
[02:16] <tehm0nk> it's drivers tho :(
[02:16] <tehm0nk> i mean
[02:16] <tehm0nk> where would settings for sound card drivers be?
[02:16] <tehm0nk> like where it says hey this is there and this is there...
[02:17] <tehm0nk> i mean the xorg.conf file doesn't have stuff like that and i can't find anything on adept, and yeah right if i'm gonna try to compile drivers
[02:17] <tehm0nk> and kill everything
[02:17] <tehm0nk> lol
[02:18] <flaccid> well things were simple in the days of OSS and then ALSA and ARTS came along and stuffed it all up. on systems like freebsd you just load the kernel mod and be done with it. linux has poor sound doco etc.
[02:18] <tehm0nk> well
[02:18] <flaccid> so is your driver a kernel mod?
[02:19] <tehm0nk> Probably or something but the deal is it WORKED on the live cd
[02:19] <tehm0nk> why didn't it just throw those same settings agh
[02:19] <flaccid> yeah not sure
[02:19] <flaccid> tried killing or restart artsd ?
[02:19] <tehm0nk> artsd?
[02:19] <flaccid> also what does aplay -l return ?
[02:20] <tehm0nk> and i mean i've rebooted... and all kinds of stuff for days
[02:20] <flaccid> yeah like killall artsd or check in ps aux | grep arts
[02:20] <flaccid> anyway what does aplay -l return
[02:21] <tehm0nk> thats interesting
[02:22] <tehm0nk> !paste
[02:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:22] <tehm0nk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49240/
[02:22] <tehm0nk> ok so it sees it now why isn't it using it right?
[02:23] <flaccid> ok what does aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Side_Left.wav return and does it play the file ?
[02:24] <tehm0nk> Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Side_Left.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
[02:24] <tehm0nk> and no sound
[02:24] <tehm0nk> yes everything is plugged in.
[02:24] <flaccid> ok check alsamixer and make sure the channels are turned up and not muted
[02:25] <flaccid> tehm0nk: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=385257 and http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=AD198x+Analog+ubuntu&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 <-- could be of help
[02:25] <neville> This is probably the wrong place to ask, but is it possible to have kooldock sitting at the bottom constantly, without it disappearing?
[02:26] <neville> Oh, nevermind
[02:26] <neville> Found it
[02:26] <tehm0nk> There we go lol
[02:26] <flaccid> tehm0nk: is this gutsy?
[02:26] <flaccid> you fix?
[02:26] <tehm0nk> i think it is gutsy
[02:26] <flaccid> or you talking bout neville?
[02:27] <Minataku> flaccid: ALSA is wonderful.
[02:27] <Minataku> It also provides OSS emulation.
[02:27] <Minataku> It's the abstractions that suck
[02:27] <flaccid> Minataku: it also is linux centric only
[02:27] <gonzalo> i have troubles installing my sound card drivers
[02:27] <flaccid> im a freebsd user...
[02:27] <gonzalo> i got a copy off the error
[02:27] <Minataku> Well of course, but as I said, it provides an emulation layer for OSS
[02:27] <flaccid> maybe alsa could make some decent doco so people can use it or troubleshoot
[02:28] <Minataku> So if you develop across platforms, just use OSS instead
[02:28] <flaccid> Minataku: yeah i know what it provides. im an OSS guy, there is no reason for alsa even though they will argue it was started because of licensing restrictions..
[02:28] <flaccid> yeah exactly ..
[02:29] <Minataku> I've never had a problem with it
[02:29] <flaccid> so that means no other users would ever have a problem right ?
[02:29] <Minataku> Don't put words in my mouth
[02:29] <flaccid> well those statements are not great to hear
[02:30] <daniele> #anime
[02:30] <Minataku> There's an anime channel here?
[02:30] <flaccid> and yeah i always have locks on the card with alsa kind of defeats the point
[02:31] <daniele> just trying...........................................
[02:31] <Minataku> lol
[02:31] <Minataku> Actually, I'd like to know, now
[02:31] <Minataku> XD
[02:31] <Minataku> It may be a fun place to visit
[02:31] <Minataku> :D
[02:33] <alaskan> Greets, everyone...
[02:34] <tim> hi
[02:34] <alaskan> Anyone have any experience fixing wireless issues with an Intel chipset? It completely stopped working with the latest kernel upgrade. I already tried downgrading the kernel, no joy.
[02:34] <flaccid> alaskan: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces please
[02:35] <tim> Can u pgrade kernel in Ubuntu 7.08 ??
[02:35] <flaccid> brb
[02:36] <alaskan> http://www.pastebin.ca/827905
[02:36] <stdin> tim: 7.08?
[02:37] <tim> u mean the latest stable one
[02:38] <stdin> then 7.10
[02:38] <tim> yeah
[02:38] <tim> how do u upgrade kernel in it?
[02:38] <stdin> just keep updated with adept to get all the updates available
[02:38] <alaskan> It upgrades with everything else automatically.
[02:38] <tim> what version does it give u?
[02:39] <alaskan> 2.6.22-14.47
[02:39] <tim> after u update?
[02:39] <stdin> 2.6.22-14-generic
[02:39] <tim> how do u upgrade to 2.6.24 ?
[02:39] <uoaphys> i read to uninstall adept and install synaptic, even if using kubuntu
[02:39] <tim> why?
[02:39] <stdin> uoaphys: don't be silly
[02:39] <tim> or why can't u keeo both of em?
[02:39] <alaskan> stdin: ?
[02:39] <alaskan> Synaptic >> Adept
[02:39] <stdin> tim: 2.6.24 isn't in 7.10, it will be in 8.04
[02:40] <stdin> alaskan: in _your_ opinion
[02:40] <tim> No way u can make it ibn 7.10 ?
[02:40] <maybeway36> Adept is ok
[02:40] <maybeway36> but I like aptitude (i'm geeky)
[02:40] <alaskan> stdin: In everyone's opinion that I've talked to about it. :-)
[02:41] <stdin> alaskan: and that means that you "need to uninstall adept and install synaptic"?
[02:41] <maybeway36> i actually prefer adept over synaptic
[02:41] <alaskan> Who said anything about *needing* to?
[02:41] <maybeway36> dont ask me why
[02:41] <stdin> tim: you could add the deb-src line from hardy to your sources.list, then "sudo apt-get -b source linux-source-2.6.24"
[02:41] <alaskan> uoaphys: Install Synaptic and see how you like it. If you prefer it over Adept, get rid of Adept.
[02:42] <tim> but is it safe???
[02:42] <maybeway36> ditto alaskan
[02:42] <stdin> tim: it will make some .debs, so you can always remove the packages if it doesn't work
[02:43] <tim> but usually is it safe?
[02:43] <Minataku> Depending on what OS I'm using, I prefer either Portage or pkg_add
[02:43] <Minataku> But I use Gentoo and NetBSD
[02:43] <Minataku> lol
[02:43] <tim> in ubuntu
[02:43] <stdin> tim: safe enough, it won't remove the kernel you have now just add another entry to the grub list
[02:44] <Tomi-idle> meh, anyone else noticing the kubuntu kde4 rc packages are not quite there?
[02:44] <tim> will new kernel be faster ??
[02:44] <stdin> Tomi-idle: describe "aren't quite there"
[02:44] <Tomi-idle> tim: depends on a lot of things, maybe :D
[02:44] <stdin> tim: maybe, you can't tell unless you try
[02:44] <tim> hmm.....
[02:45] <Tomi-idle> stdin: the packages seem to get the configs sorted in a shape no human could possibly fix
[02:45] <Tomi-idle> stdin: a bit overexaggerated
[02:45] <flaccid> alaskan: remove everything below netmask 255.0.0.0 then do a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart then restart knetworkmanager then you should be right
[02:45] <maybeway36> i'll go get a dog
[02:45] <stdin> Tomi-idle: what do you mean exactly?
[02:47] <alaskan> flaccid: I think I already tried that, but I'll give it another shot. BRB
[02:47] <Tomi-idle> stdin: the way the plasma desktop handles isn't really a pleasure, nothing gets docked on the dock-widget, when rotating/scaling widgets everything loses their coordinates on desktops space
[02:47] <alaskan> flaccid: And you mean "comment out", not "remove", right? :-P
[02:48] <stdin> Tomi-idle: that's nothing to do with the packages, that upstream
[02:48] <Tomi-idle> stdin: and a few really weird problems.. i'll try it on 32bit when 8.04 is released and see if things are improved. :)
[02:48] <flaccid> alaskan: i would remove myself as the implementation is to let users control network ad hoc
[02:49] <Tomi-idle> stdin: what's the latest on whether to have LTS or kde4?
[02:49] <stdin> Tomi-idle: there will be no kubuntu LTS
[02:50] <flaccid> Tomi-idle: http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.12.20/kubuntu-804-featuring-kde-4/
[02:50] <tim> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=945&num=1
[02:50] <flaccid> lts was a load of &&^* in the first place heh
[02:50] <tehm0nk> lol installing wow to see how it'll run on linux :-x
[02:50] <flaccid> its a marketing term is you ask me
[02:52] <flaccid> like the ironic thing is say a corp stays on dapper for LTS, they call support find out their problem is dapper and the solution is to upgrade release/version. thats irony...
[02:52] <Tomi-idle> stdin: flaccid: thx :D
[02:52] <flaccid> because bugs are fixed in the next release, LTS is security related and relies on devs to fix things
[02:52] <flaccid> hehe
[02:53] <alaskan> flaccid: No dice, thanks anyway though
[02:53] <flaccid> alaskan: are you trying wired or wireless interface?
[02:53] <alaskan> http://www.pastebin.ca/827922 After that, no connection at all.
[02:53] <flaccid> um yes you restart knetworkmanager and select the connection there. there will be no connection by default.
[02:54] <flaccid> if you are using wired only you could see if the dhcp server responds by doing a sudo dhclient eth0
[02:54] <alaskan> agh... one sec...
[02:55] <flaccid> lol 8.04 is indexed in google as LTS heh
[02:57] <alaskan_> Brilliant. My mistake, flaccid. Thanks a lot. :-)
[02:58] <alaskan_> I'm off. Thanks again. Peace.
[03:00] <flaccid> np my friend
[03:01] <arrrghhh> hey all, i can't get alsamixer to save my settings... i've tried the alsactl restore on startup to no effect.  every time i restart the machine (or window manager) i have to re-run alsamixer and crank the volume back up.
[03:03] <flaccid> arrrghhh: use kmix and right click on it and assign the master channel to pcm. select the desired volume. log out then log back in to test. if kmix doesn't keep the sound level and master channel could be a perm problem
[03:03] <flaccid> perms i mean
[03:04] <arrrghhh> kmix?  ok.
[03:04] <arrrghhh> ERROR: Communication problem with kmix, it probably crashed.
[03:05] <arrrghhh> i've never used kmix before...
[03:06] <arrrghhh> brb, i'm gonna test something
[03:06] <flaccid> sounds like something is a miss
[03:08] <arrrghhh> flaccid: i was trying to run kmix from the terminal, that was probably the issue... but everything i've seen suggested hasn't worked for me thus far
[03:09] <flaccid> well kmix should work if it doesn't something is wrong
[03:10] <flaccid> its the speaker icon in the tray
[03:10] <arrrghhh> yea, i got it open
[03:10] <flaccid> have you assigned the master channel via right click
[03:11] <arrrghhh> uh, no... but i'm not sure what to do i already have a master volume slider
[03:11] <flaccid> so right click select master channel
[03:11] <arrrghhh> ok
[03:12] <flaccid> if you have it on master and when you reduce the master from the icon , it doesn't reduce volume then you need to assign it to pcm channel
[03:12] <Zabulus> ok, need some help with getting side mouse buttons to work
[03:13] <arrrghhh> Zabulus: unless there's drivers for linux for the mouse, i doubt it
[03:13] <arrrghhh> flaccid: i'm confused, how do i assign the pcm channel as the master?
[03:14] <flaccid> Zabulus: you can do that with xmodmap iirc
[03:14] <flaccid> right click kmix and select master channel with kmix, arrrghhh
[03:15] <arrrghhh> oh i was trying to right click in the program itself... d'oh.
[03:15] <DarkJimmy> is synaptics in kubuntu 7.10?
[03:15] <flaccid> Zabulus: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto
[03:15] <arrrghhh> ok let's see how this works
[03:15] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: no, but adept package manager is
[03:15] <arrrghhh> DarkJimmy: kde uses adept
[03:15] <flaccid> !find synaptics
[03:15] <ubotu> Found: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, gsynaptics, ksynaptics, libsynaptics-dev, libsynaptics0 (and 2 others)
[03:15] <flaccid> !info ksynaptics | DarkJimmy
[03:15] <ubotu> darkjimmy: ksynaptics: Synaptics TouchPad configuration tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.3-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 228 kB, installed size 1156 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm armeb armel hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc sparc)
[03:15] <hypernewbie> rofl
[03:15] <flaccid> i guess you mean the package manager, DarkJimmy
[03:16] <arrrghhh> er
[03:16] <DarkJimmy> for some reason adept won't allow downloading new drivers because they are propietary..
[03:16] <arrrghhh> yea i was referring to the package manager
[03:16] <flaccid> DarkJimmy: could be blacklisted
[03:16] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: or try download these in System Settings
[03:16] <DarkJimmy> :<
[03:16] <arrrghhh> curious, what driver DarkJimmy?
[03:16] <hypernewbie> K->system settings->advanced->restricted drivers
[03:17] <DarkJimmy> hypernewbie that's where I'm trying
[03:17] <DarkJimmy> arrrghhh: for nvidia geforce 4 go
[03:17] <flaccid> DarkJimmy: juse use what hypernewbie suggested and adept for packages normally
[03:17] <arrrghhh> DarkJimmy: i'd recommend downloading drivers directly from nvidia and compiling from source.
[03:18] <flaccid> restricted manager is all that is needed for restricted drivers such as nvidia and ati
[03:18] <arrrghhh> that's how i had to do to get my nvidia card.  the restricted drivers manager didn't work at all.
[03:18] <arrrghhh> brb
[03:18] <DarkJimmy> flaccid: doesn't work
[03:18] <hypernewbie> restricted drivers manager worked for me
[03:18] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: whats wrong? does it complain when downloading?
[03:18] <flaccid> what exactly does it say DarkJimmy
[03:19] <DarkJimmy> when I enable the driver: The software source for the package nvidia-glx is not enabled
[03:19] <flaccid> !info nvidia-glx
[03:19] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1:1.0.9639+2.6.22.4-14.10 (gutsy), package size 4387 kB, installed size 13352 kB
[03:19] <flaccid> need to enable restricted
[03:19] <arrrghhh> flaccid: so that was easy... sheesh.
[03:19] <flaccid> goto manage repos in menu and enable
[03:20] <DarkJimmy> what menu?
[03:20] <flaccid> in adept_manager DarkJimmy
[03:20] <flaccid> !adept | DarkJimmy
[03:20] <ubotu> DarkJimmy: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[03:20] <flaccid> um synaptic is available in gutsy, but kubuntu uses adept and it is what we support here
[03:21] <arrrghhh> you can use synaptic in kubuntu... i use it because i prefer it to adept
[03:21] <flaccid> its a gnome application and not part of kubuntu base. most of use are used to adept.
[03:22] <flaccid> choise is great but
[03:22] <flaccid> err choice
[03:22] <arrrghhh> flaccid: true, but i personnally (and others i'm sure too) prefer it to adept.
[03:22] <arrrghhh> i don't really like adept, but i use it to update the system because as you said it's what kde uses.
[03:22] <flaccid> which is totally cool, a lot of us just don't know it very well
[03:22] <arrrghhh> yea, true.
[03:22] <flaccid> its simple, i mean people say they don't like it but never give a reason why..
[03:23] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: u need to enable repositories, K->System->Adept Manager->Adept(menu item)->MAnage repositories->Download from the internet->tick everything but source code->close->
[03:23] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: close adept -> go to restricted manager thing->try again
[03:23] <hypernewbie> sorry
[03:23] <arrrghhh> flaccid: i honestly don't like how it looks when you start it up... searching seems easier in synaptic... but i'm probably biased coming from xfce which has a lot of gnome apps (like synaptic)
[03:23] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: close adept->open terminal->type in apt-get update->close terminal ->restricted manager thing->download the restricted
[03:24] <DarkJimmy> flaccid: what do I enable?
[03:24] <flaccid> arrrghhh: maybe. it looks fine to me and it has a search box that works dynamically. ah well :)
[03:24] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: read ^
[03:24] <flaccid> DarkJimmy: as per hypernewbie's advice
[03:24] <DarkJimmy> restricted was already enabled
[03:24] <DarkJimmy> that's the problem
[03:25] <flaccid> restricted needs to be enabled. then fetch updates then search and request install on the package then apply
[03:25] <arrrghhh> flaccid: yea, it's probably just my bias... it's what i started with, and it's familiar.
[03:25] <flaccid> arrrghhh: i'd love it if there was qt version :)
[03:25] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: did u go sudo apt-get update?
[03:25] <arrrghhh> yea
[03:26] <DarkJimmy> hypernewbie: yes, but it did not update
[03:26] <flaccid> why did it not update?
[03:26] <arrrghhh> i didn't find any drivers for the geforce 4 go on nvidia website... that sucks.
[03:26] <DarkJimmy> arrrghhh: you won't find them
[03:26] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: why did it not update?
[03:26] <flaccid> arrrghhh: you install via restricted-manager not nvidia website
[03:26] <DarkJimmy> hypernewbie: I don't know..
[03:26] <arrrghhh> why won't i find them?
[03:27] <DarkJimmy> arrrghhh: well, those cards usualy ship with laptops
[03:27] <arrrghhh> flaccid: restricted-manager wouldn't work... i HAD to compile the nvidia drivers off their website (only after closing any wm.)
[03:27] <flaccid> DarkJimmy: do the sudo apt-get update command from konsole and pastebin output
[03:27] <arrrghhh> yea i know, i have a geforce 6 go.
[03:27] <DarkJimmy> it's the manufacturer's job to make those drivers
[03:27] <flaccid> arrrghhh: why did it not work
[03:27] <DarkJimmy> nvidia doesn't give a crap after that so...
[03:27] <DarkJimmy> no more updated drivers
[03:28] <arrrghhh> DarkJimmy: be glad you don't have an ati card then...
[03:28] <DarkJimmy> I hate ati
[03:28] <arrrghhh> flaccid: it wouldn't recognize my 2nd monitor, and the screen resolution wouldn't go full.
[03:28] <flaccid> im on ati and nvidia and i can usually solve all problems, but we need to see the problem to be able to identify and solve
[03:28] <DarkJimmy> www.guru3d.com ftw!
[03:28] <arrrghhh> but after i dled the official nvidia drivers, it worked.
[03:28] <flaccid> arrrghhh: did you use xrandr ?
[03:28] <arrrghhh> no.. never heard of it.
[03:29] <flaccid> yes and the official drivers are done via restricted-manager / ubuntu repos not nvidia's site
[03:29] <deadsouls> how can i have a text_field that when submitted doesn't actually submit anything, but runs a javascript function?
[03:29] <flaccid> arrrghhh: thats what you use...
[03:29] <DarkJimmy> I had to get hacked windows drivers for my gf4 go
[03:29] <flaccid> deadsouls: maybe try #web
[03:29] <DarkJimmy> they worked better than the digitally signed ones
[03:30] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: wow, nvidia drivers sound promising :P
[03:30] <arrrghhh> well after i did a ctrl-alt-f1, stopped all window managers and ran the nvidia official installer, and restarted the window manager
[03:30] <DarkJimmy> hypernewbie: I think they suck, but they are the ones that suck less that the rest..
[03:30] <flaccid> what you do is look at the log and startx manually after killing kdm. this is how you find out what the actual problem is...
[03:31] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: ati is perfectly fine until u get openGL'ed
[03:31] <deadsouls> flaccid, oops wrong channel :)
[03:31] <arrrghhh> it worked... recognized my 2nd monitor (at 1920x1080) and my first (at 1280x1024) and the restricted drivers manager didn't do shit... although i've never tried the restricted driver manager in kde...
[03:31] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: anyway can u paste the output of apt-get update?
[03:31] <flaccid> restricted manager is not going to help you set up multiple displays...
[03:31] <DarkJimmy> YES! it works!!
[03:31]  * flaccid beats himself in the head
[03:32] <DarkJimmy> always the damn stupid defaults
[03:32] <DarkJimmy> ..
[03:32] <arrrghhh> flaccid: i didn't expect it to... i just wanted it to let me configure it.  the only time it worked is when i did the official installer, trust me.  it took for freakin ever to get that damned video card to work in linux.  it was almost a deal-breaker.
[03:33] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: it worked?
[03:33] <flaccid> there is zero configuration with restricted manager. still you have no idea why it wasn't working because you didn't check logs.
[03:33] <DarkJimmy> hypernewbie: let me boot it up
[03:33] <flaccid> anybody got a new problem
[03:33] <DarkJimmy> a whole pile
[03:34] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: huh?
[03:34] <DarkJimmy> well, next up is grub
[03:34] <DarkJimmy> don't even know where to start
[03:34] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: what do you mean?
[03:35] <DarkJimmy> well forget about grub
[03:35] <DarkJimmy> new and more important problem
[03:35] <hypernewbie> :S
[03:35] <DarkJimmy> i can't see anything
[03:35] <arrrghhh> flaccid: yea, how about a Malformed URL error
[03:35] <hypernewbie> did nvidia drivers install
[03:35] <dthacker> Hi any recommendations for an ogg encoder to work with kaudiocreator?
[03:36] <DarkJimmy> hypernewbie: yes
[03:36] <DarkJimmy> asked for a reboot
[03:36] <DarkJimmy> said yes
[03:36] <DarkJimmy> and..
[03:36] <hypernewbie> u rebooted and now u cant see a thing
[03:36] <hypernewbie> is the hd working
[03:36] <DarkJimmy> exactly
[03:36] <hypernewbie> wait a while
[03:37] <hypernewbie> is that a laptop by any chance
[03:37] <DarkJimmy> it is
[03:37] <hypernewbie> k
[03:37] <hypernewbie> wait a while, see of the hd light is working
[03:37] <DarkJimmy> it is
[03:37] <hypernewbie> if you see your login screen, then its an easy fix from that on
[03:38] <hypernewbie> if you can't see your login screen and your comp has been idle for ages, then i'm outta ideas :(
[03:38] <DarkJimmy> no login screen :<
[03:38] <flaccid> arrrghhh: yeah that one is the kde profile. #kde would help better with that. thats a pain
[03:38] <hypernewbie> :(
[03:38] <hypernewbie> is hd light wokring
[03:38] <DarkJimmy> yeah
[03:38] <hypernewbie> let it do random stuff then
[03:38] <DarkJimmy> sound works too
[03:38] <hypernewbie> huh
[03:39] <flaccid> DarkJimmy: goto a tty and kill kdm by sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[03:39] <hypernewbie> sounds working?
[03:39] <flaccid> then run startx manual to see what the problem is. this is if its booted but no X..
[03:39] <arrrghhh> this came outta nowhere... sometimes linux pisses me off.  i didn't do anything that should've caused this, it just happened.
[03:39] <hypernewbie> flaccid: thats if his tty shows
[03:39] <flaccid> arrrghhh: i've had your problem about 5 times. i agree with  you entirely
[03:39] <tim> GUYS!! plz tell me how to upgrade to 2.6.24 kernel ?
[03:40] <hypernewbie> arrrghhh: lol, at least ubuntu doesnt randomly show up in 320x200 16 colors anymore :P
[03:40] <arrrghhh> hypernewbie: true that.  just reminds me of being microshafted when stuff changes like that
[03:40] <flaccid> !kernel | tim
[03:40] <ubotu> tim: The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[03:41] <flaccid> you are on +1 tim, if so #ubuntu+1
[03:41] <arrrghhh> tim: that's not stable, isn't it?
[03:41] <tim> My question is how to upgrade to it?
[03:41] <flaccid> tim: simply via adept if its in your repos..
[03:41] <flaccid> or apt-get update
[03:41] <tim> it is not I have add a line
[03:41] <flaccid> i mean sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade;
[03:41] <tim> I have to add a line to my repos to upgrde to it
[03:42] <tim> what line ?
[03:42] <arrrghhh> if it's not stable, then you probably have to compile it yourself tim
[03:42] <tim> sombody jsut told me that but i fogot
[03:42] <flaccid> no tim, the kernel must be in your repos
[03:42] <arrrghhh> am i wrong?
[03:42] <flaccid> in one of the sources
[03:42] <tim> it is allready compiled
[03:42] <tim> i just need to install it
[03:42] <tim> tell me plz how to do it
[03:42] <flaccid> i already have tim
[03:42] <arrrghhh> oh
[03:43] <arrrghhh> use google?
[03:43] <flaccid> you might wanna check the latest kernel in the repos
[03:43] <biovore> how to build a kernel on ubuntu http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[03:43] <tim> it is not
[03:43]  * DarkJimmy cries in vain
[03:43] <flaccid> tim: you can't upgrade a kernel if its not available. we support the current version of kubuntu here
[03:43] <tim> flaccid,  plz tell me how do i get it?
[03:43] <flaccid> tim: already have man. quit it
[03:44] <alesan> what is the preferred way to set that when I click a link in konversation it must open it with firefox?
[03:44] <tim> it is ok jsut tell me how do upgrade it u dont have to support it for me
[03:44] <arrrghhh> tim: what's wrong with the stable kernel?
[03:44] <tim> just tell me how do i get it?
[03:44] <flaccid> you could download the .deb for the kernel and install manual, but i have not used ubuntu+1
[03:44] <hydrogen> tim: google kernel upgrade ubuntu
[03:44] <sterilegenie> if you want the latest kernel go to kernel.org and roll your own?
[03:44] <alesan> not that I don't like konqueror but I prefer to have firefox for this
[03:44] <hydrogen> theres a "ubuntu way" to make your own kernel
[03:44] <tim> nothing wrong jsut simply tell me what line to I add to get a newer kerenl
[03:44] <flaccid> !commonsense
[03:44] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[03:44] <hydrogen> tim: google it.
[03:44] <tim> i tried can't find it
[03:44] <biovore> ubuntu way to make a kernel -> http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[03:44] <tim> all i need is to find what line do i get
[03:44] <arrrghhh> tim: it's there... guaranteed.
[03:44] <flaccid> tim: try listening to what i say
[03:45] <DarkJimmy> how can I revert my graphics driver to its previous state?
[03:45] <tim> it is not their
[03:45] <flaccid> tim: incorrect there is no line. we don't know the repos if there is a dedicated one for the kernel..
[03:45] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: whats wrong
[03:45] <hydrogen> !kernel
[03:45] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[03:45] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: do you get a console screen at all
[03:45] <tim> plz help me to find the dedicated one for it?
[03:45] <hydrogen> tim: there isn't one.
[03:45] <DarkJimmy> hypernewbie: yeah
[03:45] <flaccid> tim: stop it.
[03:45] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: yes to console screen?
[03:45] <DarkJimmy> yes
[03:45] <sterilegenie> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:46] <DarkJimmy> stopped kdm
[03:46] <biovore> tim: what are you changing from the stock kernel.. what you need thats not in it?
[03:46] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: now type startx and give us the error it spits
[03:46] <DarkJimmy> started it too, and still blank
[03:46] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: oh
[03:46] <arrrghhh> does anyone happen to know where system menu stores the links to those items?
[03:46] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: would a dpg-reconfigure work here guys? i'm a bit flat here
[03:46] <biovore> DarkJimmy: apt-get install xterm and then run xterm and see what it complains about..
[03:46] <tim> i just wanna try it
[03:46] <hydrogen>  /usr/share/services is  aplace to start arrrghhh
[03:46] <sterilegenie> darkjimmy........... sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:47] <tim> plz help me to find what line do I add to the repos ?
[03:47] <arrrghhh> thanks hydrogen
[03:47] <flaccid> um can we please see the output, no need to edit a config yet for DArkj
[03:47] <arrrghhh> hypernewbie: yes, dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver -phigh
[03:47] <arrrghhh> i think...
[03:47] <flaccid> arrrghhh: ~/.local/share/application and there is one for kde somewhere in ~/.kde
[03:47] <hypernewbie> yeah but will it help...
[03:47] <arrrghhh> it's been a while since i had to fiddle with my vid card.
[03:48] <flaccid> why reconfigure when we don't know the problem to begin with. always find the problem first. don't assume
[03:48] <hypernewbie> true
[03:48] <tim> can u plz help me with it?
[03:48] <tim> or no?
[03:48] <hypernewbie> well, u can open xorg.conf and see if its trying to set your res to like 1600x1200 or something
[03:48] <tim> and why not?
[03:48] <tim> if yes plz help me
[03:48] <flaccid> tim: no. we don't support the next version of ubuntu here, period.
[03:48] <hydrogen> tim: asked and answered.
[03:49] <hydrogen> and mixing two versions of ubuntu isn't supported *anywhere*
[03:49] <flaccid> we gave all the additional info you require dtim
[03:49] <tim> i am not trying to get a next verson of Ubuntu all i ask is what line do i add?
[03:49] <tim> can u plz help me with that?
[03:49] <hypernewbie> tim: u dont add anything
[03:49] <arrrghhh> tim: it's stupid to support unstable stuff.
[03:49] <sterilegenie> what do i need to install to have quicktime playback in fireefox
[03:49] <hypernewbie> tim: you uncomment deb http://whatever lines
[03:49] <arrrghhh> i don't see what the problem with stable.
[03:49] <arrrghhh> is
[03:49] <hydrogen> err
[03:50] <hydrogen> I'd suggest not giving him any suggestions
[03:50] <hydrogen> everything thus far
[03:50] <DarkJimmy> I need to let the laptop cool of for a while..
[03:50] <tim> can u plz tell me what axact lines?
[03:50] <hydrogen> is going to lead to a pretty unreliable system
[03:50] <flaccid> can someone tell tim to stop or leave
[03:50] <hydrogen> tim: we've already told you the "proper way" to make your own 2.6.24 kernel for gutsy
[03:50] <hydrogen> thats the only smart thing you can do
[03:50] <flaccid> hes not on gutsy..
[03:50] <hydrogen> and even thats of questionable merit
[03:51] <hydrogen> yes he is
[03:51] <hydrogen> he wants 2.6.24 for "stable kubuntu"
[03:51] <tim> It is all ready made. all i need to do is to find it and download it
[03:51] <flaccid> is he well thats even worse
[03:51] <hydrogen> which is gutsy
[03:51] <flaccid> my gutsy is
[03:51] <tim> just plz help me to find it
[03:51] <hydrogen> tim: no, you need to make it. there is no 2.6.24 kernel for gutsy
[03:51] <flaccid> 2.6.22-14-generic
[03:51] <tim> yes there is
[03:51] <tim> just need to find it
[03:51] <flaccid> tim: then where is it?
[03:51] <biovore> tim: make modules install?
[03:51] <flaccid> hahahah there isn't its not in the repos
[03:51] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: yeah, it could be nvidia drivers completely owned up ur x server, it could be just something much mroe trivial
[03:51] <biovore> but your kernel needs initrd probably..
[03:52] <hypernewbie> DarkJimmy: like it trying to go to a resolution ur monitor doesnt have
[03:52]  * hydrogen has a 2.6.23 for gutsy but its been customized for his system
[03:52] <tim> it is not int he repos but u can add it
[03:52] <flaccid> !info linux-generic
[03:52] <ubotu> linux-generic: Complete Generic Linux kernel. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[03:52] <sterilegenie> tim why dont you look for it with the whereis command
[03:52] <flaccid> see tim..
[03:52] <arrrghhh> tim i'm on gutsy, and it's 2.6.22-14
[03:52] <biovore> yup
[03:52] <tim> u can add a line to ur repos and upgrade to 2.6.24
[03:53] <tim> all u need to know is what line
[03:53] <hydrogen> then do it.
[03:53] <tim> thats it
[03:53] <biovore> 2.6.24 dosn't exsist
[03:53] <flaccid> tim: we don't suppor that.
[03:53] <tim> i am not asking u to support it .. just plz tell me what line do i add
[03:53] <biovore> 2.6.24 you have to build from source and install manualy
[03:53] <arrrghhh> tim: we're not going to help you.  google is your friend.  end of story.
[03:53] <biovore> its not a repo
[03:53] <flaccid> so please lay the topic to rest tim
[03:53] <flaccid> tim: no. do you understand that?
[03:53] <hydrogen> there is no line you can add to get a 2.6.24 for gutsy
[03:53] <arrrghhh> DarkJimmy: did you try that dpkg-reconfigure command?
[03:53] <sterilegenie> tim linux is a bit of work stop expecting everyoone to do it for you
[03:53] <hydrogen> anyways
[03:53] <hydrogen> lets move on
[03:53] <tim> hydrogen,  yes there is one...
[03:53] <arrrghhh> i had to use it a lot when i had problems with my vid card.
[03:54] <hydrogen> this horse has some fairly large gashes in it
[03:54] <hydrogen> and has been dead for a while
[03:54] <flaccid> hehe
[03:54] <hypernewbie> arrrghhh: nah, dont reconfigure, might stuff him up more
[03:54] <flaccid> m00
[03:54] <DarkJimmy> ace_suares
[03:54] <DarkJimmy> dammit
[03:54] <DarkJimmy> ignora that :P
[03:54] <flaccid> DarkJimmy: how did you go pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log or at least looking at it
[03:55] <DarkJimmy> my laptop is like an oven right now, needs to cool down a bit
[03:55] <DarkJimmy> old pentium 4's are like that
[03:55] <sterilegenie> TIM------- go here --->>>> http://www.kernel.org/
[03:55] <sterilegenie> theres your kernel
[03:55] <hypernewbie> sounds overclocked
[03:55] <DarkJimmy> not at all
[03:55] <DarkJimmy> just.. old
[03:56] <flaccid> DarkJimmy: i would check to see whats going hectic, otherwise maybe tis the vid card doing the heat
[03:56] <arrrghhh> yea my p4 3.06 ghz laptop from 2003 ran REAL hot.
[03:56] <flaccid> then again p4 is a desktop chip in a notebook that requires a lot of cooling
[03:56] <DarkJimmy> it's completely normal
[03:56] <flaccid> no processes going 100% in top
[03:57] <flaccid> p4 notebook = hot pot
[03:57] <hypernewbie> heh, sitting here with lappy amp sempron
[03:57] <hypernewbie> cool as ice :P
[03:57] <hypernewbie> amd*
[03:58] <flaccid> interesting. im on a pentium m 1.7 - asus w1000na n/b
[03:58] <arrrghhh> it's a sempron, that's why lol
[03:58] <DarkJimmy> yeah let's brag!
[03:58] <flaccid> mine is probably older than yours heh
[03:59] <arrrghhh> sweet.  i use a 286.
[03:59] <hypernewbie> yeah lets brag, i have Windows Vista muhahhahaa-no i dont
[03:59] <tim> i think i found it http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/
[03:59] <arrrghhh> it's a router that browses the web lol.
[03:59] <tim> on google
[03:59] <Zabulus> im just getting confused trying to get my side buttons working right for firefox
[03:59] <arrrghhh> tim: i thought it didn't exist?
[04:00] <flaccid> tim: good luck
[04:00] <hypernewbie> tim: good luck then, playing russian roulette with ur installation :P
[04:00] <arrrghhh> lol
[04:00] <tim> i gonna reboot and try it
[04:01] <hydrogen> so
[04:01] <hydrogen> who wants to help tim reinstall ?
[04:01] <flaccid> kernel and userland go together and future kernel for an older userland probably not stable
[04:01] <flaccid> hehe yeah
[04:01] <hydrogen> well
[04:01] <DarkJimmy> tim, http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com should have been your first try before asking here..
[04:01] <hydrogen> the userland is actually a lot separate from the kernel
[04:01] <hydrogen> you can upgrade one without the other
[04:01] <hydrogen> but there are a number of kernel-esque packages
[04:01] <hydrogen> ubuntu breaks modules out fex
[04:01] <ardchoille> !language | DarkJimmy
[04:01] <ubotu> DarkJimmy: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[04:02] <flaccid> yeah but changes in kernel for userland code thats specific to kernel..
[04:02] <DarkJimmy> ardchoille: that's actually an url
[04:02] <flaccid> im not sure if what i said made sense but yeah
[04:02] <hydrogen> most of it goes through glibc
[04:02] <hydrogen> and the kernel is backwards compatabile
[04:02] <hydrogen> it shouldn't be a problem
[04:02] <ardchoille> DarkJimmy: But the language is not acceptable here.
[04:03] <tim> i though i are more proffesional and can google it better
[04:03] <DarkJimmy> understood
[04:03] <flaccid> we are forgetting about bug fixes in kernel and userlands
[04:03] <hydrogen> huh?
[04:03] <flaccid> different if you have a reason to upgrade kernel to address something like a bug
[04:03] <hydrogen> its still backwards compatabile
[04:04] <hydrogen> you can upgrade your kernel and kernel modules without affecting the rest of your system
[04:04] <hydrogen> obviously packages that ship with kernel modules (vm software fex) will break if you don't build the modules against the new version
[04:04] <flaccid> yes but we both know in the programming world a change of variables. when things are designed backwards compatible doesn't guarantee
[04:04] <hydrogen> that still doesn't change the fact
[04:04] <hydrogen> that you can upgrade your kernel
[04:05] <hydrogen> and your userland will not break
[04:05] <flaccid> it won't break. it will run, im say its not ideal although in theory it is
[04:05] <hydrogen> the only thing you might miss out on is new features in the new kernel
[04:05] <hydrogen> that aid userland apps
[04:05] <hydrogen> inotify fex
[04:06] <flaccid> a lot can be the fault of the developers of the application in userland with their kernel specific code if any
[04:06] <hydrogen> you are not making any sense
[04:06] <flaccid> this happened more in the past and prior to generic kernels
[04:06] <flaccid> yeah im not really, im not great at explaining. would be easier if i find an example
[04:07] <hypernewbie> ironic this argument is taking place in a kubuntu irc channel of all linux places
[04:07] <flaccid> not really an argument im in agreeance, just can't explain this one
[04:08] <flaccid> not sure how to search on google for this one. anyway i'll let you know if i can find something
[04:09] <hypernewbie> heh, tim won't be back for at least 55 mins, 10 mins to realise hes stuffed up, 45 to reinstall
[04:10] <ardchoille> lol
[04:10] <flaccid> yeah and in that time i will try to find something for hydrogen so i don't look like a wang
[04:10] <xehnida> excuse me, what can i do to fix segmentation fault for firefox
[04:11]  * hydrogen doesn't answer that
[04:11] <ardchoille> hehe
[04:11] <flaccid> who me hydrogen?
[04:12] <flaccid> anyway i bbs
[04:13] <tim> ok i just installed the new kernel and booted into it
[04:13] <tim> and it works fine
[04:14] <flaccid> sweet as
[04:14] <tim> u can find it at http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/
[04:14] <tim> u still have option to choose between ur old kernel during the boot up?
[04:14] <flaccid> did you recompile all your kernel dependent mods
[04:14] <flaccid> yeah if you put it in grub
[04:15] <tim> not i just cliked with kpackage on deb and installed it
[04:16] <tim> and it was put to grub automaticl;y
[04:16] <flaccid> yeah its separate
[04:16] <tim> yes of course it is separate
[04:18] <tim> don't feel anything different though
[04:18] <arrrghhh> food time.  keep it real kubuntu kids.
[04:18] <flaccid> i dont' see how you would feel anything different
[04:19] <tim> I told it exists ..... And u told me it does not exist !
[04:19] <flaccid> its a point release of the linux kernel
[04:19] <flaccid> not within the scope of the support
[04:19] <hydrogen> no one told you it didn't exist
[04:19] <hydrogen> we told you there was no one line for you to add
[04:19] <flaccid> of course linux kernels exist for download you gave you many links for that. the one you used is one archive
[04:19] <tim> i bet there is a line if u look for it...
[04:19] <tim> u can find anything on google
[04:19] <flaccid> tim: you can make your own line from that URL..
[04:20] <tim> yep
[04:20] <flaccid> still the question remains why you needed to upgrade the kernel
[04:21] <tim> just of having nothign else to do
[04:21] <flaccid> i think you mentioned something about stability before , not testing
[04:27] <ganjamaniac> high
[04:29] <Zabulus> can someone help me figure out how to get the side buttons on my mouse to work for going back/forward web pages in firefox?
[04:32] <misslissa_> in amarok i get an error message that there is no suitable dumax program
[04:32] <misslissa_> and no decoder
[04:32] <misslissa_> what should i do
[04:32] <nixternal> Zabulus: http://www.overclock.net/linux-unix-mac/193927-faq-getting-mouse-side-buttons-work.html
[04:32] <nixternal> Zabulus: that worked for one of my mice, but not another iirc
[04:32] <nixternal> misslissa_: are you trying to play a stream?
[04:33] <misslissa_> radio station
[04:33] <misslissa_> is that stream? :)
[04:33] <nixternal> which radio station, see if it happens to me
[04:33] <nixternal> misslissa_: that would be a stream, yet :)
[04:33] <nixternal> err, yes :)
[04:33] <misslissa_> DnbRadio [Drum and Bass]\
[04:33] <nixternal> I can spell, really I can
[04:33] <misslissa_> lol
[04:33]  * nixternal looks
[04:33] <misslissa_> kinda new
[04:33] <misslissa_> very teachable
[04:34] <misslissa_> I am a IT student 1 year into my AA for Computer Support Specialist
[04:34] <nixternal> ok, it is working for me...so you are probably missing a codec
[04:34] <misslissa_> probably
[04:34] <misslissa_> I just downloaded kubuntu as a dual boot
[04:34] <nixternal> misslissa_: did you install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:34] <misslissa_> doin updates right now maybe it will catch it
[04:34] <misslissa_> ooohhh
[04:35] <misslissa_> no yet
[04:35] <nixternal> if not, try that and restart amarok, that should help you out
[04:35] <misslissa_> do you remember the apt-get command for restricted drivers possible
[04:35] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:35] <misslissa_> thanks you have been very helpfull
[04:36] <misslissa_> I really apprecieate you takin the time
[04:36] <nixternal> no problem, glad I could help
[04:36] <misslissa_> I have thousands of questions all the time
[04:36] <misslissa_> I want to learn a little bit of this and that
[04:36] <nixternal> well, as long as someone is around, we try to answer them all
[04:36] <misslissa_> AWSOME
[04:36] <nixternal> and before you know it, you will be answering others :)
[04:37] <nixternal> it is one big happy circle
[04:37] <misslissa_> thats my goal
[04:37] <misslissa_> career wise
[04:37] <nixternal> groovy
[04:37] <misslissa_> but got to gain knowledge first
[04:37] <misslissa_> :)
[04:37] <misslissa_> right now im working on file sharing
[04:37] <misslissa_> between windows and kubuntu
[04:38] <misslissa_> I tried wine thinkin samba will work better
[04:38] <nixternal> that one either works with no problems, or causes you to rip out hair
[04:38] <nixternal> samba is the way to go on that one
[04:38] <nixternal> once you have samba setup, you pretty much share your files/directories the same way you do in Windows
[04:38] <nixternal> !samba
[04:38] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:39] <nixternal> there you go, that should help you out as well with samba
[04:39] <misslissa_> deffinately
[04:39] <misslissa_> I cant tell you how much it means to me to finally get some answers
[04:39] <misslissa_> some of the IRC stations people are so mean
[04:39] <nixternal> we can be mean too, but it is the holidays :)
[04:39] <misslissa_> they keep telling me to go some where else like im not good enough for there site
[04:39] <nixternal> just kidding, only a few of us are mean
[04:39] <nixternal> hehe
[04:39] <misslissa_> lol
[04:45] <flaccid> misslissa_: that is a bug in xine. if you keep pressing play it should eventually work as long as the codec is installed
[04:46] <flaccid> as in the amarok no demux problem
[04:46] <flaccid> gone heh
[04:49] <flake> can anyone recommend a good somewhat cheap usb power backup
[04:51] <flake> oops not usb but UPS
[04:51] <flake> tripplite is namebrand
[04:55] <cameron_> hello um well this is a pretty simple question i found amsn in adept manager and i clicked request install but how do i actually get it to start installing??
[04:55] <stdin> click apply
[04:56] <cameron_> apply changes is greyed out
[04:56] <stdin> then make sure you have selected "request install" on the package
[04:57] <DarkJimmy> ok, got my laptop running again
[04:57] <cameron_> i did it says  package amsn status not installed request install ??
[04:57] <DarkJimmy> did a sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf, it is empty
[04:58] <cameron_> well stdin wat u think?
[04:58] <cameron_> maybe im not root?
[04:58] <cameron_>  how do i check if im running it as root?
[05:00] <stdin> cameron_: it should have told you that you wern't root when you started adept
[05:00] <cameron_> i just run it threw system then adept
[05:01] <stdin> did it ask for your password?
[05:01] <W1ZrD> Could someone help me with: http://pastebin.com/d62010154 ?
[05:01] <cameron_> no
[05:01] <cameron_> it didnt
[05:01] <cameron_>  ok um
[05:01] <cameron_>  i dunno but i re ran and now its working sorry
[05:02] <W1ZrD> fglrx messing about
[05:03] <cameron_> how do i get it so it only shows the app that are on the workspace i am currently in?
[05:03] <stdin> W1ZrD: you need to remove fglrx-6-8-0 first
[05:04] <cameron_> ??
[05:04] <stdin> cameron_: right click kicker -> configure panel -> taskbar, 1st option
[05:05] <W1ZrD> and it would be enough to simply remove it from /usr/bin, or is there something else?
[05:05] <stdin> no, you need to remove it with apt or dpkg
[05:05] <cameron_> thx
[05:05] <W1ZrD> oh..
[05:06] <W1ZrD> that I have forgotten since long how to do :)
[05:06] <stdin> "sudo apt-get remove fglrx-6-8-0" or "dpkg --remove fglrx-6-8-0"
[05:06] <W1ZrD> lol
[05:06] <stdin> erm, with "sudo" before "dpkg"
[05:06] <W1ZrD> yea
[05:06] <W1ZrD> thanks, I'll give it a go
[05:07] <W1ZrD> does it matter that I did depmod -a before?
[05:07] <W1ZrD> (during the installation that failed)
[05:08] <stdin> shouldn't matter
[05:08] <DarkJimmy> how can I go back on a driver change?
[05:10] <W1ZrD> should I purge after remove, or just leave it?
[05:11] <stdin> W1ZrD: no need to purge
[05:12] <Zabulus> ok, still need help with extra mouse buttons, for some reason it seeing the button that should be up the same as the right button
[05:13] <Zabulus> similar problem with what should be the page back, its acting the same as scrollwheel button
[05:14] <biovore> Zabulus: what mouse you have?
[05:15] <flaccid> DarkJimmy: its case sensitive /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:15] <Zabulus> logitech mx400
[05:16] <biovore> in your xorg.conf in the mouse section...
[05:16] <biovore> Option      "Protocol"     "ExplorerPS/2"
[05:16] <Zabulus> did that
[05:16] <biovore> Option      "Buttons"      "7"
[05:16] <biovore> Option      "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[05:17] <biovore> Option      "ButtonMapping" "1 2 3 6 7 8"
[05:17] <biovore> Option      "Emulate3Buttons" "false" <-- may or maynot want that one..
[05:17] <K`zan> Hi Folks, got a problem with nfs mounts not mounting at boot, but can mount them manually with no problem.  Anyone see anything wrong with these fstab entries:
[05:17] <K`zan> NimitzIP:/home/vw/    /home/vw/zvsh       nfs     defaults        0 0
[05:17] <K`zan> NimitzIP:/nettmp  /nettmp                 nfs     defaults        0 0
[05:17] <Zabulus> dont bother trying to get the tilt buttons to work?
[05:18] <spawn57> K'zan, lemme check my fstab, one sec
[05:18] <K`zan> Thanks!
[05:18] <K`zan> spawn57: Thanks
[05:19] <spawn57> I didn't use defaults, I used #kishore:/home/share /media/share       nfs     rw,mountvers=3,nfsvers=3,hard,intr      0       0
[05:21] <K`zan> spawn57: THanks, will give that a go and see what happens.  FWIW, those worked fine in gentoo and fedora ?!?
[05:21] <spawn57> i used ubuntu and debian here..
[05:21] <spawn57> didja check dmesg for errors?
[05:21] <K`zan> spawn57: I am getting smarter :-).
[05:22] <spawn57> you and me both brutha lol
[05:22] <K`zan> spawn57: Err, duhh, no I didn't <blush> too busy running around in circles ATM :-(.
[05:22] <Zabulus> changing from 9 to 7 didnt work
[05:22] <K`zan> Still not sure about ubuntu, but deb stuff is kind of ancient for some things :-/.
[05:23] <nixternal> ey? how is it ancient? it is well aged, like a great wine :)
[05:24] <Zabulus> its aging like milk
[05:24] <K`zan> nixternal: No arguments there, just some apps are a bit creaky for my needs :)
[05:24] <Zabulus> sorry, was just watching jeff dunham
[05:24] <K`zan> Decided to try fedora, over that in reasonably short order :-).
[05:24] <nixternal> ok, the packages are a bit creaky or the package managers are?
[05:25] <K`zan> Last ubuntu I tried had LOTS of USB problems here, but this version doesn't have those.
[05:25] <nixternal> because rpm is not better than deb by a long shot
[05:25] <spawn57> yeah?
[05:25] <nixternal> well that isn't a .deb issue, that is your fault :p
[05:25] <K`zan> nixternal: No arguments about rpms, rech :-)
[05:25] <nixternal> hehe
[05:25] <DarkJimmy> flaccid: ok, got it
[05:25] <spawn57> K`zan: I didn't have many problems at all
[05:26] <K`zan> nixternal: Possibly, I guess there are more current respositories, I was just leary of mixing and matching.
[05:26] <DarkJimmy> mode is at 1024x768
[05:26] <nixternal> ya, I don't blame you there
[05:26] <K`zan> I sure did, I think it has to do with this not quite so common motherboard.
[05:26] <K`zan> I was quite pleased that the n800 is running a version of deb :-)!
[05:28] <DarkJimmy> will dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf revert the configuration back to how it was?
[05:29] <K`zan> Gonna try rebooting and see what happens, bbiaf.
[05:29] <Tokmol> j ilocos
[05:32] <flaccid> DarkJimmy: do an ls -l /etc/X11 | grep xorg.conf and see the last file you used you have to rename it to xorg.conf
[05:34] <DarkJimmy> it's xorg.conf already..
[05:36] <K`zan> nixternal: Nope, still not mounting and only thing out of dmesg related to nfs seems to be:
[05:36] <K`zan> [   26.648000] Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 okir@monad.swb.de).
[05:36] <K`zan> [   26.760000] NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
[05:36] <K`zan> [   26.768000] NFSD: starting 90-second grace period
[05:37] <nixternal> hrmm, you sure you meant me on that one :)
[05:38] <K`zan> Ah, yes :-).  Everything before ( all HD parts) and after those mount fine.
[05:40] <K`zan> Aha!  Manual mount no longer works, get: mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'xxx.xxx.xxx.xx' failed: RPC Error: Program/version mismatch
[05:41] <K`zan> Take this out: mountvers=3,nfsvers=3, and I can manually mount.  Lemme reboot again and see what happens.
[05:43] <Vagarock> Just so I'm absolutely sure on this:  If I install KDE4 (per http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php), and have no previous KDE4 installation sitting around, there's no known case for me breaking things?
[05:44] <Vagarock> I know it's supposed to install to it's separate dir and theoretically not break anything, but experience tells me it's better to ask someone who's tried.
[05:44] <K`zan> Nope, sigh....
[05:45] <K`zan> Guess I'll need to put something in rc.local to do it.
[05:47] <K`zan> The plot thickens, putting it in rc.local and executing it tells me it is mounted, but it doesn't show up in df.
[05:47]  * K`zan puzzled.
[05:48] <K`zan> {~} $ /etc/rc.local
[05:48] <K`zan> mount.nfs: /nettmp is already mounted or busy
[05:48] <K`zan> nfs is mounted, but not the other one. WTF?!?!?
[05:50] <K`zan> err, /nettmp is mounted, but not the other one. WTF?!?!?
[05:51] <tehm0nk> !compiz
[05:51] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[05:52] <tehm0nk> in the command window
[05:52] <tehm0nk> metacity --replace
[05:52] <tehm0nk> dont close that window tho...
[05:52] <tehm0nk> then alt+f2
[05:52] <tehm0nk> enable window decoration
[05:52] <tehm0nk> crap
[05:53] <tehm0nk> alt-f2 CCDM
[05:53] <tehm0nk> omg can't type
[05:53] <tehm0nk> CCSM
[05:53] <tehm0nk> then click window decoration
[05:53] <tehm0nk> and in command put "emerald --replace"
[05:53] <K`zan> nope, not mounting from rc.local either.  Guess I'll just have to do it manually.
[05:53] <tehm0nk> enable it
[05:54] <K`zan> Sure would be nice if the whole boot process was logged, guess I'd need to get a hardcopy terminal to do that.
[05:54] <tehm0nk> then open another alt+f2, then close your terminal
[05:54] <tehm0nk> and in the alt+f2 do a "compiz --replace"
[05:54] <tehm0nk> that worked for me
[05:55] <K`zan>  /nettmp seems to be mounted but it doesn't show up in df.  I'm really confused.
[05:55] <K`zan> but still had to manually mount the other...
[05:55] <K`zan> Out of ideas.
[05:56] <DarkJimmy> bye all, thanks for the help
[05:58] <OilR0ck> Vagarock: its really not worth install kde4 yet. it tries not to break things, but sometimes a url in a kde3 app will try to open the kde4 counterpart
[05:58] <OilR0ck> not really a rc release imo... and the kubuntu packages for it aren't great.. I'd suggest you try a livecd first
[05:59] <K`zan> Seems that it is a ubuntu bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/45842
[05:59] <K`zan> Oh well :-).
[05:59] <Vagarock> Yeah, I was considering it, but I'm out of RW-cds and hate to waste them for something I'll only use once :/
[05:59] <Vagarock> Thanks, though.
[06:00] <OilR0ck> metacity.. emerald replace? this is kubuntu. it should be compiz --replace and kwin --replace only
[06:00] <naknomik> Where is the KDE Control Center?
[06:00] <OilR0ck> yes, compiz comes with kubuntu.. outdated bot?
[06:01] <ganjamaniac> heh
[06:01] <ganjamaniac> someone has tried to patch the kernel with 6pack.diff ?
[06:01] <OilR0ck> naknomik: systemsettings
[06:01] <ganjamaniac> i got a TNC2 on SERIAL Port
[06:01] <Vagarock> naknomik: Or invoke it manually with 'kcontrol'
[06:01] <OilR0ck> and get used to it, cuz kde4 has switched to systemsettings
[06:02] <naknomik> humm... is KDE4 RC2 usable on kubuntu 7.10?
[06:02] <OilR0ck> no, not really
[06:03] <OilR0ck> plan on close to a year to replace your kde3 functionality
[06:04] <naknomik> hummm. Is compiz available for Kubuntu?
[06:04] <OilR0ck> yes
[06:04] <Dr_willis_> !compiz
[06:04] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[06:04] <OilR0ck> apt-cache search compiz
[06:04] <OilR0ck> or put compiz in the adept search
[06:05] <naknomik> I started with Ubuntu system, then did a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to get to kde. I'm happy with KDE and I want to get rid of Gnome, is that possible?
[06:05] <Dr_willis_> id say keep gnome. thers a lot of nice gnome tools
[06:05] <Dr_willis_> and its a hassle removing all the bits. :)
[06:06] <Dr_willis_> Unless You are really really short o hd space.
[06:06] <naknomik> But my menus are all clutterred now.
[06:06] <naknomik> Dr_willis_: nah, not short of HDD, I've 300G
[06:06] <felix__> hello all. how do i fix my apt-get update , i get a error saying Could not connect to localhost:4001 (127.0.0.1)
[06:07] <Dr_willis_> somehoe you got apt set to use a proxy it seems.
[06:07] <word> i'm trying to compile gmediaserver from source and it's saying "configure: error: libmagic library or magic_open function not found" even though i have libmagic-dev and libmagic1 installed..any ideas?
[06:07] <felix__> can i fix it...
[06:07] <naknomik> I got this machine upgraded to support Vista (which I got for free!), and just for fun tried Ubuntu, now I haven't logged into Vista for a month.
[06:08] <OilR0ck> why does the bot say compix isn't shipped with kubuntu when it is in the kubuntu repos for gutsy?
[06:08] <OilR0ck> compiz
[06:09] <word> i think its saying it isn't installed by default OilR0ck
[06:09] <OilR0ck> ah
[06:10] <OilR0ck> naknomik: great to hear ;)
[06:11] <Bicubic> Hi. I downloaded the kubuntu 7.10 dvd today. When it boots, my screen goes all garbled. I think its an issue with the graphics card (nv geforce 6600 agp). What can I do about it?
[06:12] <naknomik> I got really addicted to the compiz eyecandy in Gnome desktop, but I don't like Gnome, it's too dumbed down. I am a former FVWM user and I like power :-D
[06:12] <kory> Bicubic: you try booting into safe graphics mode?
[06:12] <Bicubic> how would I do that?
[06:12] <Bicubic> I don't get any prompts or anything
[06:13] <Dr_willis_> You may want to try the alternative install ce. the nvidia cards should be very well supported
[06:14] <Bicubic> from some googling I found this to be an issue http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490
[06:14] <Bicubic> I'm just not sure how to follow any of those instructions as I can't get in at all
[06:14] <K`zan> df
[06:15] <OilR0ck> naknomik: for compiz i have this installed: compiz-core,compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-fusion-plugins-main, compiz-kde, compiz-plugins, compizconfig-settings-manager,emarld, libcompizconfig-backend-kconfig, libcompizconfig0,libdecoration0,libemeraldengine0,python-compizconfig
[06:16] <OilR0ck> at that point, assuming you have nvidia and aiglx, you should be able to run compiz --replace and then ccsm
[06:16] <hydrogen> you don't need aiglx with nvidia
[06:17] <OilR0ck> because aiglx is in the nvidia driver?
[06:17] <OilR0ck> what you don't want is glx
[06:18] <hydrogen> the nvidia-drivers come with their own extensions
[06:18] <OilR0ck> yeah
[06:18] <hydrogen> that make aiglx unnecessary
[06:18]  * hydrogen just uses kwin from kde4 and is happy
[06:19] <hydrogen> but i'll sleep
[06:19] <OilR0ck> kde4 kwin was very slow for me... and not as much eyecandy
[06:19] <hydrogen> its gotten a whole lot faster
[06:20] <hydrogen> and I'm more impressed with the funcionality than the eyecandy
[06:20] <hydrogen> but thats just me!
[06:20] <OilR0ck> i mean unix/linux is about separate programs doing their thing. why is kde reinventing the wheel here when compiz is much farther ahead
[06:20] <OilR0ck> and i tried kde4 rc2 kwin
[06:21] <OilR0ck> imo, they would be better server devoting that time to kde, not copy catting what compiz is doing
[06:25] <zeno> how do i disable touchpad click
[06:25] <Dr_willis_> !find gsynaptics
[06:25] <ubotu> Found: gsynaptics
[06:25] <fignew> ksynaptics!!!!
[06:25] <Dr_willis_> !info ksynaptics
[06:25] <ubotu> ksynaptics: Synaptics TouchPad configuration tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.3-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 228 kB, installed size 1156 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm armeb armel hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc sparc)
[06:25] <Dr_willis_> Thats one way.
[06:26] <zeno> ty
[06:26] <fignew> g nonesense ;)
[06:26] <felix__> any idea how to fix my apt-get
[06:27] <Dr_willis_> felix__,  if its trying to access 127.0.0.1 port 4100 - Some how you enavbled the proxy settings for it.
[06:27] <Dr_willis_> I saw some other guy that had that issue befor.. but i am not sure how he did that.
[06:28] <felix__> yes its got me stuffed... i checked the network setting , it is set to direct conection...
[06:29] <Dr_willis_> You dident install any proxys lately?
[06:29] <Dr_willis_> I would say check the kubuntu/ubuntu forums.
[06:29] <felix__> not that i know of...
[06:29] <etfb> Just found a show-stopper bug in FireFTP, the Firefox extension that I use for FTP.  Wondering if anyone can suggest a good FTP or SFTP GUI client in KDE?
[06:29] <Dr_willis_> I never did find that setting, or how it was getting enabled.
[06:29] <surgy> how do i unpack an alchohol 120% clone in kubuntu?
[06:30] <Dr_willis_> The kde file manager can do ftp. and i think theres also a sftp kioslave
[06:30] <Dr_willis_> !find mdf
[06:30] <ubotu> Found: mdf2iso
[06:30] <Dr_willis_> if its mdf you can convert it to iso. but dont expect copyprotected games to work
[06:30] <etfb> Dr_willis: the KDE file manager?  You mean Konqueror?
[06:30] <surgy> Dr_willis_: but the image seams to be compressed into like 46 parts per image, do i have to uncompress every image?
[06:31] <Dr_willis_> surgy,  whats the exact file name? a bunch of rars ?
[06:31] <Dr_willis_> etfb,  dolphin may also have that feature, or ya can use mc. or any of a dozen other ftp clients. :) depends on your needs.
[06:31] <fignew> Konq. does it
[06:32] <surgy> Dr_willis_: the first cd is a series of "pic1.001" "pic1.002" and so on,
[06:32] <surgy> the second cd is "pic2.001" etc
[06:32] <Dr_willis_> surgy,  never seen/heard of  alchol 120 doing it that way.. may be some funky format only they use
[06:33] <Dr_willis_> could do a 'file whatever.001' and see what file sayx it is.
[06:33] <naknomik> What's the keystroke to switch between keyboard layouts?
[06:33] <surgy> Dr_willis_: but dolphin is identifying them as rar archives, so it must be like pic1.001.rar right?
[06:34] <Dr_willis_> surgy,  that would be my guess.
[06:34] <Dr_willis_> try unraring the first one and see if it works.
[06:34] <surgy> and it has a weird file for each cd called "pic.sfv" and it has everypart listed with a number that looks like  an offset to me
[06:35] <etfb> Dr_willis_: I've used a few FTP clients in KDE before and hated them all.  Unless Konq is considerably better than plain Firefox, it's not what I need either.  I'd love something like Filezilla, but it's Windows only (the Linux port is woefully underpowered and bugridden).
[06:35] <surgy> "pic1.001 b286d85d"
[06:35] <naknomik> अरे काय चाल्लाय काय ते तरी सांगा मला.
[06:35] <Dr_willis_> etfb,  No idea. I dont mess with ftp much any more.  You may want to test out the ftp fuse tools.
[06:35] <naknomik> oops wrong window.
[06:36] <sigma_kubuntu> i use the linux filezilla. works perfectly 4me
[06:36] <sonoftheclayr> Hey guys, I'm having some trouble loading glx. When i run 'startx' it tries to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libglx.so I think it is the double slash that is the problem. Does anybody have any solutions?
[06:36] <etfb> Dr_willis_: What do you use instead of FTP?
[06:36] <Dr_willis_> naknomik,  soo purty.. :)
[06:36] <naknomik> What is the shortcut to change keyboard layouts.
[06:36] <Dr_willis_> etfb,  i never need to ftp stuff around. I use ssh/scp to copy things from one machine to others.
[06:36] <etfb> sigma_kubuntu: It's awfully clunky, though.  Not a patch on the original Windows version, and I don't say something like that often.
[06:37] <sigma_kubuntu> does anyone here know xrandr pretty well?
[06:37] <etfb> Dr_willis_: OK, I'll look into scp, because my host supports and recommends ssh and scp over ftp.
[06:37] <etfb> BTW: Thanks for the tip about kioslaves.  This article <http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=76> looks very interesting!
[06:38] <surgy> !virtual cd
[06:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about virtual cd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:38] <surgy> !virtual cdrom
[06:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about virtual cdrom - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:38] <surgy> Dr_willis_: any suggestions on a virtual cd rom ?
[06:38] <fignew> sigma_kubuntu: what's up?
[06:39] <surgy> !virtual
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about virtual - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <etfb> sonoftheclayr: I'm guessing theres a config file containing <<something_or_other=/usr/lib/.../modules/>> when it should contain <<something_or_other=/usr/lib/.../modules>>.  Stupid problem - programmers should be more careful than that
[06:39] <sigma_kubuntu> etfb: yeah but thats because its a gtk app. the only thing it did weird 4me was reupload a few files dat were already uploaded successfuly da first time. but the windows version was worse. it used to half upload files and not tell me
[06:40] <etfb> sigma_kubuntu: I can't remember why I hated it, but hate it I did, and I'm not going back until the Linux port is well out of beta.
[06:41] <sigma_kubuntu> fignew: how do u move the screen a bit to the left? im outputing to a tv and the screen is a bit too to the right- the trash can gets cut off
[06:41] <sonoftheclayr> etfb: that's what i'm thinking. I just have to find it. Would it be an X or nvidia config problem?
[06:42] <sigma_kubuntu> etfb: it would help if it was in the qt language
[06:43] <etfb> sonoftheclayr: I think the trick is to look in any file with the name [thing]rc or [thing].conf, including invisible files, and search for that string.
[06:43] <etfb> Anyone know the find syntax for egrepping inside multiple files?  I always forget, and the man page is a pain...
[06:43] <etfb> sigma_kubuntu: qt language???
[06:45] <sigma_kubuntu> etfb: what kde is programmed in. gnome uses gtk
[06:47] <etfb> sigma_kubuntu: Oh, ok - not so much a language as a library.  Gotcha.  But I think the problem I encountered was general lack of testing, and lots of missing features.  Menus that did nothing, overrideable defaults that didn't save, stuff like that.  Too irritating for more than casual use.
[06:50] <sigma_kubuntu> i didnt know openoffice was gtk :(
[06:51] <sigma_kubuntu> i wish koffice was as good as it because then id switch
[06:51] <etfb> Dr_willis_: SUCCESS!  The trick is: type fish://USERNAME@SFTPSERVER into Konqy or the Alt+F2 dialog, put in your password and Voila!  Remote file manager, no worries.  Thanks for the tip!  This'll probably change how I work with Linux.
[06:51] <flaccid> you can always google grep tutorials there are many
[06:51] <flaccid> etfb: checkout krusader :)
[06:51] <etfb> sigma_kubuntu: Use MS Word for something beyond writing a suicide note and you'll quickly discover how good OOo is.
[06:52] <Xcell> lol
[06:52] <naknomik> I have compiz, and set to use cube, but I only got 2 desktops, instead of 4, how?
[06:52] <etfb> flaccid: Yeah, I know - I was hoping to save time by wasting someone else's.  Isn't that what IRC is for?
[06:52] <etfb> flaccid: I'll look at Krusader, but the solution Dr_willis helped me find is surprising useful, so I'll check it out first.
[06:53] <etfb> naknomik: This is just a guess, but: do you have your system set up to have four desktops?  I believe the Gutsy default is now two.  That might be why you're not seeing the others: they're not there!
[06:54] <naknomik> oh.
[06:54] <etfb> naknomik: Go to settings:/Desktop/ and click on Multiple Desktops
[06:55] <naknomik> It shows, I have single desktop.
[06:55] <naknomik> But in the Pager I see 1 and 2
[06:55] <sigma_kubuntu> etfb: i use openoffice. but u can feel that its slower on kde. i think theres way too much java in it
[06:57] <etfb> naknomik: What happens if you set the number of desktops to 4?
[06:57] <naknomik> I get 8
[06:57] <etfb> naknomik: Congratulations: that is officially WEIRD.
[06:57] <naknomik> hee hee... and no solution to my weird desktop?
[06:58] <etfb> naknomik: I've never touched compiz, so I can't help you there.
[06:59] <etfb> I'm tempted to try Compiz,but I have a 1.6GHz Toshiba with 1.5Gb RAM and a Centrino Duo (pretend dual-core) processor.  Will it run like a slug?
[06:59] <Bicubic> woo, I'm in the preinstall livecd
[06:59] <Bicubic> is there a partition manager I can use?
[06:59]  * etfb is frightened to think that the above specs could constitute "insufficiently powerful".  My first PC had 32K and an 80 col green screen!
[07:00] <sigma_kubuntu> i think u can use the one in the installer
[07:01] <etfb> sigma_kubuntu: Yeah, Java is a dog, but processor power is improving all the time.  It's due to become minimally usable in about 2030, if you can wait...
[07:01] <Bicubic> its not really a manager. About all it allows to do is delete, sigma_kubuntu
[07:02] <sigma_kubuntu> etfb: lol duno if im that patient
[07:02] <Bicubic> java is a terror
[07:02] <sigma_kubuntu> Bicubic: theres a manager in the ubuntu cd
[07:02] <Bicubic> after being forced to use it for 6 months, I'm more certain than ever
[07:03] <Bicubic> sigma_kubuntu, name?
[07:03] <sigma_kubuntu> why did that have to go java! well does anyone know when openoffice 3 wil b out?
[07:04] <sigma_kubuntu> Bicubic: think its gparted. its on one of the menus
[07:04] <OilR0ck> etfb: lol, that was funny
[07:04] <OilR0ck> and so true
[07:04] <larry> hi, i need help to configure a  ethernet image scanner, someone can help me?
[07:05] <flaccid> etfb: irc is for what google can't provide. was just showing you a nice file manager that is more powerful than konqueror :)
[07:05] <OilR0ck> larry: ethernet image scanner?
[07:06] <OilR0ck> ethernet scanner = wireshark
[07:06] <larry> hi OilROck
[07:06] <larry> I have a multifunction epson CX5400
[07:07] <OilR0ck> ah
[07:07] <larry> i connectec it to a multifunction printers server
[07:07] <OilR0ck> sorry then, the best help I can give is: http://www.sane-project.org/
[07:08] <larry> the printer work but kooda don't see the scanner
[07:08] <sigma_kubuntu> gee they sure did fix alot in kde4 rc2. i like the how the taskbar isnt the full width of the screen
[07:08] <larry> thank, they send me to the #sane channel
[07:09] <noobuntu> is the next kubuntu going to have kde4?
[07:09] <OilR0ck> noobuntu: i believe it will be an option to use 3 or 4
[07:09] <larry> but 	
[07:09] <larry> I did not have answers from anyone
[07:10] <etfb> flaccid: The fish:// kioslave is pretty clever though - streets ahead of what I'm used to.  But I'll give Krusader a look-over too, since I seem to recall you haven't steered me wrong yet...
[07:10] <noobuntu> OilR0ck: why do you believe that
[07:10] <OilR0ck> i read a wikki entry i think... saying they will both be supported, 3 default, 4 an option
[07:11] <etfb> OilR0ck: I'd heard KDE4 would be standard, but it makes sense to give people the option.  It's a very Debianish thing to do, making allowances for luddi^H^H^H^H^H people who are cautious.
[07:11] <OilR0ck> myself, i think 4 will be hard pressed to deliver the same functionality as 3 for the next release
[07:12] <sigma_kubuntu> i heard it will be a seperate cd :(
[07:12] <OilR0ck> it will be awesome, but has a long way to go
[07:12] <etfb> OilR0ck: Why?  It's evolution, not revolution.  Have they scrapped THAT much of KDE3?
[07:12] <OilR0ck> yes
[07:12] <OilR0ck> they have
[07:12] <etfb> OilR0ck: You're sure you're not just seeing the beta versions with some functionality deliberately switched off while they debug?
[07:13] <OilR0ck> yes, i'm sure
[07:13] <OilR0ck> its a whole new ball game
[07:13] <etfb> OilR0ck: Disturbing.  Got any pointers to reviews/analyses?
[07:13] <sigma_kubuntu> they stold our system settings menu. lol. i stil prefer kcontrol tho
[07:14] <etfb> sigma_kubuntu: That's why God^H^H^HMark Shuttleworth gave us Alt+F2!
[07:14] <OilR0ck> its not disturbing, because the break/change is good imo. just gonna take awhile
[07:14] <kristjan_> how to release shell in konsole? (e.g. if you run kwin --replace in konsole it won't give you a chance to type there anything else)
[07:14] <Dr_willis_> Bash job controll basics..
[07:14] <Dr_willis_> use ctrl-z then the 'bg' command
[07:14] <OilR0ck> they basically replaced kicker, pannels, desktop with superkaramabe
[07:14] <etfb> OilR0ck: I'd only heard good things about KDE4, but any time you throw out good code you run risks.  Ask Joel Spolsky.
[07:15] <OilR0ck> well i don't know.. but they say it wasn't good code they threw out
[07:15] <OilR0ck> it was apparently cryptic, unreadable, unmaintable
[07:15] <etfb> kristjan_: If you know you'll be suffering that, run <<myprogram &>> instead of <<myprogram>> and it will run in the background.  (The << >> are quote marks; don't type them!)
[07:15] <OilR0ck> but i'm not a kde devel, so
[07:15] <sigma_kubuntu> etfb: yeah i know that but will kcontrol even exist in kde 4
[07:16] <etfb> OilR0ck: Yeah, but every programmer says that.  Maintenance is 1000x harder than writing new stuff.
[07:16] <OilR0ck> :)
[07:16] <etfb> sigma_kubuntu: Good point...
[07:16] <kristjan_> Dr_willis: pressing ctrl-z  freezed my kde
[07:16] <etfb> kristjan_: Within the konsole?
[07:17] <OilR0ck> i wish they would have touted kde4.0 as a tech preview , which it is, but add that to the naming
[07:17] <kristjan_> etfb: yes, I pressed it after I run "kwin --replace"
[07:17] <OilR0ck> because ppl will get pumped on kde4.0 when really kde4.0 should be a year away
[07:17] <OilR0ck> which they'll call 4.1
[07:17] <OilR0ck> and i'm a huge kde fanboy... just think they could have gone about it in a better way
[07:18] <kristjan_> !fanboy
[07:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fanboy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:18] <OilR0ck> and i get the whole, release early, often, get devel working on it
[07:18] <etfb> kristjan_: I guess backgrounding a window manager isn't the way to go then.  Sorry, I know nothing more.
[07:18] <kristjan_> such a stupid word
[07:19] <etfb> kristjan_: Be glad you're not among science fiction fans, some of whom insist that the plural of "fan" is "fen", and get huffy if you get it wrong...
[07:19] <Dr_willis_> kristjan_,  or run the commands with & after them
[07:19] <kristjan_> Dr_willis_: like "kwin -- replace &&"?
[07:20] <Dr_willis_> you just need 1
[07:20] <Dr_willis_> Bash Job controll basics, :)
[07:20] <etfb> Anyhow, I only came here to ask one question, and got sidetracked (surprise, surprise!).  Better get back to work...
[07:20] <kristjan_> Dr_willis_: this won't work either, now I got no window decorations
[07:21] <Dr_willis_> I dont mess with compiz.  You have follwed the !compiz wiki page?
[07:21] <Dr_willis_> !compiz
[07:21] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[07:37] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone! Is there an easy way to get Amarok 1.4.8 on Feisty?
[07:37] <voidmage> use the kubuntu repos?
[07:38] <voidmage> MilhousePunkRock: actually, it's in backports
[07:38] <MilhousePunkRock> voidmage: Well, for Feisty there is only 1.4.7, the newest release is only in the Gutsy backports...
[07:38] <voidmage> oh, feisty.
[07:38] <voidmage> durr.
[07:38] <sigma_> what does "HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" mean for a dvd writer?
[07:39] <MilhousePunkRock> voidmage: Yes, my desktop, which is the music listening machine, is still on Feisty, because I am in the middle of my thesis and I can not risk anything going wrong with the update...
[07:39] <voidmage> anything change that much with 1.4.8?
[07:39] <voidmage> because i can't find any way to get it on feisty
[07:40] <MilhousePunkRock> voidmage: Well... No really drastic changes, I was suprised they released a new version before 2.0 anyway, but I still like to be bleeding edge in some respects...
[07:41] <voidmage> if you REALLY want to you could compile
[07:41] <voidmage> it
[07:42] <voidmage> but other than that i can't see any way to do it in feisty
[07:42] <MilhousePunkRock>  voidmage: Actually I am considering doing that... Because there is a patch that is probably not included which interests me a lot
[07:46] <MilhousePunkRock> voidmage: On the other hand, I could as well use the holidays to update to Gutsy... The newer kernel tempts me, I could finally use hibernate on my desktop...
[07:48] <jtmoney> strange problem: i created a simple script that contains lines such as this: mount -t smbfs //zeus/C$ /mnt/zeus/c -o username=James,password=somepassword ... whenever i run the script (with sudo), it gives me this error: 15835: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) ... but if run that command manually, from within a shell, it mounts the windows share without problem
[07:49] <OilR0ck> MilhousePunkRock: i might be missing something, but why use hibernate on a desktop?
[07:50] <MilhousePunkRock> OilR0ck: Resumes faster than a fresh boot. I love it so much on my laptop, that I can continue from where I left. And it saves energy to not have the pc running when I don't use it
[07:51] <MilhousePunkRock> OilR0ck: Suspend will also be nice, when I leave the computer for a short while.
[07:51] <OilR0ck> oh, i totally see it on a laptop. for a desktop, mine never turns off
[07:52] <snarkster> can anyone suggest a trancoder to change wmv to something more linux friendly.
[07:52] <snarkster> im trying to look at a Eve Online movie and I just get sound
[07:53] <flake> instead of using an audio switch or splitter between my windows and ubuntu pc, can i run ubuntu as an audio server to play any windows sounds through it, so it acts like a mixer?
[07:54] <MilhousePunkRock> OilR0ck: We only have a two room appartment, so the desktop is in the bedroom. As it's nowhere near being silent, it has to be turned off...
[07:55] <OilR0ck> snarkster: there is mencoder and ffmpeg, and a gui: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=567016&highlight=convertit
[07:55] <MilhousePunkRock> OilR0ck: Since you are northern american in the widest sense, I see you don't care about saving energy ;)
[07:55] <OilR0ck> lol
[07:56] <OilR0ck> :)
[07:56] <MilhousePunkRock> My point of view is, when the PC is idle, it does not have to be running. But I am too lazy to shut it down and boot it up again all the time, that's where suspend and hibernate come into play...
[07:58] <OilR0ck> yeah, thats cool, just never tried it myself...
[07:59] <MilhousePunkRock> it will only work properly with a kernel newer than feisty's... In fact I have another desktop which runs mythbuntu gutsy and it hibernates fine (after some tweaking)
[07:59] <MilhousePunkRock> feisty will come back up with dead usb, which is pretty bad if you have a usb mouse like I do...
[08:00] <OilR0ck> so just upgrade to gutsy
[08:00] <OilR0ck> it will be fine ;)
[08:00] <jtmoney> can someone explain uid/gid to me, or find me a web site that does? :)
[08:01] <OilR0ck> user id and group id
[08:01] <MilhousePunkRock> I am actually considering doing this now that hardy will not be LTS anyway
[08:01] <OilR0ck> oh, i thought the next release was LTS?
[08:03] <MilhousePunkRock> OilR0ck: Not for Kubuntu, since they will focus on KDE 4... According to a discussion on kubuntu-devel https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-December/002066.html
[08:03] <OilR0ck> jtmoney: what do you need to know?
[08:03] <jtmoney> i have no what idea what they mean, except that UID=0?
[08:03] <jtmoney> so, i'm not sure what UID=1000 means?
[08:04] <snarkster> that your users id number
[08:04] <jtmoney> all users can read/write to mounted shares if i specify that as part of the options for a mount command?
[08:04] <OilR0ck> uid=0 is root
[08:04] <OilR0ck> uid=1000, is a particular user id
[08:04] <jtmoney> ahh
[08:04] <stdin> each user has a user ID (a number) assigned to it
[08:04] <jtmoney> 1000 = my user id
[08:04] <jtmoney> according to /etc/passwd
[08:04] <OilR0ck> yes
[08:04] <OilR0ck> and you'll prob see 1000:1000
[08:04] <jtmoney> so, basically, only i have read/write permissions?
[08:04] <jtmoney> yes
[08:04] <OilR0ck> the second is your group it
[08:04] <OilR0ck> cat /etc/group
[08:05] <jtmoney> okay, thus the g in gid? :)
[08:05] <MilhousePunkRock> jtmoney: Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_identifier_(Unix)
[08:05] <jtmoney> beautiful
[08:05] <OilR0ck> yep
[08:05] <stdin> "id -u" shows your user id and "id -g" shows group id
[08:05] <jtmoney> thanks, guys
[08:05] <snarkster> it is a beautiful thing
[08:06] <jtmoney> out of curiosity, where is the unshadowed password file in ubuntu?
[08:06] <MilhousePunkRock> jtmoney: And, who would have guessed it, GUID is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_identifier_(Unix)
[08:07] <jtmoney> ahh, /etc/shadow
[08:08] <jtmoney> can i just say, i bought this toshiba on sale for $550
[08:08] <jtmoney> came with vista basic, and it ran like absolute crap
[08:08] <jtmoney> doubled the memory... still ran like absolute crap
[08:08] <jtmoney> threw kubuntu on here and i never looked back
[08:08] <jtmoney> it would have taken more time (if possible at all) to locate all the appropriate drivers for this lappy under xp
[08:08] <jtmoney> ubuntu is so solid
[08:09] <jtmoney> i think i'm going to move my mom over to it
[08:09] <MilhousePunkRock> jtmoney: I tried that too, her printer does not work in Linux... :/
[08:09] <jtmoney> "all i need is the web and email" and she already users firefox and thunderbird... i don't see why i shouldn't
[08:10] <jtmoney> ohh, hahahaha forgot about that
[08:10] <romunov> i managed to get compiz working on kubuntu 7.10
[08:10] <jtmoney> except the mfc she has is a brother which generally have good linux support from what i recal
[08:10] <romunov> the trick is to not use the glx version :)
[08:10] <jtmoney> romunov: what kind of video card do you have?
[08:10] <OilR0ck> yes, you don't want glx with nvidia
[08:10] <MilhousePunkRock> jtmoney: That's what she gets for not asking advice when shopping for a new printer... Now she'll get Windows 98 and I will get a T-Shirt saying "No, I will not fix your Windows"
[08:11] <jtmoney> MilhousePunkRock: hahahaha those shirts are money
[08:11] <jtmoney> actually, i bought it for her on a whim on black friday
[08:11] <jtmoney> i've been through epsons, hps, lexmarks, etc.
[08:11] <jtmoney> the only one i thought was truly solid was a brother
[08:11] <jtmoney> or, as i like to call them, "mah niggas" :-X
[08:11] <MilhousePunkRock> jtmoney: We'ce had a Lexmark before, that worked pretty well. Was on Gentoo though
[08:11] <OilR0ck> yeah my brother mfc works good
[08:12] <OilR0ck> now anyway
[08:12] <Daisuke_Ido> lexmark is possibly the worst printer manufacturer ever.  their printers are almost literally disposable, as it's almost cheaper to buy a new printer than ink for the old one.
[08:13] <jtmoney> okay, now i wish there was a way to congfigure knetworkmanager to launch the little script i wrote to mount windows shares when it connects to the wireless network in my house (and not, say, whenever i'm on campus... don't really feel secure sending out l/p requests in a classroom full of CS nerds)
[08:13] <jtmoney> Daisuke_Ido: yeah, if i had more room, i would just buy a laser printer and keep the brother for scanning/color printing
[08:14] <Daisuke_Ido> if i buy a laser, it'll be an HP
[08:14] <Daisuke_Ido> probably
[08:14] <Daisuke_Ido> not sure what brother's reliability is like for laser printers
[08:14] <OilR0ck> what i need is AVCHD support
[08:15] <jtmoney> Daisuke_Ido: at my old job, we had lots of HP lasers... they were absolute tanks
[08:15] <Daisuke_Ido> the old ones are, yeah, but the new ones...  not so much, from what i've heard
[08:16] <jtmoney> yeah, this was five years ago or so... and they had them when i started working there
[08:16] <jtmoney> i'll give brother a go
[08:17] <jtmoney> teh sexy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828113165
[08:19] <MilhousePunkRock> jtmoney: I have a Samsung ML-2010 now, it's been really  cheap and prints like it should. Hooked up to Debian NSLU2 even my girlfriend can print from her Windows laptop
[08:19] <Daisuke_Ido> that is pretty nice
[08:20] <OilR0ck> maybe check here before you buy: http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi
[08:21] <Daisuke_Ido> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828113212 <- i'd spring the extra for that one just for duplexing alone
[08:23] <jtmoney> yeah, i think having a network interface is where it's at
[08:25] <MilhousePunkRock> jtmoney: Mine is networked without a NIC
[08:26] <Daisuke_Ido> from the reviews i'm seeing the construction is lightweight and there's a lot of page curl...  maybe i'll go with an HP after all
[08:32] <jtmoney> blah, now i just have to get c&c generals working with wine or cedega
[08:36] <dsmith_> how about cnc 3
[08:54] <snarkster> need to make sure you have opengl to play cnc Gens
[08:55] <snarkster> I could really use mach64 DRI but kubuntu doesnt have it anymore
[08:55] <snarkster> when i run glxgears the gears hardly move.
[08:56] <snarkster> when i have mach64 DRI installed then move just fine
[09:01] <sorin> hi all
[09:02] <sonoftheclayr> What does everybody think about using envy to install the nvidia drivers?
[09:03] <stdin> !envy
[09:03] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[09:03] <stdin> that's what I think ^
[09:03] <sonoftheclayr> Oh yeah. What if the driver that the restriced manager installs won't load glx?
[09:05] <stdin> if the packaged version doesn't, then it's not likely the version envy pulls will
[09:05] <sonoftheclayr> Damn
[09:08] <snarkster> where would I find the kde restricted mangar gui
[09:08] <snarkster> i thought system but not there
[09:09] <snarkster> or what is the command to start it?
[09:11] <snarkster> oh another thing my control center is empty as well as my info center, how do i put things from lost and found in the right on the kmenu
[09:13] <berkes> is anyone else experiencing problems with nspluginviewer on konqueror qfter recent upgrades (last week)
[09:13] <berkes> ?
[09:13] <snarkster> yes
[09:13] <jussi01> !flashissues | berkes
[09:13] <ubotu> berkes: The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads.
[09:14] <jussi01> berkes: also see /topic -you should read it every time you come in here
[09:14] <berkes> jussi01: I ususally do. sorry
[09:14] <jussi01> :)
[09:15] <berkes> I have been looking for the launchpad entry on this today. Do you have an issue number or url?
[09:16] <poison--> mornin guys
[09:16] <snarkster> WB poison
[09:18] <poison--> :D
[09:20] <sigma_> guys i think something has attacked my pc, the name of the trash can in kontact has changed from "trash" to "Deleted Items" and when i click on the trash can in the taskbar it says "Empty Deleted Items folder" instead of "Empty Trash Bin" - any idea how i can change it back?
[09:21] <snarkster> attacked?? come on man your in a tank..
[09:21] <snarkster> the penguin tank
[09:21] <snarkster> did you install a theme?
[09:22] <poison--> pretty sure he did
[09:22] <snarkster> oh bit of news.. if you install rc2 live cd and decide to go back to 3.5.8 dont forget to install kubuntu-desktop or some things wont work right
[09:22] <sigma_> lol ok thats a bit of a over reaction, nope didnt change the theme, i did change the locale from USA to south africa
[09:22] <stdin> sigma_: that's why then
[09:23] <snarkster> hmm could that have changed the name of trach can
[09:23] <stdin> different locals have different names for ir
[09:23] <stdin> *it
[09:23] <snarkster> i dont even have a trashcan on my desktop
[09:23] <snarkster> how do you make one?
[09:23] <stdin> make a link to url, and have the url as "trash:/"
[09:24] <snarkster> thank you very much
[09:24] <sigma_> ah that solved it, was a bit worried there for a moment!
[09:25] <sigma_> you can install kde 4 rc2 from the live cd as a seperate installation?
[09:25] <snarkster> anyone know anything about superkaramba
[09:25] <snarkster> nah I dumped the whole computer
[09:25] <sigma_> kind of, what do u wanna know?
[09:25] <snarkster> Im trying to use the Yahoo Avatar theme for superkaramba but it does nothing
[09:26] <snarkster> very little documentation about that theme
[09:26] <sigma_> ok wouldn't know about that but alot of the themes don't work for some reason
[09:27] <snarkster> would you mind giving it a try?
[09:27] <snarkster> if you have a yahoo account i mean
[09:27] <snarkster> nah nv.. to invasive..
[09:27] <snarkster> sorry
[09:27] <sigma_> nope dont have one, im a google supporter:)
[09:28] <romunov_> has anyone got a good tutorial on how to install a nice docker?
[09:28] <max__> does anyone know how to use gtalk on kubuntu KDE 7.0
[09:28] <jtmoney> romunov_: like awn?
[09:28] <sigma_> kde7.0?
[09:29] <jussi01> ???
[09:29] <romunov_> jtmoney: anything will do
[09:29] <max__> thats d desktop i am using
[09:29] <berkes> timewarped from the future?
[09:30] <jussi01> romunov_: go google avant window navigator - there is a good tutorial on their site
[09:30] <stdin> max__: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support
[09:30] <max__> avant k................thnx dude
[09:30] <berkes> oh, max_ prolly means he's running kubuntu 7.0 (and not KDE 7.0).
[09:30] <jussi01> berkes: there is no 7.0
[09:30] <Pants> um ... I need help setting up my screen.  before, I'd had no problem getting a good resolution with a generic "Plug and Play" monitor driver, but then I installed a whole bunch of updates and now my only choices are 800 by 600 and 640 by 480
[09:31] <sigma_> will kubuntu hardy work properly with 5.1 creative sound cards? i found a script to make it work but it only works sometimes and jams alsa completely other times
[09:31] <jussi01> berkes: 7.04 and 7.10
[09:31] <romunov_> jussi01: thanks, i'll do that
[09:31] <jussi01> romunov_: :)
[09:31] <berkes> jussi01: sorry, type, I wanted to type 7.10 =)
[09:31] <jussi01> berkes: ;)
[09:31] <max__> its working with my philips 5.1
[09:31] <jussi01> Pants: nvidia pr ati graphics?
[09:31] <jussi01> or*
[09:32] <sigma_> stdin: is there any way to move my screen slightly to the left? when i output to the tv its a bit too much to the right (gets cut off)
[09:32] <Pants> jussi01, nvidia
[09:32] <stdin> sigma_: I wouldn't know, I never use TV output
[09:32] <sigma_> max__: which version of kubuntu does it work on?
[09:32] <jussi01> Pants: just go and reinstall the nvidia driver
[09:32] <jussi01> !nvidia | Pants
[09:32] <ubotu> Pants: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:33] <max__> i am using 7
[09:33] <sigma_> stdin: well do you know of any command for a monitor in general, windows has that gui where you click the arrows but theres nothing like that in linux
[09:33] <Pants> thank you, jussi01!
[09:34] <Bicubic> uh.. I'm installing right now and the process seems to have hung at configuring apt "scanning the mirror". What the shi?
[09:34] <jtmoney> Pants: i would recommend using envy
[09:34] <jtmoney> lest headache that way
[09:34] <stdin> sigma_: not really, no
[09:34] <Pants> what's envy?
[09:34] <Pants> !envy
[09:34] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[09:35] <Pants> ...
[09:35] <jussi01> jtmoney: no need for ewnvy
[09:36] <sigma_> which version of kde is on the hardy alpha2 cd?
[09:36] <stdin> same as in gutsy
[09:37] <jussi01> sigma_: #ubuntu+1 for hardy q's
[09:37] <romunov> hum, do i really need glx to run awn?
[09:37] <romunov> i've had really bad experience with it
[09:38] <jussi01> romunov: to run awn you need compiz
[09:38] <sigma_> is that kde 4 rc2 cd on the kubuntu site just a live cd or also a installer cd?
[09:39] <snarkster> both
[09:39] <snarkster> smoke break
[09:39] <romunov> jussi01: check!
[09:39] <jussi01> romunov: ??
[09:39] <jtmoney> romunov: which video card do you have?
[09:39] <sigma_> its rather small though, are alot of the apps missing?
[09:41] <romunov> i use radeon 9600SE
[09:42] <romunov> i have compiz running (with emerald)
[09:42] <jtmoney> romunov: i installed the latest ati binary and it allows for compiz to run without xgl
[09:43] <jtmoney> well, i updated to 8.4.3 and now it doens't work, heh
[09:43] <jtmoney> but it worked for 8.4.2
[09:44] <romunov> i have compiz running on "defaults"
[09:44] <romunov> i did a fresh install yesterday (i somehow managed to wreck the system) and installed compiz+emerald over that
[09:45] <jtmoney> romunov: i usually don't install emerald... i just use kde-window-decorator
[09:45] <jtmoney> brb, gotta reboot
[09:46] <jtmoney> fux0ring with envy as we speak
[09:46] <snarkster> where do I send request for xorg-driver-mach to?
[09:47] <romunov> well, i gotta run to the store and hit the showers before a friend arrives
[09:48] <snarkster> enjoy
[09:48] <Pants> I'm reconfiguring the xserver-xorg package ... do I need the framebuffer device interface enabled?
[09:48] <Pants> !framebuffer
[09:48] <ubotu> Information about changing your framebuffer modes in GRUB can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer#grub
[09:48] <snarkster> !xorg-driver-mach
[09:49] <vzduch> Pants: framebuffer is for mostly mobile devices that don't run on a regular X server
[09:50] <romunov> snarkster: you don't have to be so snarkastric :)
[09:50] <snarkster> LOL
[09:50] <Pants> okay, thanks, vzduch
[09:50] <snarkster> well its almost 3am here..
[09:50] <vzduch> well, it's almost 11 a.m. here
[09:51] <romunov> is there a way to "save" my current settings and everything - so i can revert to this at a latter time?
[09:51] <vzduch> the nicest sunshine, but shivery cold
[09:51] <sivaji> is there any tool to check my speaker and mic status ?
[09:51] <vzduch> romunov: what settings?
[09:51] <romunov> my kubuntu *.*
[09:51] <romunov> everything... if you know what i mean
[09:52] <vzduch> !backup
[09:52] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[09:52] <sivaji> !recorder
[09:52] <romunov> if i mess anything up, i can revert to this setting...
[09:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about recorder - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <romunov> thanks
[09:52] <sivaji> !sound
[09:52] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[09:53] <sivaji> is there any tool to check my speaker and mic working condition ?
[09:55] <snarkster> !driver requests
[09:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about driver requests - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:56] <stdin> snarkster: file a bug report for it
[09:56] <snarkster> bug report for what a new driver?
[09:57] <snarkster> ive never ever done a bug report. Have no clue as to what to put or where to go
[09:57] <stdin> if it exists, then request it to be packaged
[09:57] <stdin> !bug
[09:57] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:57] <snarkster> it does exist and where do i go to post such a request.
[09:57] <stdin> snarkster: the 1st link ubotu posted
[09:57] <snarkster> thank you
[09:58] <stdin> then click the big red "Report a bug" button
[09:58] <sivaji> stdin is there any tool to check my speaker and mic working condition ?
[09:59] <stdin> speakers: system settings -> sound system -> test sound
[09:59] <stdin> for mic I guess you can try plugging it in and turning up the volume in kmix
[10:15] <desti> http://www.garagegames.com/products/29/
[10:16] <jpatrick> !ot > desti
[10:18] <desti> k
[10:40]  * membrive saluda
[10:41] <jpatrick> membrive: wrong channel / canal incorrecto ;)
[10:41] <romunov> is anyone experiencing compiz/openoffice-presentation conflicts?
[10:42] <romunov> make that openoffice-*.*
[10:43] <membrive> jpatrick, was just an /ame ;)
[10:44] <phenix> hello all
[10:44] <pag> hey phenix :)
[10:45] <phenix> mmm how many nixoidow
[10:49] <risto> is there any vim like in mac ?
[10:51] <blackflag> I want to use ntpdate in  a script
[10:51] <blackflag> but ntpdate is executable by root
[10:52] <blackflag> how can I execute ntpdate in a script?
[10:52] <blackflag> can someone help?
[10:52] <kingoftheroots> sudo the script
[10:53] <blackflag> yes okay, but I want to execute it via cron
[10:53] <sigma_> How do i reset my firewall to the default settings?
[10:53] <kingoftheroots> so put it in roots cron tab
[10:53] <kingoftheroots> kcron
[10:53] <blackflag> ahh,okay :)
[10:56] <dhude> can I install mce on ubuntu?
[10:59] <romunov> dhude: have you tried a package manager?
[10:59] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:00] <sigma_> Riddell: right now?
[11:00] <dhude> romunov: I tried synaptic
[11:00] <Riddell> sigma_: yes
[11:00] <romunov> still having trouble with compiz and title bars...
[11:00] <romunov> Riddell: what's the meeting about? can anyone participate?
[11:00] <snarkster> wow getting a different drm to work is hard.
[11:02] <girolamo> !italiano
[11:02] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:03] <Riddell> romunov: about kubuntu, all welcome
[11:04] <snarkster> ood night
[11:12] <davf> Anyone here?
[11:14] <bjwebb> hi
[11:16] <bjwebb> anyone konw if its possible to get a keyboard volume control working with linux
[11:16] <bjwebb> and how?
[11:16] <risto> any quanta pros here ?
[11:17] <risto> how i get my main toolbar back if i lost it ???
[11:23] <se7en_> sombody use kmobiletool and know what kmobile (returning error) >>>AT+CPMS=MT means
[11:27] <Hamra> a week ago, i did a clean install of gutsy, but i had problems on startup with fsck, iyt kept hanging on "checking filesystems", so i booted the liveCD and opened fstab, and put zeroes in the last column of my drives, does that remove them from the bad shutdown check as well ?
[11:27] <olivier> Bonjour à tous
[11:27] <Hamra> !fr | olivier
[11:27] <ubotu> olivier: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:33] <eshat> hey,.. flashplayer on x64 does not work anymore ,...
[11:36] <JohnFlux> mark shuttleworth is on bbc news now!
[11:36] <bjwebb> o rly?
[11:36] <bjwebb> which channel
[11:37] <eshat> BBC
[11:37] <JohnFlux> dunno, i'm watching it online :-D
[11:37] <JohnFlux> he's gone now heh
[11:37] <JohnFlux> they are talking about connecting villages that are around 2KM apart
[11:38] <bjwebb> yeah, click
[11:38] <bjwebb> its bestof
[11:38] <bjwebb> so i think i saw that interview
[11:42] <eshat> WHY doesn't my FlashPlayer work anymore,... i am on x64
[11:43] <Dekans> how did you manager it to work ?
[11:43] <Dekans> managed*
[11:44] <eshat> when i try to reinstall i get a "
[11:44] <eshat> md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[11:44] <eshat> The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
[11:45] <eshat> retrying doesn't solve this
[11:45] <Dekans> flashfplugin is a "é bits binary
[11:46] <eshat> i found the soloution in ubuntu forums
[11:46] <vzduch> !flashissues
[11:46] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads.
[11:46] <eshat> reason is that adobe updated there flash player but the md5 mismatches with ubuntu reps
[11:47] <bjwebb> hi
[11:48] <jussi01> !broadcom
[11:48] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[11:54] <andy_123> hi all
[11:54] <lufthanza> how do I get the rss feed applet in kubuntu?
[11:54] <crazy_bus> something strange has happened.  Everything seems to be working except for 2 things.  One nothing appears in my dvd drives folder.  And two kaffeine doesn't open and leaves no error message.  Any ideas why?
[11:54] <lufthanza> andy_123: hi
[11:54] <andy_123> can anyone tell me where to download kernel packages? in need to downgrade, last update killed some drivers :-(
[11:55] <lufthanza> crazy_bus: have you tried opening kaffeine through the command line?
[11:55] <crazy_bus> lufthanza: yes.  It outputs nothing.  It just goes back to the commandline without doing anything
[11:55] <lufthanza> andy_123: what drivers?
[11:55] <lufthanza> crazy_bus: that's very strane
[11:56] <crazy_bus> I also reinstalled while keeping my home directory and it didn't fix the problem
[11:57] <eshat> what are good programs to pimp my kde desktop
[11:57] <lufthanza> crazy_bus: I dunno if this will help, but have you tried "sudo apt-get remove kaffeine --purge"
[11:58] <lufthanza> eshat: yakuake
[12:01] <lufthanza> eshat: also, knewsticker
[12:09] <eshat> yakuake looks great
[12:10] <eshat> are there any other programs ,... for example to show sysinfos on kde desktop ?
[12:13] <eshat> everybody idle here ???
[12:13] <eshat> must be because of christmas time
[12:22] <andy_123> hi, i had to downgrade kernel and now my sound is gone, can anyone tellme which package needs to be reinstalled?
[12:22] <sourcemaker> I have a kernel panic with my WLAN card (Realtek) after I have upgraded my system to gusty. I have found some posts... that there is a kernel problem... this problem should be fixed in kernel 2.6.23.5... how can I update? This kernel is not in apt?
[12:24] <ScottG> doesn't appear to be people here right now who's know the answers.. I'm relatively new to Kubuntu..
[12:24] <ScottG> I meant people who know the answer
[12:26] <sourcemaker> andy_123: there is no need to reinstall packages after downgrade your kernel... there are only some problems with graphics card like nvidia...
[12:26] <sourcemaker> andy_123: but then your X-Server will crashed... when the version is not compatible
[13:04] <_cj> hi anyone running kde4?
[13:05] <messiah> hola qué hay
[13:06] <messiah> alguien me podría echar una pequeña mano? ayer me instalé el Kubuntu, y tenía acceso a las particiones NTFS y ahora no
[13:06] <messiah> no he tocado nada, que yo sepa, qué puedo hacer? alguien me podría ayduar?
[13:06] <angasule> !es | messiah
[13:06] <ubotu> messiah: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[13:06] <messiah> ah, gracias
[13:07] <messiah> !es
[13:07] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[13:07] <messiah> oh...
[13:07] <messiah> this channel is for english speakers?
[13:07] <angasule> yes
[13:07] <messiah> ah...
[13:08] <messiah> mmm...
[13:08] <messiah> well, i will try to explain myself
[13:08] <messiah> yesterday i installed kubuntu and i could access to my HD "ntfs" or the windows files system
[13:08] <messiah> and i turn-ed on today and i couldn't access to them, i think i didn't change anything
[13:09] <messiah> can anyone help me please?
[13:12] <bazhang> !ntfs | messiah
[13:12] <ubotu> messiah: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[13:14] <redlex> hi people
[13:14] <bazhang> hi redlex
[13:17] <sigma_kubuntu> im so thankful they finally sorted out the system tray problem in kde4
[13:18] <_cj> what problem?
[13:18] <redlex> im have some problems with kb layouts in kde
[13:18] <sigma_kubuntu> now it actually goes in2 the taskbar! and i see most of the icon issues have been sorted out
[13:19] <_cj> redlex: setxkbmap
[13:19] <_cj> sigma_kubuntu: you running PPA packages?
[13:19] <sigma_kubuntu> _cj: it was floating around 4a while now u can put it in the taskbar
[13:20] <nosrednaekim> sigma_kubuntu: nice eh ? :D
[13:21] <sigma_kubuntu> _cj: na i tested the first kde4 live cd. and saw screenshots of rc2. some major improvements indeed
[13:21] <redlex> no no, i can set russian layout but can't set english back
[13:22] <Xeross> hey
[13:22] <sigma_kubuntu> nosrednaekim: yes indeed! can you right click the taskbar to modify it like kde 3?
[13:22] <nosrednaekim> sigma_kubuntu: unfortunately not...but I'll bet it'll get there soon..
[13:23] <Xeross> with the live cd my wireless network usb stick works but then i install kubuntu and boot from my computer and then it sais
[13:23] <Xeross> wlan0
[13:23] <Xeross> is disabled and when i enable it disables again in 1 second
[13:25] <redlex> i want to set layouts by pressing alt_shift
[13:25] <sigma_kubuntu> nosrednaekim: in that rc2 screenshot theres a battery monitor in the taskbar. i remember from earlier that you cud only have that monitor on the desktop. has it now been permanentely added there?
[13:25] <nosrednaekim> sigma_kubuntu: nope, you can drag from the widgets box to the panel
[13:25] <nosrednaekim> though not from the desktop to the panel (yet)
[13:26] <hungrymouse> why does kopete crash whenever it tries to display LaTeX?
[13:26] <jpatrick> LaTeX is too good for it
[13:26] <hungrymouse> (well, it doesnt crash. it hangs indefinitely and stops responding)
[13:28] <sigma_kubuntu> nosrednaekim: ah i see what you are saying. so its kinda like those applets in kde 3 where you could drag and drop them on the taskbar. another thing i noticed- whats the reason for the taskbar not being the full length of the desktop?
[13:28] <redlex> как сделать чтобы переключать раскладки нажатием фде-ыршае
[13:28] <redlex> alt_shift*
[13:29] <nosrednaekim> sigma_kubuntu: what do you mean? it is for me.... though it can do funky things when you add and remove applets(until a re-login)
[13:29] <jpatrick> !ru | redlex
[13:29] <ubotu> redlex: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[13:31] <sigma_kubuntu> nosrednaekim: if u look at the screenshots at kde.org you will see it. looks rather nice if u ask me
[13:31] <nosrednaekim> sigma_kubuntu: well, with some config file hacking, you can make it do that ;)
[13:33] <sigma_kubuntu> nosrednaekim: lol. hopefully it will be a feature soon! how buggy is it to you?
[13:33] <sigma_kubuntu> the desktop on the whole
[13:33] <nosrednaekim> sigma_kubuntu: *no* crashes for 2 weeks.
[13:34] <nosrednaekim> of course, some apps crash, but the main desktop is rock solid
[13:34] <nosrednaekim> even Kwin-compositing
[13:37] <sigma_kubuntu> well thats comforting to hear. i only use standard apps. nothing too fancy. but my pc is a webserver so perhaps i should test the final one on my laptop. hope it comes with a live installer cd
[13:40] <nosrednaekim> sigma_kubuntu: yup... it will.
[13:43] <kubuntu> heiss :>
[13:43] <jpatrick> !de | kubuntu
[13:43] <ubotu> kubuntu: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[13:43] <nosrednaekim> hi kubuntu
[13:43] <kubuntu> hi :D
[13:43] <kubuntu> what's up?
[13:44] <jpatrick> !ot > kubuntu
[13:46] <kubuntu> gues whos birthday is today? :>
[13:48] <kubuntu> argh, you people are booring
[13:48] <etfb> kubuntu: Martin Opitz von Boberfeld?
[13:48] <bazhang> kubuntu: this is a support channel
[13:48] <etfb> kubuntu: Joseph Smith Jr?
[13:48] <jpatrick> kubuntu: this is a support channell
[13:49] <Downix> etfb: isn't he dead?
[13:49] <etfb> Maybe he needed help finding the Wikipedia article on today's date...
[13:49] <kubuntu> i can't understand anything. what is going on?
[13:49] <etfb> Downix: Given that they were born in 1597 and 1805 respectively, I'd say so.
[13:49] <Downix> heh
[13:49] <etfb> kubuntu: What do you mean?
[13:49] <Downix> *sighs at OpenBSD*
[13:50] <kubuntu> does anybody speak finnish?
[13:50] <jpatrick> !fi | kubuntu
[13:50] <ubotu> kubuntu: Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[13:50] <kubuntu> äää. mä en tajuu mitään.
[13:51] <kubuntu> byebye. i'm leaving.
[13:51] <bazhang> bye
[13:52] <sigma_123> nosraenadkim: sorry about that. what did you say about how performance on kde4 compares to kde3 on your pc?
[13:53] <rinaldi_> anyone running linux mce on kubunu 7.04? its just im having installation issues and noone is answering in #linuxmce
[13:53] <nosrednaekim> sigma_123: didn't say aything about it.... but both feel fairly quick and snappy, its a fairly modern computer, so everything runs pretty snappy(even vista without aero)
[13:55] <sigma_123> ah ok. well i did manage running vista with aero. just worried if it will cope on my dell d600. im only geting 1000 fps in glx gears
[13:56] <sigma_123> is that a bad thing?
[13:59] <rinaldi_> anyone running linux mce on kubunu 7.04? its just im having installation issues and noone is answering in #linuxmce
[14:00] <sigma_123> isnt that software a bit buggy?
[14:02] <rinaldi_> sigma_123: whats this regarding?, my problem?
[14:03] <nosrednaekim> sigma_123: kde4 will do fine w/ that.... my computer only gets 120 in glxgears(fullscreen)
[14:03] <sigma_123> yes
[14:03] <rinaldi_> sigma_123: well are there other recomendations for similar software?
[14:03] <sigma_123> i didnt know u can run glx gears in full screen!
[14:04] <nosrednaekim> sigma_123: well.. I just resized the window
[14:04] <sigma_123> mythtv perhaps or mythbuntu?
[14:04] <nosrednaekim> rinaldi_: does it use the standard kubuntu installer?
[14:05] <rinaldi_> i installed a fresh ubuntu 7.04 and then followed the wiki on the site, all went well until i restarted
[14:05] <sigma_123> i thought it was designed for kubuntu
[14:05] <rinaldi_> nosrednaekim: there are two ways of installing, that way and the quick dvd which installs kubuntu and linux mce all in one, i might have to try that one
[14:06] <nosrednaekim> rinaldi_: thats defunately reccomended... I've never heard of this other method
[14:07] <rinaldi_> nosrednaekim: well apparently the quick install is even more buggy than the original way, but il try anyway
[14:07] <jussi01> !variant | rinaldi_
[14:07] <ubotu> rinaldi_: The following are some examples of Ubuntu derived distributions that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes, please consult their websites for more information: Linux Mint, LinuxMCE, Ubuntu Ultimate.
[14:07] <sigma_123> nosrednaekim: ok this is just depressing. lol. i only get 83fps in fullscreen glx. is that capable of kde 4?
[14:08] <sigma_123> glx gears i mean
[14:08] <nosrednaekim> sigma_123: maybe some minimal effects.
[14:09] <nosrednaekim> sigma_123: like transparency.
[14:09] <nosrednaekim> and expose
[14:10] <mith__> hi all!
[14:10] <sigma_123> well i dont plan to actually use any effects on the laptop. wil it run ok with all effects turned off?
[14:10] <mith__> Are there anybody who tried HommV with Cedega?
[14:10] <bazhang> hi mith__
[14:11] <nosrednaekim> sigma_123: it'll run fine, what processor is that?a  low 1.xghz celeron?
[14:11] <tycale> Compiz est pas inclu de base dans kubuntu ?
[14:11] <nosrednaekim> !fr
[14:11] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[14:11] <tycale> Ou plutôt, il faut allé où pour l'activer ?
[14:11] <mith__> hi bazhang
[14:11] <tycale> sorry
[14:12] <tycale> Where can I activer Compiz in Kubuntu ?
[14:12] <nosrednaekim> !compiz
[14:12] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[14:12] <tycale> ho, ok
[14:12] <tycale> thanks you
[14:13] <mith__> bazhang: what is the first 3 letters mean in your name?
[14:13] <sigma_123> nosrednaekim: its a intel centrino 1.6ghz
[14:13] <bazhang> mith__: this is a support channel
[14:13] <nosrednaekim> sigma_123: that'l be PLENTY
[14:14] <mith__> oaky i know
[14:14] <mith__> Are there anybody who tried HommV with Cedega?
[14:14] <sigma_123> il be back
[14:16] <tycale> I've got a problem. Look my sysinfo
[14:16] <tycale> Sysinfo for 'tycale-desktop': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: AMDAthlon64X2DualCore4200+ at 1000 MHz (2010 bogomips), , RAM: 1841/2026MB, 138 proc's, 1.44h up
[14:16] <tycale> 1000MHz ?? Oo
[14:16] <nosrednaekim> tycale: frequency scaling.
[14:16] <tycale> Yes, but i'm not at 1000 MHz
[14:16] <tycale> :-'
[14:16] <johey> How can I see the user configured avatars in KDM? I've tried K->System Settings->Advanced->Login Manager->User Image Source->User, but that does not help. I only see the default avatar for all users.
[14:17] <mith__> where are the wine's log files?
[14:17] <nosrednaekim> tycale: Linux scales your processor down when you aren't using it.
[14:19] <nosrednaekim> tycale: start up a game or movie though, and that number will go way up
[14:19] <tycale> ok
[14:19] <Strahlung-Alpha> hi there, i got a problem with amarok. i adde my mp3s to the collection and now i got every mp3 twice. once in the orignial folder and once in a folder created by amarok
[14:19] <sigma_> nosrednaekim: im back, yeah it may be centrino but the graphics are still hopeless! i get some jerking when navigating around, however movies and dvds play fine
[14:20] <nosrednaekim> sigma_: anything that runs kde3 will run kde4... thats pretty much the line.
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> Strahlung-Alpha: thats weird,might want to talk to #amarok about that
[14:21] <Strahlung-Alpha> ok, thanks.
[14:21] <Hamra> how much approximatly do i need to download to get KDE4?
[14:21] <sigma_> nosrednaekim: fair enough. do you know a website where i can get updates on status of development of the opensource ati driver?
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> Hamra: probably about 200-300MB
[14:22] <mith__> Are there anybody who tried Heroes of might and magic V with Cedega?
[14:22] <nosrednaekim> sigma_: phoronix.org
[14:22] <jussi01> mith__: there is a native linux version of 3 - possibly of 5?
[14:23] <sigma_> thanks
[14:23] <mith__> I have tried with 6.0.3 and 5.2.9
[14:24] <Dr_willis> mith__,  with a lot of games - i find i need a 'nocd' crack for them to work right with wine.
[14:24] <mith__> the menu starts everything looks like ok...but when i start a reaal game it exits
[14:25] <Hamra> thnx
[14:25] <mith__> Dr_willis: it's starts so i don't know what's the problem, when i tried to run it from terminal...It says:
[14:25] <mith__> No arguments found, but required
[14:25] <mith__> wine: Unhandled exception, starting debugger..
[14:25] <Dr_willis> sounds like wine just 'crashed' :)
[14:26] <Dr_willis> May want to check the wine app database.
[14:26] <Dr_willis> !appdb
[14:26] <ubotu> The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org
[14:26] <Hamra> i guess i'll have to wait till it comes by default with kubuntu, taht would be in automn right? i heard Hardy won't be using kde 4?
[14:27] <jussi01> Hamra: hardy will include the choice for kde4
[14:27] <giuseppe> HI,  how can I set my konqueror to surf on internet?
[14:27] <mith__> im searching now :D
[14:28] <sigma_> jussi01: will that choice be on the live cd that canonical sends via shipit?
[14:29] <nosrednaekim> jussi01: do to recent developments, kde4 is going to be the focus of Hardy..
[14:29] <nosrednaekim> sorry, that was for Hamra
[14:30] <sigma_> nosrednaekim: recent developments?
[14:30] <nosrednaekim> sigma_: mmhm
[14:31] <jussi01> nosrednaekim: yes, I know - however kde3 will sttill be on the disk also
[14:31] <bazhang> sooper sekrit
[14:31] <nosrednaekim> jussi01: separate disk
[14:32] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: state sekrit
[14:32] <jpatrick> sigma_: shipit will have kde4
[14:32] <Hamra> :D
[14:32] <jussi01> sigma_: go read nixternals blog
[14:32] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: haha
[14:32] <jpatrick> sigma_: iirc
[14:32] <bazhang> !nixternal | sigma_
[14:32] <ubotu> sigma_: Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[14:33] <giuseppe> is there anyone can help me? :)
[14:33] <nosrednaekim> haha
[14:33] <sigma_> lol
[14:33] <jussi01> !ask | giuseppe
[14:33] <ubotu> giuseppe: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[14:33] <bazhang> ask away giuseppe
[14:33] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: and the problem is...
[14:33] <giuseppe> jussi: I have problem on surfing on internet
[14:34] <giuseppe> well, I'm not able to see any web page
[14:34] <giuseppe> I'm only able to use this IRC service
[14:34] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: can you ping google? "ping www.google.com"
[14:34] <jussi01> !tab | giuseppe
[14:34] <giuseppe> If I run ping www.google.com
[14:34] <ubotu> giuseppe: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[14:35] <giuseppe> i have trasmitted bytes
[14:35] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: ok... do you use wireless?
[14:35] <giuseppe> jussi01: but for other web pages, all data are lost
[14:35] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: I use my mobile phone
[14:36] <giuseppe> ubotu: thank a lot for tab key :)
[14:37] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: I see, kill knetworkmanager.
[14:37] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: how can I do it?
[14:37] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: on the taskbar, there is a little icon for it... find it, right click on it, and click close
[14:39] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: done... and now
[14:40] <nosrednaekim> and now...
[14:40] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: grande!!!! you were right!!!!!
[14:40] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: :D
[14:40] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: GREAT GREAT!!!! but what does it mean?
[14:41] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: it means stupid knetworkmanager thought it was too smart and told all other kde apps that it wasn't connected to the internet, and couldn't detect that you simply by-passed it.
[14:41] <Dr_willis> The Joys of 'user friendly' apps :)
[14:41] <nosrednaekim> ya... that has got to be mymomst hated "feature"
[14:41] <nosrednaekim> *my most
[14:41]  * Dr_willis is reminded of IE saying its 'off line' all the time.
[14:42]  * Dr_willis is reminded of Firefox not wanting to run more then 1 instance...
[14:42]  * Dr_willis shuts up now.
[14:42] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: ok, I see... thanks thanks a lot, really! It was long time I tried to solve it! THANKS!!!!
[14:43] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: no problem...
[14:43] <bazhang> yay!
[14:43] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: well, now I wanna solve another little problem about mp3 files
[14:43] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: I'm using Kubuntu 7.10
[14:43] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: mmhm, and it is..
[14:44] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: hope thats not the problem ;)
[14:44] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: and I know that for licence problems, it's not able to reproduce them
[14:45] <Dr_willis> !skype
[14:45] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[14:45] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: you can if you want..
[14:46] <jussi01> !mp3 | giuseppe
[14:46] <ubotu> giuseppe: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[14:47] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: when I run amarok it says: install mp3
[14:47] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: I say yes
[14:47] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: but nothing
[14:47] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: you need to install the package "kubuntu-restricted-extras"
[14:47] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: and possibly enable the restricted repository
[14:47] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: correct, but how can I do it?
[14:48] <giuseppe> jussi01: what is "!mp3 giuseppe"???
[14:48] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: on the command line, run "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras"
[14:48] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: thats a bot command, to give the tip that ubotu gave just following that
[14:49] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: done, but I read: impossible to find kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:49] <MaximLevitsky> Hi
[14:50] <MaximLevitsky> I updated now to hardy helon
[14:50] <MaximLevitsky> The system
[14:50] <MaximLevitsky> And I have small, but unpleasent problem
[14:50] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: what does it means???
[14:50] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: ah ok... go into adept, go tot he "adept"menu, click "manage repositories" and enable all of them. then click the "reload" button on the main window
[14:50] <MaximLevitsky> Actually this problem was partially present in gutsy too
[14:51] <jussi01> MaximLevitsky: #ubuntu+1 for hardy issues :)
[14:51] <MaximLevitsky> All gtk programs show up some default, and qute unpleasent widget style
[14:51] <nosrednaekim> MaximLevitsky: install the qt-gtk themeing....
[14:51] <MaximLevitsky> I use kubuntu, but still has to use few gtk programs
[14:51] <sourcemaker> can I install the googleearth package or is this a spyware software?
[14:52] <jussi01> !medibuntu | sourcemaker
[14:52] <ubotu> sourcemaker: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[14:52] <MaximLevitsky> This problem was present in gutsy too :-)
[14:52] <MaximLevitsky> And I did install gtk-qt theme
[14:52] <nosrednaekim> MaximLevitsky: or you can go into kcontrol (just run that) and find the gtk theme configuration
[14:53] <MaximLevitsky> Some programs were ok there, and some weren't
[14:53] <MaximLevitsky> I did that
[14:54] <MaximLevitsky> Nothing helps
[14:54] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: it's downloading many packages... I'm waiting for
[14:54] <MaximLevitsky> I even installed gnome-control-center
[14:54] <MaximLevitsky> And set gtk theme there
[14:54] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: do you have slow internet?
[14:54] <giuseppe> like first generation ADSL
[14:54] <nosrednaekim> MaximLevitsky: are these apps that look bad run with "kdesudo" do ALL gtk apps look bad? and in addition, are you using kde4?
[14:55] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: like first generation ADSL, why?
[14:55] <MaximLevitsky> And I got funny results: the program itself that change the theme got new widget style, but others don't
[14:55] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: oh.,. ok
[14:55] <MaximLevitsky> KDE, and promlem exists on both nrma and root apps
[14:55] <MaximLevitsky> s/promlem/problem
[14:56] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: just wondering. if you were on dial-up it could take a while
[14:57] <Dr_willis> Hmm... ok.. which of the 4 conectors on the back is my mic.. heh.. anyone else ever have that problem reaching around trying to find the right port
[14:57] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis: pink I think
[14:57] <Dr_willis> I think all of mine are 'gold' :)  lets see....
[14:58] <nosrednaekim> oh.... thats helpful
[14:59] <Dr_willis> aha.. once i got a light back there.. they had color stripes  around the ports.
[15:00] <Dr_willis> Trying to get Skype Going.
[15:00] <Dr_willis> it aint recording. :(
[15:00] <nosrednaekim> MaximLevitsky: yeah, I have no clue,
[15:01] <rothchild> Dr_willis: is the input enabled in kmix
[15:01] <Dr_willis> Thats what im chcking now. :)
[15:02] <Dr_willis> Got an audigy 2zs i got so many sliders and switches it spans both monitors
[15:02] <andreas_> hello i have a quuestion
[15:02] <Dr_willis> aha.. Input. Mic. Slider was all the way down
[15:02] <andreas_> i have installed an application
[15:02] <andreas_> but i don't know how to uninstall  it
[15:03] <andreas_> so how do i go about it?
[15:03] <Dr_willis> then on output - i need to slide the mic all the way down.. so i dont hear myself.
[15:03]  * nosrednaekim goes to test koffice4 if its going into Hardy
[15:03] <Dr_willis> sudoapt-get remove whateverthethingis
[15:03] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get remove whateverthethingis
[15:03] <Dr_willis> :)
[15:03] <rothchild> Dr_willis: turn off 'what you hear' if you have that option
[15:03] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis: it says "package not found???? how to fix???"
[15:03] <andreas_> ok i will try it
[15:04] <Dr_willis> nosrednaekim,  whats saying that? check your spelling?
[15:04] <Minnozz> !fonts
[15:04] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[15:04] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis: never mind... it was a joke ;)
[15:04] <Dr_willis> :)
[15:05] <Dr_willis> apt-get install coffe_its_early
[15:05] <MaximLevitsky> Problem solved :-) :
[15:05] <MaximLevitsky> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  gconf: Depends: libgconf11 (>= 1.0.7) but it is not going to be installed         Depends: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) but it is not going to be installedE: Broken packages
[15:05] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: done, and now what I have to do?
[15:06] <MaximLevitsky> Anyway, will wait for upload on new packages
[15:06] <andreas_> Dr_willis: thanks it worked :)
[15:06] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: now install "kubuntu-restricted-extras"
[15:06] <andreas_> but is there a more graphical way of doing so, because sometimes you won't know what the name of the package is exctly
[15:07] <andreas_> exactly*
[15:07] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: So, I opened adept manager->adept->manage repositories
[15:07] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe:ok, and enabled all repositories?
[15:07] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: and I check alldownloadable from internet
[15:07] <nosrednaekim> except for source code..
[15:07] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: kubuntu software tab, tight?
[15:07] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: yes
[15:08] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. With kmix - the red button at the source.. is red light on ENABLED  or Muted?
[15:08] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: well, and now sudo apt -get install...?
[15:09] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: you have to press the "reload" button in adept first
[15:09] <rothchild> I assume enabled infact looking at kmix again it looks like you should have the red light on and the green off (input enabled output disabled)
[15:09] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: well, another problem: impossible obtain /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: are you runing a "apt-get" command anywhere? are you running two windows of adept?
[15:11] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: reload button is different from fetch button, right?
[15:11] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: yes
[15:11] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim:
[15:11] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: done...
[15:12] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: red means "live", "recording", "on".
[15:12] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: sorry, the label is actually "fetch updates" I was thinking of synaptic...
[15:12] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: nevermind... but same error
[15:12] <jhutchins> !adeptfix
[15:12] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:13] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: ok, close adept, and do what ubotu just said
[15:14] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim:  from shell I have:
[15:14] <giuseppe> E: Impossibile ottenere il lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[15:14] <giuseppe> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[15:14] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: what command did you just run?
[15:14] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim:
[15:14] <giuseppe> E: Impossibile ottenere il lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[15:14] <giuseppe> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[15:15] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: yes, run "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[15:15] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:15] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: do you still have adept open?
[15:15] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: yes
[15:16] <nico3dfx> ciao!!
[15:16] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: it say if I wanna kill process 7382
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: you know, adept and "apt-get" are both package managers, you can install restricted-extras from within adept..
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: don't kill it
[15:17] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: not killed
[15:17] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: so I choose "no"?
[15:17] <al-mestar> pls programme kubuntu
[15:17] <DarkJimmy> hello
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: yes
[15:18] <al-mestar> ello
[15:18] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: so what I have to do?
[15:18] <al-mestar> hello
[15:18] <al-mestar> hi
[15:18] <al-mestar> hi
[15:18] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: search for "kubuntu-restricted-extras" in adept, then install there.
[15:18] <al-mestar> i want au LUNIX program
[15:18] <nosrednaekim> al-mestar: to do what?
[15:18] <nosrednaekim> hi DarkJimmy
[15:19] <al-mestar> any one
[15:19] <al-mestar> miusic
[15:19] <al-mestar> divx
[15:19] <al-mestar> MP3
[15:19] <al-mestar> ...
[15:19] <nosrednaekim> al-mestar: install the divx codecs
[15:19] <nico3dfx> is there an italian channel?
[15:19] <nosrednaekim> !it
[15:19] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[15:20] <giuseppe> nico3dfx: ciao nico
[15:20] <romunov> how can i give write permissions to all users of a certain directory, its files nad subfolders?
[15:20] <romunov> chmod +something something?
[15:21] <nosrednaekim> romunov: itseasy in konqeuror, right click on the folder, properties, permissions
[15:21] <romunov> it's greyed out (in dolphin)
[15:21] <DarkJimmy> got this problem after reinstalling kubuntu, adept updater crashes when applying updates :<
[15:21] <rothchild> romunov: is it a system folder?
[15:22] <romunov> no
[15:22] <romunov> it's a mounted hard drive
[15:22] <romunov> that i hooked up after i reinstalled kubuntu
[15:22] <romunov> and now the permissions are all fuzzy
[15:22] <nosrednaekim> romunov: run "kdesudo dolphin"
[15:22] <nosrednaekim> DarkJimmy: you can update on the command line "sudo apt-get update"
[15:23] <Dr_willis> this is a ext2/3 filesystem external drive>
[15:23] <Dr_willis> ?
[15:23] <rothchild> sorry OTish but are people actually using dolphin? I ditched it almost immediately
[15:23] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: i'm on KDE4, so yes the kde4 dolpin rocks.
[15:24] <romunov> Dr_willis: : it's a fat32 internal hd
[15:24] <nosrednaekim> but the kde3 dolphin is terrible
[15:24] <nosrednaekim> romunov: FAT doesn't have permissions.
[15:24] <Dr_willis> use the umask/uid options in fstab to 'fake' the permissions
[15:24] <romunov> well, it worked yesterday :D
[15:24] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: well, now when I try to open adept manager
[15:24] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: it says: another process in using it
[15:24] <romunov> Dr_willis: can you decimate that statement? fstab? :>
[15:24] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: do you have adept manager already running?
[15:24] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: sorry, but what can I do?
[15:25] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: well I closed it...
[15:25] <Dr_willis> !fstab
[15:25] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[15:25] <Dr_willis> !fat32
[15:25] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[15:25] <romunov> i tried to open the directory "as root", but it will tell me that i don't have enough permission to change the permissions
[15:25] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: can I kill it from shell?
[15:25] <romunov> Dr_willis: thanks
[15:25] <Dr_willis> Opening a directory is not changing the permissions
[15:25] <rothchild> nosrednaekim: does it have tabs and a terminal like konqueror?
[15:26] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: yes.... "sudo killall adept_manager"
[15:26] <nosrednaekim> rothchild: terminal, yes. tabs, no. split screen, yes.
[15:27] <warlock_x64> hi
[15:27] <warlock_x64> ello ppl
[15:27] <warlock_x64> need some help here plz
[15:27] <nosrednaekim> hey warlock_x64
[15:27] <nosrednaekim> whats the problem
[15:28] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: well, I selected it and push on install request
[15:28] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: and...
[15:28] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: then, Apply changes
[15:28] <nosrednaekim> yes
[15:28] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: and now it's waiting for headers
[15:28] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: right?
[15:29] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: but it seems it's waiting for...don't know what
[15:29] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: I guess...
[15:29] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: well well
[15:29] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: now it's downloading
[15:29] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: :)
[15:30] <rothchild> Dr_willis: did you get your mic working?
[15:31] <Dr_willis> Trying to get it working under kde first. I think skype may be the isssue. :)
[15:31] <Dr_willis> I can hear my own voice echo now...
[15:31] <Dr_willis> but not recording it.
[15:31] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: sorry... do u know if it' big package?
[15:31] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: shouldn;t be
[15:31] <rothchild> what are you trying to record with?
[15:31] <andreas> hello i have a question. what  does it mean when a file ends with .sh?
[15:32] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: ok, thanks... now I'll be waiting for :-)
[15:32] <nosrednaekim> andreas: its a shell script
[15:32] <andreas> a shell script?
[15:32] <romunov> there's gotta be an easier way to change permissions :D
[15:32] <andreas> not a programm just a shell script?
[15:33] <nosrednaekim> andreas: a series of shell commands that are run when you run the file
[15:33] <andreas> hm...
[15:33] <andreas> ok now i get it
[15:34] <andreas> so does the later commands in that file count on the previous one?
[15:34] <nosrednaekim> andreas: they CAN
[15:35] <andreas> ok thanks...
[15:35] <BluesKaj> interesting , I compiled FF 3 Beta 2 , but there are no configure or make files and the only way to launch the browser is from with the shell or run the shellscript from the folder . There are no icons available for the desktop, unless I setup a symlink , which to me is a pita :(
[15:35] <Dr_willis> heh - got that going.. Now i need to record the grandbaby saying "Grandma! Answer the Phone!" so she can have a ringtone of the kid for her phone. :P
[15:35] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: did you make insatall?
[15:35] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: you got the precomiled binary
[15:35] <BluesKaj> yup, jhutchins
[15:35] <Dr_willis> romunov,  unmount the filesystem. put the proper optuions in fstab. remount it.
[15:36] <rothchild> Dr_willis: you need the 'capture' channel enabled in kmix too
[15:36] <BluesKaj> it's a tarfile
[15:36] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Looks like you need to build a deb that creates/installs menu entries, desktop icons, and file associations.
[15:36] <andreas> nosrednaekim: what is the relevant of .exe files in windows for linux?
[15:36] <Dr_willis> andreas,  chmod +x whatever  ----> its now an executable
[15:36] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: That doesn't mean anything.  I can make a tarball out of a deb.
[15:37] <andreas> i don't get it
[15:37] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, hmm, never got my feet wet on building a deb
[15:37] <jhutchins> andreas: or sh <file> and it'll run.
[15:37] <nosrednaekim> andreas: there is no direct corrollary.... but .sh and .run come close in most respects
[15:37] <jhutchins> .sh & .bat maybe.
[15:37] <andreas> if a make a C programm and compile and link it, what is the result i will get?
[15:38] <andreas> In windows is a .exe
[15:38] <andreas> in linux?
[15:38] <jpatrick> andreas: same, a binary
[15:38] <jhutchins> andreas: Persumably it's a binary executable with whatever name you choose to give it.
[15:38] <nosrednaekim> andreas: i'm not a C guy... but I THINK you get a file with no suffix
[15:38] <jhutchins> andreas: Linux doesn't care about extensions, although it can use them.
[15:38] <jhutchins> nosrednaekim: Depends entirely what name you specify.
[15:38] <k4ever> hi all, i just tried kubuntu last night.  i like the distro.  my question is how do you guys get the icons to throb (expand) when you click on them?
[15:38] <andreas> but a binary is just a .o object
[15:39] <jhutchins> k4ever: desktop configuration/effects.
[15:39] <andreas> ok so say i got just a file with now extension
[15:39] <jpatrick> andreas: gcc -o <nameYouWantForExe> source.c
[15:39] <nosrednaekim> k4ever: its a standard kde effect
[15:39] <jhutchins> andreas: binary executable - not binary object file.
[15:39] <andreas> to run it i just click on it
[15:39] <andreas> ?
[15:39] <jhutchins> andreas: You'll probably have to make it executable (chmod +x).
[15:39] <jpatrick> andreas: from terminal: ./nameOfExe
[15:40] <andreas> jhutchins: but gcc made it executable for me
[15:40] <andreas> so why we have chmod?
[15:40] <jhutchins> andreas: How nice.  Go for it.
[15:40] <k4ever> jhutchins: where do i find it in kcontrol?
[15:40] <jhutchins> andreas: to change the mode of a file.
[15:40] <osacie> havin probz with via S3 Unichrome drivers
[15:41] <jhutchins> k4ever: I just right click the desktop.
[15:41] <jhutchins> l8r, bkfst.
[15:41] <jpatrick> andreas: just run it: ./exe
[15:42] <andreas> ok so in linux programs don't have specific extension like in windows
[15:42] <andreas> right?
[15:42] <osacie> linux doesnt use exe files
[15:42] <andreas> yeah a program can have any extension you want
[15:43] <jpatrick> andreas: yep
[15:44] <andreas> and is there a good reason why you would want to make a .sh file?
[15:44] <k4ever> jhutchins:  i don't see an "effects" option when i right click on the desktop.
[15:44] <kgfix> andreas: yeah.. Linux identifies files by its attributes and contents rather than their extensions unlike windows, that first needs the correct extension to work at all..
[15:44] <romunov> my fstab reads like so: /dev/hda1 /data auto user,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[15:44] <andreas> kgfix: that makes things cleaner thx :)
[15:44] <romunov> am i missing something, but the option "user" should allow the mounted point to be read by everyone?
[15:45] <Dr_willis> andreas,  linux is Case Se3nestive and in most cases does not need 'extensions'
[15:45] <romunov> this is not my case
[15:45] <romunov> i still cna't access it
[15:45] <Dr_willis> romunov,  thjats not a proper fstab entry. Im suprised its even mounting
[15:45] <romunov> it read "nouser" - i changed it to user
[15:45] <andreas> ok... thanks guys :)
[15:46] <kgfix> andreas: try removing extensions from some jpeg or png images, Linux would still identify them correctly as jpeg and png images respectively :)
[15:46] <romunov> and you are right, i can't see the directory structure
[15:46] <jpatrick> romunov: use Filesystem's in System Settings for fstab editing
[15:46] <andreas> ok thx bye now
[15:47] <Dr_willis> romunov,  /dev/hda1 /mnt/filesystem -t vfat  uid=1000,gid=100 0 0
[15:47] <Dr_willis> would mount it at boot. for a specific user.
[15:48] <romunov> Dr_willis: will mount it in /mnt/filesystem? i would like to to be /data...
[15:48] <Dr_willis> romunov,  im stealing soem exaplpes i googled from --> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mount_MS_Windows_partitions_(FAT,NTFS)
[15:48] <Dr_willis> romunov,  then change it. :) this is linux...
[15:48] <Dr_willis> change what you want.
[15:48] <Dr_willis> the mount point directory MUST MUST exist beforhand..
[15:49] <romunov> mkay, let's try Dr_willis' order
[15:49] <Dr_willis> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/mounting-windows-partition-onto-ubuntu-linux/  has some good examples also.
[15:50] <marco__> hi, is it normal that I go in system settings -> network settings, admin mode, change gateway and dns, then I exit (there is no "save" or "appy" enabled button) then everything returns to the badly configured setup
[15:50] <marco__> I had to manually edit /etc files related with networking
[15:50] <DarkJimmy> that happens to me too
[15:51] <marco__> DarkJimmy: very frustrating, isn't it? fortunatly I'm enough expert to do by hand, but since I often suggest kubuntu to novice, I'm scared
[15:52] <BluesKaj> so where can I find a titorial for building .deb files which will install specifically on (k)ubuntu , not debain ?
[15:52] <marco__> and seems something that should have been fixed asap, while is in this 8.04 apha too
[15:52] <nosrednaekim> marco__: it doesn't save it? always worked for me
[15:52] <BluesKaj> err tutorial
[15:52] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: ask on #ubuntu-motu
[15:52] <Dr_willis> I recall some service changing those networking files on me ages ago..
[15:52] <jpatrick> !packguide | BluesKaj
[15:52] <BluesKaj> ok nosrednaekim , thx
[15:52] <Dr_willis> but i forget what was doing it.
[15:52] <DarkJimmy> my gateway doesn't get saved and I can't update..
[15:52] <marco__> nosrednaekim: no, it does
[15:52] <ubotu> BluesKaj: The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[15:52] <jpatrick> BluesKaj: or read the logs at KubuntuTutorialsDay
[15:54] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: sorry, downloading is around 50%... but if I should disconnect now... next time I will only download remaining part or from beginning?
[15:55] <nosrednaekim> remaining part.... this is odd though thats downloading all of that.... must be alot of updates.
[15:55] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: yeah... a lot of updates
[15:55] <marco__> what should I install to manage my wifi connection?
[15:56] <Dr_willis> depends on your wireless card also marco__
[15:56] <marco__> would love to have something that simplifies the ethernet - wifi usage, like in windows where multiple "profiles" are allowed and automatically managed
[15:56] <Dr_willis> I can never get that working under windows either. :)
[15:57] <marco__> oh, I see... I remember that wireless is hard to support
[15:57] <kgfix> DarkJimmy: remove the gateway entirely, then Apply, might work! worked for me. :)
[15:57] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: so, downloades package should be downloaded and not necessary to re-download... right?
[15:58] <nosrednaekim> giuseppe: yes.
[15:58] <giuseppe> nosrednaekim: ok, thanks :)
[16:00] <jhutchins> What linux uses to identify a file is the "magic word" the first data word of a file.  It also allows file associations, but that's arbitrary.  Traditionally, linux executables don't have extensions.
[16:01] <jhutchins> .sh should specifically be a script meant to run in the sh shell (as opposed to bash, dash, and a dozen other shells).
[16:01] <nosrednaekim> all of which are capable of running .sh's though
[16:01] <DarkJimmy> kgfix: wth it works?
[16:01] <jhutchins> What really determines what it runs in though is the opening characters "#! /bin/sh".
[16:02] <kgfix> DarkJimmy: well you using kubuntu? and trying to apply the network settings?
[16:02] <jhutchins> ...or perhaps "#! /bin/bash" or even "#! /usr/bin/perl"
[16:03] <hungrymouse> how can i get the LaTeX plugin for Kopete to work? currently it makes kopete hang indefinitely when it tries to parse LaTeX.
[16:03] <romunov> Dr_willis: i've inserted the line you suggested, and i get this message when i try to remount: mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[16:03] <kgfix> DarkJimmy: whats the default gateway addr shown in your settings?
[16:03] <DarkJimmy> blank
[16:03] <DarkJimmy> but it's downloading updates now
[16:04] <kgfix> ok..
[16:04] <kgfix> check when you are done with the download and when you changed some settings..
[16:05] <DarkJimmy> I've already destroyed two kubuntu installations in less than 24 hours, I think I should leave it be
[16:09] <hungrymouse> Darkjimmy, join the club. i managed 3 in my first 24 hours ><
[16:11] <bazhang> DarkJimmy: new kubuntu user?
[16:11] <Hamra> !kde4
[16:11] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[16:12] <Hamra> !info kde4
[16:12] <ubotu> Package kde4 does not exist in gutsy
[16:12] <DarkJimmy> bazhang: yes
[16:13] <Hamra> can someone point me to a page with a step-by-step or detailed intructions on how to install kde4?
[16:13] <DarkJimmy> hungrymouse: I'm still on time for a third too
[16:13] <bazhang> DarkJimmy: dont give up hope; when I started a year ago, I went through a bunch of Suse installs (forgot the number) :}
[16:13] <hungrymouse> Darkjimmy, what are you actually trying to DO?
[16:13] <DarkJimmy> install kubuntu, update it, and USE IT
[16:14] <DarkJimmy> linux hates me
[16:15] <hungrymouse> DarkJimmy, you've obviously managed to get internet. so adept should have found a load of updates you need, and stuck a thing in your system tray about it.
[16:15] <bazhang> DarkJimmy: not so serious--the first few weeks are rough for *everybody*
[16:15] <hungrymouse> DarkJimmy, have you let it download those?
[16:15] <DarkJimmy> its upgrading the lot
[16:16] <DarkJimmy> I still have the laptop display problem tho
[16:16] <kgfix> hey, does adept resume downloads like apt-get does?
[16:16] <nosrednaekim> kgfix: yes
[16:17] <gaps> hi peoples
[16:17] <kgfix> nosrednaekim: does it require some arguments to do so?
[16:17] <nosrednaekim> kgfix: does so automatically
[16:17] <kgfix> asking because mine didn't resume by default!
[16:17] <kgfix> so i started using apt-get instead
[16:18] <nosrednaekim> kgfix: huh, odd, maybe you unchecked that setting adept_manager
[16:18] <kgfix> well i tried the front-end that comes with Kubuntu Gutsy
[16:18] <kgfix> Didn't change any settings. I am sure.
[16:19] <benpicco> may reiserfs mess with my data? I noticed some strage artifacts in music files I ripped some month ago - so i´m a little concerned...
[16:19] <marco__> if I install kde4 metapackage, will I be able to choose what kde use at login?
[16:20] <nosrednaekim> marco__: yes
[16:20] <marco__> cool, thanks
[16:20] <joshua> hello all
[16:21] <gaps> hello
[16:21] <kreger> hi
[16:21] <gaps> german people here
[16:21] <kreger> jup
[16:21] <bazhang> !de
[16:21] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[16:21] <gaps> ah sehr gut
[16:21] <kreger> :-)
[16:21] <joshua> : )
[16:22] <gaps> das ist immer gut, probleme hab ich "momentan keine" mein kubuntu läuft auch erst s std
[16:22] <gaps> 2 std
[16:22] <kreger> joa meins auch :-D
[16:22] <bazhang> guys, this is an English channel
[16:22] <nosrednaekim> !repositories
[16:22] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[16:23] <Hamra> !de | gaps
[16:23] <ubotu> gaps: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[16:23] <gaps> treiber loadet gerade
[16:23] <kreger> where?
[16:23] <gaps> ich habs gecheckt
[16:23] <jhutchins> gaps: Not enough of us speak germen here.
[16:23] <gaps> i understand you
[16:24] <jhutchins> Which is good of you, but my german is old and rusty, and to the rest here it's just noise.
[16:24] <gaps> its ok! im speack english, too!
[16:24] <jhutchins> @kubuntu-de
[16:24] <jhutchins> gaps: Great.  60 people in the german channel, though, you're very welcome there as well.
[16:24] <marco__> adept tells  me that kde4 "Breaks", but don't understand what or why... is adept the same as aptitude? I mean, do they use the same index base so I can safely use one or the other?
[16:25] <marco__> I feel more confortable with command line for system administration...
[16:25] <nosrednaekim> marco__: did you add the correct repositories?
[16:25] <marco__> nosrednaekim: I'm using the default ones that come with 8.04... (italian mirror, of course)
[16:27] <gaps> cu
[16:28] <marco__> ok, better fix wireless connection installation first :)
[16:29] <marco__> this is my first laptop.. I do hate laptops and their keyboard, home that I will  become used to it soon
[16:30] <marco__> any chance to become root? I'm very irritated by the sudo thing
[16:30] <benpicco> sudo -s
[16:30] <onishidato> marco__: you can't be root
[16:31] <kgfix> marco__: su -
[16:31] <onishidato> marco__: it's safer for you
[16:31] <marco__> thanks a lot benpicco!
[16:31] <jhutchins> !sudo | marco__
[16:31] <ubotu> marco__: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[16:31] <jhutchins> !kdesu | marco
[16:31] <ubotu> marco: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[16:31] <jhutchins> marco__: It takes some getting used to, but it's a good system.
[16:32] <marco__> jhutchins: good for normal usage, not at the beginning setup phase of a new pc
[16:32] <jhutchins> marco__: There are ways to get around it, but try getting used to it first.
[16:32] <marco__> I have to run a lot of commands / edit config with root privileges now
[16:32] <jhutchins> marco__: that first link will tell you the options.
[16:32] <marco__> thanks a lot
[16:32] <onishidato> hey guys, i can't open the device option of kopete, when i try to reach it, kopete will become frozen. how can i fix this?
[16:34] <jhutchins> onishidato: Use pidgin instead?
[16:35] <onishidato> i use kopete to use webcam
[16:35] <onishidato> pidgin doesn't hvae
[16:35] <onishidato> :)
[16:36] <jhutchins> !webcam | onishidato
[16:36] <ubotu> onishidato: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[16:36] <jhutchins> onishidato: Might be good to check those out first, make sure it's working.
[16:38] <DarkJimmy> by any chance, does anyone know if dell has an irc channel?
[16:38] <bazhang> DarkJimmy: if they do, they wont be very helpful :]
[16:38] <bazhang> !irc | DarkJimmy
[16:38] <ubotu> DarkJimmy: A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[16:38] <Lynoure> I'm pretty sure there is no official irc channel for Dell.
[16:39] <DarkJimmy> I hate these money-hungry corporations..
[16:40] <Lynoure> I would not do official support on irc either, for technical reasons.
[16:41] <Lynoure> and my 'corporation' is just 1 person entrepreneurship. :)
[16:42] <bazhang> haha
[16:45] <DarkJimmy> woot! beneath a steel sky!!
[16:46] <bazhang> DarkJimmy: get dosbox
[16:46] <DarkJimmy> bazhang: dosbox is teh suck
[16:46] <bazhang> DarkJimmy: zsnes
[16:47] <DarkJimmy> vmware with windows 3.1 ftw!
[16:47] <DarkJimmy> *3.11
[16:48] <marco__> AR5418 wifi chipset, wondering if the "macc info" that I find in google can be safely followed... anyone here that has the same chipset, and can address me to the right module?
[16:51] <marco__> mmm looks like is not very "free software friendly" or stable :(
[16:53] <Pennycook> Hey guys, is there any graphical utility for dealing with drive formats?  I've got an NTFS drive (currently mounted and left over from when I switched to Kubu from Windows) and I'm looking to format it in ext3
[16:54] <kingoftheroots> partitionmagich
[16:54] <bazhang> !parted
[16:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about parted - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:54] <kingoftheroots> !qpart
[16:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qpart - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:55] <bazhang> !info qtparted
[16:55] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu12 (gutsy), package size 206 kB, installed size 720 kB
[16:55] <bazhang> Pennycook: see above
[16:55] <Pennycook> Thanks
[16:56] <bazhang> no worries
[16:58] <zismuc> spanish?
[16:58] <zismuc> Hola
[16:58] <zismuc> español
[16:58] <bazhang> !es
[16:58] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[17:02] <Pennycook> Okay, that didn't go so well
[17:05] <Fredsky> Any one know how I can increase the size of fonts on KDE?
[17:05] <kingoftheroots> in kcontrol
[17:05] <benpicco_> in System Settings->Appeance
[17:06] <Fredsky> That works for the applications but just a little for KDE
[17:07] <Fredsky> The apps are fine it's kde that is to small to read
[17:07] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. the 6 yr old. just tossed the wii contrller behind the tv...
[17:07] <Dr_willis> People donbt relize you DONT have to swing hard with the things...
[17:07] <Pennycook> qtparted doesn't seem to be doing anything; if I click "format" it claims to have done it, but nothing happens
[17:08] <Dr_willis> Pennycook,  theres an apply/do the tasks button i belibve
[17:08] <Dr_willis> you set up th layout how ya want.. hit the apply, and it does all the needed tasks.
[17:09] <Pennycook> Okay, thanks
[17:09] <Dr_willis> its called 'commit' :) for some.. well.. reason
[17:09] <DarkJimmy> gah! adept keeps crashing!
[17:10] <Dr_willis> That way you can undo/quit and not trash the drive by mistake
[17:10] <bazhang> DarkJimmy: use the command line instead--much easier
[17:10] <DarkJimmy> how do I use the command line?
[17:10] <kingoftheroots> lol
[17:11] <Dr_willis> apt-get install abs-guide
[17:11] <jussi01> !terminal
[17:11] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[17:11] <Dr_willis> or similer :) is how ya use the command line to install things
[17:11] <jussi01> DarkJimmy: ^
[17:11] <Dr_willis> with a sudo of course. :)
[17:11] <DarkJimmy> yeah, what I meant is what do I type
[17:12] <bazhang> DarkJimmy: to install something sudo apt-get install packagename to update sudo apt-get update to upgrade sudo apt-get upgrade; the advantage to this is if there is a problem you can read the error messages
[17:12] <kingoftheroots> !apt
[17:12] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[17:13] <DarkJimmy> ok thanks
[17:13] <bazhang> no worries
[17:14] <kirk_> hey
[17:14] <Pennycook> Dr_willis: I did as you said, and qtparted reported it was completed successfully... But the Disk & Filesystems menu still reports it as being NTFS
[17:15] <Pennycook> Or will it not have recognised the change?
[17:15] <Dr_willis> Pennycook,  you may need to reboot for the kernel to see the changes
[17:15] <Dr_willis> do a  'sudo fdisk -l' perhaps  to see what the disks are..
[17:16] <ubunturos> I can't get a user defined API to run in Java, even after specifying the classpath. (Asked in ##java - no response)
[17:16] <Pennycook> Oh, wait, just checked terminal output, it says "Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled"
[17:16] <Pennycook> And fdisk says it's NTFS too
[17:16] <Dr_willis> what are you trying to do exactly?
[17:17] <Pennycook> This was a Windows PC and I installed Kubu onto it.  Now I'm trying to convert all the NTFS drives to ext3 ones.
[17:17] <kirk_> could anyone enlighten me on how to make a external usb hard drive show up automatically when i boot up the system. i'm running kubuntu 7.10
[17:17] <bazhang> kirk_: what format?
[17:18] <kirk_> ext3
[17:18] <LjL> uhm, didn't KTorrent have a display where you could see a graph of the completed parts of a torrent, and a list of files with their completion status? am i completely confused?
[17:18] <Dr_willis> Theres plugins for ktorrent that are not enabled by default
[17:19] <LjL> Dr_willis: oh. that was it. suppose it was enabled by default in some older release... or i had enabled it but didn't remember :)
[17:20] <Downix> man, porting is harder than I thought
[17:20] <Pennycook> Dr_willis: Any suggestions?  Running qtparted again brings up the same error in the terminal as it opens
[17:20] <DarkJimmy> do the packages automatically create links int he K menu, or it depends of the package?
[17:21] <jussi01> DarkJimmy: it depends on the package - most do,but some dont
[17:21] <Pennycook> Oh no, only upon clicking sdc1
[17:21] <jussi01> DarkJimmy: which package are you referring to?
[17:22] <kirk_> could anyone enlighten me on how to make a external usb hard drive (ext3) show up automatically when i boot up the system. i'm running kubuntu 7.10
[17:23] <jussi01> kirk_: how do you mount it now?
[17:23] <kingoftheroots> kirk_, mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdxy
[17:23] <linuxmce> HALP!
[17:23] <Pennycook> Is there any easier way to create one big partition out of sdc and make sure it's ext3?
[17:23] <jussi01> linuxmce: ??
[17:23] <linuxmce> I have a hagpauge (sp?) 150 pvr doesn't seem to be recognized
[17:24] <kingoftheroots> erm
[17:24] <jussi01> linuxmce: on kubuntu?
[17:24] <linuxmce> ees borked!
[17:24] <linuxmce> y3p
[17:24] <linuxmce> yep
[17:24] <kirk_> it isnt mounted now. i just upgraded to 7.10
[17:24] <wolf0129> cannot get online on other box. know it is trying to access the internet but is not succeeding
[17:24] <wolf0129> windows tower is displaying message ip conflict
[17:25] <Dr_willis> i got a Hauppage 150 - works good with MythTV. You do need to configure the Mythtv to use the card. It dosent auto-see it , and has the wrong thing in one of the pull down menus.
[17:25] <Dr_willis> byeee
[17:25] <linuxmce> hmm
[17:25] <kirk_> it used to be something in the fstab i think.... some line u put in there to make it automount
[17:26] <wolf0129> can some one help me
[17:27] <bazhang> wolf0129: what system on the other box?
[17:27] <wolf0129> kubuntu
[17:27] <jussi01> !fstab | kirk_
[17:27] <ubotu> kirk_: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[17:27] <bazhang> wolf0129: wired or wireless?
[17:27] <wolf0129> wired
[17:28] <bazhang> wolf0129: can you access the machine now?
[17:28] <wolf0129> no but i have information in front of me
[17:28] <wolf0129> i know it is a ip settin
[17:29] <wolf0129> windows recognises the IP conflict
[17:29] <DarkJimmy> :< this still happens http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1513/22122007002cv2.jpg
[17:29] <wolf0129> windows tower recognizes the IP conflict
[17:29] <bazhang> wolf0129: you talking to me? I may miss it if you dont use my nick in your response as I am in other channels
[17:30] <wolf0129> bazhang i know that it is a problem in the IP settings
[17:30] <kingoftheroots> set new ip
[17:30] <bazhang> wolf0129: if you know then why do you ask? It may be something else
[17:31] <mauri> how to have a clean 7.10
[17:31] <wolf0129> bazhang The windows tower displays an IP conflict
[17:31] <florianr> I am burning an audio CD with K3B ... But I want an autmatic Gap between each title ... Is that possible with k3b? Perhaps I need a plugin?
[17:31] <mauri> adept still continue to give me eror
[17:32] <bazhang> wolf0129: problem with a windows machine? ask in ##windows; if you can access the machine using ubuntu/kubuntu then it may be fixed here--provided you give enough info
[17:33] <wolf0129> bazhang the kubuntu is where my problem is
[17:33] <anakin_> when i try to rdesktop hostname, i am getting this message saying that local policy does not allow login. checked all the windows configuration i know of, just need to make sure i've not overlooked some rdesktop setting. have I?
[17:33] <bazhang> wolf0129: you have said you know the problem--why ask here?
[17:34] <wolf0129> bazhang because i was hoping some might be able to tell me how to set up the ip so that there is no conflict
[17:34] <wolf0129> bazhang i have the IP info in front of me
[17:34] <DarkJimmy> thanks for the help, bye!
[17:35] <kingoftheroots> wolf0129, dhclient3 eth0
[17:35] <bazhang> wolf0129: if you know the problem then you can fix it; if you want to be sure that is the real problem, then you need access to the machine
[17:36] <wolf0129> bazhang but how can i fix the IP conflict
[17:37] <bazhang> wolf0129: if you want help--I'll say this again--you need access to the machine; no idea otherwise
[17:37] <wolf0129> bazhang thanks
[17:38] <ubuntu_> hi
[17:38] <Pennycook> Okya, kernel reboot fixed my issue, but now I'm not allowed to write to it because it's mounted as root/root.. Is it safe to mount a drive as my user, or would it be better off me creating a folder inside that one that I had write access for?  This is my first time messing around with mountpoints really, so I'm a little concerned
[17:38] <ubuntu_> i installed a pre release of gutsy on a machine
[17:38] <ubuntu_> will apt-get update bring me up to the stable version?
[17:38] <bazhang> ubuntu_:  a pre-release?
[17:38] <ubuntu_> s/update/& upgrade/
[17:38] <ubuntu_> bazhang: a beta
[17:39] <bazhang> okay ubuntu, and?
[17:39] <wolf0129> kub^
[17:39] <girolamo> !italiano
[17:39] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[17:39] <ubuntu_> like i said - will my system be the same as a stable release once i've apt-get upgraded? or will there be cruft to remove?
[17:39] <bazhang> oh I see
[17:39] <wolf0129> kub^ are you available
[17:40] <bazhang> ubuntu_: do you have a ton of stuff to back up?
[17:40] <ubuntu_> bazhang: no, all my personal stuff is on NFS
[17:41] <althair> Buenas
[17:41] <bazhang> ubuntu_: you should be okay--that is what I did as well, and no problems so far--though some will swear by a clean install :}
[17:41] <althair> hello
[17:41] <bazhang> hi althair
[17:41] <ubuntu_> bazhang: cheers. have you tried kde4 rc2?
[17:41] <kingoftheroots> clean install is prob best
[17:42] <bazhang> ubuntu_: no; waiting for kde4.5 :}
[17:42] <cumulus> Could someone tell me how I can remove gnome and it's programs from my computer? I though the packet was ubuntu-desktop, but it is marked as not installed
[17:42] <kingoftheroots> lol
[17:42] <ubuntu_> cumulus: apt-cache search gnome | cut -d' ' -f 1 | xargs apt-get remove
[17:43] <bazhang> wow
[17:43] <althair> does someone know if selecting processor famili (586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX) in the kernel configurarion is ok to use a Core2 Duo?
[17:43] <ubuntu_> rc2 was screwed up on my machine - titlebars had essence of hung X
[17:44] <ubuntu_> and apt seemed to barf over file collisions
[17:44] <bazhang> althair: 32bit or 64 bit is what you are wanting?
[17:45] <ubuntu_> althair: x86 - prescott afaik
[17:45] <althair> hum... no because i herd about using 64bits with core2, wich arent "real" 64 bits and you can have problems
[17:45] <althair> but I have seen in a webpage how configurate a debian kernel to use a core2
[17:45] <kingoftheroots> althair what kernel.? if i remember 2.6.23-11 has an option only for core duo's.. but 6x86 should work
[17:45] <althair> and you have the option: intel core 2 duo
[17:46] <althair> I am using config-2.6.22-14-generic
[17:46] <jumpkick> is there somewhere to adjust the bass on KDE sound settings?
[17:46] <Pennycook> Anybody?  I've mounted my new ext3 drive at /music, the owner is coming up as root root (as with the ext3 partition I have mounted as /) but I can't seem to write it; how do I enable writing to the drive?
[17:46] <althair> I am surprised cause I havent that option
[17:47] <ubuntu_> Pennycook: man chmod
[17:47] <bazhang> jumpkick for which app?
[17:47] <cumulus> To login as root, it's "su | password" right? =S
[17:47] <althair> and in the webpage says that from 2.6.20 in advance, the kernell has an option for core2 duo
[17:48] <althair> an specific option
[17:48] <Pennycook> ubuntu_: When I do that, the GUI properties window doesn't update.  Or is it not supposed to?  I'm just worried it'll automount as 755 everytime instead of as 777
[17:48] <Downix> Ok, I cannot find which package has sdl in it
[17:49] <ubuntu_> Pennycook: no idea, i don't use the gui
[17:49] <markit2> how on earth can it  be that they have choosen a gray icon for the "apply" button even when is enabled??
[17:50] <Pennycook> ubuntu_: Okay.  If I chmod 777 /dev/sdc1 then, that should work?
[17:50]  * genii pries his eyes open and pours a coffee
[17:51] <kingoftheroots> althair, you should have a kernel with MCORE2 enabled not any of 586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX b|cos they are for amd cpus
[17:52] <Pennycook> Okay, didn't work
[17:53] <althair> and now, what should I do?
[17:53] <althair> install a new kernell? the one for 64bit processors is only for amd
[17:53] <althair> not?
[17:53] <Taipon> someone german here_
[17:54] <Taipon> _
[17:54] <kingoftheroots> althair, zcat /proc/config.gz  |grep MCORE2
[17:54] <kingoftheroots> not set?
[17:55] <Taipon> anyone german here?
[17:55] <althair> kingoftheroots: there are not such file (config.gz) :S
[17:56] <rothchild> !de
[17:56] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[17:56] <kingoftheroots> ohk.. you kernel dosent support it then
[17:57] <althair> but when I downloaded the 7.10 kubuntu I only had 2 options, pc (intel x86) or 64(AMD64)
[17:57] <kingoftheroots> intel was your choice then since you got a intel cpu
[17:57] <althair> shall I search for a normal ubuntu kernel?
[17:57] <kingoftheroots> i would build my own
[17:57] <althair> yes, I installed that intel version
[17:57] <kingoftheroots> with make oldconfig
[17:57] <althair> yes
[17:58] <althair> this is what i was doing
[17:58] <althair> but I hadnt found an specific option for core2 duo
[17:58] <kingoftheroots> before make you must edit .config and set MCORE2
[17:58] <althair> only the 586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX
[17:58] <kingoftheroots> in the kernel source dur
[17:59] <kingoftheroots> no thouse are for amd and cyrix cpu's
[18:01] <althair> replacing "# CONFIG_MCORE2 is not set" by "CONFIG_MCORE2=y"?
[18:01] <kingoftheroots> althair, .. get the newest kernel form kenel.org. extract it to /usr/src . cd to that path. run make oldconfig then make gconfig and make nessesary changes. then  make bzImage and make modules ; make modules_istall
[18:02] <althair> ok kingoftheroots, thanks a lot!
[18:04] <markit2> anyone can tell me how to make bluetooth work? dmesg tells that a bluetooth device has been found, but kbluetooth tells that nothing is available as bluetoot interface
[18:05] <markit2> (no bluetooth adapter)
[18:05] <markit2> any idea?
[18:09] <kingoftheroots> turn on you phone :p
[18:11] <markit2> kingoftheroots: seems that is a toshiba problem, and I have to use toothset :(
[18:11] <eshat> what is a good kde programm to make a screencase or to record my desktop ???
[18:11] <eshat> * screencase=screencast
[18:12] <kingoftheroots> hmm. normaly its autodetected with you etc  turn on bluetooth on your phone
[18:12] <kingoftheroots> */with/when
[18:12] <rothchild> markit2:  is kdebluetoothd started?
[18:13] <markit2> rothchild: yes, but I'm googling and seems that toshiba has it disabled by default, and you need toshet to enable it, but I've tried and complains about required kernel toshiba support now
[18:16] <XBehave> what do you need to do a post test?
[18:21] <darx> hi folks, I need to install kde4 rc2. I'm currently running xubuntu. how can i install it? the kde 4 rc2 page at kubuntu says that kde4 rc2 packages are available for kubuntu 7.10. does that mean I'll have to install kubuntu destop before installing kde4?
[18:21] <darx> :-)
[18:21] <darx> anybody home?
[18:21] <jpatrick> darx: installing kde4 directly should be fine
[18:21] <darx> cool
[18:27] <sigma_123> anyone here from south africa?
[18:28] <LjL> !za
[18:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about za - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:28] <LjL> err
[18:28] <sigma_123> huh? wanted to know if anyone can send the kde4 rc2 live cd 2me
[18:29] <sigma_123> dont hav da bandwidth to dload it
[18:29] <LjL> sigma_123: there is a channel #ubuntu-za
[18:30] <sigma_123> ubuntu-za
[18:32] <Jabapyth> Ive got an sd card that says its read-only... the "lock" tab isnt in place, but It still wont let me write. :(. Does anyone know whats wrong?
[18:41] <XBehave> Jabapyth:
[18:41] <XBehave> Jabapyth: what format is the car? it might be mounted wrong
[18:41] <Jabapyth> default....i havnt changed it.
[18:47] <kirk_> hey ppl
[18:48] <kirk_> no media players will play ANY type of video... any suggestions?
[18:48] <Downix> do you have any video codecs installed?
[18:49] <kirk_> i believe
[18:49] <kirk_> the ones off of Automatix
[18:49] <Downix> no idea then
[18:50] <noaxess_kubuntu> !iwl
[18:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iwl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:51] <kirk_> this is horriblwe
[18:51] <kirk_> switching to 7.10 was stupid
[18:52] <hydrogen> if you used automatix.. then yes, it was
[18:52] <kirk_> worked fine on 7.04
[18:52] <kirk_> played any media
[18:53] <kirk_> it will play, but the picture is all scrambled up
[18:53] <kirk_> audio works fine
[18:53] <kamilos> Hi guys, I updated to kubuntu 7.10. My notebook multimeda keys (volume up/down) does not work. In 7.4 it worked. Do you know what is wrong?
[18:54] <kirk_> probably the "updated to kubuntu 7.10" part is where u f'd up
[18:55] <hydrogen> kirk_: in your case, automatix is, and never has been, supported, because it does all sorts of bad things
[18:55] <kamilos> maybe.. but it is done... now I need to solve it :(
[18:56] <hydrogen> kamilos: I've not had problems using them in gutsy.. have you checked launchpad to see if there is any bugs reported for your notebook?
[18:56] <kamilos> hydrogen: launchpad... what is it?
[18:57] <kirk_> Ummmmmmm.... it didnt work before i used automatix.
[18:57] <kirk_> which was why i installed the codecs...
[18:57] <hydrogen> !launchpad | kamilos
[18:57] <ubotu> kamilos: Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[18:57] <hydrogen> !bugs | kamilos
[18:57] <ubotu> kamilos: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[18:58] <kamilos> thank.. I will check the links
[19:05] <nosrednaekim> mighty quiet around here
[19:06] <Pennycook> Ok, this is a mighty stupid question... How possible is it to undo a shift-delete?
[19:08] <Jabapyth> Pennycook: very hard....youll probably need costly software
[19:08] <ardchoille> Pennycook: Once a file is really deleted, it's gone.
[19:08] <ardchoille> Pennycook: Daily backups?
[19:08] <Pennycook> So there's no recovery utility in kubu?
[19:16] <chemicalvamp> i need a hand with two things. One setting up a partition table. and the other is a refresher on the command "#grub -install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda"
[19:19] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: ok.... what about the partition table?
[19:21] <chemicalvamp> well i basicly need a setup like this 100mb boot.. 100gb windows and 60gb backupspace
[19:21] <chemicalvamp> my linux install is on my USB flash drive
[19:21] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: why do you need a separate /boot? MBR works fine
[19:21] <chemicalvamp> to install grub to
[19:21] <snarkster> could someone point me to an easy manual for installing a different drm?
[19:22] <jussi01> snarkster: drm?
[19:23] <snarkster> yah I have mach64 chipset and I need to get mach64 support to have alittle 3d acceleration support
[19:23] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: you can put grub on the MBR
[19:24] <DarkLegacy> Guys
[19:24] <DarkLegacy> I love the .deb system
[19:24] <DarkLegacy> Seriously
[19:24] <DarkLegacy> It's even easier to use than Windows installers
[19:24] <chemicalvamp> where will menu.lst and all that be kept?
[19:24] <DarkLegacy> There's no stupid license agreements
[19:24] <DarkLegacy> No repetitive hitting of the next button
[19:24] <DarkLegacy> Just, enter password, OK, DONE.
[19:24] <jussi01> snarkster: what does that have to do with drm? (digital right management?)
[19:24] <jussi01> !enter | DarkLegacy
[19:24] <ubotu> DarkLegacy: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[19:25] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: oh... true... never mind you are right :D
[19:25] <DarkLegacy> Sorry. :(
[19:25] <jussi01> DarkLegacy: :)
[19:25] <DarkLegacy> :)
[19:25] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: you could have them on your flash drive
[19:25] <snarkster> DRM in linux world is Direct Resolution Management
[19:25] <snarkster> i think
[19:25] <jussi01> snarkster: ahh...
[19:25] <snarkster> 3d support
[19:26] <chemicalvamp> ide like them on my harddrive
[19:26] <nosrednaekim> Direct rendering Management
[19:26] <snarkster> yes thank you I havent had coffey yet.
[19:26] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: ok, well, thats definately possible
[19:28] <chemicalvamp> yeah i have it set up on my old harddrive.. just got a new one today
[19:29] <romunov> Dr_willis: i found the right setting: /dev/hda7 /mnt/WINME vfat auto,umask=0000 0 0
[19:29] <chemicalvamp> so whats the command for partitioner?
[19:30] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: grab qtparted
[19:31] <faLUCE> hi. given myfile.wav , how can i split it in part1.wav, part2.wav and part3.wav  (with starting times = 0 seconds for part1, 3 minutes and 5 seconds for part2, 5 minutes for part3) ? thnks
[19:31] <chemicalvamp> nosrednaekim i have it
[19:32] <theunixgeek> How do I install libqt.so.1 on Ubuntu?
[19:32] <snarkster> apt-get install libqt
[19:32] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: run it..
[19:33] <theunixgeek> snarkster: thanks; I'll try that
[19:33] <theunixgeek> snarkster: there's no such thing as libqt.
[19:33] <snarkster> hold please
[19:34] <jussi01> theunixgeek: libqt-mt iirc
[19:34] <theunixgeek> jussi01: sudo apt-get install libqt-mt iirc
[19:34] <theunixgeek> ?
[19:34] <jussi01> theunixgeek: leave the iirc of ;)
[19:34] <jussi01> off*
[19:34] <theunixgeek> ok
[19:35] <nickname00000> hi all
[19:35] <snarkster> im searching to verify in synaptic
[19:35] <theunixgeek> jussi01: doesn't exist
[19:35] <jussi01> theunixgeek: IIRC - if i remember correctly ;)
[19:35] <theunixgeek> jussi01: what's iirc?
[19:35] <jussi01> theunixgeek: ^^
[19:35] <theunixgeek> what?
[19:35] <jussi01> if i remember correctly
[19:35] <theunixgeek> ooh
[19:35] <theunixgeek> ok
[19:35] <messiah> hello
[19:35] <nickname00000> i'd like to try kde 4.0 : what do you suggest me, to download kubuntu 7.10 kde4.0 live cd or kubuntu 8.04 and install kde 4.0 there?
[19:36] <jussi01> !kde4 | nickname00000
[19:36] <ubotu> nickname00000: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[19:36] <messiah> oh... i thought the last kubuntu was 7.10
[19:36] <jussi01> have a look at the last link
[19:36] <theunixgeek> messiah: it is.... :P
[19:36] <jussi01> messiah: it is - 8.04 is not released yet
[19:36] <messiah> ah...
[19:36] <messiah> ok ok, thank you ^
[19:36] <theunixgeek> libqt.so.1
[19:37] <surgy> i need a program that will convert avi and divx to smv, can anyone help?
[19:37] <nickname00000> 8.04 is on alpha 2 right now
[19:37] <jussi01> !find libqt.so.1
[19:37] <surgy> !smv
[19:37] <ubotu> Package/file libqt.so.1 does not exist in gutsy
[19:37] <jussi01> hmmm
[19:37] <messiah> am new here, i have just installed 7.10 yesterday, what i have to do in order to listen mp3 and view avi for example?
[19:37] <nickname00000> what do you suggest me? to try alpha 2 of kubuntu 8.04 and install there kde4rc2?
[19:37] <jussi01> !mp3 | messiah
[19:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smv - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:37] <ubotu> messiah: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[19:37] <romunov> messiah: you probably have amarok installed - just run it. it will ask you to install mp3 support
[19:37] <snarkster> theunixgeek: are you running kde or console
[19:37] <theunixgeek> messiah: what's your main language?
[19:38] <messiah> spanish
[19:38] <jussi01> !es | messiah
[19:38] <ubotu> messiah: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[19:38] <theunixgeek> snarkster: I'm using GNOME, but I know QT is kde-related
[19:38] <messiah> arigatou gozaimas :D
[19:38] <nosrednaekim> messiah: install "kubuntu-restricted-extras"
[19:38] <snarkster> yuck gnome
[19:38] <jussi01> !info libqt-mt
[19:38] <ubotu> Package libqt-mt does not exist in gutsy
[19:38] <theunixgeek> snarkster: I like both
[19:38] <surgy> anyone?
[19:38] <theunixgeek> jussi01: did it use to exist?
[19:38] <theunixgeek> surgy: what?
[19:38] <snarkster> apt-get install libqt3-mt
[19:39] <jussi01> theunixgeek: ^
[19:39] <theunixgeek> I'll try that
[19:39] <jussi01> theunixgeek: I always forget the  3 ;)
[19:39] <surgy> i need a converter to convert avi and divx into smv format
[19:39] <theunixgeek> it says it's already installed and the newest version. :(
[19:39] <theunixgeek> surgy: VLC plays all video formats you can think of
[19:40] <surgy> yeah but in order for me to move them onto my mp3 player it needs to be in smv format
[19:40] <theunixgeek> ho
[19:40] <theunixgeek> *oh
[19:40] <snarkster> theunixgeek: what version of qt do you want to install?
[19:40] <theunixgeek> snarkster: 3 or later
[19:41] <snarkster> ok then try apt-get install libqt4-core
[19:41] <theunixgeek> it's installing! :D
[19:42] <theunixgeek> nope :(
[19:42] <theunixgeek> still doesn't work
[19:42] <jussi01> theunixgeek: what are you trying to do exactly?
[19:42] <wraithmagi> anyone know of a way to force the system tray applet use 2 rows of icons instead of one?
[19:42] <snarkster> get rid of gnome and oinstall kde. :D
[19:42] <Artimus> wraithmagi: Try making the panel taller...
[19:43] <theunixgeek> jussi01: run a program that says "cannot open shared object file"
[19:43] <Artimus> wraithmagi: I had the same problem, I set it to a custom size of 48pixels
[19:43] <theunixgeek> "error while loading shared libraries: libqt.so.1: cannot open share object file"
[19:43] <Artimus> (right click on panel, configure panel)
[19:43] <theunixgeek> snarkster: do you think that'll work?
[19:43] <jussi01> theunixgeek: which program...
[19:43] <theunixgeek> jussi01: mek
[19:43] <theunixgeek> jussi01: http://www.linux-france.org/prj/mek/
[19:43] <ziutek> pojebalo was oO?
[19:43] <snarkster> theunixgeek: no i have no idea really. :)
[19:43] <theunixgeek> jussi01: hopefully you speak French :P
[19:43] <wraithmagi> configure panel doesn't give that option... just which to show/hide etc....
[19:44] <jussi01> theunixgeek: nope...
[19:44] <theunixgeek> snarkster: well, the website says that in KDE the library is already on the system....
[19:44] <theunixgeek> I'll try that.
[19:44] <Artimus> wraithmagi: Set the size to Custom
[19:44] <wraithmagi> already have done.
[19:44] <Artimus> wraithmagi: You're on the Arrangement tab, right?
[19:45] <wraithmagi> yup.
[19:45] <wraithmagi> have length set to 95% tho.
[19:45] <wraithmagi> hang about.
[19:45] <Artimus> Shouldn't matter
[19:45] <Artimus> I'm set to 99%
[19:45] <surgy> so noone can help me convert a file from avi to smv?
[19:45] <Artimus> Not sure what to tell you.  I had issues when I had my panel size set to normal.  That's when I switched to a custom size of 48 pixels.  Now I've got two rows
[19:46] <wraithmagi> yeah... doesn't matter.
[19:46] <wraithmagi> er....
[19:46] <wraithmagi> hang on...
[19:46] <nosrednaekim> make your taskbar font smaller
[19:46] <wraithmagi> ???
[19:47] <romunov> surgy: have you tried googling "avi 2 smv" or something similar?
[19:47] <surgy> yes
[19:47] <surgy> all i find is windows tools
[19:47] <surgy> and i cant seam to find anything for linux
[19:47] <theunixgeek> does kubuntu-desktop have the normal Kubuntu apps?
[19:47] <Artimus> theunixgeek: It's a meta package, yes
[19:47] <theunixgeek> yay :)
[19:48] <nosrednaekim> theunixgeek: yeah
[19:49] <gon> !frost wire
[19:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about frost wire - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:49] <wraithmagi> guess I'll work on it later.... thx any way artimus.
[19:49] <vzduch> !info frostwire
[19:49] <jussi01> !frostwire
[19:49] <ubotu> Package frostwire does not exist in gutsy
[19:49] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[19:49] <Artimus> wraithmagi: Have you tried setting it taller than 48 pixels?
[19:50] <theunixgeek> what's that one website that gives you a list of all the sudo apt-get remove's that you need to keep a pure KDE desktop and completely remove GNOME since removing ubuntu-desktop doesn't remove all the GNOME apps?
[19:50] <vzduch> I say, use gtk-gnutella
[19:50] <nosrednaekim> theunixgeek: I think that if you use apt0tude it will remove the dependencies
[19:51] <jussi01> !purekde | theunixgeek
[19:51] <ubotu> theunixgeek: purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[19:51] <theunixgeek> thanks
[19:51] <surgy> !smv converter
[19:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smv converter - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:53] <surgy> fuck it
[19:53] <nosrednaekim> !ohmy
[19:53] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[19:53] <jussi01> a little late  nosrednaekim  ;p
[19:53] <nosrednaekim> yup.
[19:54] <ed__> Hi people!!!
[19:54] <theunixgeek> why didn't surgy just google it :P
[19:54] <theunixgeek> ed__: Hi ed__!
[19:54] <awen_> anybody else here using kubuntu hardy on a laptop?
[19:54] <theunixgeek> awen_: #kubuntu+1 I think
[19:55] <ed__> Please help me
[19:55] <jussi01> awen_: #ubuntu+1 for hardy stuff
[19:55] <nosrednaekim> #ubuntu+1
[19:55] <jussi01> !ask | ed__
[19:55] <ubotu> ed__: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[19:55] <theunixgeek> !ask | ed__
[19:55] <theunixgeek> woops :P
[19:55] <awen_> nosrednaekim: thx
[19:55] <theunixgeek> ed__: what do you need help with?
[19:55] <Flare183> !language >surgy
[19:55] <theunixgeek> awen_: yah, #ubuntu+1
[19:55] <Flare183> !language > surgy
[19:55] <theunixgeek> Flare183: he's gone
[19:55] <ed__> I cen't connect to ICQ(copete)
[19:55]  * Flare183 says crap
[19:56] <theunixgeek> ed__: Kopete
[19:56] <theunixgeek> not Copete
[19:56]  * Flare183 says wrong person/channel
[19:56] <theunixgeek> :P
[19:56] <theunixgeek> lol almost all KDE things begin with K
[19:56] <awen_> yep... the #kubuntu+1 looked so empty :)
[19:57] <ed__> O i'm sory. I litle speek ing
[19:57] <theunixgeek> awen_: did you ask your question there anyway? ;)
[19:57] <jussi01> ed__: your language?
[19:57] <ed__> Russian
[19:57] <jussi01> !ru | ed__
[19:57] <ubotu> ed__: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[19:57] <awen_> theunixgeek: no :P
[19:57] <theunixgeek> !russian | ed__
[19:57] <theunixgeek> awen_: do it anyway; they're quite helpful there :)
[19:57] <jussi01> awen_: #ubuntu+1 covers both
[19:58] <ed__> Thanks for help!
[19:58] <awen_> theunixgeek: i know... i'm very helpful :)
[19:59] <osacie> ello ppl
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> hey osacie
[19:59] <voonte> I'm about to try Kubuntu Hardy Alpha 2 out (with KDE4). Which is the easiest way to get Kubuntu installed without a CD or USB?
[19:59] <benpicco> Hi,i´m wondering what to to to avoid the taskbar displaying all windows on all desktops when compiz is enabled
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> voonte: with vmware from within windows
[19:59] <osacie> great news....new updates r available for Kununtu 7.10 - KDE 4.5 patch
[20:00] <jussi01> !netinstall | voonte
[20:00] <ubotu> voonte: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[20:00] <nosrednaekim> benpicco: you need the compiz-kicker app.
[20:00] <jussi01> osacie: no, kde 4,5 does not exist
[20:00] <nosrednaekim> benpicco: but there isn't a package for it.
[20:00] <voonte> Wow, thanks :)
[20:00] <jussi01> :)
[20:00] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: in backport's NEW
[20:01] <blizzzek> hi
[20:01] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: awesome :D
[20:02] <benpicco> i´ve already installed kicker-compiz from kde-look and switched to compiz windowbar and compiz desktopmanager nosrednaekim
[20:02] <nosrednaekim> benpicco: you need to add kicker compiz as the taskbar applet
[20:02] <sat_> I can't find the shutdown icon, but i can see hibernate, logout, etc. In ubuntu, I installed kubuntu package.
[20:02] <jpatrick> benpicco: yep, they're both in Hardy and stuck in gutsy-backports NEW till someone pulls them out from there
[20:03] <small_stripes> ctrl + alt + backspace
[20:05] <sat_> How can I get shutdownd icon. I can't find the shutdown icon, but i can see hibernate, logout, etc. In ubuntu, I installed kubuntu package.
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> sat_: did you modify your kdm settings? make sure all users have permission to shut down
[20:08] <sat_> i didn't modify kdm seetings. currenlty, to shutdown: I logout and then shutdown. It's a 2 step process. I'm trying to get back the shutdown button
[20:08] <sat_> nosrednaekim:   i didn't modify kdm seetings. currenlty, to shutdown: I logout and then shutdown. It's a 2 step process. I'm trying to get back the shutdown button
[20:09] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> sat_: same thing happened to me infact....it fixed itself with some update..
[20:10] <jussi01> sat_: you need to make kde the default window manager
[20:11] <benpicco> nosrednaekim: i´ve installed the .deb file from http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=46021 again, there are both the desktop switcher and the taskbar compiz apps active, i can't find an app called kicker-compiz
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> benpicco: you may need to configure the taskbar to only show tasks from the active desktop?
[20:12] <sat_> jussi01:  i think it's kde is the default. How can i check that, pls?
[20:12] <ardchoille> sat_: is "offer shutdown options" checked in your session manager? system settings > Advanced > Session Manager
[20:12] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: ah thanks.. thats what I was thinking of. I forgot where it was though ;)
[20:12] <benpicco> nosrednaekim: there is no such option avaliable as there is only one real virtual desktop, the other ones are managed by compiz
[20:12] <ardchoille> nosrednaekim: yw
[20:13] <nosrednaekim> benpicco: yeah, I think what you need to do is set the #of desktops in compiz to 4(or whatever # you have)
[20:14] <sat_> ardchoille:  how can i go to system seetings. i'm trying to find that.
[20:14] <jussi01> sat_: bottom of the kmenu
[20:14] <jussi01> or top..
[20:14] <nosrednaekim> im not talking about horizontal desktop size, I'm talking about the setting for # of desktops that in the same tab in the dialog
[20:15] <ardchoille> sat_: I'm not sure where it is in the menus, but you can alt+f2 and ype in systemsettings
[20:15] <ardchoille> *type
[20:15] <benpicco> nosrednaekim: than 1 get Nr.*Nr_Horz
[20:15] <benpicco> I
[20:15] <nosrednaekim> what>
[20:16] <benpicco> the total amout of desktops
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> what happens?
[20:17] <benpicco> i have 3 horozontal desktops as a prism, iif i set the total size to , i get 9
[20:17] <benpicco> to 3
[20:17] <sat_> ardchoille: i checked. "offer shutdown option" is checked.
[20:18] <ardchoille> sat_: Ok, now you should have more options when you log out
[20:19] <nosrednaekim> benpicco: oh.... so what if you set horizontal to 1 and total to 3?
[20:20] <benpicco> nosrednaekim: than the desktops don't act as a prism anymore, if i switch between them, all windows are like minimized on the current and faded in on the other desktop
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> oh
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> benpicco: I have no idea... it worked on my system
[20:21] <jussi01> benpicco: try #compiz-fusion
[20:21] <benpicco> ok
[20:21] <sat_> ardchoille:    it was already cheked. so, i don't difference - still shutdown is missing.
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[20:25] <josei> hola hola
[20:25] <josei> que tal
[20:25] <jussi01> !es | josei
[20:25] <ubotu> josei: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:30] <erkan_> selam
[20:32] <romunov> great, title bars disappeared again
[20:32] <romunov> damn it, compiz
[20:32] <nosrednaekim> romunov: alt+f2 "kwin --replace"
[20:33] <ArtVandelay300> hello everyone
[20:33] <nosrednaekim> hello ArtVandelay300
[20:34] <ArtVandelay300> im usre this happens all the time but i was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to help me with a small issue
[20:34] <nosrednaekim> ArtVandelay300: ask away.
[20:34] <ArtVandelay300> related to dmraid and my ntfs drive
[20:34] <nosrednaekim> the more common it is, the easier :D
[20:34] <ArtVandelay300> hahah i bet
[20:34] <nosrednaekim> oh... I don't do raid....
[20:34]  * nosrednaekim believes in hardware raid.
[20:35] <nosrednaekim> :D
[20:35] <ArtVandelay300> i know i wish i had the money for it
[20:35] <nosrednaekim> yeah well, ask anyway, someone else might know
[20:35] <ArtVandelay300> i can see the array using dmraid  -r
[20:36] <ArtVandelay300> i go into disk & file systems and try to mount/enable and i get an error
[20:36] <ArtVandelay300> The system reported: $MFT has invalid magic.
[20:36] <ArtVandelay300> theres more but i dont want to spam the channel
[20:37] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin | ArtVandelay300
[20:37] <ubotu> ArtVandelay300: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:37] <ArtVandelay300> wow thanks
[20:39] <ArtVandelay300> An error occurred while loading http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org:
[20:39] <ArtVandelay300> :(
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> ArtVandelay300: and if noone can help you here ( holidays is making some people scarce) you can always post on the ubuntu forums
[20:40] <ArtVandelay300> yeah ill do that
[20:41] <jussi01> ArtVandelay300: it works fine here - maybe remove the trailing : ??
[20:41] <ArtVandelay300> i enjoy chat as it can be a little more personal.  I found forum topic like my issue but all of them have deal with actually installing on the raid...i just need to get access to the array as a storage drive.  Kubuntu is already installed on my ide drive just fine
[20:41] <jussi01> !raid | ArtVandelay300
[20:41] <ubotu> ArtVandelay300: Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[20:44] <numpy> hola people
[20:45] <jussi01> !es | numpy
[20:45] <ubotu> numpy: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:45] <ArtVandelay300> anyone know how to get audio over hdmi?
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> !hdmi
[20:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hdmi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:47] <nosrednaekim> !spdif
[20:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spdif - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:47] <benpicco> i don't know if the latest fglrx driver supports it
[20:47] <ArtVandelay300> yeah thats what i was thinking
[20:47] <jussi01> ArtVandelay300: are you talking about adding a audio track to a hdmi moviie?
[20:47] <ArtVandelay300> nah
[20:47] <benpicco> is there such a device in alsamixer?
[20:48] <jussi01> benpicco: there is a program yes
[20:48] <jussi01> benpicco: just type that in terminal
[20:48] <pizzicato`> good evening
[20:48] <benpicco> hi pizzicato`
[20:49] <benpicco> jussi01: ?
[20:49] <pizzicato`> unable to save bookmarks in /home/pizzicato/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xmll Report error was : permession denied"
[20:49] <jussi01> pizzicato`: its a known bug
[20:49]  * nosrednaekim shudders
[20:49] <mgdm> Is http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php still the best way to install KDE4?
[20:49] <ArtVandelay300> ive decided that ubuntu hates my g chipset
[20:49] <pizzicato`> how can I fix?
[20:49] <jussi01> mdno
[20:49] <ArtVandelay300> ive decided that ubuntu hates my 690g chipset
[20:49] <jussi01> mgdm: no
[20:50] <jussi01> !kde4 | mgdm
[20:50] <ubotu> mgdm: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[20:50] <mgdm> jussi01: thanks very much
[20:50] <jussi01> :)
[20:50] <pizzicato`> jussi01: do u have idea how can I fix this bug?
[20:51] <jussi01> pizzicato`: just either remove the file (lose any bookmarks for dolphin) or change the file bact your owner ship
[20:51] <jussi01> Trevinho: hi
[20:51] <pizzicato`> ok thanks
[20:54] <jussi01> pizzicato`: it is caused by using the "open as root" button in dolphin
[20:54] <pizzicato`> ok thanks.. now I have another problem.. I can't do apt-get ... it find an error
[20:55] <jussi01> pizzicato`: what is the error?
[20:55] <pizzicato`> when I run sudo apt-get update linux says me "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.""
[20:56] <pizzicato`> solved
[20:56] <pizzicato`> :) thanks jussi01
[20:56] <jussi01> pizzicato`: so run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:56] <rysiek|pl|afk> hi guys
[20:57] <rysiek|pl|afk> I am trying to build kmobiletools, but those need an "rfcommsocketdevice.h" file - it ought to be in the "kdebluetooth-dev" package, but there is no such package
[20:58] <rysiek|pl|afk> I tried searching packages.ubuntu.com, no luck. found a launchpad entry about the package bein added, but... it hasn't, as it would seem. any ideas?
[20:58] <jussi01> !info kmobiletools
[20:58] <ubotu> kmobiletools: KDE application for controlling your mobile phone. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.3.3-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 128 kB, installed size 484 kB
[20:59] <jussi01> rysiek|pl|afk: its in the repos, why compile?
[20:59] <rysiek|pl|afk> jussi01: yeah, but 4.3.3 does not work (fully) with my nokia
[20:59] <daedalus__> !info kismet
[20:59] <ubotu> kismet: Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 2007-01-R1b-1.1 (gutsy), package size 950 kB, installed size 2452 kB
[20:59] <rysiek|pl|afk> jussi01: it seems it needs the gammu engine support, and that was added in 0.5.x series
[21:04] <al-mestar> pls i need codec video
[21:04] <rysiek|pl|afk> al-mestar: no. you need a video codec
[21:04] <rysiek|pl|afk> al-mestar: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:04] <rysiek|pl|afk> al-mestar: or google for mplayer codecs
[21:05] <bioman> mplayer codec: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html
[21:09] <al-mestar> thanks
[21:11] <t00na> hello
[21:11] <t00na> I just upgraded to Gutsy
[21:12] <t00na> I just wiped my HD, reinstalled with a Gutsy CD.
[21:12] <t00na> oh, there's my problem
[21:12] <t00na> this isn't Gutsy...
[21:12] <t00na> nevermind!
[21:12] <SSJ_GZ> that was easy
[21:12] <awag22> lol
[21:12] <awag22> that was semi funny
[21:13] <thomas> naaaaabend
[21:13] <t00na> oh, yeah it is.
[21:13] <awag22> lol
[21:13] <awag22> welcome back
[21:13] <thomas> ups...its english
[21:13] <rysiek|pl|afk> t00na: cat /etc/issue
[21:13] <t00na> 7.10
[21:13] <t00na> okay
[21:13] <thomas> is here someone from germany?
[21:13] <XBehave> thats gutsy
[21:13] <Hirvinen> !de | thomas
[21:13] <ubotu> thomas: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[21:14] <thomas> thanks
[21:14] <t00na> okay
[21:14] <rysiek|pl|afk> humm
[21:14] <rysiek|pl|afk> !pl
[21:14] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[21:14] <t00na> so I just installed.
[21:14] <t00na> Fresh install/
[21:14] <XBehave> and.....
[21:14] <t00na> Booted up, logged in fine. Then it was like, "Hey! there are restricted drivers! You can has!!!"
[21:14] <thomas> naabend
[21:15] <t00na> So I was like "Can has?" and it installed them for me.
[21:15] <t00na> rebooted 'cause it said to.
[21:16] <noppe> does ubuntu patch wine or package vanilla-wine?
[21:16] <t00na> Then it was like "Hey! You have a bunch of updates! Do you want?" so I went through the little updatey thingy in the tray icon, told it to install, then left for lunch.
[21:16] <t00na> Came back, and it said "Couldn't commit changes... breaking packages"
[21:16] <rysiek|pl|afk> noppe: wine, imho, why?
[21:16] <t00na> So I tried again, same thing.
[21:16] <t00na> Then it told me there was a distro upgrade available.
[21:17] <rysiek|pl|afk> t00na: known bug, unfortunately
[21:17] <t00na> SRSLY?
[21:17] <rysiek|pl|afk> t00na: in konsole: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[21:17] <rysiek|pl|afk> t00na: YRLY
[21:17] <t00na> O, KTHX
[21:18] <XBehave> noppe: wine have a ubuntu repo IIRC and i dont think ubuntu patch the 1 in our repos
[21:18] <rysiek|pl|afk> t00na: knopbai
[21:18] <t00na> OH NOES
[21:18] <rysiek|pl|afk> wurs meh buckit
[21:19] <t00na> $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[21:19] <jhutchins> !wine
[21:19] <t00na> ...
[21:19] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[21:19] <noppe> mmh, okay. and rysiek|pl|afk, because the application I'd like to use with wine on a different distro apparently runs fine on ubuntu, according to the wine's appdb .
[21:19] <t00na> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy-updates/multiverse Sources
[21:19] <t00na> Fetched 3B in 1s (2B/s)
[21:19] <t00na> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[21:19] <t00na> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[21:19] <t00na> E: Couldn't rebuild package cache
[21:19] <t00na> tuna@supertunacomp:~$
[21:19] <t00na> oh, duh!
[21:19] <rysiek|pl|afk> t00na: don't do that
[21:19] <rysiek|pl|afk> t00na: don't flood
[21:19] <rysiek|pl|afk> t00na: use a pastebin
[21:19] <jussi01> !paste | t00na
[21:19] <ubotu> t00na: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[21:20] <t00na> sorry, i thought it would be small enough that no one would mine...
[21:20] <jhutchins> t00na: 1) Close other programs/windows dealing with packages,
[21:20] <t00na> s/mine/mind/
[21:20] <jhutchins> !aptfix | t00na 2)
[21:20] <ubotu> t00na 2): If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[21:20] <t00na> jhutchins: yeah, i just noticed I still had the updatey thing open :P
[21:20] <jhutchins> t00na: That'll do it.
[21:21]  * t00na must wrap presents with mother, BRB if apt fails :)
[21:21] <padey> can anyone help me with kopete? damn msn doesn't seem to work :( it errors on me and crashes as soon as I log in :/ wtf? yahoo seems to work just fine
[21:21] <jussi01> padey: new install?
[21:21] <padey> yupp
[21:22] <jussi01> padey: its a known bug - it will go away once you update
[21:22] <padey> moved from suse to kubuntu yesterday
[21:22] <jussi01> :)
[21:22] <jhutchins> padey: There are other msn programs too.
[21:22] <jhutchins> padey: BTW please keep the language family friendly.
[21:22] <padey> yeah but don't want to use a whole program only for msn, it would be an honour :O
[21:23] <rysiek|pl|afk> rofl
[21:23] <mgdm> Hmm, I've got dependency problems here
[21:23] <jussi01> padey: hehe, well just do your updates and all is good :)
[21:23] <jussi01> mgdm: ?
[21:23] <padey> thanks :)
[21:24]  * rysiek|pl|afk has updates! w00t
[21:24] <t00na> okay, now something funny happened
[21:24] <mgdm> jussi01: I'm just pastebinning the output
[21:24] <t00na> paste coming, three lines...
[21:24] <t00na> Configuration file `/etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc'
[21:24] <t00na>  ==> File on system created by you or by a script.
[21:24] <t00na>  ==> File also in package provided by package maintaine
[21:24] <rysiek|pl|afk> t00na: Y
[21:24] <t00na> okay
[21:24] <rysiek|pl|afk> t00na: install new version
[21:25] <rysiek|pl|afk> seriously, guys, we *have* to get adept to be able to handle config diffs
[21:25] <t00na> it workey!
[21:25] <t00na> KTHXBAI
[21:26]  * jussi01 sighs...
[21:26] <rysiek|pl|afk> gosh, I would *love* to see that t00na got near a real true lolcat
[21:27] <jussi01> !away | rysiek|pl
[21:27] <ubotu> rysiek|pl: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[21:27] <rysiek|pl> jussi01: yeah, sorry about that
[21:27] <mgdm> jussi01: I try to install, and I get http://pastebin.ca/828988, then if I do apt-get -f install, I get http://pastebin.ca/828986
[21:27] <mgdm> (I uploaded them in reverse order, for some weird reason :)
[21:29] <jussi01> mgdm: you need to remove the old kde4 packages first iirc
[21:29] <mgdm> jussi01: Hmm, I wasn't aware that I had any installed, maybe I did and forgot
[21:29] <jussi01> mgdm: as the first line says: Remove previous KDE 4 packages, they are not compatible (apt-get remove kdelibs5 kde4base-data kde4libs-data)
[21:30] <padey> "kopete is already the newest version." :O still crashes
[21:31] <mgdm> jussi01: Ok, will do, but I haven't installed KDE4 before, to my knowledge
[21:31] <jussi01> padey: hmmm, got updates repo turned on?
[21:32] <padey> updates repo? :S
[21:33] <rysiek|pl> padey: paste on a pastebin what you get from: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:33] <jussi01> padey: go to adept - manage repositories - check its on there - also try fetch updates button in adept
[21:36] <ax1s> kopete is not letting me specify webcam port
[21:36] <ax1s> even if i change it for my account, it still wants to use 68xx
[21:38] <padey> jussi01: I turned all of the repo's on, still nothing :P
[21:38] <jhutchins> !info kopete
[21:38] <padey> what is the latest version of kopete?
[21:38] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 7140 kB, installed size 19708 kB
[21:39] <ax1s> how do i check which version is with feisty
[21:39] <ax1s> it seems this bug only happnes after upgrading to gutsy
[21:39] <Dragnslcr> Version of Kopete in the repository is 0.12.7
[21:39] <jussi01> !info kopete feisty
[21:39] <padey> that is what I have
[21:40] <assilva> corpKing> !es
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[21:40] <assilva> * vicpaolo saiu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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[21:40] <ax1s> padey: are yu having issues?
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[21:40] <assilva> * Tópico para #kubuntu colocado por jussi01 a Mon Dec 17 19:48:04 2007
[21:40] <hydrogen> ..
[21:40] <assilva> * murchadh` (n=user@ptr-65-249.btm.cpe.ip.airwire.ie) entrou em #kubuntu
 how do i check which version is with feisty
[21:40] <assilva> * vit___ (n=vit@201.210.235.220) entrou em #kubuntu
 it seems this bug only happnes after upgrading to gutsy
[21:40] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu9 (feisty), package size 7108 kB, installed size 19632 kB
[21:40] <assilva> * Janko_25 saiu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[21:40] <padey> yeah, msn doesn't work at all
[21:41] <ax1s> hrm 4.3.5.8 vs 4.3.5.6
[21:41] <jussi01> padey: its not kopete that needs updating - its one of the other packages - make sure your system is fully updated and it will work!
[21:42] <ax1s> padey: installed libjasper-runtime ?
[21:42] <assilva> jussi01, vai se fusder filha da puta
[21:42] <jussi01> !en | assilva
[21:42] <ubotu> assilva: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[21:43] <mgdm> jussi01: works now, ta
[21:43] <assilva> jussi01, fodasse
[21:43] <rysiek|pl> !es | assilva
[21:43] <ubotu> assilva: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[21:43] <jussi01> mgdm: :)
[21:43] <padey> installed it, didn't help :(
[21:43] <ax1s> nobody else has tried changing default webcam port with gutsy?
[21:44] <padey> yeah, I updated a couple of times now
[21:44] <jussi01> padey: is your system completely up to date?
[21:44] <ax1s> padey: run it from the console kopete --nofork
[21:44] <ax1s> padey: and see what it says when it quits
[21:44] <jussi01> padey I had the issue myself
[21:45] <ax1s> hw can i force the old version of kopete to install?
[21:45] <ax1s> older*
[21:45] <padey> kopete: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:
[21:45] <padey> klauncher said: Unknown protocol ''
[21:46] <ax1s> wacky
[21:46] <ax1s> and your sources.list have repos enabled, not just cdrm?
[21:47] <padey> yupp
[21:47] <jussi01> padey: got to adept - file - manage repositories - third tab (updates) make sure first 2 boxes are clicked
[21:48] <ax1s> i dunno man.. gutsy has broken just about evernthing for me
[21:48] <XBehave> how do i find out the ip of a computer on a local network?
[21:48] <XBehave> i can see its samba share in dolphin
[21:48] <padey> yupp, all of them are already ticked
[21:49] <jussi01> padey: ok, try updating from the terminal - sudo apt-get update
[21:49] <ax1s> XBehave: ifconfig in terminal
[21:49] <padey> done that to :D
[21:50] <jussi01> padey: do you now have the little package box on the taskbar?
[21:50] <jussi01> orange one
[21:50] <Dragnslcr> XBehave- you could try just pinging it
[21:51] <XBehave> Dragnslcr: pinging what? the name?
[21:51] <Dragnslcr> XBehave- yeah
[21:51] <benpicco_> hi, how to find out what caused a kernel panic?
[21:51] <padey> I only have kwallet that almost looks like a package :/ nothing else, except soundmixer
[21:52] <ax1s> 0.12.4 vs 0.12.7
[21:52] <rysiek|pl> padey: in konsole: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[21:53] <ax1s> how do i revert to the older version of kopete
[21:53] <XBehave> didnt work but thanks
[21:53] <jussi01> ax1s: grab the old deb, then sudo dpkg -i olddeb.deb
[21:55] <padey> hehe, that totally did stuff but still didn't help
[21:55] <ax1s> jussi01:  thx ..
[21:55] <jussi01> padey: you may need to log out and in / restart for it to take... I think it was one of the kio packages
[21:56] <padey> thanks, I'll do that :)
[21:57] <ax1s> how do i force the package not to upgrade
[21:57] <jussi01> ax1s: man apt-get
[21:58] <jussi01> ax1s: there is info in there abbout it
[21:59] <jussi01> !pin | ax1s
[21:59] <ubotu> ax1s: pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[21:59] <Olof[M]> Hello. I have a problem. Kubuntu isn't installing updates correctly (which has led me to other problems)
[22:00] <jussi01> Olof[M]: what exactly does it tell you?
[22:00] <ax1s> pinning.. thx g
[22:00] <Olof[M]> it tells me the latest update is installed, but they're all outdated
[22:00] <ax1s> gonna see if the old version lets me change ports, before installing feisty again and checking that
[22:00] <ax1s> thx jussi
[22:00] <jussi01> Olof[M]: outdated? what do you mean?
[22:01] <Olof[M]> jussi01: I think it's called Package handler or similar?
[22:01] <jussi01> Olof[M]: adept?
[22:01] <Olof[M]> anyways, it tells me the latest update is installed
[22:02] <Olof[M]> amarok for an example
[22:02] <Olof[M]> It's at 1.4.3, even though 1.4.8 just was released.
[22:02] <jussi01> !info amarok
[22:02] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.7-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 9618 kB, installed size 31020 kB
[22:02] <jussi01> !info amarok feisty
[22:02] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.5-0ubuntu7 (feisty), package size 14853 kB, installed size 33992 kB
[22:03] <jussi01> Olof[M]: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[22:03] <Olof[M]> I am not sure, how can I see that?
[22:03] <jussi01> !version
[22:03] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[22:03] <Olof[M]> (it's not  my computer. but I'm forced to use it as for now)
[22:04] <Olof[M]> konsole said: No LSB modules are available.
[22:04] <jussi01> Olof[M]: ok, give me: uname -a
[22:04] <Olof[M]> Linux Gammal 2.6.17-12-generic #2 SMP Mon Jul 16 19:37:58 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:06] <Olof[M]> does that mean it hasn't been updated since july 16th?
[22:06] <jussi01> Olof[M]: that seems to be an older version of ubuntu
[22:06] <Olof[M]> older than what?
[22:06] <jussi01> Olof[M]: mine is: Linux jussi 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Dec 18 08:02:57 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:07] <jussi01> !gutsy | Olof[M]
[22:07] <ubotu> Olof[M]: Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Gutsy:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - New Features: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710tour - Please use bittorrent to download if possible, see !torrents
[22:07] <Olof[M]> jussi01: installing this. does it mean I have to format? do I have to burn a boot-cd?
[22:07] <blekos> hi, i'd like an explanation on the following matter. I messed up me pc. I reinstalled Kubuntu [only the root, the home remained intact]. Then I copied from my external HD an old back to my pc. Finally I installed the backup on my pc (that is I tried to do a full restore from the linux on the linux)
[22:08] <jussi01> !upgrade | Olof[M]
[22:08] <Olof[M]> I'm not used to using linux at all.
[22:08] <ubotu> Olof[M]: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[22:08] <Hirvinen> Sounds like edgy. 2.6.17-12 I mean.
[22:08] <blekos> why dont I see any changes? Should the back up be on a different partition/ hd than the one doing restore?
[22:08] <jussi01> Hirvinen: yeah, I ws thinking that also
[22:08] <jussi01> !info amarok edgy
[22:08] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu10 (edgy), package size 14370 kB, installed size 31288 kB
[22:08] <jussi01> yep, edgy
[22:09] <Hirvinen> It' the same as on my edgy box.
[22:09] <jussi01> Olof[M]: you need to upgrade through the versions one at a time, or back up and install all over again.
[22:10] <Olof[M]> jussi01: ok, but since I can't see what LSB I'm using, should I install from the first? 4.** whatever?
[22:10] <Olof[M]> LTS, not lbs.
[22:10] <jussi01> Olof[M]: no - you are on edgy
[22:10] <Olof[M]> ok
[22:10] <whodat> say I've downloaded kdelirc and mythbuntu-lirc-generator via adept manager.  How would i go about running on of these programs if they don't appear in my application menu?
[22:10] <jussi01> Olof[M]: I would recommend a clean install of gutsy if backing up is not a problem.
[22:11] <Olof[M]> backing up is a problem :(
[22:11] <jussi01> !install | Olof[M]
[22:11] <ubotu> Olof[M]: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[22:11] <Olof[M]> no external devices, only broken harddrives.
[22:11] <whodat> I'm missing a fundamental concept on how to run programs that don't add themselves to application menus
[22:11] <jussi01> Olof[M]: oh, ouch. well I dont recommend doing much with out backing up first
[22:12] <Olof[M]> :/
[22:12] <whodat> and don't "tell noobs" what commands to use inside a terminal
[22:12] <jussi01> Olof[M]: try turning on backports repository - it has some newer versions of programs
[22:12] <Olof[M]> !backports
[22:12] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[22:12] <Olof[M]> ok
[22:13] <jussi01> Olof[M]: in the package manager , go to the menu and choose manage repositories, then go to the updates tab and make sure they are all ticked
[22:13] <steff> Hello, somebody knows how to run a script automatically when coming out from hibernation?
[22:14] <blekos> could someone inform me if it is neccessary the file to restore a back up should be on a different partition than the one making the restore to?
[22:14] <jhutchins> !vmware
[22:14] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[22:15] <jussi01> ok, IM off to bed. night all!
[22:15] <jhutchins> blekos: No.
[22:15] <Olof[M]> I can't find any tabs in "manage repositories"
[22:15] <blekos> thnx
[22:16] <jhutchins> blekos: Simplest example is config files, you copy the file to config.bak, make a change, decide you don't like it, copy config.bak back to config.
[22:16] <nando> alguien habla español
[22:16] <jhutchins> !es blekos
[22:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about es blekos - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:16] <jhutchins> !es | blekos
[22:16] <ubotu> blekos: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[22:17] <blekos> well I had made a backup with simple backup but when I did a restore from terminal didnt see my old progrs etc
[22:17] <jhutchins> !easysources | Olof[M] See if this helps
[22:17] <ubotu> Olof[M] See if this helps: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[22:18] <Olof[M]> you've lost me though. am I still supposed to install the latest updates? (edgy to feisty to gutsy)
[22:18] <Olof[M]> or will that help me in some other way?
[22:19] <al-mestar> pls audio codec
[22:23] <romunov> al-mestar: to play mp3s or...?
[22:23] <al-mestar> yes
[22:24] <jpatrick> !mp3 | al-mestar
[22:24] <ubotu> al-mestar: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[22:24] <jamster545> hello
[22:25] <jamster545> hello?
[22:26] <jpatrick> hi jamster545
[22:26] <jamster545> i just pgraded to gutsy and now GRUB shows 3 different ubuntu selections
[22:26] <jamster545> upgraded*
[22:27] <jpatrick> probably just different kernels
[22:28] <jamster545> yes but i am not quite sure which one to use. i had two before because i used the wrong button in adept and it gave me both of them as 7.04, but now all are 7.10 with different numbers after the version
[22:28] <romunov> jpatrick: thanks for the help with the mp3 issue :>
[22:28] <romunov> i was away
[22:29] <jpatrick> jamster545: the top one should be just fine
[22:29] <jpatrick> romunov: no problem
[22:30] <jamster545> jpatrick: i think one has 7.10.xx-12 one is 7.10.xx-16 and another is 7.10.xx-15 note the xx is the number ithat i dont remember
[22:30] <romunov> jamster545: search the ubuntu package manager?
[22:30] <jamster545> romunov: i have it installed already
[22:31] <jamster545> i just have 3 of them showing up in GRUB
[22:32] <romunov> ai, sorry, i'm not following 100% - ok then :)
[22:32] <jamster545> np
[22:33] <jpatrick> jamster545: the one I have is Ubuntu 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic
[22:33] <jpatrick> jamster545: make sure it's a linux-image package you've installed
[22:34] <jamster545> ok. should i use the one with the highest (7.10.xx-16) then?
[22:35] <jamster545> jpatrick: is that ok? and then i know there is a way, i cant remember how, to edit the GRUB menu and remove the others
[22:35] <jpatrick> jamster545: removing their packages
[22:35] <jpatrick> jamster545: I have a linux-image_2.6.22.14.21
[22:36] <jamster545> isnt their also a file i can open in Kate and kill it? jpatrick
[22:36] <jamster545> oops
[22:36] <messiah> hi, hello
[22:36] <artie> moin moin
[22:36] <jamster545> i meant remove the name from the list
[22:36] <messiah> can i use Skype at Kubuntun? i don't find anything at the PAcket manager
[22:37] <jamster545> messiah: try installing WINE anduse it to run Skype
[22:37] <artie> can I hide the programs in the menu but dont remove them?
[22:37] <jpatrick> messiah: just install the deb on their site
[22:37] <jpatrick> jamster545: kdesudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:37] <messiah> !es
[22:37] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[22:37] <jamster545> tyvm
[22:38] <jamster545> brb while i try this
[22:38] <artie> can I hide the programms in the start menu but dont remove them?
[22:38] <jthom> Hi. glxconfig tells me "direct rending: No". Any ideas on how to make it say "Yes"? Kubuntu 7.10, using nvidia driver, installed via adept, not Envy.
[22:38] <gauss_> Does anyone here know how to use k3b to burn an audio CD so that there are no delays between tracks?
[22:38] <artie> can someone help me?
[22:39] <jthom> Oh, and not using compiz (not even installed)
[22:40] <jamster545> jpatrick: what is that paste thingy on the Ubuntu site so i can show you my menu.lst file?
[22:41] <romunov> artie: at the first glance, i can't find any option that would suit your need, sorry
[22:42] <jpatrick> !paste | jamster545
[22:42] <ubotu> jamster545: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:42] <jamster545> ty ubotu
[22:44] <jamster545> jpatrick: please tell me which one to keep. the pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49362/
[22:44] <jpatrick> jamster545: depends, what does 'uname -r' give
[22:45] <jpatrick> jamster545: that's the one you're using right now
[22:45] <jamster545> ummm i dont know. i think the one at the top of the menu.lst which i pasted for you (as a .txt file) is the right one but please look
[22:45] <jamster545> no it isnt
[22:45] <jamster545> i used the middle one
[22:46] <jamster545> i believe it is the one you said you used
[22:47] <jamster545> jpatrick: thanks for the help, i think i am using a slightly older kernel. 2.60.20-16 is the one i am using
[22:47] <jpatrick> jamster545: looks like it
[22:47] <jamster545> i will boot te 2.60.22-14 like you are using
[22:48] <jamster545> i have it
[22:54] <tolecnal> Hello there. I was wondering what package i kubuntu 7.10 was used for the the on screen gui for the multimedia buttons on my laptop/keyboard by default? I thought it might be lineak(d), but that isn't even installed. Thanks in advance
[22:56] <jthom> tolecnal: I haven't used linEAK but I do see it in the list of available software in Adept Manager.  Have you tried installing it?
[22:56] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: I use keytouch
[22:57] <artie> Can I hide the buttonsin the Apllication Menu?
[22:57] <sp1nn> I neeed help installing compiz fusion on my kubuntu can anyone help me?
[22:57] <tolecnal> jthom: the thing is, the special keys on keyboard works perfectly out of the box. I was just curious what package is used to intercept the keypresses. I used lineakd and klineakconfig under debian for the same purpose, but I see that this isn't used here
[22:57] <Linux_Galore> !ompiz
[22:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ompiz - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:58] <Linux_Galore> !compiz
[22:58] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:58] <artie> Can I hide the buttons in the Apllication Menu?
[22:58] <alesan> hi, do you have an idea how can I access a microsoft VPN??
[22:58] <alesan> so that I can join the network in the office.
[22:58] <artie> Can I hide the buttons in the Apllication Menu?
[22:58] <Linux_Galore> I would wait for Hardie and KDE 4's release before stuffing around with compiz
[22:58] <jthom> tolecnal: okay, I'm clueless then, I'll duck and let someone else have a go
[22:58] <artie> Can I hide the buttons in the Apllication Menu?
[22:58] <tolecnal> jthom: thanks anyway :)
[22:59] <sp1nn> thx
[22:59] <artie> Can I hide the buttons in the Apllication Menu?
[22:59] <tolecnal> artie: there is no need to endlessly repeat your question. if someone knows, they'll tell you
[23:00] <artie> Okay, thx
[23:00] <Linux_Galore> artie: what application menu
[23:00] <artie> the start menu
[23:02] <artie> k-menu
[23:02] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: hmmm, it's not keytouch either. it's something that installed by default in 7.10 that takes care of the multimedia buttons on this keyboard, and I'm curious as to which program it is. Not being keytocuh, nor lineak
[23:02] <Linux_Galore> artie: mouse over to the far left of the start menu then right click -> menu editor
[23:02] <artie> yes but then i just can remove them not hide
[23:02] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: that would be HAL
[23:03] <sp1nn> I have A problem wwhen i type this in ko sole sudo apt-get update it asks me for the password but it doesnt let me write it!!
[23:03] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: its just using defaults
[23:03] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: HAL does the GUI stuff too? *scratches his head*
[23:03] <sp1nn> I have A problem wwhen i type this in ko sole sudo apt-get update it asks me for the password but it doesnt let me write it!!
[23:03] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: no kde has all that built in
[23:04] <sp1nn> Linux_Galore: Do you know howw to solve it?
[23:04] <artie> galore... If i do this, i only can remove the entries, not hide.
[23:05] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: you can tamper with the settings in kcontrol  look in the Region and Accessibility section
[23:05] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: cause my real problem is this; as I said, it works. but whenever I use headphones, the volume isn't being adjusted seeing it uses the master volume instead of adjusting the PCM volume. I'd like to change that, but couldn't figure out where the settings where or what program controlled it
[23:06] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: kmix is for audio
[23:06] <sp1nn> I have A problem wwhen i type this in ko sole sudo apt-get update it asks me for the password but it doesnt let me write it!!
[23:07]  * jessy_james ciao a tutti
[23:07] <sp1nn> I have A problem when i type this in konsole "sudo apt-get update" it asks me for the password but it doesnt let me write it or paste it!!!!
[23:07] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: you should have the kmix icon in your system tray, works the same as the one in windows
[23:07] <sp1nn> any1
[23:07] <sp1nn> ¿
[23:07] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: yes, that I know. But seeing as I have special keys for adjusting this without opening a mixer window, it would be nice to have KDE adjust the PCM volume instead of the master volume. hence the reason I'm looking for the settings for the keys :)
[23:07] <noaXess> !ntfs
[23:07] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[23:08] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: media keys are not part of the audio setup,  I use keytouch to manage that
[23:10] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: I remember you saying that, but again, seeing as KDE apparently handles this itself out of the box, just not the way I want it when I have headphones connected, it would be nice to fix this by the appropiate settings. Sorry for being a real nit picker
[23:10] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: kde doesnt thats the problem
[23:10] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: its just using defaults
[23:11] <Linux_Galore> thats why you use keytouch that allows you to redefine the media keys
[23:11] <khelll> how shall i know if my laptop bluetooth is working?
[23:12] <Linux_Galore> !keytouch
[23:13] <ubotu> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[23:14] <ronnie_> hi all, any know where I can find a default install for (Snack) a program needed by (amsn), ?
[23:14] <tolecnal> hmmm, keytouch also adjusts the _master_ volume instead of the PCM volume.. i'm just as far :/
[23:14] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: anyway, thanks for your time and effort
[23:15] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: you can define what keytouch adjusts in it config file
[23:16] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: I'll just write two small bash scripts, that uses amixer and adjust the PCM volume instead of the master volume and have keytouch trigger those scripts respectivly on the key presses
[23:17] <markit_2> hi, I've installed flashplugin-nonfree, but if I visit youtube site with firefox, it complains that the plugin has not been installed... any idea?
[23:17] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: or use dcop ie dcop kmix Mixer0
[23:18] <markit_2> (btw, firefox 3.0beta1)
[23:18] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: dcop allows you command line access the kde apps
[23:18] <tolecnal> markit_2: the plugin version used when writing the installer script has changed after release, thus the MD5 checksum fails. you need to install it manually
[23:18] <Linux_Galore> s/the/to/
[23:19] <markit_2> fabolous :( any howto about it?
[23:19] <tolecnal> markit_2: wget http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[23:19] <tolecnal> markit_2: tar zxf install_flash_player_9_linux
[23:19] <markit_2> btw, I've kubuntu 8.04 and doing with aptitude install shows no error in the console
[23:19] <tolecnal> markit_2: cd install_flash_player_9
[23:20] <tolecnal> markit_2: sudo ./flashplayer_installer
[23:20] <tolecnal> markit_2: answer the questions, and done :)
[23:21] <markit_2> tolecnal: thanks a lot
[23:22] <tolecnal> the lib location btw is /usr/lib/firefox, not /usr/lib/mozilla
[23:22] <ronnie_> any here use amsn?, for kubuntu 7.10, is the Snack program needed in the software choices?
[23:22] <Linux_Galore> ronnie_: why dont you just use pidgin/gaim
[23:23] <ronnie_> I couldnt find a web cam option on it
[23:23] <Linux_Galore> lol @ webcams
[23:24] <markit_2> tolecnal: I've 3 furefox dir, lol.. firefox, furefix-3-0-3 and firefox-plugin... maybe the latter is better
[23:24] <Linux_Galore> I wonder if skype has the webcam stuff working yet
[23:24] <khelll> how shall i know if my laptop bluetooth is working?
[23:25] <markit_2> sorry, firefox-addon, so is wrong
[23:29] <tolecnal> hmmm, even when I define a custom keyboard with keytouch, KDE still takes priority
[23:29] <batis610> i intalled apache2, libapache2-mod-php5, mysql-server, and when i try to open a file with an index.php firefox asks to download....what's wrong?
[23:30] <ardchoille> batis610: Did you start the apache server?
[23:30] <ardchoille> !lamp
[23:30] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[23:31] <Thingus> So, I need a mencoder script that will convert all of my videos to standard Xvid/MP3 600xVAR, variable bitrate, NTSC.
[23:31] <Thingus> That way I can back everything up and it will work.
[23:31] <tolecnal> argh!
[23:33] <jamster545> hello
[23:34]  * jamster545 needs help saving and then exiting a file being edited in NANO through Konsole
[23:35] <Linux_Galore> Linux Apache MySQL Perl/PHP/Python
[23:35] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: I found an option under keytouch that makes it use PCM, but even applying that didn't work :/
[23:35] <batis610> ardchoille: yes
[23:35] <ardchoille> batis610: Restart firefox and try again
[23:35] <voonte> I just finished installing Kubuntu (Hardy) and it works great so far.
[23:36] <jamster545> helpz me
[23:36] <voonte> I have one question. Is the recommended way to install KDE4 (latest trunk) in Kubuntu as written on http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Kubuntu_and_Debian ?
[23:36]  * jamster545 needs to know how to save and exit a file he is editing in NANO through Konsole
[23:37] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: Im looking at dcop for kmix and there is no PCM option
[23:37] <batis610> ardchoille: no change
[23:37] <voonte> jamster545: Ctrl+X ?
[23:37] <jamster545> OH!
[23:37] <jamster545> voonte: TYVFM!!!!!
[23:38] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: type dcop kmix Mixer0  then hit [TAB] and you will see what I mean
[23:38] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: I'm thinking about keytouch, under preferences; you have an option there to change the mixer channel it's supposed to change/alter
[23:38] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: keytouch is just a front end to dcop really
[23:39] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: and yes, I can see that PCM isn't listed there.
[23:39] <ardchoille> batis610: There are testing and troubleshooting instructions at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[23:41] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: but what really puzzles me, is the fact that when I specify keytouch to run a manual command, in this case; 'amixer -c 0 set PCM 2dB-' it doesn't even run when the key is pressed
[23:41] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: and this is on a keybourd which has manually been edited using 'keytouch-editor'
[23:42] <tung> Anyone know how to view flash in opera?
[23:42] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: you would believe that the command would be run, but it isn't
[23:42] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: and yes, the command has been tested manually from a console and has been found working
[23:42] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: seems like KDE still takes care of the buttons, and disregards keytouch
[23:42] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: and yes, keytouchd is running :)
[23:44] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: make sure keytouchd is running
[23:44] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: keytouch uses a daemon to capture the input
[23:44] <tolecnal> Linux_Galore: as I said, I made sure it was running :)
[23:45] <pros922> Question: For some reason I was banned from #ubuntu. Any way to find out why?
[23:46] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: I found you can use kcontrol to initiate dcop command via the keyboard, ie Regional & Access -> Input Actions
[23:47] <intelikey> pros922 /info channel  ?
[23:47] <intelikey> oh sorry.  may only work for staff
[23:47] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: use different keys to adjust the PCM setting
[23:48] <pros922> ty
[23:48] <intelikey> pros922 /j #ubuntu-opps  and ask ?
[23:48] <pros922> ty
[23:48] <Linux_Galore> tolecnal: ie ctrl Volume +   etc
[23:54] <LimCore>  how to pimp up my amd64/nvidia ubuntu 64bit with beryl/etc?
[23:55] <sourcemaker> !beryl
[23:55] <ubotu> Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[23:56] <ardchoille> !comiz
[23:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about comiz - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:56] <ardchoille> Maybe I should have done !spell_checker, lol
[23:56] <ardchoille> !compiz
[23:56] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:59] <sourcemaker> ardchoille: is it a good idea... to change the value vm.swappiness=20 to vm.swappiness=5 in /etc/sysctl.conf? Have a read... that this will increase the performance of kubuntu?