[00:19] <poningru> hmm
[00:19] <poningru> I think there is something wrong with turning on the fan in my laptop after coming back up from hibernate
[00:19] <poningru> as in the cpu temp goes waaay up
[00:19] <poningru> but the fan doesnt kick in
[00:20] <poningru> but only after I hibernate and then come out of it
[00:32] <DanaG> Don't you just love broken BIOSes?
[00:33] <DanaG> I've been lucky to only have the opposite problem, and only occasionally:
[00:34] <DanaG> My ACPI Thermal Zone will sometimes randomly decide it's really hot, and ramp the fans way up, and stick that way until I reboot.
[00:34] <poningru> hmm you think its the bios?
[00:34] <poningru> oh that makes sense I guess
[00:34] <poningru> whats hibernate?
[00:34] <poningru> S5?
[00:34] <DanaG> Or rather, the ACPI code -- what's called a "DSDT".
[00:35] <DanaG> I find it odd that it'd work after hibernate -- hibernate seems mostly like shutdown, to me.
[00:35] <poningru> S4
[00:35] <DanaG> Somewhere the kernel must be poking something in a way that makes the fan work.
[00:35] <poningru> no I think its probably the bios
[00:35] <DanaG> DSDT is stored in / part of the BIOS.
[00:35] <poningru> oh hmm
[00:36] <DanaG> But you can override it if you can find a fixed one online.
[00:37] <DanaG> You'd have to look up your system (laptop or desktop or whatever) by model number, along with the word 'ACPI'.
[00:37] <poningru> yeah tried that already
[00:37] <poningru> havent really found anything
[00:37] <poningru> oh well not my laptop
[00:37] <poningru> just the chipset
[00:38] <DanaG> Dang.
[00:54] <crimsun> hmph.  We seem to have a problem with the default mixer element being mislabeled in pavucontrol.
[00:54] <crimsun> e.g., PCM vice Master
[00:58] <DanaG> PulseAudio does odd things to my USB headset.
[00:58] <DanaG> The control name in alsamixer is "Speaker".  When I try to use the gnome volume control, the left channel repeatedly drops to zero volume.
[01:03] <crimsun> DanaG: what're the `lshal` and `asoundconf list` bits for your headset?
[01:06] <DanaG> oh
[01:07] <DanaG> asoundconf list:  "Headset"  (without quotes)
[01:07] <DanaG> Which part of LSHAL?  Just name and Device ID?
[01:08] <DanaG> info.product     Logitech USB Headset
[01:08] <crimsun> DanaG: everything relevant to your headset.
[01:09] <DanaG> I'll pastebin the whole thing, then.
[01:11] <DanaG> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49369/
[01:11] <DanaG> Oddly, it shows up as a composite device with only one subdevice.
[01:11] <DanaG> I guess they must make another model that uses similar chips but adds a HID device, or something.
[01:14] <crimsun> unfortunately there's no SSID info
[01:14] <crimsun> that's the only way that can be cross-referenced
[01:16] <DanaG> SSID?
[01:16] <crimsun> subsystem identifier
[01:16] <DanaG> Oh yeah, another odd thing is that it shows three "USB Audio Interface" devices in hal-device-manager tree, but only one has the sound card subdevice.
[01:17] <crimsun> hal just needs to be taught about it.
[01:17] <DanaG> Even Windows shows it as a USB Composite Device.  Besides that cosmetic issue, the "mutes left channel" is the real issue.
[01:17] <DanaG> I believe PulseAudio is what's doing that.
[01:18] <crimsun> ...
[01:18] <crimsun> why would PA have anything to do with what d-
[01:18] <crimsun> h-d-m exposes?
[01:18] <DanaG> Oh wait, it's not pulseaudio.  Even without PA running, gnome volume control still mutes the left channel.
[01:19] <crimsun> so we need to look at GSt if alsamixer/amixer/aumix work correctly.
[01:19] <DanaG> AAh.  Console alsamixer works correctly.
[01:42] <pwnguin> i do wish liferea had proper mime type handling
[02:03] <romistrub> what's this new sound system being developed?
[02:04] <romistrub> I'm entirely new to the linux community (first week) and my friend (who intro'd me) told me about this new sound system
[02:25] <DarkMageZ> romistrub, possibly pulseaudio.
[02:28]  * DanaG uses PulseAudio.
[02:28] <DanaG> It can do wonderful things, but it also can cause evil bugs in poorly-coded apps.
[02:29] <DanaG> For example, one time PulseAudio crashed, and the next time Pidgin went to play a sound, it sat there eating up my memory until it was taking 80% of (RAM + SWAP).
[02:30] <DarkMageZ> hehe, pidgin = poorly coded app =D
[02:49] <DarkMageZ> is there a way to stop this new xorg from ignoring /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[05:33] <DanaG> 2+2 = ....buzz..buzz..buzz... 10.     In base 4, I'm fine.
[05:34] <DanaG> s/=/is/
[06:45] <DanaG> Hmm, I just discovered ANOTHER thing about PulseAudio:
[06:45] <DanaG> It uses the "PCM" slider of my Audigy, not the "Front", so I can't upmix.
[07:08] <DanaG> PulseAudio also won't automatically use surround on my Audigy2.
[07:08] <Hobbsee> your sound setup sounds terrible.
[07:08] <Hobbsee> crimsun: fix it :)
[07:08] <Hobbsee> crimsun: DanaG's sounds worse than my old frankenstinean laptop, no?
[07:09] <DanaG> No, it actually sounds rather good.
[07:09] <crimsun> it should sound better.  It uses speex's resampler by default.
[07:09] <crimsun> also, I noted the mixer element issue above.
[07:10] <crimsun> it's 2 AM localtime, so I will have to peer more closely later today.
[07:10]  * Hobbsee was meaning level of tempramentalness, not actual sound
[07:11] <DanaG> Oh, and daemon.conf seems to have had all comments removed lately.
[07:11] <DanaG> the .dpkg-old version still has them.
[07:11] <crimsun> um, no.
[07:12] <crimsun> that's very much a local issue for you.
[07:12] <DanaG> Odd.
[07:13] <crimsun> Hobbsee: yes, but [un]fortunately that's not PA's fault.  We can blame ALSA for the overly complex mixer elements enumeration for EMU10Ks.
[07:13] <crimsun> granted now that we've had that for upwards of a half-decade, we have to carry that legacy compatibility...
[07:13] <DanaG> If you need sleep, you should get sleep.
[07:13] <Hobbsee> true
[07:13] <Hobbsee> just don't give up sound, whatever you do
[07:13] <DanaG> It's 11:13 for me (Pacific) so I should go to bed soon, anyway.
[07:14] <Knightlust> hi all, quick question.. i have hardy installed, but i want kde4.. how do i go about that. i tried installing kde4 and kde4-core but aptitude gave me dependency errors and won't install it.
[07:14] <DanaG> That reminds me... I've spotted a few bugs in various packages, but I reeeally need to formally file them.
[07:14] <crimsun> (speaking of KDE 4, I'm quite pleased that it will be an option for 8.04.)
[07:15] <DanaG> ....and not get stuck in an endless cycle of "I'll do it tomorrow".
[07:15] <crimsun> memoserv your primary irc nick.
[07:15] <crimsun> use tomboy or stickies, etc.
[07:16] <Hobbsee> use compiz.
[07:16] <Hobbsee> annotate :)
[07:16] <Hobbsee> far more effective.
[07:16] <DanaG> There's also some "don't forget the milk" site online.
[07:17]  * Hobbsee thinks annotate is far more effective
[07:17] <DanaG> It's not permanent, though.
[07:17] <crimsun> unfortunately compiz requires enabling dri, and simply enabling dri is strongly correlated to a plummet in work productivity by sig11s.
[07:18]  * DanaG uses nvidia.
[07:18] <DanaG> I just hope ATI is better than NVIDIA by the time summer rolls around.
[07:18] <DanaG> Oh, one of the bugs I need to file: that scheduler issue.
[07:18] <crimsun> (my symptom is similar to #175744.)
[07:18] <Hobbsee> DanaG: for every bug you file, you either have to fix one, or triage 2.
[07:19] <DanaG> Hmm, is src-sinc-fastest better than the speex resampler?
[07:19] <crimsun> no
[07:20] <DanaG> I guess I need to either give up folding@home or resign myself to running hot.
[07:20] <DanaG> Even if I 'nice' the folding@home processes, anything else (such as PulseAudio) using CPU will speed it up.  Perhaps I just need to change the thresholds.
[07:20] <crimsun> hmm, or be more precise regarding "better".
[07:21] <DanaG> Better as in audible quality difference.
[07:21] <crimsun> then no, it's most definitely "worse" than the default speex one used.
[07:22] <crimsun> you could also just disable resampling period.
[07:22] <DanaG> I haven't thought about how that'd work.
[07:23] <crimsun> I would definitely disable resampling before burning a hole in my pants.
[07:23] <crimsun> granted, if it came to that, I'd chase down a bug in src:linux.
[07:23] <crimsun> barring that and using laziness, revert to l-i-2.6.22-14-generic
[07:24] <crimsun> ok, time to board the train.
[07:24] <crimsun> ^Ad
[07:24] <DanaG> Huh?
[07:24] <DanaG> Train?
[07:25] <crimsun> ^Wmetro, aka "train"
[07:26] <DanaG> Oh yeah, is there a way to make snd-usb-audio be able to give multiple indexes, but none below a certain number?
[07:27] <crimsun> more precise example?
[07:27] <DanaG> Eeh, perhaps commas will work.
[07:27] <Fjodor> Anecdotal remark of a time long past, but back in the days when 2.6.15 was the supplied kernel (was that the dapper?), my laptop reported a cpu temperature in the high 40's or low 50's. After dist-upgrading, it ran consistently in the high 50's and up to 65-67C...
[07:27] <crimsun> yes, commas would work.
[07:27] <Fjodor> Just apropos "running hot"...
[07:27] <billytwowilly> Is there a way to customize the big black bar at the bottom of kde 4?
[07:27] <crimsun> I recommend using slots=  for snd.ko instead of index=  for snd-*.ko, though.
[07:28] <crimsun> unfortunately that [slots] param isn't in 1.0.15 in 2.6.24
[07:28] <crimsun> you'll need hg or a snap
[07:29] <DanaG> I indent to have onboard be 0, audigy be 1, and anything usb be 2 or above.
[07:29] <DanaG> ...but then again, with PulseAudio, it doesn't matter.
[07:29] <crimsun> right, I wouldn't use plug: for PA
[07:29] <crimsun> just use PA natively
[07:29] <crimsun> (w/ hal)
[07:30] <crimsun> I think I made that comment earlier last night
[07:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, now I remember why I keep them in a certain order: for the Gnome mixer.
[07:31] <crimsun> (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/109439/comments/4)
[07:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109439 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio should use default alsa devices" [Undecided,New]
[07:32] <DanaG> Pulseaudio as default, using default:  bad.  Very bad.  I know -- I've tried it, accidentally.
[07:33] <DanaG> Gaack, that hotplug sound always catches me by surprise. It's actually kind of funny that I haven't learned not to put headphones on until after I've plugged them in.
[07:34] <DanaG> (referring to 'conditioned response', partly.)
[07:34] <crimsun> ok, really 'night.
[07:34] <DanaG> Good nigh.
[07:34] <DanaG> t.
[07:35] <DanaG> Next thing I think I'll do: ditch my Audigy and get a CM106-based USB sound card.
[07:35]  * DanaG redirects his rant to /dev/null
[07:46] <DanaG> Note to self: don't repeatedly eject and insert my Audigy.
[07:55] <Laser88> Hi!
[08:04] <DarkMageZ> anyone know how i can make xorg pat attention to /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[08:07] <scizzo-> DarkMageZ: xorg pat?
[08:07] <DarkMageZ> pay*
[08:08] <DarkMageZ> it appears to be completely ignoring it :(
[08:08] <scizzo-> DarkMageZ: X needs to be restarted for xorg to be reread
[08:08] <DarkMageZ> i rebooted the entire syste
[08:09] <scizzo-> DarkMageZ: well then what is the change you are trying to do?
[08:09] <Laser88> After the reboot are your changes still in the xorg.conf or are they overwritten?
[08:10] <DarkMageZ> still in the xorg.conf
[08:12] <scizzo-> still asking what you are trying to change and what you think should happen?
[08:15] <Laser88> yep, would be interesting
[08:16] <DarkMageZ> i added a resolution.
[08:16] <scizzo-> DarkMageZ: paste the config on pastebin
[08:17] <DarkMageZ> http://pastebin.ca/829576
[08:19] <scizzo-> the "1280x960" ?
[08:19] <Laser88> And you cannot choose it?
[08:20] <DarkMageZ> yeah. the 1280x960. can't pick it. works without the fglrx package
[08:21] <Laser88> What if you uncomment the other resolutions?
[08:22] <DarkMageZ> turn them into comments? shouldn't have to go that far.
[08:23] <Laser88> Shouldn't - but I've heard that it sometimes helps - forces the 1280x960
[08:23] <DarkMageZ> right, i'm gonna give it a shot
[08:24] <Laser88> But you should be able to make this change back without X
[08:24] <pwnguin> finally
[08:24] <pwnguin> my sd card works
[08:24] <DarkMageZ> restarting
[08:24]  * pwnguin does a dance
[08:25] <pwnguin> <(o-o)<
[08:25] <pwnguin> >(o-o)>
[08:25] <pwnguin> \o\
[08:25] <Laser88> The pwnguin-shuffle^^
[08:26] <pwnguin> oh man, if these new xorg updates bring in fixed wacom
[08:26] <pwnguin> im set
[08:27] <pwnguin> they do not =(
[08:27] <DarkMageZ> no change
[09:37] <Laser88> Did anybody already create a new user with HardyHeron?
[09:44] <Laser88> Experienced problems?
[10:24] <DreadKnight>  is anyone using hardy with kde4 allready?
[10:24] <stdin> indeed :)
[10:24] <bazhang> hehe
[10:28] <DreadKnight> how do i upgrade? is it enough to add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy main" to the 3rd party repo and update?
[10:28] <stdin> don't mix gutsy and hardy
[10:29] <stdin> if you want to upgrade just replace gutsy with hardy (and may god have mercy on you)
[10:29] <DreadKnight> in the sources.list file?
[10:29] <cj_> perl -p -i -e s/gutsy/hardy/g /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:29] <pvandewyngaerde> if you want to spend your hollidays   fixing your system
[10:30] <DreadKnight> hehe
[10:31] <stdin> "sed -i 's/gutsy/hardy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list" is a shorter command
[10:31] <pvandewyngaerde> what is the last g for ?
[10:31] <stdin> without 'g' it would stop after the 1st instance/replace
[10:35] <cj_> stdin: thats non POSIX :o
[10:35] <stdin> it's how sed works, blame GNU
[10:36] <cj_> indeed. real sed is a lot less forgiving
[10:47] <MaximLevitsky> One question, I updated the system to hardy, and notice that all gtk application use some default and not-good theme. How can I fix this, or is this a bug?
[10:49] <MaximLevitsky> I used feisty before, then updated to gutsy, used it for a day, and then updated to hardy. Usially I "update" the system by reinstalling newer version, and this is why I used so outdated version. But now I dicovered that updates aren't bad at all, and now I am back using beta-version of ubuntu
[10:50] <MaximLevitsky> Mostly this is the only problem I have
[10:50] <MaximLevitsky> I use kubuntu
[10:51] <pvandewyngaerde> FF3 is ugly here, also gtk related i think
[10:51] <pvandewyngaerde> also kubuntu
[10:53] <MaximLevitsky> I have all gtk applications ugly: large fonts, square window98 like buttons, etc
[10:53] <MaximLevitsky> I meant square widgets
[10:54] <MaximLevitsky> I need to know whenever this is a config-related issue, or a real bug that I will report
[10:54] <MaximLevitsky> Before the update all applications, but vmware-server did look right
[10:55] <MaximLevitsky> After update to gutsy I got vmware looking right, but few alpplications got ugly
[10:55] <MaximLevitsky> Now all are ugly
[11:21] <travkin> Hello guys.
[11:21] <travkin> I have problem.
[11:21] <travkin> GTK themes doesnt working, Firefox/Gajim/Pidgin are ugly.
[11:21] <travkin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=648099
[11:21] <travkin> how to fix this ?
[11:21] <MaximLevitsky> Same here
[11:22] <travkin> :(
[11:22] <travkin> any ideas ?
[11:23] <MaximLevitsky> Don't have any ideas  :-(
[11:24] <MaximLevitsky> But since you have same issue, this is prbably a bug
[11:24] <travkin> Where can i report about this ?
[11:25] <MaximLevitsky> Launchpad ?
[11:31] <MaximLevitsky> You can report bug on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[11:31] <MaximLevitsky> I probably report it there if you don't wat to do so
[11:35] <travkin> and also java doesn't work
[11:40] <MaximLevitsky> Yep
[11:40] <MaximLevitsky> "java: xcb_xlib.c:82: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed."
[11:42] <MaximLevitsky> Java doesn't work here too
[11:42] <MaximLevitsky> "java: xcb_xlib.c:82: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed."
[11:45] <travkin> MaximLevitsky: how to fix ? :(
[11:45] <MaximLevitsky> Don't know :-)
[13:34] <hit> how do i see if i have alpha 1 or 2 installed?
[13:36] <DarkMageZ> hit, kernel version. .22 is alpha 1 .24 is alpha 2
[13:36] <DarkMageZ> tho you can just run the updater on alpha 1 to reach alpha 2
[13:37] <hit> alpha 2 then already, thanks
[13:43] <hit> DarkMageZ, any changelog or somthing about what's fixed/added in alpha 2?
[13:43] <hit> +e
[13:44] <DarkMageZ> hit, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha2 is all i can think of atm.
[13:44] <DarkMageZ> tho there's probably more =D
[13:45] <hit> i'm curious about those screen freezes i've had here with alpha 1
[13:46] <hit> so far haven't had any with 2, so maybe it's fixed somehow
[13:50] <optx>  hi can somebody give me a link how to fix the 'running local boot script' on hardy please ?
[13:51] <optx> when i google i just get fixes for 7.10 ???
[13:52] <hit> roar
[13:52] <hit> another freeze
[13:52] <hit> ctrl alt backsp won't even work
[13:53] <DarkMageZ> hit, i haven't experienced any freezing. probably a driver issue.
[13:54] <optx> no help 4 this prob ?
[13:54] <hit> ati drivers
[13:54] <hit> not official
[13:55] <DarkMageZ> hit, refering to fglrx or ati 6.7.197?
[13:55] <hit> ati
[13:55] <hit> fglrx was even worse
[13:56] <DarkMageZ> i'm running ubuntu's ati (xorg) driver. stable. chipset version with driver issue i would guess.
[13:57] <DarkMageZ> what ati chipset? rv200/300/410
[13:57] <optx> so what can i do to get hardy working ?
[13:57] <hit> 9550
[13:58] <DarkMageZ> hit, lspci | grep ati
[13:58] <hit> RV350?
[13:59] <DarkMageZ> ah. same as my card (probably a different clock rate and stuff)
[13:59] <hit> ah and i have 6.7.196
[13:59] <hit> as synaptic says
[14:00] <DarkMageZ> yeah. there's no changes in upstream's code that directly references our chipset as unstable. are you sure it's not a hardware issue.
[14:01] <hit> i.e gaming in windows is fine
[14:02] <hit> can't be hw problem i think
[14:02] <DarkMageZ> gaming is a good test. was a previous ubuntu/linux fine?
[14:03] <hit> again
[14:03] <optx> nobody here to help me ?
[14:03] <hit> very often happens when using firefox
[14:04] <DarkMageZ> optx, i have nfi about your problem :p
[14:04] <DarkMageZ> hit, gaming is a good test. was a previous ubuntu/linux fine? have you applied some tweaks to your xorg conf or something?
[14:04] <optx> DarkMageZ:  u got hardy running ?
[14:05] <hit> didn't have any problems with gutsy and xorg conf should be quite default
[14:05] <DarkMageZ> optx, yeah. it's stable here.
[14:05] <hit> conf is quite small also imo..
[14:06] <optx> hmm k gonna check a other release ..
[14:06] <optx> couldnt even boot the 64bit one :(
[14:06] <DarkMageZ> hit, i'm out of ideas. maybe poke the guys in #radeon or #xorg. get some debugging happening =D
[14:06] <hit> DarkMageZ, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49415/
[14:09] <DarkMageZ> hit, you might also want to apply this to your xorg.conf
[14:09] <DarkMageZ> Section "ServerFlags"
[14:09] <DarkMageZ>         Option "NoTrapSignals" "true"
[14:09] <DarkMageZ> EndSection
[14:09] <hit> which is...?
[14:10] <DarkMageZ> it disables xorg's own debug handling and will properly crash (so the ubuntu crash handler can do it's work)
[14:10] <hit> sounds good
[14:10] <DarkMageZ> which reminds me to do it to my own xorg.conf ?
[14:13] <DarkMageZ> hit, please do attempt to get this debugged. i'd hate to see yet another bug like that slip into yet another release.
[14:14] <DarkMageZ> anyways. i'm out. it's 1:13am here =D
[14:14] <hit> 4:14pm :p
[14:14] <hit> i've searched ubuntuforums and there are some threads about the same issue
[14:15] <hit> some of them had found fixes to it, but they're not working for me
[14:15] <DarkMageZ> yeah, it's not good for them to hack around the problem. i believe these things shouldn't happen (if possible) in the first place.
[14:16] <DarkMageZ> especially with a critical component such as xorg
[14:17] <DarkMageZ> hit,  yeah, it's not good for them to hack around the problem. i believe these things shouldn't happen (if possible) in the first place. especially with a critical component such as xorg.
[14:18] <hit> yep
[14:18] <DarkMageZ> anyways, i'm out. laters. good luck.
[14:29] <DreadKnight> hey, the PPA kde4 repository from launchad is 'better'  than the packages from kubuntu 7.10/8.04?
[14:30] <DreadKnight> i mean better as in "more updated" :\
[17:22] <DreadKnight> i got kubuntu hardy, i want to install kde4, but seems the packages from ppa are broken (dependencies issues)
[17:23] <DreadKnight> can anyone give me some tips on how to install kde4? :|
[17:38] <Artimus> I've got the Kubuntu Hardy Alpha 2 ISO booted in a VM with a blank partition table.  I can click ok to make a partition table, but there's no option to create partitions...  Am I missing a step here, or is it head-to-launchpad time?
[18:06] <Mohero> Hi all
[18:32] <JohnFlux> Anyone know what's with the kubuntu LTS being dropped at the last moment?
[18:32] <JohnFlux> The next Kubuntu LTS seems to have been pushed back to 2010
[18:36] <Dr_willis> I would guess they  wanted to play it safe? :)
[18:36] <Dr_willis> Linux is growing/evoloving so fast lately.. its scary
[18:44] <Tomcat_> Who cares... it's necessary to have LTS versions. : )
[18:46] <conn> hi, does anyone notice very sluggish gtk menu speed? For example, click on the "Applications" menu and navigate to "Places" and "System"; it's very sluggish on my systems. Gutsy didn't have this problem
[19:04] <nixternal> anyone have issues when using the restricted ati driver (fglrx)? i just selected it in the restricted driver manager and now I don't get anything, just a blank screen
[19:06] <DanaG> It might be the new CFS scheduler in 2.6.24.
[19:06] <crdlb> it might also be the new fglrx :)
[19:06] <DanaG> I've noticed sluggishness on my system, too.
[19:13] <Artimus> nixternal: I had to break down and install it manually on a friend's box
[19:14] <Artimus> Oh, wait, wrong channel.  I had to manually install it in Gutsy...
[19:14] <Artimus> No way would I put Hardy on someone else's box.
[19:14] <travkin> Hello guys.
[19:14] <Artimus> Also, who's idea was it to make it another "H" release?  I keep calling it Hoary
[19:14] <travkin> GTK+ themes doesn't work under KDE
[19:14] <travkin> i get the rather ugly default unthemed GTK+ look
[19:15] <travkin> in all GTK applications
[19:15] <travkin> what to do?
[19:15] <travkin> i tried to choose theme in gtk-qt config page
[19:15] <travkin> in system-settings
[19:15] <travkin> but its doesnt work
[19:15] <travkin> tried to add a new user, but i got same results.
[19:26] <DanaG> Gaack, my fonts are all color-fringey!
[19:27] <Artimus> Yes, and the fonts look horrible at 800x600 :P
[19:29] <DanaG> What happened to my legacy lcdfilter?
[19:30] <DanaG> Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/100-legacy-subpixel.conf", line 5: invalid constant used : legacy
[19:33] <DanaG> Aieee, it's all cleartype-ey!
[19:57] <Artimus> kcontrol is broken in Hardy...  I miss it :(     (I'm not a fan systemsettings, this will be fixed before the day is over...)
[20:28] <WorkingOnWis1> are the repos down right now?
[21:13] <rb2k> did the gpg keys for the hardy packages change?
[21:13] <Dr_willis> WorkingOnWis1,  ive heard a few others ask that as well.. I wonder if some of the servers may be down. theres not a lot of people asking.
[21:13] <rb2k> I get errors when trying to upgrad to hardy
[21:13] <rb2k> (from 7.10)
[21:20] <DanaG> Sometime servers can be flaky, and sometimes there can be dependency conflicts.
[21:21] <rb2k> but with the standard upgrad procedure too?!
[21:21] <DanaG> I usually use Aptitude for nearly everything.
[21:21] <DanaG> What kind of errors are you getting?  (describe, don't paste.)
[21:22] <rb2k> uhm... approximately something like "Can't verify those packets:   *insert all the packets here*  "
[21:22] <DanaG> Aah, try re-updating package lists.
[21:22] <DanaG> That usually happens if a connection dies during a package-list update.
[21:22] <rb2k> nope, tried several times :)
[21:22] <rb2k> including apt-get updates in between
[21:23] <DanaG> aah.
[21:23] <rb2k> no MD5/SHA1 errors
[21:23] <rb2k> simply signing errors afaik
[21:23] <DanaG> Hmm.
[22:44] <DanaG> Gaack, and I can't find the CD drive in Wine apps.
[23:29] <tumbleweed__> DanaG : you have to add the cd drive manually in winecfg
[23:30] <DanaG> I did, but the next time I open winecfg, it's not there.
[23:31] <tumbleweed__> huh
[23:36] <DanaG> And the "d::" symlink is still there in ~/.wine/dosdevices