 is there a set release when hardy's new theme will be used?
[00:01] <troy_s> No.  Ultimately it must pass up the channels and be decided upon.
 who actually decides what theme to use? does the design team have a vote or something?
[00:02] <troy_s> Ultimately?  That would be sabdfl (Mark Shuttleworth).
[00:02] <troy_s> Vote?  No.
[00:02] <rainwalker> Mark makes the final decision? I didn't know that
[00:05] <troseph> Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator for Life. Nice.
[01:31] <tretle> hey
[01:34] <troy_s> tretle: Ho.
[01:35] <tretle> till a big debate over the new theme?
[01:35] <tretle> till - still
[01:35] <troy_s> tretle: Not really.
[01:35] <troy_s> tretle: The pointless discussion comes out of a lack of a clearly stated audience, concept, etc.
[01:35] <troy_s> tretle: It is a complete cyclical waste of time up to that point.
[01:36] <tretle> lol
[01:36] <tretle> What about that mockup then... the very brown one that makes use of compositing by the looks of it
[01:37] <tretle> would it even be sane to think that a theme like that could be implemented in time for hardys release
[01:38] <tretle> when breakthroughs in compositing with themes are only really just happening now
[01:39] <troy_s> tretle: Spot on.
[01:39] <BHSPitMonkey> I don't think sabdfl has a history of wanting to push the envelope, visually
[01:39] <DanaG> Right now I'm using this:  http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/jellyfish?content=69939  (the Aurora variant).  I miss orange, but that theme doesn't work in orange.
[01:39] <troy_s> tretle: Not to mention questioning the validity of the rather lacking 'concept' and other minor details such as icon set pairing, font, etc.
[01:39] <BHSPitMonkey> though I do remember hearing that hardy was going to be a major step
[01:40] <troy_s> BHSPitMonkey: 100% correct.  The only 'major step' has been a push from Ken (Wimer).  Whether that happens is a whole other question.
[01:41] <tretle> hopefully
[01:41] <troy_s> DanaG: I would argue that from the standpoint of someone completely unfamiliar with Ubuntu there is little difference between that and whatever else GTK is already in place.
[01:41] <BHSPitMonkey> I get the feeling that the visual presentation is going to be similar to how it's always been for a long, long time
[01:41] <troy_s> tretle: Doubtful if I look to history and experience... but we shall see.
[01:42] <troy_s> BHSPitMonkey: Yes.  Ultimately it is a byproduct of sabdfl's taste (yikes) and that will always be the case until he choses to either mature or bet on risk.
[01:42] <BHSPitMonkey> I don't think it's his taste
[01:43] <troy_s> BHSPitMonkey: I do.  He has zero clue.
[01:43] <tretle> well wasnt there an update a few hours ago with the compositing hack included but switched off for default
[01:43] <BHSPitMonkey> I think it's him being conservative
[01:43] <BHSPitMonkey> and willfully keeping things simple
[01:43] <BHSPitMonkey> read: boring
[01:44] <DanaG> I tried the compositing Metacity, and boy are those grey rectangles on alt-tab ugly.
[01:44] <BHSPitMonkey> not wanting to risk doing something to throw off the growth of the software
[01:44] <DanaG> If they'd keep the regular alt-tab behavior, that'd be better.
[01:44] <troy_s> BHSPitMonkey: He is indeed conservative.  And worse, it appears he bases his creative knowledge on 'what the other kid is doing'.  Look no further than bug 1.
[01:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[01:44] <BHSPitMonkey> which, frankly, I don't understand;  Ubuntu already gets picked on left and right for its appearance (from morons, albeit, but still)
[01:45] <troy_s> BHSPitMonkey: He is a genius in many respects and I completely am envious of his mind and abilities.  Innovation and creativity however, I'd suggest he is lacking both formal knowledge and the ability to risk.
[01:46] <troy_s> BHSPitMonkey: Perhaps ultimately it is all about a level of 'care'.  Steve Jobs cares about the fine arts.  Shuttleworth seems rather agnostic.
[01:46] <troy_s> BHSPitMonkey: And the results show.
[01:54] <tretle> so do u all think the theme will stay unchanged?
[01:59] <troy_s> tretle: If I were betting in Las Vegas, I would bet against change, yes.
[02:04] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah
[02:04] <BHSPitMonkey> those tech industry bookies are hard to come by though
[02:06] <tretle> lol
[02:43] <troy_s> BHSPitMonkey: You clever bugger.
[13:00] <picard_pwns_kirk> good morning