[00:00] <sourcemaker> ardchoille: I have 2 GB ram :-)
[00:02] <Olof[M]> Um. question not regarding linux or ubuntu.
[00:02] <ardchoille> sourcemaker: Not sure about that, but you might look into cutting down on unnecessary services
[00:02] <Olof[M]> Is it bad to have your monitor next to a TV? Mine is flickering alot..
[00:02] <sourcemaker> ardchoille: ok thanks
[00:02] <Artimus> Olof[M]: I'm not sure, but in any case, it's always annoyed me enough to find a way to separate them.
[00:03] <Olof[M]> Artimus: so it's a given fact the monitor won't work good next to a tv?
[00:03] <sourcemaker> Artimus: my pc is working fine... next to the tv
[00:04] <Olof[M]> not the pc. the monitor
[00:04] <Olof[M]> side to side, old CRT ones.
[00:05] <Artimus> Depends on the frequency of both the monitor and TV.  Basically, I'd recommend moving it because it's annoying to have the picture flicker...  No idea if it's actual damage.
[00:05] <Olof[M]> ok
[00:05] <Artimus> I'm not a fan of things dancing around on my desktop.  Compiz annoys me for this reason...  Flicker does the same thing...
[00:07] <Olof[M]> I'm a fan of having things dancing around my desktop..
[00:07] <Thingus> Compiz can be very elegant if you spend the time configuring it.
[00:07] <Thingus> I have a rather professional-looking desktop for my PC, right now.
[00:08] <Artimus> I've come to a set of settings that I like...  They will not change until Kde4, probably
[00:10] <Coldwar55> Does anyone know if the Open Source Radeon drivers runs Compiz/AIGLX decently?
[00:11]  * tolecnal throws kde and keytouch out the window and realises that he has to do this manually
[00:11] <DeadJones> anyone else having problems with mountconfig?
[00:11] <DeadJones> i cant load the disk and file systems module / mountconfig
[00:12] <pros922> how do I get a list of all ubuntu channels on freenode?
[00:21] <tehm0nk> how can i easily find a file that i know the name of but not where it is?
[00:21] <DaSkreech> tehm0nk: Search :)
[00:22] <DaSkreech> PriceChild: sounds painful
[00:22] <tehm0nk> DaSkreech: i was hoping for a terminal command?
[00:22] <DaSkreech> tehm0nk: you want to locate something ?
[00:25] <DaSkreech> tehm0nk: try locate :)
[00:27] <x_link> Hi!
[00:27] <DaSkreech> !Hi
[00:27] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[00:28] <x_link> I just upgraded my nvidia-version, the kernel was upgraded to I think.
[00:28] <x_link> DaSkreech: Thanks =)
[00:28] <x_link> But now my sound doesn't work.
[00:28] <x_link> I use a onboard soundcard.
[00:28] <x_link> Can somebody please help me with this+
[00:28] <x_link> ?
[00:29] <tolecnal> as frustrating this is, I guess I'll be able to live with this minor annoyance
[00:29] <x_link> Can somebody please help me?
[00:29] <tehm0nk> x_link: nforce motherboard?
[00:29] <biovore> probably intel HD sound :-)
[00:30] <tehm0nk> probably Nforce HD sound :-P
[00:30] <tehm0nk> lol
[00:30] <biovore> I noticed that the generic kernel on amd64 dosn't ahve the intel HD sound driver compile from some reason..
[00:30] <tehm0nk> i wonder if ... his volumn is just turned down like mine was...
[00:30] <x_link> tehm0nk: Yes.
[00:30] <x_link> tehm0nk: Abit KN9S nForce 550 AM2.
[00:30] <DaSkreech> !sound
[00:30] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[00:31] <DaSkreech> tolecnal: Problems?
[00:32] <x_link> DaSkreech: It's not that.
[00:32] <tolecnal> DaSkreech: short version; special keys (multimedia), dell keyboard. adjusts master volume, rather than PCM. can't find where to change the default KDE behaviour, tried with keytouch too, which does nothing (not even with a manual amixer command, and a custom defined keyboard using keytouch-editor).
[00:32] <x_link> I have a red thing over my speaker next to the clock.
[00:33] <DaSkreech> tolecnal: Ah I had that problem till just before gutsy went final and something fixed it and apprently broke multimedia keys for everyone else  :(
[00:33] <DaSkreech> x_link: Mute?
[00:33] <x_link> http://www.speedyshare.com/137373901.html
[00:33] <x_link> DaSkreech: Not that either.
[00:33] <x_link> I tried that.
[00:33] <DaSkreech> k
[00:33] <x_link> =/
[00:34] <tolecnal> DaSkreech: you know what causes it? and is there a workaround? I hate such minor issues, when I know the cause, but not the solution
[00:35] <DaSkreech> tolecnal: No but #ubuntu-devel might shed some light they would be the packagers
[00:35] <DaSkreech> Oh wait no it's KDE keys
[00:35] <\dEAD> the module disk and file systems could not be loaded ... ive searched everywhere for a fix to this. seems lots of ppl have this problem, yet no fix
[00:37] <x_link> So nobody can help me with my sound-problem?
[00:39] <tehm0nk> x_link: i can't remember the command to check sound settings
[00:39] <Coldwar55> Has ANYONE used the 7.12 Drivers?
[00:40] <x_link> Okej
[00:43] <DaSkreech> tehm0nk: alsamixer
[00:44] <tehm0nk> DaSkreech: he left...
[00:44] <DaSkreech> tehm0nk: Ah well :) at least now you know
[00:45] <DaSkreech> tehm0nk: Still online though I could message him ....
[00:45] <DaSkreech> I have to run though
[00:45] <tehm0nk> but it wasn't that that i was thinking about either
[00:45] <tehm0nk> there is something that you can type in terminal
[00:45] <tehm0nk> to show sound settings or something
[00:46] <tehm0nk> not a mixer
[00:50] <firecrotch> tehm0nk-f00d:  amixer ?
[00:58] <dettoaltrimenti> i installed the flash-nonfree package, but youtube videos still won't play. what am I doing wrong?
[01:00] <crimsun> are you using gutsy or hardy?
[01:00] <dettoaltrimenti> gutsy
[01:01] <\dEAD> i found it!  finally!
[01:01] <crimsun> dettoaltrimenti: that's likely due to the md5sum mismatch.  Use the hardy package.
[01:01] <\dEAD> if you get the error for Disk & File systems that some 3rd party crap, that it cant run,  .. do you have an ipod connected?  disconnect it and VIOLA it works again
[01:02] <crimsun> dettoaltrimenti: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.115.0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[01:02] <dettoaltrimenti> thanks crimsun
[01:02] <dettoaltrimenti> can i install that straight from the command line? sudo apt-get install http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.115.0ubuntu2_i386.deb ??
[01:02] <\dEAD> u dont know how happy i am.  was thinking i was gonna have to reisntall from scratch.
[01:03] <DaSkreech> Very few reasons to do that
[01:03] <DaSkreech> There is one though
[01:03] <DaSkreech> KDE4! :)
[01:03]  * DaSkreech dances
[01:07] <Dr_willis> dettoaltrimenti,  apt-get dosent work that way. You could grab the file with wget, then use dpkg -i thepackage.deb
[01:08] <Dr_willis> dettoaltrimenti,  but i think that package actually downloads the actual file.
[01:13] <tolecnal> Okay, I've tried now with both keytocuh and klineakconfig/lineakd to get my keyboard special keys to function, but they they "fail" to work. Meaning, KDE takes control over the keys and their use. They keys are not defined in xmodmap, so I'm at a real loss as to where KDE configures these keys as I can't find them under keyboard layout in kcontrol either.
[01:14] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Quick question about that
[01:14] <crimsun> DaSkreech: "that" being?
[01:15] <DaSkreech> crimsun: What binds the multimedia keys to a channel in the mixer
[01:15] <crimsun> DaSkreech: depends.  It can be exposed via acpi or directly in the driver.
[01:15] <DaSkreech> for a while in the Gutsy run up when I pressed the multimedia vol Up/Dn buttons it was moving something other than my master and I couldn't figure how to bind them back to the master chan
[01:16] <hydrogen> right click on kmix
[01:16] <hydrogen> choose set master channel
[01:16] <DaSkreech> hydrogen: that worked for the mousewheel but not the keys
[01:16] <DaSkreech> the keys still moved whatever channel
[01:16] <tolecnal> hydrogen: in my case, that doesn't work. it still uses master channel, even if I set it to 'PCM'
[01:17] <hydrogen> check out kmilo then
[01:17] <DaSkreech> it suddenly flipped back to correct a week before gutsy shipped but I never got what made them do that
[01:27] <tolecnal> hydrogen: after I stopped kmilo, it worked (had to restart KDE though, since stopping kmilo also effectivly stopped the keyboard for some reason)
[01:27] <tolecnal> hydrogen: you are officially my hero of the day.. thanks, and thanks to the others who beared with me
[01:30] <tehm0nk-f00d> is there a way to only show the buttons on the taskbar of the windows on THAT desktop only?
[01:31] <intelikey> yes
[01:31] <intelikey> right click and configure kicker
[01:31] <Dr_willis> you have to right click in the right place to get the right config menu. :) i recall...
[01:31] <intelikey> the 'show windows from all desktops' box,  detic it.
[01:32] <Dr_willis> Configure Panel --> Taskbar --> at the bottom
[01:32] <Dr_willis> Oh wait thats not it..  where was it
[01:32] <Dr_willis> X box's at the top. :)
[01:33] <Dr_willis> Aha! thats where you enable that window list button! :)
[01:33] <markus__> max
[01:34] <tehm0nk-f00d> ?
[01:34] <tehm0nk-f00d> no that isn't what i mean...
[01:34] <tehm0nk-f00d> i mean... i have 4 virtual desktops...
[01:34] <tehm0nk-f00d> if i switch to other desktops... the same buttons are there
[01:35] <tehm0nk-f00d> it makes almost no sense to me why the buttons would be there...
[01:35]  * intelikey wonders what a button is
[01:35] <Dr_willis> I perfer it that way.
[01:36] <Dr_willis> Same buttons? you are refering to the 'buttons' showing the running apps?
[01:37] <tehm0nk-f00d> Yes.
[01:37] <Dr_willis> I have 2 desktops. one has xchat, and firefox, #2 has vi amd a terminal.
[01:37] <Dr_willis> with that Check box at the top iof the settings. I ONLY see the  vi/term buttons when i am on desktop 2
[01:37] <Dr_willis> i see xchat and others on desktop 1 when i am on #1
[01:37] <tehm0nk-f00d> and you click them to switch
[01:37] <tehm0nk-f00d> nifty...
[01:37] <tehm0nk-f00d> whats the point in that.
[01:38] <Dr_willis> to change to vi from xchat  i have to go to desktop #2, Then click on the vi button.
[01:38] <Dr_willis> which i dont like.
[01:38] <Dr_willis> I have the panel thing show them all. :)
[01:38] <tehm0nk-f00d> to me... if you have 1 desktop with multiple things on there
[01:38] <tehm0nk-f00d> that are maximized
[01:38]  * intelikey wonders how that is in any way better than just running them in one desktop...
[01:39] <tehm0nk-f00d> haveing 1 desktop with all the icons on it, it LITERALLY the same as 4 desktops with all them maximized on each...
[01:39] <tehm0nk-f00d> i mean you could even Alt tab easier
[01:39] <tehm0nk-f00d> with 1 desktop
[01:39] <Dr_willis> I tend to use all my apps maxamized anyway. so  the only time i make use a 2nd dekstop is if i have sevral terms, or file manager windows laied out in a way i want to keep
[01:40] <Dr_willis> so #1 has all my maxed apps. #2 has like 2 terms side by side, and a file manager.
[01:40] <tehm0nk> i would like to be able to use differant virtual desktops to do differant sets of things...
[01:40] <Dr_willis> just getting people to Maxamize their apps seems like a THing i am Constantly Hammerign into 'beginners' when i teach them the desktop basics...
[01:40] <tehm0nk> like web windows/text stuff/wine for stuff i'm doing on one thing... and on a differant desktop whatever else like chatting programs or whatnot
[01:41] <Dr_willis> they are looking/scrolling this ittby window all the time.. im like wanting to slap them in the head.. 'use the max button fool!' :)
[01:41] <tehm0nk> but the deal is... having all the running application buttons on the taskbar just creats clutter.
[01:41] <Dr_willis> Then set it to not show them.
[01:41] <Dr_willis> I want them seen. so i can switch easier. You dont..   theres a setting that makes us both happy
[01:42]  * intelikey doesn't do desktops.
[01:42] <tehm0nk> Dr_willis: appearantly LOTS of mac folks dont really minimize they're apps
[01:42] <tehm0nk> and right now... konversation isn't maximized either lol
[01:42] <Dr_willis> lots of mac folks are... well.. we wont go there..
[01:42] <tehm0nk> intelikey: why not?
[01:42] <tehm0nk> yeah well i agree there tho Dr_willis
[01:42] <Dr_willis> With 2 wide screen monitors. I dont use virtual desktops much any more these days'
[01:43] <Dr_willis> I got conky running on monitor #2. and a terminal  . and thats about all. :) other monitor is my main workspace.
[01:43] <Dr_willis> then i got MythTV on the tv out.
[01:43] <Dr_willis> Oh wait. thats 3 monitors..
[01:43] <tehm0nk> wind0ws >linux > mac (Until, they figure out direct rendering and whatnot so things like Photoshop... etc)
[01:43] <intelikey> tehm0nk i just grew away from the gui.
[01:44] <Dr_willis> I cant say that i have a need for Photoshop.. sorry.
[01:44] <tehm0nk> yeah i have 2 monitors 2
[01:44] <tehm0nk> too
[01:44] <Dr_willis> This years Must have thing/app/tool is next years... 'i rember using that ages ago'.. :)
[01:44] <intelikey> !dualhead
[01:44] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[01:44] <Dr_willis> I rember when Mac's  'hypercard' was the big deal.
[01:45] <tehm0nk> well there is a million things linux *can not* do that i would like it to...
[01:45] <Dr_willis> Then there was the Desktop Publishing stuff..
[01:45] <tehm0nk> Autodesk Inventor
[01:45] <intelikey> Dr_willis ^5  :)
[01:45] <mrtimbo> hi
[01:45] <tehm0nk> would be one
[01:45] <tehm0nk> and Mastercam, not sure if that would run either
[01:45] <Dr_willis> it could do it. IF the companies would write the software.. thats not linux's fault.. but this discussion is heading to a pointless argument.. so. Im going to go play with the grandson. :)
[01:45] <Dr_willis> Get him all hyped up on cookies befor he has to go home.
[01:46] <tehm0nk> there is tons of things in my life that hold me from full linux-ization :-P
[01:46] <intelikey> mrtimbo just jump right in.   these guys will get back on topic if you ask a question
[01:46] <mrtimbo> im just here to listen, its been a while since i have been in here
[01:46] <Dr_willis> Hay mrtimbo
[01:46] <mrtimbo> hey
[01:47] <Dr_willis> Same old stuff. :)
[01:47] <mrtimbo> kool
[01:47] <Dr_willis> whats the latest Kubuntu.ubuntu news.. lets see.. flash ahs been causing people fits...
[01:47] <tehm0nk> LOL thats hilarious about the grandson
[01:47] <mrtimbo> what is flash doing?
[01:47] <Dr_willis> and wasent there somthing screwy with the last batch of updates? somthing with grub breaking?
[01:47] <mrtimbo> works fine here
[01:47] <tehm0nk> ahs?
[01:47] <tehm0nk> and flash movies ?
[01:47] <tehm0nk> FLV?
[01:47] <Dr_willis> mrtimbo,  they updated, and i think they dident fix the md5 file. so that confused the installer.
[01:48] <mrtimbo> ahh
[01:48] <Dr_willis> but it hasent affected me.  so havent paid attentioon. :()
[01:48] <mrtimbo> so how is the second alpha release ?
[01:48] <mrtimbo> i seen it on distrowatch
[01:48] <tolecnal> yup, that's the problem. easy to fix, though, what I find funny is that even though the installer fails, apt still sees the package as installed :)
[01:49] <Dr_willis> I also saw some news that the New Dell Linux machines come with Ubuntu that has the Nvidia drivers, and dvd playback allready installed/included
[01:49] <intelikey> tolecnal nothing odd about that.   as far as apt is concerned it is.
[01:49] <intelikey> tolecnal all apt is installing is a script.   the script is there.
[01:50] <Smurf-Slayer> If my desktop configuration shows I'm at 1024x768, and the bar won't go to the right, how do I know that ubuntu knows that is as high as it will go?  I'm sure it will go higher?
[01:50] <tolecnal> intelikey: well, I can see your point. but you would think there would be some error check involved :)
[01:50] <intelikey> one might say that apt installs the flash installer.
[01:50] <tehm0nk> wait...
[01:50] <tehm0nk> dell sells linux boxes?
[01:50] <intelikey> tehm0nk yes
[01:51] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  yes. :) have for like.. 6 mo?
[01:51] <Dr_willis> they recently started releasing Gutsy Based ones.
[01:51] <tehm0nk> which means they support linux? as in customer support?
[01:51] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  i belive so..
[01:51] <mrtimbo> yeah
[01:51] <Dr_willis> Not that i can understand what 'support' ever actually does. :P
[01:51] <tehm0nk> must be nice to learn linuz with uber support?
[01:51] <Dr_willis> You dont call up dell and ask how to mount your ipod do ya? :)
[01:51] <Smurf-Slayer> Hi Dr Willis
[01:51] <mrtimbo> support = please restart your computer and refer to manual
[01:51] <intelikey> Dr_willis that's the guy that points you to this channel isn't it ?
[01:52] <tehm0nk> uhm... sometimes you really need someones attention to really get a problem fixed
[01:52] <tehm0nk> and i hate to say it
[01:52] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  also news check out the 400+ Page FREE ubuntu book at -------->  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training
[01:52] <tehm0nk> but i'm on Kubuntu cause... #ubuntu was just NUTS.
[01:52] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  I think so. :)
[01:52] <Dr_willis> I tend to RTFM. :) and google and read...
[01:52]  * intelikey pets his dell pinguin
[01:52] <Dr_willis> Step #1 - learn how to learn, and research the problems.
[01:53] <Dr_willis> I may get a Dell laptop for my next laptop.
[01:53] <Dr_willis> but my current one is doing ok.
[01:53] <downix> Dr_willis:  I wouldn't.  We bought one, it had the power regulator die
[01:53] <Dr_willis> I hate to buy a laptop with out actually see/feeling it in the store.
[01:53] <tehm0nk> i try to read as much as possible i'm not that bad with computers actually...
[01:53] <downix> $400 for the part, which is not covered under warranty
[01:53] <tehm0nk> built the last 4 that i've owned, the last one was twin loop water cooled...
[01:53] <Dr_willis> downix,  given how complex pc's are these days.. im suprused any of them last more then a month.
[01:54] <mrtimbo> I have an acer that i bought at walmart for 700, it had vista home premium, I dual booted for a while and when gusty came out i just erased it and only have kubuntu now
[01:54] <downix> Dr_willis: And yet, my Amiga and Commodore are still chugging....
[01:54] <Dr_willis> for every company that makes anything.. you can  proberly find a few lemons...
[01:54] <Dr_willis> downix,  i have a few of those as well. :)
[01:54] <tehm0nk> but my recent problems, even google was spitting garbage about dual videocard setups
[01:54] <Dr_willis> dual video cards? or a single card with 2 video outs? :) 2 video outs is easy.
[01:54] <downix> Dr_willis: I'm trying to get AROS onto a SPARC, to see what the SPARCmiga would have felt like.  (Sun tried to license the Amiga in 1990)
[01:55] <intelikey> mrtimbo yeah shame you can't get your 300 back that went to the vesta license
[01:55] <tehm0nk> yeah 2 8600GTs
[01:55] <Dr_willis> downix,  i think everone tried to do everything to the amiga back then.. and well.. lets say that i still cry at times over it all. :)
[01:55] <mrtimbo> no kidding
[01:55] <tehm0nk> and heh i had fun figuring out to NOT use the nvidia-glx drivers... but the -new ones...
[01:56] <downix> Dr_willis: Indeed.  Sun, DEC and HP to name 3 I know off the top of my head.
[01:56] <Dr_willis> using 2 8600's with a monitor on each?  Or trying 2 monitors on each? dont they have dual dvi outs?
[01:56] <Dr_willis> downix,  and every so often you hear of the amiga revival.. and .. well. it never happens.
[01:57] <downix> Dr_willis: The Amiga community has given up on corporate revivals.  The OS is cloned, and now the hardware is too.
[01:57] <tehm0nk> yes
[01:57] <tehm0nk> dual outs
[01:57] <tehm0nk> but...
[01:57] <Dr_willis> downix,  i do recall some  "OS" that was a lot like the amiga OS. but ran on top of a primary OS.   But i can never rember its name. :) it even had things like diskname: and stuff: and lib:
[01:57] <tehm0nk> 1 on each
[01:57] <tehm0nk> i *could* quad monitor... but uh nty
[01:58] <downix> Dr_willis: AROS, and it's now native on x86 and PowerPC.
[01:58] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  what are you doing that actually needs that much video card? :)
[01:58] <tehm0nk> actually....
[01:58] <Dr_willis> downix,  it used to be non-native? perhaps tahts what im thinking of.
[01:58] <tehm0nk> Dual monitor setups and gaming SUCK unless you dual card...
[01:58] <tehm0nk> i Doubled my FPS in wow by putting in the second and putting the other screen on it...
[01:59] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  im trying to think of any games that actually support dial moniotrs.. but then again. I dont do MMORPGS..
[01:59] <tehm0nk> (i actually bought it to do SLI until i found you CANT SLI + dual monitor)
[01:59] <downix> Dr_willis: Yes, it still can run hosted on Linux as well.  A lot of people run it that way for compiling.  http://www.aros.org
[01:59] <tehm0nk> lol
[01:59] <tehm0nk> the point isn't have dual monitors for the GAME
[01:59] <downix> I loved my triple monitor Doom setup
[01:59] <tehm0nk> but ... one monitor for stuff like thottbot.com to look up quests and stuff haha
[02:00] <tehm0nk> wth triple doom?
[02:00] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  Hmm thotbot.. an stuff.. I rember why i quit wow now.
[02:00] <intelikey> triple doom 3D ?
[02:00] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  I do know a lot of people that have a 2nd pc just for that stuff. :)
[02:00] <tehm0nk> why's that?
[02:00] <downix> tehm0nk: You could network 3 systems together, and have each of them running the same game, but one looking forward, one right and one left, gave you a 270 degree field of view.
[02:00] <Dr_willis> everquest addicts with 5 pc's in one room.
[02:01] <tehm0nk> yeah my buddy said... "I'm gonna but a really cheap lap-top and name it 'Thottbot'"
[02:01] <tehm0nk> i about died laughing...
[02:01] <intelikey> Dr_willis i resemble that remark !
[02:01] <downix> Um....
[02:01]  * downix looks at his setup
[02:01] <downix> 2 PC's, 2 SPARCs and a C64.....
[02:02] <intelikey> downix yeah.  you hold him and i'll kick him.
[02:02] <downix> hehehe
[02:02] <downix> not counting the 3rd PC I use as a DVD player
[02:03] <intelikey> or the gateway that serves as a router
[02:03] <downix> forgot that one
[02:03] <haskear> why does firefox lock up so often? :(
[02:03]  * intelikey was talking about his own...
[02:03] <downix> hehe
[02:04] <intelikey> haskear cause it's junk ?
[02:04] <Alchera> g'day ... started receiving an interesting message when i run  ksystemlog >> You do not have sufficient permissions to read '/var/log/syslog'
[02:04] <Alchera> was ok until last night
[02:04] <haskear> intelikey it never does it on xp
[02:05] <intelikey> haskear no it's xp that crashes insteed.
[02:05] <intelikey> no i really don't know.
[02:06] <cyberlounge> ???
[02:06] <intelikey> Alchera did you update any software sense ?
[02:06] <cyberlounge> hay alguien?
[02:06] <Alchera> installed NUT is that's any help .. a nighmare as well lol
[02:06] <ardchoille> !es | cyberlounge
[02:06] <ubotu> cyberlounge: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[02:07] <Alchera> but nothing should really have caused it
[02:08] <Alchera> currently perms etc are root:root -rw-r
[02:08] <intelikey> Alchera -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 519637 Dec 14 20:36 /mnt/hda2/var/log/syslog <<< looks like it's naturally readable.   what's yours ?
[02:09] <intelikey> Alchera you mean   -rw-r-----  ?
[02:10] <LjL> intelikey: -rw-r----- is what it ought to be
[02:10] <intelikey> LjL i haven't altered that one.
[02:10] <intelikey> that's ubuntu default
[02:10] <LjL> intelikey: well, it's like that here
[02:10] <intelikey> dapper release
[02:10] <LjL> intelikey: mine is an upgrade from Edgy though
[02:10] <LjL> ah. uhm
[02:11] <ardchoille> Mine is a Guts install (no upgrade) -rw-r----- 1 syslog adm 2.9K 2007-12-22 17:53 /var/log/syslog
[02:11] <ardchoille> *Gutsy
[02:11] <Alchera> mine allows owner & group to read
[02:11] <intelikey> LjL and judging by his complaint. i'd say his was -rw-r--r--  until yesterday
[02:12] <intelikey> Alchera wait.  look at the ownership. ardchoille's example.
[02:12] <intelikey> that would let adm group read it.
[02:13] <Alchera> syslog adm
[02:13] <intelikey> check your groups
[02:13] <Alchera> am using fiesty
[02:13] <Alchera> i have root & adm in my list of thingies
[02:14] <intelikey> "list of thingies" ?     groups ?
[02:14] <Alchera> groups lol
[02:14] <Alchera> sorry .. that was meant for dalnet
[02:15] <intelikey> oh it's a dalnet thang    i C++
[02:15] <Dr_willis> dalnet people cant handle the high-tech-terms. :)
[02:15] <Alchera> adm:x:4:alchera admin:x:118:alchera root:x:0:alchera
[02:15] <Alchera> i use "thingie" a lot on there lol
[02:16]  * intelikey refers to the pointy clicky thingy   some times...
[02:16] <Alchera> hahaha
[02:17] <ardchoille> Alchera: Why are you in root's group?
[02:17] <Dr_willis> PC 101 Class: 'use the Mouse thinngie with your hand thinggie. and your finger thinggie to thinggye the mouse'
[02:17] <Alchera> i actually have no idea LOL
[02:17] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: You missed a "whatsit"
[02:17] <Alchera> i am assuming something screwed when adding nut group user to myself and root
[02:18] <intelikey> yep
[02:18]  * Dr_willis puts the mouse on the floor and uses it as a Pedal.
[02:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:18] <ardchoille> Alchera: What was the exact comand you used for that?
[02:18] <Alchera> adduser root nut
[02:19] <intelikey> sure it wasn't addgroup ?
[02:19] <Alchera> finding an enlightened how-to for that program was a dead end
[02:19] <Alchera> i'll check
[02:19] <intelikey> grep root ~/.bash_history
[02:20] <Dr_willis> !info nut
[02:20] <ubotu> nut: The core system of the nut - Network UPS Tools. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.5-3ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1066 kB, installed size 2584 kB
[02:20] <intelikey> that assumes bash but in ubuntu it's a fairly safe assumption
[02:20] <Alchera> adduser root nut
[02:20] <Alchera> i never picked that up
[02:21] <Alchera> i just checked the page i followed .. same >> adduser
[02:23] <Alchera> but i then started again using the official docs ... and it seems i may not have undone a couple of things
[02:23] <intelikey> if i'm understanding the man page  "adduser root nut"  would add the root user with the nut group !   ( adduser [options] user group )
[02:24] <Alchera> yup
[02:24] <intelikey> which is not what you wan't.   root already existed
[02:24] <Alchera> tell me about it lol
[02:24] <happytiger> which channel do I ask kde4 kubuntu related questions??
[02:25] <intelikey> happytiger this one prolly.  but not me.
[02:25] <happytiger> lol
[02:25] <happytiger> Oki
[02:25] <happytiger> So here we go
[02:25] <Alchera> ok ... i do need the nut user & group .. and have added the nut group to myself
[02:27] <happytiger> In KDE4 rc2 kubuntu i use nvidia-settings to change the resolution of my screen to 1600x1200 but it is stuck at 1280x1024. If i switch it using nvidia-settings it changes resolution but only the 12080x1034 part of the screen has the desktop the rest of the areas is grey and when I drag windoiws there they garble
[02:28] <intelikey> i have always just used   useradd   which predates adduser and is standardized
[02:28] <Alchera> k.. just removed root from me (not sure how that got there anyway)
[02:28] <happytiger> Even saving asking nvidia-setttings to save /etc/X11/org.conf and reboot renders me back in 1280x1024
[02:29] <intelikey> you don't typo as much when actually doing the configurating do you ?    if so then that's the problem.
[02:29] <intelikey> @ happytiger
[02:30] <happytiger> lol
[02:30] <intelikey> 12080x1034 two there... /etc/X11/org.conf one there...
[02:30] <intelikey> there are more.
[02:31]  * intelikey is or at least was typo king in here.  
[02:31] <happytiger> i removed all other resolutions other than 1600x1200 from my xorg.conf
[02:31] <intelikey> i'll have to abdocate if you stay...
[02:31] <happytiger> and rebootet
[02:31] <intelikey>            ^
[02:31] <happytiger> lol
[02:32] <intelikey> happytiger and the results were ?
[02:33] <happytiger> 1280x1024  and 1600x1200
[02:34] <intelikey> LjL or Dr_willis you guys help this fellow.
[02:34] <intelikey> i'm way to out of date with the LTS to help on a gutsy
[02:34] <happytiger> Also one other thing bugs me. I fuxored the colour settings of my good old kde 3.5.8 gutsy ... So if I want clean slate on it for my user can I just delte ~/.kde dir completly to get rid of all old setting? And then login again and kde will generate new .kde with standard settings?????
[02:35] <intelikey> happytiger yes and no.  you need to nuke ~/.kderc  also i think
[02:35] <Alchera> think it's all solved ... set syslog (and its archives) >> -rw-r--r--  root root
[02:35] <uoaphys> wtf i wonder why they didn't put all of it in ~/.etc
[02:36] <happytiger> oki so kille those to and it will generate all new default when I login again?
[02:36] <intelikey> Alchera that's what dappers was naturally
[02:36] <happytiger> to = two
[02:36] <intelikey> Alchera so it shouldn't cause any problem.
[02:36] <Alchera> unless it develops a mind of its' own lol
[02:36] <intelikey> happytiger yes.
[02:36] <happytiger> :-) lol thx
[02:37] <intelikey> Alchera that's called   "just works"  in the ubuntu realmn
[02:37] <Alchera> :)
[02:38] <Alchera> and dmesg | tail shows that i (apparently) have NUT setup properly
[02:38] <Alchera> [18382.780000] usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 6
[02:38] <Alchera> [18382.960000] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[02:38] <Alchera> [20207.688000] usb 1-2: usbfs: interface 0 claimed by usbfs while 'bcmxcp_usb' sets config #1
[02:38] <happytiger> So how soon does one dare to switch to Kubuntu Hardy Alpha 2 does it still crash daily or far along is it?
[02:39] <intelikey> crap. shots fired.
[02:40] <BluesKaj> 'evening all
[02:40] <happytiger> :-)
[02:40] <mrtimbo> i think they have a live disk happytiger
[02:46] <ctothej> I want to set up a RAID 1 volume for Media that can be read/written to in a multi-boot environment. Is this possible with software based RAID? Is fakeRAID the way to go? I have RAID capability in my mobo (not full hardware managed RAID though).
[03:07] <clintc_home> When I start konqueror, I get two blank tabs... anyone know how to get back to the default behavior?
[03:07] <purpleposeidon> hallo, how do I change what command is run when my laptop runs out of battery?
[03:10] <sfears> where do i set up display thru my svideo cable?
[03:10] <BluesKaj> sfears, in or out ?
[03:11] <sfears> out
[03:11] <sfears> tv display
[03:11] <purpleposeidon> sfears: have you looked in system settings?
[03:12] <Alchera> clintc_home: tried resetting your view?
[03:12] <sfears> which system setting?
[03:13] <clintc_home> Alchera: no...how do I go about doing that?
[03:13] <Alchera> you don't have a menu at the top ?
[03:13] <clintc_home> Alchera: yes, there is a menu at the top
[03:14] <Alchera> click on View
[03:14] <giuseppe> Hi, can I use kopete to connect myself with msn contacts????
[03:14] <Alchera> yes
[03:15] <clintc_home> Alchera: ok, what next
[03:15] <Alchera> try view mode clintc_home .. fiddle and see what happens
[03:15] <sparr> since installing the mythbuntu packages (which i never managed to get working), i have mythbuntu startup and shutdown and login screens.  how can i get my kubuntu stuff back?
[03:15] <Alchera> if all that fails just simply delete .kde/share/apps/konqueror
[03:16] <giuseppe> Alchera: I have a problem when I try to connect with my msn profile
[03:16] <Alchera> and restart konqueror
[03:16] <sparr> giuseppe: yes
[03:16] <Alchera> i use Kopete with msn & icq .. no dramas
[03:16] <giuseppe> sparr: can you help me?
[03:17] <sparr> giuseppe: tools, settings, accounts, new, MSN Messenger, your msn account info
[03:17] <giuseppe> sparr: already done, but when I try to launch kopete appears a form
[03:17] <giuseppe> sparr: The application 'kopete' has requested access to the open wallet 'kdewallet'.
[03:18] <clintc_home> Alchera: we are on to something here... when trying to view with khtml I get an error message that says: Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Unknown protocol ".
[03:18] <giuseppe> sparr: what does it means?
[03:18] <sparr> giuseppe: it means your msn password was stored in your kde wallet.  most kde apps store passwords there.  its probably asking for the wallet password?
[03:18] <clintc_home> Alchera: given that do you still recommend the delete
[03:19] <tl2686> hey all
[03:19] <se7en> somebody know how i can check if the build in bluetooth on my laptop is realy started because i can't see my nokia phone with bluetooth2
[03:19] <Alchera> i think it might be an idea clintc_home ... you're not deleting konqueror itself
[03:19] <tl2686> googled this question with no luck:
[03:20] <sfears> is there an nvidia system setting somewhere to change svideo settings?
[03:20] <sparr> se7en: id start with lspci and lsusb
[03:20] <giuseppe> sparr: I see. But then appears: the KDE crash handler
[03:20] <se7en> sparr: i used lspci | grep blue* with no luck
[03:21] <tl2686> If I back up files from a virus infected windoze box (pics, music, word files...) and then install kubuntu on said box and copy those files over....
[03:21] <sparr> giuseppe: thats bad.  try searching ubuntu bugs on kopete, then try kde's own bug tracker, then id suggest #kde
[03:21] <giuseppe> sparr: the application kopete crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV
[03:21] <tl2686> am I risking damage to the external or the linux box?
[03:21] <sparr> tl2686: no
[03:22] <sparr> tl2686: afaik, no non-executable virus forms on windows are a danger on linux
[03:24] <tl2686> sparr:  Sweet!  Thanks!  I'm setting up a buntu box for my father.  FINALLY convinced him to try *nix...
[03:25] <sparr> cool
[03:25] <se7en> why do i get d-kined or k-lined in allmost all chat rooms including #kubuntu when i connect my laptop with my moblie phone using it as a gprs modem
[03:25] <sparr> se7en: you don't get "d-lined" or "k-lined" from rooms.  those terms apply to whole servers.  and you should read the messages.
[03:27] <BluesKaj> se7en, you may be flooding the server with unwanted data thet is seen as spam
[03:27] <Alchera> there's actually a reason for that se7en which escapes me atm .. chat to an ircop
[03:27] <se7en> sparr yes sorry server the massage is you are d-lined trying to reconect and that goes on for ever ... no problem here with adsl
[03:28] <clintc_home> Alchera: ok, I can see this is a settings directory for konq... when you say delete it do you mean the whole directory or the contents of the directory 'konqueror'
[03:29] <se7en> Alchera: where would i find a ircop for this kubuntu
[03:29] <BluesKaj> delete konq and you delete kubuntu-desktop
[03:29] <BluesKaj> it all goes
[03:29] <purpleposeidon> se7en: #freenode
[03:29] <Alchera> se7en: freenode ircop
[03:29] <purpleposeidon> se7en: be nice. :P
[03:30] <se7en> :)
[03:30] <Alchera> it's possibly something to do with identd .. you should read the message
[03:30] <sparr> se7en: its possible the entire isp is blocked.  probable, even
[03:30] <clintc_home> BluesKaj: we are talking about deleting .kde/share/apps/konqueror not konq itself
[03:31] <Alchera> clintc_home: it's only a data folder .. just close konqueror .. delete that directory and reload
[03:31] <BluesKaj> clintc_home, good
[03:31] <Alchera> it then should be ok
[03:31] <BluesKaj> just checking
[03:31] <clintc_home> Alchera: ok... here goes
[03:31] <Alchera> i have to do it with amarok when it screws up .. and tbird
[03:32] <sparr> Alchera: i havent had to delete a settings folder in over 2 years, using kubuntu and before that debian+kde...  you should look into why they are getting screwed up
[03:33] <Alchera> amarok once (so far) and it's apparently not abnormal ... tbird soon as it does have dramas according to what i have read
[03:33] <sparr> ive had a similar problem with tbird on windows, but never on linux
[03:34] <clintc_home> Alchera: that did fix it.. one other thing that I was hoping would get fixed along with this but did not... when I click a link in konversation I get a bouncing konq icon, processor maxes out, konq eventually dies
[03:34] <Alchera> current "problem" is it crashes when doing a hyperlink in an email
[03:34] <Alchera> i don't use konversation clintc_home .. so i really have no idea
[03:35] <clintc_home> I think this would be links from anywhere but I'm not sure
[03:35] <Alchera> maybe make sure that another instance isn't still running ?
[03:35] <nitefire> .
[03:35] <inaety> hello, for some reason amaroK started saying that my sound device is busy and there are xine parameters.  how can i fix this without rebooting
[03:36] <clintc_home> Alchera: no.. this works fine on my computer at work... seems to be a problem handing the link to konq
[03:36] <clintc_home> and I usually have several konq processes going there
[03:36] <Alchera> okies clintc_home .... i don't use it so really cannot help with that
[03:37] <BluesKaj> clintc_home, you've tried setting the default browser : sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[03:37] <Alchera> is it still doing it now that you have fixed the other?
[03:37] <clintc_home> BluesKaj: have not tried that
[03:37] <clintc_home> Alchera: yes
[03:37] <Alchera> BluesKaj seems to have the answer :)
[03:37] <clintc_home> BluesKaj: trying now
[03:38] <Alchera> i only use konqueror for drive browsing
[03:39] <Alchera> sparr: we've had the odd power failure and always in the middle of my doing something .. ungraceful exists definitely cause dramas .. which is why i finally got a UPS last thursday
[03:39] <nitefire> anybody here using Open Office with a Conexant HSF Fax Modem to do faxing ?
[03:39] <BluesKaj> that command sets the browser globally...well usually :)
[03:40] <clintc_home> BluesKaj: ok, done.. selected konq... I'm going to have to kill x to get out of this hang
[03:41] <clintc_home> bbim
[03:43] <clintc_home> BluesKaj: unfortunately, that did not fix the problem
[03:44] <BluesKaj> dunno. maybe you have to config konq , not sure
[03:44] <clintc_home> to recp: click link in konversation, mouse becomes rapid bounce konq icon, xorg pegs cpu at 100 percent
[03:45] <BluesKaj> I'm nodding off here , sorry , gonna hit the sack...won't be much help anyway , nite all
[03:45] <clintc_home> BluesKaj: thank you
[03:46] <kirk> hello?
[03:56] <wangwentao> 有人么
[03:57] <bazhang> !cn | wangwentao
[03:57] <ubotu> wangwentao: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[03:57] <bazhang> !hi | kirk
[03:57] <ubotu> kirk: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[03:58] <wangwentao> 呵呵   终于有人了
[03:58] <bazhang> wangwentao: this is an English channel
[03:59] <Hirvinen> !ch | wangwentao
[03:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:59] <wangwentao>  oh  i am sorry
[04:00] <bazhang> no worries
[04:00] <Hirvinen> !cn | wangwentao
[04:00] <ubotu> wangwentao: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[04:00] <wangwentao> thank you
[04:01] <Hirvinen> Grrt. Too few rows visible on the Nokia 9500 screen. Sorry.
[04:02] <Olde> how do I make the icons in Thunar all pretty instead of bland
[04:03] <Olde> they still look like they did in Gnome
[04:03] <bazhang> thunar with Kubuntu?
[04:03] <Olde> yes
[04:04] <Olde> isn't thunar the default file manager for kubuntu?
[04:05] <hydrogen> no
[04:05] <Olde> k, which one is
[04:05] <hydrogen> dolphin
[04:05] <Olde> ok so how do I set the default to dolphin
[04:05] <ardchoille> dolphin - kde, nautilus - gnome, thunar - xfce
[04:05] <ardchoille> !dolphin
[04:05] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[04:07] <Olde> weird, ok
[04:07] <Olde> thanks
[04:08] <se7en> how can i check if my on board bluetooth is working
[04:09] <Dr_willis> try connecting to your cell phone?
[04:10] <se7en> Dr_willis: :) that's exactly what i try to do and can't ...
[04:10] <BrOSs> ardchoille: are u there?
[04:11] <se7en> so i was guessing either kubuntu has problems with bluetooth2 or my laptops on board bluetooth is not working Dr_willis
[04:12] <Dr_willis> I havent messed with the bluetooth stuff in ages.
[04:12] <Dr_willis> I do recall editing some pin file in /etc/ ages ago
[04:12] <Dr_willis> !bluetooth
[04:12] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[04:13] <se7en> Dr_willis: lspci | grep blue* should find my bluetooth device or?
[04:13] <ardchoille> BrOSs: I am
[04:14] <Dr_willis> No idea. I dont have one to test.. and the ones i did have were USB based. so not sure if they show on lspci or not.
[04:15] <BrOSs> which is the page for the kubuntu/ubunty forum?
[04:15] <ardchoille> BrOSs: Ubuntu forums?
[04:15] <BrOSs> ardchoille: yeah
[04:15] <ardchoille> BrOSs: http://ubuntuforums.org
[04:15] <BrOSs> ardchoille: some day before u gave me a page
[04:16] <BrOSs> ardchoille: let me see if that is the one
[04:16] <ardchoille> BrOSs: The kubuntu forums are at a different location, tho
[04:19] <BrOSs> ardchoille: that was the page I was looking for, tks man
[04:20] <ardchoille> yw
[04:27] <BrOSs> ardchoille: man.. i got a big mess, 3 days ago I posted my question in the forum, but just one guy tried to help me and didn't work
[04:28] <ardchoille> BrOSs: What's the problem?
[04:29] <BrOSs> ardchoille: i'm gonna try to explain myself, my english is not the best.. so, pls waitme
[04:29] <ardchoille> BrOSs: I'm English.. and my English isn't the best :)
[04:30] <BrOSs> ardchoille: when I boot the system.. there are like 6 different option to choose
[04:31] <ardchoille> BrOSs: What are the choices?
[04:32] <BrOSs> 4 are kubuntu 7.10 with their respective recovery mode
[04:32] <BrOSs> ardchoille: one is kubuntu 7.10 also but spanish version
[04:32] <BrOSs> ardchoille: finally, is windows vista recovery
[04:32] <ardchoille> That does sound like a mess.
[04:32] <BrOSs> =/
[04:33] <BrOSs> ardchoille: it is man..
[04:33] <sfears> do i need to play with my xorg.conf file to get video out on svideo.. or is there a gui panel i can play with?
[04:33] <BrOSs> ardchoille: the sony vaio recovery boot isn't working
[04:33] <ardchoille> Unfortunately, I don't know how to help with that. Al of my computers have only one OS on them.
[04:33] <ardchoille> *all
[04:33] <BrOSs> ardchoille: it says that the partition is gone
[04:35] <BrOSs> ardchoille: i want to do this.. format every partition, erase all the kubuntu versions and install winxp, then install kubuntu 7.10 again over winxp
[04:36] <ardchoille> !dualboot
[04:36] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[04:36] <ardchoille> BrOSs: ^^
[04:36] <BrOSs> ardchoille: zup?
[04:37] <ardchoille> BrOSs: See the dualboot post by ubotu, that is the info you need for setting up a Win/Kubuntu system
[04:37] <BrOSs> ardchoille: haha I'm dany
[04:37] <BrOSs> ardchoille: do u remember?
[04:37] <ardchoille> BrOSs: yes
[04:38] <BrOSs> ardchoille: x) thks 4tha help..
[04:38] <ardchoille> yw :)
[04:38] <BrOSs> ardchoille: by the way.. where're u from?
[04:41] <sundar> need help with ktorrent...
[04:42] <sundar> it does not seem to be seeding at all!!  though upload happens for torrents that are downloading...there is no upload while seeding....not sure what the problem is...
[04:50] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. That sounds like that ISP Blocking Torrent thing i heard about a few weeks ago
[04:51] <Dr_willis> actually that sounds EXACTLY like what i rember
[04:51] <awag22> comcast?
[04:51] <Dr_willis> as a test - you could try some other torrent client to see if it also works.
[04:51] <Dr_willis> I think insight here. is now owned by comcast also.. that will suck.
[04:52] <Dr_willis> Yep. GOt a letter in the mail. Insight is soon to be owned by comcast. :(
[04:57] <surgy> has anyone here ever used innotek virtual box? or is there a seperate channel for it?
[04:58] <Dr_willis> Ive used it befor.
[04:59] <Dr_willis> and Yes. theres proberly its own channel here some where. :)
[04:59] <surgy> well im having a few driver difficulties
[04:59] <surgy> :)
[04:59] <surgy> then i will not talk off topic here if it bothers you guys, but i do need help
[05:00] <Thingus> Okay, so this is annoying.
[05:01] <Thingus> I'm trying to watch videos on Stage6.com, a video sharing site similar to YouTube. It says, "For Linux support try Mplayer." I have mozilla-mplayer installed, but Firefox still tells me I'm missing a plugin. Any ideas?
[05:02] <tehm0nk> !compiz
[05:02] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[05:02] <Dr_willis> I use stage6 all the time. :)
[05:02] <Dr_willis> you need hmm.. let me check.
[05:03] <Dr_willis> totem-plugin-viewer   - is what i seem to be using
[05:03] <Sylphid> how can i use the output of a command in the syntax of another command on the same line?
[05:03] <Dr_willis> and of course I proberly got the w32codec stuff installed.. not sure what else
[05:03] <Dr_willis> command1 | commandd2
[05:03] <Sylphid> thats not quite what im looking for
[05:03] <ardchoille> Sylphid: That's called piping
[05:03] <Dr_willis> or ya mean  command1 $(commmd2)
[05:04] <Dr_willis> echo $(ls)
[05:04] <Dr_willis> I think i got that rught.
[05:04] <Sylphid> kk ill try that ty
[05:04] <Dr_willis> the $() is also seen as using the BACKTICK. ` ` ` ` :) but thats not as readable
[05:04] <Dr_willis> But a lot of older docs/guides use the backtick.
[05:05] <Dr_willis> or backquote, or whatever ya want to call it.
[05:05] <Sylphid> that did the trick Dr_willis ty much
[05:06] <Dr_willis> Bash Basics 101 :)
[05:06] <Thingus> BACKTICK is supposed to be depreciated by a lot of shells, anyway.
[05:06] <Dr_willis> Yea - its really easy to missread and books often missprint it.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. the 6 yr old - is beating all the adults at Bowling on the Wii.... :)
[05:10] <Dr_willis> Except for the remote he tossed behind the tv.. hes doing real good.
[05:15] <ganjamaniac> high
[05:15] <ganjamaniac> i need a traffic shaper with 0conf
[05:18] <Dr_willis> Both are things ive never messed with.. sorry.
[05:19] <dsmith_> lol Dr Willis
[05:19] <Dr_willis> I sort of. kind of,, almost. know wht zeroconf does. :)
[05:20] <Dr_willis> I just dont think i have anything that actually uses it. :)
[05:20] <dsmith_> I was laughing at tossing the wii
[05:20] <Dr_willis> dsmith_,  :) yep.. darn kid. tossed the remote right over, behind the tv
[05:20] <maduser> hehe
[05:20] <Dr_willis> he was small enough he could go get it. I gotta go buy some of those rubber bumpper things for it tomorrow
[05:20] <maduser> strap broke?
[05:20] <Dr_willis> IS there a better game then Bowling>
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Strap..! bah! who needs that.. :) Well.. he does..
[05:21] <Dr_willis> then the wife almost gives me a black eye.. she had the strap on at least.
[05:21] <maduser> oh god what did she do?
[05:22] <ardchoille> !ot
[05:22] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:22] <dsmith_> ok no more wii talk
[05:22] <dsmith_> ;p;
[05:23]  * maduser sighs
[05:23] <Dr_willis> like i said.. she swung and about knocked me out. :)  Hmm IS the wii actually using Linux?  I seem to recall that rumor..
[05:23] <maduser> But no ones on the offtopic channel
[05:23] <Dr_willis> Or was that just a 'wii linux'  project?
[05:23] <dsmith_> wii linux hmmm
[05:23] <maduser> ipod liunx
[05:24] <Thingus> There is a Wii Linux project, that I've heard of.
[05:24] <Thingus> www.wiili.org is one such site.
[05:24] <ganjamaniac> yeah so you can see a marlino
[05:24] <ganjamaniac> and a luigix
[05:25] <Dr_willis> People ask at work. whats so impressive about Linux.. the sort of get baffled when i tell them that it can run on a Nintendo DS, and Wii and PS3 and PS2.. and.... :)
[05:25] <ganjamaniac> legends of zeltux
[05:25] <Dr_willis> well at least you can get the basics of it to run. :)
[05:25] <dsmith_> I tell them it gives you full control over your system
[05:26] <dsmith_> dont like the way something looks, change it
[05:26] <maduser> don't mess with xorg.conf
[05:26] <dsmith_> haha duh
[05:27] <maduser> they would have to block it in the wii
[05:27] <maduser> or they would get alot of complaints
[05:28] <dsmith_> my system still locks up if I am away from it after like 45-mins
[05:28] <dsmith_> the window titlebar disappears.. and then you cannot click on anything
[05:28] <dsmith_> *shrug*
[05:29] <Dr_willis> Using compiz?
[05:29] <dsmith_> no
[05:29] <dsmith_> I did try to implement that sometime ago, but to my memory it was doing it before I tried installing it
[05:29] <Dr_willis> sort of sounds like a video card driver issue.
[05:29] <dsmith_> could be
[05:30] <dsmith_> its an oldr laptop I am not that worried about it..
[05:30] <dsmith_> ati 9200
[05:30] <dsmith_> i set it to start in verbose as it would just have a blank screen, no splash
[05:30] <Dr_willis> if its  doing it on a regular (testable) basis you could try like the vesa or some other driver.
[05:30] <dsmith_> everything else works out of box. I am not complaining
[05:31] <Dr_willis> that would let ya prove its some how ati related.
[05:31] <dsmith_> yea, after ~45 mins it locks up when I step away from it
[05:31] <dsmith_> hmmm
[05:31] <Dr_willis> could be some sort of pic/apci/ sort of issue also.
[05:31] <Dr_willis> step away - a interesting clue.
[05:31] <dsmith_> someone mentioned the apci issue beforehand
[05:31] <Dr_willis> as long as you twiddle with it.. it works.. you leave it alone - locks up.
[05:32] <Dr_willis> That does sound like a powersaving thing, or similer.
[05:32] <dsmith_> thats what I was thinking
[05:32] <dsmith_> I have powersaving turned off
[05:32] <Dr_willis> could be something in the laptop bios,  could also try the noapci, kernel optuiion
[05:32] <Dr_willis> that will really really hurt your battery life i bet.
[05:33] <dsmith_> i can run this for about 4 hours
[05:33] <Dr_willis> thats impressive.
[05:33] <dsmith_> at least I can adjust the screen brightness
[05:33] <dsmith_> yea
[05:33] <dsmith_> and wireless works
[05:33] <Dr_willis> those new Asus EEE's i think only get 2 or so hrs.
[05:33] <dsmith_> I could care less if it acts funcky a bit
[05:34] <dsmith_> heh, I saw that
[05:34] <dsmith_> I intend to replace this drive with a ssd
[05:34] <dsmith_> mtron makes the fastest
[05:34] <dsmith_> thier not cheap though
[05:34] <Dr_willis> Yep. the fact they are getting affordable is a good sign. :)
[05:35] <dsmith_> I'll wait another year
[05:35] <Dr_willis> I need a new HD for my laptop.. but its not worth the $100 or so investment r for my needs
[05:35] <ganjamaniac> ok what should i try to install?
[05:35] <dsmith_> its fun taking a P3 machine and install *buntu and giving it back to someone to use
[05:35] <ganjamaniac> shapermeow?
[05:35] <dsmith_> ganjamaniac: ?
[05:35] <ganjamaniac> or shaperwuff?
[05:36] <dsmith_> shaperchirp
[05:36] <Dr_willis> shapermoo !
[05:36] <ganjamaniac> a traffic shaper, it just needs to shape ack's
[05:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:36] <dsmith_> lol
[05:36] <tehm0nk> sup people
[05:36] <dsmith_> ACK, thats like Invaders from Mars speak
[05:36] <dsmith_> sup
[05:37] <ganjamaniac> acknowledgments , at first priority
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Awk Awk! Sed! ... Grep grep!
[05:37] <tehm0nk> so are any of you traders and on ubuntu?
[05:37] <tehm0nk> lol
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Traders?
[05:37] <ganjamaniac> blah
[05:37] <tehm0nk> *traitors
[05:37] <tehm0nk> lol
[05:37] <Invertigo> lol
[05:37] <dsmith_> im on many *buntu's
[05:37] <Invertigo> I like my KDE... :P
[05:38] <tehm0nk> dsmith_: how good are you with ubuntu?
[05:38] <dsmith_> I prefer kde
[05:38] <tehm0nk> i wanted to try out avant....
[05:38] <dsmith_> I deployed over 50+ machines
[05:38] <Dr_willis> If i install Kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop, geubuntu-desktop, geos-dfeskttop and MythBuntu - does that count as 1 or 5?
[05:38] <Dr_willis> or was it 6? :)
[05:38] <dsmith_> geos yuck
[05:38] <tehm0nk> dsmith_: were any of those dual video card + dual monitor?
[05:38] <dsmith_> geubuntu *shrug*
[05:38] <dsmith_> no
[05:38] <Dr_willis> or whatever they call that GoS thang. :)
[05:38] <tehm0nk> MythBuntu?
[05:38] <tehm0nk> wtf?
[05:38] <dsmith_> need a dual head card
[05:39] <dsmith_> and edit your xorg
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Mythtv=ubuntu
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Mythtv+ubuntu
[05:39] <Dr_willis> :) i mean
[05:39] <dsmith_> one of these days I will do that
[05:39] <tehm0nk> dsmith_:  i have 2 dual head cards, and 2 monitors
[05:39] <tehm0nk> dual-heading on one monitor = performance LOSS
[05:39] <dsmith_> you should only need one card
[05:39] <tehm0nk> i dont know why that doesn't sink in to people.
[05:40] <dsmith_> howcome?
[05:40] <dsmith_> hmmm nm I thinkI understand now
[05:40] <tehm0nk> if you throw a Graphic intense app on one screen
[05:40] <tehm0nk> the other will lag
[05:40] <tehm0nk> with two cards...
[05:40] <tehm0nk> that wont happen
[05:40] <dsmith_> yea, that makes sense now I am thinking about it
[05:40] <Dr_willis> The things people bend over backwards to do.. :)
[05:40] <dsmith_> lol
[05:41] <tehm0nk> in windows i can run WoW @ 45 fps (with all the uber settings) and have the other monitor open browsing the net :-P
[05:41] <Dr_willis> Ive seen way too many arguments about sli/dual card/montitors and so forth. to even want to get this started
[05:41] <dsmith_> hmmm I have seena  few dual haed cards on windows pc, those never lagged
[05:41] <dsmith_> but thats another OS
[05:41] <tehm0nk> before i put my second video card in, that was like 14-20 fps...
[05:41] <dsmith_> you can run triple sli now
[05:41] <tehm0nk> triple SLI?
[05:42] <dsmith_> yea
[05:42] <tehm0nk> i hadn't even heard of dual
[05:42] <dsmith_> three cards in parallel
[05:42] <tehm0nk> ?
[05:42] <tehm0nk> weird...
[05:42] <dsmith_> heh
[05:42] <tehm0nk> i've heard you can SLI + optional extra monitor...
[05:43] <Dr_willis> the latest attempt to get more $$ from rich gammers. :)
[05:43] <dsmith_> well with SSD drives coming to fruition it will spead things up
[05:43] <tehm0nk> my motherboard can do that i think
[05:43] <tehm0nk> but... i think that is just rediculous...
[05:43] <tehm0nk> to buy 3 videocards...
[05:43] <Dr_willis> I dont think the 3 sli mb's are even out yet.
[05:43] <tehm0nk> i mean yeah i bought 2 but it DOUBLES my perfomance..
[05:43] <dsmith_> i caught that last week, I am not a serious gamer but I thought it was interesting
[05:43] <tehm0nk> Dr_willis: Agreed.
[05:43] <tehm0nk> hence no Dual monitors in SLI
[05:44] <tehm0nk> all about $$$ lol
[05:44] <tehm0nk> "shhhh dont tell them we're never gonna even TRY to do that... cause then we'd lose money!"
[05:44] <tehm0nk> Anyways here's the deal
[05:44] <dsmith_> I read about a report last night that a group ran (6) mtron ssd drives in raid 0 that had I/O of ~650mb/s
[05:44] <Dr_willis> Info i saw said 3 cards in sli = 280% increase
[05:44] <dsmith_> lol
[05:44] <tehm0nk> i had a bit of an issue with this in Kubuntu as well tho
[05:44] <dsmith_> Dr_willis: yea, thats it
[05:45] <Dr_willis> Of course..  a lot of the SLI/Power stuff dont matter much at the common res that a lot of people use
[05:45] <tehm0nk> if i Try to enable Compiz screen loses bars
[05:45] <Dr_willis> But the price of these higher res/24+ inch monitors are getting better.
[05:45] <dsmith_> sli = serious gamers..
[05:45] <Dr_willis> sli = people with more $$ then sence. :P
[05:45] <Dr_willis> vodka = Serious Drinkers.
[05:45] <tehm0nk> lol not even
[05:46] <dsmith_> lol
[05:46] <tehm0nk> my video cards are now like 120 bucks?
[05:46] <tehm0nk> each...
[05:46] <tehm0nk> that is Nothing
[05:46] <tehm0nk> and you know it lol
[05:46] <Dr_willis> Actually compiz uses opengl.. that could use SLI. Hmm
[05:46] <tehm0nk> 8600 GT
[05:46] <dsmith_> yea I just bought one for the gf
[05:46] <Dr_willis> ya could take your 2 cards out.. toss thm out.. buy a newer card thats faster then the 2 combined. :)
[05:46] <tehm0nk> Times 2 right?
[05:46] <tehm0nk> lol
[05:46] <Dr_willis> Or just turn off some eye candy.
[05:46] <tehm0nk> and put it in SLI mode...
[05:47] <tehm0nk> and throw away one monitor
[05:47] <tehm0nk> and CONFORM
[05:47] <tehm0nk> no.
[05:47] <tehm0nk> :-P
[05:47]  * Dr_willis dosent want to start the argument about why a MMORPG needs such high FPS...
[05:47] <tehm0nk> because you can see page flipping at less than 30 FPS?
[05:48] <Dr_willis> does it matter.. You are just mindlessly bashing macro keys anyway.. :P
[05:48] <tehm0nk> and when there is 40 players on your screen at once you better have the right rig or either you die, or you get to kill more...
[05:48] <tehm0nk> no?
[05:48] <tehm0nk> LoL
[05:48] <Dr_willis> look down at the ground.. and just watch your party health bars..
[05:48] <tehm0nk> every class can't be macro'd :-P
[05:48] <Dr_willis> You get the impression i play healers a lot? :)
[05:48] <tehm0nk> i have a 70 priest :-P
[05:48] <tehm0nk> dropped healing at 60
[05:48] <tehm0nk> never went back
[05:49] <Dr_willis> My G15 Keyboard - that i DO have working under linux - can even show the health bars ion its lec.. :)
[05:49] <tehm0nk> played for a long time before the BC patch
[05:49] <Dr_willis> lcd.
[05:49] <tehm0nk> yeah i heard about them things
[05:49] <tehm0nk> i trust my micro. natural 4000 and my mx rev...
[05:49] <tehm0nk> wonder for Cs too heh
[05:49] <tehm0nk> this compiz thing is killing me again
[05:49] <Dr_willis> I dumpped WoW. and dont care  for most MMORPGs any more.   so have fun. :P
[05:50] <tehm0nk> i just dont get it
[05:50] <tehm0nk> maybe my dri is messed up or something?
[05:50] <maduser> compiz......
[05:50] <tehm0nk> ?
[05:50] <Dr_willis> compiz is still very much a work in progress at times.
[05:50] <maduser> Its a beach
[05:50] <tehm0nk> right but i just had it working sweet on kubuntu, now in ubuntu i can't do the same thing to make it work right...
[05:50] <Dr_willis> of coruse that can also be said for the state of nvidia and ati drivers under linux  - sadly
[05:51] <maduser> I have it working fine i just never use ot
[05:51] <tehm0nk> mad... why?
[05:51] <maduser> Its good to show off to friends
[05:51] <tehm0nk> the cube is nice to me, just in general
[05:51] <maduser> When you wan to do a full screen youtube video in compiz
[05:52] <maduser> you can't
[05:52] <tehm0nk> aww darn?
[05:52] <maduser> yeah
[05:52] <maduser> no fox
[05:52] <Dr_willis> I find the cube proberly one of the most useless features of compiz. :)
[05:52] <tehm0nk> like it doesn't get jacked up fullscreen anyways...
[05:52] <maduser> no fix
[05:52] <Dr_willis> Even the fire is more a more usefull gimmic! :)
[05:52] <tehm0nk> LOL how is the fire useful?
[05:52] <tehm0nk> i mean
[05:52] <Dr_willis> Draw on the screen... "Dont Touch Me!"
[05:53] <tehm0nk> only if you're bored
[05:53] <maduser> cool
[05:53] <Dr_willis> and it scares people off.
[05:53] <tehm0nk> AHAHAHA
[05:53] <tehm0nk> thats pretty good actually
[05:53] <maduser> I just run a shell program
[05:53] <Dr_willis> Had someone in here who accidently enabled fire.. and couldent turn it off.
[05:53] <tehm0nk> pfft
[05:53] <tehm0nk> lol
[05:53] <maduser> that makes a scrart image pop up if they type the wronf password
[05:53] <maduser> that makes a scrary image pop up if they type the wrong password
[05:53] <Dr_willis> Only compiz things i regually use is that "show a preview/mini window' in the  taskbar, and the zoom
[05:54] <maduser> Its great
[05:54] <maduser> me too
[05:54] <maduser> Can you run frets on fire in compiz?
[05:55] <maduser> ..........
[05:55] <Dr_willis> try it and see i guess.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> proberly can. :)
[05:56] <maduser> I fear the images will be all messed up
[05:56] <maduser> who here has tried puppy?
[05:56] <tehm0nk> Dr_willis: it's too nutty in #ubuntu
[05:56] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  never noticed..
[05:56] <awag22> i think it is generally a good idea to quit compiz before running a game
[05:56] <Dr_willis> I hang out in there all the time
[05:57] <maduser> thats my idea
[05:57] <Gast258> moin allerseits
[05:57] <Gast258> irgendjemand da?
[05:57] <tehm0nk> it's hard to get help there
[05:57] <maduser> is that german?
[05:57] <surgy> when i plug in my mp3 player it doesnt automount, it shows the icon on the desktop like it should be mounted, but it doesnt actually mount untill i click on the icon, the same thing happens when i put a cd in the cd rom
[05:57] <surgy> is there a fix?
[05:57] <tehm0nk> you guys here have helped me a LOT more than they could have
[05:58] <Gast258> yes it is
[05:58] <maduser> cool
[05:58] <tehm0nk> this time is the FIRST time i've been acknoledged in there
[05:58] <Gast258> where is the german help chat ?
[05:58] <awag22> !de
[05:58] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:58] <maduser> wow the ubuntu channel is chaotic
[05:58] <Gast258> thx
[05:59] <Dr_willis> it helps to ask good questions. :)
[05:59] <tehm0nk> Dr_willis: you got any ideas why my stuff could be screwy? i'll post my xorg real fast...
[05:59] <tehm0nk> !paste
[05:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:59] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  im not even sure what your problem actually is.
[05:59] <maduser> never mess with xorg
[05:59] <tehm0nk> never mess with xorg huh...
[05:59] <maduser> do you have the defult?
[05:59] <tehm0nk> i have to Just to make the live CD boot
[05:59] <tehm0nk> lol
[06:00] <tehm0nk> and i have to to make my monitors work right ...
[06:00] <tehm0nk> At all even
[06:00] <maduser> you could replace it with the defult
[06:00] <tehm0nk> lol if i replaced it with default i'd lost 1 monitor...
[06:00] <maduser> my advice chmod 600 xorg
[06:01] <tehm0nk> and when i would turn on my pc, it would start to boot on one monitor...
[06:01] <tehm0nk> and then ask me to login on the other...
[06:01] <tehm0nk> :-P
[06:01] <maduser> hmmmm
[06:01] <tehm0nk> yeah
[06:01] <tehm0nk> there is a seriously problem there...
[06:01] <Dr_willis> Thats from the twinview/dual screens not agreeing on what monuitor was primary
[06:01] <Dr_willis> which is a bit of a issue with the nvidia driver also making it a hassle.
[06:02] <tehm0nk> arggh
[06:02] <Dr_willis> Want more fun?  enable a single monitor nvidia system.. Power down.. plug in a tv to the svideo up.. DONT turn on the tv..
[06:02] <Dr_willis> when you boot up - some of my nvidia systems default to the TV out.. with No Monitor output once X starts.
[06:03] <Dr_willis> I saw the pc boot.. saw the messages..  heard gnome start sounds.. then blank
[06:03] <maduser> ouch
[06:03] <Dr_willis> However... same setup.. No pc moniotr.. i had to do nothing to get tv out working.
[06:03] <Dr_willis> I could even install  ubuntu , without a pc monitor. just a tv.
[06:03] <Dr_willis> This Does seem to depend on what card you have also.
[06:04] <tehm0nk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49387/
[06:04] <maduser> do you have a repalce ment or defult?
[06:04] <maduser> like xorg-defult.conf?
[06:04] <tehm0nk> do i have a backup?
[06:04] <maduser> yeah
[06:04] <tehm0nk> yes
[06:04] <tehm0nk> but... THAT would break my PC
[06:05] <maduser> ?
[06:05] <tehm0nk> before i rebooted from installing i EDITED it to make it work...
[06:05] <tehm0nk> if i booted again
[06:05] <tehm0nk> it'd cry and say something like oh no! no screen found!
[06:05] <tehm0nk> the default does that to me... on a Clean install :-P
[06:05] <maduser> it would boot into console
[06:05] <tehm0nk> exactly
[06:05] <maduser> I hate that
[06:05] <tehm0nk> and i'd have to refix it :-P
[06:06] <SteamMachine> Hi all.
[06:06] <SteamMachine> I wish to disable kde wallet.
[06:06] <SteamMachine> It's rather annoying and I don't need it.
[06:06] <SteamMachine> I'm not sure how to though.
[06:06] <SteamMachine> I've actually uninstalled it and it still ... appears. O_O
[06:06] <maduser> what is it used for?
[06:07] <maduser> passwords, wep?
[06:07] <SteamMachine> Passwords.
[06:07] <SteamMachine> For kopete mostly.
[06:07] <maduser> If you did not have it you would have to retype the passwords every time
[06:08] <Dr_willis> My xorg.conf for tv out :) and dual screen - http://pastebin.ca/829497
[06:08] <Dr_willis> if anyone wants to look.
[06:08] <tehm0nk> Dr_willis: in kubuntu it uses Emerald to theme it or something... someone had me put "emerald --replace" in the command option of window decoration in CCSM
[06:08] <SteamMachine> maduser: i just told kopete to remember the password. >_>
[06:08] <Dr_willis> emerald can be used to get the window decoration,
[06:08] <Dr_willis> or you can use the KDE window decoration thing, or even the gnome one.
[06:08] <tehm0nk> and then i ran "compiz --replace" and it worked...
[06:09] <tehm0nk> what is the gnome one?
[06:09] <Dr_willis> i forget its name. Its mentioned at the compiz-fusion homepage. :)
[06:10] <SteamMachine> Also, I wondered if there were any plans to make a more... kde-compatible firefox?
[06:10] <Dr_willis> gtk-window-decorator --replace,
[06:10] <Dr_willis> kde-window-decorator --replace, or
[06:10] <Dr_willis> emerald --replace
[06:10] <Dr_willis> SteamMachine,  none that i have heard of. I think a few people have started.. but got very little done.
[06:11] <SteamMachine> Mm. It seems like that. What with Konquefox and the like.
[06:11] <SteamMachine> A shame really. I adore firefox - but the gnominess of it bugs me.
[06:12] <SteamMachine> still, there's enough tweaks to make it bearable.
[06:12] <Dr_willis> never noticed really....
[06:12] <Dr_willis> I just put in the few extensions i like.. and surf away
[06:12] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:13] <tehm0nk> lol
[06:13] <tehm0nk> now they're broke in Both screens lol
[06:15] <maduser> when you mess with xorg
[06:15] <maduser> .........
[06:16] <biovore> it bites back.. :-)
[06:16] <maduser> worse
[06:16] <maduser> it messes with your head
[06:16] <maduser> like the DMV
[06:17] <tehm0nk> no...
[06:17] <tehm0nk> i didn't change my xorg.
[06:17] <tehm0nk> all i didn was run metacity --replace and compiz --replace a couple times lol
[06:17] <maduser> what did you do?
[06:19] <tehm0nk> can i install that emerald theme manager thing on ubuntu as well?
[06:20] <maduser> dunno
[06:20] <tehm0nk> Dr_willis: do you know?
[06:21] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[06:21] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[06:21] <Dr_willis> Yes.. that page details it all. :)
[06:21] <tehm0nk> compiz is actually not engaging at alll...
[06:21] <Dr_willis> And that page is proerly the full extent of my compiz knowledge. :()
[06:22] <tehm0nk> cause you're a lucky one
[06:24] <tehm0nk> lol ok i installed emerald...
[06:24] <tehm0nk> and got window decration....
[06:24] <Dr_willis> install some emerald themes also to play with. :)
[06:24] <tehm0nk> it just happened to be on the one i wanted already haha
[06:25] <tehm0nk> and compiz is now working...
[06:25] <tehm0nk> odd.
[06:25] <maninder> whats the super button?
[06:26] <tehm0nk> windows key
[06:26] <tehm0nk> took me a while to figure that one out...
[06:26] <maninder> the button next to crt
[06:26] <maninder> and alt
[06:26] <tehm0nk> AKA Start
[06:27] <tehm0nk> it's got the windows logo normally
[06:27] <maninder> got ya
[06:27] <maninder> thanks
[06:27] <maninder> the water effect is so usless yet fun to watch
[06:28] <tehm0nk> yeah
[06:28] <tehm0nk> same with fire
[06:30] <Dr_willis> Tidal Wave!
[06:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:31] <tehm0nk> never tried that
[06:31] <maninder> lol
[06:31] <maninder> i have like multiple bugs on my linux
[06:32] <maninder> i just feel like doing a new installation
[06:32] <sparr> are there any projects that bring newer packages to existing ubuntu releases?  i moved from debian to ubuntu, and having to wait 6 months for new versions of things is my biggest complaint.
[06:33] <crimsun> well, yes, the MOTU "project" works on the latest development branch and caring for security errata and bugfixes for the currently supported stable packages in universe.
[06:33] <ardchoille> sparr: You can always compile
[06:34] <tehm0nk> anyone know how to make the cube transparent always?
[06:34] <sparr> tehm0nk: even when youre looking at a 2d desktop?
[06:35] <tehm0nk> yes
[06:35] <tehm0nk> i had it like that before
[06:46] <Dr_willis> the backports repos may have updates also.
[06:48] <tehm0nk> http://picpaste.com/gears_1.jpg
[06:48] <tehm0nk> sparr like that
[06:48] <tehm0nk> but that was on kubuntu
[06:49] <sparr> freaky
[06:49] <sparr> but doable, i think
[06:50] <sparr> isnt there a checkbox "always render cube"?
[06:50] <sparr> or "only render when rotating" (which you would uncheck)
[06:52] <tehm0nk> there we go
[06:52] <tehm0nk> got it
[06:53] <voidmage> does anyone know the default font for amarok's osd?
[06:56] <tehm0nk> wow
[06:56] <tehm0nk> this is weird... i set a setting
[06:56] <tehm0nk> then click back then go back to the setting and it's back to default
[06:56] <tehm0nk> GRR
[06:56] <LinkCanabico> hi can someone point me in the right direction to create a livecd that boots directly into a game i am programming
[06:57] <sexy_noob> could anyone help with some pretty straight forward monitor problems? I accidently changed my monitor model to digital when it was set as analog and now starting x leads to a black screen. :( How do i change it back with the command line?
[06:57] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[06:57] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:57] <Dr_willis> lets see...
[06:57] <Dr_willis> Thats not it.. Hmmm..
[06:58] <ardchoille> !xconfig
[06:58] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » - To configure only the driver and resolution, type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh » - See also !FixRes
[06:58] <Dr_willis> thats it. :)
[06:58] <ardchoille> :)
[06:58] <LinkCanabico> sexy_noob in grub set the kernel option to init 3
[06:59] <Dr_willis> actually if X is borked.. and booting him to the console..   he can just login, use the sudo command. then test with 'startx' I think
[06:59] <sexy_noob> i just need to change the monitor model setting back? i dont think x is broken
[06:59] <ardchoille> Yeah, or just ctrl+alt+f1 and log in there
[06:59] <LinkCanabico> ardchoille is right
[06:59] <Dr_willis> Yea. He may be getting X started.. it sjust not usign the right settings
[07:00] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: Isn't that type of setting kept somewhere in ~/.kde/share/config ?
[07:00] <Dr_willis> Then theres the 'rescue/recovery' entry in grub. :)
[07:00] <Dr_willis> I dont think the  monitor settings hes referign to are.  the user keeps their modes, and res. But not the model.
[07:01] <Dr_willis> plus if its killing kdm. then its been set in the xorg.conf wrongly.
[07:01] <Dr_willis> thats My logic at least.
[07:01] <LinkCanabico> also gdm and kdm are not configured by the user
[07:01] <ardchoille> sexy_noob: Did you use sudo (admin) to change that?
[07:01] <tehm0nk> Dr_willis: is it possible to get the same screenshot thing as in Kubuntu?
[07:01] <sexy_noob> one sec i had to start
[07:02] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  what screenshot thing? :)    proberly is possible...
[07:02] <tehm0nk> are you on kubuntu right now?
[07:02] <Dr_willis> yes
[07:02] <tehm0nk> press printscreen
[07:02] <tehm0nk> lol
[07:02] <Dr_willis> On Kubuntu. :)
[07:02] <tehm0nk> the one in Ubuntu Sucks.
[07:03] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  ok.. You are asking how to use the KUBUNTU screenshot tool. in Ubuntu...
[07:03] <Dr_willis> Thats a little more clear then. :)
[07:03] <tehm0nk> what is it's name
[07:03] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: PM?
[07:03] <LinkCanabico> wich tool Ksnapshot?
[07:03] <tehm0nk> i'll see if it's in the install thing
[07:03] <ardchoille> tehm0nk: ksnapshot
[07:04] <Dr_willis> ksnapshot seems to be its name. :) yes.
[07:04] <Dr_willis> !find ksnapshot
[07:04] <ubotu> Found: ksnapshot
[07:04] <Dr_willis> There it is.
[07:04] <ardchoille> lol
[07:04] <Dr_willis> well its 2 am.. and i am going to ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz.........
[07:04] <Dr_willis> night all.
[07:04] <ardchoille> Good night
[07:04] <LinkCanabico> night
[07:05] <sexy_noob> yay! something worked!
[07:06] <LinkCanabico> sexy_noob thats a start
[07:06] <sexy_noob> the gamma settings are blinding me but as long as it turns on
[07:08] <Gidean> Just inherited an amd64 'puter.  Should I run the 64bit OS or stick to i386?  I just want it to work as soon as possible and be my net/media workhorse...
[07:08] <Gidean> opinions?
[07:08] <ardchoille> I'd stick to i386 if I wanted it to work in the quickest time and with the least amount of work
[07:09] <LinkCanabico> net/media use i386
[07:09] <ubuntu> how do I set the root password?
[07:10] <ardchoille> ubuntu: You don't, use sudo
[07:10] <ardchoille> !sudo | ubuntu
[07:10] <ubotu> ubuntu: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:10] <ubuntu> yes I do need to
[07:10] <ubuntu> I need to be loged in as root to do some of the work I need to do in the terminal
[07:10] <ubuntu> sudo won't cut it
[07:10] <ardchoille> ubuntu: Sudo can do anyting root can do
[07:10] <ubuntu> ya
[07:10] <ubuntu> but it asks for a root password
[07:10] <ardchoille> What asks for root passwd?
[07:10] <ubuntu> I put in sudo alsaconf
[07:11] <Gidean> that's what I figured...On a different note:  I use 6.06 LTS on my lappie and am very happy.  Is there an advantage to 7.10?
[07:11] <ubuntu> and it asks for the root password
[07:11] <ardchoille> it's asking for your user passwd
[07:11] <ananth123> ubuntu: try the user password
[07:11] <ubuntu> I did
[07:11] <ubuntu> it rejected it
[07:11] <ubuntu> :(
[07:11] <ardchoille> Then you mistyped or something
[07:11] <ubuntu> but like I was originally asking how do I change my root password?
[07:11] <ardchoille> ubuntu: You don't, use sudo
[07:11] <Gidean> passwd
[07:11] <ubuntu> Thanks Gidean
[07:12] <LinkCanabico> well you can try sudo passwd
[07:12] <jinx> how do i install my 3d accelerated video card drivers ati
[07:12] <ardchoille> Please do not teach people how to enable root.
[07:12] <ardchoille> It's neither necessary nor supported
[07:12] <ubuntu> Thats pretty restricting
[07:12] <Gidean> it's knowledge...
[07:12] <se7en> somebody know a good and easy terminal mail client?
[07:13] <ubuntu> Gidean when I put in passwd it says current UNIX Password:
[07:13] <ananth123> ubuntu: its a feature, by design to protect newbies from doing silly things...  most experienced users can work around the default settings to even add a root acc
[07:13] <LinkCanabico> ardchoille its part of the philosophy "You decide what you want to do on your PC"
[07:13] <ardchoille> ubuntu: If you feel that is restive, then you really should read the sudo wiki page and learn about sudo
[07:13] <ardchoille> LinkCanabico: yes, but this is an official support channel and we follow the recommended methods here.
[07:14] <ubuntu> recommended methods?
[07:14] <ananth123> or try some other distro
[07:14] <ubuntu> oh so there are more advanced distros?
[07:14] <LinkCanabico> yes
[07:14] <ananth123> its not more advanced (or less).... its what suits your taste!
[07:14] <ubuntu> How about Ultumix? Some people have told me it's great.
[07:14] <ananth123> try it out.
[07:15] <ananth123> whats good for me may (or not) be good for you
[07:15] <se7en> somebody know a good and easy terminal mail client?
[07:15] <ananth123> pine... mutt
[07:16] <se7en> thanks ananth123 ...checking
[07:16] <ubuntu> Gidean I can't PM you
[07:16] <ubuntu> It says I need to register
[07:16] <ubuntu> I'm registered
[07:16] <ardchoille> !register
[07:16] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[07:17] <ubuntu> how do I change my user name
[07:17] <ardchoille> oh, sorry
[07:17] <ardchoille> ubuntu: /nick newnick
[07:17] <ardchoille> lol
[07:17] <LinkCanabico> :)
[07:17] <Gidean> rofl
[07:17] <ananth123> LOL
[07:18] <Gidean> any current 6.06 users?
[07:19] <newnick> I'm trying to install LinuxMCE :) I found that their download for Kubuntu is not working right
[07:19] <newnick> So I got the same version from the mirrors on the Kubuntu site
[07:19] <newnick> Works much better now
[07:20] <ananth123> Gidean: yeah
[07:20] <foibles> hi there, im using teamspeak in linux and my sound won't go through
[07:20] <newnick> Hopefully after I update Kubuntu and install the Linux MCE disks it will recognise my TV card
[07:20] <foibles> its using OSS by default, but thats the problem
[07:20] <newnick> MythTV seems very TVCard unfriendly
[07:21] <newnick> I have a TV2000 XP Expert WinFast TV card
[07:21] <newnick> It works with other TV Tuner Card Programs
[07:21] <newnick> I don't get it
[07:21] <ananth123> under linux ?
[07:21] <newnick> yep
[07:22] <ananth123> which program ?
[07:22] <newnick> Well Any of them in the repo exept MythTV
[07:22] <newnick> MythTV just goes crazy
[07:22] <foibles> can anyone help me out?
[07:22] <newnick> and freaks out
[07:22] <foibles> anyone used teamspeak before?
[07:22] <newnick> well gota reboot
[07:25] <Gidean> BTW: Is the 'sudo' protocol a *buntu invention or didi t start in debian?
[07:25] <crimsun> it started back in OpenBSD.
[07:25] <Gidean> wow
[07:26] <ananth123> Gidean: its probably a few decades old iirc
[07:27] <ardchoille> I've been using sudo for years and never had to enable root. I love it.
[07:27] <Gidean> Don't get me wrong, I have no problem using sudo...
[07:27] <Gidean> big fan..
[07:27] <justin__> Back after the reboot
[07:28] <justin__> I survived
[07:28] <Gidean> just thinking...
[07:29] <Gidean> question: the idea is that your everyday use is done a a user and when needed you can execute commands as root using sudo, correct?
[07:29] <ananth123> yes
[07:29] <ardchoille> Well, there are some definite advantages to using sudo, one being that you can't brute force a locked root account and you can't brute force user accounts if you don't know the usernames
[07:29] <justin__> YES
[07:29] <justin__> Thats not an advantage
[07:29] <justin__> to me
[07:29] <Gidean> les risk of muck things about when you don't wield ultimate power...
[07:29] <Gidean> heh
[07:30] <Gidean> maybe not an advantage but a nice precaution..
[07:30] <ardchoille> Indeed
[07:30] <Gidean> I know I've been saved a few times thinking back
[07:31] <justin__> I've never ran into a problem using root when I should not have
[07:31] <justin__> just lucky I guess
[07:33] <justin__> Evil_DuDe is scarry. He hasn't droped his connection since 12/15/2007. I think he has his eyes on us!
[07:35] <Gidean> EF! think Opera was resposible for making my sys unresposnsive...had to restart X
[07:36] <justin__> ./join #Ultumix
[07:36] <justin__> woops
[07:37] <Gidean> So again, I ask humbly for opinions: is 7.10 worth upgrading to?  I'm happy with 6.06 but just inherited a desktop....
[07:37] <justin__> I think so
[07:37] <Gidean> and why is that?
[07:37] <ananth123> its better to do a fresh install of 7.10 on the laptop than an upgrade
[07:38] <ananth123> for one, the latest version of the packages would have fixed some bugs
[07:38] <ardchoille> Gidean: I installed 7.10 (coming from Dapper) and I have loved it enough to get rid of my Dapper images.
[07:38] <Gidean> It would be for my desktop but that brings up another question: versions don't share repositries?
[07:39] <ardchoille> It's not good to mix repos like that, no
[07:40] <Gidean> I see, I see...
[07:41] <ardchoille> Gidean: Is this a system that will be upgraded to Gutsy from Dapper?
[07:42] <anakin_> when i try to login to the location with a valid username and passwd into smb://hostname, i keep getting the authentication message over and over
[07:42] <anakin_> Is this something to do with the authentication protocol in smb.conf?
[07:43] <ardchoille> anakin_: I get that sometimes and I found it's always on a folder that isn't shared
[07:43] <Gidean> Thank you all....happy holidays
[07:46] <jessy_james> ardchoille™ take the dapper ,no upgraded to Gutsy,counsel o advice form the 7.04
[07:47] <ardchoille> jessy_james: I didn't quite understand that
[07:47] <jessy_james> the 7.10 is not stable
[07:48] <ardchoille> jessy_james: 7.10 is the current stable release, yes
[07:48] <jessy_james> experience
[07:49] <jessy_james> the 7.04 is stable
[07:49] <ardchoille> jessy_james: It's been stable for me on 11 machines, but I guess it depends on many factors.
[07:50] <jessy_james> fortune,
[07:51] <jessy_james> the software for the 7.04 is goof
[07:51] <jessy_james> *good
[07:53] <ardchoille> lol
[07:56] <jessy_james> experience say :)
[08:01] <Qhestion> hi. i want to install kubuntu from dvd. when i boot from it, it starts up normal, but then the kde startup progress window (dont know how its called) is shown. 5 seconds later my monitor gets turned off. is this normal?
[08:02] <Qhestion> when i hit [ctrl][f7] afterwards, i get a "normal" display, but it is set to 640x480
[08:02] <Qhestion> now, what do i do?
[08:03] <Jeroi> Qhestionyes it is normal
[08:03] <Qhestion> WHAT ? how can that be normal?
[08:03] <Jeroi> just wait when kde starts it brings your dekstop view right a way
[08:04] <Qhestion> no it does not.
[08:04] <Qhestion> i did wait ~10 minutes
[08:04] <Jeroi> dosent show you the text in the monitor like windows does
[08:04] <Jeroi> tho windows uses some progress bar
[08:04] <Qhestion> yes, but i cant see that because my monitor gets disablde
[08:05] <Jeroi> ah
[08:05] <Qhestion> not only for ~2 seconds
[08:05] <Jeroi> so you get kde loading stage?
[08:05] <Qhestion> yes
[08:05] <Jeroi> and?
[08:05] <Qhestion> quote: ""but then the kde startup progress window (dont know how its called) is shown. 5 seconds later my monitor gets turned off. is this normal?""
[08:05] <Jeroi> thats not normal
[08:05] <Qhestion> also, what i did afterwards: "when i hit [ctrl][f7] afterwards, i get a "normal" display, but it is set to 640x480"
[08:05] <Qhestion> and i cant change it to higher resolutions
[08:06] <Jeroi> I tought you meant at first when bios loads after that monitor goes balack and off
[08:06] <Qhestion> nah
[08:06] <Jeroi> ok
[08:06] <Jeroi> you got weard prob
[08:06] <Qhestion> yep.
[08:06] <Jeroi> is you gfx properly setuped?
[08:06] <Qhestion> ehm
[08:06] <Qhestion> i am installing.
[08:06] <Qhestion> from the dvd.
[08:06] <Qhestion> i did nothing!
[08:06] <Jeroi> yes
[08:07] <Jeroi> did you isntall your kubuntu already?
[08:07] <Qhestion> no
[08:07] <Jeroi> so why do you need bigger resolution?
[08:07] <Qhestion> turn computer on -> boot from dvd -> wait -> wait -> crap
[08:07] <Qhestion> well, i am a little bit frightened
[08:07] <Jeroi> Imo I would install in textmode
[08:08] <Jeroi> not going to kde at all
[08:08] <Qhestion> i dont want to install kubuntu just to see that it cant run higher than 640x480
[08:08] <Qhestion> hmm
[08:08] <Jeroi> faster, quite easy too.
[08:08] <Jeroi> what gfx card you use?
[08:08] <Qhestion> ehm
[08:08] <Qhestion> geforce 8600 gt
[08:08] <Jeroi> same than me :)
[08:08] <Jeroi> I fought with it alot
[08:09] <Qhestion> dammit
[08:09] <ananth123> try passing video res as boot parameter...
[08:09] <Jeroi> the best way is, to go k-menu->system settings
[08:09] <Qhestion> nay.
[08:09] <Jeroi> then to advanced tab
[08:09] <Qhestion> it only shows "640x480" as availbale resolutions
[08:09] <Jeroi> there is restricetd drivers
[08:09] <Qhestion> ehh uhh... ok
[08:10] <Jeroi> then install nvidia-glx-nev as dialog shows you
[08:10] <Jeroi> new*
[08:10] <Jeroi> then you should get your resolution after you edit your config
[08:10] <Jeroi> the best way to edit is typing nvidia-settings into console
[08:11] <Jeroi> you get gui program from nvidia
[08:11] <Qhestion> ok
[08:11] <Jeroi> it is kind of same looking than in windows
[08:11] <Qhestion> well, i am coming from opensuse ;)
[08:12] <Jeroi> hmm, yes good choice toi try kubuntu
[08:12] <Qhestion> i thought so too, but in opensuse "it just works", while kubuntu seems not to like me
[08:13] <Qhestion> well, i will try it
[08:13] <Jeroi> Qhestion, ubuntu dont install any restricted drivers at all
[08:13] <Jeroi> this means, drivers that some companies have rights in them
[08:13] <Jeroi> so ubuntu is legal distribution
[08:14] <Qhestion> yes.
[08:14] <Jeroi> ubuntu tho dont cotrol what users install into it
[08:14] <Jeroi> so you get all working just fine
[08:14] <Qhestion> ok i will try it then
[08:14] <Jeroi> altho it needs a bit fixing this and that and meanwhile you get bored without help
[08:15] <Jeroi> but in end of the day, it gives good warm when you sugges in something
[08:15] <Qhestion> hmm
[08:15] <Jeroi> ?
[08:16] <Qhestion> yes, but i prefer not learning while i install an os
[08:16] <Jeroi> I feel you
[08:16] <Qhestion> afterwards ok, but that is a damned critical phase
[08:16] <Jeroi> but some times things just arent like windows
[08:16] <Jeroi> windows install with like singel button and typing your name etc
[08:16] <Qhestion> they should be better... but they are not
[08:17] <Jeroi> but then again: the real compete comes when installing some codecs and programs
[08:17] <Qhestion> i think that one is fairly easy
[08:17] <Jeroi> and indeed apt-get is nice piece of software in debian based systemsa
[08:18] <Jeroi> Qhestion btw
[08:18] <Qhestion> that was the main reason i wanted to try kubuntu.
[08:18] <Qhestion> i just dont trust yast anymore
[08:18] <Jeroi> you dont get to dl anything from net wihtout editin your sources list
[08:18] <Qhestion> yes?
[08:18] <Qhestion> is it like in opensuse?
[08:19] <Jeroi> main reason to this, is that you are using live cd
[08:19] <Jeroi> so you sources are your cd
[08:19] <Jeroi> you need to disable cd sources from /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:19] <Jeroi> and enable internet sources
[08:20] <Jeroi> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list should do the trick
[08:20] <Qhestion> yes
[08:20] <Jeroi> if kubuntu asks password just hit enter
[08:21] <Qhestion> yes
[08:21] <Qhestion> good that i get to know this *before* i go into runlevel 2 or so...
[08:21] <Qhestion> it is what happened with opensuse
[08:21] <Jeroi> yeah
[08:21] <Qhestion> and there i was, not knowing any texteditor besides vim
[08:21] <Jeroi> I'we used kubuntu now 3 weeks fulltime
[08:22] <ganjamaniac> heh
[08:22] <Qhestion> and unfortunately, all i knew about vim was that you can exit it with :q!
[08:22] <Jeroi> before gutsy, I installed edgy
[08:22] <ganjamaniac> how can i run this firefox flash plugin?
[08:22] <ganjamaniac> because its weirianistic
[08:22] <Jeroi> but when upgraded to feisty I managed to destroy my kde somehow
[08:22] <Jeroi> ganjamaniac I have made fix for that
[08:23] <Qhestion> ok am now off, trying "it"
[08:23] <Jeroi> it has md5 checksum error
[08:23] <Jeroi> because aplle has new plugin giving wrong md5
[08:23] <ganjamaniac> cool
[08:23] <ganjamaniac> apple?
[08:23] <ganjamaniac> did apple aquire adobe?
[08:24] <ganjamaniac> whatever
[08:24] <Jeroi> you using 32bit?
[08:24] <Jeroi> or 64?
[08:24] <ganjamaniac> no i use 64 bit
[08:24] <Jeroi> good
[08:24] <ganjamaniac> and i use 8bit
[08:25] <ganjamaniac> so do i have to get the fix in your repo?
[08:26] <Jeroi> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10804892/flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.115.0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[08:26] <Jeroi> install that ganjamaniac
[08:26] <ganjamaniac> ty
[08:27] <Jeroi> just download it to desktop
[08:27] <Jeroi> and run with packet installer
[08:28] <pag> ganjamaniac, Jeroi; just FYI - that update will break Konqueror's and Opera's Flash support
[08:28] <Jeroi> yup
[08:28] <Jeroi> but flash wont work even with firefox, or konguereor when you first install kubuntu
[08:29] <Jeroi> that is the only way for amd64 kubuntu firsttime users to anable fashsuport atleast for firefox
[08:29] <ganjamaniac> ndiswrapper whatever
[08:30] <pag> Jeroi, you can download older version and install it manually...
[08:30] <ganjamaniac> i hope such crap like flash didn't continue
[08:30] <Jeroi> maybe
[08:30] <Jeroi> Then again I dont use konqueror
[08:30] <Jeroi> so I dont bother
[08:31] <Jeroi> when the apt version of that comes, I wil then download that
[08:31] <Jeroi> and your konqueror is happy
[08:34] <mempman> does anybody know how i can reload specific modules,.....i try using rmmod "mod_name" but i keep getting module is busy error
[08:34] <ganjamaniac> depmod or something
[08:34] <mempman> let me give that a shot
[08:35] <mempman> ganjamania: that won't do it
[08:36] <Linux_Galore> mempman: insmod module_name
[08:36] <mempman> ill try that
[08:37] <mempman> LInux_Galore: im not tyring to install a module
[08:37] <mempman> im trying to stop the current module, then restart it
[08:37] <mempman> stopping is the problem right now
[08:37] <Linux_Galore> mempman:  rmmod then insmod
[08:38] <mempman> LInux_Galore: i have tried rmmod but i keep gettin "device busy" error
[08:38] <Linux_Galore> mempman: lsmod  will list the modules loaded
[08:38] <mempman> Linux_Galore: yes it will, and i can see the loaded modules
[08:38] <Linux_Galore> mempman: then something is using it
[08:38] <mempman> how do i stop it
[08:38] <mempman> there is no playback
[08:39] <mempman> nothing is playin anything
[08:39] <Linux_Galore> mempman: stop the process that is using the driver/hardware
[08:39] <Linux_Galore> mempman: sudo ksysguard
[08:40] <Jeroi> After installing the flash plugin, you have to tell Konqueror. Go to configure konqueror > plugins > 'scan for plugins', or you can check the box ' scan..startup'. Make sure the '/usr/lib/firefox/plugins' is in the list of directories to scan.
[08:40] <Jeroi> so there
[08:40] <Jeroi> your kongueror is happy
[08:41] <mempman> adnan@adnanslaptop:~$ rmmod soundcore
[08:41] <ganjamaniac> i use knome
[08:41] <mempman> ERROR: Module soundcore is in use by snd
[08:41] <mempman> adnan@adnanslaptop:~$ rmmod snd
[08:41] <ganjamaniac> a gnome based on kde
[08:41] <Linux_Galore> if you install the adobe flash package you dont have to do anything
[08:41] <Jeroi> was not that bad to fix kongueror flash after that update
[08:41] <mempman> ERROR: Module snd is in use by snd_hda_intel,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
[08:41] <mempman> adnan@adnanslaptop:~$ rmmod -f soundcore
[08:41] <mempman> ERROR: Removing 'soundcore': Operation not permitted
[08:41] <mempman> adnan@adnanslaptop:~$ sudo rmmod -f soundcore
[08:41] <mempman> [sudo] password for adnan:
[08:41] <mempman> ERROR: Removing 'soundcore': Resource temporarily unavailable
[08:41] <mempman> adnan@adnanslaptop:~$
[08:41] <mempman> whoops sorry
[08:41] <Linux_Galore> mempman:  eeer sudo
[08:42] <Jeroi> mempman nopaste for long pastes I think is recommended
[08:42] <Linux_Galore> mempman:  a user cant change a system process, use sudo
[08:42] <mempman> sorry bout that
[08:42] <Jeroi> maybe 4 lines of pasting to irc is proper paste thump rule
[08:42] <mempman> adnan@adnanslaptop:~$ sudo rmmod soundcore
[08:42] <mempman> ERROR: Module soundcore is in use by snd
[08:42] <mempman> jeroi: sorry bro
[08:42] <Jeroi> dont mind tho
[08:43] <Linux_Galore> udo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop
[08:43] <Linux_Galore> oops
[08:43] <Linux_Galore> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop
[08:44] <Linux_Galore> or sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset
[08:44] <mempman> Linux_Galore, i will try that
[08:45] <Linux_Galore> mempman: sounds like the sound server crashed
[08:45] <mempman> maybe ...
[08:45] <INFOEXCLUDED> pulse audio
[08:46] <Linux_Galore> meh, phonon
[08:47] <mempman> im sleepy
[08:48] <Linux_Galore> mempman: if sound is jammed it usually means a process is stuck, oft not the sound server but an application, ksysguard will show all the running processes and allow you to kill the one that is crashed
[08:49] <mempman> let me give that a shot......
[08:49] <mempman> LInux_Galore,
[08:49] <mempman> what exactly is PCM in mixer setting?
[08:49] <Jeroi> hopely qhuestion dit use ctrl-alt-delete to restart x
[08:49] <Jeroi> not restart whole livecd
[08:49] <Jeroi> as then his settings get deleted
[08:50] <Jeroi> hey anyone knows here about amarok?
[08:50] <INFOEXCLUDED> use top to see what processes is hogging the computer and kill it
[08:50] <Jeroi> my amarok dont remember my settings
[08:50] <Jeroi> I mean lists
[08:50] <Jeroi> playlists
[08:51] <Jeroi> I want after reboot that amarok should play my last playlist before reboot
[08:51] <Jeroi> saving playlist dont help neither
[08:51] <Jeroi> I need to scan my playlist from media, to load it back to playlists
[08:52] <Jeroi> it is really frustrating
[08:52] <bazhang> Jeroi: did you tell amarok where to scan for music? that does the trick for me
[08:52] <INFOEXCLUDED> a friend of mine tells me RIAA has dosnnted alot of money to amarok
[08:52] <Jeroi> ?
[08:52] <Jeroi> from where?
[08:52] <Jeroi> settings?
[08:53] <Jeroi> problem may be, that my music is on ntfs partition
[08:53] <Jeroi> I have 5 ntfs partitions
[08:53] <Jeroi> 1 ext3
[08:54] <Linux_Galore> INFOEXCLUDED = troll
[08:54] <Jeroi> but windows dosend have any problems if you isntall ext3.dll
[08:54] <bazhang> sure is
[08:54] <Jeroi> it sees ext3 disks like normal windows partitions
[08:54] <Jeroi> or was it ext2.dll
[08:55] <Jeroi> dont remeber
[08:55] <Bicubic> um. How do I get kubuntu to actually restart and not reopen previous apps?
[08:55] <Jeroi> Bicubic
[08:55] <Jeroi> system settingsd
[08:55] <bazhang> Jeroi: do you have read and write permisiions to those ntfs partititions?
[08:55] <Jeroi> there is kde session handling
[08:55] <Jeroi> option, dont load last session on startup
[08:55] <Linux_Galore> Bicubic: log out properly ie log out of the session and in the login screen select shutdown
[08:55] <bdgraue> im trying to file a bug in klettres-kde4 but i don't find any project in launchpad that matches :(
[08:55] <Bicubic> okay thank you
[08:59] <Jeroi> bazhang yes
[08:59] <Linux_Galore> http://bugs.kde.org/
[08:59] <Jeroi> I do
[08:59] <Jeroi> but ftp program cant login users, if users have ntfs partiton home folder
[09:00] <Jeroi> id says: cannot give anonymous privlidges
[09:00] <Jeroi> and you cannot chmod ntfs drives?
[09:00] <Jeroi> or does ntfs partitions use somekind of chmod ruling?
[09:01] <Jeroi> if set ext3 folder
[09:01] <Jeroi> then I can chmod 7777 it
[09:01] <Jeroi> and then my users can login
[09:01] <tmske> does anyone have a working Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 02)? I found tutorials but they only seem to work for rev 01
[09:02] <Linux_Galore> wtf, why are you using NTFS in Linux
[09:02] <Jeroi> because I have windows also
[09:02] <Jeroi> An dused windows like 12 years
[09:02] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: yes so, Linux doesnt need to be NTFS
[09:02] <Jeroi> from 3.1 in school do xp
[09:02] <Jeroi> to*
[09:02] <Jeroi> Linux_Galore my linux is on ext3 drive
[09:03] <Jeroi> but my storage drives are ntfs
[09:03] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: ok fine
[09:03] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: aaah yeah the drive permissions have been set
[09:03] <Linux_Galore> have not*
[09:04] <Jeroi> can I give permissions to ntfs drive?
[09:04] <Jeroi> with chmod command and chown
[09:04] <Linux_Galore> sudo konqueror    then just go the /media  click on the right click on the driver -> properties    then set the permissions
[09:04] <Linux_Galore> oops
[09:05] <Linux_Galore> sudo konqueror    then just go the /media  directory then  right click on the drive -> properties    then set the permissions
[09:05] <Jeroi> My other problem is taht ftp server dont allow my local users password, if they have group anime-fan, but it allows if my users have group ftp
[09:05] <LimCore> how to run COMPIZ?  with compiz-fussion the kde is running on top of it or what?  and how to have the 3d cube desktops and other stuff
[09:06] <Linux_Galore> !compiz
[09:06] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[09:06] <Jeroi> so
[09:06] <Jeroi> If I keep group in ftp, I should be ok
[09:06] <Linux_Galore> LimCore: should wait for KDE 4 that has a compiz-fusion manager
[09:06] <Jeroi> as ftp program sets homefolder anyway
[09:06] <Jeroi> for that partical local user
[09:07] <Jeroi> and restricts their right
[09:07] <Jeroi> +s
[09:07] <LimCore> Linux_Galore: and before that?
[09:07] <Linux_Galore> LimCore: before then you have allot of stuffing around
[09:07] <sigra> anyone know how to install xine..I using adept package manager in kde but xine is greyed out so i can not select it for install?
[09:08] <Jeroi> whats good in compizfusion?
[09:08] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: have you got a decent video card for starters
[09:08] <Jeroi> 8600GT
[09:08] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: just use normal Ubuntu then
[09:08] <se7en> LimCore: it works fine even in kde3
[09:08] <Jeroi> yeah
[09:09] <Jeroi> Bought this because it is cheap, but can manage htcp signals better than 8800
[09:09] <LimCore> se7en: hmm so howto...?
[09:09] <sigra> anyone else have xine working on kde 4
[09:09] <se7en> !compiz
[09:09] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[09:09] <ubuntu_> There is any alpha / beta with kde4 ?
[09:09] <sigra> KDE 4 is at rc 2
[09:09] <Linux_Galore> I think there is a Kubuntu hardie image with kde 4
[09:10] <Jeroi> as I watch alot videos thrue my compt to lcd
[09:10] <ubuntu_> I use this image now, but here is 3.5.8
[09:10] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: you dont need compiz for video
[09:10] <Jeroi> I know
[09:10] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: in fact it slows it down
[09:10] <Jeroi> I used that beryl with edgy
[09:10] <Jeroi> but it freesed alot of normal using
[09:11] <Jeroi> so it sucked totally
[09:11] <sigra> I have KDE 4 RC2 on kubuntu 7.10 but i cannot get flash or xine work with it.
[09:11] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: compiz-fussion is beryl
[09:11] <Jeroi> ok
[09:12] <Linux_Galore> Ive already tried compiz-fussion, cpu runs hot and UI is unstable
[09:12] <sigra> compiz-fussion runs excellent on my machine
[09:13] <Jeroi> well I dont need that much eye candy
[09:13]  * ksivaji 
[09:13] <Jeroi> I ust need working gui for starters
[09:13] <Jeroi> just
[09:13] <Linux_Galore> Im happy to wait for kde 4.1 with better compiz/plasma integration
[09:14] <Jeroi> that said, I hope that  kde4 brings not laggy window moving, not laggy firefox scrollbar starting to move
[09:14] <Linux_Galore> I remember kde 2.0 and kde 3.0 releases, train wrecks
[09:14] <se7en> LimCore: if your graphic card driver is working just sudo apt-get install compiz-kde compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extracompizconfig-settings-manager emerald librsvg2-common and than compiz --replace
[09:15] <awag22> anyone ever had firefox suddenly stop letting you restore sessions after a crash?
[09:15] <awag22> i have the option enabled in settings
[09:15] <awag22> to restore on start
[09:15] <Linux_Galore> awag22: yes,  run   killall -9 firefox-bin
[09:16] <awag22> what does the -9 do?
[09:16] <Jeroi> or go to kde system settings
[09:16] <Linux_Galore> awag22:  kills the process without being nice about it
[09:16] <Jeroi> if you use kde
[09:16] <awag22> yes i use kde
[09:16] <Jeroi> But that command is faster
[09:17] <awag22> and after i do this i should be able to restore my previous session?
[09:17] <Linux_Galore> every now and again firefox jams up on me and wont restart so I use the killall -9 firefox-bin  command
[09:18] <Linux_Galore> awag22: it will ask you if you want to restore the last session - yes
[09:18] <se7en> Jeroi: just to understand what would he do in kde system settings?
[09:20] <awag22> ok i'll try it in a minute, but why will this suddenly make firefox want to let me restore sessions again? i can start firefox no problem after it crashes, it just automatically goes to a blank page, with no prompt for session restore
[09:20] <awag22> even though i have restore on start enabled
[09:21] <Jeroi> awag22
[09:21] <Jeroi> because you already have firefox session
[09:22] <Jeroi> that is crashed
[09:22] <Jeroi> firefox assumes that you just open new window to that session
[09:22] <Jeroi> or that is what I believe
[09:22] <awag22> ah, that makes sense
[09:22] <Jeroi> when you kill all firefox, then open firefox, it should ask to open last session
[09:23] <Jeroi> if you lost your session
[09:23] <Linux_Galore> awag22: if it doesnt ask to open your last session it means the old session is still running and broken
[09:23] <Jeroi> firefox wont ask it
[09:24] <Jeroi> until you have colsed firefox next time with sites on tabs
[09:24] <awag22> thanks guys, i'll try this as soon as a finish using my current firefox session
[09:24] <awag22> and i guess since kdm saves my kde sessions
[09:24] <awag22> i keep having that rouge firefox session running in the background even when i restart?
[09:24] <Jeroi> I removed session loading from kde
[09:24] <Linux_Galore> awag22: no
[09:25] <Jeroi> I truly hated that
[09:25] <Jeroi> like 5 programs starts on startup suddenly when I want to open texteditor just to take phonenumber to textfile
[09:25] <Linux_Galore> awag22: it will start firefox yes but a new session on a restart
[09:26] <awag22> hmm, shouldn't that new session give me the option to restore the session that was there when i restarted ?
[09:26] <Jeroi> no
[09:26] <Pennycook> I've got a BASH question; is there any nice way to go through all the files in a directory and rename them if they meet a certain criteria?  I've tried using for i in $( ls ) ; do, but some of the file names have spaces in
[09:26] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: heh, I wrote a script that open a little QT query window noting what i still running and do i want to kill it
[09:26] <Linux_Galore> opens*
[09:27] <kub^> awag22:  i think what you need for that is an addon called tab mix
[09:27] <llutz> Pennycook: use find + xargs
[09:27] <Jeroi> really?
[09:27] <Jeroi> I want that too
[09:27] <Jeroi> but does kde have servicehandling?
[09:27] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: windows 95 had it I cant understand why kde hasnt got it
[09:28] <Jeroi> one thing about kde tho
[09:28] <llutz> Pennycook: if you use" for i in ..."  then use "$i" to work with spaces in names
[09:28] <Jeroi> the sessiond handling dosent remeber some of the program closings
[09:28] <Jeroi> if in this session I close 1 program, kde opens taht program on reboot anyways
[09:28] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: only if you dont log out
[09:29] <Jeroi> ah
[09:29] <Pennycook> I'll try that.  Thanks llutz
[09:29] <Jeroi> I shut always from l-menu-logout, reboot
[09:29] <Jeroi> k-menu
[09:29] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: shutdown in KDE is really poorly implimented
[09:29] <Jeroi> nice
[09:30] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: you can actually tell kde not to start certain apps
[09:30] <Linux_Galore> to work around it
[09:30] <Jeroi> lol
[09:30] <Linux_Galore> it in kcontrol
[09:30] <Linux_Galore> its*
[09:30] <Jeroi> well
[09:30] <Jeroi> I shutdown the session handling from kde
[09:31] <Jeroi> it helped a lot
[09:31] <Linux_Galore> I have a long list of stuff noted not to be automatically started by kde
[09:31] <Jeroi> :D
[09:31] <Linux_Galore> its very easy to setup
[09:32] <Jeroi> I am happy that some command that I typed to save alsa settings worked
[09:32] <Jeroi> I just noticed that spdif works after reboot
[09:33] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: yeah, another thing I dont like is the lack of a good scanner config tool and what is available makes BeOS look good
[09:33] <Jeroi> it is most stupid thing to have alsa-mixer, that dont save your settings when you close it
[09:33] <llutz> Jeroi: use alsactl store to save it
[09:33] <Jeroi> yes
[09:33] <Jeroi> that command it was
[09:33] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: I ended up writing my own program to manage a few network scanners I have
[09:34] <Jeroi> lol
[09:34] <Jeroi> Why dont you publicy them?
[09:35] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: because they are hacks and centric to my hardware setup ie I dont offer much in the way of configuration
[09:35] <Linux_Galore> imagine hacking the code to define the hardware parameters
[09:36] <Jeroi> Linux_Galore do you knoiw what was huge problem to me with kubuntu install?
[09:36] <Linux_Galore> I cant see a normal user doing that
[09:36] <Pennycook> llutz: for file in $( find /music );... with an echo $file still gives me broken filenames at spaces; am I missing an argument to find?
[09:36] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: what
[09:36] <Jeroi> 1. 1 ata133 disk
[09:36] <Jeroi> 2. 2 x SATA2 drives
[09:36] <llutz> Pennycook: echo "$file"
[09:37] <Jeroi> myt mobo presumes default that ata133 drives are primary
[09:37] <Jeroi> sata2 drives come secundary
[09:37] <Jeroi> so
[09:37] <llutz> Pennycook: find /music -name abc*  -exec rm {} \;
[09:37] <Jeroi> at insatller, installer presume that my windows is on disk0
[09:37] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: yeah, heard about that
[09:37] <Jeroi> withc not true
[09:38] <Jeroi> as my windows is disk1.0
[09:38] <Jeroi> so grub is installed into disk0
[09:38] <Jeroi> but
[09:38] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: unplug the drive
[09:38] <Pennycook> llutz: Sorry, that was a typo on my part, with "" it doesn't work either.
[09:38] <Jeroi> right after operating system starts to use disks
[09:38] <Jeroi> mobo starts to use sata2 primary
[09:39] <Jeroi> then ata133 secundary
[09:39] <Jeroi> then when I am at grub
[09:39] <Jeroi> I must edit the grub to sotart linux from 0,4
[09:39] <Jeroi> not 1.4
[09:39] <Jeroi> thats a evil thing
[09:39] <Jeroi> an evil
[09:40] <Jeroi> well
[09:40] <Linux_Galore> Jeroi: I never dual boot'
[09:40] <Pennycook> llutz: Problem with using -exec rm is that I only want to delete the .mp3 file if a .wma file already exists.  soundKonverter messed up and I've got 5300 .mp3 files floating around with no sound
[09:40] <Jeroi> I am buying my 3rd sata2 drive soon
[09:41] <Linux_Galore> PC's are cheap why bother
[09:41] <Jeroi> so I unplug my ata133 drive then
[09:41] <Jeroi> I should not have problems anymore
[09:43] <dsmith_> hello room I have an issue: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock
[09:43] <dsmith_> I copied the fstab lines verbatim fromone machine to the other
[09:43] <dsmith_> i keep getting an error
[09:44] <dsmith_> here is a line from my fstab: 192.168.0.152:/export/Disk-1/ /media/DawnNAS2 nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr,rw,user,auto 0 0
[09:44] <kristjan_> how to recover "$HOME/.bashrc file"?
[09:44] <dsmith_> look ok?
[09:47] <bazhang> !night
[09:47] <ubotu> It's the middle of the night in the US and Europe, and surrounds.  This means that a lot of people are likely asleep, therefore there are less potential people who can answer your question.  Please be patient, and consider asking at a time when more people will be awake.  This is particularly true in the quieter channels.
[09:48] <dsmith_> bazhang, and your point being? lol
[09:48] <dsmith_> sup man
[09:48] <bazhang> dsmith_: surely someone will help you as soon as they get up
[09:49] <dsmith_> i'll figure it out in time
[09:49] <dsmith_> :)
[09:49] <Lynoure> bazhang: heh, "US and Europe and surroundings" is most of the globe
[09:49] <bazhang> dsmith_: sorry but that is way above my knowledge level :}
[09:49] <dsmith_> how long you been using linux now?
[09:49] <bazhang> Lynoure: true dat
[09:49] <bazhang> dsmith me?
[09:49] <dsmith_> yes u
[09:50] <bazhang> year plus
[09:50] <dsmith_> aren't you new in here?
[09:50] <bazhang> not really--just mostly hang in #ubuntu--lots easier over there :}
[09:51] <dsmith_> :)
[09:51] <pag> dsmith_, do you have nfs-common installed?
[09:51] <dsmith_> hmmm
[09:51] <dsmith_> let me check
[09:51] <dsmith_> that may explain
[09:51] <dsmith_> heh nope
[09:51] <dsmith_> :)
[09:52] <dsmith_> been awhile since I poked with nfs and a server
[09:52] <dsmith_> no wonder....duh
[09:53] <dsmith_> pag: thx alot man
[09:53] <pag> dsmith_, np :)
[09:53] <dsmith_> see,if I am not actively using something. I tend to forget about it
[09:54] <dsmith_> i hooked up my Gf's NAS and copied over her fstab files to my lappy
[09:54] <dsmith_> I was like wtf.. is going on
[09:54] <dsmith_> again thx again and MErry Xmas
[09:56] <bazhang> nice!
[09:56] <Pennycook> Is there any way to make a bash script wait?  I think it's running my awk on a partially complete file
[09:57] <NickPresta> Pennycook, `man sleep`
[09:59] <se7en> i need some help with kmobiletools ... i get a signal level an a battery level and thats about it phone book doesen't work and nothing else
[10:00] <Pennycook> Thanks NickPresta
[10:00] <gaps> hi an alle
[10:02] <bazhang> hi gaps
[10:05] <Pennycook> Something keeps going wrong. >.<  Whenever I run my awk command it gets rid of most of the file: awk '{gsub("wma", "mp3", $0); print>FILENAME}' wmas.lst
[10:05] <se7en> anyone use kmobiletools
[10:13] <cj_> hi
[10:14] <cj_> how do i install video codecs on kubuntu
[10:14] <cj_> and also where are the desktop effects?
[10:15] <pag> cj_, open konsole and type " sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras "
[10:15] <pag> !compiz | cj_
[10:15] <ubotu> cj_: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[10:15] <cj_> is kubuntu lagging behind ubuntu?
[10:16] <stdin> no, compiz just doesn't work that well with kde
[10:16] <cj_> how about kde 4?
[10:16] <pag> cj_, kde4 will have effect of its own
[10:17] <stdin> and nice ones too :)
[10:18] <cj_> how safe is it to install the packages in the /topic? last time i tried using it after installing from a beta gutsy install cd it hosed apt
[10:18] <stdin> safe, as long as you *read* the instructions ;)
[10:19] <cj_> stdin, that i did
[10:19] <bazhang> haha
[10:19] <cj_> file collisons, perhaps the install cd had files in different places
[10:20] <stdin> there are only file collisions if you don't remove the old packages first (which it says to do in the instructions)
[10:20] <cj_> so, kubuntu ships with kde4 libs already?
[10:21] <stdin> no
[10:21] <cj_> i only never uninstalled as i had never previously tried kde4 on this system
[10:21] <stdin> as long as you do what the instructions say, you won't get errors
[10:22] <cj_> i'll give it another go. cheers for the inspiration stdin
[10:23] <DreadKnight> is anyone using hardy with kde4 allready?
[10:23] <stdin> DreadKnight: yes (but hardy discussion in #ubuntu+1 )
[10:23] <DreadKnight> stdin: ok, thanks :0
[10:24] <ehamberg> If I add a new repository and install package foo (newer version than the one in the default repositories) and then remove that repo, how can I downgrade to kubuntu's version?
[10:25] <llutz> aptitude install package=version.number
[10:25] <stdin> find what version kubuntu has "apt-cache policy foo" and then install it with "sudo apt-get install foo=old-version"
[10:27] <ehamberg> stdin, llutz: worked like a charm. Thanks
[10:37] <anakin_> why am i getting this message "tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" when i try smbclient -L hostname?
[10:38] <heksa> any idea what codec i'm missing in kubuntu, because none of the players (vlc,mplayer, xine) wont play standard xvid file. it only shows rainbow colors. but the file still works in unbuntu-desktop in my friends computer. i have installed w32codecs and kubuntu-restricted-extras. still no go :/
[10:39] <pag> heksa, try installing libxvidcore4
[10:40] <tid-wave> hello. after upgrading some packages, arts got broken and amarok failed to start whenever the kde sound system was active. If I go to the system settings and re-enable the sound system it says "Starting sound system" and the dialog never closes.
[10:41] <tid-wave> the progress bar goes from 0 to 100% again and again .. any ideas about how can I fix this?
[10:42] <heksa> pag: installed allready
[10:44] <heksa> just strange that never the less i have all the needed codecs installed, still it shows rainbow colors. even reinstalled players, no go
[10:48] <Futt> Anyone tested KDE4rc2 on Gutsy?
[10:49] <Dekans> Futt: I did
[10:51] <Futt> OK, work out OK for you?
[10:52] <Futt> Been having some weird issues, like missing icons and just a gray  bar instead of the "kicker"
[10:52] <Dekans> kicker was almost working
[10:52] <Futt> Screenshot: http://bayimg.com/JaIEJaabG
[10:52] <Dekans> I had a K menu \o/
[10:52] <Futt> Heh yeah me too, K menu and a clock
[10:53] <Futt> But the rest was just a huge dark gray slab covering 1/6 of the screen or something
[10:53] <Dekans> but I did not managed to use corrrectly the widgets
[10:53] <Futt> No can't get widgets to dock in kicker, just on the desktop
[10:54] <Dekans> with the first alpha I could move the clock from desktop to systray
[10:54] <Dekans> and vice-versa
[10:54] <Futt> No 3D accel on this puter thou (old IBM laptop with a Savage gfx card) - could be plasma barfing or something
[10:54] <Futt> If I turn on desktop effects it goes completely wonky
[10:55] <Dekans> with 3D accel, openGL is very slow
[10:55] <Dekans> and Xrander is a minefield
[10:56] <Dekans> and I don't have all the activated effects
[10:56] <Dekans> like thumbnails
[10:56] <Futt> No I turned off all effects, kicker still doesn't work thou
[10:56] <Futt> Widgets seem fine, except they wont dock in what should probably be the kicker...
[10:57] <Dekans> waiting for KDE 4.1 :p
[10:57] <Futt> Hehe yeah - bring on SP1 :P
[10:57] <Dekans> I don't know if plasma wil be ready in 3 weeks
[10:58] <Futt> No things seem pretty shaky for a release candidate if you ask me...
[10:59] <Futt> Looks like they adopted the Microsoft terminology.. RC=alpha, release=beta, SP1=RC, SP2=release etc
[10:59] <Futt> ;)
[11:00] <Futt> Also - could be because of the other issues - but why is everyting so friggin huge?
[11:00] <Dekans> I think 4.1 will be a complete release
[11:00] <Dekans> but it looks like vista yes XD
[11:00] <Futt> Guessing the kicker isnt supposed to take up 1/6 of the screen but still
[11:01] <vbgunz> anybody install the latest nvidia driver from nvidia? 169.07?
[11:01] <Futt> Fisher-Price "My First GUI" :P
[11:01] <Xcell> lol
[11:01] <vbgunz> has it destroyed your games e.g., warsow, foobilliard, etc?
[11:02] <vbgunz> did you fix it somehow, how?
[11:02] <Xcell> coleco was my 1rst
[11:03] <Futt> Parents bought a C= 64 sometime in the mid 80s... When was the Coleco out?
[11:03] <Xcell> 75
[11:03] <Futt> Heh I was 1 year old then :P
[11:03] <Xcell> ping pong
[11:03] <Xcell> 1 was 15
[11:03] <freitasx> hallo
[11:04] <Xcell> im still 39
[11:04] <Dekans> I was -10 :p
[11:05] <Futt> Yeah I'm 29 :P
[11:06] <Futt> Still love my C= games too
[11:06] <freitasx> yeah
[11:06] <Futt> Though I must say I felt pretty stupid playing Frogger on my XBox 360 heh
[11:07] <Futt> And got me a GP2X just to run Frodo
[11:07] <Futt> Good times
[11:09] <Futt> What's the new "kicker" called anyway? Apparently not kicker ;) Is it just another widget?
[11:11] <risto> what text editor you guys use ???
[11:12] <Futt> Kwrite
[11:12] <Futt> or vim if console
[11:14] <cj_> whats the best way of uninstalling all the kde4 packages in the /topic?
[11:15] <Futt> apt-get remove the manually installed ones
[11:15] <Futt> then do an apt-get autoremove to nuke unused dependencies
[11:16] <cj_> cheers Futt. sure beats grep install /var/log/dpkg.log | sed -n '3181,3468p' | cut -d' ' -f5 | xargs apt-get remove
[11:18] <Futt> I dunno, personally I am a big fan of overcomplicating things :P
[11:19] <travkin> Is there users, who use Kubuntu 8.04 alpha 2?
[11:19] <travkin> I have problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=648099
[11:20] <travkin> GTK isnt working, no theme using :/
[11:20] <cj_> Futt, still seems to be lots of cruft
[11:20] <Lynoure> travkin: try #ubuntu+1
[11:20] <Lynoure> travkin: that's the support channel for the upcoming release
[11:20] <travkin> Okay, thank you.
[11:22] <Futt> cj_: hm what's left?
[11:27] <Pennycook> bazhang: Was it you that recommended qtparted to me yesterday?
[11:28] <eshat> hey all,... my notebook hotkeys doesn't work properly,... if i press FN+Up or FN+Down i only see this symbol saying, that i switch volume between 0% and 11% but that does affect volume at all... mute and unmute works,... any ideas?
[11:32] <Pennycook> Anybody else at all experienced with qtparted?
[11:33] <pag> Pennycook, I've used it couple of years ago..
[11:35] <gaps> kennt jemand ein gutes freebook von apache 2.2
[11:35] <gaps> hauptsächlich konfiguration
[11:36] <Pennycook> pag: Okay.  I've got a 250GB HDD with several partitions; one is my /swap, one is my / and another is an ntfs partition mounted at /media/sda6.  I wanted to format sda6 as ext3 but qtparted says I have to unmount the entire drive before I can partition it
[11:36] <Lynoure> gaps: if you have a configuration problem, there are plenty of people that can help you, if you can ask in English
[11:36] <Lynoure> gaps: then there is also #kubuntu-de and #ubuntu-de, for German.
[11:37] <gaps> oh sorry
[11:37] <gaps> im change the channel
[11:37] <pag> Pennycook, sounds reasonable. just start you computer with LiveCD
[11:38]  * Pennycook facepalm.
[11:38] <ax1s> anyone else here having a problem changing the default webcam port with Kopete
[11:38] <Pennycook> Of course.  Thanks
[11:38] <ax1s> please check out the bug i filed and see if we can get this rolling
[11:40] <Lynoure> 8.04 Kubuntu will not be LTS?
[11:40] <pag> Lynoure, afaik no it won't
[11:41] <Lynoure> and the next LTS version is when?
[11:41] <gr1dlocked> isnt 6.06 supported till 2010
[11:41] <pag> Lynoure, erm.. 9.04 maybe? :\
[11:42] <Lynoure> There are some systems that were supposed to go from LTS to LTS, and waiting till 2010 for the next one is quite long...
[11:42] <gr1dlocked> !info pinning
[11:42] <ubotu> Package pinning does not exist in gutsy
[11:43] <gr1dlocked> ???????????
[11:43] <Lynoure> gr1dlocked: supported yes, horribly ancienty by then, unfortunately yes, too
[11:43] <Lynoure> gr1dlocked: it's a technique, not a package
[11:43] <Lynoure> !pinning
[11:43] <ubotu> pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[11:43] <gr1dlocked> thx
[11:43] <gr1dlocked> i think gutsy is using SVN release of kopete
[11:43] <gr1dlocked> and 0.12.7 breaks changing incomming webcam port
[11:44] <gr1dlocked> also anyone know what i should select when the package update breaks on libqt3-mt
[11:45] <gr1dlocked> yes/no/default
[11:46] <gr1dlocked> Lynoure: Is 6.06 still using the old firefox?
[11:47] <dreamcoder> should i use 64bit kubuntu or 32bit?
[11:47] <pag> gr1dlocked, 1.5.x, iirc.
[11:47] <gr1dlocked> dreamcoder: how much ram do you have
[11:47] <gr1dlocked> 1.5 .. :/
[11:47] <dreamcoder> 1gb at mo i kno i wont be getting more than 4gb for a while
[11:48] <gr1dlocked> use 32 for now IMO
[11:48] <dreamcoder> okie
[11:48] <pag> dreamcoder, if you do not *need* 64bit, then you'll be better off with 32bit
[11:48] <Lynoure> gr1dlocked: old being how old? :)
[11:48] <gr1dlocked> less hassles, plus i've looked up benchmarks and haven't seen any gains
[11:48] <dreamcoder> i was going to use 64bit just because i encode videos alot and wondered if it wud be a speed increase
[11:48] <gr1dlocked> Lynoure: Well you couldn't download half the themes on firefox.org :/
[11:49] <Lynoure> gr1dlocked: I would not recommend LTS -> LTS paths for people wanting to theme a lot of stuff :)
[11:49] <gr1dlocked> dreamcoder: Lookup benchmarks, but from my research I haven't seen any real gains
[11:49] <dreamcoder> okie thanks
[11:50] <gr1dlocked> Lynoure: True..
[11:50] <dreamcoder> i have been using 64bit for a while now... only thing that was annoying me is cant get frostwire to work
[11:51] <gr1dlocked> dreamcoder: If you can get a 64 bit system up and running, that would be great, put more pressure on developers to start moving to64
[11:51] <dreamcoder> i have it all ready n working apart from the frostwire java problem
[11:52] <dreamcoder> and thus was going to go back to 32bit
[11:52] <gr1dlocked> i'm not familiar with how, but can't you emu 32 bit web browser/java
[11:52] <dreamcoder> yes i have a 32bit browser installed
[11:53] <dreamcoder> swifteasel
[11:53] <jackcy> hi there, anybody who can help me with python tutorial?
[11:53] <dreamcoder> but frostwire is just really annoying lol i have chose the 1.4 java sun and it still refuses to see my java....
[11:54] <eshat> hey all,... my notebook hotkeys doesn't work properly,... if i press FN+Up or FN+Down i only see this symbol saying, that i switch volume between 0% and 11% but that does affect volume at all... mute and unmute works,... any ideas?
[11:54] <gr1dlocked> dreamcoder: what is frostwire for?  i think p2p but what  network
[11:54] <gr1dlocked> limewire eh
[11:55] <posingaspopular> gr1dlocked: limewire
[11:55] <dreamcoder> yea
[11:55] <posingaspopular> jackcy: i know a little python, i can try
[11:57] <gr1dlocked> dreamcoder: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-477363.html   <-- looks like sambehera fixed it
[11:57] <dreamcoder> i have just fixed it myself hahaha eee thanks though!
[11:58] <gr1dlocked> nice one brotha
[11:58] <gr1dlocked> =D
[11:58] <dreamcoder> i tried using 32bit java and it worked a treat !
[11:58] <dreamcoder> from java 1.7 isnt that supposed to be 64bit compliant?
[11:59] <gr1dlocked> not sure %P
[11:59] <gr1dlocked> i am waiting for official java 64
[11:59] <eshat> i ll try the hardy alpha now ,... :D
[11:59] <dreamcoder> when is that due for releasE?
[11:59] <eshat> is there a way to blacklist a module with kernel parameters ?
[12:01] <gr1dlocked> is there any point in registering bugs for release or should i just try the lates beta
[12:01] <gr1dlocked> releases*
[12:02] <posingaspopular> gr1dlocked: register the bugs
[12:02] <posingaspopular> but helping test teh alpha/betas is great too
[12:02] <gr1dlocked> cool
[12:04] <gr1dlocked> anyone here using the latest alpha/beta for kubuntu ?  do you know which version of kopete it includes
[12:04] <gr1dlocked> offhand
[12:05] <ebaad> hello, need help with gallery2 please
[12:05] <noaXess> hi all
[12:05] <ebaad> can somebody help me with gallery2 seeetup
[12:05] <pag> gr1dlocked, " Version 4:3.5.8-1ubuntu3 (hardy) "
[12:05] <noaXess> can't watch a dvd in my dvd drive.. have tried kaffeine and vlc..
[12:06] <gr1dlocked> pag: but which kopete version is that
[12:06] <noaXess> kaffeine means source seems encrypted
[12:06] <gr1dlocked> pag: 0.12.#
[12:06] <noaXess> !dvd
[12:06] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[12:06] <gr1dlocked> !info kopete
[12:06] <pag> gr1dlocked, hmm.. probably .7?
[12:06] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 7140 kB, installed size 19708 kB
[12:07] <ebaad> I'm running latest kubuntu and just tried to install galler2 but could not bring up the index.php configure window
[12:07] <jackcy> libdvdcss2 for dvd support can easily be installes with: sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[12:07] <gr1dlocked> pag: have you tried to receive any webcam stuff?
[12:07] <Kopfgeldjaeger> hello
[12:08] <Kopfgeldjaeger> where can i set the bitrate for my mp3 files (want to rip them from an audio cd) in k3b?
[12:08] <pag> gr1dlocked, I'm on gutsy... last time I did try, it worked fine... but it's been a while since I did, so I'm not even sure which Kopete version I was running then
[12:09] <gr1dlocked> pag: well changing the default webcam port has worked fine in all previous versions .. just seems like its stuck at 6891 on 0.12.7
[12:10] <gr1dlocked> i am waitinf for ppl with webcams on my list to wake up so i can see if reverting to 0.12.4 fixes
[12:16] <gr1dlocked> reverting to an older version didn't fix.. gonna re install feisty and see if the issue persists
[12:16] <gr1dlocked> uhg
[12:28] <voonte> What's the recommended way to install KDE4 (latest trunk) in Kubuntu (hardy alpha)?
[12:32] <chris19> halloooo =)
[12:32] <chris19> spricht zufällig jemand deutsch hier?
[12:34] <chris19> anyone who speaks german?
[12:44] <Hamra> i havea question about the kde 4 live cd mentioned in http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php , can way install kde4 from it, or just try it?
[12:45] <Hamra> we*
[12:48] <FSHero> Hello everybody; I used to use Xubuntu (Feisty), and whenever I used apt-get to install packages or download updates it used to ask me before downloading. How can I get the same behaviour in Kubuntu (Feisty)?
[12:53] <gr1dlocked> amsn freezes when logging in
[12:53] <gr1dlocked> sweet
[12:53] <gr1dlocked> why did gutsy break msn
[12:56] <gr1dlocked> gutsy.. taking 2 steps forward, 3 steps back
[12:56] <gr1dlocked> 4 steps back even
[13:10] <risto> is there pacage for eclipse to install PDT?
[13:16] <kadargo> hy folks
[13:17] <kadargo> i got a small problem with ubuntu gusty...... its about libqt3-mt...
[13:17] <gr1dlocked> yeah i'd like to know too
[13:17] <gr1dlocked> i filed a bug
[13:18] <gr1dlocked> seems pretty wack for a release to have that happen eh
[13:18] <kadargo> yes ;)
[13:18] <gr1dlocked> i'm starting to wonder if they even test before releasing anymore
[13:18] <gr1dlocked> also gutsy breaks changing default webcam port.. ?????? .. uhg
[13:18] <kadargo> i think yes... debian users seem to have the same prob
[13:18] <gr1dlocked> really
[13:19] <gr1dlocked> hrm
[13:19] <kadargo> BUT: why cant i find a solution on the net ??? i hate those kinds of problems
[13:19] <gr1dlocked> yeah.. i can't find anything
[13:19] <gr1dlocked> and everybody is playing with kde 4 and Hardy
[13:19] <gr1dlocked> like fix the release first
[13:20] <kadargo> <--- wonders why nobody response with a solution... ;)
[13:20] <gr1dlocked> same
[13:21] <gr1dlocked> i might revert to feisty
[13:21] <gr1dlocked> :/
[13:21] <kadargo> does it work with feisty ?
[13:21] <gr1dlocked> yah, beautifully
[13:21] <kadargo> big deal
[13:21] <gr1dlocked> i've also removed this version, and installed the old version...
[13:21] <gr1dlocked> of kopete.. and that did not help
[13:21] <gr1dlocked> i think it relates to the qt3 issue
[13:21] <jpatrick> gr1dlocked: that bug is fixed in gutsy-updates
[13:22] <gr1dlocked> jpatrick: kopete not changing port, or qt3
[13:22] <kadargo> hy jpatrick.. you know a solution for the libqt3-mt update issue ?
[13:22] <jpatrick> gr1dlocked: ah, I thought it was the kopete crashing bug
[13:22] <jpatrick> kadargo: nop, haven't had a problem with libqt3-mt
[13:23] <gr1dlocked> jpatrick: have you installed a fresh install of gutsy?
[13:23] <gr1dlocked> and tried to update?
[13:23] <jpatrick> gr1dlocked: I upgraded from feisty
[13:23] <gr1dlocked> yeah
[13:23] <gr1dlocked> if you install fresh it bugs out
[13:24] <gr1dlocked> the sources.list get messed up and everything
[13:24] <jpatrick> :| weird..
[13:24] <kadargo> great.. update works.. but a clean fresh install not ;)
[13:24] <gr1dlocked> lol
[13:24] <gr1dlocked> so weird
[13:24] <kadargo> yes
[13:25] <kadargo> and nobody here who knows something about it
[13:25] <gr1dlocked> have you tried hardy?
[13:25] <kadargo> nope
[13:25] <jpatrick> nop
[13:25] <gr1dlocked> i wonder if the same thing happens with that
[13:25] <gr1dlocked> i don't have many blank cds tho
[13:25] <gr1dlocked> i'm running out of options %P
[13:25] <kadargo> its alpha2... i have to work with my machine ;)
[13:26] <gr1dlocked> i bet the kopete issue is still there, but i wonder if the libqt3mt thing is still there
[13:26] <kadargo> whats the kopete issue ? what happens ?
[13:26] <gr1dlocked> kadargo: did you get passed it through console?
[13:26] <gr1dlocked> kadargo: You know where you can change the default webcam port?
[13:26] <gr1dlocked> kadargo: Well you can change it, but for some reason kopete INSISTS on using 6891
[13:26] <kadargo> i tried some howtos i find on the net... but nothing worked
[13:27] <gr1dlocked> kadargo fix your sources.list       --> /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:27] <gr1dlocked> then just upgrade again from console sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:27] <gr1dlocked> after updating
[13:27] <gr1dlocked> it'll go through, but you have to put in YES or nO
[13:28] <kadargo> i dream of a world where i can install linux without handwork ;)
[13:28] <gr1dlocked> :/ i know.. buntu was SO CLOSE
[13:28] <kadargo> 6.06 was close ;)
[13:28] <gr1dlocked> :/
[13:28] <risto> is there pacage for eclipse to install PDT?
[13:28] <gr1dlocked> i don't know what eclipse or pdt is
[13:29] <gr1dlocked> mercury msn is nice, but it won't detect my webcam at all :/
[13:29] <gr1dlocked> and amsn just freezes trying to connect
[13:30] <gr1dlocked> to server
[13:31] <gr1dlocked> yeah 6.06 uses less power too .. feisty makes my hard drive click
[13:31] <gr1dlocked> i think i'm going back to 6.06
[13:31] <gr1dlocked> UHG
[13:31] <gabbah> hello folks. I want to create an img of my linux installation, and put it on another partition. How can i do that?
[13:31] <gr1dlocked> unless i can get someone to show me how to install gentoo :)
[13:32] <kadargo> gentoo is easy now ;)
[13:32] <kadargo> they got livecds ;) otherwise try sabayon ;)
[13:32] <gr1dlocked> hmm
[13:32] <kadargo> sabayonlinux is gentoo based
[13:32] <kadargo> and well preconfigured ;)
[13:33] <gr1dlocked> then how come you are still working with buntu ;D
[13:33] <gr1dlocked> (just outta curiousity)
[13:33] <kadargo> gentoo is.....bleeding edge......... i have to trust my system ;)
[13:33] <gr1dlocked> oh right
[13:33] <gr1dlocked> that is what any non lts release feels like tho
[13:34] <gr1dlocked> :/
[13:34] <kadargo> maybe i try (hmpf) opensuse 10.3........ my last suse ver was 7.00 ;)
[13:34] <gr1dlocked> fedora?
[13:34] <gr1dlocked> yah
[13:34] <gr1dlocked> hahaha
[13:34] <kadargo> fedora got quite some long boot times
[13:34] <gr1dlocked> what about opensuse ? you lieked it?
[13:35] <voonte> Gentoo isn't that bleeding-edge if you don't use ~ARCH
[13:35] <gr1dlocked> i went from freebsd/openBSD to slackware, to redhat, to madrake, to buntu
[13:35] <kadargo> the old one... yes... but till 10.2 the boot time was very long... but now with 10.3 they said its much faster ;)
[13:35] <gr1dlocked> hrmm
[13:35] <kadargo> mandrake is cool... i like metisse ;)
[13:35] <gr1dlocked> well it was mandrive when i used it
[13:36] <gr1dlocked> mandriva*
[13:36] <gr1dlocked> long time ago
[13:36] <kadargo> yeah...ok .... mandriva
[13:36] <gr1dlocked> lol
[13:36] <kadargo> mandrake was the old name
[13:36] <gr1dlocked> see i already forget
[13:36] <kadargo> before merging with connectiva
[13:36] <gr1dlocked> riiight
[13:36] <gr1dlocked> ;D
[13:36] <gr1dlocked> hrmm.. i am going to try open suse
[13:37] <kadargo> be  carefull... new artwork is green ;)
[13:37] <gr1dlocked> i like green
[13:37] <gr1dlocked> :D
[13:37] <kadargo> gooodo
[13:37] <kadargo> goood
[13:37] <gr1dlocked> green like the special herb
[13:38] <gr1dlocked> http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/iso/cd/openSUSE-10.3-GM-KDE-Live-i386.iso
[13:38] <kadargo> i dont know what you mean (roll eyes...cough cough ;))
[13:38] <gr1dlocked> hehehehhe
[13:38] <kadargo> yes.. try live ;)
[13:38] <gr1dlocked> well i think i'm gonna play some nexuiz while this downloads
[13:39] <kadargo> i will log out now.... trying 10.3..... nice to met you ;)
[13:39] <gr1dlocked> u 2 man .. see you round :)
[13:39] <fudus> I managed to uninstall the updater :P
[13:39] <fudus> go me
[13:40] <gr1dlocked> hahhahaha
[13:40] <fudus> how do i get it back? :P
[13:40] <gr1dlocked> nice one
[13:40] <fudus> i also uninstalled libc
[13:40] <fudus> that was fun
[13:40] <fudus> lesson: purge is bad
[13:40] <gr1dlocked> what was it called .. did you uninstall it via terminal or the gui
[13:40] <fudus> purged cupsys
[13:40] <gr1dlocked> :/
[13:40] <fudus> ended up removing everything
[13:40] <fudus> libc adept udpater :P
[13:40] <gr1dlocked> eek
[13:41] <gr1dlocked> *goes back to game of nexuiz
[13:41] <gr1dlocked> :P
[13:41] <gr1dlocked> gl
[13:44] <romunov> haha, check out the xmess card: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wrhcard.jpg
[13:44] <fudus> going to stay in add/remove progs now like a good linux newb :(
[13:49] <fudus> how do i stop join/quit showing up in kopete?
[13:51] <posingaspopular> hey all i installed some program to monitor my traffic in and out on my computer, but i cant remember what it's called. it's not wireshark, but can anyone guess?
[14:00] <FSHero> posingaspopular: I don't know if this is what you need... but I use bmon. It's a command line based monitor of network interfaces.
[14:01] <FSHero> I use it to monitor my wireless network speeds and the data transferred.
[14:09] <posingaspopular> hmm
[14:09] <posingaspopular> works for me
[14:09] <posingaspopular> thanks FSHero
[14:09] <virtual> how can you set it so that the mouse wheel scroll always goes one page down?
[14:09] <virtual> All i can do is set it to 12 maximum, and i'd like it to scroll a page down always
[14:09] <posingaspopular> virtual: you mean for desktops?
[14:10] <FSHero> posingaspopular: np; glad I could help!
[14:10] <virtual> i mean like in windows control panel/mouse/wheel there is an option to set wheel to "one screen at a time"
[14:10] <virtual> all i can do in kubuntu is set it to 12 max
[14:11] <FSHero> virtual: I don't know about pages: but I bet you could change some sort of configuration file. Which one I don't know, however. Sorry.
[14:12] <virtual> how can i add kcontrol to the kde menu?
[14:12] <virtual> i don't like settings in kubuntu
[14:13] <FSHero> virtual: I guess that you could right-click the K-menu, click Menu Editor, then choose a category on the LHS into which you want to place the shortcut...
[14:13] <FSHero> ... then click File --> New Item --> Type a name e.g. "KControl", then click next...
[14:14] <FSHero> ... In the command box for the newly-created item, type kcontrol and finally click File --> Save.
[14:15] <FSHero> Does anyone know how to change the 'sensitivity' of the mouse? Not the acceleration factor (I turned acceleration off anyway), but how much the pointer moves for a given mouse movement.
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Howdy all : )
[14:15] <FSHero> Hi BluesKaj
[14:16] <FSHero> Say... you're a clever Kubuntu dude aren't you...?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> good news for nVidia owners http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_169.07.html
[14:16] <usr002> Heya mates
[14:16] <usr002> merry xmas
[14:16] <FSHero> BluesKaj: you mean for (rich) Geforce 8800 owners ;)
[14:16] <usr002> to all
[14:16] <BluesKaj> well, i wouldn't use that word FSHero
[14:16] <FSHero> Christmas... oh yeah, forgot about that! Merry XMas
[14:17] <FSHero> BluesKaj: which one? "clever" or "rich"?
[14:17] <FSHero> BluesKaj: I kid, I kid!
[14:17] <FSHero> Okay, question time: Does anyone know how to change the 'sensitivity' of the mouse? Not the acceleration factor (I turned acceleration off anyway), but how much the pointer moves for a given mouse movement.
[14:17] <BluesKaj> yeah Merry Christmas To All !
[14:18] <bazhang> you too!
[14:18] <usr002> Well mates after trying to install ati proprietary drivers for my radeon hd 2400 hd
[14:19] <BluesKaj> FSHero, ... both , I'm an old retired guy on fixed income so i belong to the ATI onboard graphics club , no fancy schmancy stuff for this guy :)
[14:19] <usr002> and reading the forums and wiki and i don't know what
[14:19] <usr002> more
[14:20] <BluesKaj> what isn't working , usr002 ?
[14:20] <usr002> ati
[14:20] <usr002> lol
[14:21] <virtual> how can i run as sudo all the time so i don't get any prompts anymore?
[14:21] <blizzzek> hi
[14:21] <llutz> virtual: you don't want to do that
[14:22] <llutz> virtual: if, sudo -s
[14:23] <farooq_m23> hi
[14:24] <lightman> hi room, anyone know what error 2 is for the grub loader
[14:24] <posingaspopular> hi farooq_m23
[14:24] <hannes_> how can I gain root rights in desktop mode? I mean if i want to edit config files or something like that
[14:24] <BluesKaj> AMD releases Catalyst 7.12 drivers, but only for Redhat and Suse
[14:24] <posingaspopular> !sudo | hannes_
[14:25] <ubotu> hannes_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[14:25] <pag> hannes_, for configfiles: kdesu kate /path/to/file
[14:25] <pag> !kdesudo
[14:25] <ubotu> In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[14:25] <hannes_> so I can only do it in terminal or what?
[14:26] <lightman> anyone know how to fix grub loader for dual boot system, i get error 2 on boot up...
[14:26] <hannes_> if I browse to the files in dolphin there's no way of opening them by double clicking and then editing it?
[14:28] <bazhang> lightman: want a factoid on that?
[14:28] <pag> hannes_, if your dolphin is opened as root user (which it shouldn't ever be) then (double?)clicking will open in root editor - otherwise kdesudo kate  is probably one of the easiest ways
[14:28] <lightman> whats that bazhang
[14:28] <bazhang> !grub | lightman
[14:28] <ubotu> lightman: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[14:29] <hannes_> okay, thanks
[14:29] <lightman> ok thanks will have a read...
[14:29] <pag> hannes_, in konqueror, if you right click on text file, there is "edit as root" option in Actions.. maybe Dolphin supports that as well..
[14:31] <DreadKnight> yes, dolphin has edit as root action
[14:31] <hannes_> I don't think dolphin has that feature
[14:31] <hannes_> it has?
[14:31] <DreadKnight> yup, use it all the time
[14:31] <hannes_> but I don't see it by right clicking on files
[14:31] <Hamra> i have a question about the kde 4 live cd mentioned in http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php , can we install kde4 from it, or just try it?
[14:31] <fudus> in konqueror how can i do sesssion restore like firefox?
[14:32] <Jeroi> lol
[14:32] <hannes_> oh, my bad, it's there alright :)
[14:32] <DreadKnight> fudus: well, in kde4 konqueror has the undo close tab feature..
[14:32] <Jeroi> why peeps want to use kde4 so hard?
[14:32] <Jeroi> Wwwhy cant wait for the official package
[14:32] <Jeroi> ?
[14:32] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: because people suffer from the "quiet desktop syndrome"
[14:33] <fudus> I'm enjoying kubuntu much more than ubuntu so far :P
[14:33] <DreadKnight> fudus: me 2... made the switch a while ago
[14:33] <Jeroi> :)
[14:34] <Jeroi> fudus
[14:34] <Jeroi> you enjoy kde then not gnome
[14:34] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: thinking myself to get hardy and kde4 actually xD
[14:34] <Jeroi> I will upgrade to hardy when apt will inform mee distro update
[14:34] <DreadKnight> xD
[14:35] <Jeroi> then it will be official update
[14:36] <Jeroi> I just wonder how much programs will be better with kde4 or does they get developed at all
[14:36] <Pennycook> Okay, really need help as I've gotten myself into a huge mess.  I deleted /home/john, but had updated /etc/passwd to point at my new home folder.  I can log into the console no problem, but trying to startkde results in an error telling me to check my installation.  Help?
[14:37] <Jeroi> kde has alot to do in my opinion, before it starts to compete explorer
[14:37] <DreadKnight> well, hope kubuntu will still have amarok.. juk is nice.. but i prefer amarok..
[14:37] <Jeroi> :D
[14:37] <Jeroi> ofcourse
[14:37] <Jeroi> they are making amarok2
[14:37] <Jeroi> I thinks
[14:37] <DreadKnight> which will be cross platform
[14:37] <Jeroi> yes
[14:38] <DreadKnight> but not sure if amarok will be in the kde-multimedia package..
[14:38] <VotaN> бгг
[14:38] <Jeroi> I think no time when you install it yourself
[14:38] <VotaN> есть тут хоть один БЛЯ русский?!!!!
[14:38] <Jeroi> I just want virtualdub clone into linux
[14:38] <Jeroi> and avisynth
[14:39] <Jeroi> avisynth would be fantastic tbh to port into linux
[14:39] <jpatrick> !ru | VotaN
[14:39] <ubotu> VotaN: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[14:39] <Hamra> !ru | votan
[14:39] <ubotu> votan: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[14:39] <VotaN> esty tut hoty odin  kto govorit po 4elove4essky????
[14:39] <Jeroi> omg
[14:39] <Jeroi> they are making it
[14:39] <VotaN> TY BOT???
[14:39] <Jeroi> http://avisynth.org/AviSynth30
[14:39] <Jeroi> avisynth 3.0
[14:40] <DreadKnight> :))
[14:40] <Jeroi> for win and linux
[14:41] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: never used avisynth before...
[14:42] <DreadKnight> just hope they will use QT not GTK for the gui xD
[14:43] <Jeroi> DreadKnight
[14:43] <Hamra> hi, what is avisynth?
[14:43] <Jeroi> avisynth has never got gui
[14:43] <Jeroi> it is framserver
[14:43] <Jeroi> frameserver
[14:43] <Jeroi> you can gut, join to efects add subtiltes to video via textfile
[14:44] <tolecnal> damn kde + firefox + flash + compiz.. those four don't mix too well :/
[14:44] <Jeroi> you then open this textfile as "videofile" to mediaplayer
[14:44] <Hamra> ok
[14:44] <virtual> how do i get the winkey to open the kde menu?
[14:44] <Jeroi> and mediaplayer plays that textfile like it was real avi file
[14:45] <DreadKnight> hmm.. would be nice for the winkey to open katapult (alt+space)
[14:45] <Jeroi> and that new texfile is like 0.01kt where can be joined 3 movies, removed adds, added some text like tranlsations of some japanese signs
[14:46] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: sound neat :)
[14:46] <Jeroi> yes
[14:46] <Jeroi> I love it
[14:46] <Jeroi> it is very usefull in encoding
[14:46] <Jeroi> you build your own videofile with avisynth script, then open that script to encoder and encode it to myfile.avi
[14:46] <jpatrick> DreadKnight: I tried that but qt doesn't support Winkey alone
[14:48] <DreadKnight> jpatrick: that's... too bad... i need to clean the key to get rid of the "win" logo xD
[14:48] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: I'm looking more into it :)
[14:50] <Hamra> is there keyboards designed for linux? :P no winkey, maybe some other key(s) ? would be nice :D
[14:51] <llutz> Hamra: check cherry-keyboards, they offer a linux-one
[14:52] <DreadKnight> Hamra: i've seen people blogging about ubuntu-keyboards
[14:53] <Jeroi> :D
[14:54] <Jeroi> why cant windows keyborad fit with *buntus's?
[14:55] <DreadKnight> that key should just be called "super" and should have "spr" on it ... same principle as ctrl, alt, shift..
[14:55] <Jeroi> DreadKnight if just, MY main reason for sticking with windows was encoding, it is really hard in linux, as it misses avisynth.
[14:56] <Jeroi> but when avisynth comes, it helps encoding alot.
[14:56] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: well, on linux i'm pretty much using mencoder
[14:56] <Jeroi> yeah, but wait when you get hands on avisynth
[14:56] <Jeroi> you just need a encoder then
[14:56] <Jeroi> avisynth does the rest
[14:56] <DreadKnight> hmm
[14:56] <Jeroi> filters I mean
[14:57] <Jeroi> remove interlace
[14:57] <Jeroi> blurred
[14:57] <DreadKnight> i usually record from desktop xD
[14:57] <Jeroi> :D
[14:57] <Jeroi> well I some times make backups from dvd:s
[14:58] <Jeroi> avisynht is great when doing really super quality avi files from dvd
[14:58] <DreadKnight> nah.. life moves on :D
[14:58] <Hamra> the spr key sounds a good idea, but i dont think M$ monopoly will be happy about it. ubuntu keyboards? thats good, we can fianlly get rid of this nasty dirt on the bottom keys :P
[14:58]  * DreadKnight is scratching the "win-logo" keys
[14:59] <Jeroi> you just rip, dvd with indexer
[14:59]  * DreadKnight is scratching the "win-logo" keys
[14:59] <DreadKnight> :D
[14:59] <Jeroi> indexer makes mpeg file
[14:59] <DreadKnight> hmm
[14:59] <Jeroi> you can "mount" that file into avisynht script and edit it like the original source was a avi file
[15:00] <Jeroi> you can trim scenes off the video
[15:00] <Jeroi> add your own video to start or end or middle
[15:00] <Jeroi> resample audio
[15:00] <Jeroi> do it all
[15:00] <Jeroi> what you need
[15:00] <DreadKnight> v3 has an ETA? :D
[15:01] <Jeroi> no I think
[15:01] <Jeroi> I just wait it.
[15:01] <DreadKnight> xD damn
[15:01] <Jeroi> when it comes, I really start to think do I need windows anymore?
[15:01] <DreadKnight> i haven't used windoze for at least one year
[15:02] <virtual> how do you add a trash can to the desktop?
[15:02] <DreadKnight> lol
[15:02] <Jeroi> well, I am mainly tied into because I run anime fansub group, and mainly do encoding and typesetting
[15:03] <bazhang> nice
[15:03] <Jeroi> and because linuc has been bad with encoding choiches you are bit tied down to microsoft
[15:03] <Jeroi> I would want uTorrent also ported into linux
[15:04] <DreadKnight> ktorrent is my fav
[15:04] <Jeroi> but meanwhile kTorrent is good also.
[15:04] <DreadKnight> liked uTorrent very much
[15:04] <bazhang> !info transmission
[15:04] <ubotu> transmission: free, lightweight BitTorrent client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.72.dfsg-1 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 56 kB
[15:04] <DreadKnight> liked deluge on gnome, way better than transmission
[15:04] <Jeroi> transmission? website?
[15:05] <Jeroi> is it good
[15:05] <Jeroi> ?
[15:05] <DreadKnight> but the default from ubuntu/gnome is ugly... no multiple downloads in the same window
[15:05] <DreadKnight> for GTK both :P
[15:05]  * DreadKnight runs away from GTK+
[15:05] <Jeroi> kTorrent seems to do same thing than uTorrent, but I prefer uTorrent because some features not included in kTorrent
[15:05] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: check out the ktorrent plugins..
[15:05] <BluesKaj> I still use windows due to poor results kooka gives on documents and photos vs the windows equivalent  which gives excellent results
[15:06] <DreadKnight> for example what features?
[15:06] <Jeroi> kooka?
[15:06] <Jeroi> pdf?
[15:06] <DreadKnight> the scaner application..
[15:06] <DreadKnight> n
[15:06] <Jeroi> yeah
[15:06] <Jeroi> I have scanner
[15:06] <BluesKaj> kooka = linux scanning software
[15:06] <Jeroi> I never use it tho
[15:06] <DreadKnight> me 2
[15:07] <DreadKnight> it's not even supported on linux
[15:07] <DreadKnight> xD
[15:07] <Jeroi> my gf has windows laptop, I sacan with it then :D
[15:07] <DreadKnight> i have no use for it
[15:07] <BluesKaj> err sorry kde scanning software
[15:07] <Jeroi> poor results?
[15:07] <Jeroi> what do you mean?
[15:08] <BluesKaj> my tv wonder pro gives a better picture on my monitor then tvtime does as well
[15:08] <DreadKnight> play around with settings ? :P
[15:08] <BluesKaj> on windows
[15:08] <DreadKnight> eh
[15:08] <Jeroi> ah
[15:08]  * DreadKnight is going to upgrade* to hardy and kde4 xD
[15:08] <Jeroi> Fortunately I have nvidia
[15:08] <DreadKnight> me 2
[15:08] <Jeroi> no problmes with gfx in linux
[15:09] <Jeroi> I even played steam in linux
[15:09] <Jeroi> half life2
[15:09] <BluesKaj> poor results = illegible docs , and very dark jpegs
[15:09] <DreadKnight> i play wc3.. too much... dota
[15:09] <Jeroi> no problems
[15:10] <DreadKnight> be back later hopefully.. xD
[15:10] <Jeroi> lol
[15:10] <Jeroi> is hardy btw out?
[15:10] <Jeroi> or alpha version?
[15:10] <DreadKnight> if i will still be able to start a session
[15:10] <DreadKnight> rc2 i think
[15:10] <bazhang> alpha2
[15:10] <DreadKnight> xD
[15:10] <Jeroi> I dont install then
[15:10] <DreadKnight> i am doomed
[15:10] <DreadKnight> oh well
[15:11] <Jeroi> I have still other problems with linux than installing new versions of software that works already with the older version
[15:11] <DreadKnight> sure
[15:11] <DreadKnight> ^^
[15:11] <Jeroi> :D
[15:12] <Jeroi> hopely they make my suggest in konversation that middlebutton closes tabs
[15:12] <DreadKnight> um
[15:12] <DreadKnight> i forgot where to find sources.list
[15:12] <DreadKnight> hehe neat
[15:12] <Jeroi> /etc/apt/
[15:12] <DreadKnight> ah right ^^ thanks
[15:12] <Jeroi> np
[15:23] <meeowzers> Hey, where can I find an Ubuntu package for the newest nvidia drivers?
[15:24] <djdarkman> hello, I just bought a webcam, wich program do I need to set it up?
[15:24] <pros922> webcam-server
[15:24] <pros922> the applets and stuff are in wierd places and have to be copied to your /var/www but it works great
[15:24] <BluesKaj> meeowzers, dunno if this will help : http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_169.07.html
[15:25] <BluesKaj> !nvidia | meeowzers
[15:25] <ubotu> meeowzers: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:27] <meeowzers> BluesKaj: I want the beta drivers though
[15:30] <BluesKaj> meeowzers, try a google-linux search
[15:30] <Jeroi> alsa store
[15:30] <Jeroi> what command was that?
[15:30] <Jeroi> alstls store
[15:30] <Jeroi> alsatls store?
[15:32] <meeowzers> BluesKaj: bleh. I will just download it off nvidia's site and install it the old fashioned way.
[15:33] <andreas_> hello i have a problem
[15:33] <andreas_> anybody ?
[15:33] <meeowzers> you didnt ask a question
[15:33] <meeowzers> :P
[15:34] <andreas_> ok so when i try to delete a folder from dolphin, it can not delete it
[15:34] <bazhang> hi andreas_
[15:34] <bazhang> what folder?
[15:34] <andreas_> i don't get an error msg, just that dialog for deletion, and it stays at 0%
[15:34] <andreas_> well the folder is in the windows partition
[15:34] <andreas_> i didnt create it on linux
[15:34] <bazhang> hmm
[15:35] <andreas_> so?
[15:36] <bazhang> ntfs?
[15:36] <andreas_> if i create  a new folder in linux i can delete it, but i can't delete the windows folder
[15:36] <andreas_> probably ntfs
[15:37] <bazhang> !ntfs | andreas_ probably this is your solution then
[15:37] <ubotu> andreas_ probably this is your solution then: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[15:38] <andreas_> i don't get it
[15:39] <andreas_> so what am i supposed to do?
[15:40] <bazhang> andreas_: do you have a web browser?
[15:41] <andreas_> lol yes i am reading now...
[15:41] <bazhang> !ntfs-3g
[15:41] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[15:41] <bazhang> see above andreas_
[15:42] <bazhang> !permissions > bazhang
[15:42] <inciner9> Are the KDE4 RC2 packages that are in the repositories stable enough for day-to-day use?
[15:43] <bazhang> inciner9: how stable is stable by your definition?
[15:43] <andreas_> so !ntfs-3g is a program?
[15:43] <inciner9> bazhang: Usable; Occassional crashes are tolerable.
[15:43] <hydrogen> inciner9: they are stable.. but rc2 is still missing a good deal of stuff
[15:43] <bazhang> inciner9: I would wait, but that is just me
[15:43] <hydrogen> current svn is a bit better
[15:43] <inciner9> hydrogen: What's missing?
[15:44] <bazhang> !info ntfs-3g | andreas_
[15:44] <ubotu> andreas_: ntfs-3g: read-write NTFS driver for FUSE. In component main, is standard. Version 1:1.913-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 23 kB, installed size 116 kB
[15:44] <hydrogen> inciner9: some of the more useful parts of the desktop were still a bit behind at that point
[15:44] <hydrogen> I forget exasctly what
[15:44] <inciner9> hydrogen: They're in svn though?
[15:44] <hydrogen> yea
[15:45] <inciner9> hydrogen: So you would say that SVN has all the components of a usable desktop environment?
[15:45] <andreas_> well i don't  think you get it then
[15:45] <andreas_> i can read the files
[15:46] <andreas_> i can't delete them though
[15:47] <bazhang> read write permissions andreas_?
[15:49] <inciner9> I think I'll just try the Kubuntu LiveCD first, just to avoid having to compile from source... I want to be able to update and all using apt.
[15:50] <andreas_> for others it is forbidden
[15:50] <andreas_> only the owner can read & modify
[15:52] <andreas_> so do i have to change the permissionS?
[15:54] <andreas_> bazhang: are you there?
[15:54] <bazhang> andreas_: yes?
[15:55] <andreas_> i thought you were trying to help
[15:57] <bazhang> andreas_: you want my attention? use my nick--I am in other channels as well :}
[15:59] <andreas_> bazhang: ok then what am i suppposed to do?>
[16:00] <bazhang> andreas_: do you have permissions issue with those folders?
[16:03] <Jeroi> hmm
[16:03] <Jeroi> how can I test my front input mic
[16:04] <Jeroi> I edited alsamixer to go for front mic
[16:04] <Jeroi> I am trying to get teamspeak2 to work
[16:04] <Jeroi> installed alsa-oss
[16:04] <Jeroi> and starting teamspeak with aoss command
[16:06] <Selfarian> Hello
[16:06] <NickPresta> hello, Selfarian
[16:07] <Selfarian> Anyone has an idea for me:
[16:07] <Selfarian> i have kubuntu, my gf has windows
[16:07] <Selfarian> and i want to play mp3 from her sharings
[16:07] <bazhang> networked computers Selfarian?
[16:09] <Selfarian> Yes
[16:09] <Selfarian> bazhang
[16:09] <Selfarian> :-)
[16:10] <awag22> isn't samba automatically installed with ubuntu?
[16:10] <awag22> eer, kubuntu
[16:10] <bazhang> Selfarian: via samba?
[16:11] <Selfarian> i can access it
[16:11] <Selfarian> but
[16:11] <Selfarian> ...
[16:11] <Selfarian> when i click on an mp3, amarok couldn't play it
[16:11] <bazhang> Selfarian: via samba?
[16:11] <Selfarian> yes..
[16:12] <zorg_the_false> q. any ssh user around ? i got 2 ubuntu and do ssh between the 2. but after some time the connection freeze. any hint on how to fix that ?
[16:12] <Selfarian> i was in the amarok channel and they told me to mount it, but i don't know how :/
[16:13] <bazhang> Selfarian: mount the windows computer?
[16:13] <Lynoure> zorg_the_false: most common reason for freezes is that the network connection is choppy. How are these ubuntu's located in respect to each other?
[16:13] <zorg_the_false> Lynoure: the connection is fine. i got 20ms latency between the 2
[16:13] <Selfarian> mount the sharing
[16:13] <Selfarian> via samba
[16:14]  * bazhang is not sure if this is a ntfs-g or a samba issue
[16:14] <HS^> where can i set keybord layout
[16:14] <jussi01> !keyboard
[16:14] <ubotu> To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[16:15] <zorg_the_false> Lynoure: moreover tcp is supposed to handle that without issue. and if i keep using the ssh, the connection is find without any trouble. i smell like a buggy timeout/keepalive
[16:17] <Selfarian> is there a function like map network drive under linux?
[16:17] <bazhang> !info nmap
[16:17] <ubotu> nmap: The Network Mapper. In component main, is extra. Version 4.20-2 (gutsy), package size 732 kB, installed size 2640 kB
[16:18] <awag22> bazhang: does that work for windows shares as well?
[16:18] <Selfarian> bazhang: is it also able to map windows sharings?
[16:18] <Selfarian> :D
[16:18] <awag22> hehe
[16:18] <awag22> or do you have to use smbmount for that?
[16:19] <bazhang> haha no idea awag22 Selfarian
[16:19] <Selfarian> :D
[16:19] <Selfarian> hm
[16:19] <Selfarian> is there a good tool for painting?
[16:19] <bazhang> awag22: smbmount sounds right though
[16:19] <Selfarian> maybe gimp? or is it better for photo editing?
[16:19] <bazhang> tuxpaint
[16:19] <bazhang> !info tuxpaint
[16:20] <ubotu> tuxpaint: A paint program for young children. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.9.17-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 149 kB, installed size 388 kB
[16:20] <Selfarian> young children? ;)
[16:21] <bazhang> haha sorry
[16:21] <awag22> lol
[16:21] <bazhang> first thing that came to mind :}
[16:22] <awag22> man, i hate apple, my ipod works great with amarok, artwork and everything uploads correctly
[16:22] <awag22> but if i plug it into my girlfriend's computer and use itunes with it
[16:22] <awag22> it automatically rapes my artwork
[16:22] <awag22> so that i have to go back and redo it in amarok
[16:24] <Selfarian> anyone could tell me, how i can change the standardbrowser?
[16:25] <Selfarian> that, when i click on a link, firefox opens instead of konqueror?
[16:26] <giuseppe> noobuntu: Hi, do u know why sometimes appears this message:
[16:26] <giuseppe> Unable to save bookmarks in /home/giuseppe/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.
[16:26] <giuseppe> noobuntu: :)
[16:26] <NickPresta> Selfarian, in a Konsole: sudo update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/konqueror
[16:28] <giuseppe> hi, is there anyone can help me?
[16:28] <kub^> giuseppe: i have had that error and i needed to change the permissions on the bookmarks.xml
[16:28] <Selfarian> NickPresta: when i click a link, konquerer opens :/
[16:28] <giuseppe> noliobed: correct... but do u know how I can change permissions?
[16:29] <NickPresta> giuseppe, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+question/15881
[16:29] <NickPresta> Selfarian, isn't that what you wanted?
[16:29] <NickPresta> Selfarian, oh, I misread your question. :)
[16:29] <noliobed> im having problem installing things here in ubuntu
[16:29] <NickPresta> Selfarian, in a Konsole: sudo update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/firefox
[16:29] <noliobed> im using kde
[16:29] <noliobed> can someone help me?
[16:29] <NickPresta> noliobed, what is your problem?
[16:30] <noliobed> hi nick
[16:30] <noliobed> i want to install xchat and have an mp3 support for my amarok
[16:30] <noliobed> i was looking at some forums about my problem
[16:30] <noliobed> all i saw was about the gnome ubuntu
[16:31] <noliobed> i installed kubuntu
[16:31] <NickPresta> noliobed, to install xchat, using the terminal, you can do: sudo apt-get install xchat
[16:31] <noliobed> Couldn't find package xchat - this is what showed up after i did that
[16:32] <Selfarian> NickPresta: i tried to klick on the faq url and konqueror opens :(
[16:32] <noliobed> probably i need to add some repositories
[16:32] <noliobed> how can i do that?
[16:32] <Selfarian> do i have to reboot?
[16:32] <noliobed> sorry im such a dummy
[16:32] <gabbah> how can i move my ubuntu installation to another partition_
[16:32] <noliobed> its my 1st time to use this
[16:33] <kub^> Selfarian: you can also set the default browser in system settings | default applications i think
[16:34] <Selfarian> kub^: works, thanks ;)
[16:34] <giuseppe> NickPresta: thanks for URL... solved my problems...
[16:34] <NickPresta> noliobed, that's okay. Everyone has to start somewhere :) Go to your KMenu > System > Adept. Put in your password. Then click on "Adept" and "manage Repositories". Make sure the (universe) and (multiverse) lines are checked off. If they aren't, check them off and restart adept. You should see xchat now
[16:35] <noliobed> thanks nick, ill try it then go back to you after i do it
[16:36] <noliobed> nick
[16:36] <Selfarian> anyone know where firefox safes the bookmarks?
[16:36] <noliobed> i have another problem
[16:36] <noliobed> my adept manager is not opening
[16:36] <noliobed> :((
[16:36] <noliobed> yikes
[16:36] <NickPresta> noliobed, it takes a moment to open.
[16:37] <noliobed> ok ill try to wait
[16:37] <padlefot> how do i enable compiz with kde? (kubuntu)?
[16:37] <noliobed> nick
[16:37] <NickPresta> Selfarian, I would imagine: .mozilla/firefox/RANDOM.default/bookmark* would have what you want,
[16:37] <NickPresta> !compiz | padlefot
[16:37] <ubotu> padlefot: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[16:38] <noliobed> it didnt open
[16:38] <padlefot> and i guess emerald is outdated now that compiz is back instead of beryl, so how do I change window decos?
[16:38] <padlefot> NickPresta, thx
[16:38] <noliobed> i waited and the icon with my pointer disappeared
[16:38] <noliobed> plus the one at the taskbar
[16:38] <awag22> padlefot: what window dec do you want to use? kde-window-decorator --replace & will give you this kde window dec
[16:39] <padlefot> no id like to use emerald
[16:39] <awag22> oh
[16:39] <padlefot> so many nice themes for it
[16:39] <NickPresta> noliobed, I have to run for a little bit but try using the terminal to open up adept: kdesu adept_manager
[16:39] <awag22> i don't use emerald, so not really sure :)
[16:39] <NickPresta> noliobed, then follow my Adept instructions.
[16:39] <padlefot> ok :) ill google around
[16:42] <Selfarian> NickPresta: didnt
[16:42] <Selfarian> 'find it :(
[16:43] <voonte> How can I install Kubuntu and not install the extra applications I don't need?
[16:43] <noliobed> it still didn't work:(
[16:43] <hdevalence> voonte: what do you mean?
[16:43] <bazhang> minimal install voonte?
[16:44] <awag22> what does it dell you?
[16:44] <awag22> dell = tell
[16:44] <noliobed> arrghhh
[16:44] <Smurf-Slayer> Does anyone know why GAIM was replaced by Pidgin?  My GAIM worked fine, and now neither of them work...
[16:44] <kurt_> can someone help me to install virtualbox or al link to do it on kubuntu, it's already installed but get that kernel dev error + i have to get usb working
[16:44] <awag22> Smurf-Slayer: aol sued i think
[16:44] <noliobed> nick this adpet manager is making me nuts
[16:44] <hdevalence> Smurf-Slayer: GAIM --> Pidgin
[16:44] <awag22> noliobed: what does adept tell you when you try to start it?
[16:44] <bazhang> noliobed: use konsole instead
[16:45] <Smurf-Slayer> Ahh... That figures...  Anyword on how to get Pidgin to work?  It tries to start, and the head bounces, and then nothing...
[16:45] <voonte> bazhang: Exactly, a minimal install. I just tried the "Alternative CD" of Kubuntu, but apparently it doesn't work very well unless you have a CD.. Any other way?
[16:45] <bazhang> !minimal | voonte
[16:45] <ubotu> voonte: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[16:46] <voonte> But if the installer is like the one on the Alternate CD, it won't work...
[16:46] <Selfarian> ah got it with importing ;)
[16:46] <voonte> Thanks though
[16:46] <hdevalence> like the debian netinst?
[16:46] <jussi01> !netinstall | voonte
[16:46] <ubotu> voonte: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[16:46] <Smurf-Slayer> Does anyone here have Pidgin working?
[16:46] <bazhang> hdevalence: a bit similar to netboot for debian
[16:46] <giuseppe> is there anyone can help me for using kopete like messenger???
[16:46] <voonte> Thanks! I'll try that.
[16:46] <jussi01> :)
[16:47] <giuseppe> when I try to connect it says: the application Kopete crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
[16:47] <hdevalence> Smurf-Slayer: If you can't find anyone here, you might try #ubuntu pidgin is a GNOME app
[16:47] <bazhang> Smurf-Slayer: try launching it from the konsole and tell us the error messages (dont paste them here)
[16:47] <hdevalence> giuseppe: I had the same problem
[16:48] <hdevalence> guiseppe: try running the adept updater and then try kopete again
[16:48] <hdevalence> guiseppe: something about the encryption library
[16:49] <giuseppe> hdevalence: hi, wgere I find adept updater???
[16:49] <Smurf-Slayer> It says failed device 158
[16:49] <NickPresta> !baddevice | Smurf-Slayer
[16:49] <ubotu> Smurf-Slayer: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[16:50] <kurt_> what is that line i have to add for getting usb support
[16:50] <Smurf-Slayer> I just typed pidgin and that is what I got
[16:51] <giuseppe> hdevalence: or u mean adept manager?
[16:52] <Smurf-Slayer> So if the error can be safely ignored, why doesn't the application start?
[16:55] <NickPresta> Smurf-Slayer, post the complete output in a !pastebin for when you start pidgin
[16:59] <Smurf-Slayer> !Pastebin
[16:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[17:00] <Smurf-Slayer> NickPresta - it is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49424
[17:00] <Smurf-Slayer> But the erroe information is useless, from what I can see.
[17:01] <althair> Hi! Does someone know if it is better for the perfomance to not include modules in the kernell, installing only the things that you really need?
[17:01] <althair> (desactivating the option of having modules in the kernel configuration)
[17:02] <llutz> althair: that only saves some diskspace, the kernel only load modules it needs
[17:02] <Smurf-Slayer> NickPresta - Did you get a chance to look at that?
[17:03] <sigma_123> havent heard of that b4. sounds a bit dangerous. did u google it?
[17:03] <althair> yes, but checks if you need a module or not when linux is loading
[17:03] <Artimus> althair: Won't be worth enough performance to waste your time.  compile things as modules.  Setting your exact processor in the kernel config is probably going to be better...
[17:03] <althair> not?
[17:05] <althair> I will recompile the kernel setting my exact processor, yes. because of that I am thinking of removing all the things that I dont need
[17:05] <althair> but, ok. I will not spend more time on it
[17:05] <sigma_123> why would it load things it doesnt need?
[17:06] <sigma_123> its not windows. lol
[17:06] <llutz> althair: removing all stuff and testing costs much more time you ever win with a personified kernel :)
[17:06] <cj_> hi
[17:06] <cj_> how do i get compiz on kubuntu gutsy
[17:06] <althair> hehe
[17:06] <giuseppe> Sorry...anyone for help me???
[17:06] <acee1234> can someone tell me why xgl is eating 500mb of ram?
[17:07] <llutz> !ask | giuseppe
[17:07] <ubotu> giuseppe: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[17:07] <cj_> !compiz
[17:07] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[17:07] <giuseppe> well, I don't know how solve problem connection with kopete
[17:07] <giuseppe> my version is 0.12.7
[17:08] <DreadKnight> how the heck to i install kde4 on kubuntu hardy? :|
[17:08] <sigma_123> hey did u guys here that *nix based systems cant keep a date past 19 jan 2038?
[17:08] <giuseppe> When I try to connect it says:
[17:08] <giuseppe> Qt: 3.3.7
[17:08] <giuseppe> KDE: 3.5.8
[17:08] <giuseppe> Kopete: 0.12.7
[17:08] <giuseppe> sorry...
[17:08] <giuseppe> when I try to connect it says
[17:09] <llutz> sigma_123: welcome in reality
[17:09] <DreadKnight> sigma_123: i've heard it's because of the 32bits thingy...
[17:10] <sigma_123> perhaps we should file a lauchpad bug 4that :)
[17:10] <llutz> 2038 story at http://www.deepsky.com/~merovech/2038.html
[17:10] <giuseppe> kopete crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
[17:10] <llutz> sigma_123: positive thing is: we never had a year 2000 problem ;)
[17:10] <giuseppe> llutz: any idea?
[17:10] <llutz> giuseppe: using msn-account?
[17:10] <sigma_123> llutz: lol. so true
[17:11] <giuseppe> llutz: yes
[17:11] <pag> giuseppe, update your system. alt+f2 -> konsole -> "sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade "
[17:12] <al-mestar_> pls i need audio codec for mp3
[17:12] <giuseppe> pag: I'm updating it...
[17:12] <llutz> !mp3
[17:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[17:13] <sigma_123> llutz: but why does it end at such a weird date? and which sad sad person actually discovered that:) would have been funny if no one did. then the internet would have shut down!
[17:13] <pag> giuseppe, wait 'till it's updated completly and restart KDE (log out and back in)
[17:13] <llutz> sigma_123: read link above, it's described there
[17:13] <giuseppe> pag: well, after a little time it says impossible obtain lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[17:14] <giuseppe> pag: etc..
[17:14] <giuseppe> pag:
[17:14] <giuseppe> pag: any idea?
[17:14] <DreadKnight> giuseppe: you probably got adept opened
[17:14] <bazhang> !aptfix | giuseppe
[17:14] <ubotu> giuseppe: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[17:14] <DreadKnight> giuseppe: restart and try again
[17:14] <sourcemaker> I am sorry, but the lastest kernel 2.6.22-14-generic is a flop. How can I update without compiling my self?
[17:15] <giuseppe> pag: u are right...
[17:15] <NickPresta> sourcemaker, I don't know of a way to 'update' without doing it yourself. What is the problem?
[17:15] <giuseppe> pag: I finish downloading firefor and then I try like u told me
[17:16] <giuseppe> al-mestar_: u mean u are not able to listen to mp3 files?
[17:17] <cj_> !compiz
[17:17] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[17:17] <complexity> an someone tell me the solution for multi key press bug.. when I type something, it repeats the key and apt-get becomes appppppppptttttttttt---ggggeet
[17:18] <sourcemaker> NickPresta: Well... I have installed the last kubuntu gusty version on my dad's workstation. The WLAN is not working => Kernel panic! Today, I have tried to rip 3 audio cd's... One cd is scratched => Unable to read media => kernel panic.
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> complexity: systemssettings-> keyboard and mouse
[17:18] <complexity> nosrednaekim: after that ?
[17:19] <melkor> Konquror has a new feature that makes it unuseable.  When I fill in a form and it prompts for auto complete it doesn't let me keep typing is there a way to change this?
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> complexity: its in there somewhere under keyboard, sorry not running kde3 right now.
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> melkor: this in KDE4?
[17:19] <DreadKnight> nosrednaekim: do you also have hardy?
[17:19] <sourcemaker> NickPresta: In my opinion... Kernel Panic's are inadmissible.... for this kind of minor problems... :-)
[17:20] <complexity> yeah.. in that there is an option called enable keybord repeat. and it is enabled.. now I disabled it..
[17:21] <melkor> nosrednaekim yes
[17:21] <complexity> nosrednaekim: thanks. the problem seems to have gone away :-)
[17:21] <NickPresta> sourcemaker, well, I don't know of any bugs off hand which relate to your situation. Perhaps you could create a topic on the Ubuntu forums and/or submit a bug report (if it is indeed a bug). Aside from compiling your own kernel, I don't know of another solution. =(
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> complexity: I thought there was also a setting for how long before the keyboard auto-repeated
[17:21] <complexity> nosrednaekim: but why in the first place should it auto repeat ? I dint understand this
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> melkor: yes, I noticed that. I use firefox though, so didn't really bother me.
[17:22] <melkor> nosrednaekim I turned off the form complete and it works much better.
[17:23] <nosrednaekim> melkor: ah.. ok
[17:23] <cj_> !compiz
[17:23] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[17:23] <white_eagle> !ping
[17:23] <ubotu> pong
[17:23] <nosrednaekim> complexity: most people prefer keyboard auto-repeat
[17:24] <sourcemaker> NickPresta: Well, I am using Linux since 5 years... but over the years... the kernel is getting more and more unstable... So... ok... I will compile the kernel my own... back to the root ... nice :-)
[17:24] <complexity> nosrednaekim: any specific reason ? I mean I don't find any specific usage for turning apt-get to appppppppptttttttttt---ggggeet
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> complexity: not everyone holds down their keys for several seconds before moving on to the next one....
[17:25] <awag22> lol
[17:25] <white_eagle> !!ping
[17:25] <ubotu> pong
[17:25] <sourcemaker> !ping !ping
[17:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ping !ping - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:26] <white_eagle> !lag
[17:26] <ubotu> You have lag, I don't have lag
[17:26] <white_eagle> lolz
[17:26] <LjL> !botabuse
[17:26] <sourcemaker> !lol
[17:26] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[17:26] <ubotu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[17:26] <white_eagle> oh, sorry
[17:26] <DreadKnight> who can help me out installing kde4 on hardy?
[17:26] <complexity> nosrednaekim: I am not holding it for several seconds.. I type the normal way as others do..
[17:26] <white_eagle> I forgot
[17:26] <complexity> nosrednaekim: :-)
[17:26] <giuseppe> pag: sorry, I tried what u told me, but it says: 0 to install, o to update
[17:26] <nosrednaekim> complexity: hmm well, then somerhing is probably funky with your keyboard.
[17:26] <giuseppe> pag: any idea?
[17:27] <pag> giuseppe, have you already restarted KDE?
[17:27] <complexity> nosrednaekim:   I think this has some meaning https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/82156
[17:27] <complexity> nosrednaekim: :-D
[17:28] <jussi01> !kde4 | DreadKnight
[17:28] <ubotu> DreadKnight: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[17:28] <giuseppe> pag: not yet... u mean I have to turn off and turn on my PC?
[17:28] <pag> giuseppe, just log out and log back in - that should be enough
[17:28] <giuseppe> pag: another thing... I don't know if it's important... I'm on line using my mobile phone
[17:28] <Smurf-Slayer> NickPresta - Did you get a chance to look at my Pidgin error?
[17:29] <Smurf-Slayer> NickPresta - it is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49424
[17:29] <pag> giuseppe, if it had an effect, it would have it on much more programs than only Kopete
[17:30] <giuseppe> pag: ok... now I try... see u later :)
[17:30] <Smurf-Slayer> Can anyone help me get Pidgin working?  GAIM worked fine, upgraded to 7.10 and now it appears GAIM was replaced by Pidgin, but it won't start up.
[17:31] <LimCore> recent update gayified all my fonts - they are now very thin, is this a known problem?
[17:31] <DreadKnight> jussi01: already tried that
[17:32] <complexity> nosrednaekim: So now only I realized that disabling key repeat will make me press backspace a thousand times before I delete a line.. now what shall I do, enabling key repeat brings me back to my old problem.. and this bug has been discussed in lot of forums with no answers
[17:32] <white_eagle> !ask
[17:32] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[17:32] <nosrednaekim> complexity: is this just a run-of-the-mill ps2 keyboard?
[17:33] <acee1234> can someone tell me why xgl is eating 500mb of ram? mempry leak?
[17:34] <complexity> no its a laptop keyboard.. HP laptop.. and believe me its not a keyboard problem.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/82156
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> complexity: in system settings,right below "enable keyboard repeat" there are two sliders to let you adjust your keyboard repeat...fiddle with them a bit
[17:34] <jussi01> DreadKnight: and what went wrong?
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> complexity: turn the delay ll the way up and the rate all the way down
[17:34] <complexity> nosrednaekim: Ya I tried both of them nothing helps..
[17:35] <giuseppe> pag: well, the first thing it asks is: the application kopete has requested to open kdewallet... is it ok right?
[17:35] <nosrednaekim> complexity: thats odd, does GNOME do the same thing or is a it a KDE issue?
[17:35] <complexity> nosrednaekim: but thats the same as disabling the keyboard repeat
[17:35] <pag> giuseppe, yup. it is the expected behaviour.
[17:35] <complexity> nosrednaekim: I am having kubuntu fiesty
[17:35] <DreadKnight> jussi01: broken packages (dependecy problems)
[17:36] <jussi01> DreadKnight: did you have kde4 previously?
[17:36] <BluesKaj> what's the setting for konq to download rather than open a download in a textfile ?
[17:36] <giuseppe> pag: sorry, the password is msn password?
[17:36] <nosrednaekim> complexity: can you upgrade to gutsy? the problem might be fixed.
[17:36] <DreadKnight> jussi01: never
[17:36] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: can't you right lick on it and "save as"?
[17:37] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, it's asks to 'save the link as'
[17:37] <complexity> If so how should I do..  but I am using it in a Virutal Machine from windows.. I had this problem during my previous installations.. but they used to happen only once.. this time its not stopping at all
[17:37] <giuseppe> pag: required password for KDE wallet is msn password?
[17:37] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: whats the difference?
[17:38] <NickPresta> Smurf-Slayer, sorry for the late reply. As I said before, that isn't a Pidgin error. It's an error due to your xorg.conf have entrys for wacom devices. You can ignore them. Information at !baddevice
[17:38] <pag> giuseppe, erm.. the password for KWallet has to be set manually.. there's no defaults for thet
[17:38] <Smurf-Slayer> More info on my Pidgin problem... I have AIM running on a windbloze box, and I got a message from someone, and it popped up here too...  But I can't see the main Pidgin window to start a converstation, or see who is on, etc...
[17:39] <BluesKaj> ok nosrednaekim ,I see it now
[17:39] <giuseppe> pag: same error
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> Smurf-Slayer: pidgin is a GNOME program, go to #ubuntu for that
[17:39] <pag> giuseppe, what, kopete still crashes?
[17:40] <giuseppe> pag: yes
[17:40] <Smurf-Slayer> nosrednaekim - What does that mean?  Does that mean that GAIM was Ubuntu, or KDE or something, and now it was replaced by something that wasn't?
[17:41] <pag> giuseppe, strange.. you could try rebooting, but I'm not sure if it helps.. I should've worked already :\
[17:41] <giuseppe> eventually I try with amns... online I read many people had problems with kopete
[17:42] <giuseppe> pag: eventually I try with amns... online I read many people had problems with kopete
[17:42] <Smurf-Slayer> W/B Dr Willis
[17:44] <sigma_123> how come kde4 is default in kubuntu now?
[17:45] <awag22> it is?
[17:45] <sigma_123> hardy i mean
[17:45] <white_eagle> yes
[17:46] <sigma_123> yeah i read a article online saying it was
[17:46] <hackstacy> I have a quick question
[17:46] <dreamcoder> i have justr used devede to encode a video, but it hasnt give me an iso or .bin file so how do i make the .mpeg file and the .xml file into a iso to burn to dvd
[17:46] <hackstacy> does anybody know what type of hash this is ENC96a28b5b7a147477891e4e90c1b
[17:46] <white_eagle> !pong
[17:46] <ubotu> pong is an old atari game. It's fun!
[17:46] <DreadKnight> sigma_123: users will get to choose in 8.04 betwork 3.5 and 4
[17:46] <sigma_123> i thought it was 2unstable
[17:46] <DreadKnight> sigma_123: betwen
[17:47] <sigma_123> but dreadnight why isnt it lts anymore?
[17:47] <DreadKnight> sigma_123: i have kubuntu hardy, i can't manage to get kde4 installed :(
[17:48] <althair> Does someone know if the ICH-M configuration in the kernel (wich says that it is for ICH-2, 3 and 4) works for the ICH7 Intel southbridge (Core2Duo)
[17:48] <Yorokobi> sigma_123, have you read the IRC log from the #kubuntu-devel meeting where they decided on going with two CD images for 8.04?
[17:49] <killer_> question: what happened to /etc/inittab?
[17:49] <crimsun> althair: yes, it will.
[17:49] <crimsun> killer_: see upstart.
[17:49] <althair> ok, thanks crimsun
[17:50] <Dr_willis> !upstart
[17:50] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[17:50] <DreadKnight> kde4 packages seem broken, even the ones from the PPA :(
[17:51] <Artimus> If I find a bug in the Kubuntu Installer, under which package do I file the bug on Launchpad?  I'm thinking kubuntu-live...
[17:52] <Dr_willis> Hmm. Somthing ive never figrued out yet. K3b starts to burn. top Info box says Writing Speed 16.4x The Lower  "Estimated Writing Speed" then goes from 4x to 9x..  Why are the #'s so different
[17:52] <sigma_123> whats the bug?
[17:52] <Dr_willis> the DVD+Rs are 16x - is that what the upper box is reporting?
[17:52] <Artimus> sigma_123: Can't create new partitions if the drive doesn't have a parititon table.  You can create a new partition table, but never any new partitions.  This is under manual partitioning, guided is fine
[17:52] <althair> Its better to let the bios recognize the pci devices, or letting linux doing this?
[17:52] <crimsun> Artimus: ubiquity.
[17:55] <chemicalvamp> i need help installing grub to a windows computer (for using my linux installation on usb key) i have a 100mb partition for it.
[17:55] <sigma_123> dr willis: is dma on?
[17:56] <Dr_willis> sigma_123,  well lets see..
[17:56] <Artimus> crimsun: Thanks
[17:56] <Dr_willis> using_dma     =  1 (on)   - So thats a yes.
[17:56] <Dr_willis> It can burn a 4.4 gb DVD in about 10 min...
[17:57] <Dr_willis> well k3b says 12 min now..  :)
[17:57] <Dr_willis> so is that about normal? Ive never really paid attention to the times much. I tend to get it burning then go do somthing else.
[17:57] <Dr_willis> But today im sitting at the machine watching it.
[17:58] <Dr_willis> I just moved this dvd burner out of a USB bay, to internal also. the burn times seem about the same. So i thogh  it was odd that the ide wasent a lot faster.
[17:59] <sigma_123> i had that prob when dma was on. only when i forced it in hdparm.conf did my writer use ful speed
[17:59] <tehm0nk> Dr_willis:  something is wrong then...
[17:59] <tehm0nk> if you went from USB to Internal...
[17:59] <sigma_123> forced it to be on that is
[17:59] <tehm0nk> and you didn't see any differance something is def. wrong :-P
[17:59] <Dr_willis> or i just wasent paying attention
[17:59] <Dr_willis> :)
[18:00] <Dr_willis> 4 gb disk in  12min. it seems.
[18:01] <tehm0nk> Number wise.... there is a HUGE differance in transfer speeds between hardwire and USB
[18:01] <killer_> upstart
[18:01] <killer_> bash: upstart: command not found
[18:01] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  yes.. but its not usb any more. so the question what SHOULD the time to burn a 4gb disk be... 12 min? 5 min?
[18:02] <Dr_willis> !upstart | killer_
[18:02] <ubotu> killer_: Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[18:02] <killer_> what replaced /etc/resolv.conf?
[18:02] <Dr_willis> My internel burner was actint weird then stopped working. I had external set up to use untill today.
[18:02] <Dr_willis> i still have a /etc/resolov.conf
[18:02] <llutz> killer dhclient, avahi
[18:02] <tehm0nk> if i remember right, i've burned 8gb dual layers in 16 minutes i think
[18:03] <killer_> it's quite a bit of work after installing gutsy fresh on my laptop, to get wifi, ifup/ifdown no work
[18:03] <chemicalvamp> I need a hand installing grub to a 100mb partition (for using my linux installation on usb key) Ive done it before maybe a year ago. sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hda1/ /dev/hda says a file cant be read correctly? Ive updated grub to latest version..
[18:03] <tehm0nk> what kind of wire is it using in the computer?
[18:04] <Dr_willis> IDE Internal dvd burner.
[18:04] <tehm0nk> Dr_willis: there is multiple types of IDE cables :-P
[18:04] <tehm0nk> ata150, ata100, etc
[18:05] <Dr_willis> shoul be ata150 i belive.
[18:05] <tehm0nk> really thin flat cable?
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: that will install it to the MBR...
[18:06] <tehm0nk> i know it sounds trivial, but if my burner was freshly stuck in my computer, and it didn't seem to be burning the right speed, i'd check to make sure it's the right cable, and then check the bios settings
[18:07] <chemicalvamp> hello again :) had to go xmas shoppin yestarday :)
[18:07] <chemicalvamp> i need it to install to the MBR and keep its files on my hda1 partition
[18:07] <tehm0nk> sup nosrednaekim
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> NM tehm0nk.
[18:08] <tehm0nk> nosrednaekim: i've got things working, twice over again lol
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: so do you already have its files on HDA1?
[18:08] <tehm0nk> on ubuntu now...
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk: :(
[18:08] <tehm0nk> i wanted avant window manager...
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> you can have that in Kubuntu.... kinda
[18:08] <chemicalvamp> nosrednaekim that command copies a few and says "The file /mnt/hda1//boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly."
[18:09] <tehm0nk> http://picpaste.com/neato.jpg
[18:10] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: right, because its looking in that partition for al of the grub files, which probably aren't there unless made that /boot when you originally installed
[18:10] <chemicalvamp> so open qtparted and try again?
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: no.... qtparted won't do you a bit of good. you need to find your existing /boot and copy the files from it to hda1 or reinstall and mount hda1 as /boot
[18:13] <chemicalvamp> this computer has windows on it. nosrednaekim i think i may just be using the wrog command.. i dont remember the one i used last time
[18:13] <chemicalvamp> what would grub-install /dev/hda0 do?
[18:13] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: what are going to be booting linux from? where is / going to be?
[18:13] <chemicalvamp> sda1
[18:13] <chemicalvamp> my usb flash drive
[18:14] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: and how are you installing it there?
[18:14] <chemicalvamp> its already installed
[18:15] <chemicalvamp> i can boot it without grub
[18:15] <chemicalvamp> i mean can't
[18:16] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: where did you install grub to when you installed it to the flash drive? or is it a persistent install.
[18:17] <chemicalvamp> it was installed on the usbkey
[18:17] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: then copy the /boot from there onto hda1
[18:17] <chemicalvamp> it still has windows mbr then wont it?
[18:18] <nosrednaekim> of course, you are going to have to fiddle with alot of things in the grub.conf
[18:18] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: what will
[18:18] <chemicalvamp> the harddrive
[18:19] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: yes
[18:22] <tehm0nk> !ntfs
[18:22] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[18:23] <tehm0nk> is it possible to run 2 Firefox Browsers?
[18:23] <tehm0nk> in seperate X sessions?
[18:24] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk: knowing firefox, probably not <_<
[18:25] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk: two konquerors should work fine tho ;)
[18:25] <chemicalvamp> nosrednaekim i have a few commands written down, i know one of them must have been what i used
[18:26] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: well, I'm just saying, there is nothing there right now that can be installed, so that one command isn't going to do you a bit o good
[18:26] <chemicalvamp> #grub-install /dev/hda0 and #grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda
[18:26] <chemicalvamp> all it took the last time was one command
[18:26] <tehm0nk> dude konq sucks.
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... but you already had your /boot on the hard drive!
[18:27] <chemicalvamp> no i didnt
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> you NEED /boot and all the files that go there on hda1
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> you must have.
[18:27] <chemicalvamp> nope
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> and there is no such thing as hda0
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> well,then I have no clue how you did it
[18:28] <chemicalvamp> hda0 for frub is master channel first partition
[18:28] <chemicalvamp> grub*
[18:28] <nosrednaekim> umm thats "hd0,0"
[18:28] <tehm0nk> anyone with fakeraid able to mount an NTFS partition or windows ntfs partition?
[18:28] <nosrednaekim> !raid
[18:28] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk: someone was just asking about that
[18:29] <Dr_willis> aha - If i make the .iso file first then burn it.. :) it burns a lot faster.
[18:32] <jussi01> DreadKnight: did you get your kde4 fixed?
[18:32] <jussi01> !brokenkde4 | DreadKnight
[18:32] <ubotu> DreadKnight: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[18:33] <tehm0nk> !NTFS-3g
[18:33] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[18:35] <chemicalvamp> well whatever all these commands where copied out of the grub manual. i know one of then worked, i just need to figure out what im missing
[18:37] <nosredna_ekim> chemicalvamp: as I have said about 20 times, you need files in your /boot
[18:41] <Novell> Hi, I'm trying to compile a kernel but I'm getting this error: /root/epia/linux-2.6.23.12/scripts/gen_initramfs_list.sh: Cannot open 'initramfs'
[18:44] <chemicalvamp> nosredna_ekim just to check.. i copied all the files in /boot/ from another working install.. and it still says the same "The file /mnt/hda1//boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly."
[18:48] <chemicalvamp> and the installer creates the file too.. i dont know what the deal is
[18:48] <tehm0nk> wow files copy WAY faster on linux than windows for some reason...
[18:49] <chemicalvamp> ext file systems are more efficient
[18:49] <tehm0nk> it's going from EXT to NTFS tho
[18:49] <tehm0nk> heh
[18:49] <tehm0nk> i can actually Hear my HD working...
[18:49] <chemicalvamp> smarter kernel :)
[18:50] <tehm0nk> i wish i could DL a decent wow installer at speeds
[18:50] <tehm0nk> intead of... 40 KB/s or something stupid
[18:50] <tehm0nk> for a 3.5gb file...
[18:51] <nosredna_ekim> chemicalvamp: yeah, I don't have a clue I think it would be better to reinstall, moun hda1 as boot and write grub to hd1 from the installer (hd0 would be your flash drive)
[18:51] <tehm0nk> ok gonna go brave windows vista... and install wow on there ....
[18:51] <tehm0nk> be back later guys
[18:52] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk, Hmm.. given up on wine?
[18:53] <Old_Gregg> Anyone running WoW and Ubuntu?
[18:53] <tehm0nk> Attempting
[18:54] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  some guy in #ubuntu is fighting with Wine and WoW. :) told him to come here and Chat with YOU! :) Live up to your rep!
[18:54] <Old_Gregg> He's here.
[18:54] <Dr_willis>  thers an downloadable installer/ no need to swap cd's ? he
[18:54] <tehm0nk> which method of install are you trying to use Old_Gregg
[18:54] <Dr_willis> that would be handier..
[18:54] <tehm0nk> yeah it's a HUGE file tho
[18:54] <Dr_willis> well if it includes all the updates..
[18:54] <tehm0nk> and you have to download the Normal installer and the BC patch
[18:54] <tehm0nk> well i'm thinking the normal installer gets you Further than normal wow CDs
[18:55] <tehm0nk> it's wow 2.0
[18:55] <Old_Gregg> tehm0nk:  I was using CrossOver, but the sound was borked and now it won't recognize disk 5, so Dr. Willis suggested Wine.  Tried that, and it won't install over multiple disks, so now I'm copying the files to a folder on the desktop
[18:55] <Dr_willis> well I dont do WoW.. so i am out for a while.
[18:55] <tehm0nk> http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux/Wine
[18:55] <tehm0nk> woah i'm sorta new here lol :-P
[18:55] <tehm0nk> so you lost me there
[18:56] <Old_Gregg> tehm0nk:  do you know how to create a windows-capable partition from Ubuntu?
[18:56] <tehm0nk> right now i was about to try to unzip the wow installer i DL'd from a differant source than the blizzard downloader
[18:56] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  why do you want to do that?
[18:56] <tehm0nk> windows capable?
[18:56] <tehm0nk> i finally figured out how to have a shared partition
[18:57] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  i though you had no windows installed at all on that box.
[18:57] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  I don't currently
[18:57] <tehm0nk> i'm gonna go into windows and install wow from there... then run it off there i think
[18:57] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  I have the installation files on the Ubuntu desktop
[18:57] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  I can't get them to burn to an El Torito CD
[18:58] <prasoon> hi there.. does anyone know how to detect my battery  under kubuntu?? after installing kubuntu on my laptop.. it is not recognizing my battery at all
[18:58] <noaXess> !vfat
[18:58] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  i always kept a clean bbackup of my isntalled wow dir. :) learned that one time that WoW update was trashing peoples installs. heh
[18:58] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[18:58] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg, You seem to be Jumpping all over the place here.. what does burning stuff to cd have to do with this?
[18:59] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  The end goal:  Windows XP on the computer again.
[18:59] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  you planing on removing Linux ? or dual booting?
[18:59] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  I have the installation files ready to go, but I can't run it except from a bootable CD, because Ubuntu owns my only partition.
[18:59] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Death to linux.
[19:00] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  fire up k3b then. i doubt if the files will fit on cd. may need a dvd.
[19:00] <Dr_willis> unless the files have some amazingly freaky names.. they should burn.
[19:00] <Dr_willis> Lets see.. reinstalling xp. then wow. then the updates..  Your weekend is full.. :)
[19:01] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  what's k3b?
[19:01] <Dr_willis> !k3b
[19:01] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[19:01] <Dr_willis> the cd burning app for Kubuntu :) i dont know what gnome uses
[19:01] <Dr_willis> gtoaster perhaps..
[19:01] <noaXess> what kde tool to use for creating and formatin partitions?
[19:01] <Old_Gregg> I was using GnomeBaker, but it can't make bootables
[19:01] <jussi01> noaXess: qparted
[19:02] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  WHY do you need the data files for WoW to be BOotable?
[19:02] <jussi01> Old_Gregg: try brasero
[19:02] <tehm0nk> he i need to reboot
[19:02] <noaXess> jussi01: okey..
[19:02]  * Dr_willis is just geting more and more lost.
[19:02] <Old_Gregg> Not WoW
[19:02] <Jeroi> hello
[19:02] <Old_Gregg> Windows XP
[19:02] <prasoon> hi there.. does anyone know how to detect my battery  under kubuntu?? after installing kubuntu on my laptop.. it is not recognizing my battery at all
[19:02] <Jeroi> does anyone know how to get teamspeak klient work with alsa?
[19:02] <Jeroi> I have installe alsa-oss
[19:02] <jussi01> Old_Gregg: if you burn an iso, it should be bootable anyway...
[19:03] <Jeroi> using amd64bit
[19:03] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  You have a copy of xp disk 'files' in a dir. and you want to create a bootable cd from them? Or do you have an iso file?
[19:03] <noaXess> jussi01: you mean qtparted?
[19:03] <Jeroi> starting teamspeak aoss
[19:03]  * Dr_willis wonders at the legality of this.. but......
[19:03] <Jeroi> but my headphones and mic is muted
[19:03] <jussi01> noaXess: yeah
[19:03] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Exactly.
[19:03] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  No ISO.  Need one.  Can't make one.
[19:03] <Jeroi> amarok plays fine on my headphones
[19:03] <DreadKnight> jussi01: i tried that a while ago and still nothing
[19:04] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Tried all day yesterday until I got pretty angry.
[19:04] <Jeroi> but teamspeak dont
[19:04] <murchadh> Hi all! I can't log in from kdm as some of my keyboard keys aren't recognised. Switch to terminal and they're fine. Any ideas?
[19:04] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  See, this is the problem I have with Ubuntu.  The link you gave me, the "K3B Howto", shows how to install it.  THAT'S IT.  The lack of support is appalling.
[19:05] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  not meaning you.
[19:05] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  you are my hero.
[19:06] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Okay, so I am running k3b.  Do I do "New Data CD Project" or "Burn CD Image"?
[19:06] <jussi01> Old_Gregg: go install k3b, then start it from the menu, click help -> k3b handbook. how is that hard?
[19:06] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,   you aparently cant bother to look at the actual program docs eh? :)
[19:06] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  How do I know where there are any?
[19:06] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  k3b is rather straight forward.
[19:06] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Understand, until last weekend, I'd never heard of Ubuntu
[19:07] <Dr_willis> list of files at top. buttons at bottopm for type fo disk to make.
[19:07] <Dr_willis> drag from top to bottom. click burn
[19:07] <jussi01> Old_Gregg: usually pressing f1 when you are in a program will give you the help for it
[19:07] <Dr_willis> MAKING a xp bootable iso however.. is somthing ive never done.
[19:07] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: new data cd project means you wanna make a custom compilation cd, burn cd image means you want to burn an .iso or some cd image
[19:07] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis: And that will create the CD as El-Torito?
[19:07] <Dr_willis> I have xp iso image files ive.. lets say.. aquired.
[19:08] <jussi01> *cough*
[19:08] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  email it to me?
[19:08] <Dr_willis> there is a XP slipstreaming howto out on the net. that proberly details it.
[19:08] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis: :D
[19:08] <Dr_willis> I dont even have xp on this box
[19:08] <Old_Gregg> DreadKnight:  If I have the files I want to make an El Torito (I think ISO) on my desktop, can I copy them as such to a CD to make it bootable?
[19:09] <Dr_willis> actually i cant recall ever making a bootable cd from scratch
[19:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[19:09] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: what the heck is el torito? xD
[19:09] <Dr_willis> You need to find the boot floppy image i recall. and use it somewhere.
[19:09] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Done it in windows countless times.
[19:09] <Dr_willis> I cant recall ever needing to do it. :)
[19:09] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: if the .iso image is designed to be bootable, you just need to burn it to a cd ;) nothing more
[19:09] <Old_Gregg> DreadKnight:  Okay, I want to be able to put this CD into the drive, boot up the computer, and have it run from the CD.
[19:10] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: operating system cd images are made to be bootable, just burn..
[19:10] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  if you just copied all the 'files' from a cd.  its highly likely you did not copyover the 'boot file' needed. since its normally not accessable from the cd.
[19:10] <DreadKnight> operatin system virtual images* i mean
[19:10] <Dr_willis> I think.. I may be wrong on that.
[19:11] <Old_Gregg> well... the catch is I don't actually have the image.  Just the files.
[19:11] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: then don't bother
[19:11] <Old_Gregg> damn
[19:11] <Jeroi> Old_Gregg then just burn those files into cd
[19:11] <DreadKnight> xD
[19:11] <Jeroi> man
[19:11] <Jeroi> I dont get teamspeak work
[19:11] <Old_Gregg> Well, if I create an NTSF partition in Ubuntu, can I copy the XP files into it and run them on it from Ubuntu?
[19:11] <Dr_willis> Jeroi,  oh? i use that all the time.
[19:11] <Jeroi> mu headphones and mic is muted
[19:12] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  you want to run the windows installer files with wine? DOnt think thats a good idea.
[19:12] <Jeroi> I have but go for front mic, backmic and mig boost
[19:12] <Jeroi> in alsamixer
[19:12] <Jeroi> Dr_willis can you help me?
[19:12] <Old_Gregg> I want to install windows on this computer on a seperate partition, make it bootable, and boot from it.  I do not have a bootable windows CD, but I have the installation files.
[19:12] <Jeroi> I use mobo audio
[19:12] <Jeroi> ac97
[19:13] <Dr_willis> Jeroi,  ick. :)
[19:13] <Jeroi> 7.1 channels
[19:13] <Jeroi> amarok works
[19:13] <Jeroi> with alsa
[19:13] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  you may want to do some googling for that.. I imagine its possible.. but it may be easier to just go get a xp disk somewhere.
[19:13] <Jeroi> trhue mu head phones
[19:13] <Jeroi> and same time movie players work
[19:13] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: just download an iso from all over the internet and burn it, install it on a separate partition. this is what it's called dual booting
[19:13] <Jeroi> but teamspeak is oss
[19:13] <Old_Gregg> awesome!
[19:14] <Dr_willis> Jeroi,  yep. I have no issues with it on my Creative card. but onbosrd cards often dont want to share the audio as well.
[19:14] <Jeroi> on windows they do
[19:14] <Jeroi> mobo sound works perfect
[19:14] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: so if you have windows installed and ubuntu/kubuntu on a cd, you can still make dual boot..
[19:14] <Jeroi> and all the alsa apps work perfect also in linux
[19:14] <Dr_willis> Jeroi,  windows also has actually drivers from the company.. :) and all the apps have aggred on how to do it. Unlike Alsa vs OSS.
[19:15] <Dr_willis> the issue is the old OSS apps :)
[19:15] <Jeroi> ?
[19:15] <Jeroi> do I need to do something?
[19:15] <Jeroi> I am on amd64 also
[19:15] <noaXess> !thunderbird
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[19:15] <Dr_willis> sound under linux used to use the OSS 'way' - now everything is changing to the ALSA way.  I guess ya can say
[19:15] <Jeroi> there was teamspeak amd64 packages in apt
[19:16] <sigma_> Riddell: i read on downloadsquad.com very recently that kubuntu 8.04 won't be lts, is this true?
[19:16] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: since when is teamspeak oss? O_o
[19:16] <Jeroi> ?
[19:16] <Dr_willis> DreadKnight,  thats what i was wondering also...
[19:16] <Jeroi> now
[19:16] <DreadKnight> xD
[19:16] <Dr_willis> DreadKnight,  but ive never noticed. :) its always worked for me.
[19:16] <Old_Gregg> Dreadknight:  Any idea on where I can DL an ISO?
[19:16] <Old_Gregg> :D
[19:16] <Jeroi> installed teamspeak-client and server
[19:16] <Dr_willis> Best "Sound" Advice.. get a decent sound card. Heh heh..
[19:17] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: yeah, mininova.org is a popular tracker
[19:17] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: isohunt.com also
[19:17] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  and if we say more.. we may get in trouble..
[19:17] <DreadKnight> Dr_willis: right :D
[19:17] <Riddell> sigma_: seems to be
[19:17] <Jeroi> teamspeak default configuration is oss /dev/xxx
[19:17] <Jeroi> or something
[19:17]  * DreadKnight goes to check out about teamspeak ...
[19:18] <Old_Gregg> Really?
[19:18] <mc_> do you know any decent bittorrent client that I can use on my server(so without X11). I'm currently using the bittorrent and bittornado package,but both of them do not support distributed tracking which sucks.
[19:18] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  if you are planing on dual booting. I find it a Lot easier to have Windows on the first HD. and linux on its own seperate hard drive.
[19:18] <Old_Gregg> But I bought the disk
[19:18] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  then legally I Gues syou can call up MS and ask for a replacement.
[19:18] <BluesKaj> Old_Gregg, http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[19:18] <Old_Gregg> I legally purchased windows.  Made a back-up, in several moves, lost the original and have always just used the back-up
[19:18] <Old_Gregg> now that I have linux, I can't.
[19:18] <Dr_willis> what backup are you refering to?
[19:18] <Old_Gregg> Did that when I lost the original.
[19:18] <sigma_> Riddell: it also said that it will only have kde4 (well thats if i read correctly), I thought kde4 was considered too unstable to be the default desktop in kubuntu?
[19:19] <Old_Gregg> The CD I have the installation files on.  I was stupid and didn't make it bootable
[19:19] <Old_Gregg> hence my problems now
[19:19] <Dr_willis> and How did you 'use' those befor?
[19:19] <Old_Gregg> Running Windows, I just popped in the CD and ran the installer
[19:19] <Old_Gregg> or, from a C:/, I'd go to the D: and run the installer
[19:20] <Old_Gregg> Linux won't let me.
[19:20] <Old_Gregg> tried.
[19:20] <Dr_willis> so you 'reinstalled' the os.. over the existing os. :)
[19:20] <DreadKnight> well, i checked out... teamspeak is not oss, it's just free for non-commercial use
[19:20] <Old_Gregg> Yea, basically
[19:20] <Riddell> sigma_: that's not right
[19:21] <pros922> I think I've been unfairly banned from #ubuntu. Can anyone here help me?
[19:21] <Dr_willis> Linux isent stopping you. :) its just not doable at all with your setup. Stop blaming Linux. :) If you had a totally blank/new HD.  and Dident have Linux at all.. you wouldent even be here chatting with us getting help. Heh
[19:21] <sigma_> Riddell: which part of it? kde4 being the default desktop or it being too unstable?
[19:21] <jussi01> pros922: please join #ubuntu-ops
[19:21] <Jeroi> DreadKnight what you mean?
[19:21] <Jeroi> that teamspeak dosent use oss sound system?
[19:21] <Riddell> sigma_: "only"
[19:21] <sigma_> pros922: what do you guys do to get banned? you are the second guy to say that
[19:21] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: i mean it's not oss
[19:21] <Old_Gregg> dr_willis:  lol!  But if I had a blank/new HD, I wouldn't NEED to be chatting with you getting help.
[19:21] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: open source software
[19:22] <Jeroi> atleast  I checked that I have latest v2 installed
[19:22] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  How do you utilize a torrent in Ubuntu?
[19:22] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  how so? if your HD was empty..you have no XP to install to it...
[19:22] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  you make a good point.
[19:22] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  theres a bittorrent client installed by default.. UNLIKE windows..
[19:22] <Artimus> Old_Gregg: Open the thing in ktorrent?
[19:22] <Dr_willis> ktorrent is for Kubuntu, some other one for ubuntu.
[19:22] <Jeroi> DreadKnight if your teamspeka works, what have you done to get it work without sound and mic muted?
[19:23] <sigma_> Riddell: ok but kde3 and kde4 will both be on the shipit cd for the user to make a choice hey?
[19:23] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  Im suprised the guy at frys dident try to sell you a Uber-Vista-edition claminguit would run your games 4% faster
[19:23] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: eh.. haven't used teamspeak for years :\
[19:23] <cplusplus> hi how could i install libcurl?
[19:24] <Artimus> sigma_: I don't think they've figured that out yet.
[19:24] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  the torrent has 581mbs to install... at 1.7kbs/sec.  Will take about 2 days to get it all....
[19:24] <jussi01> cplusplus: Go to adept, search for curl and install it.
[19:24] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  I don't want Vista.  Adamently refused it.
[19:24] <Riddell> sigma_: kde 4 mostly
[19:24] <cplusplus> what about the packetmanger?
[19:24] <cplusplus> curl != libcurl
[19:24] <jussi01> cplusplus: adept is the package manager
[19:25] <Artimus> cplusplus: adept_manager is the program, not sure what it's called on the KDE Menu
[19:25] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  shame that its going to get forced on you in the next year or so.. but thats MS's way.
[19:25] <DreadKnight> cplusplus: press alt+space to launch katapult and start typing adept..
[19:25] <Artimus> libcurl3
[19:25] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  now ya see why so many of us perfer linux with its quirks over windows. :)
[19:25] <Artimus> That's the openssl version
[19:26] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Hence why I wanted to do Linux.  I haven't completely given up on Linux.  I just need some help.  I bought a big book, but it's chinese to me.
[19:26] <Artimus> libcurl3-gnutls is also a choice
[19:26] <sigma_> Artimus: it would make sense to, that is if they want lots of people to test it, after all its not going to be a lts release
[19:26] <mauri> keffeine is not able to read a dvd movie
[19:26]  * Dr_willis has a link for Old_Gregg  for FREE books.. :) just a sec
[19:26] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  So how good at Linux would you say you are?
[19:26] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  theres very little i Cant do with it.. that i need to do. :)
[19:27] <cplusplus> DreadKnight i only have ssh now
[19:27] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training
[19:27] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Guide me.  I want to do 2 things.  That's it.  Run WoW and Ventrilo.  That's all.
[19:27] <Artimus> sigma_: At this point, it's all politics to me.  I jump from release to release.  I'm currently working on finding and fixing bugs in Hardy.  I'll leave the LTS politics to the people that are involved.
[19:27] <BluesKaj> !dvd | mauri
[19:27] <ubotu> mauri: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[19:27] <Dr_willis> Free Ubuntu "student/teacher" books like for a Class on Ubuntu -->   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training
[19:27] <mauri> BluesKaj: yes, i re-installed kubuntu 7.10 and now i'm not able to see agian the dvd movie
[19:27] <Dr_willis> Thats a must bookmark link . to give out to the various new users.. too bad its ubuntus specific. :(
[19:28] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  You were doing that earlier..  You know the basics.. its all the quirks with the game thats the issue.. theres more to life and PC's then games.
[19:28] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  if you had kept your earlier WoW install.. you would proberly bee playing it now.
[19:28] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  That's all I want this machine to run.  I have my other computer set up as my home office.
[19:29] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  Ok.. lets back up here. with what you just said..
[19:29] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  I lost my sound.  Can't play it without sound.
[19:29] <sigma_> Artimus: well it dont make much difference to me, when theres a upgrade, i upgrade! lol. its probably only about 5% of users that hang onto dapper, mainly those who are supported by canonical i guess, i doubt anyone is running dapper in this forum
[19:29] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  with a xi-fi card - you are not going to have sound under linux anyway. at least not at this time on 32bit.
[19:29] <mauri> BluesKaj: libdvdcss2 is not found by adept
[19:29] <Artimus> sigma_: Heck with LTS people, I want KDE4 :P
[19:29] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Right.  I'm exchanging the card at Fry's, if I stay with Ubuntu.
[19:30] <BluesKaj> read the whole post , mauri
[19:30] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  if you have a 2nd windows machine. You could install WoW on it. then copy over the Installed Dir. to the linux box.
[19:30] <DreadKnight> Artimus: want kde4 too, can t manage to install it
[19:30] <Artimus> I had it installed at one time.  It was very very unfinished
[19:30] <DreadKnight> Artimus: damn broken packages :(
[19:30] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Installing WoW wasn't the problem.  I had it installed, up and running and everything was peachy.  I just couldn't have vent running with sound and WoW running with sound.
[19:30] <Artimus> DreadKnight: I had no issue with them being broken, just unfinished software
[19:31] <k4ever> hi all.  i'm using kubuntu 7.10 and i'm having trouble with compiz fusion.  is this a good place to ask for help?
[19:31] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  I followed CrossOvers guide on how to make it do that, and then I had no sound whatsoever.
[19:31] <jussi01> !compiz | k4ever
[19:31] <ubotu> k4ever: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:31] <DreadKnight> k4ever: kwin will have compositing features in kde4 :P
[19:31] <Artimus> DreadKnight: Been here yet?  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[19:31] <BluesKaj> !compiz | k4ever
[19:31] <BluesKaj> oops
[19:31] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Hey wait a minute... I can make a boot disk from my windows machine and use it on the linux machine, yea?
[19:32] <pros922> k4ever what kind of video card?
[19:32] <k4ever> ok will go there
[19:32] <DreadKnight> Artimus: yes, dependencies issues => broken packages
[19:32] <Dr_willis> I dont use crossover so cant tell ya how good they do things. If you want to be serious about running WoW on Linux . you may want to check out Cedega. its a coemrcial version of wine with focus ong ames.. and a very large forum on wine/Wow/Othergames issues.
[19:32] <k4ever> pros922:  nvidia geforce fx 7700
[19:32] <BluesKaj> DreadKnight, do you have synaptic installed ?
[19:32] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  No idea on the windows boot thing. :) CAN you do it? :) you are the Leet-Windows-haxor.
[19:32] <DreadKnight> BluesKaj: adept
[19:32] <jussi01> DreadKnight: did you try the remove command? even though you never had it before?
[19:32] <pros922> k4ever. You're in great shape then. NVIDIA works very easily. Minimal configuration compared to ATI
[19:32] <Artimus> DreadKnight: Bummer.  I'm sticking with KDE3 for now...  I'll be messing with KDE4 in Hardy, though...  I've got it installed in vmware
[19:32] <DreadKnight> jussi01: yes
[19:33] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  for a sound card. You might want to get a Creative Audigy 2zs or similer.. they are older cards.. but mine works like a champ
[19:33] <DreadKnight> Artimus: virtual machine get's stuck ... 512 ram.. hmm
[19:33] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  not sure how well some of the newer creative cards are supoported.
[19:33] <scart> anybody know where to turn for a compile error in kdebase in KDE 4.0?
[19:33] <Artimus> DreadKnight: I've got a gig.  384 for the VM
[19:33] <BluesKaj> DreadKnight, try synaptic ,..it has an option to fix broken pkges under it's edit tab
[19:34] <Artimus> ...  We really need to fix adept and borrow some features from Synaptic
[19:34] <sigma_> Artimus: lol same here, the screenshots that the kde devs are uploading are making me drool, lol. I don't have a high volume i-net connection so can't download the live cd's, all i got ahold of was the opensuse one and it was hopeless :), i think it was the suse backbone and not kde!
[19:34] <k4ever> for some reason the compiz settings manager will not store my changes when i log out.  i select "png" so i can use the splash and cube caps but when i log back into kde the splash is not there.  i go to ccsm and png is not select.
[19:34] <DreadKnight> BluesKaj: it's more a dependency issue... :| heh.. think i ll have to wait
[19:34] <Dr_willis> k4ever,  check the following
[19:34] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[19:34] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:34] <Artimus> sigma_: The one I used was pretty bad...  The applications were great, Konqueror definitely looks better, as does Dolphin.
[19:34] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  I'm tempted to yank the one out of the old computer and put it in here.  And Cedega appears to want me to subscribe in order to DL their software.  I'm not big on a monthly subscription fee.
[19:34] <Artimus> sigma_: But the actually "shell" so to speak is bad.
[19:35] <Dr_willis> k4ever,  kde/ccsm/compiz has an issue with one of the ways ccsm stores the settings.
[19:35] <il12> ok. question: Are there any particular advantages/disadvantages of using Kubuntu over Ubuntu?
[19:35] <Dr_willis> k4ever,  i think the 'flat file' setting is what you need.
[19:35] <BluesKaj> that's what synaptic does, it uninstalls the broken packages if the dependencies aren't met
[19:35] <Artimus> il12: KDE instead of GNOME
[19:35] <Artimus> il12: Only real difference, really.  Look at screenshots and see what you like more.
[19:35] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  You just said somthing really odd.. You play WoW but said ' I'm not big on a monthly subscription fee.'
[19:35] <BluesKaj> DreadKnight, sorry for repeating myself, but that's what synaptic does, it uninstalls the broken packages if the dependencies aren't met
[19:36] <il12> Artimus: ty. SO it's just the GUI that is the difference?
[19:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[19:36] <DreadKnight> il12: i started with gnome... and converted recently  xD hated kde... but now i just love it
[19:36] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Wow is worth it.
[19:36] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,   thats debateable...
[19:36] <k4ever> dr_willis:  i'm using flat file backend
[19:36] <Dr_willis> cedega has a Demo I recall also.
[19:36] <pros922> Agreed on WoW. Been a while, but what a great game
[19:36] <Dr_willis> k4ever,  im out of ideas then. sorry.
[19:36] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis: Consider for an entire month of WoW, I spend less than a single night at the movies, and get a whole lot more enjoyment.
[19:36] <pros922> Anyone here do second life?
[19:36] <Artimus> il12: Correct.  They share the same packages for the other software
[19:36] <DreadKnight> BluesKaj: hmm :)
[19:36] <jussi01> !ot | pros922
[19:36] <ubotu> pros922: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[19:36] <il12> Artimus: tyvm.
[19:36] <aslam> can i downgrade from 64bit ubuntu to 32bit
[19:36] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis: 6 months of WoW costs less than a single date night.
[19:36] <cj_> hi. how can i tell which package a file is from?
[19:36] <Dr_willis> of course theres the 'issue' i hear of - with Blizzard every so often Banning accounts using WINE/WoW.
[19:37] <Artimus> aslam: Nope, reinstall, sorry
[19:37] <jussi01> aslam: with a full reinstall
[19:37] <llutz> cj_: dpkg -S file
[19:37] <_Redondos_> Hi
[19:37] <mauri> BluesKaj: it told that the dvd is crypted and that i'm not allow to see it
[19:37] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,   if you play WoW enough. You dont ever have a date also! ;)
[19:37] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis: True.  That's the goal.
[19:37] <aslam> thanks
[19:37] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  :D
[19:37] <Dr_willis> 1 Month of Cedega = Big Mac and Fries.
[19:37] <pros922> Big Mac sounds good right about now
[19:37] <aslam> is there anyway i can backup all my settings and programs and transfer it to my new install?
[19:38] <Dr_willis> I will stick with my LordOfThe Rings Online and its Lifetime accont i have.. :) I dont feel i have to play it every day
[19:38] <k4ever> don't worry, i'm asking the question in the #compiz-fusion channel now
[19:38] <Dr_willis> Plus my brother plays it more then i do.
[19:38] <Dr_willis> k4ever,  yea compiz - is such a... well.. work in progress
[19:38] <Artimus> aslam: You could copy your home directory to a flash drive
[19:38] <cj_> llutz: cheers
[19:38] <DreadKnight> aslam: um.. leave the home partition intact ? :P well, won't save the programs, just the settings
[19:39] <Artimus> Does Kubuntu make a home partition by default?
[19:39] <sigma_> Artimus: which live cd did you try? funnily enough alot of people have told me that the base was perfect
[19:39] <aslam> Artimus: wat about settings in the modprobe.d folder?
[19:39] <Artimus> (I always manually partition)
[19:39] <Artimus> sigma_: This was a while ago
[19:39] <_Redondos_> I installed the nvidia driver and enabled the tv out with dual view. The tv works fine, but in the pc monitor I see like the screen is higher than the monitor and when I move the cursor to the borders it "raises" to show me the complete screen...why that?
[19:39] <Dr_willis> aslam,  you may want to archive the home dir. then copy the archive to a other drive. then restore it fromt he archive.. permissions Might get messed up otherwise
[19:39] <mauri> I tried to see a dvd movie but kaffeine told that the dvd is crypted and that i'm not allow to see it
[19:39] <Artimus> aslam: Oh, those will be gone...
[19:39] <Old_Gregg> Can you run an ISO from a CD-RW?
[19:39] <Artimus> aslam: You could try to copy /etc over.  It'd probably mostly work...
[19:40] <Dr_willis> _Redondos_,  thats desktop panning. so you dont have dead zones  :)
[19:40] <aslam> Artimus: thanks
[19:40] <mauri> Old_Gregg: no is a origina dvd movie
[19:40] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: if you mount it to a virtual drive or if you burn it to a disk
[19:40] <Artimus> marui: You need to install libdvdcss2.  Someone gave you a link to it.
[19:40] <_Redondos_> Dr_willis: aha...
[19:40] <_Redondos_> Dr_willis: yes Desktop  panning...
[19:40] <Dr_willis> _Redondos_,  I normally have tv out + pc monitor. . want my xorg.conf?
[19:40] <Old_Gregg> DreadKnight:  Right, so I can burn the iso to a CD-RW and it will work just as well as a CD-R?
[19:40] <_Redondos_> Dr_willis: yes please
[19:40] <Artimus> mauri: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[19:40] <Hamra> hi, im installing kde4, and was following the instruction at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php , im installing xserver-xephyr, after that, what should i do to run KDE4 as a full session? the commands mentioned are to be run in KDE? or with KDE not running?
[19:40] <cj_> Old_Gregg: mount it on a loop
[19:41] <Old_Gregg> DreadKnight:  And when I tried to burn to my CD-RW last night, it said the disk was protected.
[19:41] <_Redondos_> Dr_willis: do you understand what's my problem? because my english is not well
[19:41] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: re-writable disks are slower, but heh, you got plenty of time :P
[19:41] <Old_Gregg> DreadKnight:  ass.  :P
[19:41] <sigma_> Artimus: ah i see, ya the one i tried was also one of the first ones, rather horrible, the icons were even missing (well most of them). at least the kubuntu devs will have a while to play with it between when the final comes out and hardy is released
[19:41] <Dr_willis> _Redondos_,  I dont have that issue on my setup. I have the tv set to one res. and the monitor set to another. Yours may be trying to be smart. hers is my xorg.conf ---->     http://pastebin.com/d1e30c7dc
[19:41] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: perhaps you re-write it too many times ?
[19:42] <cplusplus> sudo apt-get install openssl? i need lcrypto....does openssl include that?
[19:42] <Old_Gregg> DreadKnight:  Is there a limit?
[19:42] <Dr_willis> well off for food.. back in a few hrs.
[19:42] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: yes, you can't rewrite the same re-writable cd for ever :D
[19:42] <Artimus> sigma_: Fair enough.  I hope to see good things in Hardy
[19:42] <BluesKaj> mauri , install the medibuntu repository on your sources.list or open adept , click on adept/manage repositories/kubuntu software "x" all the boxes , then open the third party tab and 'x" all the boxes there as well.
[19:43] <_Redondos_> Dr_willis:  ok. well I have enabled "dual monitor" from systemsettings "monitor" section
[19:44] <BluesKaj> mauri , then you can install libdvdscss2
[19:44] <sigma_> Artimus: dont we all. not too sure what gutsy did, dolphin was rather sad, along with strigi, and for some reason gdebi was trying to crash the hdd;s on my intel pc's. but on the brightside it did stop my laptop hdd from clicking at shutdown and reading the drive every 5secs during use
[19:44] <BluesKaj> mauri,  libdvdcss2
[19:45] <Hamra> can anyone help me?
[19:45] <sigma_> and that im rather grateful for
[19:45] <BluesKaj> !ask | Hamra
[19:45] <ubotu> Hamra: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[19:45] <Hamra> i already asked :  im installing kde4, and was following the instruction at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php , im installing xserver-xephyr, after that, what should i do to run KDE4 as a full session? the commands mentioned are to be run in KDE? or with KDE not running?
[19:45] <Dragnslcr> Hamra- if you want to run KDE4 as a normal session, select it on the login screen
[19:46] <Hamra> ok thnx
[19:46] <Old_Gregg> DreadKnight:  How utterly depressing.
[19:46] <sigma_> oh guys, if my cdrom is known as "scd" and my hard drive "sda" does this mean that they are both sata devices?
[19:46] <DreadKnight> Hamra: you lucky....  i could't get to install kde4 xD
[19:46] <_Redondos_> Dr_willis:ahh but you used nvidia-xconfig
[19:46] <_Redondos_> Dr_willis: I used nvidia-glx-config to setup the card
[19:46] <coverer> hello!
[19:46] <sigma_> DreadKnight: tried the live cd?
[19:46] <_Redondos_> Dr_willis: and then systemsettinmgs to set dual view
[19:47] <jussi01> DreadKnight: I assume you have: sudo apt-get install - f
[19:47] <DreadKnight> sigma_: nope, perhaps i'll just do that :\
[19:47] <DreadKnight> jussi01: that too
[19:47] <DreadKnight> jussi01: trying with synaptic in a minute
[19:47] <Schuenemann> I unzip a superkaramba file, edited one file and zipped it back, now I can't open it: "Could not read config file". What's wrong?
[19:47] <coverer> I've just successuflly insalled kubuntu 7.10 and now having problems with mp3
[19:47] <sigma_> DreadKnight: sometimes its better to not install alongside kde3, may cause some issues with kde3
[19:47] <jussi01> !mp3 | coverer
[19:47] <ubotu> coverer: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[19:48] <DreadKnight> sigma_: hmm... yeah..
[19:48] <mauri> Artimus: thank you very much. It had been easy with your help
[19:48] <mauri> Old_Gregg: : thank you very much. It had been easy with your help
[19:48] <Old_Gregg> mauri:  I didn't do nothing.
[19:48] <Old_Gregg> mauri:  But you're welcome.
[19:49] <BluesKaj> hehe
[19:49] <coverer> i cant't use only free formats - i have a lot of disks with mp3 files
[19:49] <jussi01> coverer: check the first link.
[19:49] <mauri> Old_Gregg: just a question...is ti 7.10 a stable versions or you had find some problems?
[19:49] <Old_Gregg> Alrighty, in about an hour, Ubuntu DIES!  :D  Thanks for your help DreadKnight and Dr_willis.  Have a great day!
[19:50] <BluesKaj> mauri, it was me who helped you :)
[19:52] <mauri> BluesKaj: sorry sorry
[19:52] <mauri> BluesKaj: thanks you
[19:52] <mauri> BluesKaj: I made a mistakes with the name
[19:53] <mauri> BluesKaj: : just a question...is ti 7.10 a stable versions or you had find some problems?
[19:55] <Schuenemann> oh, well, the problem was solved not zipping it back
[19:55] <Gast263> hi
[19:55] <Gast263> can someone help me plz?
[19:55] <jussi01> !ask | Gast263
[19:55] <ubotu> Gast263: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[19:56] <Gast263> ok sry, well, i ve just installed wine but it always shows that i havent a c: drive
[19:56] <Gast263> and i want to run WoW with wine
[19:56] <DreadKnight> Gast263: in your home  under /.wine you have a folder drive_c
[19:57] <coverer> one more kubuntu 7.10 problem... i've tried "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras" command as suggested, but got a message that kubuntu-restriced-extras not found...
[19:57] <Gast263> how can i check this?
[19:57] <Gast263> cause . means that it is invisible, aight?
[19:57] <jussi01> Gast263: view -> show hidden files
[19:58] <DreadKnight> Gast263: indeed :), if using dolphin, you have a button the edit the location, go from there (auto completion very helpful) of just reveal the hidden files from the view menu
[19:58] <Schuenemann> yes, the dot means hidden
[19:58] <Gast263> ok, well
[19:59] <Gast263> i have the folder .wine but it only contains system.reg and user.reg
[19:59] <DreadKnight> Gast263: sudo apt-get purge wine
[19:59] <DreadKnight> Gast263: sudo apt-get install wine
[19:59] <DreadKnight> Gast263: hope that will fix it
[19:59] <Gast263> which one first?
[20:00] <DreadKnight> Gast263: that order
[20:00] <coverer> one more kubuntu 7.10 problem... i've tried "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras" command as suggested, but got a message that kubuntu-restriced-extras not found... where can I add external packages sources and where can I find the list of those?
[20:00] <jussi01> Gast263: before you do, have you run winecfg yet?
[20:00] <jussi01> coverer: in adept - manage repositories
[20:01] <Gast263> yes and if i try to make a C: dir with the cfg, it works, and when i restart wine again the c: dir is disappeared
[20:01] <jussi01> Gast263: follow DreadKnight 's instructions then :)
[20:01] <Gast263> just doin it
[20:02] <Zvezdichko> hello, I have the following problem: I bought a new LCD monitor, Kubuntu is fine, X runs fine
[20:02] <BluesKaj> coverer ,install the medibuntu repository on your sources.list,  or open adept , click on adept/manage repositories/kubuntu software "x" all the boxes , then open the third party tab and 'x" all the boxes there as well.
[20:02] <Zvezdichko> but during load when I have to see kubuntu splash screen it says: Please, change your resolution to ... and refresh rate to 60 Hz
[20:02] <Dr_willis> DreadKnight,  Purging wine will NOT remove the users configuration files.
[20:02] <Zvezdichko> where can I do that?
[20:02] <Dr_willis> at least Id hope it wont.. :)
[20:03] <Gast263> ok now i resintalled wine
[20:03] <jussi01> Dr_willis: isnt that what a purge is supposed to do?
[20:03] <Dr_willis> jussi01,  SYSTEM config files.. Not user config files
[20:04] <Dr_willis> it would really suck if the package manager started messing in the /home dirs of every user
[20:04] <NeoFax> Hello everyone
[20:04] <Gast263> now i started the config and recieved a few warnings, is this normal?
[20:05] <Dr_willis> what if you removed say.. kde with purge. would that get rid of every .kde* dir  that all the users have? :)
[20:05] <LjL> Dr_willis: well, being able to track who created which config files wouldn't be a bad thing, though
[20:05] <jussi01> Dr_willis: point taken ;)
[20:05] <Dr_willis> LjL,   it does.. for the system settings. :) but then again.. what happens in /home stays in /home :)
[20:06] <Dr_willis> if you want  the users /home/whatever/configfile to be updated syste wide. I gyuess ya could make links from it to a system config.
[20:06] <LjL> Dr_willis: yes i don't see anything against the *user* being provided with a command to purge *their own* applications' config files
[20:06] <Dr_willis> or edit /etc/skel so new users get the right settings.
[20:06] <Gast263> however it doesnt work
[20:06] <LjL> yes=yet
[20:07] <Dr_willis> There is getting to be way way way too much config cruft in my home dir sadly. :(
[20:07] <Dr_willis> every little program wants its own .configname dir or .configfile
[20:07] <LjL> Dr_willis: that's why such a facility as i mentioned would help, imo.
[20:07] <Dr_willis> of course getting a decent 'standard' discussed would be good also.
[20:08] <LjL> it doesn't have to be black or white, where black is "a purge by root removes everything", and white is "home files are never ever touched"
[20:08] <Dr_willis> Theres some progress.. but i still see a lot of cruft. and redundantcy
[20:08] <Dr_willis> Heck. I dont think the default theme for Ubuntu is even saved in a theme file. I recall.
[20:08] <Dr_willis> its setup that way.. if a user changes themes. they cant easially go back to the original. (that may bee changed now however)
[20:09] <Dr_willis> Is Kubunu default desktop/theme the same way? i never noticed.
[20:10] <cplusplus> what is /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lidn ?
[20:12] <ardchoille> Did /usr/bin/find change recently?
[20:14] <Schuenemann> where is kubuntu's temperature info stored? I need that for a karamba theme
[20:14] <jpatrick> cplusplus: I think you have to install libidn11
[20:15] <cplusplus> whats that?
[20:15] <nosrednaekim> !sensors | Schuenemann
[20:15] <ubotu> Schuenemann: You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[20:15] <cplusplus> libidn11 is already the newest version.
[20:15] <cplusplus> @<jpatrick>
[20:16] <jpatrick> cplusplus: no idea then :/
[20:16] <cplusplus> hm
[20:16] <Schuenemann> nosrednaekim, is there an overhead for enabling those sensors?
[20:16] <Schuenemann> not taking karamba into account
[20:17] <nosrednaekim> Schuenemann: if you have anything over a 100mhz computer,you certainly won't notice it :D
[20:17] <Schuenemann> hmm looks good
[20:18] <Schuenemann> thanks
[20:19] <Schuenemann> nosrednaekim, This is usually safe though <- I hate this message
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> what? yeah, it can't hurt your computer
[20:20] <Schuenemann> then, why USUALLy safe, not ALWAYS safe? :p
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> where is that?
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> if its on the howto... i've never read it ;)
[20:21] <Schuenemann> Some chips are also accessible through the ISA I/O ports. We have to
[20:21] <Schuenemann> write to arbitrary I/O ports to probe them
[20:21] <Schuenemann> oops, sorry
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> Sch
[20:21] <Schuenemann> well, it's on the sensors detection itself
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> ah ok
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> I have NEVER heardof it harming someone.
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> don't worry ;)
[20:22] <Schuenemann> thanks... btw, have you ever tried it? :p
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> yes
[20:22] <rinaldi_> when i try to access my second hard drive (containing my other OS) in konqueror, i get the eroor message "hal-storage-mixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000". why would this be and how can i fix it?
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> Schuenemann: several times on several computers
[20:23] <Schuenemann> hehe alright
[20:23] <nosrednaekim> rinaldi_: you need to either mount it as root, or change the mount permissions
[20:23] <rinaldi_> ok
[20:23] <nosrednaekim> rinaldi_: change the mount permissions can be done from system settings->advanced->disks and filesystems
[20:24] <rinaldi_> nosrednaekim: ok thanks
[20:24] <JM> good evening folks! .... Anyone know when KDE4 is going to be released? Any good web sources please?
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> JM: january 17 I think
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> !kde4
[20:24] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[20:24] <NeoFax> JM: In Jan 08
[20:24] <Dragnslcr> JM- last schedule I saw was for January 11
[20:25] <Dr_willis> of 2050 :)
[20:25] <JM> brilliant thanks peeps
[20:25] <Schuenemann> is anyone using RC2? is it stable?
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> Schuenemann: been running it for 3 weeks
[20:25] <NeoFax> Schuenemann: I have tried it.
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> Schuenemann: rock solid
[20:25] <Schuenemann> how's it look?
[20:25] <Schuenemann> heh cool
[20:25] <NeoFax> It is missing some features that 3.5.8 has, but a much better foundation I think.
[20:26] <Dragnslcr> I tried it a bit. Seemed like a lot was still missing, especially in the configuration area
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> Schuenemann: looks great. but yeah, alot of things aren't configurable (yet)
[20:26] <JM> is it a good idea 2 use as a production environment or wait for a few release hence
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> JM: wait.
[20:27] <Schuenemann> I'd wait
[20:27] <Dragnslcr> Production environment?
[20:27] <NeoFax> JM: I would wait until 4.1 for a production system.
[20:27] <Schuenemann> in his work computers :)
[20:27] <Dragnslcr> Like company workstations?
[20:27] <ardchoille> How do I get konqueror to download a .pdf file instead of displaying it?
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> I'm only using it only because I need to be prepared to help people with it when everyone goes to it.
[20:27] <JM> prithass it ... where ur life would depend on it :o)
[20:27] <NeoFax> ardchoille: Right vlick and save as.
[20:27] <Schuenemann> nosrednaekim, you're part of the development team?
[20:27] <Dragnslcr> I always think of "production environment" as servers, but I guess that's just me
[20:27] <ardchoille> NeoFax: The right click tried to save a .php file
[20:27] <rinaldi_> nosrednaekim: im in disks and filesystems yet can't find how to change permissions...
[20:28] <JM> production environemnet i mean ... whwere ur life would depend on it
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> Schuenemann: not really, more of a over-dedicated community support member :D
[20:28] <NeoFax> ardchoille: Sorry, I don't know.  In firefox I use an extension for PDF's that aloows exactly that.
[20:28] <Schuenemann> JM, you use it in a hospital?
[20:29] <Dragnslcr> I wouldn't think that "where your life would depend on it" would be running a generic version of Kubuntu anyway
[20:29] <ardchoille> NeoFax: ok
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> rinaldi_: select te disk you want to mount. and select edit on the bottom of the page (you may need to be in admin mode)
[20:29] <theunixgeek> Hi. I just installed the Apache server software on a Kubuntu box; how do I get it up and running now?
[20:29] <NeoFax> Dragnslcr: Why not?  Linux is just as good or better in most instances than Windows.  Especially Real Time setups.
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> !LAMP
[20:29] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[20:30] <JM> Scheuenemann: of course not in a hospital env :o) .... just as a main day o day desktop env
[20:30] <Dragnslcr> NeoFax- Linux != off-the-shelf Kubuntu
[20:30] <Schuenemann> JM, you're very dramatic :-)
[20:31] <Dragnslcr> I would expect a place like a hospital would run a highly customized distribution
[20:31] <NeoFax> Yes, you can use OTS Kubuntu and change it how you want.  Linux is the kernel., everything else is a compilation that a distribution decides to bundle.
[20:31] <JM> yes sorry. its sunday night and ive had a bad day :o)
[20:31] <theunixgeek> nosrednaekim: I only want the A  in LAMP tho
[20:32] <NeoFax> There is software specifically for hospitals and I know of clinics that do use linux distros as their work environments.
[20:32] <Schuenemann> ardchoille, why do you use konqueror?
[20:33] <NeoFax> theunixgeek: Apache is already pre-setup with a generic config.  To start it just do sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start.
[20:33] <theunixgeek> NeoFax: thanks
[20:33] <ardchoille> Schuenemann: It's part of kde, it's not as bloated as firefox, it doesn't have the many memory leaks as firefox, it runs faster?
[20:33] <jpatrick> Schuenemann: it rocks? :)
[20:33] <theunixgeek> NeoFax: ok. now what? like where do I put my webpage?
[20:34] <theunixgeek> NeoFax: what directory, that is
[20:34] <ardchoille> jpatrick: :)
[20:34] <JM> i read recently that Kubuntu 8.04 will not be deemed a LTS editions due to the new KDE4 being included. wonder why?
[20:34] <Dr_willis> We talking about Opera? :)
[20:34] <Schuenemann> I think it sucks as web browser
[20:34] <NeoFax> theunixgeek: In /var/wwww
[20:34] <emilsedgh> yes, the answer is 'It Rocks'
[20:34] <jpatrick> JM: help us develop KDE4?
[20:34] <Dr_willis> When in doubt take the cautious approach for LTS  editions. :)
[20:34] <JM> i cant sorry. not a developer unfortunatley otherwise i would no question
[20:34] <NeoFax> JM: It will be a LTS distro.  The KDE4 will be an additional CD.
[20:34] <theunixgeek> NeoFax: thanks
[20:35] <cheguevara__> huh
[20:35] <jpatrick> JM: maintaining KDE3 and KDE4 versions of hardy would be hard
[20:35] <theunixgeek> NeoFax: would someone by able to access it by ip address?
[20:35] <cheguevara__> NeoFax, who sai that
[20:35] <cheguevara__> *sai
[20:35] <jpatrick> NeoFax: it won't
[20:35] <ardchoille> NeoFax: 8.04 won't be LTS
[20:35] <JM> what u mean take a cautious apporach? sorry should have mentioned, I'm a new linux user and want to move from vista asap
[20:35] <NeoFax> theunixgeek: If you open your router to point to that IP
[20:35] <jpatrick> NeoFax: because Canonical has decided not to support it
[20:35] <theunixgeek> NeoFax: what do you mean?
[20:35] <NeoFax> cheguevara__: Jonathan Riddel on his blog
[20:36] <Dr_willis> JM,   when comming out with New products  that your company will be supporting for several years.. its good business sence to be very.. conservitive.
[20:36] <JM> dr_willis: i see thanks
[20:36] <Dr_willis> Im suprised they even put compiz in by default in Gutsy. :) but there was such a demand for the eye candy.
[20:37] <NeoFax> cheguevara__: Check out this website:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-December/002066.html
[20:37] <Dr_willis> Wiggly windows addiction!
[20:37] <JM> jpatrick: i see also. good point. didnt think of it like that
[20:38] <jussi01> Can we keep this to Kubuntu support? If you want to chat, please head to #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:38] <jpatrick> NeoFax: nop, Kubuntu Hardy won't be LTS
[20:38] <JM> i got compizfision working in ubuntu (cant remember how) but would love to get it working in kubuntu. can someone point me to a good site that explains all?
[20:38] <Schuenemann> !lt
[20:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:38] <Schuenemann> !lts
[20:38] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[20:38] <NeoFax> theunixgeek: The system you are using needs to be accesible to the internet for people to see it.  If you are behind a router that NATs your address, you will need to open the ports to forward to your system.  Also, if you want people to go to your website without using a long revolving IP, use a dunamic DNS service.
[20:38] <nosrednaekim> !compiz
[20:38] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[20:44] <execut> selam
[20:45] <execut> arkadaşlar kubuntu kullanıyorum bir problemim var
[20:45] <execut> yardımcı olabilecek bir arkadaşım varmı?
[20:45] <Schuenemann> !tu
[20:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:46] <jussi01> !tr
[20:46] <ubotu> Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[20:46] <NeoFax> To all; I am sorry for the previous statement about the LTS release.  I assumed Kubuntu 8.04 would be an LTS version based off of some statements I had read on plaet.kde.org, but jpatrick corrected my assumption.
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> turkish? wouldna guessed :D
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> !tk
[20:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:46] <Schuenemann> !tr | execut
[20:46] <ubotu> execut: Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[20:47] <Schuenemann> oops, someone already did it
[20:47] <Dragnslcr> 8.04 was supposed to be an LTS version
[20:47] <Dragnslcr> This is actually the first time I've heard that it won't be
[20:47] <jpatrick> please take all LTS talk to #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:48] <intelikey> Dragnslcr whence is the information "<Dragnslcr> 8.04 was supposed to be an LTS version" ?
[20:48] <Dr_willis> the most ive heard talk about LTS in ages.. :) i wonder if anyone in here is actually running the LTS version?
[20:48] <intelikey> Dr_willis
[20:48] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: !!!! welcome back!!!
[20:48] <Dr_willis> :) we still suport the old lts  here at least. :)
[20:49] <Dragnslcr> intelikey- just what I kept hearing from everyone around here
[20:49] <Dragnslcr> I can't remember where I first saw it
[20:49] <intelikey> nosrednaekim :)
[20:49] <Dr_willis> Dragnslcr,  in #ubuntu+1 they were discussing it. and on the forums
[20:50] <nosrednaekim> hows the world of two bit color?
[20:50] <intelikey> Dragnslcr hmmm ok.    but wouldn't the place to check be the distro page ?
[20:50] <intelikey> !release
[20:50] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[20:52] <Dr_willis> 5 years,, thats like.. eons! in Comptuer time. :)
[20:52] <Dr_willis> 5 Years ago. where were we..
[20:52] <jussi01> Dr_willis: Please take it to Offtopic!
[20:52] <Dragnslcr> intelikey- https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> Windows ME
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> XD
[20:53] <Dr_willis> Ok ok.. :) has ubuntu even been around for 5 years? Time to check the book at   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training
[20:53] <intelikey> Dr_willis no.  but almost.
[20:53] <Schuenemann> ubuntu is the best invention since the wheel
[20:54] <intelikey> Schuenemann heh. the wheel was an invention  ubuntu is and adaptation.
[20:54] <Dr_willis> and Kubuntu is the Wheel with Nice treads.. and Compiz is the Wheel with those useless spinning Hubcaps!
[20:54] <Dr_willis> :P
[20:54] <Schuenemann> :D
[20:54] <Dragnslcr> Hehe
[20:56] <execut> This backtrace appears to be of no use.
[20:56] <execut> This is probably because your packages are built in a way which prevents creation of proper backtraces, or the stack frame was seriously corrupted in the crash.
[20:56] <execut> (no debugging symbols found)
[20:56] <execut> Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1".
[20:56] <jussi01> !paste | execut
[20:56] <ubotu> execut: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:56] <execut> im sory
[20:56] <Schuenemann> I don't think he'll read that
[20:56] <intelikey> it's like fishing for improved-brim   more flounce per ounce but more work before you can eat...
[21:00] <Bardamu> Hello
[21:00] <execut> hello
[21:01] <Dr_willis> Jello
[21:01] <intelikey> Bardamu
[21:01] <Bardamu> http://pastebin.ca/830181
[21:02] <Bardamu> execut has this message when he close kde
[21:03] <Bardamu> and he can't change the system's language
[21:03] <intelikey> install the needed language pack ?
[21:04] <intelikey> as to the "crash" i'm like the message it's writen in.   "there is no useful information there"
[21:05] <Bardamu> it's a crash of kde when he try to install needed language pack
[21:05] <bentob0x> how do you 'disable' fonts  you have installed without deleting them?
[21:05] <bentob0x> !fonts
[21:05] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[21:05] <ardchoille> !nickspam | Rommel
[21:05] <ubotu> Rommel: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[21:05] <execut> !fonts
[21:06] <intelikey> Bardamu kde4 ?
[21:08] <intelikey> !ot > intelikey
[21:08]  * intelikey was anticipating
[21:08] <Bardamu>  kde 3.5.8
[21:08] <Bardamu> intelikey:
[21:09] <intelikey> Bardamu hmmm.   and adept brings down the xserver when installing language*pack*
[21:09] <intelikey> ?
[21:11] <Bardamu> intelikey: yes
[21:11] <paRaDoX> hi
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> hey paRaDoX
[21:12] <intelikey> Bardamu drop to a console and use    apt-get install    on the same package.  it will show any error messages that might be pertanant.
[21:12] <paRaDoX> next version of kubuntu will use KDE 4 ?
[21:12] <intelikey> Bardamu you do know about linux console/tty  correct ?
[21:13] <Bardamu> intelikey: what is the name of language package for turkish ?
[21:13] <intelikey> Bardamu  apt-cache search turk
[21:13] <Bardamu> intelikey: i know ubuntu a litle , but yes i know about linux console/tty
[21:13] <intelikey> should list what's apropose
[21:13] <paRaDoX> KDE 4 in next kubuntu ?
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> paRaDoX: yes
[21:14] <paRaDoX> nICE !!!!!!!!!
[21:15] <intelikey> paRaDoX i'd say it depends on when kde4 is officially released relative to when the package inclusion is "frozen" for the next release
[21:15] <intelikey> always works to figure it that way.
[21:16] <Bardamu> intelikey: it's fixed i believe. It worked after updating the system
[21:16] <intelikey> Bardamu tov
[21:17] <Bardamu> intelikey: what does it mean "tov" ? :p
[21:17] <intelikey> good
[21:18] <Bardamu> Ok, i'm french , thanks for your help
[21:18] <intelikey> welcome.
[21:18] <Dr_willis> French! Egads! :)
[21:18] <Dr_willis> So is my brother in law..
[21:19] <intelikey> oh.  well i started to say   "be nice"  but in that case you probably have plenty to say....
[21:19] <Dr_willis> Hes a good sport about all the kidding we give him.  Of course he calls us Fat Lazy Americans. and we are all real real skinny.
[21:19] <intelikey> flab  ^
[21:19] <Dr_willis> he got stopped for speeding.. so he dident speak any english on purpose.. he got off with a warning. :)
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> !ot
[21:20] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[21:20]  * intelikey anticipated to early.
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> :D
[21:20] <intelikey> :)
[21:20] <Dr_willis> Heh.. he IS a real French Chef also.  How sterotypical is that.
[21:20] <Dr_willis> well back to reading.
[21:21] <Dr_willis> On a Ubuntu Topic - anyone else been reading/checking out the books at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training
[21:21] <intelikey> !i
[21:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:21] <Bardamu> Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1".
[21:22] <intelikey> silly bot.    i wish ubotu would ignore single char calls.
[21:22] <Bardamu> i spoke so far , for kopete it's not fixed :p
[21:22] <jussi01> !u > intelikey
[21:22] <intelikey> jussi01 !i  :)
[21:23] <intelikey> jussi01 if you are a code haxor then !i is the only way you can remember to say "not me"  :)
[21:24] <gabriel__> hello, i have geforce 8800 and have the latest driver installed. Now i just need to actually active compiz fusion... but i still don't get any wobbly windows :(
[21:24] <gabriel__> what do i need to check?
[21:24] <nosrednaekim> gabriel__: you ran "compiz --replace?
[21:24] <Schuenemann> who maintains ubotu's list of commands?
[21:24] <gabriel__> hmm i did compiz config BEFORE i installed my new gf card though..
[21:25] <gabriel__> nosrednaekim: so maybe i need to configure compiz once again?
[21:25] <nosrednaekim> !bot
[21:25] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[21:25] <nosrednaekim> gabriel__: maybe... you may have disabled wobbly windows.
[21:25] <youri> hello all
[21:25] <gabriel__> nosrednaekim:  wow it worked
[21:26] <intelikey> Bardamu you installed both the language-pack-tr and the language-pack-kde-tr as well as kde-i18n-tr   ?
[21:26] <Dr_willis> all bow down to the power of the Wobbly Windows!
[21:26] <gabriel__> nosrednaekim: so how do i automate that?
[21:26] <jussi01> !autostart | gabriel__
[21:26] <ubotu> gabriel__: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[21:26] <nosrednaekim> gabriel__: you need to add compiz --replace to your !autostart
[21:26] <intelikey> Bardamu you probably want each of them.
[21:27] <Schuenemann> nosrednaekim, what does that "suggest" mean?
[21:27] <intelikey> Bardamu there is also  language-pack-gnome-tr   if you use gnome any...
[21:27] <gabriel__> aha thanks.. i thought that would be more automated :P
[21:27] <Bardamu> hm.. Ok
[21:27] <Schuenemann> You can also suggest new factoids to ubotu
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> Schuenemann: what suggest?
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> Schuenemann: yeah, I don't know how to do that
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> #ubuntu-bots should have more info
[21:27] <Dr_willis> How about a factoid for the Training books ... --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training
[21:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[21:28] <Schuenemann> nosrednaekim, there is the syntax there, I just wonder what is  that "suggest" exacly
[21:28] <intelikey> Bardamu if that doesn't get you fixed up.  maybe Dr_willis or someone can help you trubble shoot,    i have to go now.
[21:28] <jussi01> Schuenemann: start a pm with ubotu  and then do !facoid is <reply> suggestion
[21:28] <Bardamu> intelikey: ok thanks no problem excit it's gone also :p
[21:28] <intelikey> tre bon chance with it.
[21:28] <jussi01> Dr_willis: Ok, we know about the training books...
[21:28] <Dr_willis> :)
[21:29] <Dr_willis> Im trying to figure out how to order a few copies for friends at work.
[21:29] <Bardamu> merci :)
[21:29] <Schuenemann> jussi01, well, now they'll have to bother with a useless test factoid :)
[21:30] <conrad_> hey, anyone know what's up with apt-get only checking the cd for packages, not the internet?
[21:30] <jussi01> Schuenemann: please dont do that to us...
[21:30] <Schuenemann> jussi01, it was your fault. You told me to
[21:31] <jussi01> !botabuse > Schuenemann
[21:31] <gabriel__> gaah.. i can't close the adept notifier now that i'm running compiz!
[21:32] <conrad_> can you kill it?
[21:32] <NeoFax> conrad_: Change your /etc/apt/sources.list file to add the internet based repos
[21:32] <Schuenemann> jussi01, aw, come on. I just wanted to know how the factoid was supposed to be added and you told me to add one.
[21:32] <conrad_> oh. i feel dumb, thanks neofax
[21:32] <jussi01> conrad_: or even easier, use the manage repositories in adept
[21:33] <jussi01> conrad_: just untick the cd in there
[21:33] <conrad_> ah. crazy graphical UIs!
[21:33] <conrad_> heh, didn't know about that one. thanks guys
[21:34] <il12> Is there a codec I can get for Amarok so that it will be compatible with MP3 files?
[21:34] <Schuenemann> !libxine-extracodecs
[21:34] <jpatrick> il12: install libxine1-ffmpeg
[21:34] <NeoFax> gabriel__: In ccsm there is a extension that allows you to tell compiz what programs to not mess with.
[21:34] <gabriel__> ccsm?
[21:35] <jussi01> !ccsm
[21:35] <ubotu> To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[21:35] <gabriel__> ok that i have
[21:35] <jussi01> Schuenemann: no, I told you how to add one...
[21:36] <il12> so I need to find libxine-extracodecs?
[21:36] <Schuenemann> jussi01, I already knew that, it is in the wiki
[21:37] <conrad_> what's the best way to find packages? I've always been using google and apt-get install, is there a nice graphical program to do this with other than adept (too messy)?
[21:37] <ardchoille> conrad_: open konqueror and type:  apt:/
[21:38] <NeoFax> conrad_: sudo aptitude search xxx
[21:38] <Dr_willis> apt:/ is such a handy feture. :)
[21:38] <conrad_> yeah i've never seen that before
[21:38] <conrad_> that's awesome
[21:38] <ardchoille> I love kio slaves
[21:39] <Dr_willis> kio slaves - the overlooked neetness under kde :)
[21:39] <Dr_willis> where did i see that list of all the kioslaves at. some setting tool.
[21:40] <Dr_willis> or was it in the help docs
[21:40] <ardchoille> conrad_: man:/ and info:/dir  work in konq too
[21:40] <gabriel__> NeoFax: do u know what i should look for?
[21:40] <conrad_> i feel like a little kid in a candy store with apt:/, haha
[21:41] <ardchoille> lol
[21:41] <Hirvinen> Whoa! I just love KDE more and more.
[21:41] <Dr_willis> Help Icon -> Contents --> kioslaves
[21:41] <Dr_willis> has a list of them
[21:42] <wolfgang> hi*
[21:47] <NeoFax> gabriel__: Not exactly, as I haven't used compiz in a long time.  You can try the Place extension, but I am not 100% positive this is it.  Also, you can ask on the compiz forums.
[21:54] <Schuenemann> @chuck
[21:56] <DreadKnight> hey is there a way to downgrade from hardy to gutsy without actually reinstalling... ?
[21:57] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: compiz slows down the pc... :-)
[22:04] <gabriel__> ok thanks NeoFax :)
[22:04] <michael__> shalom everyone
[22:04] <unix_infidel> anyone recommend a foobar2000 clone?
[22:04] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: That is not the reason I don't use compiz.  The reason is KDE does not work well with compiz.  Many apps just error like what gabriel is experiencing.
[22:04] <NeoFax> brb
[22:04] <gabriel__> sourcemaker: maybe not if you have a gf 8800gt card?
[22:05] <michael__> I have a sound issue that it seems no one can resolve
[22:05] <michael__> I just switched from Suse, but it looks I may be switching back if I cant get my sound working
[22:06] <jack1> im trying to do a system upgrade via Adept; however, the "Installing the upgrades" part stays at zero
[22:06] <jack1> michael_: what is your soundchipset?
[22:06] <michael__> I hear sound in the backgroud, but masked with heavy static
[22:06] <jpatrick> !sound | michael__
[22:06] <ubotu> michael__: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[22:07] <michael__> yeah, I tried them links
[22:07] <jack1> im trying to do a system upgrade via Adept; however, the "Installing the upgrades" part stays at zero
[22:07] <michael__> but I'll try the 4th time
[22:09] <jack1> i should say that i don't have any internet connection problems, its just that system upgrade halts at this point
[22:09] <jack1> its really annoying.....anybody can help?
[22:10] <ganjamaniac> heh
[22:10] <ganjamaniac> how can i change the CPU Gore Clock? i have ubuntu satanic edition and a core2duo
[22:10] <ganjamaniac> the gore clock utility swears about my cpu
[22:11] <ganjamaniac> i have no glue whats wrong with this gore utility
[22:11] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: ok... I did't know...
[22:12] <ganjamaniac> maybe intel weedstep is messed up
[22:12] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: I have only tested the performance and usability of compiz
[22:12] <michael__> is the SB Audigy es considered an 'old sound card'?
[22:13] <biovore> nope
[22:13] <biovore> Audigy was the last card from creative that worked worth 1/2 a hell..
[22:13] <ganjamaniac> i dope old stuff should work better on this system
[22:14] <Dr_willis> I have an Audigy2zs here.. runs like a champ
[22:14] <jack1> im trying to do a system upgrade via Adept; however, the "Installing the upgrades" part stays at zero and does not increase whatsoever
[22:14] <ganjamaniac> this 3d accelerating crap cards
[22:14] <ganjamaniac> i considder a M-Audio
[22:14] <michael__> I love it, but my 7.10 hates it
[22:16] <michael__> I get sound, but the static (and background whine/buzz) makes the 'good' sound almost enaudible
[22:17] <michael__> cant make out anything
[22:17] <michael__> no one has been able to figure it out and being a newbie doesnt help matters
[22:18] <jack1> im trying to do a system upgrade via Adept; however, the "Installing the upgrades" part stays at zero and does not increase whatsoever
[22:19] <marco__> hi, if I run Kinfocenter is "empty", but I've found all the icons and programs that are in "lost & found" K menu... any clue about how to solve?
[22:19] <michael__> I have been told that upgrading that way has yet to be reliable
[22:19] <marco__> and how can I tell what package a certain program belongs to?
[22:20] <marco__> jack1 clicki details button, probably you have a question to answer
[22:20] <jack1> nope
[22:20] <marco__> (maybe you installed apt-listbugs)
[22:20] <michael__> I just built a new system and I cant get 7.10 to even boot
[22:20] <michael__> looks like it will be windows only
[22:21] <marco__> jack1: I've no idea then... I just told you so because happend to me 1 hour ago
[22:21] <jack1> marco: thnx neways
[22:21] <michael__> AMD dual core 6000+, 2 gig of dual channel ram, 500 gig HD
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> michael__: can you get to the cd menu?
[22:22] <jack1> does anybody here have NVidia MCP51 Audio Chipset?
[22:23] <michael__> (I used allot of distros) but yes I think it did get there
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> not on this computer... but another one, I may
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> michael__: so what did it stall on? graphics?
[22:24] <michael__> booting into kde.... ended up being just a black screen and stayed that way
[22:25] <nosrednaekim> michael__: did you try safe graphics mode?
[22:26] <michael__> I cant remember (kinda hectic)
[22:26] <michael__> looking for the live cd now
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> ok
[22:28] <michael__> found it
[22:29]  * jinx is away: Gone away for now.
[22:29] <michael__> this is the fastest machine I have ever seen/touched
[22:29] <michael__> amazing
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> :D
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> !away| ^Jinx^
[22:30] <ubotu> ^Jinx^: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> !ping
[22:31] <ubotu> pong
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> michael__: oops sorry.
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> did you try booting safe graphics mode?
[22:32] <NeoFax> michael__: Have you tried swapping the vard to a different pci slot?
[22:32] <michael__> yes
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> michael__: nothing? what graphics card?
[22:32] <michael__> onboard video
[22:32] <michael__> still trying to boot
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> which is....
[22:32] <tsdgeos> nosrednaekim: how does that !ping thing fit into the "about unrequired scrolling" rule?
[22:33] <michael__> nvidia  geforce 6100
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> tsdgeos: sorry, I thought my internet had died, and since no-one was talking, I couldn't tell, so I did that.
[22:33] <michael__> n force 405
[22:34] <nosrednaekim> michael__: ah.. ok, that shouldn't have problems with safe graphics mode
[22:34] <michael__> monitor power light is blinking irraticly
[22:34] <michael__> black screen
[22:35] <nosrednaekim> hmmm does "ctrl+alt+f2" show anything?
[22:35] <michael__> checking....
[22:35] <michael__> hey
[22:35] <michael__> yeah
[22:35] <mauri> how to convert dvd9 to dvd5
[22:36] <michael__> I'm at the command prompt
[22:36] <Dr_willis> !dvd
[22:36] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[22:36] <Dr_willis> k9copy perhaps.
[22:36] <__-osh-__> !sound
[22:36] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[22:36] <NeoFax> michael__: Try this. Soft reboot the system.  when you get to the "Starting GRUB" little blurb hit ESC to actually see grub.  Change the quiet to verbose and put -noapic -nolapic at the end and see where the kernel or X is dying.  This is one reason on install disks graphic boots should be verbose.
[22:36] <Zombie> Do any of you use LDAP Authentication?
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> michael__: ok. soo, what you need to do is from there do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select vesa for your driver(all other settings leave as deafult). then run "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> NeoFax: this is a liveCD
[22:37] <NeoFax> nosrednaekim: Designed as an install CD as well.
[22:38] <mauri> how to convert dvd9 to dvd5
[22:38] <NeoFax> I would have checked Xorg.0.log first to see exactly what is erroring.
[22:38] <michael__> NeoFax: dude, I'm a noob, so I have no idea what you just said      lol
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> NeoFax: ah never mind, I didn't see that one sentence of yours..:D
[22:38] <NeoFax> michael__: You could have done grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see where the X server is dying.
[22:40] <nosrednaekim> NeoFax: shees, where have you been for the past few months?we can use more brains like yours :D
[22:40] <michael__> it says no such file or dir
[22:40] <michael__> when I do the grep thing
[22:40] <NeoFax> nosrednaekim: Also, I was wrong with the soft reboot as it is just a X error and not a kernel failure.  Trying to cut the leg off for an ingrown toe nail ;^)
[22:40] <nosrednaekim> michael__: "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE"
[22:40] <michael__> ok
[22:41] <mauri> how to convert dvd9 to dvd5
[22:41] <nosrednaekim> notice that that is a pipe,not a "i"
[22:41] <mauri> how to convert dvd9 to dvd5?
[22:41] <NeoFax> mauri: k9copy
[22:42] <mauri> NeoFax: is it able to convert also a protected dvd
[22:42] <michael__> same thing
[22:42] <NeoFax> mauri: Should with libdvdcss installed.  Granted, if you are in a country that bans this, you will be breaking the law.
[22:43] <NeoFax> michael__: What did the grep show?  Please use pastebin if the error is really long
[22:43] <mauri> NeoFax: it is allowed to have a backup cpopy
[22:43] <sigma_123> if u hav dvdcss installed yes. but thats in medibuntu
[22:43] <NeoFax> mauri: You are correct, but the DMCA forbids this in the US
[22:44] <michael__> same thing
[22:44] <michael__> no such file or command
[22:44] <sigma_123> shame poor people in the US:)
[22:45] <__-osh-__> Can someone come up with a nice/quick idea to unload all sound-related modules and then reload them again. Other than rebooting or doing it manually, one by one? They all depend on each other so it's a mess. :-/
[22:45] <michael__> I cant see where I'm typing it wrong
[22:45] <NeoFax> michael__: Do cd /var/log, then ls -l and look for a file that starts with Xorg.0.log
[22:45] <michael__> ok
[22:46] <NeoFax> __-osh-__: Couldn't you just sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart?
[22:46] <mauri> NeoFax: what is DCMA
[22:46] <sigma_123> osh: just restart alsa
[22:47] <NeoFax> mauri: It is a piece of sh!t law written in the US by whore-mongering lobbyist for peon congress-people to erode my rights.
[22:47] <__-osh-__> NeoFax: I could. But it doesn't bring back the sound.
[22:47] <sigma_123> yeah that one osh. its easier
[22:47] <__-osh-__> sigma_123: It would be, if it worked. Unfortunatly it doesn't. I don't think it unloads the modules. Does it?
[22:48] <sigma_123> NeoFax: how would they know?
[22:48] <michael__> Xorg.O.log
[22:48] <NeoFax> michael__: That should be a zero not the letter "O".
[22:48] <michael__> know what that might be a  zero rather than a "o", eh?
[22:48] <michael__> ahh
[22:48] <__-osh-__> Nope. doing an alsa-utils stop still shows all modules loaded.
[22:48] <michael__> ok, that was it then
[22:48] <sigma_123> osh: it restarts the whole sound system. why exactly do u wana do that?
[22:49] <michael__> so I just type that in there now?
[22:49] <michael__> what is the command now that I'm in the dir?
[22:49] <__-osh-__> sigma_123: I have no sound and watching a movie then is slightly dull. So I want sound. And for some reason I don't have it. :-(
[22:50] <NeoFax> __-osh-__: See with lsmod what all of the snd- modules connect to.  Normally a snd module.  Kill that by doing sudo rmmod snd(or whatever) and then sudo modprobe snd-cmipci(this is my chipset, so change for your setup)
[22:50] <NeoFax> michael__: cat Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[22:50] <michael__> k
[22:51] <sigma_123> osh: what card? linux is dam gud with sound. mine doesnt work on xp with drivers but works in linux just with alsa
[22:51] <mauri> i'm not able to see my floppy disk mount in dolphin
[22:51] <NeoFax> mauri: It won't you would hav to manually mount it
[22:51] <__-osh-__> NeoFax: Yeah, I've done that. I've got about 20 or so sound related modules. All depending on each other so removing one means removing a lot of others, but first I have to find one that have no dependancies and it's just too much work if this is the only way. A reboot would be both quicker and simpler in that case.
[22:52] <michael__> says this.. EE) AIGLX: screen 0 is not DRI Capable
[22:52] <NeoFax> __-osh-__: On my system bringing down the main one kills all of the others.  I don't have to do it one-by-one.
[22:52] <__-osh-__> NeoFax: Not that I think that such a simple thing as sound should need a reboot, there should be a quicker way to fix it.
[22:52] <michael__> does that mean monitor?
[22:52] <NeoFax> michael__: Do cd /etc/X11
[22:53] <__-osh-__> NeoFax: I'll try to find the main one then. Hang on.
[22:53] <NeoFax> Then sudo nano xorg.conf
[22:53] <nosredna_ekim> michael__: sorry! power outage!
[22:53] <michael__> wow, no prob
[22:53] <Schuenemann> what is the command to unzip?
[22:53] <mauri> NeoFax: the stange thing is that if i remove xorg.conf from /etc/X11 the floppy icon is present in the desktop
[22:53] <sigma_123> anyone here tested kde4 rc2 lately? if so how did it run?
[22:53] <NeoFax> Scroll down and look for the driver section for your video card.  It should say driver   "nvidia". Change that to "nv"
[22:53] <ardchoille> Schuenemann: unzip
[22:54] <nosredna_ekim> Schuenemann: for a tar.gz, "tar xvzf <arvive name>"
[22:54] <nosredna_ekim> sigma_123: yes, I have
[22:54] <__-osh-__> sudo rmmod snd
[22:54] <__-osh-__> ERROR: Module snd is in use by snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_hwdep,snd_seq_oss,snd_via82xx,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_via82xx_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[22:54] <Schuenemann> nah, it's a zip
[22:55] <michael__> NeoFax: was that sudo nano thing meant for me?
[22:55] <__-osh-__> Nope. removing snd isn't that easy... :-/
[22:55] <NeoFax> michael__: Yes
[22:55] <michael__> ok
[22:55] <sigma_123> nosrednaekim: yeah i know u have :)
[22:55] <nosredna_ekim> Schuenemann: humm well, read the tar man age
[22:55] <nosredna_ekim> sigma_123: I can't remember who all works.
[22:55] <Schuenemann> what's wrong with unzip?
[22:55] <nosredna_ekim> *asks
[22:55] <NeoFax> __-osh-__: Kubuntuism it seems.  It works fine here on Sidux.  I just tried it.  Let me look around.
[22:56] <michael__> ok there
[22:56] <__-osh-__> sigma_123: I've run kde4rc2. It's a good start. Not ready to replace 3.x-series yet, still pretty cool.
[22:56] <sourcemaker> Schuenemann: unzip is working fine
[22:56] <NeoFax> michael__: Do you see where the driver section is located with the nvidia string?
[22:56] <mauri> NeoFax: are you still there
[22:56] <nosredna_ekim> Schuenemann: never used that... in fact, I hardly ever use zips ;)
[22:57] <Schuenemann> sourcemaker, what does "inflating" mean?
[22:57] <michael__> looking...
[22:57] <NeoFax> mauri: Does the floppy icon always show? Or is it a recent thing?  Try doing sudo mount
[22:57] <Schuenemann> nosredna_ekim, why not?
[22:57] <NeoFax> brb
[22:57] <__-osh-__> Schuenemann: blowing up. like blowing up a life-raft.
[22:57] <nosredna_ekim> Schuenemann: becuase.... I... just don't... lol
[22:57] <sigma_123> osh: what did u find lacking in it?
[22:58] <ardchoille> Schuenemann: Using Linux, most of the archive's one finds will be .tar, .tar.gz or .tar.bz2
[22:58] <michael__> NOTE... I am on a live cd and not an install
[22:58] <nosredna_ekim> michael__: yeah, you will be able to safe this file long enough to install it ;)
[22:58] <Schuenemann> ardchoille, but, why? Isn't zip a free format?
[22:59] <mauri> NeoFax: no, no icon is shown
[22:59] <Schuenemann> __-osh-__, I know that, but, how does that suit an unzip command?
[22:59] <ganjamaniac> i hope linux will be more usable in the future
[22:59] <sigma_123> i hapen to think its more usable than windows
[22:59] <sourcemaker> Schuenemann: just use unzip filename... that's all
[22:59] <__-osh-__> sigma_123: configuration tools. polish. applicatons that work. applications that don't crash. drag-and-drop. lots of things. Still, I understand that the first version can't be "perfect" so I still say release it and let the app-devels have their time with it. It will be good eventually. KDE3 wasn't such a bit hit when it came out either.
[22:59] <nosredna_ekim> michael__: so you found that section where it says Driver "nvidia"?
[23:00] <ganjamaniac> houndrets of installers and such crap
[23:00] <__-osh-__> Schuenemann: it means that it's expanding the files to their orginal sizes.
[23:00] <ganjamaniac> i need to toast a kernel now
[23:00] <Schuenemann> sourcemaker, I did it before and it worked, thanks
[23:00] <ardchoille> ganjamaniac: If you have a support question, then please state it. But, that kind of complain really has no place here.
[23:00] <nosredna_ekim> michael__: very sorry! I have to go eat too... hopefully NeoFax is back soon!
[23:01] <Schuenemann> __-osh-__, oh, well, never heard that expression in uncompressing files before
[23:01] <michael__> it lists... as "Generic video card"  driver "vesa"    BusID "PCI"
[23:01] <ganjamaniac> i apologize my complains, but i am going to get crazy with my nvidia gfx card
[23:01] <sigma_123> ganjamaniac: thats what i thought as well. but it actually is more efficient than windows
[23:01] <sourcemaker> Schuenemann: Bust most unix archives are using tar, tar.gz, tar.bz2
[23:01] <ganjamaniac> i don't talk about windows
[23:01] <__-osh-__> Schuenemann: well, uncompress and inflate have almost the same meaning...
[23:02] <ganjamaniac> i talk about usability, like a graphic driver setup, thats really messed up for beginners
[23:02] <NeoFax> OK, I'm back.  Kids were misbehaving.
[23:02] <michael__> it says nothing about "Nvidia"
[23:02] <ganjamaniac> you have to download the kernel sources and such stuff, to install a graphic driver, thats kinda na
[23:02] <NeoFax> michael__: OK, what does it say?  fglrx, vesa, nv, ati...
[23:02] <sigma_123> ganjamaniac: how are u trying to install it? i installed one package an my card worked perfectly
[23:03] <michael__> it lists... as "Generic video card"  driver "vesa"    BusID "PCI"
[23:03] <ganjamaniac> yeah it works perfectly , after boot it doesn't regconize the card
[23:03] <sigma_123> ganjamaniac: no u dont not 4 nvidia
[23:03] <coverer> Somebody, help! Mozilla FileFox doesn't work, and if works, opens only pages previously opened in Konquerer
[23:03] <ardchoille> !nvidia | ganjamaniac have you seen this page?
[23:03] <ubotu> ganjamaniac have you seen this page?: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[23:03] <NeoFax> michael__: Change that to nv instead of vesa and then CTRL-x and save the file.  Then do startx
[23:03] <ganjamaniac> the card will not be regconized after reboot, i have to use the installer
[23:04] <mauri> NeoFax: no, no icon is shown
[23:04] <ganjamaniac> i used the installer stopping kde then sudo sh Nvidia-blah-pkg2.bin
[23:04] <sigma_123> ganjamaniac: use the glx drivers in the repo
[23:04] <michael__> how?  this looks like a read only file
[23:04] <ganjamaniac> this drivers aren't compatible for cuda computing
[23:04] <ardchoille> ganjamaniac: You really should have used the repository package, it works.
[23:04] <NeoFax> mauri: OK, then for it to show in dolphin just do sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[23:05] <sigma_123> ganjamaniac: even i cudnt do that!
[23:05] <ganjamaniac> the driver works, until next reboot
[23:05] <michael__> just type in "nv"?
[23:05] <ganjamaniac> i saved the xconf files in the X11 dir
[23:05] <coverer> What can be done to solve this problem?
[23:05] <ardchoille> ganjamaniac: Did you install Gutsy?
[23:05] <NeoFax> michael__: Replace the vesa with nv
[23:05] <michael__> lol, duhh
[23:05] <ganjamaniac> yeah a ape called gibbon
[23:05] <Schuenemann> nv or nvidia?
[23:05] <michael__> sorry
[23:05] <sigma_123> ganjamaniac: the glx drivers or the ones from nvidia?
[23:05] <NeoFax> coverer: Remove firefox and reinstall
[23:05] <ganjamaniac> of cours4
[23:06] <michael__> does it matter ? (nv or nvidia?
[23:06] <mauri> NeoFax: thank, it is mounted now, but it still not exist an icon in dolhpin manager. Do you know the reason why?
[23:06] <coverer> NeoFax, i did it for two time with the same result
[23:06] <sigma_123> usually the drivers only activate after a restart
[23:06] <ganjamaniac> i think the installer didn't set a path$ var
[23:06] <NeoFax> michael__: I don't think the LiveCD has the nvidia drivers on it
[23:06] <ganjamaniac> or something
[23:07] <michael__> ok
[23:07] <ganjamaniac> i don't know whats wrong whatever
[23:07] <sigma_123> ganjamaniac: did u install the package we told u to get from the repos?
[23:07] <ganjamaniac> first i installed that, then i upgraded to a new driver
[23:07] <NeoFax> mauri: In kcontrol there is a config to show mounted partitions and drives change this and it should work.  For dolphin, I am not positive, but all of the files will be in /media/floppy now.
[23:07] <ganjamaniac> because the repo driver doesn't support the cuda stuff
[23:08] <sigma_123> get nvidia-glx from packages.ubuntu.com
[23:08] <michael__> I have no option to save
[23:08] <sourcemaker> michael__: yes... nv is the nvidia driver... nvidia is a fallback dummy driver
[23:08] <ganjamaniac> no, i really need CUDA computing on this machine for FFT calculations
[23:08] <michael__> thanks sourcemaker
[23:08] <ganjamaniac> and the repo driver doesn't support cuda
[23:08] <ardchoille> michael__: nv is 2d, nvidia is 3d acceleration
[23:08] <sigma_123> huh isnt nvidia the prop driver and nv the opensource one?
[23:08] <michael__> ahh
[23:08] <NeoFax> michael__: Just hit CTRL-X and then it should prompt you to save.  Type y and it will save the file
[23:08] <michael__> gottcha
[23:09] <sigma_123> yeah thats wat i thought
[23:09] <mauri> NeoFax: sorry...where is kcontrol
[23:09] <NeoFax> ardchoille: nv does 3d as well, just not as good as the nvidia driver.
[23:09] <michael__> keep file name I guess right?
[23:09] <NeoFax> mauri: Alt+F2 and then type kcontrol
[23:09] <NeoFax> michael__: YES
[23:09] <michael__> go it
[23:09] <michael__> got
[23:10] <ganjamaniac> maybe duke nukem help me
[23:10] <sigma_123> nv dont do 3d as far as im concerned. geting ther slowly tho
[23:10] <ganjamaniac> but duke in dn3d forever
[23:10] <sourcemaker> michael__: is wrong: nv is 3d acceleration and nvidia is 2d... I am using a nvidia graphics card... with 3D *g*
[23:10] <sigma_123> ganjamaniac: does that even work in windows?
[23:10] <michael__> ok
[23:11] <michael__> I get a fatal error
[23:11] <sourcemaker> michael__: I am wrong----
[23:11] <michael__> fatal server erro actually
[23:11] <sourcemaker> michael__: nvidia is 3D :-)
[23:11] <ardchoille> NeoFax: Ah, good to know
[23:11] <NeoFax> michael__: nvidia is the proprietary NVIDIA built module.  Which is the best 3d you will get on Linux.
[23:12] <sigma_123> sourcemaker: no he isnt. i play 3d games with nvidia and can barely browse my computer with jerks with nv
[23:12] <NeoFax> michael__: When you start X?
[23:12] <michael__> yes
[23:12] <michael__> says...
[23:12] <sourcemaker> sigma_123: Yes...I know... I was wrong.... I already wrote
[23:12] <michael__> server is alredy running for display 0
[23:12] <sigma_123> sorry missed it
[23:13] <NeoFax> michael__: OK, do sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[23:13] <michael__> if server is no long running, remove /tmp/.XO-lock and start again
[23:13] <michael__> ok
[23:15] <michael__> lol
[23:15] <michael__> it said no such file or dir, then restated into X
[23:15] <michael__> its looking perdy
[23:15] <NeoFax> michael__: Congrats!
[23:16] <michael__> thank you sir
[23:16] <NeoFax> NP
[23:16] <il12> has anyone tried running Kubuntu from an external USB-connected harddrive? if so, how well does this work?
[23:16] <michael__> so after a install, it will reboot to x?
[23:16] <Lisper> hi
[23:16] <mauri> NeoFax: ok thanks
[23:16] <Schuenemann> michael__, pray so
[23:16] <michael__> lol
[23:17] <Lisper> should I add any repository to install compiz-fusion on kde (kubuntu gutsy)
[23:17] <michael__> well, I am install on a 500 gig drive with XP
[23:17] <Schuenemann> michael__, backup your xorg.conf in case X can't be started
[23:17] <NeoFax> michael__: No, what you will need to do is remember after the install to change the vesa to nv again.  There is a way to do it, but it requires chrooting and such.
[23:17] <sigma_123> Lisper: no. just use the ubuntu repos
[23:18] <Lisper> ok
[23:18] <Lisper> so I just apt-get install compiz and I'm ready to go, right?
[23:18] <sigma_123> Lisper: instructions at help.ubuntu.com
[23:18] <Lisper> drivers are in place
[23:18] <NeoFax> Lisper: !compiz
[23:18] <michael__> lol, I have no idea what I just did
[23:18] <Lisper> !compiz
[23:18] <NeoFax> !compiz
[23:18] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:19] <Lisper> cool
[23:19] <sigma_123> check out the site to see which ones2install. kde needs more packages
[23:19] <sigma_123> yeah thats da link
[23:20] <sigma_123> i always 4get how2do dat
[23:20] <noaXess> is it normal that i can't create a vfat hd with 180GB?
[23:20] <sigma_123> why not ext 3 it?
[23:20] <NeoFax> noaXess: What is the error?
[23:21] <sigma_123> can anyone tel me wats so good bout reiserfs?
[23:21] <Lisper> I'm using Gutsy so there's no need to add any repository but compiz-kde is not there
[23:21] <NeoFax> sigma_123: Nothing now.
[23:21] <noaXess> sigma_123: i work with qtparted, i can create the vfat partition but if i format it, it says unknown fs type..
[23:21] <michael__> hey swap file should be double of your memory?
[23:21] <michael__> I forgot
[23:22] <sigma_123> oh i got that 2. giv me a sec il tel u wat to do
[23:22] <NeoFax> michael__: That is what I do. Some say 1.5 of your memory.
[23:22] <michael__> working with 2 gigs
[23:22] <Lisper> NeoFax: could you help me a second please?
[23:22] <NeoFax> noaXess: Try using cfdisk.
[23:22] <nosredna_ekim> sigma_123: generally, rieser is good for a lot of big files
[23:22] <michael__> ok thanks
[23:23] <NeoFax> Lisper: OK, but I haven't used compiz in a while.
[23:23] <sigma_123> noaXcess: try clicking the format button
[23:23] <noaXess> NeoFax: okay..
[23:23] <il12> has anyone attempted to run Kubuntu from an external USB HDD?
[23:23] <nosredna_ekim> il12: yes
[23:23] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Do you know... where I can find the .config file from the current kubuntu kernel for compiling the lastest my own?
[23:23] <nosredna_ekim> NeoFax: fixed michael__' s X?
[23:23] <NeoFax> nosredna_ekim: I wouldn't use reiser anymore.  Ext3 has caught up and passed it. Also, it is no longer supported other than critical bugs.
[23:23] <il12> nosredna_ekim: how well has this worked for you?
[23:23] <nosredna_ekim> yeah
[23:23] <killer_> w/o init.d how do I change the runlevel?  I'm reading upstart.unbuntu.com.. not obvious yet..and "man upstart" fails to produce on-server documentation
[23:23] <nosredna_ekim> il12: works great
[23:24] <NeoFax> nosredna_ekim: Yes
[23:24] <Lisper> NeoFax: In the help.ubuntu.com site, it says that if I have feisty I have to add  another repo, but not if I use gutsy. Still, there's no package called compiz-kde in the gutsy repo
[23:24] <nosredna_ekim> il12: as long as your computer can boot from USB
[23:24] <il12> nosredna_ekim: ty
[23:24] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: It should be in /usr/src or in /boot
[23:24] <sigma_123> didnt that guy that designed reiser fs get charged 4the death of his russian mail order bride?
[23:24] <il12> nosredna_ekim: yes, it can, and I've got four USB ports so if I can't then there's something seriously wrong with my computer. haha!
[23:25] <noaXess> sigma_123: it won't :(
[23:25] <nosredna_ekim> sigma_123: thats pretty much the story.
[23:25] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: It's in boot thanks
[23:25] <NeoFax> Lisper: This is my own personal opinion, so take with a grain of salt.  I would use t3vno's packages for compiz.  That is what I used like 6 months ago and they were kept updated and very few problems.
[23:26] <Lisper> hmm
[23:26] <KkValetekK> hello people :)
[23:26] <killer_> This task guesses what the "default runlevel" should be ... "guesses"??
[23:26] <killer_> sheesh
[23:26] <sigma_123> oh well at least he finished designing the filesystem:) i didnt know people actually ordered brides off da internet. thought it was a joke. lol
[23:26] <greythane> NeoFax: where can I find t3vno's stuff. I have use the gusty stuff without problems but are interested in checking
[23:27] <NeoFax> greythane: Lisper: See this:  http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=1012
[23:27] <killer_> could someone highlight why event.d is better than previous runlevel controls?
[23:27] <nosredna_ekim> sigma_123: well, thats not what happened really.. but lol
[23:28] <sigma_123> he was probably framed!
[23:29] <Lisper> gotta restart x
[23:29] <Lisper> brb
[23:29] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Is there a difference between kernel.org and the kubuntu kernel...?
[23:29] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: YES, very much so.  There is a big difference between distros as well.
[23:30] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: so I should install the lastest kernel?
[23:30] <sourcemaker> NeoFax:  should not
[23:30] <sigma_123> guys we are lagging. the ubuntu channel has more than 1100 people! lol. need to drum up the support somehow
[23:30] <nosredna_ekim> sigma_123: don't!I like it quiet :D
[23:31] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Depends on your reasons.  I upgrade to the latest as I am a updater whore.  The only real reason you should is for hardware support.
[23:31] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: The WLAN Card is not working... the problem has been solved in 2.6.23.x
[23:32] <il12> Ok, question. I want to install lastfm on my computer but when I go to do it it says an older version is open on a software channel and it's recommended to use this one since it is more likely to have support for it.
[23:32] <killer_> ok.. /etc/event.d/rc-default script guesses wrong, it starts in GUI mode
[23:32] <sigma_123> fair enough. the main message window on ubuntu. just keeps flying down. its crazy! but no fair cos they hav more devs
[23:32] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Compiling the lastest stable version from kernel.org with the kubuntu .config.... is this safe? Or are there more kubuntu changes... in the sources?
[23:32] <il12> So do I go with the recommended and find it in a software channel (whatever this happens to be........ I am very new to this), or just go with the latest version that I've just downloaded the packages of?
[23:32] <nosredna_ekim> sigma_123: :D
[23:32] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: That is why you should.  However, as K/X/Ubuntu does drivers differently than anyone else, I would weigh the reason before jumping down the rabbit hole.
[23:33] <nosredna_ekim> il12: you know, Amarok has full support for last.fm
[23:33] <Dr_willis> Hmm anyone know of a rather simple command/tool to convert a bunch of mpg's i recordded with mythtv to somthing a lot smaller.I got a script for avidmux - but its not working. :(
[23:33] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Yes it is safe, but see my previous response.  There is alot of ease you give up by doing this.
[23:33] <killer_> !runlevel
[23:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about runlevel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:33] <killer_> figures
[23:33] <nosredna_ekim> Dr_willis: yeah..... there is a perl script out there, forget the name
[23:33] <sigma_123> well neva fear when then see the light they'll switch to kde:)
[23:34] <nosredna_ekim> Dr_willis: it was in a Linux Journal
[23:34] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: ok... well I Gentoo ... is was much easier.. to update the kernel version... ;-)
[23:34] <il12> nosredna_ekim: Ok, my apologies. I had thought it did but when I looked on last.fm it hadn't shown my playlist history even after refreshing, but it does now. Ty! sorry to bother
[23:34] <nosredna_ekim> il12: no problem :D
[23:34] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: In every other distro it is.  K/X/Ubuntu has their proprietary deb package that kills this.
[23:35] <Dr_willis> nosredna_ekim,  heh, ok googling around a bit.
[23:35] <Dr_willis> Im niot sure why my avidmux script fails some times
[23:35] <killer_> !inittab
[23:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about inittab - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:35] <killer_> firgures
[23:35] <NeoFax> Dr_willis: Why not use mencoder and use a little bash script?
[23:35] <NeoFax> killer_: what is the problem?
[23:36] <sigma_123> well im out. its way past bedtime:)
[23:36] <Dr_willis> NeoFax,  thats it- trying to figure out the command lines. :)
[23:36] <NeoFax> killer_: Ubuntu doesn't use a inittab BTW
[23:36] <Dr_willis> 12 differnet tools with 10000  optuions.
[23:36] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[23:36] <killer_> problem is I installed kubuntu gutsy, then tried to edit /etc/inittab to change the runlevel
[23:36] <killer_> so now I"m lost
[23:36] <nosredna_ekim> Dr_willis: and a million line long man page :D
[23:37] <Dr_willis> i can do them one at a time with Avidemux  - but for some (@*&*@&*@!@ reason the script i have some times fails.
[23:37] <Dr_willis> guessing a typo/space somthing issue
[23:37] <NeoFax> Dr_willis: Use mencoder on one to see what options you like and such and just do a loop command to loop thru each file.
[23:37] <il12> Is there a way for me to install Kubuntu onto my external HDD without having to burn it to a cd first..? I can unpack the .iso file if need be.
[23:37] <nosredna_ekim> !persistent
[23:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about persistent - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:38] <nosredna_ekim> il12: yes... there is a way.
[23:38] <noaXess> any idea, why i can't format a vfat hd.. and my system won't know it..
[23:38] <Dr_willis> NeoFax,  excet  i got no cluie what half the options do. :)  I just need them Anything smaller then the 2gb+ size each one is now
[23:38] <noaXess> fat32
[23:38] <Dr_willis> !find transcode
[23:38] <ubotu> Found: xfonts-100dpi-transcoded, xfonts-75dpi-transcoded, gtranscode, transcode, transcode-doc (and 1 others)
[23:38] <noaXess> !fat32
[23:38] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[23:38] <NeoFax> killer_: K/X/Ubuntu only uses 1,2,6 and S.  3,4 and 5 are not really used.  It is a debianism they picked up.
[23:38] <Dr_willis> Aha! gtranscode!
[23:38] <nosredna_ekim> Dr_willis: it was the GTK curse... ;)
[23:38] <nosredna_ekim> *has
[23:38] <Dr_willis> !find ktranscode
[23:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[23:39] <nosredna_ekim> lol
[23:39] <ubotu> Package/file ktranscode does not exist in gutsy
[23:39] <Dr_willis> i need to figure out some day how to make mythtv recode these things
[23:39] <il12> nosredna_ekim: it would install the same or a similar way without me having to format the drive? it would just partition or I could use Ubuntu to create a partition on the drive for it to use to install Kubuntu onto?
[23:39] <nosredna_ekim> Dr_willis: check out mythburn
[23:39] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Can I install only one package from the unsupported list? For example my kernel?
[23:39] <killer_> NeoFax: only concerned w/ gui/multiuser and NONgui/multiuser
[23:40] <nosredna_ekim> il12: either should work.... search google for "persistent ubuntu install"
[23:40] <il12> nosredna_ekim: alright. but, I have to ask, why 'persistent'? so that it won't give me the info for the livecd?
[23:40] <NeoFax> killer_: In /etc/inittab put 5 in the inittab line.
[23:41] <killer_> there is no /etc/inittab
[23:41] <nosredna_ekim> il12: no... thats a sort of installation where you can take the USB drive anywhere to any computer and it will redetect your hardware
[23:42] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: I wouldn't.  You are asking for trouble.  However, I compile my own kernels and do away with most of the ubuntu proprietary modules crap anyway.  The reason is I only have a few modules that need the restricted modules support so compiling them by hand is easier for me.
[23:42] <killer_> NeoFax: the missing /etc/inittab is kinda what started my issues today
[23:42] <il12> nosredna_ekim: ahh, ty. sorry. I just started with Ubuntu on friday.
[23:42] <nosredna_ekim> il12: yeah... no problem :D
[23:42] <killer_> NeoFax: "man runlevel" does not explain the runlevels supported
[23:42] <michael__> question
[23:43] <A|i3N> YO anyone here know anything about using a Sprint Mogul phone with Kubuntu 7.10??!?!!?! I use it on windows for my internet and I want to use it with linux also
[23:43] <NeoFax> killer_: So, you have a missing inittab and are currently in kubuntu?
[23:43] <Dr_willis> Hmm..  WARNING: non .avi file (we only support multiple avi files in gtranscode) Is_It_Real____2007_10_20__2_00_AM___Chupacabra.mpg
[23:43] <michael__> is it grup that is the non graphical dual boot screen?
[23:43] <Dr_willis> Wonder if that means they MUST be named .avi  ... heh heh
[23:43] <michael__> I mean grub
[23:43] <il12> nosredna_ekim: will this work for an external HDD? it's 500GB and I've got 300GB+ free so I know that having room on it wouldn't be the issues.
[23:43] <tuxwulf3> Do I post questions about dolphin here? or in offtopic?
[23:43] <Dr_willis> !dolphin
[23:43] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[23:43] <Dr_willis> :) depends on the q. heh
[23:43] <nosredna_ekim> il12: yes, the procedure is the same
[23:43] <killer_> NeoFax: yep, fresh install of gutsy
[23:43] <nosredna_ekim> il12: though I think it needs to start off empty...
[23:43] <il12> nosredna_ekim: wonderful! tyvm
[23:44] <il12> crap........
[23:44] <cahuez> hiya there..!
[23:44] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Nice to know!  So I am waiting... and waiting... and waiting... for the next kernel update from kubuntu.... :-)
[23:44] <nosredna_ekim> il12: of course... you can try to install it the normal way...
[23:44] <nosredna_ekim> sourcemaker: its not going to happen until April
[23:44] <tuxwulf3> Yes thank you but that was not the question...
[23:44] <killer_> I've been SA'ing *nix systems since 96 and found nothing missing from SysV init
[23:44] <il12> nosredna_dekim: Will it let me choose which HDD I use?
[23:44] <sourcemaker> nosredna_ekim: oohh...
[23:45] <sourcemaker> nosredna_ekim: that's bad
[23:45] <nosredna_ekim> il12: yes.... just don't use the automatic partitioning
[23:45] <nosredna_ekim> sourcemaker: you can download the Hardy Alpha..
[23:45] <tuxwulf3> Right. The question is how to change default views in dolphin - how to set them so they are always the same
[23:45] <il12> nosredna_ekim: and I am supposed to do this how? I'm sorry, I don't even remember -having- that option when I originally installed Ubuntu...
[23:45] <nosredna_ekim> il12: its on the partitioning step... select "manual"
[23:46] <sourcemaker> nosredna_ekim: Well... using aAlpha software is not an option...
[23:46] <il12> nosredna_ekim' tyvm.
[23:46] <nosredna_ekim> il12: for safety, you can unplug your internal disc first.
[23:46] <tuxwulf3> Konversation in 710 is also ... not remembering settings, it seems...
[23:46] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Yes, unless you want to compile one yourself.  Since you've been on Gentoo, it should not be hard for you.  Just remember, if you need to install a kernel module package, you will have to do it yourself.
[23:46] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: ok... this should be easy
[23:47] <il12> nosredna_ekim: it's a laptop, so I'll pass on that bit. ;) I'll wait and see if I can get a USB flash/thumbdrive that's clean and try it then.
[23:47] <NeoFax> nosredna_ekim: I thought the Hardy kernel was just one step up from Gutsy and not 2.6.23.
[23:47] <nosredna_ekim> NeoFax: actually.. its 2.6.24rc2!
[23:48] <crimsun> nosredna_ekim: no, it's -rc5 plus a larger delta.
[23:48] <nosredna_ekim> yeah... well <_<
[23:48] <nosredna_ekim> I'm behind a little :D
[23:49] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: So, if this is the case, then just use Hardy's kernel.  It keeps the ubuntu ease and provides the module you need.
[23:49] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: how can I download this kernel?
[23:49] <NeoFax> nosredna_ekim: Don't feel bad, I didn't even know they were using the .24 series ;)
[23:49] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Go to the hardy repos and download it then sudo dpkg -i
[23:50] <tuxwulf3> ... But I guess I will ask for Konqueror back as my default file manager. Why it changed to dolphin, no idea. Bad choice
[23:50] <NeoFax> And before anyone suggests adding Hardy's repo and installing from there don't!!!
[23:51] <firecrotch> I'm curious as to how the "Check CD for Defects" option on the Live CD works... can anyone shed some light on that one for me?
[23:51] <nosredna_ekim> firecrotch: hmm I'm not sure really.
[23:51] <NeoFax> firecrotch: md5
[23:51] <biovore> probably MD5 sum of the disk image
[23:52] <firecrotch> That's what I thought, but how can you have a CD image that knows what it's own md5 sum should be?
[23:52] <sd132> is ther a way to adjust the desktop position in kubuntu?
[23:52] <biovore> you know what you wrote.. there on there site..
[23:52] <NeoFax> firecrotch: It has the md5 in a file on the cd.  The program runs md5 and then checks this against the fiel
[23:53] <A|i3N8> mogul, Kubuntu, and USB phone as modem anyone know anything bout setting it up? Using 7.10
[23:53] <firecrotch> NeoFax:  So the md5 sum is in a separate file on the CD, apart from the image?
[23:54] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Can you give me the URL?
[23:54] <firecrotch> Okay, I think I get it....
[23:54] <NeoFax> A|i3N8: Check this out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=522600
[23:55] <coverer> Mozilla firefox opens only pages previously opened in Konqueror :(
[23:55] <NeoFax> firecrotch: When you burn the CD it is no longer a image.
[23:55] <firecrotch> NeoFax:  Right.  I get how it works now
[23:55] <NeoFax> coverer: sudo aptitude remove firefox && sudo aptitude install firefox.
[23:55] <A|i3N8> i'm new to linux kinda used kubuntu before and liked it so i dual booted it. I was SOOOOOOOO surprised when i installed it on my vista system and it resized my HD, made a partition, installed and dual booted without a hitch lol amazing
[23:56] <jpatrick> or... sudo aptitude install --reinstall firefox
[23:56] <nosredna_ekim> A|i3N8: yup :D
 yeap, i did it too..!
[23:56] <nosredna_ekim> A|i3N8: as for phone modems... there is a factoid around here somewhere..
[23:56] <firecrotch> A|i3N8: have you tried to boot back into vista? because when I used the kubuntu live CD to resize a vista partition, it screwed it up
[23:57] <nosredna_ekim> yeah... you should resize from within vista..
[23:57] <Schuenemann> does conversion to FLV to MPEG lose quality? (not sure if the question suits the channel)
, are you able to boot back vista again..!?
[23:57] <nosredna_ekim> Schuenemann: to FLV to MPEG............. from what?
[23:57] <A|i3N8> yea i'm in vista now i have no internet on linux till i get this figured out and figure out how to DO it once i find the instructions hehe
[23:57] <tuxwulf3> Yup ... I never trust automatic partitioning...
[23:57] <Schuenemann> from FLV to MPEG, sorry
[23:57] <nosredna_ekim> !phone
[23:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about phone - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:57] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, the mpeg video can only be as good as it's source. FLV is (usually) pretty low quality.
[23:57] <cahuez> inside vista you can resize the ntfs parts..
[23:57] <nosredna_ekim> !modem
[23:57] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[23:58] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Do you know the repos url ?
[23:58] <Schuenemann> NickPresta, is it as good as the source?
[23:59] <A|i3N8> so far from what i'm finding i gotta have a bluetooth adapter
[23:59] <NickPresta> Schuenemann, basically, your (converted) mpeg video can only be as good a quality as the source video is (the FLV video). You can't get quality out of nowhere. If you want to ask more questions, #kubuntu-offtopic please =)
[23:59] <A|i3N8> I don't have dialup access hehe
[23:59] <A|i3N8> i use my sprint mogul
[23:59] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/
[23:59] <A|i3N8> thank you for pointing me in the right direction to search for it though :)
[23:59] <nosredna_ekim> A|i3N8: yeah... but the methods are pretty close. i'm digging up a tutorial for you