| slangasek | tjaalton: ah, ok; thanks for following up then :) | 00:16 |
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| lamont | if I import a pdf in the gimp as layers, how can I save that such that I get a multi-page doc? | 01:38 |
| nny_1 | why are 2.6.22-14 has no headers listed in hardy repos??? | 02:06 |
| nny_1 | er reformat | 02:06 |
| nny_1 | why doesn't 2.6.22-14 have no headers in repos* | 02:07 |
| nny_1 | lol close enough | 02:07 |
| nny_1 | but yeah i can't build against the 2.6.22-14 kernel without source | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | why do you want to? | 02:09 |
| nny_1 | Hobbsee: compile zaptel | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | it's not the latest kernel... | 02:10 |
| nny_1 | Hobbsee correct! | 02:10 |
| nny_1 | Hobbsee but apt-get upgrade doesn't provide the 2.6.24-2, and i am having issues building zaptel with that kernel/source combo | 02:10 |
| keescook | Hobbsee, can you look at the build failures of celestia 1.4.1+cvs20070626-3ubuntu3? That's a transient problem, right? | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | nny_1: linux-headers-2.6.24-2 - Header files related to Linux kernel version 2.6.24 | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | appaers to be there | 02:11 |
| nny_1 | yes, but not linux-2.6.22-2 | 02:12 |
| nny_1 | er 2.6.22-14* | 02:12 |
| nny_1 | and if i do an apt-get upgrade, which I assume means, latest suggested packages, it doesn't try to move the kernel up to the latest version | 02:12 |
| nny_1 | so* I tried using it anyways, and it screamed | 02:13 |
| nny_1 | make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-2-server' | 02:13 |
| nny_1 | scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in "/usr/src/zaptel-1.4.7.1/Makefile". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop. | 02:13 |
| nny_1 | make[2]: *** [_module_/usr/src/zaptel-1.4.7.1] Error 2 | 02:13 |
| nny_1 | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-2-server' | 02:13 |
| nny_1 | make[1]: *** [modules] Error 2 | 02:13 |
| nny_1 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/zaptel-1.4.7.1' | 02:13 |
| nny_1 | make: *** [all] Error 2 | 02:13 |
| nny_1 | gah | 02:13 |
| nny_1 | dangit | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | yeesh. pastebin, perhaps? | 02:13 |
| nny_1 | pidgin as an IRC client FTL | 02:13 |
| nny_1 | Hobbsee: ya think? i wasn't intending for it to line break | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | install it manually. or install linux-headers-generic to automatically pick them up | 02:14 |
| nny_1 | muwhaahaha | 02:15 |
| nny_1 | nope | 02:15 |
| nny_1 | linux-headers-2.6.24-2 linux-headers-2.6.24-2-generic linux-headers-generic | 02:15 |
| nny_1 | sigh.. so wait, hardy doesn't suggest I use the latest kernel, but gives me no method for compiling against the current one... this is a bug methinks | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | hardy does now. | 02:15 |
| StevenK | So you edit that Makefile to use EXTRA_CFLAGS, not CFLAGS | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | you presumably don't have the latest package "linux" installed | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | it's not a bug that you havent' gotten the correct metapackages installed (and yes, the dist-upgrader checks for this) | 02:16 |
| slangasek | nny_1: you're not going to get linux-headers-2.6.22-14 anymore, that's an old kernel. | 02:16 |
| StevenK | It should still be linux-generic / linux-server, surely? | 02:17 |
| nny_1 | StevenK: yeah was gonna do that.. but i have numerous other things to compile, and that error got me thinking otherwise.. trust me, i wouldn't use alpha for this if i didn't need something that was only in sid/hardy's repos AFAIK | 02:17 |
| persia | Hobbsee: Only upgrade-manager checks that. Apt-get allows broken systems. | 02:17 |
| StevenK | nny_1: Then why not backport what you want to Gutsy? I would. | 02:17 |
| nny_1 | ok well, i did an install, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and this is what i have | 02:17 |
| nny_1 | StevenK: i spent 9 hours trying to do that with the original dapper install, and it got angry... | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | persia: this is true | 02:17 |
| StevenK | Note I didn't say Dapper | 02:18 |
| nny_1 | persia: upgrade manager doesn't run on a server | 02:18 |
| nny_1 | StevenK: indeed | 02:18 |
| nny_1 | StevenK: mind you i am battling libsnmp9 badness | 02:18 |
| nny_1 | heh who am I kidding, it's all a science project | 02:18 |
| persia | nny_1: Good point. Likely a bug. I'll file that. | 02:19 |
| StevenK | Upgrade manager will be put into Dapper before Hardy releases | 02:20 |
| nny_1 | persia: no problem, was only curious as to which version *I* should be using on server | 02:20 |
| nny_1 | since there is no GUI on this box | 02:20 |
| persia | nny_1: I tend to use aptitude for servers, but there ought be a CLI update-manager to make it easier. | 02:21 |
| Fujitsu | update-manager-core has the CLI one, doesn't it? | 02:21 |
| nny_1 | StevenK: yeah i agree with the gutsy thing. this is more of, I had stable asterisk running on dapper, want to get snmp working for many many more servers later, figured since we only use LTS for these that Hardy alpha would be a good time to try it | 02:21 |
| nny_1 | persia: noted.. i switch between aptitude and apt | 02:23 |
| nny_1 | I assume the cflags issue means EXTRA_CFLAGS+=-DSTANDALONE_ZAPATA -DBUILDING_TONEZONE (added the EXTRA_) | 02:24 |
| StevenK | Right | 02:24 |
| nny_1 | hrmm | 02:25 |
| nny_1 | seems to be happier.. wait for it.. nope shoot | 02:25 |
| nny_1 | same error | 02:25 |
| nny_1 | let me see if their are other areas in the Makefile | 02:25 |
| nny_1 | ahh foudn it my bad | 02:26 |
| nny_1 | lol i don't even want hotplug support :\ | 02:26 |
| nny_1 | lol well heck | 02:37 |
| nny_1 | i installed th enew image, but still running the old one | 02:37 |
| nny_1 | lol reboot | 02:40 |
| nny_1 | again | 02:40 |
| nny_1 | :) | 02:40 |
| DoubleDave | good evening everyone | 03:53 |
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| DoubleDave | anyways hows things in here tonight? | 03:54 |
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| warp10 | Hi all! | 06:31 |
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| * Hobbsee looks at celestia for keescook | 12:16 | |
| Hobbsee | keescook: i'm hoping that's transient. if not, i'll look at it again. | 12:17 |
| ion_ | celestia has failed to upgrade for a while, but i haven’t got around to reporting a bug yet. | 12:21 |
| ion_ | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/celestia-gnome_1.4.1+cvs20070626-3ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack): | 12:22 |
| ion_ | trying to overwrite `/usr/share/celestia/data/asteroids.ssc', which is also in package celestia-common | 12:22 |
| persia | ion_: The bug exists. I'll dig it up for you. | 12:22 |
| Hobbsee | darn, it's not transient | 12:22 |
| Hobbsee | hum, damh | 12:23 |
| Hobbsee | er, damn | 12:23 |
| Hobbsee | would probably be nice to do another upload for that | 12:23 |
| persia | bug #176576 | 12:23 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 176576 in celestia "package celestia-kde None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/celestia-kde.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/celestia/data/asteroids.ssc', which is also in package celestia-common" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176576 | 12:23 |
| persia | Hobbsee: Yes. It needs versioned conflicts/replaces set properly. | 12:24 |
| Hobbsee | uhhhhhhhhhhh | 12:24 |
| Hobbsee | cprov...... | 12:24 |
| Hobbsee | lamont: fairly urgent ping | 12:25 |
| Hobbsee | the buildds shouldn't be that empty, i'm sure | 12:27 |
| Hobbsee | unless everything is takign 40 seconds to fail | 12:27 |
| ion_ | persia: Thanks | 12:27 |
| Hobbsee | keescook: okay, that looks like fairly big "Soyuz has FUBAR'd"-type problems. | 12:29 |
| Hobbsee | but damn, lamont had better like seeing the hppa's down to 0 builds. | 12:30 |
| Hobbsee | keescook: s/Soyuz/GNOME/ | 12:33 |
| geser | Hobbsee: looks like esound-common got lost in hardy | 12:42 |
| * persia thought that was intentional, as part of pulseaudio-by-default | 12:42 | |
| Hobbsee | so, uh, where is it? | 12:43 |
| geser | persia: but then it makes libesd-alsa0 and libesd0 uninstallable | 12:43 |
| Fujitsu | That binary is still built. | 12:43 |
| Fujitsu | I think Soyuz got confused. | 12:43 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: well, exactly | 12:44 |
| Fujitsu | It doesn't seem to exist in the archive, but the SPR page says it does. | 12:44 |
| geser | and many packages still depend on libesd | 12:44 |
| Fujitsu | But that source has had bad things done to it. | 12:44 |
| persia | geser: In the case of libesd0, that's a good thing (in my book). In the case of libesd-alsa0, perhaps it needs to be done differently. Anyway, I see 0.2.38-0ubuntu4 in the pool. | 12:44 |
| Fujitsu | geser: Like libgnome, so the world has exploded. | 12:44 |
| Hobbsee | source hasn't appeared to change since gutys | 12:44 |
| geser | Hobbsee: pitti moved libesd yesterday from main to universe and back to main | 12:45 |
| geser | perhaps soyuz ate it | 12:45 |
| Fujitsu | That's what I discovered and suggested in #launchpad... I don't think Soyuz liked it much. | 12:46 |
| Hobbsee | ohhh..... | 12:46 |
| Fujitsu | That binary has vanished. | 12:46 |
| persia | Hrm. pulseaudio-esound-compat Provides; esound. Perhaps that's insufficient. | 12:46 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: what's the status of the build? | 12:46 |
| Fujitsu | persia: esound-common | 12:46 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: failed to upload, by any chance? | 12:46 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: What build? | 12:46 |
| Hobbsee | esound, i think | 12:46 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: or anything that built that depended on it | 12:46 |
| persia | Fujitsu: That's just documentation, and doesn't have an rdepend from gnome from my cache. | 12:47 |
| Fujitsu | libesd0: Depends: esound-common (>= 0.2.38-0ubuntu4) but it is not installable | 12:47 |
| * Hobbsee wonders what happens if you rebuild libesd0 | 12:47 | |
| geser | Fujitsu: not only Gnome broke on the missing esound-common but also KDE | 12:48 |
| Fujitsu | geser: Yay. | 12:48 |
| * persia suggests replacing libesd0 with something else. Purging the package doesn't break GNOME. | 12:48 | |
| * Hobbsee ponders uploading a no-change-rebuild, and seeing what happens | 12:49 | |
| Fujitsu | I suspect Soyuz didn't process-deathrow before it was repromoted. | 12:49 |
| Hobbsee | no idea. you're hte soyuz expert. but that sounds possible | 12:49 |
| Fujitsu | So it might have seen the existing binary record in main, and not overwritten it, so it then got removed. | 12:49 |
| * Hobbsee thought deathrow was used for removed packages, not demoted ones | 12:50 | |
| Fujitsu | I bet everybody's off and uncontactable for Christmas too :P | 12:50 |
| geser | Hobbsee: either it breaks further more (in which case you have a week to fix it) or it works again | 12:50 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: The binaries were removed. From a component. | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: oh, point. | 12:50 |
| * Hobbsee grabs source | 12:50 | |
| Fujitsu | A no-change rebuild should probably fix it - if only by getting the binary republished. | 12:51 |
| Fujitsu | (of esound) | 12:51 |
| Fujitsu | Poking a Soyuz person is probably better, though. | 12:51 |
| Hobbsee | they won't be around for the next week, at least. | 12:51 |
| * Hobbsee uploads | 12:52 | |
| geser | does it need to go through binary NEW? | 12:52 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: worthy of a soyuz bug, though | 12:52 |
| Fujitsu | That's no problem for Hobbsee. | 12:52 |
| Hobbsee | geser: shouldn't do. | 12:52 |
| Hobbsee | geser: but, i can accept from there anyway | 12:52 |
| Hobbsee | shouldn't, as it's my own upload. but can. | 12:53 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: Sure, but I'll poke more thoroughly first. | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee | geser: why would it? | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee | oh, yes, it might get chucked there, i guess | 12:53 |
| Fujitsu | geser: I think the binary still exists, just the publishings are deleted. | 12:55 |
| * Hobbsee taps fingers, waits for queue builder | 13:05 | |
| geser | Hobbsee: could you also give-back kdmtheme rhythmbox gnomebaker mrwtoppm empathy once esound-common is back? | 13:13 |
| Hobbsee | geser: i'd be in favour of getting someone to call cprov or something, and getting him to do a mass giveback before christmas. | 13:14 |
| Hobbsee | then let the buildds sort it all out over the break | 13:14 |
| Hobbsee | right. now we have esoudn common. | 13:42 |
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| seb128 | Hobbsee: what was this esound upload? | 13:56 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: a soyuz bug. | 13:56 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: it ate the binaries | 13:56 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: has that been confirmed as a soyuz issue? | 13:57 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: what binary has been eaten by soyuz there? | 13:57 |
| * Hobbsee ponders what to answer to that | 13:57 | |
| Hobbsee | seb128: esound-common | 13:57 |
| Fujitsu | esound-common vanished from the archive after a rather odd sequence of events on its source package. | 13:58 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: pitti demoted esound yesterday, are you sure that the binary is not just to universe? | 13:58 |
| seb128 | did you speak about somebody from the soyuz team about the issue? | 13:58 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: based on how it just ended up in new, it's probably a reasonably safe assumption that it wasn't in universe. | 13:58 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: and it's not in apt-caches, etc, so not in the recently published universe lists | 13:59 |
| Fujitsu | Nor rmadison. | 13:59 |
| seb128 | ok, did you raise the issue to the soyuz team before trying to workarouding it? | 13:59 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: no | 13:59 |
| seb128 | grr | 13:59 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: although Fujitsu filed a bug. | 13:59 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: it's a sunday, and it's the 23rd of december. last i checked, they'd all left for holidays, haven't they? | 14:00 |
| \sh | Hobbsee, 22nd of Dec | 14:00 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: it's saturday in most timezones and in holidays != vanished | 14:00 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: 23rd here, but granted. | 14:00 |
| seb128 | I'm on holidays and I'm still reading mails ;-) | 14:00 |
| Hobbsee | you and Riddell appear to be the exception | 14:01 |
| StevenK | Such dedication | 14:01 |
| StevenK | Or insanity, either way | 14:01 |
| seb128 | and StevenK ;-) | 14:01 |
| Fujitsu | Ergh, they're multiplying! | 14:01 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: had a meeting | 14:01 |
| Hobbsee | so he's excepted | 14:01 |
| StevenK | I'm not reading e-mail, I'm heckling | 14:01 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: I'm not that sure, I think several people read mails every now and then | 14:01 |
| StevenK | I'd do more fftw3-dev rebuilds, but slangasek might hate me | 14:02 |
| StevenK | Wait, he won't. Alpha 2 is out the door. | 14:03 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: it's not a freeze now | 14:03 |
| Hobbsee | but, do check to see if esound and friends are all happy now, so thinks don't fail | 14:03 |
| StevenK | seb128: Did you see gimp in -proposed? | 14:03 |
| seb128 | StevenK: I've read the -changes mails | 14:03 |
| seb128 | StevenK: look like you didn't try building the update? ;-) | 14:03 |
| StevenK | Shush. :-( | 14:04 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: there is no esound in NEW | 14:04 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: yes, i know. | 14:04 |
| seb128 | nor glib2.0, weir | 14:05 |
| seb128 | weird | 14:05 |
| * Hobbsee wasn't aware that glib2.0 should be in NEW | 14:05 | |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: there is a new libgio-fam binary | 14:06 |
| seb128 | it was built by an another source package before though | 14:06 |
| seb128 | so it might not require NEWing | 14:06 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: looks like someone else approved it | 14:06 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, quite possibly. it appears to be built from the right source nwo | 14:06 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: what about esound? | 14:06 |
| Hobbsee | unless i'm incompetent using my tools, of course. | 14:06 |
| seb128 | and somebody retried the rhythmbox build | 14:06 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: it was in new. it's now not | 14:06 |
| seb128 | but that still didn't work due to esound | 14:07 |
| Hobbsee | ahh, yes, so this is how you found out to come and yell at me. | 14:07 |
| Hobbsee | this is true. wasn't sure if it was transient, as keescook asked me to check a similar failure | 14:07 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: no, I started IRC because I read the hardy-changes mails | 14:07 |
| seb128 | I asked pitti to retry the rhythmbox build yesterday already | 14:07 |
| Hobbsee | yes, and it failed. | 14:08 |
| seb128 | since it failed because libesd0 was in universe | 14:08 |
| Hobbsee | i retried it today, adn it also failed, so some of us in here debugged the problem. | 14:08 |
| seb128 | right | 14:08 |
| * Hobbsee is not *that* incompetent, FYI. | 14:08 | |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: well, we were debugging the problem yesterday already | 14:08 |
| seb128 | and that's something that should not require a new upload | 14:08 |
| seb128 | but should rather be fixed at the archive level | 14:08 |
| Hobbsee | next week. | 14:08 |
| seb128 | the week after that most likely | 14:09 |
| * Fujitsu notes that all is good now, anyway. | 14:09 | |
| seb128 | everybody is on holidays next week ;-) | 14:09 |
| Hobbsee | so, 2 weeks. | 14:09 |
| Fujitsu | So we have half of main uninstallable for two weeks, yay. | 14:09 |
| * Hobbsee notes that some people *might* actually care about building anything GUI-related in the next 2 weeks. | 14:09 | |
| seb128 | Fujitsu: I though all was good now? | 14:09 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: I'm pretty sure that people would reply to mails | 14:10 |
| Fujitsu | seb128: I meant in the scenario where no rebuild occurred, sorry. | 14:10 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: it is now, after my upload, which you're telling me that i shouldn't have done. | 14:10 |
| seb128 | I for one joined IRC | 14:10 |
| seb128 | and I think that if somebody mail pitti he's likely to show up today | 14:10 |
| * Hobbsee notes that he, in all likelyhood, could not fix it, if it's a soyuz bug? | 14:11 | |
| seb128 | but right, the bug has been workarounded so there is no hurry now | 14:11 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: well, there is often way to workaround soyuz issue as archive admins | 14:12 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: archive admins can republish removed binaries? | 14:12 |
| seb128 | nothing is trashed | 14:12 |
| Hobbsee | sure, it's still in librarian. but it wasn't in hardy at all. | 14:12 |
| seb128 | you just have to move the binaries from where they are to the right place back usually | 14:12 |
| Fujitsu | The binaries had been deleted. They weren't moved to anywhere. | 14:13 |
| seb128 | Fujitsu: how do you now? uploads rejected are moved somewhere and not deleted for example | 14:13 |
| seb128 | Fujitsu: are you sure they are not somewhere in the librarian? | 14:14 |
| Fujitsu | seb128: This was a legitimately superseded and subsequently `deleted' (although still in librarian) binary. | 14:14 |
| Fujitsu | RIght, but can one recover them from there without being a god? | 14:14 |
| * Hobbsee ponders the point of fishing for them in librarian, vs just reuploading, and taking 3 mins on all arches to build. | 14:14 | |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: well, the point is that there is a soyuz bug there | 14:15 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: https://launchpad.net/bugs/178102 | 14:15 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: and sometime it's easier to debug things when they are still in a weird state than after workarounding | 14:15 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 178102 in soyuz "(Quick) promotion and demotion can lose binaries" [Undecided,New] | 14:15 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: this can happen to any binary. obviously, ones which do *not* cause mass uninstability would be good ones to test with | 14:15 |
| Hobbsee | but, i see your point | 14:16 |
| seb128 | ok, I didn't know that was happening to any binary and easy to trigger since I didn't try | 14:17 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: thanks anyway to workarounding the issue ;-) | 14:17 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: you're welcome. do you still think i'm incompetent? | 14:17 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: I didn't say or though that you are incompetent | 14:18 |
| seb128 | I would just have tried to contact somebody from the soyuz team before workarounding the issue | 14:18 |
| * Hobbsee normally would have | 14:19 | |
| seb128 | though admittedly that's not the best timing due to holidays | 14:19 |
| * Hobbsee is aware of the time of year, etc, though. | 14:19 | |
| * Hobbsee has no contact phone numbers, etc, cprov is not talking, etc. | 14:19 | |
| Hobbsee | in fact, none are on irc at all, not even logging | 14:20 |
| seb128 | no | 14:20 |
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| seb128 | Hobbsee: sorry for ranting | 14:21 |
| * Hobbsee continues to hide behind her seb-shield. | 14:21 | |
| * Hobbsee does not wish to be blasted again | 14:21 | |
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| seb128 | Hobbsee: could you give an another rhythmbox build retry? ;-) | 14:22 |
| \sh | how lucky i am..wine needs libesd0 lol | 14:22 |
| Fujitsu | seb128: I wouldn't advise it for at least another 10 minutes. | 14:22 |
| seb128 | Fujitsu: publisher is still running? | 14:22 |
| Fujitsu | seb128: Doesn't it normally finish around */45? | 14:23 |
| seb128 | Fujitsu: ok thanks, no hurry there | 14:23 |
| Fujitsu | Erm, 20 minutes, then. | 14:23 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: yeah, but still waiting for the rest to publish. | 14:23 |
| * Fujitsu can't count. | 14:23 | |
| Hobbsee | seb128: btw, i also checked the scrollback, to see exactly what you guys had done, too. | 14:23 |
| lamont | Hobbsee: sup? | 14:24 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: well, when I pinged pitti yesterday the issue was that libesd moved to universe | 14:24 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: we didn't notice any lack of binary there | 14:24 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: and it moved back. as you would have seen, had you checked your aptcache. | 14:24 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: ? | 14:24 |
| * Hobbsee isn't sure why it only ate that binary, and not the others, though | 14:24 | |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: an arch any or all issue? | 14:25 |
| Hobbsee | lamont: can you do a mass giveback? | 14:25 |
| lamont | nope | 14:25 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: i don't know. perhaps it is | 14:25 |
| Hobbsee | lamont: do you have contacts for those who can? | 14:25 |
| Fujitsu | There are strange things done with arch: all domination. | 14:25 |
| Hobbsee | lamont: it would be nice to do it over christmas | 14:25 |
| Hobbsee | lamont: seeing as we have empty, waiting buildds | 14:25 |
| lamont | well, there's the RSI-inducing button-clicking method... | 14:26 |
| Hobbsee | and no kde4 uploads :P | 14:26 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: what about my aptcache? pitti said he promoted the binaries again yesterday and after that we were on holidays, I didn't look at anything out of my mails today | 14:26 |
| lamont | then what can: cprov, infinity | 14:26 |
| Hobbsee | sarah@LongPointyStick:~% madison libesd0 1:06AM | 14:26 |
| Hobbsee | libesd0 | 0.2.38-0ubuntu4 | http://mirror.internode.on.net hardy/main Packages | 14:26 |
| Hobbsee | libesd0 | 0.2.38-0ubuntu4 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages | 14:26 |
| Hobbsee | esound | 0.2.38-0ubuntu4 | http://mirror.internode.on.net hardy/main Sources | 14:26 |
| Hobbsee | esound | 0.2.38-0ubuntu4 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Sources | 14:26 |
| Hobbsee | lamont: right. got contact #'s for either of them, to start it off? (but wait till we've got some bits checked, that the esound stuff really has worked) | 14:26 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: ^ should have told you that it was in main again (source and binaries) | 14:27 |
| lamont | no | 14:27 |
| Hobbsee | lamont: guess seb128 had better be begged to do it, then | 14:27 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: well, since pitti promoted it yesterday I though it would be there ;-) | 14:27 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: well, most of it is... | 14:27 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: what do you need now? build retries for what? | 14:28 |
| Fujitsu | Ermmm. | 14:28 |
| seb128 | note that I'm not a buildd admin and can't do those | 14:28 |
| Fujitsu | This is odd. | 14:28 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: you have the great canonical phone directory. | 14:28 |
| Fujitsu | Soyuz left the binaries that still exist in universe. | 14:28 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: but didn't publish them? | 14:28 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: where are you finding that info? | 14:29 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: rmadison from an hour ago says -0ubuntu4 has esound binaries in universe. | 14:29 |
| StevenK | rmadison might be lagged more, though | 14:29 |
| * persia notes that old binaries that aren't superceded by new versions for the same component and architecture have always seemed to benefit from manual poking. | 14:29 | |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: when was that last updated, though? | 14:29 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee, StevenK: Recently enough that the esound-common one is missing. | 14:29 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: wlel, we don't know if that one got nuked between main and universe, or universe and main. | 14:30 |
| Hobbsee | if it happened to get nuked btwn main and universe, that would still fit the problem | 14:30 |
| Fujitsu | seb128: Did somebody not knock the binaries back to main? | 14:31 |
| seb128 | what binaries? | 14:31 |
| seb128 | esound should be in universe | 14:31 |
| seb128 | libesd should be in main | 14:31 |
| Fujitsu | Ohh. | 14:32 |
| Fujitsu | I see, it is split. How confusing. | 14:32 |
| Fujitsu | So it's just the arch: all that is broken. | 14:32 |
| \sh | .oO(there should be someone doing lvl2/lvl3 on-duty call support somehow in between these peaceful days, no?) | 14:33 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: so something strange happens to arch: all binary demotions / promotions. got it. | 14:35 |
| Hobbsee | ie, they vanish | 14:35 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: presumably, unless they presumed that no one would do any ubuntu development over christmas | 14:35 |
| Fujitsu | Yep. It may only occur when both are performed within a short window, but I'm not entirely sure of how the binary removals work. | 14:36 |
| Hobbsee | guess you'll find out | 14:36 |
| \sh | Hobbsee, well, it's the time of the year...all things which could get a bit messy are happening now | 14:37 |
| StevenK | Like Christmas shopping. | 14:37 |
| * StevenK shivers | 14:37 | |
| Hobbsee | urgh. don't mention that | 14:37 |
| Fujitsu | Hah. | 14:37 |
| * Hobbsee stabs stupid customers. | 14:37 | |
| \sh | or "hey, we are happy script kiddies, let's fck up some things" or "we produced a not known bug in our software..." | 14:38 |
| geser | seb128: run "rmadison esound-common", there is no entry for hardy | 14:40 |
| seb128 | geser: is that a follow up on the discussion we just had on the chan or a new one? | 14:41 |
| seb128 | esound-common | 0.2.38-0ubuntu5 | hardy | all | 14:41 |
| geser | a followup | 14:41 |
| seb128 | on drescher | 14:41 |
| Fujitsu | Aha, it's back! | 14:41 |
| geser | for -0ubuntu4 there was no entry for hardy | 14:41 |
| seb128 | geser: that's the bug we were speaking about and that Hobbsee workaround with the upload | 14:42 |
| Hobbsee | good, i'm glad it's back | 14:42 |
| seb128 | workarounded | 14:42 |
| geser | and rmadison for mere mortals still shows -0ubuntu4 | 14:42 |
| Fujitsu | seb128: It's probably actually `worked around' | 14:42 |
| seb128 | Fujitsu: thanks ;-) | 14:42 |
| seb128 | geser: did you run apt-get update? | 14:42 |
| Fujitsu | seb128: rmadison uses a script on rookery. | 14:43 |
| geser | rmadison needs "apt-get update"? | 14:43 |
| seb128 | ok, I don't use rmadison so I don't know | 14:43 |
| seb128 | maybe rookery didn't update yet | 14:43 |
| Fujitsu | I don't think anything but drescher will have updated yet. | 14:43 |
| geser | but it's good that the lost binary is back again | 14:44 |
| seb128 | Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main esound-common 0.2.38-0ubuntu4 [42.2kB] | 14:44 |
| Fujitsu | Gutsy, -0ubuntu4. | 14:44 |
| seb128 | right | 14:45 |
| seb128 | that's the current | 14:45 |
| seb128 | still need to wait for an archive update | 14:45 |
| seb128 | but since drescher has the new one that should be alright | 14:45 |
| seb128 | let's wait for the next update | 14:45 |
| * Hobbsee gives some packages back, and sees what happens | 14:48 | |
| Fujitsu | They won't try to build for ages anyway. | 14:48 |
| Hobbsee | why? | 14:48 |
| Fujitsu | Oh, I guess the builds will immediately be recreated, rather than having to wait for queue-builder like new ones. | 14:49 |
| Hobbsee | rhythmbox has started | 14:49 |
| Fujitsu | That was quick. | 14:49 |
| * Fujitsu watches. | 14:49 | |
| Fujitsu | Aha, it worked. | 14:50 |
| Fujitsu | kdmtheme got build-deps properly on castilla, at least. | 14:50 |
| Fujitsu | And that was libesd0-dev. | 14:50 |
| Hobbsee | looks like libgpod-dev is dead on hppa | 14:50 |
| Fujitsu | Get:1 http://ftpmaster.internal hardy/main esound-common 0.2.38-0ubuntu5 [42.3kB] | 14:50 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: It *is* hppa... | 14:51 |
| \sh | but it's not published on archive.ubuntu.com? | 14:51 |
| Hobbsee | oh, that's depwaited | 14:51 |
| Fujitsu | \sh: No, that won't sync for a while, probably. | 14:51 |
| \sh | crap :( | 14:51 |
| * Hobbsee wonders why sg3-utils failed to upload on hppa | 14:52 | |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: When? | 14:52 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: sg3-utils | 14:52 |
| Hobbsee | 2007-11-27 | 14:52 |
| Hobbsee | er, that | 14:53 |
| Hobbsee | hum, 5 min build tim | 14:53 |
| Hobbsee | e | 14:53 |
| * Hobbsee hits retry | 14:53 | |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: It was promoted on the 27th. | 14:53 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 14:53 |
| Hobbsee | oh, so it was promoted | 14:53 |
| Hobbsee | good. then it's fine to retry | 14:53 |
| Fujitsu | Do you still have a page open from before you retried it? | 14:53 |
| \sh | so no wine building...time to deal somewhat more with django | 14:54 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: no | 14:54 |
| Hobbsee | why, what were you looking for? | 14:54 |
| Fujitsu | Just wondering what time it failed, but it was probably the promotion. | 14:54 |
| Fujitsu | \sh: It has hit a.u.c | 14:59 |
| \sh | Fujitsu, cool thx :) | 14:59 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: the rhythmbox build worked, you rock ;-) | 15:05 |
| seb128 | ok, enough computer for now | 15:05 |
| seb128 | see you later | 15:05 |
| ion_ | “enough computer”? | 15:05 |
| * ion_ has problems understanding the concept | 15:06 | |
| Fujitsu | ion_: You're not meant to understand it. It's a new Canonical plot to make our minds explode. | 15:06 |
| Amaranth | ion_: I heard there is this place called 'outside' | 15:07 |
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| Amaranth | Perhaps he went there | 15:07 |
| Fujitsu | Amaranth: Ah, another Canonical invention. | 15:07 |
| * Fujitsu heads off to bed. | 15:08 | |
| ion_ | amaranth: This so-called “outside” is compatible with laptop computers. | 15:08 |
| Amaranth | Not if they have a glossy screen :P | 15:08 |
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| \sh | hmm... | 15:32 |
| \sh | libesd0-alsa is still not installable...strange | 15:32 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: should be fixed | 15:32 |
| \sh | libesd0-dev: Depends: libesd-alsa0 (= 0.2.38-0ubuntu4) but it is not going to be installed or | 15:34 |
| \sh | libesd0 (= 0.2.38-0ubuntu4) | 15:34 |
| \sh | Depends: esound-common (>= 0.2.38-0ubuntu4) but it is not installable | 15:34 |
| \sh | just updated the pbuilder | 15:34 |
| persia | \sh: Works from here, with updated cache. Which mirror are you viewing? | 15:36 |
| \sh | persia, well, pbuilder is using archive.ubuntu.com but doesn't give me the used ip address from the RR | 15:37 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: out of date | 15:37 |
| persia | \sh: True. Keep updating until it works :) | 15:37 |
| pochu | Yay, works here too! | 15:37 |
| * pochu thanks Hobbsee | 15:37 | |
| Hobbsee | :) | 15:38 |
| Hobbsee | ahh, there we go. | 15:38 |
| Hobbsee | Totals by arch: | 15:38 |
| Hobbsee | * sparc:29 | 15:38 |
| Hobbsee | * i386:38 | 15:38 |
| Hobbsee | * amd64:34 | 15:38 |
| Hobbsee | uninstallable from main ^ | 15:38 |
| Hobbsee | much better | 15:39 |
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| hile | a question related to bug #500397: is it nautilus or gnome-vfs, which is deciding which inotify events are actually received by nautilus? i.e. are the events filtered somehow? | 18:31 |
| hile | hmpf, should have been on gnome-devel, nevermind | 18:31 |
| spectie | hey all, i'm a debian package maintainer for apertium, the version in debian is 3.0.5 and the version in ubuntu is 1.0.3 | 18:34 |
| spectie | there is a lot of stuff that has changed in between the versions and i was wondering if it might be possible to accelerate the process of getting the new versions in ubuntu? | 18:34 |
| spectie | is there anything i can do to help etc. ? | 18:34 |
| \sh | spectie, not true | 18:36 |
| spectie | oh ? | 18:36 |
| spectie | what is not true ? | 18:36 |
| \sh | spectie, in our dev version apertium is http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/source/apertium | 18:36 |
| keescook | persia: celestia> nah, that bug will be fixed when the most recent build finishes -- I made a weird mistake with the rules file | 18:36 |
| pochu | apertium | 3.0.5-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Sources | 18:36 |
| spectie | aha cool | 18:36 |
| Ubulette | !info apertium hardy | 18:36 |
| Ubulette | (too slow) | 18:37 |
| * keescook wanders afk again | 18:37 | |
| ubotu | apertium: Shallow-transfer machine translation engine. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.5-1 (hardy), package size 251 kB, installed size 1044 kB | 18:37 |
| spectie | \sh, and when will that be in gutsy ? | 18:37 |
| \sh | spectie, if then only via backports | 18:37 |
| mjj29 | spectie: I assume it will never be in gutsy | 18:37 |
| spectie | ok | 18:37 |
| mjj29 | in the same way it will never be in etch | 18:37 |
| pochu | You can request a backport if you want it in Gutsy. You will probably need some testing before it's approved. | 18:37 |
| spectie | what is the timescale of hardy being released ? | 18:38 |
| Mithrandir | spectie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule | 18:39 |
| spectie | cool thanks | 18:39 |
| spectie | i guess it would be worth requesting a backport | 18:39 |
| spectie | as 1.0.3 is probably broken by default | 18:39 |
| spectie | !info lttoolbox hardy | 18:45 |
| ubotu | lttoolbox: Apertium lexical processing modules and tools. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.1-1 (hardy), package size 16 kB, installed size 100 kB | 18:45 |
| spectie | !info apertium-es-ca hardy | 18:48 |
| ubotu | apertium-es-ca: Apertium linguistic data to translate between Spanish and Catalan. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.5-2 (hardy), package size 778 kB, installed size 1700 kB | 18:48 |
| Mithrandir | spectie: if you're just looking for versions, rmadison -u ubuntu $package in Debian will tell you the relevant versions | 18:52 |
| spectie | aha thanks | 18:52 |
| spectie | i just finished | 18:52 |
| spectie | but i'll remember in future | 18:53 |
| Mithrandir | (rmadison $pkg will give you the versions for Debian, but you probably knew that already) | 18:53 |
| spectie | filed the request | 18:57 |
| spectie | thanks for your help | 18:57 |
| Ubulette | hmm, xine-lib 1.1.8-3ubuntu2 diff contains sources changes outside of debian/patches | 19:56 |
| tuxist | promblems packaging flitghgear | 20:28 |
| tuxist | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49344/ | 20:28 |
| tuxist | anny sollutions | 20:29 |
| \sh | tuxist, looks like a missing lib/shared object or whatever... | 20:30 |
| tuxist | i think it is problem in the header of libsgmisc | 20:31 |
| \sh | tuxist, is it using simgear-dev? | 20:34 |
| tuxist | yes i have version 1.0.0 | 20:34 |
| \sh | tuxist, the version in hardy is still 0.3.10-2 for simgear0...so it could be that flightgear needs a newer version of simgear | 20:36 |
| tuxist | i have installed allready the new vrsion | 20:36 |
| tuxist | yes i have version 1.0.0 | 20:36 |
| \sh | tuxist, so you are sure that your flightgear package is including the correct simgear package? :) | 20:37 |
| tuxist | ./configure --prefix=/usr | 20:37 |
| \sh | tuxist, so you just compile the source...but you didn't packaged it... | 20:37 |
| tuxist | when have compiled the package i start packaging | 20:38 |
| tuxist | sucsessful | 20:38 |
| tuxist | ;-) | 20:38 |
| \sh | tuxist, well, if you use pbuilder for building the package...you need to make sure that pbuilder is getting the 1.0.0 package of simgear and not the provided package from <insert your ubuntu release here> | 20:39 |
| tuxist | i have the problem broken script | 20:42 |
| tuxist | thanks | 20:42 |
| tjaalton | which package is responsible for the debug output on vt8? | 21:21 |
| tjaalton | nevermind | 21:26 |
| ion_ | Probably PEBKAC, but it seems as if fglrx in hardy doesn’t support Xv. | 22:54 |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | ||
| ion_ | Huh. The tubes claim that i can only choose OpenGL acceleration *or* Xv acceleration. Way to go, ATI! :-P | 22:58 |
| ion_ | After modifying xorg.conf, both seem to work after all. | 23:05 |
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