[12:41] <svg> Hi Folks - I'm looking for some opinions on the sizing of an edubuntu server - anyone around on this?
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> !ask
[12:41] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[12:42] <svg> Kamping_Kaiser: I know, just not if this is the proper channel
[12:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont see why it wouldnt be ;)
[12:43] <svg> well, I guess I went around too much channels with bofh style people :)
[12:43] <svg> anyway, need to make an offer for an edubuntu server project - school with classroom of about 30 clients, for a total of maybe 200 user accounts
[12:44] <svg> with possible growth to a second 30 clients classroom
[12:45] <svg> my take, I'll need lots of RAM, not sure if going 64bit is a good idea, as tis server is "desktop oriented" and students might want to use flash and other stuff
[12:45] <svg> not sure if SCSI is a must, not sur how to size processors
[12:46] <svg> as far as I'm told, pupils will use pretty much only the default edubuntu installed software
[12:46] <svg> firefox being the most important app
[12:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> imho you want to over engineer it if your budget allows.
[12:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> with 30 concurernt users, probably 4-8gb of ram would be desired. if flash is involved that number could go up (no idea, we dont allow flash where i am)
[12:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, much flash
[12:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> someone else can probably comment on flash support under 64 bit, but it would be ideal to use 64 bit cpus. probably 2 (a dual core would do i expect)
[12:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> scsi isnt a 'must', but if theres lots of disc work, its a 'nice'
[12:49] <stgraber> according to the handbook, RAM should be : 256+(60*x), I'd personally go with : 512+(60*x)
[12:49] <stgraber> so 4gb should do it
[12:50] <stgraber> dual-CPU is also a good idea especially bi dual-core CPU (so 4 virtual CPUs), 64bit is fine but will need some hack to have firefox running correctly (nspluginwrapper)
[12:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, dual dual core is 4 physical cores. nothing virtual about them.
[12:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> !flash
[12:52] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[12:52] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[12:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> waho. double entry?
[12:58] <svg> ok, thanks for that, this confirms my own general first idea
[12:58] <svg> I'll definitely wil go to multicore
[12:59] <svg> actually, I'm using Intl serevrs with quad cores already
[13:01] <svg> fyi, i was told also to look here, which looks quite complete: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
[13:05] <svg> 64bit sounds like a big plus, and flash seems apt-get-eable since gutsy
[13:38] <ericb2> hello
[13:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> morning
[13:39] <ericb2> FYI, I do represent OpenOffice.org project, Education projet exactly
[13:40] <ericb2> and I wanted to say we'll add your project on our mainsite
[13:40] <ericb2> http://education.openoffice.org/gen_index.html
[13:40] <YoP_YoP> bijour
[13:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ericb2, not sure who to talk to about that
[13:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> riched, when hes around i guess
[13:43] <ericb2> Kamping_Kaiser: ok, thank a lot.  Anyway, we'll keep a link for edubuntu on our site
[13:44] <ericb2> Kamping_Kaiser: the current website is old and crappy, but we are working for a new one
[13:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ericb2, hope it helps :)
[13:45]  * Kamping_Kaiser is only slightly involved in this project, so cant really talk for it
[13:45] <ericb2> Kamping_Kaiser: no problem. I'll be back soon here.
[13:46]  * ericb2 wishes a Merry Christmas and a Happy new Year to all of you . Bye :-)
[13:46] <ericb2> bye
[13:46] <YoP_YoP> bye :)
[14:30] <paolob-parroquia> hi ogra! Could you tell me if I can use two nics with two groups of clients with the same edubuntu server?
[14:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm not ogra, but i dont see why not
[14:59] <pygi> hello folks
[15:00] <pygi> how ya all doing? :)
[15:18] <das-t_> kind of relaxed and well ;-)
[15:20] <pygi> nice :)
[15:26] <das-t_> hope you are too ;-)
[15:28] <pygi> ofcourse, just a bit busy :)
[16:37] <svg> hi all - if i'm running 64bit edubuntu server - what's the consequences on the clients? can i mix 32 bit clients with 64 bit clients? do the 32bit clients benefit?
[16:43] <johnny_> hell.. 64bit clients hardly benefit
[16:43] <johnny_> the concensus so far is that nobody benefits
[16:44] <johnny_> it just turns out to be more hassle than its' worth to use 64bit mode at all for desktop apps on linux
[16:58] <johnny_> or windows for that matter really ..