[01:11] <imbrandon> @now
[01:11] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: December 22 2007, 01:11:58 - Next meeting: Kubuntu Developers in 9 hours 48 minutes
[10:58] <Riddell> hi all
[10:58]  * Jucato waves hello
[10:58] <Hobbsee> heya Riddell
[10:58] <Riddell> we'll start in a few minutes with membership then other stuff
[10:58] <smarter> hello
[10:58] <Riddell> but first, one of the items is wallpapers, and I have a selection we can review from the oxygen people
[10:58] <Riddell> but it's not to be given out to the public
[10:58] <Riddell> so if you want to have a look at them please /msg me and I'll give you the URL
[10:58]  * Hobbsee would
[11:00]  * mhb would
[11:00] <Riddell> nobody else?
[11:00] <jpatrick> rouzic isn't around -> skip
[11:00]  * jpatrick would
[11:00] <Hobbsee> how pretty
[11:00] <Jucato> are there pink ponies? :)
[11:00] <Riddell> Good Morning Friends
[11:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: are these in widescreen too?
[11:01] <Riddell> welcome to the Kubuntu Christmas party
[11:01] <Hobbsee> yay, party!
[11:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: dunno
[11:01] <Riddell> wearing of paper hats from crackers is compulsary
[11:01] <sigma_> lol
[11:01] <Riddell> who do we have from the council?
[11:01] <Riddell> me, Hobbsee, mhb
[11:02] <Riddell> Lure?
[11:02] <mhb> not me, I'm afraid :o)
[11:02] <Lure> Riddell: just joined
[11:02] <Jucato> um... I have to excuse myself... family stuff... sorry to drop out so suddenly. I'll try to catch up later
[11:02] <Riddell> not mhb... yet :)
[11:02] <jpatrick> I'll write the minutes if you'd like
[11:02] <Riddell> nixternal?
[11:02] <Jucato> we seem to be missing the minutes for the past 2 meetings btw...
[11:02] <Jucato> anyway... gone... sorry again...
[11:03] <Riddell> agenda at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[11:03] <Riddell> first up is membership
[11:03] <Riddell> no rouzic?
[11:03] <Riddell> do we have smarter?
[11:03] <smarter> Riddell: yes :)
[11:03] <Riddell> welcome along smarter, could you introduce yourself?
[11:03] <smarter> okay
[11:04]  * Hobbsee curses rotten parents
[11:04] <smarter> I'm a 14 yo, French guy, I'm admin of the french ubuntu forum and a KDE-lover :) Wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GuillaumeMartres
[11:04] <Hobbsee> i'm going to need to belatedly vote on this.  *sigh*
[11:04] <Hobbsee> memberships first would be great.
[11:05] <Riddell> smarter: how long have you been involved?
[11:05] <Lure> smarter: what is the area that you think your contributions are the stronger?
[11:07] <Riddell> is there anyone here to support smarter?
[11:07] <smarter> Riddell: I first used Linux 2,5 years ago I became a moderator on the french forum 1 year ago, admin six months ago and medibuntu packager since yesterday ;)
[11:07] <smarter> Lure: For the moment, bug reporting, but I hope to make cool patches for Kubuntu/KDE in the future
[11:08] <smarter> Riddell: I asked some french MOTU but it looks like they forgot to wake up ;)
[11:08] <Riddell> smarter: why are the packages of amarok and kaffeine different in medibuntu?
[11:09] <smarter> Riddell: amarok is compiled with --enable-mp4v2 and kaffeine with lame support
[11:09] <smarter> but they're based on Kubuntu packages
[11:09] <smarter> and the description clearly state that they are not official Ubuntu packages
[11:09] <Lure> smarter: and afair, they only change build-depends
[11:10] <smarter> Lure: yes, kaffeine build-deps on liblame-dev and amarok on libmp4v2-dev
[11:10] <Lure> smarter: how long are you doing bug triage and are you focusing on particular areas?
[11:11] <smarter> Lure: I started bug triaging recently and I focus mostly on kde, 'cause it's easier for me to try to make patches
[11:11] <Lure> smarter: kde in general or are some packages of particular interest?
[11:12] <smarter> Lure: I started with kdebase
[11:12] <smarter> and kdelibs
[11:12] <Riddell> we always need more of that being done
[11:12] <nixternal> YAY \O/
[11:12] <Lure> smarter: you are a brave man!
[11:12] <nixternal> I can't believe I woke up
[11:12] <Lure> ;-)
[11:12] <Riddell> morning nixternal, any questions for smarter before we vote?
[11:12] <smarter> thanks Lure ;)
[11:12] <Lure> smarter: we really need bug triagers
[11:12] <nixternal> err
[11:12] <nixternal> who is the smarter? :)
[11:13] <Riddell> nixternal: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GuillaumeMartres
[11:13] <nixternal> so many new people :)
[11:14] <nixternal> w/o a doubt his future is definitely bright, considered he was 12 when he started
[11:14] <Jucato> that's a good sign right? (trying to sneak in a line or two before dinner)
[11:14] <Jucato> :)
[11:14] <Riddell> lets vote
[11:15] <Riddell> +1 from me for adding to the francophone cabal and doing the slog of bug triage
[11:15] <Riddell> Lure, nixternal, Hobbsee?
[11:15] <nixternal> that is pretty impressive to me
[11:15] <Lure> I would prefer a bit longer contribution, but based on couple of bugs, comments I have just reviewed I can give a +1
[11:15] <nixternal> +1 - simply amazed at just how accomplished one is at 14
[11:16] <Riddell> congratulations smarter
[11:16] <smarter> huzzah! \o/
[11:16]  * Lure remebers jpatrick being that age when I joined - and he helped me getting into packaging ;-)
[11:16] <Riddell> any other memberships?
[11:16] <nixternal> congrats
[11:16] <Hobbsee> grrr, parents.
[11:16] <smarter> That's a cool christmas present ;)
[11:16]  * Hobbsee quickly reads
[11:16] <jpatrick> Lure: ;)
[11:16] <nixternal> can I go back to bed :)
[11:16] <nixternal> hehe
[11:16] <jpatrick> rouzic's asleep/missing
[11:17] <Lure> smarter: welcome and rock on!
[11:17] <yuriy> congrats smarter
[11:17] <Hobbsee> +1 from me
[11:17] <jpatrick> congrats smarter!
[11:17] <Lutin> smarter: congrats :)
[11:17] <smarter> thanks everyone :)
[11:17] <Riddell> so next is the big item for today, the non LTS change
[11:17] <nixternal> WHAT? NON-LTS? You are kidding right?
[11:18] <nixternal> p
[11:18] <Riddell> discussion of the way that was decided should be left to the canonical members of the tech board, keybuk says he's happy to answer questions
[11:18] <Hobbsee> oh, i thoguht there was a background decision first :P
[11:18] <nixternal> oh ya, the tongue and no eyes
[11:18] <Lure> Riddell: he is not around
[11:18] <Riddell> no, you'd have to catch him at some other time
[11:18] <nixternal> Lure: do you blame him after such a big decision? :)
[11:19] <smarter> does that mean that 8.10 will be a LTS?
[11:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so presumably the question is abotu where to focus our attention - kde3, kde4.
[11:19] <mhb> I would suggest deciding on the further steps we take in order to help Kubuntu the most
[11:19] <Riddell> smarter: no
[11:19] <Hobbsee> smarter: no
[11:19] <Lure> Riddell: I know that Keybuk wears several hats: so in which authority was decision made? Canonical or TB?
[11:19] <Riddell> Lure: LTS is Canonical's decision
[11:20] <smarter> 9.04 then?
[11:20] <Lure> Riddell: and I suspect dapper is first and last LTS for Kubuntu, right?
[11:20] <Riddell> smarter: I can't see us having an LTS out of step with ubuntu
[11:20] <rouzic> hi akk
[11:20] <rouzic> all*
[11:20] <Riddell> Lure: I hope not, I don't think so
[11:20] <Lure> rouzic: will cover your membership later, ok?
[11:20] <nixternal> Riddell: by chance, is there any reasoning that can be publically displayed for this decision?
[11:20] <Hobbsee> nixternal: probably a better question for keybuk
[11:21] <rouzic> lure: :(
[11:21] <Riddell> nixternal: as Hobbsee says
[11:21] <nixternal> roger that
[11:21] <Lure> Riddell: but we will break LTS upgrade chaing, therefore LTS ->LTS upgrade will not be possible anymore
[11:21] <Hobbsee> Lure: apparently there are no support contracts anyway
[11:21] <Lure> Riddell: unless dapper Kubuntu will be supported until next LTS which I doungt
[11:21] <Lure> dounbt even
[11:21] <Lure> doubt even ;-)
[11:21] <Hobbsee> and i'd imagine that we'll vaguely support dapper --> hardy, with metapackages
[11:21] <Hobbsee> but not test overly much
[11:21] <nixternal> Hobbsee: there are, I know a few people and places here with the support contracts
[11:22] <Hobbsee> (as in, default installs to hardy)
[11:22] <Hobbsee> nixternal: kubuntu dapper?
[11:22] <nixternal> actually no
[11:22] <nixternal> no LTS support contracts :)
[11:22] <Lure> Hobbsee: problem is that new users cannot install something today that is LTS supported and be able to upgrade to LTS in future
[11:22] <Hobbsee> nixternal: right, yes, those are the ones that we care about for the purposes of this discussion
[11:22] <mhb> well I think we're settled on that we will do 2 Kubuntu CDs, one with KDE3 as default desktop and the other one would be a KDE4-KDE3 mix, I guess.
[11:22] <Flannel> So, we only care about paying customers now?
[11:23] <nixternal> unfortunately so
[11:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: this is true, but that debate is for the tb, not general kubuntu.
[11:23] <Lure> Flannel: I hope not ;-)
[11:23] <Riddell> unfortunatly making a KDE 4 CD is blocked on the seeds being rejigged so we don't have a clear idea of what packages would be on it
[11:23] <Riddell> but as mhb we should have both a KDE 3 CD and KDE 4 CD, and the question is the status of each
[11:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: it would, of course, be nice to have a reasonably working upgrade, if a community member wanted to work on it somewhat
[11:23] <yuriy> Flannel: well LTS = long term support = paying customers. i don't see why anybody else would care about the LTS moniker
[11:23] <Flannel> Lure: You'll still be able to install Hardy and upgrade to the next LTS, you just may have to do the upgrade as a GUI-less upgrade, and then convert back to Kubuntu
[11:23] <nixternal> I don't see why 3.5 release couldn't be LTS
[11:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: mvo says he's making sure upgrade works, but the Kubuntu upgrade tool will be missing
[11:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: because canonical has decided.
[11:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right
[11:24] <Lure> yuriy: it is message to the marked and such decision does not help making kubuntu viable alternative
[11:24] <Flannel> yuriy: There are plenty of people, myself included, that are still on Dapper and not paying customers, because we prefer stability.
[11:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: probably safer, seeing as how it usually does
[11:24] <Lure> yuriy: and I am the first one to agree that Canonical can drop it
[11:24] <Hobbsee> Flannel: then i'd suggest helping out checking that it works, to upgrade it.
[11:24] <Lure> yuriy: just that they should do well though decision first and discuss other aspects with community
[11:25] <Hobbsee> regardless, we're bikeshedding, and wasting valuable time
[11:25] <mhb> indeed
[11:25] <Riddell> of course if someone else or a company wants to get the upgrader running and tested in it's meny different combinations that's entirely welcome, although slow and boring work
[11:25] <Riddell> so, I have a proposal
[11:25] <Riddell> ...
[11:26] <nixternal> drum roll...
[11:26] <cheguevara> :P
[11:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: shoot
[11:26] <Riddell> we keep the KDE 3 CD as the commercially supported (18 months) and based on the kubuntu-desktop seed, and the one that 7.10 upgrades to...
[11:26] <Riddell> but we big up the KDE 4 CD as being the interesting and exciting one, we put it on release.u.c, have it on shipit and generally make it the focus of our messaging
[11:27] <nixternal> +1
[11:27] <mhb> +1 from me
[11:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if we're allowed to do that, +25.
[11:27] <cheguevara> +1
[11:27] <Riddell> it would be community supported, so 6 months only
[11:27] <jpatrick> +1
[11:27] <mhb> the only problematic part is whether they'll allow us to do that
[11:27] <Riddell> but it would be the main Kubuntu CD for non-commercial users
[11:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's reasonable enough.  it's not like montreal would know kde4 stuff anyway - nor that they'd be writing patches
[11:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what do we support upgrades from after hardy, then?
[11:28] <nixternal> Hobbsee: its not like montreal know's 3.5 stuff either
[11:28]  * Lure_ dropped of
[11:28] <Hobbsee> nixternal: true, but they probably know a bit more than that
[11:29]  * Hobbsee grabs a pastebin
[11:29] <Riddell> Lure: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49274/
[11:29]  * Riddell wins
[11:29] <Lure_> Riddell: thanks
[11:29] <mhb> Hobbsee: I'd assume Hardy+1 would have one KDE again, which would both CDs upgrade to
[11:29] <Hobbsee> awww
[11:29]  * Hobbsee blames au connection
[11:29] <Riddell> yes, hardy+1 should be KDE 4
[11:29] <Riddell> supported upgrade path would be from KDE 3 (which is the tricky bit)
[11:29] <Hobbsee> so the kde3 --> kde4 would work
[11:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not if you really want kde3,4 to be coinstallable, though
[11:30] <Riddell> upgrading from KDE 4 should be fine too since that's comparitavly easy
[11:30] <Hobbsee> if you can just put a global replaces on it...
[11:30] <Hobbsee> er, don't want them to coinstall
[11:30] <Lure_> Riddell: so hardy+1 will still have kde3 in, just not default?
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Lure_: commercial customers would get it by deafult
[11:31] <mhb> Riddell: have you talked with Steve Langasek or anyone else from the Release Team about your plan?
[11:31] <Hobbsee> mhb: he's one of them, i'm another.
[11:31] <Riddell> Lure_: that I'm unsure, how soon we clear kde 3 from the archives, but it's pretty much a question for hardy+1 not now
[11:31] <Lure_> Riddell: agreed
[11:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: I know, but Canonical can block it again, as they do the shipping ...
[11:31]  * Hobbsee can't see why you'd keep kde3 around
[11:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: I wouldn't like that to happen
[11:32] <Hobbsee> mhb: i doubt they would.  they haven't blocked MOTU so far
[11:32] <Riddell> mhb: we can have whatever we like on shipit really, just send them the ISO and tell the marketing person what to put on the cover text
[11:32] <Hobbsee> so i doubt they would this either
[11:32] <Riddell> iRon, vorian: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49274/
[11:33] <Lure_> Hobbsee: because all apps would not have kde4 port yet?
[11:33] <Hobbsee> Lure_: i thought you could run kde3-based stuff in kde4.
[11:33] <Lure_> Hobbsee: right, but we need libs, base...
[11:33] <yuriy> hence why would you get rid of it?
[11:33] <nixternal> you can
[11:33] <Hobbsee> Lure_: right
[11:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49274/
[11:33] <yuriy> i would think kde3 stuff would get demoted to universe though
[11:34] <mhb> Lure_: it may not fit on the CD, we don't know yet.
[11:34] <apachelogger> hi
[11:34] <txwikinger> +1 for the paste
[11:34] <mhb> Lure_: but I guess the sane KDE4 CD would have a KDE4 desktop, some KDE4 apps, and some KDE3 apps (amarok, kaffeine, digikam and so on)
[11:34] <Riddell> mhb: that it would
[11:34] <vorian> Riddell, big +1 :)
[11:34] <Hobbsee> mhb: amarok, etc, has been ported.
[11:34] <Riddell> openoffice, dunno about
[11:35] <apachelogger> +1
[11:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not in time for hardy
[11:35] <Lure_> Riddell: I would go with koffice beta
[11:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, true, yes
[11:35] <jpatrick> couldn't we use koffice?
[11:35] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: amarok2 is unusable
[11:35] <Hobbsee> does it support windows file formats reasonably, though?
[11:35] <Riddell> we could go with koffice but I'd want to ask the koffice devels if they're happy with that
[11:35] <yuriy> you don't think amarok2 and digikam will be ready in time for hardy?
[11:35] <apachelogger> still, since amarok1.4 only depends on kdelibs that's not a biggy
[11:35] <Riddell> anyway, this isn't a good time to discuss the exact apps
[11:36] <yuriy> and kword2 seems quite usable already
[11:36] <Riddell> we need to get the KDE 4 CDs started first, then argue over the finer details
[11:36] <apachelogger> agreed
[11:36] <nixternal> ditto
[11:36] <Riddell> anything else to discusson that, or can we move on?
[11:36] <mhb> Riddell: so when can we expect it to be unblocked?
[11:36] <jpatrick> Riddell: rouzic's around
[11:36] <Riddell> mhb: cjwatson says it's high on his priority, so hopefully soon in the new year
[11:36] <Lure_> Riddell: koffice is expected to be released in April, so beta should be good enough for preview
[11:36] <Lure_> http://wiki.koffice.org/index.php?title=KOffice2/Schedule
[11:37] <rouzic> it's here
[11:37]  * yuriy keeps thinking hardy is 8.06 not 8.04 because of dapper
[11:37] <nixternal> heh
[11:37] <Riddell> rouzic: could you introduce yourself?
[11:37] <yuriy> as in, 2 extra months to get apps in
[11:37]  * Riddell reads https://wiki.kubuntu.org/rouzic
[11:38] <rouzic> riddell: I have been the admin of kubuntu-es.org for the last two years. And now run the xubuntu-es.org and edubuntu-es.org websites
[11:39] <Riddell> rouzic: I notice kubuntu-es.org is still broken, what's happening there?
[11:39] <jpatrick> Riddell: the guys with the DNS don't want to hand it over to us
[11:40] <Riddell> jpatrick: hrm
[11:40] <Riddell> anything I can do to help with that?
[11:40] <jpatrick> he erased his user account (because of lack of activity), and now he doesn't exist for them
[11:40] <Riddell> rouzic: so what's on kubuntu-es.org what it is working?
[11:41] <jpatrick> the site can be accessed from the xubuntu-es and edubuntu-es.org since they both use the same DB
[11:42] <jpatrick> s/both/all three
[11:42] <Riddell> and which is rouzic here? https://edge.launchpad.net/~rouzic :)
[11:42] <Riddell> anyone here to support rouzic?  jpatrick presumably?
[11:42] <nixternal> the one with long hair :)
[11:42] <apachelogger> lol
[11:43] <rouzic> riddell: I have to right a fax to the DNS guys
[11:43] <rouzic> riddell: i'm the boy, left on the photo
[11:43] <Lure_> rouzic: any other community member that you worked with?
[11:43] <apachelogger> better visit him personally ;-)
[11:43] <jpatrick> Riddell: well he has been working on the site for two years :)
[11:43] <jpatrick> +1 from me
[11:44] <Riddell> rouzic: what is your relationship with ubuntu-es.org ?
[11:44] <Lure_> rouzic: are that also es support channels on irc?
[11:44] <apachelogger> rouzic: any future plans for your contribution to kubuntu?
[11:44] <rouzic> riddell: contact with the administrador's ubuntu-es every day
[11:45] <Lure_> rouzic: that is the other person on the picture? ;-)
[11:45] <rouzic> apachelogger: Translations and bug reports
[11:46] <cheguevara> sorry, have to leave for work, bye
[11:46] <Lure_> rouzic: not much activity in LP though?
[11:46] <Lure_> bye cheguevara
[11:46] <rouzic> apachelogger: #kubuntu-es.org
[11:46] <apachelogger> rouzic: how about representing Kubuntu @ linux events in es?
[11:47] <rouzic> good bye cheguevara
[11:47] <jpatrick> Lure: he rarely comes on irc, but I maintain the #kubuntu-es channel
[11:47]  * LongPointyStick sighs at how her screen only sometimes unlocks
[11:48] <Lure> Riddell: I am fine to give +1 on jpatrick support - LoCo presence is important and can just improve for kubuntu
[11:48] <Lure> rouzic: but you need to fix kubuntu-es.org or replace with some other name ;-)
[11:48] <Riddell> +1 from me too, good luck with that DNS
[11:48]  * Lure wants to see kubuntu theme
[11:49] <Riddell> nixternal awake? Hobbsee?
[11:49] <nixternal> if jpatrick is supporting, I would have to consider -1 :P  but seeing as you all like jpatrick, I guess I will do a +1 :p
[11:49] <nixternal> +1
[11:49] <rouzic> apachelogger: yes ;)
[11:49] <Hobbsee> see LongPointyStick comment
[11:49] <apachelogger> hrrhrr
[11:49] <apachelogger> I love event promo :D
[11:49] <apachelogger> +1 from me
[11:49] <Riddell> ah nixternal, always windind us up like the office joker
[11:50] <Riddell> he'll be doing silly things with the photocopyer next
[11:50] <apachelogger> oioi
[11:50] <Riddell> congratulations and welcome rouzic
[11:50] <apachelogger> congrats rouzic
[11:50] <Lure> rouzic: rock on!
[11:50] <jpatrick> rouzic: bienviendo!
[11:50] <nixternal> hahahaha
[11:50] <Hobbsee> rouzic: -1 from not meeting him in sevilla.
[11:50]  * apachelogger hands out cookies
[11:50] <Riddell> wallpapers is next on the agenda
[11:50] <nixternal> my photocopier is to small to do silly things with
[11:50] <Riddell> everyone have the url?  /msg me if not
[11:50] <jpatrick> Riddell: I don't
[11:50] <nixternal> see /msg
[11:50] <rouzic> riddell: thanks :)
[11:51] <Hobbsee> rouzic: how do you go for ops, etc, in -es?
[11:51] <Riddell> Hobbsee: jpatrick says he's not an irc man
[11:51] <Riddell> and that jpatrick runs #kubuntu-es
[11:51] <Hobbsee> oh.  that's weird, as i've seen him around somewaht :)
[11:51] <Hobbsee> ahhh.  had forgotten that
[11:51] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I have minimumal access, but we both have ops on #kubuntu-es (trying to get the other guy to give more access), I also have ops on #ubuntu-es :p
[11:52] <Hobbsee> right
[11:52] <nixternal> Riddell: are we supposed to take a vote on what we like with the wp's?
[11:52] <Riddell> jpatrick: I can get you whatever access is needed in #kubuntu* channels if a freenode staffer is around
[11:52]  * Hobbsee can too
[11:52] <Riddell> so wallpapers
[11:52] <Riddell> I think the final decision should be taken by kwwii
[11:52] <jpatrick> oh, pretty
[11:52]  * Hobbsee wants occthecodepoet.jpg
[11:52] <Riddell> and it's not limited to the ones here, I just thought since the oxygen team had collected them it would be nice to make use of them
[11:53] <Hobbsee> what's the colour theme for hardy?
[11:53] <Riddell> in my mind a wallpaper should not distract at all and fit in the with colour scheme
[11:53]  * Hobbsee notes that the blue ones don't really do it for her
[11:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: well of course we have both KDE 3 and 4 to consider
[11:53] <Riddell> KDE 3 will be blueish as usual, KDE 4 is a whole new land
[11:53] <mhb> riddell-compliant are not much mhb-compliant here either.
[11:54] <Riddell> the ones in riddell-compliant are the non distracting ones that fit in with KDE 3 in my opinion
[11:54] <nixternal> there are some bubbles i actually like for once in there :)
[11:54] <mhb> the photographic ones tend to be too blurry at higher resolutions
[11:54] <Riddell> of course if you've seen the hoary wallpaper I made, you'll know I'm not always the best at chosing these things
[11:54] <nixternal> I don't like the "KDE 4 Winner" honestly
[11:55] <nixternal> top-left in the riddell-compliant section
[11:55] <Riddell> so once Ken gets back from the US I think we should give him our preferences and he can chose one
[11:55] <mhb> that sounds sensible.
[11:55] <Riddell> '632-img 2760' is my favourite currently
[11:55] <nixternal> does anyone know if he is in the Chicago land area with his folks by chance?
[11:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: mine too
[11:56] <Riddell> nixternal: he hasn't said, but it seems likely
[11:56] <jpatrick> looks fishy
[11:56] <nixternal> that is pretty cool
[11:56] <_StefanS_> Riddell: got an url for that image?
[11:56] <mhb> I like the colour scheme of the Feather wallpaper
[11:56] <nixternal> I will have to try and get in touch with him then since he would be right up the road then
[11:56] <apachelogger> yeah, feather is currently my 2nd fav
[11:57] <apachelogger> though, it might make the whole desktop too darkish
[11:57] <nixternal> my favorite, well it was 282 Colorado Farm, but there are some really nice onces in this list that I haven't seen before
[11:57] <nixternal> I like the fish that Riddell likes, and KDE 4 Wall Ts9 is kind of sharp
[11:57] <Riddell> nixternal: too Windows XP
[11:57] <nixternal> heh
[11:57] <nixternal> but the photo is brilliant :)
[11:57] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I like 479-fresh morning
[11:57] <nixternal> 252 bubbles is kind of neat
[11:57] <Riddell> I'm not much of a fan of photos in general, too distracting
[11:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: your favourite is not in very high quality
[11:58] <mhb> I find the fish too cyan to make a good wallpaper
[11:58]  * LongPointyStick curses compiz
[11:58] <mhb> also it suffers from the "blur at high resolution"
[11:58] <mhb> which is why I don't make photos anymore :o)
[11:59] <nixternal> hehe
[11:59] <nixternal> 160-The Wall is kind of neat
[11:59] <nixternal> OMG
[11:59] <mhb> what I don't like on the Feather is the feather
[11:59] <nixternal> 282 Lake Dillon is beautiful
[11:59]  * txwikinger likes the Colorado Farm too
[11:59] <apachelogger> mhb: replace it with the logo
[11:59] <mhb> but I assume the wallpaper is SVG, so that could be changed if the author agrees
[11:59] <Hobbsee> ah yes, the colorado farm is *nice*
[11:59] <apachelogger> replace the text with Kubuntu
[12:00] <mhb> apachelogger: we don't really like branded wallpapers
[12:00]  * Hobbsee still likes the autumn leaf.
[12:00] <mhb> that's the policy.
[12:00] <apachelogger> mhb: but it looks best :P
[12:01] <Riddell> so last item on the agenda is a related item
[12:01] <nixternal> Hobbsee: autumn leaf == img 3101?
[12:01] <_StefanS_> hmm the only wallpapers that present nicely in highres is the *oxygen* ones (in riddell-compliant)
[12:02] <Riddell> the artwork team want someone to represent Kubuntu
[12:02] <mhb> _StefanS_: the Feather doesn't? :o)
[12:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: erm, no, occthecodepoet.jpg
[12:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: below TheClouds
[12:02] <_StefanS_> mhb: in riddell-compliant
[12:02] <mhb> _StefanS_: ah
[12:02] <mhb> _StefanS_: right
[12:02] <nixternal> oh ya, that is a nice one too
[12:03]  * Hobbsee wonders why it seems that bright desktops seem more distracting than photos
[12:03] <apachelogger> my favs: oxygen, 632 and feather
[12:03] <_StefanS_> mhb: I guess thats the ones we have to choose from
[12:03] <Riddell> any volunteers to represent Kubuntu on the artwork team?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: ooh, yeah.  oxygen is nice
[12:03]  * mhb reads
[12:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i will, if i can get my favorite artwork in :P
[12:04] <nixternal> Riddell: do we have to be good at doing graphics?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> feather.  oh, shudder.
[12:04] <Riddell> nixternal: no I don't think so
[12:04] <nixternal> what all is involved, any ideas?
[12:04] <apachelogger> well, one should have an idea of what is going on in kubuntu artwork I guess ;-)
[12:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: that should be easy
[12:04]  * nixternal would think Ken would represent us :)
[12:04] <_StefanS_> anyone liking those nature photos should definitely check out vplants on deviantart.com
[12:04] <apachelogger> nixternal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[12:04] <Riddell> ken is kindae busy representing everything artwork
[12:05] <apachelogger> pd: List of representative duties:
[12:05] <Riddell> * Be active in the IRC channel
[12:05] <Riddell> * Be active in list
[12:05] <Riddell> * Attend meetings (wherever posible)
[12:05] <nixternal> ahh, I didn't pay attention to that email thing
[12:05] <apachelogger> * Familarity with the structure of their distribution
[12:05] <mhb> nixternal: we need someone kubuntu-biased :o)
[12:05] <nixternal> umm, I don't see artwork, I see derivative team
[12:05]  * Hobbsee wonders where to get the panorama one at higher resolution
[12:05] <apachelogger> nixternal: Subject: Re: Ubuntu Artwork Team
[12:06] <nixternal> ya, but nothing in that email is about artwork
[12:06] <nixternal> Riddell: I was apart of the whole derivatives thing, and never seen much work, so I recently departed from it
[12:07] <Riddell> well if nobody wants to do it, that's ok
[12:07] <Riddell> any other business?
[12:07] <mhb> well I can hang around -artwork if that's it
[12:07] <nixternal> but that team has nothing to do with artwork
[12:07] <nixternal> don't let the subject fool ya :)
[12:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe call for someone on -devel?
[12:08] <mhb> well they have ideas
[12:08] <nixternal> this is an "Ubuntu Derivatives" team for helping distros based off of Ubuntu
[12:08] <steveire> was oxygen1 decided on?
[12:08] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that's what i thought....
[12:08] <apachelogger> steveire: we decided nothing :P
[12:08] <apachelogger> we are just not in a decideful mood I guess
[12:08] <steveire> Ah right. It's a nice one though.
[12:08] <Hobbsee> steveire: uh, no?
[12:09] <nixternal> Riddell: I will work with the Derivatives team
[12:09]  * Hobbsee notes you should all use her old background, for something a bit disturbing :P
[12:10] <Riddell> ok, I think we're done
[12:10] <Riddell> thanks nixternal
[12:10] <nixternal> hahaha, if it is anything like your MySpace page, then heck no!
[12:10] <Riddell> no snogging under the mistletoe
[12:10] <nixternal> no problem
[12:10] <nixternal> damn Riddell, just ruin my Holiday why don't ya :)
[12:10] <apachelogger> -.-
[12:10] <apachelogger> meh
[12:10]  * nixternal returns the 30 pounds of mistletoe
[12:10] <Riddell> next meeting would be on wednesday 2nd jan
[12:10] <mhb> that's what I wanted to do!
[12:10] <mhb> :o(
[12:10] <nixternal> groovy
[12:10] <Hobbsee> nixternal: they took that down.  but good idea!
[12:10] <mhb> okay, looking forward to it
[12:10] <Riddell> oh ok, you can snog under the mistletoe if you want
[12:11] <nixternal> oh no
[12:11] <apachelogger> -.-
[12:11] <nixternal> I just returned it!
[12:11] <nixternal> haha
[12:11] <apachelogger> meh^2
[12:11] <mhb> see you folks, and merry christmas
[12:11] <toma> nice holidays everyone!
[12:12]  * Hobbsee grumbles.  no holidays yet
[12:12] <apachelogger> nice holidays and merry christmas from the Amarok team :)
[20:27]  * Mitsurugi shit all