[00:00] <Pici> You're about 4 months eary.
[00:01] <telexicon> the alpha 2 release...
[00:02] <Pici> oh
[00:03] <telexicon> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-2/
[00:03] <telexicon> its up
[00:04] <DarkMageZ> it's not ready... it lacks the latest fglrx & nvidia drivers :(
[00:05] <DanaG> Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/100-legacy-subpixel.conf", line 5: invalid constant used : legacy
[00:06] <DanaG> gaack, does that mean I won't be able to use the legacy LCD filter?
[01:21] <tim> Hi how do i install nvidia driver for Kubuntu in 8.04 ??
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> tim: There is a few different ways how you could - some more effort than others
[01:26] <tim> what is the easiest way?
[01:27] <tim> how do i do it?
[01:29] <tim> ??
[01:31] <h3sp4wn> No interest in that way - use the nvidia.com installer same as it always is
[01:34] <tim> What driver i download for geforce fx5700le driver ?
[01:36] <tim> How do i install package NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.07-pkg1.run ?
[01:38] <void^> (why are you running 8.04?)
[01:44] <tim> You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before
[01:44] <tim>          installing.  For further details, please see the section INSTALLING
[01:44] <tim>          THE NVIDIA DRIVER in the README available on the Linux driver
[01:44] <tim>          download page at www.nvidia.com.
[01:59] <tim> Do u guys have the some problems installing nvidia driver In kubuntu as me??
[01:59] <tim> Do u guys have the some problems installing nvidia driver In kubuntu 8.04 as me??
[02:05] <Hobbsee> tim: you don't want to run hardy
[02:29] <tim> why ?
[02:34] <tim> any one here?
[02:40] <tim> any livign ppl here?
[02:40] <DanaG> Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/100-legacy-subpixel.conf", line 5: invalid constant used : legacy
[02:43] <bigdog> congratulations to the team for releasing alpha2
[02:43] <bigdog> thank you for your efforts
[02:44] <bigdog> especially in the holiday season
[02:45] <tim> ae u real ?
[02:46] <DanaG> Gaack, that fontconfig thing is a big regression.  Now my fonts look all cleartype-ey.
[02:46] <DanaG> oh wait, I was looking at Firefox.  Firefox has always looked crappy.
[02:46] <tim> So how do i install nvidia driver in alpha 2?
[02:47] <tim> eh ?
[02:48] <telexicon> you dont
[02:48] <telexicon> its impossible
[02:49] <tim> or is it?
[02:49] <tim> what about this article ??? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=945&num=1
[02:51] <tim> How what do u say about that ??!!
[02:52] <tim> u giveu p now?
[02:52] <tim> u afk ?
[02:53] <telexicon> yeh
[02:53] <telexicon> i give up
[02:53] <bderrly> yay
[02:53] <bderrly> he left
[02:53] <telexicon> xD
[02:53] <DanaG> Anyway, nvidia on 2.6.24 IS possible..... it's just a really hideous hack.
[02:54] <DanaG> You have to edit the nvidia source files to #undef CONFIG_PARAVIRT_OPS (I think it is) before the imports.
[02:54]  * telexicon hopes nouveau will come out with something usable soon
[02:59] <bderrly> what was changed in the kernel that makes the nvidia driver such a pain?
[03:00] <telexicon> is madwifi working in this kernel? I wasnt able to compile it myself for .24 a few weeks ago
[03:43] <tim> Hi how do I upgrade kernel to 2.6.24 in stable ubuntu ?
[03:43] <hydrogen> you don't/.
[03:45] <tim> plz tell me how do i do it?
[03:47] <tim> plz tell me how do i do it?
[03:47] <IdleOne> do what?
[03:48] <tim> Hi how do I upgrade kernel to 2.6.24 in stable ubunt
[03:49] <IdleOne> download the deb and install it I guess
[03:49] <tim> plz help me to find it
[03:51] <IdleOne> look here packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/newpkg_main
[03:52] <hydrogen> err
[03:52] <hydrogen> thats very likely
[03:52] <hydrogen> to cause a horribly broken system
[03:57] <IdleOne> tim: you can try installing that kernel but if you are installing it on a previous version of ubuntu you probably will break your system bad like hydrogen said
[04:12] <IdleOne> !info webfs
[04:13] <ubotu> webfs: lightweight http server for static content. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.21-5 (hardy), package size 45 kB, installed size 164 kB
[05:25]  * BaD-Laptop looks at the topic and tries to find the "discussion" in here...
[06:21] <DanaG> gaack, why does Firefox's font rendering suck so badly?
[06:22] <DanaG> And why is the 'legacy' LCD filter no longer working?
[06:35] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/159434
[06:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 159434 in libcairo "Unable to set legacy subpixel rendering" [Undecided,Invalid]
[08:44] <assasukasse> hi everyone
[08:44] <assasukasse> i noticed that sl modem source doesn't compile
[08:44] <assasukasse> either using the gutsy or the hardy version
[08:45] <assasukasse> i also read there are a few miles long bugs from tribe 2...
[08:45] <assasukasse> seems that the package maintainer is not caring at all
[08:45] <assasukasse> would you please remove him from his task and put someone else?^
[08:45] <assasukasse> he might be busy at the moment with other things.
[08:46] <assasukasse> i consider MUCH more important to be able to connect by modem in emergencies than to have all those bullshit of moving jello compiz winodws..
[08:46] <assasukasse> i think is needed to really think what is important and what is superfluos
[09:00] <DarkMageZ> assasukasse, which package?
[09:01] <assasukasse> sl-modem-source
[09:06] <stdin> assasukasse: what makes you think it won't compile?
[09:06] <assasukasse> itsimply doesnt
[09:06] <DarkMageZ> any particular error output?
[09:07] <assasukasse> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sl-modem/+bug/103072/+viewstatus
[09:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103072 in sl-modem "[Feisty & Gutsy Tribe] sl-modem module doesn't compile" [Medium,Confirmed]
[09:08] <assasukasse> this one the same exactly
[09:11] <DarkMageZ> you poor linmodem users... even worse you poor dial-up users... i don't think any of the ubuntu dev's particularly care about dial-up. feel free to write a patch tho.
[09:39] <sigma_> will hardy support creative 5.1 soundcards?
[15:26] <vincenz> I am having issues upgrading from feisty to gutsy
[15:27] <Hobbsee> vincenz: and trouble reading the /topic, it apperas
[15:27] <rothchild> vincenz: you need #ubuntu
[15:27] <vincenz> oh
[15:27] <vincenz> whoops
[15:27] <michalski> ubuntu+1 is for the new beta were making
[15:27]  * vincenz nods
[15:50] <bazhang> alpha actually
[16:22] <tumbleweed__> The World Is On Fire (8:21)
[16:22] <tumbleweed__> by Strawberry Alarm Clock
[16:22] <tumbleweed__> Incense and Peppermints - Track 01
[17:04] <hydrogen> that is kind of annoying.
[17:05] <bazhang> sure is
[17:09] <Pici> hm?
[17:14] <bazhang> music spam
[17:32] <Arelis> Is it safe to use packages from Hardy on Gutsy? like xmonad and "awesome"
[17:35] <hydrogen> no
[17:36] <pvandewyngaerde> its not safe to use a computer
[17:37] <Arelis> hydrogen: not a single package?
[17:37] <Arelis> (not the repo's)
[17:37] <hydrogen> no
[17:38] <hydrogen> the entire reason there is a hardy
[17:38] <hydrogen> is because
[17:38] <hydrogen> the packages are not safe to put into gutsy
[17:38] <hydrogen> due to changes in the toolchain
[17:38] <Arelis> hmm.. and i almost installed xmonad from there.
[18:41] <Lilacor> hi folks
[18:42] <Lilacor> how do I add another HDD to make it be my cache without LVM?
[18:42] <Lilacor> I've filled up my 4GB partition and I added another 8GB but I'm not using LVM so I can't dynamically increase the root partition.... :(
[19:11] <Dan> is alpha 2 available?
[19:12] <Dan> nvm, found it
[19:50] <tumbleweed__> I'm having problems with dbus
[19:50] <tumbleweed__> it says it's already started, but apps that depend on it are acting wonky, like the trash
[19:51] <tumbleweed__> tumbleweed@tumbleweed:~$ update-manager -d
[19:51] <tumbleweed__> warning: could not initiate dbus
[19:51] <tumbleweed__> Failed to connect to the Trash: Failed to connect to socjet /tmp/dbus-NNSZc19wEg: Connection refused
[19:52] <tumbleweed__> similarly, battery monitoring and the like is also broken
[19:55] <awen_> anyone else here running kubuntu hardy on a laptop?
[19:56] <nickname00000> has kubuntu hardy alpha 2 kde 4.0 included?
[19:56] <tumbleweed__> I am
[19:57] <awen_> tumbleweed__: do your battery monitor also show 2 batteries and 2 processors (even though you only have one?)
[19:57] <tumbleweed__> actually, my battery monitor is broken, and I DO have two processors :P
[19:58] <tumbleweed__> nickname00000 : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha2/Kubuntu#head-016b4fbb5e6c07096dc7d802c99c44af7fcbfc69
[19:58] <nickname00000> thanks
[19:59] <awen_> tumbleweed__: have you made a bug report about it?
[19:59] <nickname00000> is it installed by default? or should I install it?
[19:59] <tumbleweed__> it's installed by default
[19:59] <Artimus> Is there a wiki setup or anything handling current "show stopping" Hardy issues?  Seems like it might be something kind of useful...
[19:59] <tumbleweed__> awen_ : not as of yet
[19:59] <nickname00000> ok thanks
[19:59] <tumbleweed__> Artimus : that would be the bugs page on launchpad
[19:59] <Artimus> I suppose...
[20:00] <tumbleweed__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/
[20:00] <awen_> tumbleweed__: okay... is it something that just happened? my battery monitor startet acting strange within the last 2 days?
[20:00] <tumbleweed__> awen_ : probably, versions of programs are changing constantly, and it's to be expected, as this is an alpha
[20:01] <tumbleweed__> awen_ : I've had similar problems, it probably has to do with dbus acting funky, but I have no clue
[20:01] <awen_> tumbleweed__: exactly... i'am wondering which package i should actually file a bug against
[20:02] <tumbleweed__> I should think dbus, hald, or something related to battery monitoring, depending on the bug
[20:03] <awen_> tumbleweed__: the funny thing is that i've got a second cpu together with the second battery (and yes, neither of them exists in real life :) )
[20:03]  * tumbleweed__ shrugs
[21:01] <tretle> are the nvidia drivers still being held back?
[22:31] <tretle> just incase anyone was wondering.... nvidia drivers are no longer held back
[23:50] <rainwalker> is there a set release when hardy's new theme will be used?
[23:51] <crimsun> asking in ubuntu-artwork may yield better results.
[23:51] <rainwalker> ahh, alright, thanks :)