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troy_s<rainwalker> is there a set release when hardy's new theme will be used?00:01
troy_sNo.  Ultimately it must pass up the channels and be decided upon.00:01
troy_s<rainwalker> who actually decides what theme to use? does the design team have a vote or something?00:01
troy_sUltimately?  That would be sabdfl (Mark Shuttleworth).00:02
troy_sVote?  No.00:02
rainwalkerMark makes the final decision? I didn't know that00:02
trosephSelf-Appointed Benevolent Dictator for Life. Nice.00:05
tretlehey01:31
troy_stretle: Ho.01:34
tretletill a big debate over the new theme?01:35
tretletill - still01:35
troy_stretle: Not really.01:35
troy_stretle: The pointless discussion comes out of a lack of a clearly stated audience, concept, etc.01:35
troy_stretle: It is a complete cyclical waste of time up to that point.01:35
tretlelol01:36
tretleWhat about that mockup then... the very brown one that makes use of compositing by the looks of it01:36
tretlewould it even be sane to think that a theme like that could be implemented in time for hardys release01:37
tretlewhen breakthroughs in compositing with themes are only really just happening now01:38
troy_stretle: Spot on.01:39
BHSPitMonkeyI don't think sabdfl has a history of wanting to push the envelope, visually01:39
DanaGRight now I'm using this:  http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/jellyfish?content=69939  (the Aurora variant).  I miss orange, but that theme doesn't work in orange.01:39
troy_stretle: Not to mention questioning the validity of the rather lacking 'concept' and other minor details such as icon set pairing, font, etc.01:39
BHSPitMonkeythough I do remember hearing that hardy was going to be a major step01:39
troy_sBHSPitMonkey: 100% correct.  The only 'major step' has been a push from Ken (Wimer).  Whether that happens is a whole other question.01:40
tretlehopefully01:41
troy_sDanaG: I would argue that from the standpoint of someone completely unfamiliar with Ubuntu there is little difference between that and whatever else GTK is already in place.01:41
BHSPitMonkeyI get the feeling that the visual presentation is going to be similar to how it's always been for a long, long time01:41
troy_stretle: Doubtful if I look to history and experience... but we shall see.01:41
troy_sBHSPitMonkey: Yes.  Ultimately it is a byproduct of sabdfl's taste (yikes) and that will always be the case until he choses to either mature or bet on risk.01:42
BHSPitMonkeyI don't think it's his taste01:42
troy_sBHSPitMonkey: I do.  He has zero clue.01:43
tretlewell wasnt there an update a few hours ago with the compositing hack included but switched off for default01:43
BHSPitMonkeyI think it's him being conservative01:43
BHSPitMonkeyand willfully keeping things simple01:43
BHSPitMonkeyread: boring01:43
DanaGI tried the compositing Metacity, and boy are those grey rectangles on alt-tab ugly.01:44
BHSPitMonkeynot wanting to risk doing something to throw off the growth of the software01:44
DanaGIf they'd keep the regular alt-tab behavior, that'd be better.01:44
troy_sBHSPitMonkey: He is indeed conservative.  And worse, it appears he bases his creative knowledge on 'what the other kid is doing'.  Look no further than bug 1.01:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101:44
BHSPitMonkeywhich, frankly, I don't understand;  Ubuntu already gets picked on left and right for its appearance (from morons, albeit, but still)01:44
troy_sBHSPitMonkey: He is a genius in many respects and I completely am envious of his mind and abilities.  Innovation and creativity however, I'd suggest he is lacking both formal knowledge and the ability to risk.01:45
troy_sBHSPitMonkey: Perhaps ultimately it is all about a level of 'care'.  Steve Jobs cares about the fine arts.  Shuttleworth seems rather agnostic.01:46
troy_sBHSPitMonkey: And the results show.01:46
tretleso do u all think the theme will stay unchanged?01:54
troy_stretle: If I were betting in Las Vegas, I would bet against change, yes.01:59
BHSPitMonkeyyeah02:04
BHSPitMonkeythose tech industry bookies are hard to come by though02:04
tretlelol02:06
troy_sBHSPitMonkey: You clever bugger.02:43
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