[00:00] <Schuenemann> NickPresta, it's obvious that it won't improve it, I want to know if it will be worse than the source...
[00:00] <nosredna_ekim> hey everyone! its Jonathon Riddell's Birthday! everyone go over to #kubuntu-devel and wish him a happy birthday
[00:01] <A|i3N8> ok cool cause i can't find it Nosredna
[00:01] <alwrwr2003> hi all
[00:02] <nosredna_ekim> A|i3N8: http://digitalife.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/using-your-mobile-phone-as-a-gprs-modem-with-ubuntu-linux-via-dku-2-usb-cable/
[00:03] <alwrwr2003> guys how can i run compiz? i've installed all the packages but when i run it it said i have to install compiz-gnome-manager but i got a "break install" note when i request to install it.
[00:03] <Hirvinen> !compiz | alwrwr2003
[00:03] <ubotu> alwrwr2003: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[00:04] <nosredna_ekim> A|i3N8: http://microdotsagamedev.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/usb-mobile-phone-modem-under-linux/
[00:04] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Here is a better spot: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/
[00:05] <A|i3N8> Whoa THANK YOU noredna
[00:05] <A|i3N8> nosredna
[00:05] <A|i3N8> hehe
[00:05] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: And now... download and install?
[00:05] <noaXess> how can is see, what type my integrated webcam is? lsusb normally?
[00:05] <A|i3N8> wish i had a printer. lol. Can I save that as text and pull it up in kubuntu??
[00:05] <noaXess> !webcam
[00:05] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[00:06] <A|i3N8> or do i gotta somehow mount the partition which I've forgotten how to do lol
[00:06] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Yes, but keep the page open as you may need to download some more files
[00:06] <basy> Hi can anybody help, all my X-browsers: Firefox, Konqueror, Opera, Galeon freeze downloading of some pages (www.ubunto.com), but text based like w3m and links are ok...
[00:07] <NeoFax> noaXess: lsusb or lspci
[00:07] <nosredna_ekim> A|i3N8: no... you can't mount that partition with vista
[00:07] <NeoFax> basy: Try starting one of them from the CLI to see exactly what your error is.
[00:07] <A|i3N8> so um.. how um.. can i like, .. yea... get the txt file onto linux? lol
[00:08] <nosredna_ekim> A|i3N8: you can probably save it on vista a putll it up with kubuntu though. probably easiest just to write down the essential instructions.
[00:08] <A|i3N8> that's what i jeant lol
[00:08] <A|i3N8> meant
[00:08] <A|i3N8> yea true.
[00:08] <A|i3N8> i'll try to retrieve it first i guess. hehe. Thanks :) Be back to let you know if I got it working
[00:09] <basy> how to strat it throu CLI? plz
[00:09] <basy> from terminal?
[00:09] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: I am sorry... I do not know about apt... was is udep?
[00:09] <sourcemaker> NeoFax:  what is
[00:10] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: That is the deb files that the installer uses to install the kernel.
[00:10] <NeoFax> This is probably the one you want: linux-image-2.6.24-2-generic_2.6.24-2.4_i386.deb
[00:12] <alwrwr2003> guys when ever i try to install compiz it shows me a msg that says Broken Packages!
[00:12] <alwrwr2003> what can i do
[00:13] <NeoFax> alwrwr2003: sudo aptitude install -f
[00:13] <Dr_willis> then apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, then try again..
[00:14] <alwrwr2003> thx Neo i will try
[00:14] <NeoFax> Dr_willis: You shouldn't have to do the update and upgrade.  It should fix itself
[00:14] <Dr_willis> Should.. :)
[00:15] <alwrwr2003> doesn't work :(
[00:15] <alwrwr2003> it shows me this msg
[00:15] <alwrwr2003> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[00:15] <alwrwr2003>   emerald: Depends: libemeraldengine0 but it is not going to be installed
[00:15] <alwrwr2003>            Depends: libwnck18 (>= 2.15.90) but it is not installable
[00:15] <alwrwr2003> E: Broken packages
[00:16] <NeoFax> OK, then sudo aptitude remove emerald and wait for libwnck18 to be put in the repos
[00:16] <basy> Hi, all my X-browsers (Firefox, Konqueror, Opera, Galeon) freeze downloading of lots of pages (www.ubuntu.com), and never display full page, but text based browsers works OK, check, plz: http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict0006tf9.jpg
[00:16] <alwrwr2003> thx man i will try
[00:16] <NeoFax> basy: Did you run one from the CLI like I said before to see the error?
 how can i run it from CLI, what does it mean plz?
[00:17] <alwrwr2003> i found libwnck22 installed
[00:17] <alwrwr2003> what should i do next?
[00:18] <NeoFax> alwrwr2003: sudo aptitude remove libwnck22
[00:18] <killer_> I was told that gutsy had write access to NTFS upon install, but dolphin does not mount the NTFS partition.. any help?
[00:18] <alwrwr2003> removed
[00:19] <alwrwr2003> it ask me to remove compiz and compiz-gnome
[00:19] <alwrwr2003> should i do so?
 i tried this strace konqueror
[00:20] <noaXess> !mouse
[00:20] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[00:20] <killer_> hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[00:20] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: which package is required for the firmware? I have installed linux-image-2.6.24-2-generic_2.6.24-2.4_i386.deb => /lib/firmware/2.6.24-2-generic: not found
[00:20] <NeoFax> alwrwr2003: Yes.  Then install emerald first then install compiz
[00:20] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Use the modules deb
[00:21] <alwrwr2003> ok thx Neo
[00:21] <NeoFax> basy: What was the error?
[00:21] <noaXess> !logitech
[00:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about logitech - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:21] <noaXess> !mx700
[00:21] <fulat2k> hi folks, what's the easiest way to encode xvid/divx files to psp format?  i've tried mencoder, but doesn't seem to be working.
[00:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mx700 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:21] <killer_> !anything
[00:21] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[00:22] <killer_> cool.. they were thinking :)
; and when it feezes there was infinity loop of: select(22, [3 4 5 7 9 12 13 14 15 16 18 19 20 21], [], [], {0, 49505}) = 0 (Timeout)
 but half of page is ok, can you check: http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict0006tf9.jpg
[00:24] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: There are a lot of modules...
[00:24] <NeoFax> fulat2k: http://pspvc.sourceforge.net/
 sorry, i'll wait until you help sourcemaker
[00:26] <killer_> in System Settings->Disk&Filesystems  when I click Administrator Mode, I never get administrator mode.. it just goes back to non-admin
[00:26] <dreamcoder> hello
[00:27] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Try: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/
[00:28] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Thank's I will try
[00:28] <NeoFax> basy: I can't help out with strace.  Try doing what I said and open konsole and type firefox > firefox-error.txt &  When it crashes, upload the text file to pastebin
[00:28] <alwrwr2003> Neo i tried to install emerald but i got this msg
[00:28] <alwrwr2003> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[00:28] <alwrwr2003>   emerald: Depends: libemeraldengine0 but it is not going to be installed
[00:28] <alwrwr2003>            Depends: libwnck18 (>= 2.15.90) but it is not installable
[00:28] <alwrwr2003> E: Broken packages
[00:29] <alwrwr2003> i've already installed libwnck22
[00:29] <NeoFax> alwrwr2003: Where are you getting emerald from?
[00:29] <alwrwr2003> i just write the command in the terminal sudo apt-get install emerald
[00:29] <NeoFax> alwrwr2003: Please post your /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin
[00:29] <dreamcoder> meryy xmas to everyone! ho ho ho lol
[00:30] <alwrwr2003> sry but what is pastebin?
[00:30] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: It seems to be working...
 ok i'm doing thanx
[00:30] <NeoFax> alwrwr2003: http://pastebin.com/
[00:31] <mygoto> hello
[00:31] <NeoFax> alwrwr2003: You copy and paste your sources.list there.  It will then spit out a webpage.  Copy the URL and paste here.
[00:32] <killer_> how do I make hald obey users above 1000 UID?
[00:32] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Thanks for helping me .... I rebooting my system now
[00:32] <alwrwr2003> http://pastebin.com/m749480d4
[00:33] <NeoFax> killer_: To mount ntfs do sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -L label-for-your-drive-here /media/directory-you-make
[00:33] <alwrwr2003> this is the url
[00:33] <someon1> does anyone know of a software that will allow me to extract numerical data from a graph?
[00:34] <Alchera> g'day receiving (again) this message when i run  ksystemlog >> You do not have sufficient permissions to read '/var/log/syslog' also same with kernel.log
[00:34] <mygoto> anyone try kde4?
[00:34] <Schuenemann> someon1, what kind of graph?
[00:34] <someon1> a 2-d image -- pdf, jpeg, whatever
[00:34] <someon1> I've seen something for Mac OSX (that isnt freeware) while will do exactly this
[00:34] <Schuenemann> huh... I don't think that's possible... or easy
[00:34] <killer_> NeoFax: I'd like to click the /media directory and have it mounted as it is advertised
[00:35] <someon1> you import the image, tell the program what the axis are, and then click on points on the plot
[00:36] <killer_> NeoFax: when I click "system menu" icon next to the K{gear},then click Storage Media the NTFS is already on the list
[00:37] <NeoFax> alwrwr2003: Comment out the download.tuxfamily line as you are mixing feisty with gutsy and I would comment out the CD line as well.  Then try installing emerald
[00:37] <alwrwr2003> ok
 i tried ( konqueror > kon.log & ) but kon.log was empty, same with firefox :(
[00:38] <NeoFax> killer_: That is not mounting the system, nor is it write capable as far as I know.  Also, to have the drive to automount you would need to put it into your /etc/fstab file
[00:38] <NeoFax> basy: Try checking out your ~/.xsession-errors file.  Also, is this website flash driven?
[00:39] <killer_> NeoFax: I put it in the fstab, then when I click it in /media  I got an error about something died unexpectedly
[00:39] <killer_> NeoFax: also tried to configure it w/ "sudo systemsettings"
[00:39] <killer_> NeoFax: that did not work either
[00:40] <NeoFax> killer_: try doing sudo mount -a and see what error you get.
[00:41] <alwrwr2003> ok emerald has been installed !! thank u very much Neo ! should i now install compiz??
[00:41] <NeoFax> alwrwr2003: Yes
[00:42] <alwrwr2003> ok
[00:42] <killer_> NeoFax: I know I can subvert the kubuntu mounting/system administration and manually get the partition mounted
[00:42] <killer_> NeoFax: my intent is to learn how to teach people over the phone to get past these everyday hurdles
[00:43] <NeoFax> killer_: The point is to get the error.  and rule out mount then solve what the error is.  It just may not be a hal problem
[00:43] <killer_> NeoFax: currently I just ssh into their box and fix things.. but they should be able to fix their own issues
[00:44] <killer_> NeoFax: ok.. try that soon then.. I'm currently googling howto manage hald-storage
[00:45] <johey> Why is freemind not in Gutsy's repository? Do I need to install it manually?
[00:45] <johey> If I remember correctly, freemind was in Feisty's main repo.
[00:45] <alwrwr2003> neo i've installed all the compiz packages
[00:45] <alwrwr2003> how can i run it now?
[00:46] <NeoFax> alwrwr2003: Are you in KDE?
[00:46] <alwrwr2003> yes
[00:46] <killer_> !blkid.tab
[00:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blkid.tab - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:46] <NeoFax> alwrwr2003: compiz --replace & then emerald --replace &
[00:46] <killer_> figures
[00:47] <alwrwr2003> i got this msg when i type compiz --replace
[00:47] <alwrwr2003> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[00:47] <alwrwr2003> No whitelisted driver found
[00:47] <alwrwr2003> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[00:47] <alwrwr2003> no /usr/bin/metacity found, exiting
[00:48] <jaylc185> Is there a KDE development environment in kubuntu like there is in knoppix?
[00:48] <basy> I got a lot of => ASSERT: "!icon.isEmpty()" in /build/buildd/kdebase-3.5.8/./libkonq/konq_pixmapprovider.cc (81)    inside .xsession-errors, is it OK?
[00:49] <NeoFax> basy: That is fine, as the generic icon will be used.
[00:50] <NeoFax> alwrwr2003: What video card do you have?
[00:50] <il12> ok. I have a question of opinion: VMWare or Virt. Box?
[00:50] <alwrwr2003> nVedia 8500
[00:50] <NeoFax> alwrwr2003: What driver are you using in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[00:50] <Dr_willis> il12,  install both. :)
[00:50] <Dr_willis> il12,  i find some live cd's and disrtos have issues with one or the other.
[00:51] <il12> Dr_willis: tyvm.
[00:51] <firecrotch> !madwifi
[00:51] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[00:51] <il12> is it just apt-get install vmware and apt-get install virtualbox? or..?
[00:51] <alwrwr2003> Section "Device"
[00:51] <alwrwr2003> 	Identifier	"nVidia Corporation G80 [GeForce 8500 GT]"
[00:51] <alwrwr2003> 	Driver		"nv"
[00:51] <alwrwr2003> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[00:53] <il12> dr_willis: install vmware and install virtualbox or....?
[00:55] <adrian_> hola
[00:56] <Schuenemann> alwrwr2003, did you install nvidia-glx?
[00:56] <Dr_willis> il12,  install them both....
[00:56] <il12> dr_willis: I am asking as to the app name for the command-line installer
[00:56] <alwrwr2003> no
[00:56] <Dr_willis> !vmware
[00:56] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[00:56] <Dr_willis> !virtualbox
[00:56] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[00:57] <Schuenemann> alwrwr2003, what happens if you type glxgears?
[00:57] <il12> :( not available for Gutsy..... ok. So I suppose the second one will have to do.
[00:58] <alwrwr2003> i see some gears moving
[00:58] <Schuenemann> moving fast?
[00:58] <alwrwr2003> no
[00:58] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: Nice try... but I also have to update the nvidia modules....
[00:58] <alwrwr2003> normal i think
[00:58] <Dr_willis> They are both avail for gutsy
[00:59] <Dr_willis> You just have touse vmwareserver for gutsy :)
[00:59] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Yes, you will have to download that deb as well.
[00:59] <il12> Oh. alright.
[00:59] <il12> TY! haha. doctor knows best. :P
[00:59] <NeoFax> alwrwr2003: do sudo dpkg -L | grep nvidia
[01:00] <Schuenemann> alwrwr2003, you might try to change that 'nv' to 'nvidia', I had to do that when I had one
[01:00] <Dr_willis> What one is best - depends on what you plan on running on it.
[01:00] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: There are a lot of problems for just fixing a minor problem with a WLAN card...
[01:00] <dreamcoder> Merry Xmas everyone Night Night ! xxx
[01:00] <killer_> !/media system
[01:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about media system - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:00] <il12> a game.... that's all, for the moment, at any rate. LastChaos by Aeria Games if that makes any difference.
[01:00] <basy> I can't install flash (aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree)=> md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz, i tried 10 times, why?
[01:00] <alwrwr2003> i got this
[01:00] <alwrwr2003> dpkg-query: --listfiles needs at least one package name argument
[01:01] <il12> Dr_Willis: what about Qemu? the Ubuntu VMware page says to also consider that program.
[01:02] <killer_> NeoFax: any tips or URLs on how to configure /media mounted filesystems?
[01:02] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: It's like going back to gentoo... doing all yourself...
[01:02] <Dr_willis> ------->   What one is best - depends on what you plan on running on it.
[01:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:03] <il12> ok.. do you know which would be best for running a game?
[01:03] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Kinda, but you can use the restricted drivers package from hardy and you should be fine
[01:04] <NeoFax> alwrwr2003: OK try with a lower case l
[01:05] <Dr_willis> il12,  for a 3d game.. None of them.
[01:05] <alwrwr2003> sry do u mean i should replace nv with nividia in the xorg.conf?
[01:05] <Dr_willis> il12,  they are designed to run the whole OS. Not individual apps.
[01:05] <il12> Ok, so I suppose I just keep my windows for that then?
[01:05] <alwrwr2003> tried and showed me this
[01:05] <NeoFax> killer_: Check up on hal rules.  That is what actually mounts drives that are not permanently attached
[01:06] <alwrwr2003> ii  nvidia-kernel-common                       20051028+1ubuntu7                  NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[01:06] <il12> I just heard some mention of people playing WoW earlier, so I thought I'd see if I could get LC to work maybe in a similar way.
[01:07] <NeoFax> alwrwr2003: Do you have this package installed along with the nvidia-glx package and xserver-xorg-xgl package?
[01:07] <NeoFax> If so, then yes, just change nv to nvidia.
[01:07] <Dr_willis> il12,  they are running WoW with Wine, or Cedega.
[01:08] <Dr_willis> il12,  Wine is different in what it does from vmware/virtualbox/qemu
[01:08] <Schuenemann> what's so special about cedega?
[01:08] <il12> Dr_willis: I've tried wine, and apparently there is some sort of a security protection measure with LC that won't allow it to be run. I get the error that it is already running on my machine.
[01:08] <Dr_willis> Cedega is wine tweaked out for games. and with a nicer interface
[01:09] <Dr_willis> il12,  whats LC ?
[01:09] <alwrwr2003> i have this installed "xserver-xorg-core" but i can't see xgl .. the "nvidia-glx" is not installed .. should i install it?
[01:09] <il12> LC = LastChaos by Aeria Games
[01:09] <il12> the game. sorry
[01:10] <firecrotch> il12:  Have you installed it multiple times on any computer?
[01:10] <il12> and Cedega is by subscription only so I'll have to pass on that.
[01:10] <killer_> NeoFax: cool.. been googling for that info, "man hald" exposes no config info, kinda sad really
[01:10] <il12> firecrotch: no. it's a free game, just a 400+MB download, install it, download the patches and login.
[01:11] <firecrotch> il12:  Oh, I must have been thinking of some other game then or something
[01:11] <Alchera> okies .. back :) Joyeux Noël 
[01:11] <Dr_willis> il12,   You run the game installer with wine and it says the game is allready installed?
[01:11] <il12> firecrotch: np, you had a better idea than I did. I've no idea of what to do or to try. apparently it doesn't do this error on Ubuntu Feisty.
[01:11] <[GhOsT]> is there anyone have/had any problem with usplash/splashy in (k)ubuntu gutsy 7.10 64-bit ?
[01:12] <il12> Dr_willis: no, I attempt to launch the game and it says it is already running.
[01:12] <mani213> whats the best place to get mouse theme?
[01:12] <Dr_willis> il12,  Interesting.. got a URL? ill try it real fast.
[01:13] <sourcemaker> alwrwr2003: it's just have 5,2K --- right?
[01:13] <Schuenemann> mani213, kde-look.org
[01:13] <alwrwr2003> the nvidia-glx is 13 MB
[01:13] <alwrwr2003> i'm downloading it right now
[01:13] <Schuenemann> !nvidia | alwrwr2003
[01:13] <ubotu> alwrwr2003: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:13] <Schuenemann> have you read that?
[01:14] <Alchera> has anyone installed NUT (Network UPS Tools) ?
[01:14] <alwrwr2003> no i didn't
[01:14] <sourcemaker> Schuenemann: I will use the lastest version available... not the current kernel version--- this does not work
[01:14] <il12> dr_willis: http://lastchaos.aeriagames.com/download
[01:14] <Schuenemann> sourcemaker, really? latest version of what?
[01:15] <alwrwr2003> i've installed nvidia-glx now
[01:15] <sourcemaker> Schuenemann: the kernel version... and all it's dependencies
[01:16] <Schuenemann> sourcemaker, how did you set it up?
[01:16] <sourcemaker> Schuenemann: It does not work...
[01:16] <Schuenemann> what doesn't?
[01:16] <il12> dr_willis: this site, however, seems to present a 'crack' that you can use to bypass this 'error'..     http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=6828&iTestingId=9708
[01:17] <sourcemaker> I am sorry... but I will install Gentoo on this system... It's not a option for me for waiting 4 months... for getting the wlan card to work...
[01:18] <killer_> dolphin seems to hide any information that is useful
[01:18] <Dr_willis> il12,  cracks are normally for copy protection. :) id hope a free game has none
[01:18] <killer_> may end up uninstalling it
[01:18] <il12> dr_willis: well, apparently there is a 'cheat protection' which is what gives me the error that says it is already running.
[01:19] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: I resign...
[01:20] <Dr_willis> il12,  dont see how thats cheating really..  every other MMORPG out allows multi instances. :)
[01:20] <mani213> whats the best msn for linux?
[01:20] <Schuenemann> mani213, I think amsn
[01:20] <mani213> any other ones
[01:20] <mani213> i tried amsn wasnt really all that
[01:20] <il12> dr_willis: me neither, it's just what I found on this site: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=6828&iTestingId=9708
[01:20] <Schuenemann> well, at least it's what looks more like M$ msn
[01:20] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: What's wrong now?
[01:21] <il12> dr_willis: it's in the first comment that it explains the issue. *shrug* now I just need to -find- that app.
[01:21] <Schuenemann> mani213, there is also pidgin and kopete, but they are generic IM's and don't look like MSN. Why didn't you like amsn?
[01:21] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: nothing is working... :-) I have installed all the modules... but nvidia is not coming up...
[01:21] <Dr_willis> il12,  yep. Saw that.. no links given to find it. :)
[01:21] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Did you installed the restricted drivers module
[01:21] <mani213> amsn doesnt have the sound when i get a message
[01:21] <mani213> or is it i didnt install the mother board driver yet?
[01:21] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: And for the moment... I think.. I do not understand alle the specifics of ubuntu..
[01:21] <Schuenemann> mani213, it does
[01:22] <Schuenemann> mani213, is your sound working anywhere?
[01:22] <il12> dr_willis: yeah.... but I've no other solution. There are other comments that others cannot find this either.
[01:22] <mani213> yeye when i log into linux i hear  the sound as well ass logging off
[01:22] <alwrwr2003> ok guys i enabled nvidia acceleration through restricted drivers module
[01:22] <alwrwr2003> and it's need the computer to be restarted
[01:22] <NeoFax> Going to watch a movie.  will see you all tomorrow! G'Night!
[01:23] <alwrwr2003> thank u all for ur help
[01:23] <alwrwr2003> i'm restarting my computer and i will be right back
[01:23] <Schuenemann> mani213, well, I there is sound in preferences. I disable because I think it's annoying
[01:24] <mani213> lol kk thanks ill play around with it
[01:25] <Schuenemann> mani213, I prefer it than M$'s. I can disable most of the annoying things and it has plugins
[01:25] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: It's there any internal documentation available... how Kubuntu works... (technical details)?
[01:25] <killer_> hmm.. hald is looking more like a winbox util,  no known ways to configure it, users are locked out of when thehy shouldn't be
[01:25] <mani213> one more question you know how the mac computers have that shortcut i cons on the dock what do i need to get that for linux
[01:26] <killer_> looks like th best way to run kubuntu gutsy is just to use root as your main login
[01:26] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: I am not interessted in asking stupid questions... without success... maybe I am wrong... and have forgot a important step...
[01:27] <killer_> sorry all for ranting .. but I'm finding kubuntu less useable each distro
[01:27] <killer_> I install a new version, then find I spend hours trying to things I need on a daily basis, that I could do previously
[01:28] <il12> why is the Kubuntu .iso file larger than the Ubuntu .iso file?
[01:30] <il12> ok nvm that's kind of an obvious question.
[01:30] <mani213> whats a good program to get that icon dock for linux?
[01:32] <killer_> anyone know how to configure hald to allow uid 1000 to have access and not be blocked?
[01:35] <Dr_willis> killer_,  ive heard thers some hal/uid1000/mounting some drives issue/bug. but never seen a de-facto reason for it all
[01:35] <Dr_willis> I just mount the things manually :)
[01:36] <killer_> hmm.. possibly could change my user to uid 500 may resolve it
[01:36] <killer_> but I'd actually like to know how to configure it, and not work around it
[01:38] <Dr_willis> im wonder ing if its more of a 'all users cant access it'  1000 is the default initial user.
[01:38] <killer_> Dr_willis: I mount things manually too, but I'm trying to get people to use kubuntu instead of windows, and problems I could solve with a click or two in Mandrake 9.2 seem increasingly impossible w/ kubuntu
[01:38] <Dr_willis> killer_,   i find the problems with 'adding user friendly features' to be the bigger and bigger issue these days.
[01:38] <killer_> I've been using kubuntu as my only workstation since 6.1
[01:39] <Dr_willis> sinve ive not experienced the user1000 hald issue.. i cant really say what the deal is or how to fix it.
[01:39] <killer_> I thought the 'motto' of ubuntu was to make linux useable to the masses.. so I've been promoting it to lots of people
[01:39] <Dr_willis> I imagine theres a 100+ page forume thing is.
[01:40] <Dr_willis> killer_,  one bug does not mean the whole OS is trash.. if thats the case. all of them are Trash.
[01:40] <Dr_willis> i found gutsy to work fine on all my machines. I cant even recall any issues. I did do Clean installs on them all also. Not upgrades
[01:41] <killer_> Dr_willis: no.. it doesn't I still use it dedicatedly.. but win-only users should be able to find answers w/o even calling me, and that hasn't been happeening
[01:41] <killer_> -e
[01:42] <Dr_willis> Im reminded of all the windows-tech support i do at work all day. :)
[01:43] <Dr_willis> But automounting is still 100% better then it was say 2 years ago.. and i imagine it will only getbetter
[01:43] <Breetai> Hi all, I am running gusty on a system where I have loaded the nvidia restricted drivers. How do I get the cool compiz effects?
[01:44] <Breetai> I don't see any way to turn them on or control them.
[01:44] <killer_> Dr_willis: I agree.. don't misinterpret me, I'm not dogging the OS.. I like it alot.. I'm trying to learn the changes of the new gutsy distro
[01:44] <firecrotch> !compiz-fusion
[01:44] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:46] <Breetai> ubotu: thanks alot.
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanks alot. - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <killer_> Dr_willis: people say "Im tired of spyware" and tell them to d/l the new kubuntu and install it, call if they have questions
[01:47] <killer_> but I almost never update my workstation, I get it working and use it for 3-5 years
[01:47] <Schuenemann> killer_, just curious, who are these "people"?
[01:47] <killer_> now I find when I get called, I say "do this" and they respond, "I don't see that"
[01:47]  * Dr_willis checks the forums for hal 1000 refused
[01:47] <killer_> customers, cousins, family, strangers who have been pointed to me by others to put onto linux
[01:48] <Dr_willis> and what do i find.. one guy basicially teaching the other the linux fundamentals in a thread.. how to sudo.. how to do this.. argh.. time to start skimming :)
[01:48] <killer_> and I give them all the advice "just do "man <command>" for all the info you need
[01:49] <killer_> now I"m finding more things are missing the man pages
[01:50] <killer_> Dr_willis: yep.. someone saying "sudo dolphin" .. I want to configure the OS to work w/ the user, not configure the USER to work around the OS :)
[01:50] <killer_> Dr_willis: I think very few need ms windows anymore
[01:51] <killer_> most do email, read PDFs browse the web, create documents.. none of which require ms winxp anymore
[01:51] <Dr_willis> Im still not even clear on the EXACT PROBLEM. :)
[01:51] <Dr_willis> they go on about the fstab and stuff.. but hald is whats used by the automounting stuff I thought
[01:52] <killer_> hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[01:52] <Dr_willis> an entry in the fstab  makes the automounter ignore it. i thought
[01:52] <Dr_willis> and what/when/where is that message appearing?
[01:52] <killer_> I need hal-storage-mount-all-options to NOT refuse uid 1000
[01:52] <killer_> in dolphin, I click one of the hard disk icons that show up
[01:53] <Dr_willis> and thers no fstab entry for those hard drives? these are removeable or Non remvoeable hds ?
[01:53] <killer_> so I installed gutsy and open storage media, then click an HD, that's as far as I got
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> killer_: modify its settings in systemsettings->advanced->disks and filesystems
[01:53] <killer_> nosrednaekim: that brought me to my second problem. I could not get administrator mode,
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> killer_: what happened.
[01:54] <killer_> nosrednaekim: I had to do sudo systemsettings
[01:54] <Dr_willis> killer_,  ive noticed that in some of the config  apps - the 'administartor mode' button is off the bottom of the screen.
[01:54] <Dr_willis> maxamize the window will make it show up properly
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[01:55] <Dr_willis> I thionk part of that is due to how some of them are 'embeded' in the system settings tool
[01:55] <killer_> nosrednaekim: I click administrator mode, and it goes gray, then goes bright again and never asks for password
[01:55] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. now thats different. :)
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> killer_: well, running kdesuso systemsettings should work...
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> *kdesudo
[01:57] <killer_> nosrednaekim: yep... I've had to do that in the past, and a logout/login may fix that also, but I'd like to know why it's broke,
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> killer_: don't really know... but lets get back to your disk mounting. can you modify it in that tool?
[01:58] <killer_> nosrednaekim: I quit using windows in 2001 because I got tired of needless logouts and reboots
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> no need for a reboot...
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> or logout.
[01:59] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. all the fix's i see for the uid1000 issue. are basicially 'put a proper entry in the fstab' :)
[01:59] <killer_> nosrednaekim: when I try to modify  the partition settings, it places an entry in fstab that breaks dolphin
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> killer_: how does it break it? what does it say?
[02:00] <wry> havin trouble with adept... more or less can't find anything and I've apparently selected the multi and universe repositories
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> wry: did you press the "reload(or whatever its called)" button
[02:00] <killer_> Dr_willis: nosrednaekim: I don't see an entry for /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab, but it's in dolphin..
[02:00] <wry> yup
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> wry: did you go to adept->manage repositories and check all the options except source code?
[02:01] <wry> I've tried to upgrade too, but it crashes at 50%
[02:01] <killer_> nosrednaekim: I got a "died unexpectedly" message.. sorry for the generic info, but I deleted the fstab entry and was back to the hald uid 1000 issue
[02:01] <wubba> Could someone help me with setting up a wireless USB ethernet card on ubuntu?
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> killer_: thats ok.
[02:02] <Dr_willis> killer_,  this is where the automounting stuff differes from the fstab :) if its in fstab.. its not gettting autopmounted any more by hald. Its gettuing mounted by the system at boot.
[02:02] <Dr_willis> OR you can make it where a user can mount it on the fly.
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> killer_: hmm try this "sudo chmod a+w /dev/sda1"
[02:02] <Dr_willis> disk not in fstab, system tryes the hal automounting.. in fstab..hal ignores it. :)
[02:03] <killer_> Dr_willis: but it's not mounted.. that's my problem.. I have no access to the /dev/sda1 data
[02:03] <Dr_willis> but the help/threads i am seeing on this - seem to ignreo that fact.
[02:03] <Dr_willis> right click on it see if theres a mount menu item?
[02:03]  * Dr_willis tries the obvious
[02:03] <Dr_willis> this is an Exteral USB NTFS drive? or what exactly?
[02:04] <wry> had everything but canpnical and sourcecode selected. I was faffin about w it a few days ago though and think I've tried all of 'em
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> wry: and you have the mirror set to the main us one?
[02:05] <killer_> Dr_willis: nosrednaekim: ok. I chmod a+rw /dev/sda1 and and dolphin still won't open it
[02:05] <wry> Nosre: trying it again now... seems to have frozen @ 30%... I'll give it some time
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> killer_: still with the uid1000 error?
[02:06] <killer_> Dr_willis: this is NTFS on main system drive, I have dual boot so I can access mywindows mobile OS phone programs
[02:06] <killer_> nosrednaekim: yep.. still complaining that I"m uid 1000
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> killer_: heh... try this "kdesudo dolphin"
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> and mount it from there
[02:07] <Dr_willis> killer_,  Hmm.. every time ive ever installed Ubuntu. it always puts a entry in the fstab for the IDE/Sata disks.  Could be that IS the issue.. hal isent set to auto-mount those drives. only external/removeable ones.
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> but as a warning, you won't be able to read it anywhere else..
[02:08] <killer_> nosrednaekim: I get a DCOP error from kdesudo dolpin
[02:08] <Dr_willis> for my needs the proper way to mount my ntfs filesystems is to use the ntfs-3g tool and put the proper entrys in fstab.
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> killer_: that shouldn't be fatal.
[02:09] <alwrwr2003> hi guys
[02:09] <killer_> nosrednaekim: aah.. so it wasn't fatal, after clicking OK.. I eventually get a dolphin window
[02:09] <alwrwr2003> the compiz worked fine with me !
[02:09] <alwrwr2003> but how can i use the 3D Box ?
[02:09] <killer_> nosrednaekim: Dr_willis: and as root I have a clickable accessable /dev/sda1
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> alwrwr2003: install the compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:10] <killer_> so the drive can indeed be mounted if I want to be root
[02:10] <alwrwr2003> installed but i didn't know how to use it
[02:10] <killer_> which is the last thing I'm going to tell a newbie to do on the phone
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> alwrwr2003: "ccsm"
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> killer_: yeah. I think that issue was just fixed in hardy
[02:11] <wubba> Could someone help me with setting up a wireless USB ethernet card on ubuntu?
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> !hardware | wubba
[02:11] <KkValetekK> hello all
[02:11] <ubotu> wubba: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[02:11] <alwrwr2003> it's worked but what is the shortcut for the 3D box?
[02:11] <gauss_> What is some good software for burning an avi to a DVD so it can be played on a DVD player?
[02:11] <Dr_willis> killer_,  so as root the device automounted>?
[02:11] <KkValetekK> can anybody tell me how do I put a game in fullscreen? (not wine)
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> alwrwr2003: ctrl+alt+arrow keys
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> !dvd
[02:12] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[02:12] <killer_> dr_willis yep.. kdesudo dolphin works  as expected
[02:12] <gauss_> ubotu: I for some ungodly reason can't get k9copy to work on my system :(
[02:12] <Dr_willis> killer_,  it could be the device was mounted beforhand BUT when it got mounted by 'root' and that is why the user couldent access it.
[02:12] <alwrwr2003> i see 2 compiz tray icons is that normal?
[02:12] <gauss_> well then.. lol
[02:13] <Dr_willis> prolem with this problem is that i cant get it to even do it on my system so i cant test it. :)
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis: very probable...
[02:13] <killer_> Dr_willis: "df" showed no mount
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> oh.....
[02:14] <Dr_willis> killer_,  is there some reason you dont mount the filesystems with ntfs-3g at boot time?
[02:14] <Dr_willis> If the user wants full access to the ntfs disks - thats how to do it,.
[02:14] <killer_> Dr_willis: nope.. I think it should be read-only mounted at install w/o asking the user on dual boot machines
[02:15] <Dr_willis> I thought the installer asked where to mount the ntfs/windows disks TO.. if you left the mount point blank. I thouhg it dident mount them at all.
[02:15] <Dr_willis> This may be a diff in the alternaive and Live Cd installer
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> killer_: FYI... you can right click on the device in dolphin->actions->open as root...
[02:15] <Dr_willis> nosrednaekim,  thats scary
[02:15] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> of course... it'll prompt you for a password
[02:16] <killer_> nosrednaekim: I don't mind open as root if read-only
[02:16] <alwrwr2003> is it normal to see 2 compiz tray icons?
[02:16] <alwrwr2003> how can i cancel 1
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> alwrwr2003: did the cube ork?
[02:16] <killer_> nope I take out "mount as user" and still can't mount
[02:17] <alwrwr2003> well i can use it from inside but i don't know how to use it from outside
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> thats a setting in the settings manager somewhere
[02:18] <gauss_> Does anyone know of any DVD burning software that will burn an avi to player-ready DVD?
[02:18] <Dr_willis> gauss_,  they exist.. but they are not 1 click and its done - sort of things...
[02:18] <Dr_willis> tovid is one.. it also has a guy
[02:19] <Dr_willis> gui :) as an option
[02:19] <Dr_willis> but it dident work properly for me the other day
[02:19] <alwrwr2003> ok i see 2 compiz icons tray is this normal?
[02:19] <BluesKaj> gauss_, check the dvdplayer for the divx logo, it may not be necessary to recode the avi files, most are divx or xvid now.
[02:20] <gauss_> sweet, thanks
[02:20] <BluesKaj> I recently discovered that fact about my elcheapo koss player
[02:20] <Dr_willis> k3b  has some neat features that i have never used.. :)
[02:20] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  been wanting to get one of those also.. but too cheap
[02:21] <Arwen> I've got a problem with my virtual consoles. When I switch to them, I just get a flashing cursor.
[02:21] <BluesKaj> 100$ Dr_willis
[02:21] <Dr_willis> whats an emovixdvd anyway :) k3b has that. never seen that befor
[02:21] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  that will make like 6 the # of dvd players i got around here. :)
[02:22] <Dr_willis> waiting for the dvd plyares that can also work as UpNP clients. :)
[02:22] <killer_> Dr_willis: nosrednaekim: brb.. gonna do a relogin to see if it fixes the administrator mode
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: which ones? f1-6?
[02:22] <Arwen> yeah
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: you using ATI?
[02:23] <Arwen> yes
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> yeah... its a problem with ATI's...
[02:23] <BluesKaj> gauss_,  make sure you choose the dvd data option when burning avi files due to the fact that K3B balks at avi files in general , silly but true
[02:23] <Arwen> nosrednaekim, is there a remedy?
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: don't remember... probably. search google for it
[02:24] <Dr_willis> Hmm  - I only burn dvd data.. :) never really noticed the other features till now
[02:25] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, yeah, we're on our 4th dvdp , but so far this one has outlasted the others : )
[02:27] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  we bought like 5 2 yrs ago for $20 a pop.. of course they wouldent play a large # of comercial dvds sadly
[02:27] <Dr_willis> Cool. K3b can do emovix - making a live cd that plays video files.. heh
[02:28] <killer_> nosrednaekim: ok a relogin fixed administrator mode, and I now have dolphin access to read-only /dev/sda1
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> even without being root?
[02:28] <killer_> I think that's because I did an OEM install, and created my user afterwords
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> possibly..
[02:29] <nonewmsgs> how do you run a .bat file with wine
[02:29] <killer_> nosrednaekim: I configured the /media/sda1 mount in system settings-> disk&filesystems, then just open dolphin as a regular user
[02:29] <killer_> also set it to mount at boot time
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> killer_: cool :D... so everything is good now?
[02:32] <wry> nosrednaekim: I tried the main srver, it stalled at 30%. I wen away and came back. Seemed to be done but still no results for my searches. Trying the Australian server now and it's stopped at 30% again
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> wry: thats weird.
[02:33] <Arwen> gah, I need my consokles
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: it has something to do with the fglrx driver and the framebuffer driver
[02:33] <Arwen> not using fglrx
[02:33] <wry> nosrednaekim: your tellin me! You know where I can get another apt frontend like syaptic or the like?
[02:34] <killer_> nosrednaekim: well
[02:34] <ticat85> hey, can anyone give me a bit of advice on installing from tar files using Kinstaller?
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> wry: well, if "apt-get update" doesn't work from the commandline, nothing will.
[02:34] <killer_> nosrednaekim: I'd like to know how to administrate hald, but that can wait for another day I suppose
[02:35] <killer_> nosrednaekim: how bout "sudo apt-get update"
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> killer_: heh, yeah... that'd probably get ver complicated :D
[02:35] <Arwen> nosrednaekim, I'm not using fglrx, so do you have any other idea what might be wrong?
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> killer_: come to think of it.... yes, that would work a bit better...
[02:35] <BluesKaj> ticat85, kinstaller?
[02:35] <ticat85> yes, Kinstaller
[02:36] <ticat85> running into some ./configure error
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: oh! hmmm. no I don't, though I think I heard tell of that happening with the OSS driver too. again, search google
[02:37] <Arwen> yeah, I did, only hearing about fglrx...
[02:37] <BluesKaj> ticat85, some tar files don't have the configure or even make files
[02:38] <ticat85> :| humm, well I'm all new to this - installed Kubuntu all of 3 days ago - I wasn't aware of this
[02:38] <ticat85> any ideas for installing some files for Sopcast or Gamefu?
[02:39] <roberts> how do i get HD Intel Audio working on feisty 7.04?
[02:39] <BluesKaj> ticat85, which app are you trying to install ?
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> !sound | roberts
[02:39] <ubotu> roberts: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:40] <wry> nosrednaekim: E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[02:40] <ticat85> BluesKaj, I'm trying to install the Sopcast (P2P Tv client) and Gamefu (multi-emulator frontend)
[02:40] <wry> nosrednaekim: that'd be the problem, yaeh?
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> wry: thats very odd! switch to the US columbia mirror since I know that one works(i use it)
[02:40] <arrrghhh> i can't figure out how to get ls to list everything page by page - i read the man file for ls, there's nothing in there that mentions sectioning out results...
[02:40] <roberts> right, the sound system is running
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> arrrghhh: you may want du..
[02:41] <wry> nosrednaekim: in the command line I assume?
[02:41] <ticat85> BluesKaj, or more specifically: Gamefu-0.2.beta1-Source.tar.gz, sp-auth.tgz, libstdcpp5.tgz
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> wry: no... in adept
[02:41] <arrrghhh> well in windows, dir /p did the job.
[02:41] <BluesKaj> sorry ticat85 , dunnno anything about game apps, and not familiar with Sopcast
[02:42] <arrrghhh> nosrednaekim: du is for file sizes and essentially the footprint of that directory on your hdd... am i wrong?
[02:42] <ticat85> BluesKaj, well how about this: how would you normally go about installing any program from a downloaded TAR file without the configure file included
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> arrrghhh: no... but it does preint them out kinda by page (DIR by DIR)
[02:43] <arrrghhh> der you have to pipe it... ls ~ more
[02:43] <arrrghhh> well not tilde but the straight line (for pipe)
[02:43] <Dr_willis> ls | more
[02:43] <arrrghhh> ja... that's the one.  someone in the linux channel suggested it.
[02:44] <Dr_willis> Bash Basics :)
[02:44] <BluesKaj> ticat85, right click on the tar files and choose properties , click the permissions tab and check 'is executable' box before trying to install those files
[02:44] <arrrghhh> yea, i just figured it would be a switch from the man ls, like ls -p or something
[02:44] <arrrghhh> kinda counter-intuitive if you ask me, having to pipe it but whatever that works.
[02:45] <Dr_willis> arrrghhh,  i find it VERY VERY intuituve
[02:45] <ticat85> BluesKaj, what would this accomplish in the long run? sorry I just want to know the basics... as I said, new to this
[02:45] <wry> nosrednaekim: still stalling at 30%
[02:45] <BluesKaj> ticat85, I've run into that prob myself and have yet to find the answer
[02:45] <Dr_willis> expecting every program to have its own pageing feture is  counter-productive
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> wry: which one is it stalling on?
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> universe?security?
[02:46] <BluesKaj> ticat85, there are ppl here who know
[02:46] <wry> nosrednaekim: am I to assume that I've just got a dodgey distro?
[02:46] <arrrghhh> Dr_willis: i see what you're saying, i am not used to piping output on the cli... new concept to me.  old habits die hard.
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> wry: probably not.
[02:46] <ticat85> BluesKaj, well if anyone does know :) please chime in anytime now! anyone? please?:(
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> wry: probably just a bad sources.list.... are you running gutsy?
[02:46] <Dr_willis> arrrghhh,  try          alias lm = 'ls | more'
[02:46] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, how does one install tar files that don't contain configure , make make install
[02:47] <Dr_willis> hmm thats not ruight.. lets see
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: ouch.... with some fancy gcc stuff, but i'm not a C person.
[02:47] <wry> nosrednaekim: cc.columbia.edu
[02:47] <arrrghhh> i think i can remember to pipe the output... i just need to get used to the bash.
[02:47] <flaccid> BluesKaj: reading the doco provided with the program
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> wry: and...
[02:47] <flaccid> or in the archive eg. README, INSTALL
[02:47] <Dr_willis> arrrghhh,  try          alias lm='ls | more'
[02:48] <Dr_willis> arrrghhh,  heh heh i got all sorts of little scripts/aliases for tasks like that
[02:48] <wry> nosrednaekim: stoppin at 30%
[02:48] <IAmWill> anyone know how to get "MCP51 High Definition Audio" working??
[02:48] <BluesKaj> flaccid, that's a pretty glib answer there areno install readmes with some of the files
[02:48] <arrrghhh> yea, i've written some bash scripts to like remove all .torrent files from my desktop etc, but the whole piping output is a new concept to me.
[02:48] <flaccid> BluesKaj: yeah thats the fault of the packager/maintainer. what are you trying to install?
[02:48] <IAmWill> ARTS is running, but no sound
[02:48] <Dr_willis> arrrghhh,  linux is like 'layers of legos' :) rember that.
[02:48] <Dr_willis> Not Like an Onion.. :P
[02:49] <Dragnslcr> IAmWill- are you using digital output?
[02:49] <arrrghhh> Dr_willis: certainly... i do like having choices, i just wish they included that little tid-bit in the ls man page...
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> wry: what the line its stalling on? pate it here
[02:49] <IAmWill> Dragnslcr, its a laptop
[02:49] <flaccid> there might be a binary installer in there BluesKaj who knows
[02:49] <Dr_willis> arrrghhh,  its not an ls feature, or issue at all. :)
[02:49] <Dragnslcr> IAmWill- check all of the channels in alsamixer and kmix, make sure none of them are muted
[02:50] <Dr_willis> arrrghhh,  should they also mention, sort, and sed, and awk, and tail, and........ :)
[02:50] <BluesKaj> ticat85 is trying to install install Gamefu-0.2.beta1-Source.tar.gz, sp-auth.tgz, libstdcpp5.tgz
[02:50] <ticat85> BluesKaj, the Gamefu tar file includes a: CMakeLists.txt, Copying, Design, Install, Readme files
[02:50] <Dr_willis> arrrghhh,   Joys of Linux FUNdaMENTALS :)
[02:50] <ticat85> blueskaj, as well as a Makefile.am
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> oh! cmake!
[02:50] <flaccid> ticat85: what is that and where did you get it from
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> ticat85: read that "Install" file
[02:51] <flaccid> ticat85: as advised read the install and readme files
[02:51] <ticat85> flaccid, Gamefu-0.2.beta1-source.tar.gz
[02:51] <arrrghhh> ok, ls lists files right?  wouldn't you thinhk the ls man file would include directions on how to list files line-by-line or in a manner that you can flip through them?  i can't find the words to describe that...
[02:51] <ticat85> flaccid, will do... ill remain on the channel :)
[02:51] <ticat85> i also have another question though involving mythTV
[02:51] <wry> nosrednaekim: there aint no line. Just says 30% down the bottom. Nothing at all written above it
[02:51] <IAmWill> Dragnslcr, nothing is muted
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> wry: this is on the command line?
[02:52] <wry> nosrednaekim: in adept
[02:52] <flaccid> !ask | ticat85
[02:52] <ubotu> ticat85: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> wry: ah... kill adept and run "sudo apt-get update" from the command line. and paste the line it stalls on
[02:52] <BluesKaj> well, i was trying to install FF 3 beta 2 , but it has no configure. make , or makeinstall files the readmes aren't at all helpfull...no instructins
[02:52] <ticat85> flaccid, the install file seems to be saying something i was missing :(
[02:53] <flaccid> cool ticat85. yeah INSTALL and README are pretty standard for instructions :)
[02:53] <ticat85> haha, alright - in MythTV i am having trouble with my videocard
[02:53] <ticat85> err
[02:53] <ticat85> capture card
[02:53]  * flaccid dislikes no instructions
[02:53] <ticat85> averTV model, fairly old
[02:53] <flaccid> !capture
[02:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about capture - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:53] <wry> nosrednaekim: k.. hang on
[02:53] <anon32> anyone know how I can make Konversation stop flashing my taskbar whenever someone says anything?
[02:53] <flaccid> i think there is a support list somwhere
[02:54] <BluesKaj> ticat85, you might consider TVtime
[02:54] <flaccid> anon32: i think its in settings | configure notifications
[02:54] <ticat85> BluesKaj, tried it - it only recognizes my USB webcam
[02:54] <flaccid> !mythtv | ticat85
[02:54] <ubotu> ticat85: MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[02:55] <BluesKaj> ok ticat85
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> anon32: in settings->configure konversation->behavior->general
[02:55] <flaccid> ticat85: only thing else to check is google. your card is probably not supported perhaps
[02:55] <flaccid> also check dmesg and logs to see how the system treats the device
[02:55] <BluesKaj> mythtv is a bit daunting for ppl new to linux
[02:55] <flaccid> hopefully mythtv is easier now that they have fixed the package
[02:55] <ticat85> flaccid / BluesKaj, *sigh* I hate learning curves, kk ill check it out
[02:55] <anon32> nosrednaekim, not seeing it
[02:56] <ticat85> it recognizes the device as dev/video1, my webcam as dev/video0
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> anon32- it might be under Configure Notifications
[02:56] <ticat85> so why TVtime only sees dev/video0 is beyond me
[02:56] <anon32> Dragnslcr, yeah, but according to that, all my notifications are off
[02:57] <ticat85> BluesKaj, TVtime will not let me change my video source in the menu :(
[02:57] <flaccid> anon32: must be somewhere else sorry. not sure where
[02:58] <Dragnslcr> anon32- I would guess that it's Configure Notifications -> New message arrived on a channel
[02:58] <BluesKaj> composite 1 -2 etc ?
[02:58] <anon32> *shrug* ah well, now back to my framebuffer. Hmm.
[02:58] <flaccid> see man tvtime to see how to specify a different device maybe it has a switch
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> anon32: its in there right whee I said..
[02:59] <flaccid> i think its tvtime --device=/dev/video1
[02:59] <flaccid> there might be a tvtime-configure binary as well
[02:59] <ticat85> flaccid, ill try that right now
[03:00] <ticat85> flaccid, it wooooork! success!
[03:00] <ticat85> now only if my grammar worked :(
[03:01] <flaccid> hehe sweet
[03:01] <ticat85> flaccid, now why doesn't it work with mythTV?
[03:01] <flaccid> not sure, i aint used that beast in ages
[03:02] <BluesKaj> beast is a true term for it
[03:02] <ticat85> flaccid, is there a way to permanently keep dev/video1 as the device for TVtime
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> 'night everyone
[03:02] <BluesKaj> night mike
[03:02] <ticat85> I restarted the program and its back as dev/video0 is the source
[03:03] <flaccid> ticat85: yeah via configuration iirc
[03:03] <ticat85> flaccid, say configawhatnow?
[03:04] <flaccid> um it uses xml config files iirc. but i can't remember how to use them. google says lots..
[03:04] <ticat85> flaccid, is it a file I can find via dolphin?
[03:04] <flaccid> ticat85: have a look in ~/.tvtime
[03:05] <ticat85> flaccid, and that would be...? in the root somewhere
[03:05] <ticat85> again, new, normally I'd be "PROGRAM FILES" but alas, no windows
[03:06] <flaccid> um ~ stands for home
[03:06] <flaccid> its a real location. not sure how to get to address bar in dolphin sorry..
[03:07] <ticat85> hmm
[03:07] <ticat85> says "no such file or directory"
[03:07] <flaccid> were you running tvtime under root or normal user
[03:07] <ticat85> tvtime.xml?
[03:07] <flaccid> yes
[03:07] <ticat85> found it :)
[03:07] <flaccid> i'd say so. still you probably havnt googled yet
[03:08] <ticat85> nadda, been looking for the file... now that I have it
[03:08] <flaccid> well i got a tvtuner inbuilt to this notebook so i'll install tvtime
[03:09] <ticat85> open with Kate or Kwrite?
[03:09] <flaccid> any text editor. not there is a bug and i just got it! ~/.local/share/application
[03:09] <flaccid> oops
[03:09] <flaccid> i mean look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=612500
[03:10] <flaccid> might need to do a sudo chown `whoami`:`whoami` ~/.tvtime
[03:10] <jaylc185> Hey I installed kdevelop 3.5 but I don't know how to make it, i want to program in perl and C/C++, can anyone help?
[03:11] <ticat85> damn, i needed to edit as root
[03:11] <ticat85> this root thing is really annoying :(
[03:11] <Dr_willis> ticat85,  untill it saves your backside
[03:11] <flaccid> incorrect. read the above thread which makes the ownership of the config under root when it shouldn't
[03:11] <flaccid> once you know how to use root/sudo and when not to use it etc. there is no frustration
[03:12] <ticat85> i know sudo bash :)
[03:12] <Dr_willis> If the file is not in your home dir.. you need to edit/change it as root.. :)
[03:12] <flaccid> thats not a command you should run
[03:12] <Dr_willis> sytem wide chabnges neesd root.
[03:12] <ticat85> really? but its so handy
[03:12] <flaccid> well i wouldn't say system wide, i'd say files that require root perms
[03:12] <Dr_willis> using root  when you dont need to or making root shells like that and foreggint them.. can cause problems
[03:12] <flaccid> ticat85: its not handy. please read !root
[03:12] <dthacker> sudo is good.  sudo will save your posterior
[03:13] <Vorian> sudo thank you dthacker
[03:13] <Vorian> :)
[03:13] <ticat85> why can't I just be root all the time? like administrator
[03:13] <dthacker> :0
[03:13] <flaccid> ticat85: because that would be insecure
[03:13] <Vorian> ticat85, why would you want or need to do that?
[03:13] <ardchoille> ticat85: Because one mistake and you system is gone
[03:14] <ardchoille> !sudo
[03:14] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:14] <ticat85> hmm I'll take your multi-words for it :|
[03:14] <flaccid> an application has a bug that removes files that should be protected for example
[03:14] <Vorian> ticat85, :) good choice
[03:14] <ticat85> flaccid, I've changed:   <option name="V4LDevice" value="/dev/video1"/>
[03:14] <ticat85> but now when TVtime comes up i get a grainy green screen
[03:14] <flaccid> think about why windows was considered totally insecure prior to NT and firewall. there was only 1 user which could do anything.
[03:14] <dthacker> ticat85: I suspect most of us like sudo because we've done something silly and costly as root.
[03:15] <Dr_willis> one TYPO with rm -rf    as root = gone system :)
[03:15] <ticat85> flaccid, nvm now it's okay :|
[03:15] <ardchoille> Right
[03:16] <flaccid> ticat85: here is some good info/guide: http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/usage.html
[03:16] <ticat85> flaccid, ty I will definatly book mark that as of now :)
[03:17] <flaccid> cool
[03:17] <ticat85> flaccid, now I'm working on my previous install from tar problem
[03:17] <flaccid> tvtime does rock besides that stupid bug
[03:17] <flaccid> well im going to find an antennae so i can see something in tvtime heh
[03:17] <ticat85> does anyone have good/bad things to say about Fiire?
[03:18] <BluesKaj> yeah, tvtime is much easier to setup in the later distros , dapper was terrible ...much better now
[03:20] <BluesKaj> well, sacktime for me ...lots to do tomorrow , no more procrastination ,it'll be Christmas Eve...Merry Christmas to all & to all a good night :)
[03:22] <Dr_willis> I gotta go shopping! egads!
[03:22] <ticat85> Dr_willis, well you better hope you have Monday off then :|
[03:22] <Dr_willis> i got the week off. :)
[03:23] <ticat85> same here, only week of vacation this year though :(
[03:23] <Dr_willis> we may have a down week Jan 11-18th.
[03:23] <ticat85> wtf the install file says i need a "Autoconf" program to make my configure file :(
[03:23] <Dr_willis> But Nooo.. they couldnet have it right after our vacation week. :)
[03:24] <flaccid> !info autoconf
[03:24] <ubotu> autoconf: automatic configure script builder. In component main, is optional. Version 2.61-4 (gutsy), package size 437 kB, installed size 1676 kB
[03:24] <ticat85> blah :( why can't things just be uniform when installing files, like using adapt
[03:24] <flaccid> ticat85: install the package build-essential
[03:24] <flaccid> !compile | ticat85
[03:24] <ubotu> ticat85: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[03:24] <Dr_willis> If you want to use source.. you need to learn to use source.. :)
[03:24] <flaccid> ticat85: because people make programs differently. you are compiling source code.
[03:25] <Dr_willis> compiling from source is a whole lot better then it used to be at least.
[03:25] <ticat85> can't it come pre-complied in a nice little bowed package?
[03:25] <Dr_willis> what are you even compiling?
[03:25] <BenjaminD> hello. when i install a tar ball, in what folder should i keep the extracted files?
[03:25] <flaccid> ticat85: yes it can. is it available, did you check?
[03:25] <Dr_willis> BenjaminD,  depends on what it is.
[03:25] <ticat85> nah, these were the files given on the websites
[03:25] <BenjaminD> beryl
[03:26] <BenjaminD> but as a general rule?
[03:26] <ticat85> i think they are windows ports made by someone
[03:26] <Dr_willis> BenjaminD,  why not just install compiz?
[03:26] <flaccid> ticat85: yeah so the devs have not packaged for debian/ubuntu
[03:26] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[03:26] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:26] <ticat85> No autoconf in my adept installer :(!
[03:26] <Dr_willis> BenjaminD,  a properly done source archive wll uncompress to its own directory.
[03:26] <BenjaminD> compiz put a white border around my menu's
[03:26] <flaccid> !repos | ticat85
[03:26] <ubotu> ticat85: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:27] <flaccid> !adept | ticat85
[03:27] <Dr_willis> you may want to make a 'workspace' dir to put them in.
[03:27] <ubotu> ticat85: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[03:27] <BenjaminD> /workspace/
[03:27] <Dr_willis> BenjaminD,  try some other compiz themes perhaps. From what i gather beryl is dead.
[03:27] <flaccid> ticat85: need to install the relevant repos first. please read the links
[03:27] <BenjaminD> it is
[03:27] <BenjaminD> but i still like it
[03:27] <ticat85> kk i will... so much reading to do :(
[03:27] <flaccid> yeah half of nix is reading sometimes
[03:28] <makuseru> hi, in pidgin, when im a direcrly connected to people, and they send me pictures, or i send pictures, part of the picture will display then the rest will just be black. what causes this and how can i fix it?
[03:28] <Dr_willis> other half is rembering where ya saw somthing - so you can go back and reread it.
[03:28] <flaccid> makuseru: not sure try #pidgin or #gaim and or submit a bug via !bugs
[03:28] <ticat85> in the adept manager what is the "build-essentials" package called?
[03:28] <Dr_willis> 'build-essential'
[03:28] <ticat85> nvm
[03:28] <ticat85> found it
[03:29] <flaccid> yeah i guess i just bookmark hectic in opera, but i fail to categorise the bookmarks - at least you can search em in opera quickly
[03:29] <ticat85> overlooked it *doh*
[03:29] <flaccid> hehe
[03:29] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:29] <makuseru> flaccid: there all dead in there
[03:29] <flaccid> i like to encourage desktop users to use the graphical package manager hahah
[03:29] <ticat85> can you tell im new? :( *sigh* how long till I get good at Linux?
[03:29] <flaccid> makuseru: might have to try over a period of days
[03:29] <flaccid> ticat85: not very long you are already on the path
[03:29] <Dr_willis> !training
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about training - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <ardchoille> ticat85: That depends on how much you read and how fast you learn :)
[03:30] <il12> can anyone recommend a good .iso burner for Linux?
[03:30] <Dr_willis> Bummer
[03:30] <Dr_willis> il12,  k3b can do that.
[03:30] <flaccid> !info k3b | il12
[03:30] <ubotu> il12: k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.3-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 4916 kB, installed size 9436 kB
[03:30] <ticat85> well... i have a week to read
[03:30] <ticat85> so no one has comments on Fiire products?
[03:30] <il12> Whoot, ty.
[03:30] <ticat85> i was thinking about getting the FiireEngine :S
[03:30] <Dr_willis> Fiire? never heard of them
[03:30] <flaccid> never heard of fiire
[03:30] <ticat85> Linux MCE pre-packaged systems
[03:30] <Schuenemann> it burns if you touch it
[03:30] <ticat85> they have a neat VESA mounted pc thing
[03:30] <flaccid> mce ?
[03:31]  * Dr_willis is lost..
[03:31] <ticat85> Media Centre Edition... its a port of Kubuntu
[03:31] <flaccid> sounds commercial
[03:31] <Dr_willis> I just use MythTV
[03:31] <Schuenemann> you have a capture card?
[03:31] <Dr_willis> Hauppage PVR 150
[03:31] <ticat85> www.linuxmce.com
[03:31] <Arwen> wtf, I get a blue square when trying to watch any video in Gutsy
[03:31] <flaccid> i just use my 24inch monitor with HD heh
[03:31] <Arwen> and no, there's no compiz going on
[03:32] <ticat85> www.fiire.com
[03:32] <Schuenemann> Arwen, any error in konsole?
[03:32] <Arwen> no
[03:32] <ticat85> flaccid, so now I have the build-essentials what did that solve?
[03:32] <Schuenemann> maybe the video is a blue square?
[03:32] <Arwen> god, 7.10 is a whole box of nightmares
[03:32] <Dr_willis> build-essential installs the core essential packages needed to compile stuff
[03:33] <flaccid> ticat85: well if you read any of the articles we told you to read, it gives you the build suite (including autoconf)
[03:33] <ticat85> flaccid, readddding :( fine
[03:33] <flaccid> hehe
[03:34] <flaccid> in your case autoconf was obviously a dep to compile the program. ubuntu by default does not come with build-essential installed which has the compilers and so forth - people dont need them by default
[03:34] <flaccid> !find mce
[03:34] <ubotu> Found: mce-dev, mcelog, tinymce, tinymce-doc
[03:34] <flaccid> !info mce-dev
[03:34] <ubotu> mce-dev: development files for mce. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.6 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 196 kB
[03:34] <flaccid> !info mce
[03:34] <ubotu> Package mce does not exist in gutsy
[03:34] <flaccid> sorry.
[03:36] <ticat85> nice... autoconf is on its way installing
[03:36] <ticat85> flaccid, and everyone, thanks for your help by the way
[03:36] <ticat85> it's great having some random strangers to ask questions to
[03:36] <il12> yayyy I am on my way to burning Kubuntu onto a disc then I get to install it on my external
[03:36] <flaccid> sweet as ticat85
[03:37]  * flaccid has to install windows laterr *cringes*
[03:37]  * dthacker sympathizes with flaccid
[03:38] <il12> Flaccid: my cousin installed Ubuntu onto his internal HDD (of which he has three, two main ones), and accidentally wiped out his windows OS so now he has to go and get a new CD for it.
[03:38] <flaccid> ouchy
[03:38] <flaccid> i just need it for ableton live
[03:38] <ticat85> flaccid, so ive done autoconf... but when i type autoconf into the shell, i cant create files... do i need to be root for this?
[03:40] <flaccid> ticat85: why would you type the command? you just follow the instructions in the INSTALL and the scripts will use autoconf..
[03:41] <ticat85> flaccid,  i have followed the instructions... but i still have no ./configure
[03:41] <ticat85> can i send you the install file?
[03:42] <flaccid> ticat85: you can pastebin the install file
[03:42] <Dr_willis> typical installing from source  setup..
[03:42] <Dr_willis> tar xzvf whatever.tar.gz
[03:42] <Dr_willis> cd whateverdiritmade
[03:42] <Dr_willis> ./configure
[03:42] <flaccid> like the de facto standard for source is configure, make, make install but thats just the de facto method, it could be anything as per the INSTALL
[03:43] <ticat85> OoOoOoOo....
[03:43] <ticat85> kk ill try that
[03:43] <Dr_willis> Then after ./configure does it thing. You do 'make' and 'make install'
[03:43] <Dr_willis> let me guess.. ya dident cd to the dir?
[03:43] <ticat85> no im in the dir
[03:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:43] <ticat85> it's unzipped
[03:43] <ticat85> still can't ./configure
[03:43] <Dr_willis> what is this you are trying to compile anyway? got a URL?
[03:44] <ticat85> Gamefu-0.2
[03:44] <ticat85> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gamefu/
[03:44] <navetz> how do i get vmware server
[03:44] <ticat85> and ill have to do this for an N64 emulator whatever that one is for linux
[03:45] <Dr_willis> !vmwarew
[03:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vmwarew - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:45] <Dr_willis> !vmware
[03:45] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[03:45] <Dr_willis> download the packages frm the vmware web site. get a free serial # from them.. install :)
[03:45] <flaccid> !find gamefu
[03:45] <ubotu> Package/file gamefu does not exist in gutsy
[03:45] <ticat85> it's called Kamefu... comes with feisty
[03:46] <ticat85> but its an older version
[03:46] <flaccid> where is the pastebin of the INSTALL
[03:46] <ticat85> doesn't allow me to configure my joystick
[03:46] <flaccid> ticat85: there appears to be a debian package already http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Gamefu?content=36846&PHPSESSID=aea0c494598a28c66cc6ad7d584f79d9
[03:47] <ticat85> woot :)
[03:47] <ticat85> humm
[03:47] <flaccid> if thats the same thing you want, you don't have to build anything just install the .deb via adept or apt
[03:47] <ticat85> it's still the Kamefu
[03:47] <flaccid> well i don't know about the project ticat85
[03:47] <ticat85> ive tried that one... i wanted the newer version :(
[03:47] <Jennifer> hi
[03:47] <flaccid> its always a good idea to google to see if there is packages available to avoid building
[03:48] <flaccid> ticat85: ok
[03:48] <BenjaminD> when i am installing a tarball.. what does C compiler cannot create executable mean?
[03:48] <Dr_willis> Hmm. No ./configure for gamefu kde version... odd...
[03:48] <ticat85> Dr_willis: see it's madness!
[03:48] <ticat85> no Sopcast on KDE-APPS.org :(
[03:48] <Jennifer> my sound works periodically...perhaps something to do with my sound driver..anybody ever experience this?
[03:49] <Dr_willis> the SDL version has a ./configure
[03:49] <flaccid> ticat85: its not madness. show me the doco and i'lll advise what should be done..
[03:49] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  it has a .kdevelop file
[03:49] <ticat85> flaccid, do i just drag and drop it?
[03:49] <flaccid> no
[03:49]  * flaccid waits
[03:49] <il12> Is there a way to export my settings and accounts in Kopete?
[03:49] <ticat85> how do i share it then?
[03:49] <flaccid> !pastebin | ticat85
[03:49] <ubotu> ticat85: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:50] <flaccid> il12: i don't believe so, however you could copy the profile/config in ~/.kde
[03:51] <Jennifer> has anybody experienced periodic sound disappearance (or appearance) for HP laptops?
[03:51] <ticat85> flaccid, k im just pasting it now
[03:51] <il12> flaccid: alright, thank you but I'll pass. Way too new and with my luck I'd screw it up. I'll just reenter all my info. lol. it'll help me get more used to these distros I suppose.
[03:52] <ticat85> flaccid, pasted under ticat85
[03:52] <flaccid> il12: no worries
[03:52] <ticat85> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49455/
[03:52] <flaccid> ticat85: provide the URL
[03:52] <flaccid> thanks
[03:52] <il12> must dash, gonna install on my external HDD.
[03:53] <Dr_willis> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gamefu/
[03:53] <flaccid> ticat85: ok it has the standard SF install guide basically
[03:53] <ticat85> :( man i suck at this
[03:53] <flaccid> ticat85: so when you goto the directory you untarred it, and run sh ./configure what do you get ?
[03:54] <ticat85> "can't open ./configure"
[03:54] <ticat85> is what i get
[03:54] <Dr_willis> There is no configure script in the kde version is why
[03:55] <Dr_willis>  ./ means 'run the program in the current dir'
[03:55] <flaccid> ok now pastebin the output from (stay in the directory): ls -lahR; file ./configure
[03:55] <flaccid> guys can you provide a link to this archive and i'll look at it too
[03:55] <Dr_willis> there is a  CMakeLists.txt  script. and a   gamefu.kdevelop    i see
[03:56] <Dr_willis> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gamefu/
[03:56] <Dr_willis> thats the homepage. :) looking at the archive now.
[03:56] <Dr_willis> I have the sdl version compilng
[03:56] <flaccid> but which actual file
[03:56] <flaccid> ticat85: please provide a link to the archive you are actually trying
[03:57] <firecrotch> I'm running Kubuntu with compiz-fusion, I'm trying to figure out where the file that stores the setting for the desktop background is
[03:57] <ticat85> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49456/
[03:57] <feffer> Jennifer: sound is usually on or off. Can you offer more detail?
[03:57] <Dr_willis> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=126940&package_id=213045&release_id=466728
[03:57] <Dr_willis> Hmm that link pasted badly..
[03:57] <ticat85> that's the html link though
[03:57] <Dr_willis> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/gamefu/Gamefu-0.2.beta1-Source.tar.bz2?modtime=1164549031&big_mirror=0
[03:57] <Dr_willis> there we go.
[03:57] <ticat85> flaccid, look at Dr_willis's post
[03:58] <ticat85> Gamefu-0.2.beta1-Source.tar.gz
[03:58] <flaccid> ok ticat85 goto the dir and just do make; sudo make install
[03:58] <flaccid> see if that does it, maybe no configure required
[03:58] <flaccid> technically you should contact the package maintainer and ask them why the INSTALL is incorrect :(
[03:59] <ticat85> flaccid, make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[03:59] <flaccid> right. Dr_willis you are compiling it atm?
[03:59] <ticat85> flaccid, do i need to include a dir for my install file?
[03:59] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  trying to....
[04:00] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  but not seeing how. and the docs are lacking.
[04:00] <Dr_willis> the sdl version fails to compile also.
[04:00] <Dr_willis> So far,., im thinking this is a Work In progress :)
[04:00] <ticat85> noooo, but blah... :(
[04:00] <flaccid> im thinking so far it sux :)
[04:01] <flaccid> i got it d/l too and it doesn't make sense. this is not infrequent however
[04:01] <ticat85> www.sopcast.com/download
[04:02] <Dr_willis> they got a CMakeLists.txt file.. whatever thats for,, :)
[04:03] <ticat85> can you use rpm files in KDE to install programs?
[04:03] <Dr_willis> Makefile.am - Hmm... whats that .am for?
[04:03] <flaccid> !alien | ticat85
[04:03] <ubotu> ticat85: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[04:03] <flaccid> its a makefile can't remember exactly
[04:04] <ticat85> flaccid, so no :( too dangerous... just like sudo bash :)
[04:04] <flaccid> ticat85: ok i found it this is beta. you need the latest stable which is Kamefu 0.something
[04:04] <flaccid> ticat85: not necessarily. its dependent on many things. a lot of alien can be fine.
[04:05] <Dr_willis> night all...
[04:05] <flaccid> !find kamefu
[04:05] <ubotu> Found: kamefu, kamefu-data, libkamefu-dev, libkamefu0
[04:05] <flaccid> !info kamefu
[04:05] <ubotu> kamefu: KDE All Machine Emulator Frontend for Unix - binary files. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 78 kB, installed size 296 kB
[04:05] <ticat85> ya... i'll install Kamefu
[04:05] <flaccid> ticat85: install that package. can't really help with the rest, its beta and in dev etc.
[04:05] <ticat85> only problem with that is i can't configure my joystick and assign buttons using it
[04:06] <flaccid> ah well. how do you know this other version will do that?
[04:06] <ticat85> i don't i was trying to find out :P
[04:06] <flaccid> fair enough
[04:07] <ticat85> oh well :( atleast i got TVtime working
[04:07] <flaccid> cool
[04:07] <ticat85> no sound though....
[04:08] <unix_infidel> can anyone tell me how to setup fonts?
[04:08] <unix_infidel> without a gui tool?
[04:08] <unix_infidel> on gtk apps.
[04:09] <ticat85> flaccid, thanks again for your help...im going to go rest my brain :( ttyl
[04:09] <flaccid> um there is a binary to install fonts dynamically. can't remember the name of it hmm
[04:09] <ticat85> g'night all :) merry xmas and such
[04:10] <flaccid> !fonts
[04:10] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[04:10] <flaccid> maybe it says in there
[04:10] <flaccid> brb
[04:11] <jdlizard> can anyone help me with jinzora, i try to access jinzora and it says invalid style liquid
[04:12] <kristjan_> can I download 8.04 iso with kde4?
[04:14] <loronen> how do I change the keyboard settings to dvorak in kubuntu?
[04:15] <zylmak> hello
[04:16] <default> hi all.  has anyone else had problems with Kubuntu burning programs, specifically recognizing blank discs as "empty discs"?  I cannot burn- it just says "please insert cd-r/rw"
[04:18] <default> i think its something messed up in my hdparm.conf, but i don't think i should go about messing with it just yet
[04:18] <unix_infidel> anyone on my fonts question?
[04:19] <default> unix_infidel: what was your question?
[04:19] <unix_infidel> default: how do i set them up so they dont look so ugly.
[04:19] <unix_infidel> especially on gtk apps.
[04:19] <unix_infidel> i've installed msttcorefonts.
[04:19] <Sylphid> anyone know how i can fix a flash drive so it is usable again..... i dont care about the data currently on it
[04:19] <default> unix_infidel: i've got the perfect tutorial for you... hang on
[04:20] <il12> ok, I have started the installer from the LiveCD of Kubuntu and I want to install it on my external HDD.
[04:20] <il12> but I'm not -exactly- sure how to do it. I've gotten the installer setup to the part where you select the partitioning configs.
[04:20] <unix_infidel> default: great!
[04:21] <default> unix_infidel: this was written for Hoary, but it works on all versions of Kubuntu, and your fonts (including GTK) will look much more like M$ "Cleartype" fonts, which i think look rather nice.  ---> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20976
[04:21] <il12> what do I need to do to makesure that it goes to the external HDD but does NOT wipe it first?
[04:22] <default> unix_infidel: read closely and follow each step, and your fonts will be beautiful
[04:22] <unix_infidel> default: wouldnt it just be better to install ms tt fonts?
[04:22] <loronen> how to switch to dvorak keyboard format?
[04:23] <default> unix_infidel: you'll have the fonts, but you won't have the rendering (sub-pixel hinting and smoothing effects).  Trust me, you will notice the difference
[04:23] <default> unix_infidel: the tutorial actually has you install those fonts
[04:24] <cumulus> Why can my screen resolution be only 640x400, and 800x600 and not bigger while it was way bigger under windows?
[04:25] <Sylphid> loronen: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=12580.0;wap2
[04:25] <loronen> sylphid: many thanks
[04:26] <Sylphid> cumulus: what kind of video card do you have
[04:26] <cumulus> It is onboard video
[04:26] <cumulus> Is there a place I can get you the full name of it?
[04:26] <Sylphid> cumulus: ati or nvidia
[04:26] <cumulus> It's some Intel Graphic manager
[04:26] <cumulus> Neither, it's on-board, no cards
[04:27] <il12> /leave
[04:27] <Sylphid> cumulus: what shows up using lspci
[04:28] <flaccid> cumulus: lscpi or lshw
[04:28] <Sylphid> lspci
[04:28] <cumulus> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[04:28] <flaccid> soz Sylphid
[04:28] <flaccid> i think you need that extra intel driver thing?
[04:29] <cumulus> Both of these I think
[04:29] <cumulus> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[04:29] <cumulus> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[04:29] <cumulus> Probably
[04:29] <flaccid> that i915 resolution or something
[04:29] <cumulus> I would find it on their website?
[04:29] <flaccid> looking now
[04:30] <flaccid> this might be it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto#head-0e3051713171cb5d1bf49dc2dc7bea24eb9ed83e . but can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf please
[04:30] <flaccid> also xrandr -q
[04:31] <unix_infidel> hmm, too bad firefox doesnt let you pick your DPI anymore
[04:32] <flaccid> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel
[04:32] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-video-intel: X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver. In component main, is optional. Version 2:2.1.1-0ubuntu9 (gutsy), package size 173 kB, installed size 476 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm armeb armel hppa hurd-i386 i386 ia64 kfreebsd-i386 lpia m68k mips mipsel netbsd-i386 powerpc)
[04:32] <zylmak> geex i just deleted the trash ho do i putit back im in dolphin
[04:32] <flaccid> cumulus: do a sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:33] <cumulus> http://pastebin.com/d30e8d879
[04:33] <cumulus> cumulus@cumulus-laptop:~$ xrandr -q
[04:33] <cumulus> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 800 x 600, maximum 800 x 600
[04:33] <cumulus> default connected 800x600+0+0 0mm x 0mm
[04:33] <cumulus>    800x600        61.0*
[04:33] <cumulus>    640x480        60.0
[04:34] <flaccid> cumulus: do the command above and when asked select the intel driver
[04:34] <flaccid> !pastebin | cumulus
[04:34] <cumulus> Ok
[04:34] <ubotu> cumulus: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:34] <flaccid> so basically we install and change to intel driver then should have the other resolutions available
[04:34] <cumulus> I didn,t think this was large, sorry
[04:34] <cumulus> I pastebinned the xorg.conf if you still need it
[04:35] <flaccid> above 3 lines apparently is flood
[04:35] <flaccid> anyway see how you go
[04:36] <il12> ok, question. on Kopete, from the LiveCD while I am letting the installer resize a partition on my external HDD to install Kubuntu onto it, it crashes whenever I try and sign into MSN.
[04:36] <cumulus> I did apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel; - and it asks me if I want to install a pack, or keep my version
[04:36] <flaccid> um install i think
[04:37] <il12> can I install using the LiveCD? I know it won't be there when I shutdown...
[04:37] <flaccid> yeah thats what the install shortcut is for on the desktop w/ livecd
[04:37] <il12> I mean install something like Pidgin
[04:38] <flaccid> yeah you can install, but its not persistant, it will be gone on reboot
[04:38] <flaccid> its basically loading it into ram
[04:38] <il12> I'm already letting the resizing partition part of the Kubuntu installer take forever on my external HDD........... hasn't even moved off of 0%
[04:38] <il12> Ok. ty
[04:39] <flaccid> hmm i guess there could be a problem then. is there anything going crazy cpu wise in top or ksysguard?
[04:39] <il12> brb
[04:39] <cumulus> It asks me the video bus now
[04:40] <cumulus> There,s PCI:0:2:0 already written, and I can edit it
[04:41] <flaccid> just enter on that
[04:41] <flaccid> enter on anything you don't know that needs to be changed. the only thing you probably need to change is driver to "intel"
[04:42] <flaccid> and desired resolution if it asks
[04:42] <cumulus> Should it use framebuffer?
[04:42] <cumulus> Ok
[04:43] <flaccid> um press enter. yes or no is ok, probably needs to be on or off for intel i can't recall
[04:43] <lnxkde> guys I am having a problem with firefox, It is slow as hell, and frezees to much when tinking ) I dont get this when I use kubuntu 386) I am using Kubuntu amd64
[04:44] <nide1571> low
[04:44] <nide1571> hello
[04:45] <flaccid> howdy
[04:46] <cumulus> Ok, setup completed
[04:47] <cumulus> Restart X?
[04:47] <flaccid> ok now goto kdm and restart X from menu or do a sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart from a tty once logged out
[04:48] <cumulus> tty is ctrl+alt+F1?
[04:48] <flaccid> yep
[04:48] <ardchoille> cumulus: yes
[04:49] <cumulus> So, I log off my session, press these keys and do the command you said?
[04:49] <ardchoille> cumulus: There are 6, ctrl+alt+f1 for tty1, ctrl+alt+f2 for tty2, etc
[04:49] <cumulus> Oh ok
[04:49] <flaccid> cumulus: yeah and if kdm doesn't come back, do sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop and then run startx manual and see the problem in the output
[04:49] <cumulus> I'm scared ^
[04:49] <cumulus> ^^*
[04:49] <cumulus> You scare the noob out of me with all those commands
[04:50] <ardchoille> hehe
[04:50] <flaccid> hehe. its funny when you help a friend remotely fixing their video and you do this and ask them 'is that better'
[04:50] <flaccid> via ssh..
[04:50] <cumulus> Hahaha
[04:50] <ardchoille> flaccid: lol
[04:50] <cumulus> Ok, I,ll take a breath and try
[04:50] <cumulus> it
[04:51] <flaccid> the reaction is usually. thats perfect or its gone all weird! try again heh
[04:51] <cumulus> Thank you verry much, hope it'll work =)
[04:51] <cumulus> Or "It's all black now"? =)
[04:51] <flaccid> yeah me too, i hope so. still you should of been able to get more res with the vesa driver i would of thought, but maybe im wrong
[04:51] <cumulus> Well, it asked me to select resolutions
[04:51] <flaccid> yeah so do what i mentioned above
[04:52] <cumulus> But they were pre-selected
[04:52] <Sylphid> anyone know how i can fix a flash drive so it is usable again..... i dont care about the data currently on it
[04:52] <flaccid> Sylphid: qtpared
[04:52] <flaccid> or fdisk via cli
[04:52] <Solifugus> Has anyone experienced any problems upgrading to gutsy (via adept?)
[04:52] <flaccid> qtparted i mean sorry
[04:53] <Gidean> Hello all...
[04:54] <cumulus> flaccid: you<re a genious =D
[04:54] <Gidean> This may sound rediculous but is it possible to contract a computer virus from image files?
[04:54] <flaccid> serious?
[04:54] <cumulus> The only thing is that when I go in a tty, my screen simply closes up
[04:54] <flaccid> Gidean: depends what you did with the image files
[04:55] <flaccid> simply closes up?
[04:55] <cumulus> But there was an option in the programm that handles the session to restar X, forgot the program name
[04:55] <flaccid> cumulus: sorry mate um i think its ctrl+alt+f7 to go back to tty for X
[04:55] <flaccid> restarting kdm restarts X basically
[04:55] <cumulus> Yeah, I used ctrl+alt+F7 to come back
[04:55] <Gidean> I downloaded a .zip file of osx backgrouds for a gnome box from some wierd website.
[04:55] <cumulus> Because F1 was just closing the screen
[04:55] <Dragnslcr> Gidean- if there's a bug in the program that's rendering the image, yes it's possible
[04:55] <flaccid> ok so you all good cumulus ?
[04:56] <flaccid> cumulus: not sure what you mean, but sounds like its fixed
[04:56] <cumulus> Now yep, except that the tty don,t work for me.  Do I need them in my life^
[04:56] <Gidean> suddenly these white vector lines began appearing on the screen
[04:56] <Gidean> and the panel is all messed up
[04:56] <flaccid> cumulus: um no you don't usually need them. sometimes it can be a pain on some systems to go between which is weird. sometimes on old systems have to hold down the ctrl+alt+whatever a bit
[04:57] <cumulus> Ah, that<s possible
[04:57] <Dragnslcr> Gidean- could just be a bug in X and/or KDE. Tried restarting X?
[04:57] <Sylphid> flaccid: qtparted isnt recognizing the device any other ideas?
[04:58] <Gidean> thought it might be a bug in X so I rebooted, no fix
[04:58] <cumulus> Hm, nope, it really closes my screen =) Even the power light turns off
[04:58] <flaccid> Sylphid: check dmesg and sudo cat /var/log/syslog and also sudo fdisk -l
[04:58] <Dragnslcr> Gidean- I dunno, unless a driver got corrupted somehow
[04:58] <flaccid> cumulus: im not sure what you mean or the problem. perhaps a reboot will fix, see if you can just login from kdm and be normal..
[04:59] <Gidean> I ran dpkg to reconfigure the display...no dice
[04:59] <cumulus> What happens is.  If I type ctrl+alt+F1, the screen closes.  When I hit ctrl+alt+F7, the graphics come back, it is just that
[05:00] <cumulus> And damnit I think my keyboard got configured as a US keyboard now in the X configuration, but I will look in the options for that
[05:00] <Sylphid> flaccid: it shows the device connected in dmesg and syslog but not fdisk -l
[05:00] <Gidean> what other driver could have been corrupted?
[05:00] <flaccid> cumulus: thats how its meant to be? X runs on a tty which is separate. im not if there is a problem
[05:01] <sat_> after installing kubuntu, i chose kde as my default desktop manager. How can I change it to Gnome?
[05:01] <flaccid> Sylphid: maybe its broken or something. even if its unformatted the disk should appear in fdisk -l via usb mass storage
[05:01] <flaccid> sat_: install the package ubuntu-desktop
[05:02] <fildo> flaccid: hi !
[05:02] <flaccid> heya fildo
[05:02] <Sylphid> ight thanks flaccid
[05:02] <flaccid> np
[05:02] <fildo> !flaccid
[05:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flaccid - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:02] <fildo> aww
[05:02] <maduser> hey
[05:02] <_Angelus_> morning
[05:02] <maduser> don't make ubutu work harder then he allready has to
[05:02] <sat_> flaccid: i already had ubuntu. i installed kubuntu. i've both now. the default one is kde now. i wanna change it.
[05:03] <maduser> download the gnome desktop
[05:03] <maduser> through adept
[05:03] <_Angelus_> i made a fresh kubuntu install, and its giving me some weard dcopserver error when ever i try to press the "Administrator" button in system settings, and its not giving me root privilidges
[05:03] <_Angelus_> any help?
[05:03]  * Gidean thinks kde is WAY better
[05:04] <Gidean> couldn't resist :)
[05:04] <cumulus> I'm not sure of how to explain that.  When I go on the tty7 (X), it works fine, I have my screen and everything.  But when I go on tty1 to 6, I don't get a console, I get a black screen
[05:04] <arrrghhh> what's the quickest dirtiest way to find which version of ubuntu is on this livecd?  the iso i downloaded said 7.10, but after installing it on my destkop adept is doing a dist-upgrade to 7.10... i don't get it.
[05:05] <Dragnslcr> arrrghhh- there was a bug in Adept when 7.10 was released
[05:05] <arrrghhh> i'm running the same livecd on my laptop now, and all i'm finding is the version of kde it's using, nowhere the version of ubuntu
[05:05] <arrrghhh> oh yea?
[05:05] <Dragnslcr> It keeps saying a new version is available even though there isn't
[05:05] <ardchoille> arrrghhh: open a terminal and type:  lsb_release -a
[05:05] <maduser> I had a problem when i did the dist upgrade
[05:05] <arrrghhh> thanks, beautiful.
[05:06] <flaccid> sat_: you simply select the default from kdm or gdm and it should save that default when you choose it from the menu
[05:06] <maduser> so i got a cd and did a freash install
[05:06] <arrrghhh> so i should stop the dist-upgrade?
[05:06] <maduser> all i'm saing is that it did not work for me
[05:06] <maduser> I had to do a new install
[05:06] <flaccid> cumulus: i understand. thats weird how your init tab is doing that. hmm i guess you could google it
[05:06] <arrrghhh> i just did a new install...
[05:07] <cumulus> Bah, I can live without tty for now, when it'll be urgent I will check =0
[05:07] <cumulus> =)*
[05:07] <flaccid> cool
[05:08] <cumulus> Um, out of curiosity, where did you find the informations for the driver? Because I think I need one for my sound too
[05:08] <flaccid> um google and the ubuntu wiki <-- the two places to search and check with first before irc :)
[05:08] <flaccid> i also had knowledge that intel is like this heh
[05:08] <sat_> flaccid: right. I chose kdm. i want to change it to gdm. I don't know how I can get that window. I've been looking for it for 2 hours
[05:09] <cumulus> Alright, I'll check there in the future, save you some time =)
[05:09] <flaccid> sat_: you could ask #ubuntu, i can't remember how you are meant to switch between the two.
[05:09] <sat_> flaccid: sure. thanks.
[05:09] <flaccid> sat_: did you google or search the wiki on this?
[05:10] <sat_> flaccid: no. i'll try that.
[05:10] <flaccid> lots of results on that as well eg. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=95275
[05:10] <flaccid> sat_: i just did a search like http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=change+kdm+to+gdm+ubuntu&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[05:11] <wubba> I have a wireless USB ethernet that won't connect to the network.  It shows that it is enabled.  I checked the USB settings and Linux can see the correct card.
[05:11] <sat_> flaccid: thanks. appreciate it.
[05:11] <flaccid> np
[05:11] <Sylphid> cumulus: the tty's will be back to normal after a reboot
[05:11] <wubba> Any ideas?
[05:12] <flaccid> !wireless | wubba
[05:12] <ubotu> wubba: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:12] <flaccid> did you check the support of the card, wubba does it come up in ifconfig at least?
[05:12] <flaccid> (or ifconfig -a)
[05:12] <cumulus> Sylphid: Okie, gracias
[05:13] <cumulus> The wiki is http://wiki.kubuntu.com ?
[05:13] <wubba> THe card is supported - I didn't do an ifconfig - but I checked the NETWORK SETTINGS - it enabled it but it isn't pulling an IP.
[05:13] <flaccid> !wiki
[05:13] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[05:13] <wubba> let me try the ifconfig
[05:13] <flaccid> or http://wiki.kubuntu.org
[05:14] <cumulus> This wiki is more about the team who did kubuntu or I misslooked?
[05:15] <flaccid> everything is there. you just search basically
[05:15] <cumulus> Alright
[05:15] <flaccid> its a topic based system thats collab
[05:18] <sat_> flaccid: i could change it to gdm. thanks.
[05:18] <flaccid> np
[05:19] <unix_infidel> hmm, can someone tell me why i cant press backspace and go back in firefox?
[05:19] <flaccid> i wish i could unix_infidel
[05:20] <unix_infidel> lol
[05:20] <unix_infidel> i just spent the last oh....2 hours configuring linux.
[05:20] <unix_infidel> and i'm not even half way done :-)
[05:20] <flaccid> ouchy
[05:20] <unix_infidel> but i'm going from scratch with ubuntu-server so i guess i deserve it.
[05:21] <flaccid> ouchy choice for server hehe
[05:23] <flaccid> well i can't talk i still got one here, but i guess its for testing. too lazy to change it to freebsd heh
[05:24] <unix_infidel> is there anyway to generate an xmodmap?
[05:25] <cumulus> Quick question: How can I access my other hard-drive partitions under KDE?
[05:26] <flaccid> !mount | cumulus
[05:26] <ubotu> cumulus: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:26] <flaccid> oops wrong one
[05:26] <flaccid> !fstab | cumulus
[05:26] <ubotu> cumulus: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[05:26] <flaccid> !ntfs | cumulus
[05:26] <ubotu> cumulus: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[05:28] <Breetai> I messed something up with compiz i.e. no window decorations and no keyboard input. Does anyone know how to delete all of the compiz settings out of a user account
[05:28] <cumulus> It's already mounted
[05:28] <maduser> I don't think an unistall will do....
[05:29] <flaccid> goto like storage media in konqueror or dolphin, cumulus
[05:29] <cumulus> Ok, because on gnome it's on the desktop, so I was wondering what the location was for kde =)
[05:29] <cumulus> Gracias mister
[05:29] <cumulus> Thanks for everything.  I think I,ve got my quota for today =)
[05:29] <flaccid> cumulus: you can enable that in kde as well by going to configure desktop
[05:30] <flaccid> np cumulus
[05:30] <cumulus> Happy holidays
[05:30] <cumulus> Oh, I'll do that right away
[05:31] <flaccid> cia0
[05:32] <ganjamaniac> dn3d needs SLI
[05:38] <kyled185> does anyone know what package supplies SDL-opengl libs?
[05:38] <biovore> I SDL uses that standard opengl stuff..
[05:38] <biovore> I think..
[05:39] <kyled185> biovore, so I assume opengl support would be in the libsdl package
[05:40] <biovore> libglut3-dev mesa-common-dev freeglut3-dev glutg3-dev
[05:40] <Greenery> !teamspeak
[05:40] <ubotu> Teamspeak is the proprietry VoIP software see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TeamSpeak  For a open source alternative consider using Mumble http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
[05:40] <biovore> I don't SDL does any actual OpenGL rendering.. Has some calls like init and setup window.. but alot of it is just calls to standard GL libs.
[05:41] <biovore> (I don't think)
[05:41] <kyled185> I think you're right, I just wanted to use to to supplement opengl with mice, audio, etc
[05:42] <biovore> http://lazyfoo.net/SDL_tutorials/index.php <-- some good tutorials on the subject
[05:42] <kyled185> biovore, that's actually what I'm using, but thanks
[05:43] <biovore> ok cool.. there setup for linux on that is correct.. they all worked here..
[05:43] <ganjamaniac> !seen mr. meowagi
[05:49] <mani213> i have a program with my adept it says its already running but its not
[05:50] <mani213> so i cant even fetch updates
[05:50] <mani213> what should i do
[05:50] <ubu> i think my cd/dvd burner has gone wacko: dmesg= "ide: failed opcode was: unknown" & "hdc: ide_intr: huh? expected NULL handler on exit"
[05:50] <ubu> that can't be good, can it?
[05:50] <flaccid> !adeptxfix | mani213
[05:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adeptxfix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:50] <flaccid> !adeptfix
[05:50] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[05:51] <flaccid> maybe that
[05:51] <mani213> type that in konsole?
[05:51] <ubu> also: "hdc: cdrom_decode_status: error=0x40 { LastFailedSense=0x04 }"
[05:51] <mani213> !adeptxfix
[05:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adeptxfix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:52] <ubu> mani213: you probably have an instance of adept running in the background... check in Ksysguard
[05:54] <mani213> so i just look for adapt
[05:54] <mani213> and kill it?
[05:55] <evjunior09> Can anyone help me with Syncing my iPod Touch to Amarok??
[05:56] <mani213> still not working
[05:56] <mani213> adept is acting weird
[05:56] <maduser> did you do sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[05:57] <mani213> no what does that do?
[05:57] <evjunior09> Hello?
[05:57] <maduser> thats the fix
[05:57] <maduser> run it in the terminal
[05:58] <mani213> after i type that
[05:58] <mani213> do i type in y for yes?
[05:58] <maduser> yeah
[05:58] <mani213> thanks
[05:58] <Mister_Hand> Hi There, when you use a voip like Kphone, do you have to register somewhere for SIP service?
[05:58] <mani213> i would have never figured that
[05:58] <maduser> you could have googled it
[05:59] <Mister_Hand> I hear all this "free" phone call stuff, but don't know anything about it
[05:59] <maduser> is an easy fix
[06:00] <maduser> the only "free" phone calls i have ever heard of by means of phreaking
[06:00] <Mister_Hand> maduser, i see
[06:01] <Mister_Hand> maduser, it was my understanding you could make free calls over voip
[06:02] <ardchoille> Is it possible to get google toolbar in kubuntu?
[06:03] <maduser> download firefox with google tool bar for linux?
[06:04] <ardchoille> So I have to use firefix and a google toolbar extension?
[06:04] <maduser> dunno
[06:04] <maduser> mabe its an add on?
[06:05] <maduser> like firefox ftp
[06:06] <homercycles> I'm having problems where Kubuntu keeps removing a DNS server I add as my primary DNS every hour or so. Whenever the internet seemingly fails, I go into System Settings, Network Settings, click Administrator Mode, click on Domain Name System, and enter it again and press Apply. Does anybody know how to force a DNS setting in Kubuntu 7.10?
[06:07] <dthacker> homercycles: are you using DHCP?
[06:09] <arrrghhh> wow... so i guess the nvidia 7600gt isn't officially supported?
[06:09] <homercycles> I quite possible am, from my ADSL router.
[06:09] <homercycles> Guess I should go and tell it to dish out the DNS for me?
[06:09] <homercycles> it's a Billion whose internal DNS is slow as sh*te so if I specified my ISP DNS in Windows, it fixed it, but Linux won't remember a manually-added DNS, it seems
[06:09] <arrrghhh> restricted drivers didn't work, and the 'official' installer has now broken my xorg completely... ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't even get me back to a console that's readable.  it's all the same illegible character.
[06:10] <mani213> when i download a driver off net how do i install it open it with ark?
[06:10] <dthacker> homercycles: if your DHCP lease expires, then your /etc/resolv.conf (where your DNS settings live) will be overwritten.
[06:10] <arrrghhh> does anyone else have the 7600gt?  it's skipped in the 'supported drivers' section of nvidia's website...
[06:12] <arrrghhh> oh but there it is in the newest software update... so why did it break everything?  shouldn't deleting the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file fix it at least enough to get back into a session?
[06:12] <arrrghhh> seems the unbreakable X has been broken by my newest gutsy install....
[06:17] <mani213> how do i update the drivers?
[06:19] <ardchoille> mani213: which drivers?
[06:19] <arrrghhh> so i'm getting a "screens found, but none have a usable configuration" error.
[06:20] <mani213> like graphics card mother board etc
[06:21] <ardchoille> mani213: If you installed the drivers via the repos, then updating the system will update everything. If you installed the drivers from source or 3rd party packages, it's up to you to update them.
[06:21] <mani213> so how do i update it with linux do i use adept?
[06:21] <ardchoille> mani213: Did you install from the repos?
[06:21] <mani213> repos?
[06:21] <mani213> you mean sites?
[06:22] <ardchoille> adept? Synaptic? apt-get?
[06:22] <ardchoille> mani213: How did you install?
[06:22] <mani213> i didnt install drivers yet
[06:22] <mani213> but i wana so what should i do search ati in adept??
[06:22] <ardchoille> !ati | mani213
[06:22] <ubotu> mani213: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:27] <arrrghhh> ok, i did exactly what the "BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia" instructed me to and it didn't work.  i did what the nvidia website told me to do, and it BROKE the so-called unbreakable X.
[06:28] <flaccid> when was x deemed unbreakbable lol
[06:28] <dsmith_> lol
[06:28] <flaccid> arrrghhh: do you know how to go to a tty?
[06:28] <ardchoille> arrrghhh: which version of Kubuntu are you using?
[06:28] <dsmith_> dunno, I have broke it plenty of times
[06:28] <arrrghhh> 7.10
[06:29] <arrrghhh> flaccid: tty... no?
[06:29] <flaccid> arrrghhh: ok check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see the problem of X/kdm not starting
[06:29] <mrtimbo> hi
[06:29] <arrrghhh> flaccid: yes i have... "screens found, but none have a usuable configuration"
[06:30] <arrrghhh> and "failed to load the NVIDIA knernel module"
[06:31] <flaccid> arrrghhh: ok did you do a kernel upgrade recently? if so you need to reinstall the restricted driver via restricted-manager
[06:32] <arrrghhh> flaccid: i only have a cli, so i can do that via apt-get right?
[06:32] <flaccid> yeah
[06:32] <flaccid> um
[06:32] <arrrghhh> and this is a fresh install of kubuntu 7.10...
[06:32] <flaccid> purge and then reinstall any *nvidia* packages would be the easiest way in this case
[06:33] <arrrghhh> ok
[06:33] <flaccid> well you might be better to change xorg.conf to use the vesa driver to get into X then use restictd-manager to fix it up and reinstall the restricted driver
[06:33] <flaccid> and this is nvidia's fault unfortunately
[06:34] <arrrghhh> yea they support linux... but not very well.
[06:34] <dsmith_> bad nvidia bad!
[06:35] <dsmith_> i rather have bad nvidia over horrible ati
[06:35] <flaccid> this is true. both are BLOBs iirc
[06:36] <dsmith_> blobs?
[06:37] <arrrghhh> ja
[06:37] <arrrghhh> i'll try the restricted driver way, but last time that didn't work either.
[06:37] <flaccid> binary large objects
[06:37] <flaccid> yeah but we need to find out why it didn't work...
[06:37] <flaccid> otherwise you could be beating your head forever against the wall
[06:38] <flaccid> if it doesn't find the kernel mod then it needs to be reinstalled
[06:38] <arrrghhh> i don't think i have the restricted driver manager installed
[06:39] <ardchoille> arrrghhh: You installed from the Kubuntu 7.10 ISO ?
[06:39] <ardchoille> arrrghhh: System Settings > Advanced tab > Restricted Drivers
[06:40] <flaccid> ardchoille: i guess thats a kcmdshell thing and the restricted-manager-kde gives the qt frontend. do you know how to call what you just said by a command
[06:41] <arrrghhh> ardchoille: i don't have that
[06:41] <arrrghhh> yea, i installed from a 7.10 kubuntu iso
[06:41] <arrrghhh> it's still on this laptop
[06:41] <mani213> why do they gata make it so hard to get ati drivers
[06:41] <unix_infidel> anyone using mesk?
[06:42] <flaccid> mani213: licensing etc.
[06:42] <mani213> i tried pasted the comands the site says doesnt work
[06:42] <unix_infidel> aka the dapper deb?
[06:42] <flaccid> arrrghhh: if you are sure you don't have it in system settings, install the package restricted-manager-kde . but it should be there
[06:42] <unix_infidel> i'm essentialyl looking for a foobar2000 clone?
[06:42] <mrtimbo> what is kubuntu's serial key?
[06:43] <mrtimbo> jk I was asked this today
[06:43] <ardchoille> flaccid: kcmshell restricted-manager-kde
[06:43] <Lynoure> mrtimbo: that's exactly what it is, joke artwork...
[06:44] <arrrghhh> flaccid: i found the packages that needed to be installed... i purged them earlier.
[06:44] <ardchoille> arrrghhh: try this from a terminal: kdesu kcmshell restricted-manager-kde
[06:45] <flaccid> thank you
[06:46] <ardchoille> flaccid: kcmshell --list
[06:46] <ardchoille> :)
[06:46] <flaccid> dang
[06:46] <flaccid> nice
[06:46] <ardchoille> flaccid: fyi, kcontrol is gone in kde4, system settings is the default.
[06:47] <flaccid> ardchoille: unfortunately for that kcmshell command you need restricted-manager-kde package
[06:47] <ubuntu> hello
[06:47] <flaccid> ah ok cool thanks ardchoille
[06:47] <ardchoille> flaccid: Isn't that installed by default in 7.10?
[06:47] <ubuntu> can some one help?
[06:47] <arrrghhh> flaccid: ok it said computer needs restarter... i went to the menu and hit restart.
[06:47] <ardchoille> ubuntu: help with what?
[06:47] <arrrghhh> ubuntu: just ask my friend
[06:47] <flaccid> i believe it when you said the other day ardchoille but it doesn't appear so. need that package. i didn't think it would be duplicated
[06:48] <flaccid> cool arrrghhh
[06:48] <ubuntu> i had a windows error
[06:48] <flaccid> its weird how they didn't make it default considering this is the number 1 problem
[06:48] <ardchoille> flaccid: iirc, restricted manager is installed with Gutsy
[06:49] <ubuntu> wehn i start my computer i get "<windows root>\system32\hal.dll is missing or corrupt" and its effecting Ubuntu
[06:49] <ubuntu> on my system
[06:49] <arrrghhh> and it kicked me back to a cli login... no gui.  it broke X just like the official nvidia installer did as well.
[06:49] <flaccid> !info restricted-manager
[06:49] <ubotu> restricted-manager: manage non-free hardware drivers - GNOME frontend. In component restricted, is optional. Version 0.33.1 (gutsy), package size 38 kB, installed size 316 kB
[06:49] <arrrghhh> same error, screens found but none with a usable configuration.
[06:49] <flaccid> is optional..
[06:50] <ardchoille> ubuntu: Ubuntu? You should be in #ubuntu but that sounds like a Windows problem
[06:50] <flaccid> arrrghhh: um yes, but did the nv module error go away.. ?
[06:50] <flaccid> arrrghhh: do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg now then try
[06:51] <flaccid> otherwise paste /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to look at
[06:51] <ubuntu> how can i get my system to run at least one operating system without removing anyfiles?
[06:51] <ardchoille> flaccid: Well, the restricted manager always gets installed with the system here, 11 computers.
[06:51] <flaccid> ardchoille: didn't on mine and the package is optional. when i removed it i lost it.
[06:52] <flaccid> ubuntu: what is your actual problem. the answer to your question is have a bootable OS installed.
[06:52] <ubuntu> never mind
[06:52] <flaccid> fair enough
[06:52] <ubuntu> i'll just run off the CD's
[06:52] <flaccid> whatever that means :o
[06:53] <flaccid> i wish i could understand peoples vague questions :)
[06:54] <arrrghhh> after the dpkg-reconfigure and a reboot, i get a "cannot display this configuration" on my monitor...
[06:55] <flaccid> arrrghhh: [17:51] <flaccid> otherwise paste /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to look at
[06:55] <flaccid> pastebin that is
[06:55] <david_J> What packages do I need to install to get konqueror to automount cdrom device?
[06:55] <arrrghhh> it didn't ask me any questions.
[06:55] <ardchoille> flaccid: I was just about tho repeat that :)
[06:55] <david_J> I am running fluxbox cause I have a weak computer..
[06:55] <flaccid> hehe
[06:55] <arrrghhh> hrm i do'
[06:55] <david_J> I like konqueror
[06:55] <flaccid> david_J: none
[06:56] <arrrghhh> sorry, didn't mean to hit enter.
[06:56] <david_J> really
[06:56] <flaccid> yeah hal looks after that stuff
[06:57] <david_J> okay I had to re put in the cdrom
[06:57] <david_J> thanks
[06:57] <david_J> people in ubuntu were kinda rude... Sorry I couldn't run gnome
[06:58] <flaccid> cool np
[06:58] <flaccid> flaccid is going to be pretty drunk soon. ah well heh
[07:01] <biovore> a drunk flaccid is a happy flaccid
[07:01] <biovore> :-P
[07:01] <flaccid> lol, this is true, well usually
[07:01] <flaccid> ok time for some air. bbs.
[07:08] <arrrghhh> i got it working... restricted drivers worked 2nd time around.  thanks guys.
[07:10] <flaccid> np
[07:12] <evjunior09> Anyone know how to install Gtkpod?
[07:12] <flaccid> !find gtkpod
[07:12] <ubotu> Found: gtkpod, gtkpod-aac
[07:12] <flaccid> !info gtkpod
[07:12] <ubotu> gtkpod: manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.99.10-2 (gutsy), package size 695 kB, installed size 2620 kB
[07:12] <evjunior09> is there a Sudo?
[07:12] <flaccid> evjunior09: enable universe repos and install via adept or any pkg manager
[07:12] <flaccid> there is sudo and kdesuo etc.
[07:13] <flaccid> !root | evjunior09
[07:13] <ubotu> evjunior09: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[07:20] <evjunior09> Does anyone know if Gtkpod works with iPod Touch
[07:20] <execut> hello
[07:21] <maduser> hi
[07:22] <evjunior09> Can the iPod Touch work with gtkpod?
[07:24] <Linux_Galore> evjunior09: yes, but i found amarok is easier
[07:25] <Linux_Galore> libgpod was updated recently to support the new iPODS
[07:25] <Linux_Galore> both amarok and gtkpod use the same lib
[07:26] <michi> !german
[07:26] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:28] <SudoKing> hi, how do you find your current KDE version? :P
[07:29] <Lynoure> SudoKing: any KDE app, Help -> About KDE
[07:29] <flaccid> SudoKing: right click the kmenu and goto help | about
[07:29] <execut> !turkish
[07:29] <ubotu> Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[07:29] <SudoKing> mmk
[07:42] <Fatih_Akdeniz> hi
[08:32] <ubuntu> nakkel
[08:32] <ubuntu> ?
[08:41] <jezze|> miten pystyn rekisteröityy?!
[08:41] <jezze|> kiitoss
[08:42] <yesdup> Merry Christmas to one and all and thanks to everyone who helped give us Kubuntu it ROCKS!!
[08:53] <liz> Hi?
[08:54] <ardchoille> hi liz
[08:54] <liz> wow was beginning to think it was head in here
[08:54] <Stalk3r> Anyone know of software to convert a quicktime MP4 file to something I can burn onto a DVD for television viewing?
[08:54] <liz> dead*
[08:54] <jussi01> liz: its christmas eve,what do you expect?
[08:55] <Fatih_Akdeniz> hi
[08:55] <liz> honestly I had no idea what to expect
[08:55] <Stalk3r> Oh yeah, Merry Holidays, everyone!
[08:55] <jussi01> !fi | jezze|
[08:55] <ubotu> jezze|: Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[08:56] <jussi01> Stalk3r: vlc does it I think.
[08:56] <Stalk3r> jussi01: thanks
[08:56] <Stalk3r> I'll try that
[08:57] <liz> I can't seem to get ndiswrapper1.5 to install
[08:58] <liz> grrr
[08:58] <jussi01> liz: whats the issue?
[08:58] <ardchoille> !info ndiswrapper
[08:58] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper does not exist in gutsy
[08:58] <fredo> salut
[08:58] <fredo> qua
[08:58] <fredo> stion
[08:58] <jussi01> !fr | fredo
[08:58] <ubotu> fredo: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:59] <jussi01> liz: is it for broadcom?
[08:59] <fredo> merci
[08:59] <jussi01> :)
[08:59] <liz> for Atheros AR5007EG
[08:59] <jussi01> liz: is there not native support for atheros?
[08:59] <liz> Running Kubuntu 64bit
[08:59] <liz> not for the 5007
[09:00] <liz> 5006 yes
[09:00] <jussi01> liz: ouch
[09:00] <liz> works beautifully on my Asus F3KA-A1
[09:00] <ardchoille> !search ndiswrapper
[09:00] <ubotu> Found: ndiswrapper
[09:00] <jussi01> !ndiswrapper
[09:00] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:00] <liz> not so much on my Asus F3KA-X2
[09:03] <liz> Trying to get the wireless in Kubuntu working before my sister (Liz) leaves for arizona later today
[09:03] <liz> I'm Isaac btw, sorry I didn't mention it earlyier
[09:05] <liz> unfortunately my Linux skills leave something to be desired
[09:06] <liz> to take it from the top:
[09:06] <liz> I'm working from this guide
[09:06] <liz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread?t=512828
[09:06] <tjeerd> Hello, I have a (beginners) question: What is the usual directory where shared files for all users on the same machine are stored?
[09:07] <TimS> Is there a gui bootsplash changer?
[09:07] <liz> I downloading the latest version by pasting: wget http://wifix.sourceforge.net/software.php?title=ndiswrapper into the console
[09:07] <tjeerd> (For instance: music, video's, pictures etc available to all users)
[09:09] <liz> extracted the archive: tar xvf ndiswrapper-1.5.tar.gz
[09:10] <liz> ran this command: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential
[09:12] <flaccid> tjeerd: there is no such thing
[09:12] <faolan> okay, how usable is KDE4 in the Kubuntu repos?
[09:12] <flaccid> usable enough
[09:12] <liz> changed to the ndiswrapper directory: cd ndiswrapper-1.5
[09:13] <liz> ran: sudo make uninstall
[09:13] <jussi01> liz: ndiswrapper 1.9 is in the repos...
[09:13] <faolan> then i guess i'll give it a shot
[09:13] <liz> ok
[09:14] <jussi01> liz: the broadcom instuctions tell you how to get it
[09:14] <giuseppe> hi, how can I mount NFS partition?
[09:14] <jussi01> !broadcom
[09:14] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[09:15] <faolan> broadcom is a dissapointment. i mean how hard can it be to make hardware that is standards compatible?
[09:15] <jussi01> !ot | faolan
[09:15] <ubotu> faolan: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:15] <flaccid> its never a matter of difficulty. open and standard is easier :) well usually
[09:15] <liz> investigating -- I thought the latest version was 1.51....
[09:15] <flaccid> well it relates to kubuntu definately
[09:16] <tjeerd> OK, thanks for the info flaccid. Is there a standard that people use for sharing files locally?
[09:16] <hrm> hallo.....
[09:16] <flaccid> !samba | tjeerd
[09:16] <ubotu> tjeerd: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:16] <flaccid> de facto standard yes
[09:16] <flaccid> local on lan i assume you mean
[09:17] <Stalk3r> Wow, vlc look slike kaka
[09:17] <Stalk3r> looks like*
[09:18] <tjeerd> But I wanna share files on a local kubuntu machine, not between Linux and Windows.
[09:18] <flaccid> !perms | tjeerd
[09:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about perms - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:18] <flaccid> hmm
[09:19] <flaccid> !permissions
[09:19] <faolan> never was a fan of VLC there's some program like Cocaine or Kaffeine that I like to use that works good for video
[09:19] <ubotu> An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[09:19] <jussi01> tjeerd: just make the folder and files accessable by all
[09:19] <faolan> for audio it's Amarok
[09:19] <Xcell> lol cociane
[09:19] <flaccid> tjeerd: so depending on the source, its file permissions that let other users access files
[09:19] <pag> giuseppe, are you trying to mount NFS (network file share) or NTFS ("windows filesystem") ?
[09:19] <flaccid> !nfs | giuseppe
[09:19] <ubotu> giuseppe: nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[09:20] <Stalk3r> Kaffeine and KMplayer view the file just fine but Vlc doesn't and I need to convert it to another format in order to burn it to DVD for the TV
[09:20] <tjeerd> OK, than I'll just create a user "share" that has the shared files with access 777
[09:20] <Stalk3r> and of course I use Amarok for audio. ;)
[09:21] <faolan> Xcell: it's been a long day. 9 hours in a wal-mart kills brain cells
[09:21] <Xcell> lol
[09:21] <jussi01> Stalk3r: try avidemux
[09:21] <Xcell> I know
[09:22] <Stalk3r> jussi01: ok, thanks, I'll try that
[09:22] <Xcell> merry xmas
[09:22] <ardchoille> hi Xcell
[09:22] <Xcell> hi ardchoille
[09:22] <Xcell> happy holiday ardchoille
[09:22] <hrm> FLZ HELP ME.. Need configuration SQUID & DANSGUARDIAN
[09:23] <hrm> FLZ HELP ME.. Need configuration SQUID & DANSGUARDIAN
[09:23] <ardchoille> Xcell: Right back at ya :)
[09:23] <flaccid> hrm: lots on google for that. don't repeat
[09:23] <Xcell> gotta run. talk later.
[09:23] <faolan> well i'm off to bed. gotta snooze.
[09:23] <liz> well got ndiswrapper working
[09:23] <jussi01> liz: :)
[09:23] <liz> uninstalled it in adept and then reinstalled it
[09:24] <liz> now to try the driver......
[09:25] <risto> How could i restore the default font settings ?
[09:26] <liz> I *really* hope after typing: ndiswrapper -i net5211.inf, getting 20+ forcing parameter MapRegisters from 256 to 64 was ok.
[09:31] <flaccid> seeyas
[09:32] <Stalk3r> jussi01: it's a beautiful thing, thanks so much, Happy Holidays!
[09:33] <liz> well "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" yielded this the first time around "FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/ubuntu/misc/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko': No such file or directory"
[09:34] <liz> so I ran "sudo depmod -ae"
[09:34] <liz> now I get "FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found."
[09:35] <liz> I head Microsoft and cohorts whispering into my ear to install Windows
[09:37] <Hamra> liz: close your head then, its evil's sound
[09:40] <giuseppe> ubotu: Sorry for late answer... I wanna mount NTFS windows partition
[09:42] <pag> giuseppe, local partition, or is it shared over internet?
[09:43] <jussi01> !bot > giuseppe
[09:43] <giuseppe> pag: local partition
[09:44] <giuseppe> I was reading @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[09:45] <pag> giuseppe, a command " sudo fdisk -l " will list your partitions. could you tell, which device ( /dev/sd* ) do you want to mount?
[09:45] <kolja> hi all Q: installing kde4 on ma ubuntu+kde i got errors: package (examples kdebase-runtime-data vs kde4addons-data) create same files (ex. renaudiodlg.desktop) generating a broken pipe in dpkg
[09:45] <pag> !ntfs | giuseppe
[09:45] <ubotu> giuseppe: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[09:46] <liz> ok I'm going to Windows(XP) now.  At least it works there.
[09:46] <giuseppe> pag: dev/sda1
[09:46] <noaXess> !mouse
[09:46] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[09:46] <jussi01> !brokenkde4 | kolja
[09:46] <ubotu> kolja: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[09:47] <liz> maybe when I sister gets back from Vacation I'll try again, but I am WAY past tired of farking aroung in Kubuntu with the WiFi.
[09:47] <pag> giuseppe, ok. please, pastebin ( http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org  ) your /etc/fstab  (you can view it with command: cat /etc/fstab )
[09:49] <pag> giuseppe, and remember to give link to your paste ;)
[09:49] <kolja> ubotu: thnx.. i'm doing it
[09:49] <kolja> ahahah
[09:51] <risto> How could i restore the default font settings ?
[09:51] <giuseppe> pag
[09:52] <giuseppe> pag: I pasted etc/fstab content... but do u see it?
[09:52] <pag> giuseppe, you've got to give link to it (in adressbar of your browser)
[09:53] <ardchoille> I know you can send your username to the clipboard with "dcop klipper klipper setClipboardContents $(whoami)" but that doesn't work with $(cat /etc/fstab)
[09:55] <giuseppe> pag: sorry, be patiente please :).... I opened this link http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org, and now I have to paste
[09:55] <giuseppe> pag: etc/fstab content in text field?
[09:55] <ardchoille> giuseppe: yes
[09:56] <giuseppe> pag: done... and now
[09:57] <ardchoille> giuseppe: Now give us the link that pastebin gave you so we can see what you pasted
[09:57] <pag> giuseppe, copy text from your adressbar ( the one which reads http://.... ) and paste that link in here
[09:58] <giuseppe> pag: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49466/
[09:58] <giuseppe> pag: ohhh, great toll this pastebin... useful
[10:00] <noaXess> !mouse
[10:00] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[10:01] <giuseppe> pag: are u able to see it?
[10:01] <pag> giuseppe, first do the following command " sudo mkdir /media/windows " then press alt+f2 and type " kdesudo kate /etc/fstab "  then copy that http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49467/ line to the end of the file (start a new line) and save the file
[10:01] <pag> giuseppe, yup. saw it perfectly :)
[10:02] <pag> then, the command " sudo mount -a " should mount that parition, and you will be able to see its contents
[10:03] <giuseppe> pag:
[10:03] <giuseppe> pag: done, and noe mount -a?
[10:03] <pag> giuseppe, yes
[10:04] <giuseppe> pag: great... you were right
[10:04] <giuseppe> pag: but strange, I follow I similar giude
[10:05] <giuseppe> pag: but probably I was wrong about etc/fstab content
[10:06] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:06] <pag> hello slow-motion :-)
[10:07] <slow-motion> hi pag
[10:07] <giuseppe> pag: sorry, but now I will be able to see NTFS partition also @ next restart?
[10:07] <pag> giuseppe, yes :-)
[10:07] <ardchoille> giuseppe: You should if it's in /etc/fstab
[10:08] <giuseppe> pag: ok, I see... Thanks
[10:08] <pag> giuseppe, also, if you want write acces to that partition, you could install ntfs-3g  and change ntfs to ntfs-3g on that fstab line
[10:09] <ardchoille> pag: isn't ntfs writing a feature of the kernel now?
[10:10] <pag> ardchoille, I'm not quite sure actually :S I never tried to write ntfs myself
[10:10] <giuseppe> pag: oh... thanks
[10:14] <sjck> Somehow Safely remove of my new mp3player doesnt work alright http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/24010/ can anyone help? : (
[10:17] <sjck> Is there no way that I can force to remove safely, so the files stay on the mp3player?
[10:18] <florent> !fr
[10:18] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:18] <florent> it's ok
[10:21] <SSJ_GZ> sjck: Typing "sync" at a command-prompt should do the trick.
[10:49] <blackrose> hello
[10:50] <blackrose> is anybody here?
[10:50] <JohnFlux> nobody
[10:50] <blackrose> ohh
[10:50] <blackrose> wassup?
[10:51] <jussi01> blackrose: can we help?
[10:52] <blackrose> no thanks, everything's working fine on my Kubuntu system :)
[10:52] <jussi01> :)
[10:52] <blackrose> but thankyou anyways :)
[10:52] <blackrose> i love this OS :D
[10:53] <rothchild> "no thanks, everything's working fine on my Kubuntu system :)"  Don't you just hate it when that happens ;-)
[10:53] <jussi01> hehe
[10:53] <rothchild> I can help you break some stuff if you;re looking for something to do?
[10:54] <blackrose> :D
[10:54] <blackrose> yadadaaaa :D
[10:54]  * jussi01 breaks rothchild 
[10:54] <blackrose> maybe hmmm deleting the /usr/bin directory? :)
[10:54] <rothchild> oww!
[10:54] <blackrose> :D
[10:54] <blackrose> hey aahm merry christmas dudes :D
[10:55] <jussi01> come on, Kubuntu SUPPORT!!! ... not "how to break kubuntu in 60 seconds"
[10:55] <blackrose> :D
[10:55] <rothchild> have you got your windows disk ready blackrose ;-)
[10:56] <blackrose> yeah :) with Vista :D
[10:56] <blackrose> but i dunn use it :D
[10:56] <blackrose> i prefer kubuntu :D
[10:58] <hungrymouse> anyone know if there's a decent japanese IME for kubuntu?
[10:58] <jussi01> hungrymouse: IME?
[10:58]  * jussi01 hates acronyms
[10:58] <hungrymouse> jussi01: input method editor i believe. basically you type in english letters and it converts them into kana for you
[10:59] <Hamra> in one week, i've got 3 people giving me their laptops to remove vista and put XP on them! unfortunatly, none of them wanted to hear the slightest mention of linux no matter what! why are ppl so scared of it?
[10:59] <hungrymouse> Hamra: install linux and skin it to look like xp. they wont notice till they've got hooked.
[10:59] <jussi01> hungrymouse: ahhh
[11:00] <hungrymouse> and also, Hamra, people are scared because it's free and... well... unusual. anything free must have problems by many ppls definitions.
[11:00] <Hamra> lol
[11:03] <Hamra> firstly, most of them never realize there is OS other than M$, their first question would be "is older or newer than XP? i heard vista is the newest!". and when i mention free, they say, all of them start free, they dont even know what open source is
[11:04] <ardchoille> !ot
[11:04] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:06] <hungrymouse> thing about open source is it DOESNT MATTER if you cant understand any of the actual source. the fact that its creator is prepared to release the source means that they're confident that it's not gonna embarrass them.
[11:06] <jari> hi, I have question about USB mic and drivers
[11:06] <jussi01> jari: go ahead!
[11:07] <jari> any advice on what to do in order to get the USB microphone working?
[11:07] <jari> I have so far only used a basic mic but this is logitech's USB mic
[11:08] <jussi01> jari: usually they just work - but you need to select it in the program - which program are you using fo mic input? skype?
[11:08] <jussi01> jari: my logitec works fine.
[11:09] <jari> audacity
[11:09] <hungrymouse> jari: in general things seem to work with linux. i'm currently connected to 2 external HDDs and they both say that they are only for use with windows. i didnt even need to download extra drivers xD
[11:09] <jussi01> jari: one moment while i install audacity and have a look.
[11:10] <jari> thanks
[11:10] <homercycles> Does anybody know of any trickery to get the regular expression match working when setting a window-specific setting in KDE for a particular window and matching on the window's title?  I'm trying to remember the window position of the Thunderbird read message window but it keeps loading at the extreme top/right of the screen and it's bugging me to tears :-(
[11:10] <jussi01> !nickspam > Jezzee|
[11:11] <homercycles> Regexes I've tried are:    m/\s-\sThunderbird$/    and    " - Thunderbird$"  (I have no idea of the syntax KDE expects, and the "edit" button to edit the regex doesn't work, either)
[11:11] <pag> jari, Audacity has some problems with arts, so disabling it (kcontrol -> sound -> sound system) might help
[11:12] <jussi01> homercycles: I beleive you can change it with a gui in system settings -> window behavior
[11:12] <hungrymouse> jussi01, i think the syntax is !nickspam | Jezzee|
[11:13] <jussi01> !nickspam > hungrymouse
[11:13] <hungrymouse> (pipe insted of right triangle)
[11:13] <jussi01> :)
[11:13] <ardchoille> :)
[11:13] <hungrymouse> oh, it sends a pm :P
[11:13] <hungrymouse> didnt kno that one lol
[11:13] <homercycles> GUI doesn't load when using the System Settings version of that either, jussi01 :-(
[11:15] <jari> pag, im unable to find arts from there
[11:15] <jari> I have krec as well and krecord
[11:15] <pag> jari, just uncheck "Enable the Sound System"
[11:16] <pag> jari, oh.. try with them then, instead of Audacity.
[11:16] <Hamra> what can i do if the title bar of a windows appeared above the screen? i can maximise \ from the taskbar, but i want it "restore", and move it around :S
[11:16] <jussi01> jari: ok, have you tried Audacity - edit -> preferences - select logitec from there for the recoding device
[11:17] <jussi01> Hamra: just right click on the item in the task bar and click move
[11:17] <homercycles> I might go for a centered window placement by default instead of Smart
[11:17] <jussi01> homercycles: I much prefer that
[11:17] <homercycles> I would prefer it if Linux could just remember the position of the window and not mess with it, much the same as Windows XP does
[11:18] <homercycles> I have managed to configure settings for most of my common windows so that they appear in places where I want them, but this Thunderbird message window regex just won't play ball
[11:19] <jari> jussi01: I was able to select the mic but now audacity says what it cannot open the device
[11:19] <jussi01> jari: make sure nothing else is using it - like amarok etc
[11:22] <jari> jussi01: ok there shouldnt be anything using it, the recording was possible while there was no mic before but that should mean the devices are free
[11:24] <homercycles> I got the regex working if I just type "Thunderbird$" (without the quotes)... getting it to match " - " before the Thunderbird isn't so easy, it seems
[11:25] <homercycles> \s matches a space, and I didn't think a dash was a special character, but I tried escaping it anyway. Still no match
[11:25] <jari> should I go with sound system enabled or disabled?
[11:27] <jari> brb, going to boot
[11:28] <jussi01> doh
[11:31] <jussi01> jari: I figured it out
[11:31] <jari> great
[11:32] <jussi01> jari: just go to prefs again, and just below the place you select the mic, choose 1 channel -mono
[11:32] <jari> funny I just did that and now it records but no sound
[11:33] <jussi01> jari: go to kmix, and make sure mic boost is on, and the mic volume is turned up
[11:33] <jari> jussi01: I just did that , too, the mic had its own settins there and its now turned up
[11:35] <jussi01> jari: so is it working now?
[11:35] <jari> sorry no it isnt
[11:35] <jussi01> jari: ok, so when you went to kmix, did you select the logitec from the dropå down?
[11:35] <jari> yep
[11:35] <jussi01> gah, stupid swedish å
[11:36] <jussi01> jari: ok, and the little red light for the mic is on?
[11:36] <jari> its called AK5370 ...
[11:36] <jari> yes
[11:36] <jussi01> hmmm
[11:37] <jussi01> jari: it should just work - try playing with different settings. mine works fine here
[11:40] <jari> ok thanks so far however
[11:40] <jussi01> jari: sorri I cpouldnt be more helpful
[11:41] <jussi01> jari: one more thing to try, type: alsamixer in konsole and play there
[11:41] <jari> ok thanks
[11:42] <jari> I wonder if the usb port matters
[11:42] <jussi01> jari: I doubt it
[11:43] <jussi01> the fact its recording from the device just tells me it is muted somewhere
[11:43] <jussi01> jari: check your volumes everywhere
[11:43] <jari> it shows always usb hw 1,0 in audacity no matter in what port it is so I wonder if linux rechecks the usb
[11:44] <jussi01> jari: yes, thats corect behaviour
[11:44] <jari> ok
[11:45] <jussi01> jari: Im certain its a volume thing - something is muted or not selected somewhere.
[11:47] <wubuntu> hi, I've a problem during installation of kde4: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4_4%3a3.97.0-1ubuntu5~gutsy1~ppa3_all.deb
[11:47] <wubuntu> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)   Can anybody help me?
[11:47] <jussi01> !brokenkde4 | wubuntu
[11:47] <ubotu> wubuntu: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[11:48] <wubuntu> ok, I'll try that
[11:49] <jussi01> :)
[11:50] <jari> ok thanks for everything
[11:59] <wubuntu> IT WORKS! THANX and Merry Christmas! :-D
[11:59] <jussi01> wubuntu: np's :)
[12:01] <effie_jayx> Hello all I just switched to kubuntu :D
[12:02] <jussi01> effie_jayx: Cool!
[12:02] <ardchoille> effie_jayx: Good job!
[12:02] <jussi01> effie_jayx: do you have some q's for us?
[12:03] <effie_jayx> jussi01: not yet... I had playd with it for a while... on a live cd
[12:03] <jussi01> effie_jayx: :)
[12:03] <effie_jayx> I have used ubuntu for two years
[12:03] <effie_jayx> so I can get around... I guess :D
[12:03] <jussi01> effie_jayx: yeps, I remembere you ;)
[12:03] <effie_jayx> jussi01: really ?
[12:04] <jussi01> effie_jayx: youve been around in other places I hang out ;)
[12:04] <effie_jayx> jussi01:  is hter a menu editor i ked
[12:05] <effie_jayx> I need to leave out the gnome apps from the KDE menu
[12:06] <jussi01> effie_jayx: right click on the panel -> configure panel -> menus
[12:07] <ubunturos> I downloaded rfc's from repos. It does not appear in the help menu. where did it go?
[12:08] <jussi01> ubunturos: what is rfc?
[12:08] <ubunturos> jussi01: Request For Comments - a standard doc that specifies rules / notes
[12:09] <florent> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49473/
[12:09] <florent> How install my gaphic card ?
[12:10] <jussi01> florent: kmenu -> system settings -> advanced -> restricted drivers
[12:11] <_cj> why does the man page formatting in kubuntu suck so bad?  i get lots of strange charactors
[12:11] <_cj> like a with an accent in perldoc LWP
[12:18] <wubuntu> ok, next problem::P /var/cache/apt/archives/kde4base-data_3.94.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[12:18] <wubuntu>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kde4base_3.94.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[12:18] <wubuntu>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeartwork-misc-kde4_4%3a3.96.0-1ubuntu1~gutsy1_all.deb
[12:18] <wubuntu>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeartwork-emoticons-kde4_4%3a3.96.0-1ubuntu1~gutsy1_all.deb
[12:18] <wubuntu>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeartwork-style-kde4_4%3a3.96.0-1ubuntu1~gutsy1_i386.deb
[12:18] <wubuntu>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeartwork-theme-icon-kde4_4%3a3.96.0-1ubuntu1~gutsy1_all.deb
[12:18] <wubuntu>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdewallpapers-kde4_4%3a3.96.0-1ubuntu1~gutsy1_all.deb
[12:18] <wubuntu>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kscreensaver-kde4_4%3a3.96.0-1ubuntu1~gutsy1_i386.deb
[12:18] <wubuntu> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:19] <SSJ_GZ> wubuntu: Use pastebin in future, please.
[12:19] <wubuntu> sorry
[12:19] <jpatrick> !paste > wubuntu
[12:20] <wubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49475/
[12:20] <wubuntu> better? :-D
[12:21] <jussi01> wubuntu: much :)
[12:21] <wubuntu> allright. any solutions?
[12:23] <ardchoille> wubuntu: Is that German? It's a beautiful language but many here don't speak it. Can you translate some of that?
[12:24] <wubuntu> ok, which words should I translate?
[12:24] <ardchoille> wubuntu: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ? That might help.
[12:25] <wubuntu> sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49476/
[12:27] <ardchoille> wubuntu: Ok, looks like you're having trouble with the kde4 stuff
[12:27] <wubuntu> hmm
[12:27] <ardchoille> !kde4
[12:27] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[12:28] <ardchoille> That's not it
[12:28] <ardchoille> !brokenkde4
[12:28] <ubotu> If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[12:28] <ardchoille> There it is
[12:28] <slow-motion> re
[12:28] <effie_jayx> I just installed kubuntu-desktop, I have removed all kde apps from the gnome menu. now is there a list of apps for kde, I need to sort the KDE system entries  and the GNOME ones
[12:29] <ardchoille> effie_jayx: Did you know that kde apps run fine in gnome and vice versa?
[12:29] <wubuntu> yeah, I did that, the installation worked normal - but then I wanted to install kde4artwork and something like this - then I got the same problems
[12:29] <effie_jayx> ardchoille: I don know that
[12:30] <effie_jayx> ardchoille:  but I need to sort out the system apps
[12:30] <wubuntu> but now this command: sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') doesn't work anymore!
[12:30] <effie_jayx> stuff to configure...
[12:30] <ardchoille> effie_jayx: Understood, maybe someone can help with that, I don't use gnome
[12:30] <effie_jayx> I just need to know the kde ones
[12:32] <wubuntu> hmm, seems that it is a bigger prob...
[12:34] <wubuntu> no solutions?
[12:39] <jussi01> wubuntu: have you tried sudo apt-get install -f
[12:40] <fernando_> olaaaa
[12:40] <wubuntu> yep - same errors!
[12:40] <jussi01> wubuntu: no idea then
[12:40] <jussi01> !es | fernando_
[12:40] <fernando_> ay alguien?
[12:40] <ubotu> fernando_: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[12:40] <wubuntu> i cant remove the packages
[12:41] <wubuntu> so - cant use the package management any more in a proper way...sh**
[12:41] <jussi01> wubuntu: try: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:41] <wubuntu> did that: same erros
[12:42] <jussi01> wubuntu: bleh... not nice
[12:42] <wubuntu> why I must use a rc2? why i just cannot wait for the final? :-D
[12:43] <jussi01> wubuntu: try sudo dpkg -r kde4base kde4base-data kdeartwork-emoticons-kde4 kdeartwork-misc-kde4 kdeartwork-style-kde4 kdeartwork-theme-icon-kde4 kdewallpapers-kde4 kscreensaver-kde4
[12:44] <wubuntu> hmmm? it says that these packages are not installed???? *confused*
[12:45] <jussi01> wubuntu: huh?
[12:45] <wubuntu> what?
[12:45] <jussi01> wubuntu: ok, I really dont know anymore... go find stdin ... :P
[12:46] <wubuntu> stdin?
[12:46] <wubuntu> I installed these pakcages: kdebase-workspace kdebase-kde4 kdebase-runtime
[12:47] <jussi01> wubuntu: stdin did the packages up...
[12:47] <wubuntu> where can i find?
[12:48] <jussi01> wubuntu: he is in here if he is online... so you will have to wait...
[12:48] <wubuntu> allright - thanx for your help
[12:49] <anakin_> can someone please help me with this problem? ever since I've upgraded to gutsy, i am unable to browse the shares on my xp box.
[12:49] <anakin_> it gives me "session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_TYPE_NOT_GRANTED" error no matter what I do.
[12:50] <anakin_> here's the smb.conf in case you want to check it out-->> http://rafb.net/p/OXzWho25.html
[12:51] <jussi01> anakin_: its quite dead atm, so support may be slow in coming.
[12:51] <jussi01> however, have you googled the error?
[12:52] <anakin_> yeah, there seems to be a lot of cases. I've tried some of the suggestions i've found on the forums.
[12:52] <anakin_> the last one i tried included installing printers for unix on my xp box- didnt work that.
[12:54] <hungrymouse> i just got a load of really odd error messages being thrown from basically all my running applications when i logged on to my comp... something about being unable to find mime-types, and a lot of mention of octet streams. what on earth is it going on about?
[12:55] <jussi01> hungrymouse: its a present :P
[12:55] <DreadKnight> xD
[12:55] <hungrymouse> jussi01, really helpful ><
[12:55] <jussi01> hungrymouse: you need to be more specific, I was replying "in kind"
[12:56] <hungrymouse> also its not doing the little preview thing on the icons on the desktop, and when i mouseover a shell script file i got there, it gives me an error message insted of the info box thing.
[12:56] <schiste> hey. A weird thing happenned to me. When I use alt-tab to switch to another window nothing shows up and I automatically go to the next. Pretty annoying as I can't choose the window I want. Would anyone have an idea why is this happenning? I'm on gutsy without compi or anything alike.
[12:57] <anakin_> gah! why did i ever upgrade
[12:57] <marioXXX> hi
[12:57] <marioXXX> any chance to get flash up and running in Konq on amd64?
[12:57] <jussi01> !hi | marioXXX
[12:57] <ubotu> marioXXX: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:57] <jussi01> !flashissues
[12:57] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[12:58] <hungrymouse> jussi01, im being as specific as i can. the full text of the mouseover error thing is: could not find mime type [newline] application/octet-stream
[12:58] <hungrymouse> i have no idea what a mime type is.
[12:58] <tekteen> marioXXX: yes
[12:58] <jussi01> hungrymouse: screenshot ->  imagebin.ca
[12:58] <tekteen> marioXXX: u can download the tarball and install it
[12:58] <tekteen> !flash64
[12:58] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[12:59] <schiste> ok solved
[12:59]  * schiste sighs so stupid
[12:59] <jussi01> schiste: ??
[13:00] <hungrymouse> what the... i saved the image and then all the previews came back.... odd.
[13:00] <marioXXX> tekteen: hmm,  The new version of Flash is incompatible with Konqueror because it requires XEmbed (Launchpad Bug# 174343). 9.0.48.0 is the last version of flash to support Konqueror in its current state.
[13:00] <hungrymouse> i'll see if it happens again on reboot
[13:00] <jussi01> hungrymouse: ehhehehehehe
[13:00] <hungrymouse> jussi01: what you think the problem was?
[13:00] <tekteen> marioXXX: did not know that
[13:00] <schiste> jussi01 I solved my own problem and it was just a default parameter not activated
[13:00] <marioXXX> tekteen: oki
[13:00] <jussi01> hungrymouse: no idea, its just funny
[13:00] <drarem> wow, I'm banned from ubuntu
[13:00] <schiste> I just though about it 1 minute ago :::)
[13:01] <drarem> don't know what I did besides asking questions all the time
[13:01] <jussi01> drarem: have you been to #ubuntu-ops to discuss it?
[13:01] <drarem> no,  ty
[13:03] <hungrymouse> jussi01: it happened again :(
[13:03] <wubuntu> could older versions of e.g. amarok, dolphin etc. causes that problems? normally i'm using gnome
[13:03] <wubuntu> just added some qt-apps
[13:04] <hungrymouse> jussi01: i screenshotted the first round of errors, when i logged in. what's the url i should upload to?
[13:04] <jussi01> hungrymouse: imagebin.ca
[13:05] <hungrymouse> can linux get virusses?
[13:05] <jussi01> !virus | hungrymouse
[13:05] <ubotu> hungrymouse: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[13:07] <tekteen> hungrymouse: if u want a virus checker (to check windows in a dual boot) I suggest klamav
[13:07] <hungrymouse> jussi01: it seems to like stacking the error messages, but here's 2 of them. http://imagebin.ca/view/3Obtfi.html
[13:07] <hungrymouse> tekteen: my windows partition is clean, and i have mcafee running fine on that when i use it.
[13:08] <tekteen> hungrymouse: linux will find stuff windows cant
[13:08] <hungrymouse> tekteen: rly? i'll give that a try when i sort this then. but this isnt a windows virus problem for sure.
[13:09] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[13:09] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[13:09] <tekteen> hungrymouse: it has to do with the virus activly defending its self
[13:09] <jussi01> hungrymouse: have you googled the error? there are about 100000000000 entries for it... seems its a very common problem..
[13:09] <eagles0513875> someone on linux have a virus
[13:09] <tekteen> eagles0513875: no
[13:09] <hungrymouse> tekteen: whenever i've had a virus on windows i pulverise its registry stuff first and ask questions later.
[13:09] <tekteen> nice :-D
[13:10] <eagles0513875> i have had issues messing with registry
[13:10] <eagles0513875> reminds me of something i did back on win 98 lol
[13:10] <hungrymouse> registry hax is fun.
[13:10] <tekteen> I pulverize windows then ask lator
[13:10] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:10] <jussi01> !ot
[13:10] <eagles0513875> what kinda haxs u do hungry
[13:10] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[13:10] <tekteen> later *
[13:10] <eagles0513875> can someone tell me if the netbeanse ide is in the gutsy repo
[13:11] <jussi01> !info netbeans
[13:11] <ubotu> Package netbeans does not exist in gutsy
[13:11] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: apt-cache search netbeans
[13:11] <hungrymouse> incidentally, jussi01, i've found that if i rename a file, it will sort the error till next restart.
[13:11] <jussi01> !find netbeans
[13:11] <ubotu> Found: netbeans5.5, netbeans5.5-doc, netbeans5.5-ja, netbeans5.5-platform, netbeans5.5-platform-ja (and 4 others)
[13:11] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: i did that but im running feisty atm and its repos have 5.5
[13:11] <jussi01> eagles0513875: yes it is
[13:11] <eagles0513875> im slowly working to do a complete dist upgrade
[13:11] <eagles0513875> jussi01: ty
[13:11] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: Ah, ok
[13:11] <jussi01> !info netbeabs5.5
[13:11] <ubotu> Package netbeabs5.5 does not exist in gutsy
[13:12] <jussi01> !info netbeans5.5
[13:12] <ubotu> netbeans5.5: NetBeans IDE for development of applications in Java. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 5.5.1-2 (gutsy), package size 67449 kB, installed size 143624 kB
[13:12] <hungrymouse> ah, i think i know what might have caused the error. i added a file association to link JNLP files to java web start, and that might have upset things./
[13:12] <jussi01> hungrymouse: thatll do it
[13:12] <eagles0513875> O_o does that mean they have 5.5 and not 6.0
[13:13] <jussi01> eagles0513875: correcy
[13:13] <jussi01> eagles0513875: correct
[13:13] <eagles0513875> doh
[13:13] <eagles0513875> how do i go about getting it added to repo
[13:13] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: /join #ubuntu-motu
[13:14] <eagles0513875> j/w how does 1 go about creating their own repo
[13:14] <hungrymouse> jussi01: i've tried the first fix i found. restarting.
[13:15] <ardchoille> !aptrepo
[13:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aptrepo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:15] <eagles0513875> !apt repo
[13:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt repo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:15] <tekteen> !repo
[13:15] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[13:15] <jussi01> !ppa | eagles0513875
[13:15] <ubotu> eagles0513875: With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[13:15] <sigra_> Need help anyone.  I cannot get xine to install on kde using package manager.  it shows xine.  but its GREYED out so i cannot check it to install
[13:16] <ardchoille> sigra_: xine-ui
[13:16] <sigra_> apt-get install xine-ui?
[13:16] <ardchoille> sudo, yes
[13:16] <sigra_> k trying that..thank you
[13:16] <ardchoille> yw
[13:17] <hungrymouse> jussi01: that fix worked. i should have searched to start with, i know, but im not used to finding coherent answers online. i've been using windows till about a week ago.
[13:17] <jussi01> hungrymouse: google is one of your best friends ;)
[13:18] <eagles0513875> compared to an ati radeon xpress 200m how much better is an nvidia 6600gt on an nforce4 motherboard would WoW work on it
[13:19] <sigra_> ardchollie awesome thanks..worked like a charm!
[13:19] <awen_> sigra_: else i can recommend kmplayer, and it runs with xine as a backend
[13:20] <sigra_> working now...advice Ardchollie gave me fix my problem..but thank you awen
[13:20] <effie_jayx> what window decorator does kubuntu use
[13:20]  * effie_jayx is downloading themes...
[13:21] <ardchoille> sigra_: :)
[13:21] <sigra_> have good one guys.  going watch movies now heh
[13:21] <ardchoille> effie_jayx: If you mean window manager, kde uses kwin
[13:21] <ardchoille> I have a feeling he'll be back asking about dvdcss2
[13:22] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:22] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: what command do i need to run a .sh file
[13:23] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: sh file.sh
[13:23] <eagles0513875> do i just go to the cli and go to the place where its saved and type the name of it
[13:23] <eagles0513875> im downloading netbeans 6.0 and its got a .sh extension
[13:23] <effie_jayx> ardchoille:  so can I search for themes for kwin?
[13:23] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: or you can just open a terminal and so: sh /path/file.sh
[13:24] <eagles0513875> ok
[13:24] <ardchoille> effie_jayx: Lots of themes here: http://www.kde-look.org/
[13:24] <eagles0513875> comcast rocks. internet where i am t school in europe stinks
[13:24] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: If that netbeans .sh file is an installer, you may need to use sudo
[13:24] <eagles0513875> ok
[13:24] <effie_jayx> ardchoille:  that's where I'm at...
[13:24] <eagles0513875> im guessing it is
[13:24] <eagles0513875> ive never installed netbeans from a download before
[13:25] <effie_jayx> it reads ... native KDE 3.x... I guess :D
[13:25] <effie_jayx> guys... 45 minutes into Kubuntu... and loving it...
[13:25] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: its saying command not found
[13:26] <eagles0513875> glad to see a new convert
[13:26] <tekteen> eagles0513875: try bash instead of sh
[13:26] <Brick> first 45 minutes r easy
[13:26] <Brick> :-)
[13:26] <Nakkel> How do I enable propietary Flash on a fresh Gutsy install? The package flashplugin-nonfree doesnt seemt to install any .so files anywhere?
[13:26] <eagles0513875> welcome to the world of kubuntu and linux effie_jayx
[13:26] <DreadKnight> effie_jayx: i was annoyed by kde, loved gnome, but my hdd got broken one day.. and was running ubuntu from live cd... one day i scrathed the cd by accident.. was my last one... and i only had old version of kubuntu ... i started loving it xD
[13:27] <tekteen> !flashissue | Nakkel
[13:27] <ubotu> Nakkel: The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[13:27] <eagles0513875> i love the 64bit version i cant go back to 32 bit after going 64
[13:27] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875: I have used ubuntu for quite a while. and I decided to give kubuntu a whack... and it is kicking ass...
[13:27] <DreadKnight> Nakkel: it's broken . i heard it got fixed in alpha 2 (hardy), but it should work with swiftfox or firefox
[13:28] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: i hate to say it but kde is much better then gnome im sry to say
[13:29] <eagles0513875> i love how lil ram kubuntu uses and how fast the 64bit data throughouhput is
[13:29] <Nakkel> tekteen, DreadKnight: Ok thanks, will check those out.
[13:30] <eagles0513875> j/w anyone play WoW on here
[13:31] <eagles0513875> i need to start getting on the debugging band wagon lol
[13:31] <eagles0513875> only problem is i only know java lol
[13:31] <eagles0513875> im currently learning it
[13:32] <eagles0513875> has anyone tried kubuntu on a solid state drive
[13:32] <tekteen> eagles0513875: only on a flashdrive
[13:33] <zorglu_> q. im about to buy a computer and would like to check the compatibility of the graphic card driver, where should i look ?
[13:33] <ardchoille> zorglu_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[13:33] <eagles0513875> tekteen: how does that work
[13:33] <zorglu_> ardchoille: ok looking
[13:33] <tekteen> eagles0513875: what do u mean?
[13:33] <ardchoille> zorglu_: Which card is it?
[13:34] <eagles0513875> tekteen: how did u manage to install it on there
[13:34] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[13:34] <tekteen> I followed a guide. forgot which one
[13:34] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[13:34] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:35] <zorglu_> ardchoille: various alternative are possible. may be 'nvideo8600gt' or 'nvideo8600gs' or 'ati hd2400pro' or 'ati x1250'
[13:35] <awen_> zorglu_: what gfx card?
[13:35] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  what's the minimum ram aceptable for kubuntu?
[13:35] <eagles0513875> 320mb if u want a decent working desktop
[13:35] <eagles0513875> if not i think 64mb i could be wrong let me double check
[13:35] <_cj> where do core files go on ubuntu?
[13:36] <zorglu_> awen_: ardchoille: none of which is in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards
[13:36] <tekteen> _cj:which core files?
[13:36] <ardchoille> zorglu_: Have a look here for vid card driver how to's https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[13:36] <zorglu_> ardchoille: ok looking
[13:36] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: http://bw.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/gutsy/
[13:36] <eagles0513875> take a look at that
[13:36] <_cj> tekteen: a program i'm writing just cored but theres no core file in pwd
[13:37] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: u need a min of 320mb for a fully functional desktop
[13:37] <eagles0513875> more never hurts in all honesty the more u have the better the performance
[13:37]  * tekteen does not understand _cj
[13:38] <_cj> tekteen: which part isn't clear?
[13:38] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875: ahhh cool
[13:38]  * awen_ remember running kubuntu feisty on his old laptop with 192 mb ram
[13:38] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: y u ask u got an older system u wanna put it on
[13:38]  * tekteen thinks this is beyond him
[13:38] <_cj> tekteen: on most operating systems when a program cores it leaves a core dump in the current working directory
[13:38] <_cj> tekteen: on ubuntu it doesn't
[13:38] <eagles0513875> and urs didnt cj
[13:38] <zorglu_> ardchoille: do you haveanother link where i could know which card is supported. in ati and/or nvidia.
[13:39] <tekteen> _cj: it leaves it somewhere
[13:39] <eagles0513875> zorglu_: avoid ati
[13:39] <_cj> tekteen: so i gathered. the question is where?
[13:39] <tekteen> _cj: maybe in a sub dir of /var
[13:39] <zorglu_> eagles0513875: yep i heard this one before. i will :)
[13:39] <eagles0513875> zorglu_: i have to say though in gutsy its improved
[13:39] <tekteen> I will look
[13:39] <awen_> zorglu_ and eagles0513875, at least until we get a decent open source driver
[13:40] <eagles0513875> zorglu_: all i had to do when i first logged in check the drivers i want installed my video card and broadcom wifi card worked out of th ebox after restart
[13:40] <ardchoille> zorglu_: For nvidia: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html
[13:40] <tekteen> _cj: maybe /var/crash
[13:40] <eagles0513875> awen_: lol true i have to say for me gutsy has been a blessing
[13:40] <zorglu_> eagles0513875: what is the model of your graphic card ?
[13:40]  * tekteen does not program much
[13:40] <zorglu_> ardchoille: thanks looking
[13:41] <eagles0513875> zorglu_: in my laptop ati radeon xpress 200m integrated. in the desktop im on its a pci-e 6600gt
[13:41] <zorglu_> eagles0513875: ok
[13:41] <awen_> eagles0513875: i actually wish me back to my old laptop with an ati radeon 9600... they worked well with the open source driver
[13:41] <eagles0513875> im working on upgradeing myself from feisty to gutsy to see if it works that way for me
[13:41] <ardchoille> zorglu_: Don't use ati, I've always had better luck with nvidia cards
[13:41] <eagles0513875> awen_: what open source driver
[13:41] <ardchoille> s/Don't/I don't/
[13:41] <eagles0513875> zorglu_: i agree with ard on that
[13:41] <awen_> eagles0513875: just the ati/radeon driver
[13:42] <eagles0513875> prior to gutsy it got really messy for me black listing this moding the xorg.conf file
[13:42] <eagles0513875> prior to gutsy it got really messy for me black listing this moding the xorg.conf file
[13:42] <tekteen> ardchoille: I have been fine with ati cards
[13:42] <awen_> right now i have an x300 still using the ati/radeon driver... but performance is just poor
[13:42] <eagles0513875> tekteen: lol ur probably one in a million
[13:42] <eagles0513875> awen_: i have noticed that once i patch world of warcraft
[13:42] <zorglu_> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.03.html <- ok nvideo 8600gt is supported
[13:43] <eagles0513875> prior to patching it works fine then after fps really drops
[13:43] <eagles0513875> its kinda funny though in the past ive noticed that card maxed out at 30fps in WoW
[13:43] <eagles0513875> no i get sometimes with the latest ati drive bout 50fps
[13:43] <tekteen> eagles0513875: I was fine with ati cards before the restrict. driver manager
[13:43]  * awen_ agrees with tekteen... been using kubuntu it with 4 different ati cards now, without any large problems
[13:44] <hungrymouse> a friend of mine uses ati with (as far as i know) no problems.
[13:44] <hungrymouse> (on kubuntu)
[13:44] <tekteen> eagles0513875: I got a new card before the manager came out
[13:44] <eagles0513875> lucky my laptop i have had huge problems
[13:44] <awen_> but avoid fglrx if you can :)
[13:44] <tekteen> eagles0513875: now I have gotten lazy :-D
[13:44] <eagles0513875> ya had to use this wiki mod the xorg.conf black list fglrx and only god knows what else i had to do to enable direct rendering
[13:44] <eagles0513875> tekteen: we all have
[13:45] <eagles0513875> tekteen: im hoping to get better performance out of my 6600gt
[13:45] <eagles0513875> brb guys going to restart after updating my machine
[13:45] <tekteen> eagles0513875: I am thinking of becoming a traitor and try gentoo.
[13:45] <tekteen> trying*
[13:46] <eagles0513875> tekteen: lol dont make me hunt u down lol
[13:46] <DreadKnight> eagles0513875: i once tried fedora (werewolf) and got dissapointed
[13:47] <eagles0513875> DreadKnight: ive tried so many form suse 9 and 10 10 the 64 bit they r just resource  hogs
[13:47] <tekteen> DreadKnight: i used fedora before ubuntu
[13:47] <eagles0513875> ive even tried fedora and solaris
[13:47] <eagles0513875> !xid
[13:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xid - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:48] <eagles0513875> brb guys
[13:48] <DreadKnight> xD
[13:48] <tekteen> eagles0513875: I have tried all distros known to the world :-)
[13:48] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:48] <eagles0513875> i cant use anythign else
[13:48] <DreadKnight> tekteen: kubuntu ownz ye all!
[13:48] <tekteen> eagles0513875: I once tried gentoo
[13:48] <eagles0513875> kool
[13:48] <tekteen> eagles0513875: could not get it installed :-D
[13:48] <DreadKnight> kool xD
[13:48] <eagles0513875> hahaha
[13:49] <eagles0513875> i need to start working on developing a spin off clustering system based on kubuntu
[13:49] <tekteen> eagles0513875: I think I am smarter know
[13:49] <tekteen> now*
[13:49] <eagles0513875> lol ya not vry many good clustering distros out ther e
[13:49] <eagles0513875> i have tried so many different ones
[13:49] <eagles0513875> they all sux
[13:49] <eagles0513875> brb
[13:50] <tekteen> by guys
[13:50] <tekteen> bye*
[13:50] <DreadKnight> bye :)
[13:51] <kadargo> hy kubuntus.... i got the known issue with updating libqt3-mt in gusty..... anybody knows a solution ?
[13:51] <hrbsky> ??????
[13:51] <kadargo> are the ???s for me ?
[13:51] <kadargo> ;)
[13:52] <fudus> is there a way of changing the mouse wheel setting to "whole pagE" like windows?
[13:52] <eagles0513875> im back
[13:53] <awen_> fudus: you can change the number of lines in the system settings
[13:53] <eagles0513875> damn java based ide's
[13:53] <kadargo> okkk....... it seems that nobody cares...
[13:53] <DreadKnight> kadargo: give more details
[13:53] <eagles0513875> what i miss
[13:54] <ardchoille> kadargo: Or maybe the folks who are looking at their screen right now don't have a solution
[13:54] <awen_> eagles0513875: no, you miss a lot of ram if you have them :)
[13:54] <fudus> awen_: I can only set it to 12
[13:54] <eagles0513875> awen_: i know lol. i have no choice i have to do this java course as part of my degree
[13:54] <fudus> How can I set it huigher?
[13:55] <awen_> eagles0513875: but have you tried installing the netbeans 6 tarball manually in your home directory?
[13:55] <dondon10101984> its a known prob.... its also in the kubuntu.com forum
[13:55] <dondon10101984> but nobody seems to care about
[13:56] <eagles0513875> awen_: lol ya i have it installed but it would be nice to have in repos as well
[13:56] <_cj> eagles0513875: why do you need an IDE?
[13:56] <jtt> any ideas why the speaker has disappeared from the tray?
[13:56] <awen_> eagles0513875: i did that with netbeans 5.5 when it wasn't in the archives
[13:56] <eagles0513875> _cj: i use it for java and which is part of the degree im studing for
[13:56] <eagles0513875> awen_: i have it installed lol
[13:56] <nosrednaekim> jtt: run "kmix"
[13:56] <DreadKnight> jtt: alt + space and type kmix
[13:57] <_cj> eagles0513875: i did all the c and java on my degree just in vim
[13:57] <jtt> thanks guys will try it
[13:57] <eagles0513875> i like net beans
[13:57] <_cj> eagles0513875: bloat
[13:58] <awen_> time to wrap up some gifts
[13:58] <fudus> now way of setting it higher than 12? :/
[13:58]  * awen_ wishes everyone a merry christmas
[13:58] <eagles0513875> i have to say having it on a 64bit os and with plenty of ram
[13:59] <eagles0513875> merry xmas guys
[13:59] <awen_> fudus: i don't think so... if you are lucky there is a xorg.conf setting for it
[13:59] <eagles0513875> _cj: on windows maybe on a 64bit os not really
[13:59] <effie_jayx> I just tried installing kubuntu and I get this error ata1.00: execption Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
[13:59] <dondon10101984> ok.... see ya later folks thanks for the help... merry X-mas
[13:59] <nosrednaekim> effie_jayx: ouch, this is on boot?
[13:59] <effie_jayx> nosrednaekim:  yep
[13:59] <jtt> thanks speaker back in tray, now how do i test the mic input
[14:00] <etfb> effie_jayx: Disk problem, perhaps?  Are you sure your hard disk is stable and bug-free?
[14:00] <_cj> eagles0513875: bloat is bloat no matter what arch you run it on
[14:00] <nosrednaekim> effie_jayx: try booting with the "ide=nodma" option
[14:00] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: i was getting those too on an older machine which i wanna put kubuntu on
[14:00] <effie_jayx> nosrednaekim:  I install ... but doesn't boot
[14:01] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  how dod you go about it
[14:01] <nosrednaekim> effie_jayx: oh... you mean its alreaDY INSTALLED?
[14:01] <effie_jayx> nosrednaekim: yes
[14:01] <nosrednaekim> sorry, caps lock
[14:01] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: lol i got my newer machine instead nosrednaekimhad a good idea bout no dma ill have to try it
[14:02] <nosrednaekim> effie_jayx: well, you can still add that boot option
[14:02] <effie_jayx> nosrednaekim:  where ... grub?
[14:02] <master_> kubuntu is the best OS
[14:02] <nosrednaekim> effie_jayx: yes, press "e" to edit the boot entry...
[14:02] <nosrednaekim> then "b" toboot it
[14:03] <etfb> join #ada
[14:03] <etfb> (Oops, sorry.  Wanted to go see a channel I was told was REALLY nasty...)
[14:04] <eagles0513875> in order to be an motu what programming languages should one know
[14:04] <eagles0513875> etfb: TMI
[14:04] <effie_jayx> nosrednaekim:  which do I edit
[14:04] <effie_jayx> kernel ... initrd ... quiet?
[14:04] <nosrednaekim> effie_jayx: kernel
[14:04] <nosrednaekim> effie_jayx: well, really, you just add that to the end.
[14:05] <effie_jayx> ok
[14:05] <etfb> eagles0513875: Not THAT kind of nasty!  Ada is a programming language.  Someone mentioned on a blog that it was rather unpleasant to newbies, and I thought (since it's quiet here) I'd see if they were right.  But I digress.
[14:05] <eagles0513875> etfb: sry dude i didnt know it was a programming language
[14:06] <etfb> eagles0513875: Nobody does any more.  Be grateful you never tried it.  It makes Java look brief.
[14:07] <eagles0513875> etfb: lol speaking of java im learning it as part of my degree
[14:07] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  same problem
[14:07] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: do u have a floppy drive hooked up or not
[14:08] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: an internal one
[14:08] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  I do have a floppy drive
[14:08] <etfb> eagles0513875: Good luck.  I recommend learning Python at the same time as an antidote.  Any time you find yourself writing a forty-seven page function just to scratch yourself, you can implement it in Python in three lines to remind yourself that you're still a Real Programmer.
[14:08] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: do u use it
[14:08] <eagles0513875> etfb: lol next on my list to learn is c++
[14:09] <eagles0513875> or python not sure which. found a free online book which ill probably start going through ovr the summer
[14:09] <eagles0513875> the upgrading to gutsy x64 begins as we speak3
[14:10] <eagles0513875> shouldnt take me that long to download ovr 800 pkgs lol
[14:11] <etfb> eagles0513875: It's a good idea to branch out. C++ and Java are pretty much the same language, with superficial differences.  Try Forth, Perl, Prolog and Haskell; stretch your brain cells.  (Alternatively, if you hate your brain and want it to suffer, learn COBOL.)
[14:11] <eagles0513875> lol
[14:11] <eagles0513875> i think ill stretch my brain out wiht developing a java based os which already exists but im curious to try it
[14:11] <eagles0513875> its jnode.org is the site if anyone is interested
[14:16] <eagles0513875> i love how i can multitask on a 64bit os
[14:16] <nosrednaekim> 64 bit or 32 shouldn't make a difference for that.
[14:16] <intelikey> how does the os alter your ability to multi-task ?
[14:17] <nosrednaekim> well, windows certainly isn't good for multitasking.
[14:17] <nosrednaekim> but the architecture certainly shouldn't
[14:18] <intelikey> are you saying that windows requires too much attention ?
[14:18] <intelikey> multi-task = walk and chew gum at the same time.
[14:18] <nosrednaekim> i'm saying that it doesn't have multiple desktops... and other such productivity features.
[14:18] <nosrednaekim> like cubes ;) ...... just kidding..
[14:18] <eagles0513875> no
[14:19] <eagles0513875> 32 bit is ok 64bit suxs balls and the only 64bit version that kicks hiney is kubuntu which im running atm
[14:19] <_cj> eagles0513875: do you mean multithread?
[14:19] <eagles0513875> no not multithread
[14:19] <eagles0513875> this is a single core machine an athlon 64 3200+ 2ghz machine with 1gb ram and 160gb sata drive and a killer asus a8nsli premium motherboard
[14:20] <sivaji> knetwork manager is not working, my syslog file is here http://pastebin.com/f707fdd1 please  help me
[14:21] <eagles0513875> what would be nice right about now in this machine would be 8gb of pc3200 lol
[14:21] <eagles0513875> max out the amount of ram my motherboard can handle
[14:21] <eagles0513875> does anyone have a mac book or book pro
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> sivaji: no network...
[14:21] <sivaji> nosrednaekim what
[14:22] <_cj> i have 16G and 4 x Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) :o
[14:22] <nosrednaekim> sivaji: its not seeing any networks.
[14:22]  * nosrednaekim is half-way between with a Turion X2
[14:22] <sivaji> nosrednaekim i am connected to Airtel ISP network
[14:23] <nosrednaekim> sivaji: so you are connected but knetwork manager isn't seeing it?
[14:23] <sivaji> nosrednaekim why
[14:24] <nosrednaekim> sivaji: why what?
[14:24] <sivaji> actually it was working fine a few month back ,why its not working now
[14:25] <sivaji> why its not seeing my network
[14:25] <sivaji> how to make it to detect my network...
[14:25] <sivaji> nosrednaekim
[14:26] <nosrednaekim> sivaji: this is wireless right?
[14:26] <sivaji> nosrednaekim no i am using wired network
[14:27] <nosrednaekim> sivaji: and you cannot connect? are you on this computer right now?
[14:28] <sivaji> are that syslog is belong to computer which i am using now
[14:28] <sivaji> no are*
[14:28] <sivaji> that syslog is belong to computer which i am using now
[14:29] <nosrednaekim> sivaji: i'm confused.... can you get on the internet right now  on this computer that you are complaining about?
[14:29] <sivaji> yes
[14:30] <sivaji> otherwise i would not be here
[14:31] <nosrednaekim> sivaji: then what exactly is the problem?
[14:31] <sivaji> nosrednaekim knetwork manager is not working
[14:31] <sivaji> it says no active device found
[14:31] <nosrednaekim> sivaji: as long as your internet is working, why does it matter?
[14:32] <sivaji> nosrednaekim i want to know much data has been transfers because my download is limited
[14:33] <nosrednaekim> sivaji: check that with "ifconfig"
[14:34] <nosrednaekim> or ksysgaurd can even do it I think.
[14:35] <florent> My resolution is wrong and I can't change it. Xorg.conf looks like ok. Driver too.
[14:35] <eagles0513875> _cj: u know much bout the linux version of net beans
[14:35] <tekteen> !fixresolution
[14:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixresolution - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> !resolution
[14:36] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[14:36] <tekteen> !resolution
[14:36] <sivaji> nosrednaekim thanks for your suggestion
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> beatcha tekteen ;)
[14:36] <tekteen> nosrednaekim: no I beat u
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> but you had the wrong tip ;)
[14:37] <nosrednaekim> or maybe i'm just laggy XD
[14:37] <tekteen> nosrednaekim: my client says I beat u
[14:37] <eagles0513875> i didnt know net beans did uml as well as c++ and all that jazz
[14:37] <tekteen> lag
[14:38] <florent> ...
[14:39] <intelikey> tekteen it must be your lag.   i show nosrednaekim listed first  ;/
[14:39] <eagles0513875> !offtopic |tekteen nosrednaekim
[14:39] <ubotu> tekteen nosrednaekim: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[14:39] <eagles0513875> same with me
[14:39] <keith> does anybody know of a way to boot an iso (or an extracted ISO) with grub?
[14:40] <nosrednaekim> florent: sorry, does that help you or do you need something mroe?
[14:40] <intelikey> keith probably could with lilo
[14:40] <eagles0513875> keith: that would be interesting to see if it could be done
[14:40]  * tekteen is leaving to go skiing (really)
[14:40] <florent> something more =p
[14:40] <eagles0513875> tekteen: lucky u ur enjoying a white xmas lol
[14:40] <nosrednaekim> keith: its possible... I think.
[14:40] <nosrednaekim> florent: what video card do you have?was the resolution ever working correctly?
[14:41] <intelikey> nosrednaekim bios would have to be able to "boot it/read it"
[14:41] <florent> Always wrong
[14:41] <chemicalvamp> nosrednaekim turns out the command was right.. but the live cd i was running was corrupted
[14:41] <florent> nosrednaekim: It's a Nvidia
[14:41] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: lol, I get so many people coming through here that I don't remeber what you problem was..
[14:41] <nosrednaekim> florent: did you install the nvidia drivers?
[14:42] <florent> yes
[14:42] <monkee> need help i have a fujitsu tablet stylistic lt c-500  tryng to get touchscreen to work, xorg.cfg wacom stuff turned on, not sure serial port is read as is active... running kubunto 7.10
[14:42] <chemicalvamp> nosrednaekim hehe grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hda1/boot /dev/hda1 ring any bells?
[14:42] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: oh... you :D lol good job
[14:43] <chemicalvamp> yeah i have it the way i want it.. now to fix my old laptop without a cdrom drive.
[14:43] <nosrednaekim> florent: did you go into systemsettings->screens and graphics and try to increase your resolution? (if possible)
[14:43] <chemicalvamp> or even usb boot option
[14:43] <monkee> need help i have a fujitsu tablet stylistic lt c-500  tryng to get touchscreen to work, xorg.conf wacom stuff turned on, not sure serial port is read as is active... running kubunto 7.10
[14:43] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: netboot?
[14:44] <nosrednaekim> !wacom
[14:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wacom - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:44] <chemicalvamp> i have no idea how to do that
[14:44] <nosrednaekim> !touchscreen
[14:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about touchscreen - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:44] <tekteen> florent: u may need to edit xorg.conf
[14:44] <monkee> try working on a tablet with no interfaces and changing up hard drive with laptop and tablet to do anything
[14:44] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: well, see as how its a laptop(and old), it probably can't netboot.
[14:45] <sigra> Anyone know how to install flash 9 for firefox and kubuntu 7.10 64 bit.  I downloaded the flash but when trying install it says not a 64bit app
[14:45] <chemicalvamp> it can.. its a p3 i mean not old old.. it has the option i just dont know how that will install linux.. or w/e
[14:45] <intelikey> floppy drive nosrednaekim ?
[14:45] <eagles0513875> sigra: look in repos
[14:45] <sigra> what do I look for in reps?
[14:45] <nosrednaekim> intelikey if it has one..
[14:45] <eagles0513875> sigra: apt-cache search flash in command line
[14:45] <chemicalvamp> nope
[14:45] <eagles0513875> sigra: type flash
[14:45] <effie_jayx> I am trying out kubuntu feisty
[14:45] <chemicalvamp> only cdrom.. but it took a shit
[14:45] <nosrednaekim> flash plugin installation is broken...
[14:46] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: you could swap out the HD into another laptop.
[14:46] <chemicalvamp> yeah i have this hard drive like this 100mb boot,50gb /,2gb swap, 4.7gb (open for recovery partition
[14:47] <sigra> eagles that apt-cache sarch flash gave me a list of alot things
[14:47] <intelikey> nosrednaekim one would need something like blu-flops or basic-linux   that can boot off of floppies and run in ram  to "transfer" an installation to the machine.    well that's what i would be looking at.
[14:48] <nosrednaekim> yeah...
[14:48] <chemicalvamp> intelikey if your talking about mine, the laptop has no way of transfering the files while the harddrive is in it
[14:48] <nosrednaekim> network...
[14:48] <chemicalvamp> have to put the files there with the harddrive on another compputer
[14:48] <intelikey> chemicalvamp no network ?
[14:49] <chemicalvamp> well yeah i have one
[14:50] <sigra> hmm under add/remove programs on kubuntu 7.10 64bit there is no listing for flash
[14:51] <intelikey> chemicalvamp what i'm talking about is booting a ramdisk distro that supports networking and has the tools to partition/format your hdd   then you can simply copy the installation across the network connection.   (clone system)   and install a boot loader when copied.    but if that sounds like doing it the hard way, or out of your league; i'll just disapear back into the "lurking zone"
[14:53] <chemicalvamp> so if i created an iso of a live cd. and extracted that iso to a partition of my harddrive. why is it when i had grub boot that iso like a windows partition it just reloads the grub menu
[14:53] <florent> ok
[14:53] <florent> my resolution is ugly
[14:53] <intelikey> cause the extraction is not "bootable" as a partition.
[14:53] <florent> :' )
[14:54] <chemicalvamp> intelikey should i change the partitions filesystem?
[14:54] <sigra> not finding ndiswrapper either..guess kubuntu 64bit didnt add way to install flash?
[14:55] <intelikey> chemicalvamp you should setup menu.lst to point at the actual kernel and initramfs  rather than at the partition
[14:56] <intelikey> chemicalvamp but be warned.  the initramfs is built to look for it's self on a cd drive.  you may still have trubble.
[14:56] <florent> !fr
[14:56] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[14:56] <monkee> how can i activate a serial port that normaly isnt detected during boot?
[14:57] <chemicalvamp> intelikey but as for the filesystem.. does it matter? i have it as vfat now
[14:57] <intelikey> chemicalvamp alternatively  you can install a boot loader on that partition and kick to it.
[14:57] <intelikey> chemicalvamp well vfat has no permissions bits
[14:58] <chemicalvamp> whats best
[14:58] <monkee> how can i activate a serial port that normaly isnt detected during boot??
[14:58] <intelikey> if linux is going to live in vfat/ntfs space it needs scba gear.  so i'd sujest a linux native fs   ext2 or ext3
[14:59] <intelikey> monkee change the bios,  alter the address for the port.
[15:00] <monkee> bios loads it, its port 5 kubuntu i think doesnt  see it, that  is why my touchscreen isnt working
[15:01] <monkee> r u saying it will see  the change and reload / detect it?
[15:01] <florent> Nobody can help me for my resolution ? :(
[15:01] <intelikey> monkee   dmesg | grep tty     should show you what the kernel says about it.
[15:02] <intelikey> monkee i'm saying that often bios will allow conflicting address ranges and if you alter the address then linux might see the port.
[15:02] <monkee> k rebooting going to try that
[15:04] <eagles0513875> anyone know much about the latest release of net beans
[15:06] <dsmith_> how stable is 64bit?
[15:06] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: im running as we speak really stable compared to winblowws x64
[15:06] <dsmith_> lol
[15:06] <dsmith_> any troubles at all?
[15:06] <dsmith_> backwards compatible with 32 bit apps?
[15:06] <eagles0513875> nope
[15:06] <eagles0513875> yep
[15:07] <dsmith_> hmmm
[15:07] <eagles0513875> whats on ur mind ds
[15:07] <dsmith_> oh I am looking at some barebones machines
[15:07] <eagles0513875> btw
[15:07] <eagles0513875> avoid ati graphics
[15:07] <virnik> Marrz christmass, everyone!
[15:07] <dsmith_> I know :)
[15:07] <dsmith_> AMD Athlon 64 / Athlon 64 X2 / Sempron NVIDIA GeForce 7025
[15:08] <dsmith_> merry xmas, its morning here in the USA
[15:08] <eagles0513875> my sept right now is an athlon3200 2ghz machine asus a8n sli premium mobo 1g pc3200 160gb sata drive and 6600gt
[15:08] <dsmith_> actually xmas eve
[15:08] <intelikey> shalom aleichem virnik
[15:08] <Dragnslcr> Hehe
[15:08] <virnik> intelikey: <*)))><
[15:08] <dsmith_> eagles0513875: sweet
[15:09] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: socket 939 so if i can get an fx or x2 i can put in there
[15:09] <Dragnslcr> A skeleton fish?
[15:09] <virnik> Dragnslcr: hehe, skeleton fish...it is what's left after christmass dinner
[15:09] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: would love to max out ram at 8gb lol
[15:09] <dsmith_> its froma winblows box
[15:10] <dsmith_> hmm this machines shows a AMD socket AM2
[15:11] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: 939 has been phased out already
[15:11] <intelikey> eagles0513875 would be ince to have 8g of ram and setup a system to boot from a dvd and load all in ram.
[15:11] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: do u do alot of gaming
[15:11] <tehm0nk> !compiz
[15:11] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[15:11] <eagles0513875> intelikey: lol
[15:11] <dsmith_> eagles
[15:12] <schiste> Hi, I tried to change my Desktop directory in the About Me" section. It failed, but worse it also changed my autostart directory to ~/Desktop/autostart and I can't find anymore the ~/.kde/Autostart
[15:12] <dsmith_> eagles0513875: not entirely
[15:12] <virnik> compis is not working right under kubuntu
[15:12] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: then i would go with intel
[15:12] <virnik> kdocker works weird sometime
[15:12] <virnik> and so on
[15:12] <dsmith_> how come?
[15:12] <effie_jayx> juncato's crash course on kde land is cool...
[15:12] <effie_jayx> http://jucato.org/kde/kubuntuthemes.html
[15:12] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: was reading something other night in regards to intel with better benchmarks performanc once
[15:13] <intelikey> eagles0513875 only have one disk drive (the dvd-rom) set it up as a webserver.  nothing crackers could really do but reset the box...   well a hijack maybe. but root kits are precluded.
[15:13] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: amds r nice in desktops but in laptops *thumbs down*
[15:14] <dsmith_> i agree with you on that assessment
[15:14] <dsmith_> we have a amd box here and it does seem laggy sorta
[15:14] <dsmith_> a decent vid card will work that out...
[15:15] <dsmith_> so no issues with 64-bit ubuntu...sweet
[15:15] <schiste> Hi, I tried to change my Desktop directory in the About Me" section. It failed, but worse it also changed my autostart directory to ~/Desktop/autostart and I can't find anymore the ~/.kde/Autostart
[15:15] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: speaking of intel they predicting that by the yr 2012 that they would have phased out transistors all together and replaced them with carbon nano tubes
[15:15] <dsmith_> I am going to try it out when I complete my new build
[15:15] <eagles0513875> kool
[15:15] <dsmith_> serious no way
[15:16] <dsmith_> I did not know they could use carbon nanotubes as a gate
[15:16]  * dsmith_ scratches head
[15:17] <schiste> Hi, I tried to change my Desktop directory in the About Me" section. It failed, but worse it also changed my autostart directory to ~/Desktop/autostart and I can't find anymore the ~/.kde/Autostart could anyone help me please :)
[15:17] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: me neither till i read an article the other night its goign to be quite interesting
[15:17]  * dsmith_ reading now
[15:17] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: ill brb time to boot into gutsy
[15:17] <eagles0513875> for first time
[15:17] <jhutchins> schiste: There's no point in repeating your question while it's still on the screen.
[15:18] <jhutchins> !patience | schiste
[15:18] <ubotu> schiste: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[15:18] <intelikey> schiste  grep -HiRace autostart ~ | grep -v 0
[15:18] <monkee> k back no change... how can i see if the port is active?
[15:19] <intelikey> od /dev/ttyS4   you did say it was com5 ?
[15:19] <monkee> yes 5
[15:19] <intelikey> od /dev/ttyS4 and move around the TS
[15:20] <intelikey> if no output then something is not functioning properly
[15:20] <monkee> input / output error
[15:21] <intelikey> there you go.   the kernel is not seeing the port.    maybe a module needs inserted
[15:21] <slow-motion> re
[15:21] <monkee> module is alwys inserted, hardwired
[15:21] <eagles0513875> i love this gutsy found my video card automatically brb
[15:21] <intelikey> oh you rolled your own kernel monkee ?
[15:22] <schiste> ok solved, thanks anyway guys sorry for spamming, but I'm in a hurry (christmas stuff)
[15:22] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: dude reboot took bout 30 sec
[15:22] <schiste> Merry christmas all of you :)
[15:22] <dsmith_> kinda slow
[15:23] <dsmith_> im reading ppl having issue with 64bit
[15:23] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: actually even less
[15:23] <eagles0513875> im not with kubuntu gutsy
[15:23] <monkee> possble prob, i have to load kubuuntu on laptop, then move drive into tablet.. cant load directly on the tablet
[15:23] <ScottG> I have Kubuntu Gutsy 64 bit..
[15:23] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: brb again
[15:23] <dsmith_> scott
[15:23] <eagles0513875> same here ScottG
[15:24] <dsmith_> ScottG: have nay issues?
[15:24] <dsmith_> *any
[15:24] <intelikey> monkee did you build your own kernel ?
[15:24] <monkee> so it takes some tweeking
[15:24] <ScottG> no.. other than some plugins when I first got started.. installed a 32 bit version of Firefox for Java..
[15:24] <ubunturos> is there a #linux-audio?
[15:25] <ScottG> I'm a browser ho.. I have Firefox32, Firefox64, Firefox3, Switweasel, Iceape, Opera, etc..
[15:26] <dsmith_> heh,
[15:26]  * intelikey is being ignored.    and goes away.   "Physician, heal thyself"
[15:26] <dsmith_> wow there is a 64 bit firefox?
[15:27] <eagles0513875> dsmith_:lol
[15:27] <ScottG> yes.. the standard one to install on the 64 bit OS..
[15:27] <monkee> intell r u getting my pms?
[15:27] <eagles0513875> can someone tell me which nvidia driver i have to download for my 6600gt
[15:27] <eagles0513875> monkee: r u registered and is he
[15:27] <monkee> oh there is pos prob there, didnt now bout registered thing
[15:28] <eagles0513875> !register |monkee
[15:28] <monkee> ran hd install on drive in laptop, then moved drive over, and did updates and such
[15:28] <ubotu> monkee: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[15:28] <dsmith_> maybe intellikey doesn't waht your P.M.S
[15:28] <dsmith_> (want
[15:28] <eagles0513875> lol
[15:28] <monkee> ya i lack registration
[15:28] <eagles0513875> that was below the belt ds
[15:28] <dsmith_> my gf said it
[15:29] <dsmith_> she was looking over me and said PMS?
[15:29] <KLuneNoire> hey there
[15:29] <eagles0513875> ScottG: u got any ideas bout which nvidia pkg i install on my machine
[15:29] <dsmith_> proprietary one?
[15:29] <monkee> i installed 7.1 from live cd to hd, then moved hd to tablet... then updated and such
[15:29] <dsmith_> 64bit?
[15:30] <monkee> how can i get it to see serial port 5?
[15:30] <intelikey> monkee insert the propper module.
[15:30] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: the restricted drivers dialogue box came up for me to enable it but i accidentally closed it
[15:31] <monkee> no modual, serial port 5 is the touch screen, always there
[15:31] <dsmith_> you still should be able to enable them
[15:31] <intelikey> kernel module
[15:31] <monkee> where how?
[15:32] <dsmith_> eagles0513875: you should still be able to enable them
[15:32] <intelikey>   . /etc/bash_completion
[15:32] <monkee> brb
[15:32] <intelikey> and modprobe  blah[tab]
[15:32] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: the dialogue never popped back up
[15:32] <intelikey> google for info    use tab completion for module names.
[15:33] <dingus> hi all - *this is driving me crazy* Whenever i insert a blank disc, the daemon pops up, correctly recognizing blank media, and asks what i'd like to do.  However, in any burning program (k3b, nerolinux), i'm always prompted to insert a rewritable disc ("no media present").  WTF?
[15:33] <dingus> i've tried editing both hdparm and fstab, to no avail :(
[15:34] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: im getting drive from source
[15:35] <chemicalvamp> intelikey ive found vmlinuz and initrd.. but initrd is a .gz will this work?
[15:35] <intelikey> monkee something like      sudo modprobe serio_raw      i've actually lost interest in trying to find the exact module.  you can search for that as well as i.
[15:35] <monkee> k tinkering with it now
[15:35] <intelikey> chemicalvamp yes the kernel can decompress it
[15:36] <chemicalvamp> intelikey should i have any arguements at all?
[15:37] <dsmith_> ya know, I can deal with all the lil' nuances of *buntu or any other linux distro, so long as I have a stable OS that wont break/crash/BSOD on me
[15:37] <intelikey> i'm out for a while.    Shalom Aleichem all little pinguins this ChristMass.
[15:37] <intelikey> chemicalvamp the root=/dev  yes
[15:37] <dsmith_> cya intelikey
[15:37] <dsmith_> ooops too lae
[15:37] <dsmith_> *late
[15:38] <dingus> does anyone know if there are linux drivers for my Matshita cd/dvd burning drive?
[15:38] <eagles0513875> :( im getting no where
[15:38] <chemicalvamp> intelikey ?
[15:38] <dsmith_> dingus: I dont think you need any
[15:38] <dsmith_> eagles0513875: wahst wrong?
[15:38] <poison_> llo
[15:38] <dsmith_> kubuntu right?/
[15:38] <eagles0513875> need help getting open gl for my nvidia 6600gt to work. had the dialogue box come up but closed out of it and hasnt come up again
[15:39] <dsmith_> !nvidia
[15:39] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:39] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: ya and 2ndly does direct rendering need to be no or yes in my case
[15:39] <dsmith_> ummmm
[15:39]  * dsmith_ draws aa blank
[15:39] <Artimus> eagles0513875: try running restricted-manager-kde
[15:39] <eagles0513875> Artimus: in cli
[15:39] <dingus> dsmith_: any idea why burning programs always say "no media present" when Kubuntu correctly identifies the inserted disc as a blank?
[15:40] <dsmith_> dingus: I dont know, but I know what your talking about as it does it to me as well.
[15:40] <eagles0513875> Artimus: ty :)
[15:40] <Artimus> eagles0513875: yeah
[15:40] <eagles0513875> Artimus: i just learned something new lol
[15:40] <dingus> dsmith_: did you ever find a fix
[15:40] <dsmith_> no
[15:40] <Artimus> Best of luck.  3D acceleration is nice
[15:40] <dsmith_> but I can burn in kb3
[15:41] <eagles0513875> Artimus: ya then after i get this up and running gotta download wine and install world of warcraft
[15:41] <dsmith_> wow...lol
[15:41] <eagles0513875> on my laptop it worked but rather crappily
[15:41] <eagles0513875> what dsmith_
[15:41] <dsmith_> I have never understood that game..
[15:41] <dsmith_> :))
[15:41] <dingus> dsmith_: k3b just tells me "no media present" on Matshita UJ810 ... i'm gonna have to make another Windows partition! :/
[15:41] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: its fun lol
[15:41] <eagles0513875> and addicting
[15:41] <dsmith_> I know, thats why I never bothered with it
[15:42] <eagles0513875> dingus: is it like that with all media
[15:42] <eagles0513875> im in the money lol
[15:42] <eagles0513875> brb yet again this time with direct rendering lol
[15:42] <dingus> eagles0513875: so how are you supposed to burn any discs?  I can't because k3b or nero just tells me i need to insert a blank disc!
[15:44] <hungrymouse> is there any way to mount iso images (without burning them) in linux?
[15:45] <dingus> !gmount
[15:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gmount - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:45] <dingus> hungrymouse: http://tuxenclave.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/gmount-iso-virtual-drive-for-linux/
[15:46] <eagles0513875> :)
[15:46] <Pici> !mountiso | hungrymouse
[15:46] <ubotu> hungrymouse: To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » or use the "gmountiso" package - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[15:46] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: :) its working
[15:46] <dsmith_> hungrymouse: acetoneiso
[15:46] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: time to go edit my source list and add wine repos
[15:46] <dsmith_> yay
[15:46] <eagles0513875> lol
[15:46] <hungrymouse> thanks pici.
[15:47] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: this restricted manager is a god send
[15:47] <dsmith_> :)
[15:47] <eagles0513875> on my laptop used to eb a nightmare to config open gl and my wifi card
[15:47] <eagles0513875> cursed broadcom
[15:47] <dsmith_> I say that everytime I do an install
[15:47] <dsmith_> broadcom stinko, inel!
[15:47] <dsmith_> intel
[15:47] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: lol
[15:47] <eagles0513875> just like ati stinko
[15:48] <dsmith_> lol yep
[15:48] <dsmith_> ati stinks for windows even, IMHO
[15:48] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: im honestly hoping i get a new laptop a mac book
[15:49] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: if WoW works on here then i know its the laptop
[15:50] <ScottG> I know with Crossover WoW works well.. my wife is addicted..
[15:50] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. THere was a kid here yeasterday - couldent get WoW working right with crossover office..
[15:50] <eagles0513875> ScottG: has she tried darwine a wine linux to mac port
[15:50] <ScottG> no..
[15:51] <lufthanza> hello, does anyone know how to create new environmental variables?
[15:51] <Dr_willis> But that may been due to his sound I think.. Or WoW+Ventrillo issues
[15:51] <eagles0513875> if i do get a new mac book im goign to duel boot but first im goign to try wiht darwine
[15:51] <eagles0513875> is crossover free
[15:51] <Dr_willis> lufthanza,  export NEWTHING=10000 or similer.
[15:51] <ScottG> yes.. can't get Ventrilo working..
[15:51] <ScottG> we have the paid version of crossover..
[15:51] <Dr_willis> ScottG,  where were you yesterday then. :) heh heh...
[15:51] <lufthanza> Dr_willis: Does that make them persistant?
[15:51] <Dr_willis> lufthanza,  depends on how you define persistant.
[15:52] <eagles0513875> ScottG: lol im a cheap bastard ill go for the free stuff lol
[15:52] <ScottG> my wife played WoW for 22 hours straight.. needless to say I was not on the computer :)
[15:52] <Dr_willis> lufthanza,  a exported variable gets exported to all the child processes of that shell.
[15:52] <eagles0513875> lol
[15:52] <lufthanza> Dr_willis: I want it to exist independant of the shell
[15:52] <Dr_willis> lufthanza,  if you want a Env variable set for EVERYTHING  after you login. set it in your .bashrc or .bash_profile
[15:52] <eagles0513875> my problem on my current laptop is that once its patched it drops from normal 30fps in winblows down to 7
[15:52] <lufthanza> I also want it to remain after reboot
[15:53] <Dr_willis> Bash Basics. :)  I think you want to set them in .bash_profile
[15:53] <ScottG> patches suck.. I don't play but since I had to have Linux it's my responsibility to get it going..
[15:54] <eagles0513875> ScottG: lol im all in 1 lol
[15:54] <eagles0513875> after this last laptop never going wiht an amd again
[15:54] <seezer> eagles0513875: i play wow with (free) wine perfectly at full details with around 50-70 fps
[15:55] <ScottG> I have XP on my laptop.. for work.. Kubuntu took no less than 10 mins to get to a login so I dual booted Mandriva with XP..
[15:55] <eagles0513875> seezer: do u have an ati video card
[15:55] <seezer> and around 30 on my laptop
[15:55] <seezer> (laptop is x1400 mobile)
[15:55] <seezer> (ati)
[15:55] <ScottG> I have an ATI on my laptop..
[15:55] <Dr_willis> I just got a Lowly x200m on my laptop. :)
[15:55] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: same on mine
[15:55] <ScottG> X300 mobile I think
[15:55] <seezer> desktop has a nvidia (and will always have since amd/ati devs are too stupid..)
[15:56] <monkee> when update / installing stuff, every now and then get asked for cd containing info, to inter into /cdrom/ how can i make it look to flash drive /usb/?
[15:56] <ScottG> Nvidia here on the desktop too.. I knew I was using it for Linux..
[15:56] <eagles0513875> in mine i think im having a really bad heating issue
[15:56] <seezer> the new catalyst 7.12 works "perfect" - if you can stand having only 1280x1024
[15:56] <eagles0513875> wow and i can actually see the txt on the install which is a first
[15:56] <eagles0513875> on my laptop wiht my ati couldnt see any txt on the install buttons
[15:57] <eagles0513875> and installation is so much faster on here and i have the exact same processor on here as i do in my laptop
[15:57] <Dr_willis> monkee,  you really should remove the cd repositories. any updates are not on the cd.  You could copy  all the pacakges from the cd to a directory and set up a source line pointing to it.. but most of the files there will never be used.
[15:57] <eagles0513875> and i have slightly more ram in laptop than on here
[15:57] <eagles0513875> brb guys need somethign to munch on
[15:57] <monkee> yes, this install, this time i forgot to do that, reloaded this think like 3 times now hahaha
[15:59] <Chemicalvamp> ok so ive got an issue with booting a live cd (on a harddrive partition) ive got grub loading the vmlinuz and initrd.. but it goes through and scns the computer. but does not load anything.. any ideas?
[16:07] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: On the other hand, some packages never update, and if you have a less-than-brilliant connection, it might be better to pull a file that hasn't updated off the CD if you decided to install something new.
[16:08] <jhutchins> If you have both enabled, it should default to the CD when the online version is no newer.
[16:08] <florent> When I take Nvidia Driver --> 800*600 and when I don't take it --> good resolution !
[16:08] <florent> Can you help me ?
[16:08] <florent> plizzz
[16:09] <jhutchins> florent: Um, isn't that like "doctor, when I hitmyself in the head with this hammer, I get headaches." Stop hitting yourself in the head.  Use whatever works best for you.
[16:09] <Chemicalvamp> Is there a way to view all the drives on your computer the same way as grub sees them? cuz hd0,0 is my flash drive.. and hd0,3 is hda4.... >.<
[16:10] <jhutchins> Chemicalvamp: Well, fdisk -l will give you the device names, I'm not sure what gives you bus id's.
[16:10] <florent> Yes, but without Nvidia Driver , i can't play !
[16:10] <florent> tremulous, warsow doesn't work !
[16:11] <Chemicalvamp> jhutchins does it make sence that my sda2 is 0,0??
[16:11] <florent> don't*
[16:11] <monkee> whoever mentioned changing repository earlier ty, just fixed 2 things in process
[16:11] <jhutchins> Chemicalvamp: Not really, but i guess if you've got a flash it might.
[16:11] <monkee> got pissy at it, and wasnt thinking bout few things till u said that
[16:12] <jhutchins> florent: If you want to play windows games, why aren't you running windows?
[16:12] <jhutchins> florent: Linux is not a free tool for running Windows games.
[16:12] <florent> jhutchins: IT'S NOT WINDOWS GAME
[16:12] <jhutchins> florent: ok, no need to shout.
[16:12] <florent> and if I want to play sometimes on linux, it's my right !
[16:13] <jhutchins> florent: I have an ancient Radeon that does everything I want just fine, but everything I want is 2d.
[16:13] <jhutchins> !nvidia | florent: Here's all I know
[16:13] <ubotu> florent: Here's all I know: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[16:13] <jhutchins> ubotu?
[16:13] <eagles0513875> !ubotu
[16:13] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[16:13] <eagles0513875> !nvidia
[16:14] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: already done.
[16:14] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:14] <eagles0513875> seezer: what 2 files can i copy of the cd's to where i can install without em
[16:17] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: Bot must be flooded and/or lagged today, usually if someone repeats a question it just says "see above".
[16:18] <eagles0513875> ahh
[16:18] <eagles0513875> jhutchins: who has bot to resset the bot
[16:18] <jpatrick> !lag | Juukamen
[16:18] <ubotu> Juukamen: You have lag, I don't have lag
[16:19] <jpatrick> er, that was for jhutchins :)
[16:19] <jhutchins> florent: Where in Finlans?
[16:19] <jhutchins> florent: Where in Finland?
[16:19] <jhutchins> Sheesh, can't type this morning.
[16:19] <Chemicalvamp> !botsnack
[16:19] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[16:19] <Juukamen> huh ?
[16:20] <Chemicalvamp> i dk lol
[16:20] <jpatrick> Juukamen: sorry, wrong guy :)
[16:21]  * jhutchins hopes that florent's silence means he's off reading the howto.
[16:21] <Juukamen> l0l =)
[16:22] <Chemicalvamp> so if i install gutsy on a harddrive and move it into another laptop what are the odds it will work?
[16:24] <ScottG> I think it'll work but what do I know? :)
[16:24] <ScottG> it'll recognize the new hardware..
[16:25] <mak> how can i instal a ".deb"-package?
[16:25] <jari> hi, I was here earlier asking help for getting logitech USB working and now I wanted to ask that could it be that the input from the "regular" mic port should be disabled in order to make the OS receive input from the USB?
[16:25] <ScottG> right click it.. it will give you the option to install..
[16:26] <mak> ScottG: ok, thanks, but how can i install this package in the terminal
[16:26] <ScottG> or.. type.. sudo dpkg -i xx.deb
[16:27] <kurt> guys, i cannot delete files who are on my pro duo stick, i entered as gksudo konqueror but it won't work
[16:27] <mak> ScottG: ok thanks ;)
[16:27] <ScottG> welcome :)
[16:37] <sigma_123> hey hey hey its almost xmas:)
[16:37] <Dr_willis> Chemicalvamp,  ive done similer things befor. Issue can be the specific configs/settings for sound/video and other hardware.. it MIGHT take a little work.
[16:37] <Dr_willis> Chemicalvamp,  but the hardware detection in kubuntu si very good. :)
[16:37] <dsmith_> my mounted devices disappear in kubuntu from the desktop, why?
[16:38] <Dr_willis> Theres a setting to show/hide mounted devices. I belive.
[16:38] <dsmith_> I think its a bug
[16:38] <Dr_willis> are they shown in system:/media   still
[16:39] <dsmith_> yes
[16:39] <Dr_willis> Actually i think the setting allows show Only Unmounted media, or both..
[16:39] <Dr_willis> I tend to disable all icons on the desktop. :) so i dont even reber where taht setting is at
[16:40] <Dr_willis> brb.....
[16:40] <dsmith_> i know wher eit is, they just disappear
[16:47] <dsmith_> see if I do a umount on one the drives, they reappear
[16:47] <dsmith_> weird
[16:47] <eagles0513875> have u downloaded updated pkgs
[16:47] <dsmith_> ? no
[16:47] <dsmith_> kubuntu has always acted like this
[16:47] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: try that might fix the issue
[16:48] <bazhang> is the Flash..just kidding..Merry Holidays!
[16:48] <dsmith_> updates?
[16:48] <dsmith_> I do that all the time
[16:48] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:48] <dsmith_> its a bug I think
[16:48] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: did u post a bug on launchpad
[16:48] <eagles0513875> !launchpad |dsmith
[16:48] <ubotu> dsmith: Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[16:49] <eagles0513875> tthats the only way its going to get fixed
[16:49] <dsmith_> register?
[16:49] <dsmith_> why
[16:49] <dsmith_> hmmmm
[16:52] <eagles0513875> its free
[16:53] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: that way u report bugs and help make the ubuntu line even better
[16:54] <dsmith_> ok I see nothing like the bug I am having brbr
[16:54] <eagles0513875> have fun reporting
[16:54] <eagles0513875> ill brb
[16:56] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: do u know any programming languages
[16:57] <dsmith_> Bug #178479
[16:57] <don-juan> ciao
[16:57] <dsmith_> no
[16:58] <eagles0513875> nm was goign to say if u did take a stab at debugging urself lol
[16:58] <don-juan> #fusion
[16:58] <dingus> crap! i accidentally deleted my hdparm.conf - is there a way i can generate a new one???
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> dingus: you could probably use someone else's
[16:59] <dingus> nosrednaekim: is there a generic example somewhere?
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> dingus: probably...
[16:59] <eagles0513875> dingus: did u make a back up of it
[17:04] <dingus1> nosrednaekim: u still there?
[17:04] <nosrednaekim> yes
[17:04] <dingus1> sorry- my computer locks up when i insert a disc now :(
[17:04] <dingus1> so... where can i get a new hdparm.conf?
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> dingus1: you can use mine..
[17:06] <dingus1> ok.....plz post somewhere
[17:07] <dingus1> nosrednaekim: also, maybe you can help (this is why i was messing with it in the first place): when i insert a blank disc, it is correctly identified by the daemon, but in k3b or nero linux, it says there is no media present.  what gives?
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> its probably not burnable
[17:08] <dingus1> nosrednaekim: they're all blank discs that burn in windows
[17:09] <dingus1> and the Kubuntu daemon recognizes that i've inserted a blank disc
[17:09] <nosrednaekim> dingus1: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49487/   you may need to modify that from /dev/hda to sda..
[17:10] <dingus1> nosrednaekim: thanks!
[17:12] <dettoaltrimenti> can I run fdisk on any unmounted partition, even an NTFS partition?
[17:12] <dettoaltrimenti> sorry, I mean fsck
[17:12] <dingus1> nosrednaekim: but since all but one lines are commented, they won't do anythign anyway, right?
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> dettoaltrimenti: fdisk is run on a disk, not a pratition
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> dettoaltrimenti: don't think it works on NTFS
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[17:16] <dingus1> nosrednaekim: any other ideas why k3b and other burning programs see no media present when there is a blank disc inserted?
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> no... I thnk they probably don't detect it as blank.I believe you can force them to burn though..
[17:20] <dingus1> nosrednaekim: that's what i've been reading, but i don't see an option where to (maybe that was only in older versions?)
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> yeah...
[17:21] <eshat> are there any testservers that i can connect to with VNC or RDP ???
[17:23] <jussi01> eshat: not that i know of
[17:25] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  I still get the same ata1.00: exception Emask error
[17:26] <effie_jayx> thanks for the help
[17:27] <kurt> i just installed prboom, i want to know where
[17:27] <kurt> can someone help me with this
[17:27] <kurt> it's not in games folder
[17:27] <_cj> which prboom?
[17:28] <kurt> you know, doom game
[17:28] <kurt> since i can't figure out how to get full screen lxdoom
[17:29] <kurt> so how can i know where i installed the game
[17:29] <jussi01> kurt: try prboom from the command line
[17:32] <_cj> kurt - which is a command line utility
[17:34] <Tim_B> Can anyone point me to any additional information for solving a problem with KDE systemsettings app crashing  and all it's icons (along with KControl) being in Lost & Found menu?
[17:35] <kurt> if i start prboom after 10 seconds it freezes and i have to log out, any idea how it comes
[17:35] <kurt> i would try lxdoom but don't know how to play that on full screen
[17:35] <kurt> why is everything so complicated
[17:36] <Tim_B> This issue occurred following an upgrade from Feisty Fawn to Gutsy Gibbon in October. These link appear relavent, but do not solve my problems:
[17:36] <Tim_B> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/114286
[17:36] <Tim_B> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/115014
[17:38] <jussi01> kurt: are you just after a good fps?
[17:38] <kurt> really want to play doom but i hear you got some alternative
[17:39] <jussi01> kurt: ;) Tremulous!
[17:39] <jussi01> kurt: have you played it before?
[17:39] <jussi01> !info tremulous
[17:39] <ubotu> tremulous: Aliens vs Humans, team based FPS game with elements of an RTS. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.0-4 (gutsy), package size 645 kB, installed size 1512 kB
[17:39] <kurt> never heard of it
[17:39] <DreadKnight> i prefer open arena or warsow ;) very nice shooters
[17:39] <jussi01> kurt: install it, its in the repos - absolutely amazing
[17:40] <kurt> is it multi or single
[17:40] <jussi01> kurt: multiplayer
[17:40] <kurt> i like single against computer
[17:40] <DreadKnight> sudo apt-get install openarena
[17:40] <kurt> anyone here that played lxdoom or prboom ?
[17:41] <jussi01> kurt: neither here
[17:42] <kurt> ok thanks, bye
[17:45] <RogueJediX> Any easy way to determine which app is using my audio device right now?
[17:46] <hydrogen> likely artsd
[17:46] <hydrogen> because kubuntu insists on using it
[17:46] <hydrogen> even though its absolutely horrible
[17:47] <RogueJediX> I heard somewhere KDE4 will do away with it
[17:47] <nosrednaekim> yay! Phonon!
[17:47] <RogueJediX> Yeah, killing it worked. Thanks, hydrogen
[17:48] <hydrogen> yea, kde4 will do away with it
[17:48] <hydrogen> kde3 distros should have done away with it
[17:48] <RogueJediX> So, you'll finally be able to use multiple audio apps at once?
[17:49] <hydrogen> you've been able to do that for a while
[17:49] <hydrogen> without arts
[17:49] <RogueJediX> Yeah, that's what I meant. I'm just too lazy to switch :P
[17:50] <RogueJediX> Probably a hassle too
[17:55] <HS^^> wow i have to say here that kde4rc2 is terrible.  on the right click menu,  there is no 'new folder/file'? many icons are missing, the start menu is useless and ugly. so far for destructive criticism but i cant say any good about it.
[17:56] <ScottG> I agree completely..
[17:56] <nosrednaekim> HS^^: yeah, plasma is a bit behind... but things are improving rapidly! a release ago, thre wasn't even a right click menu :D
[17:57] <eagles0513875> plasma is on the way out nos
[17:57] <nosrednaekim> with whom.
[17:57] <eagles0513875> laser tvs r in
[17:57] <eagles0513875> lol
[17:57] <nosrednaekim> eagles0513875: hope that was sarcasm..
[17:57] <nosrednaekim> good :D
[17:57] <eagles0513875> no it wasnt
[17:57] <eagles0513875> im serious
[17:57] <eagles0513875> plasmas r obsolete
[17:58] <HS^^> is plasma that clock on the desktop?? wow fantastic
[17:58] <nosrednaekim> oh... well, plasma is the name of the KDE4 destop
[17:58] <ScottG> he meant the interface in KDE4.. plasma
[17:58] <HS^^> i think the kde3 was better without that
[17:58] <eagles0513875> oh my bad
[17:58] <eagles0513875> i thought u were talking about tvs
[17:58] <HS^^> but how can people still talk positive about this..  i downloaded the live cd from topic
[17:58] <ScottG> nope.. we can't be off topic :)
[17:58] <eagles0513875> lol
[17:59] <deuryt1> jjj123
[17:59] <HS^^> and well... its the worst desktop since 10 years
[17:59] <HS^^> i think windows 95 is superior to that
[17:59] <nosrednaekim> HS^^: calm down... its a RC of a .0 release....
[17:59] <beppe> hi, I'm trzing to install a language-learning dvd for windows with wine. it complains that the ie version is too old. do I have any chance that it will work if I install ie, or is there any way to bypass this?
[17:59] <RogueJediX> HS^^: Well, considering it isn't even complete yet...
[17:59] <ScottG> but it's getting close to release.. what? mid January?
[17:59] <HS^^> nosrednaekim what you mean
[17:59] <nosrednaekim> beppe: #winehq
[18:00] <beppe> nosrednaekim: tnx
[18:00] <HS^^> its close to kde4
[18:00] <HS^^> and basicly rc2 is shit.  how can they fix this.
[18:00] <HS^^> the menu is SO big and so ugly
[18:00] <HS^^> damn
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> HS^^: I mean that they put alot of time into the underlying infrastructure, now that that is in place, everything else is relatively easy
[18:00] <HS^^> yes thats all nice talk
[18:00] <ScottG> you can't right click on the bottom bar to resize it..
[18:01] <HS^^> but why believe it
[18:01] <RogueJediX> HS^^: You really don't have to. There are other options out there, if that suits you better
[18:01] <ScottG> well.. take a "wait and see" approach.. it's fine to be skeptical, but save the negativity for the final product :)
[18:01] <nosrednaekim> HS^^: because, if you have been following the development progress(like I have), you would
[18:01] <bazhang> kde4 and hardy will be amazing, but that is off-topic on several levels sorry
[18:01] <RogueJediX> Myself, I'm optimistic about KDE4, still
[18:02] <ScottG> reading the dev list I'm curious to see how the devs can manage KDE3 and KDE4 simultaneously..
[18:03] <HS^^> RogueJediX have you tried rc2?
[18:03] <SSJ_GZ> ScottG: KDE3 is largely on life-support.
[18:03] <ScottG> I gathered that.. and no LTS for Kubuntu..
[18:04] <RogueJediX> HS^^: Nope, I'm waiting for a final release. I'll pass judgement on it then
[18:04] <ScottG> but this is all publicly available information..
[18:04] <ScottG> for a regular desktop user what difference does it make if it's an LTS?
[18:05] <ScottG> I understand the business contract end of things..
[18:05] <bazhang> less flash more stability
[18:06] <RogueJediX> Shouldn't we move this to #kubuntu-offtopic? I feel like we're about to tick some op off
[18:06] <HS^^> no one is there
[18:06] <ScottG> we're talking about kubuntu..
[18:06] <jussi01> Guys, can we keep it to support in here?
[18:06] <ScottG> ok
[18:06] <jussi01> ScottG: he is right
[18:06] <jussi01> :)
[18:06] <RogueJediX> Isn't this mainly for support and such?
[18:07] <eagles0513875> yes it is
[18:07] <jussi01> !ot
[18:07] <HS^^> who needs support?
[18:07] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[18:07] <ScottG> it is.. sorry.. no one asking support questions so please no one talk at all..
[18:07] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:07] <eagles0513875> sir yes sir
[18:10] <dsmith_> lol
[18:11] <Cyborg> hi everyone
[18:11] <jussi01> !hi | Cyborg
[18:11] <ubotu> Cyborg: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[18:11] <Cyborg> Merry Xmas
[18:11] <eagles0513875> merry xmas to u too
[18:11] <ScottG> get him.. he's off topic! :D
[18:11] <ScottG> j/k
[18:11] <bazhang> haha
[18:12] <eagles0513875> Lol
[18:12] <Cyborg> me ? :)
[18:12] <eagles0513875> ohhhhhhhhhhh scott broke his own rule of silence if its not a support topic ohhhhhhhhh im telling
[18:12] <RogueJediX> Cyborg: Congrats, you are now a convict!
[18:13] <Jeroi> happy xmas
[18:13] <Cyborg> the same 4 u
[18:13] <eagles0513875> ohhhh offf topic lol
[18:13] <eagles0513875> j/k
[18:13] <RogueJediX> Cyborg: Touche ;)
[18:14] <eagles0513875> im pumped lol
[18:16] <elisabeth> hello whenever i changed menu.lst of grub and do "update-grub", menu.lst will be changed
[18:16] <elisabeth> do i need any othe command?
[18:17] <malakhi> elisabeth: what changes are you trying to make?
[18:18] <Cyborg> guys i am new to Kubuntu and to linux in general. i've got a Q, how can i switch between keyboard layout with clicking on the language flag ?
[18:18] <Cyborg> without*
[18:19] <elisabeth> malakhi: i added a new hdd with windows, so i want to add a boot option for windows
[18:19] <jussi01> !keyboard
[18:19] <ubotu> To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[18:19] <jussi01> !grub | elisabeth
[18:19] <ubotu> elisabeth: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[18:21] <elisabeth> ubotu: i already installed windows, i had some problems with harddiscs so i disabled hdd included windows and isntalled new kubuntu version in the other hdd and after a enabled the win hdd ...
[18:21] <jussi01> !bot | elisabeth
[18:21] <ubotu> elisabeth: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[18:21] <nonewmsgs> help i changed my resolution and now it all kinds of MUKED UP
[18:21] <jussi01> elisabeth: just follow the grub after windows should fix it for you
[18:22] <malakhi> elisabeth: it's best to add the windows boot entry after the Debian automagic kernels list.
[18:22] <nonewmsgs> it wont let me change res back above 640x480 despite that i manually did my xorg.conf myself before
[18:22] <malakhi> elisabeth: update-grub will change everything between the ###BEGIN/END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
[18:22] <elisabeth> ok thanks
[18:23] <Cyborg> guys is there a shortcut key to switch between the keyboard layers? i have two layers installed but i don't want everytime to click on the flag to change it
[18:24] <emilsedgh> Cyborg: layer?
[18:24] <emilsedgh> Cyborg: you mean Layout? yes there is
[18:24] <Cyborg> sorry layout
[18:24] <emilsedgh> Cyborg: go to system settings->keyboard & mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[18:24] <emilsedgh> Cyborg: the last item in list is Switch To Next Keyboard Layout
[18:25] <Cyborg> cool thanks emilsedgh
[18:25] <nonewmsgs> ok what is command for dpkg reconfigure xorg
[18:25] <nonewmsgs> i know it says xserver and has dashes
[18:25] <jpatrick> nonewmsgs: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[18:26] <nonewmsgs> cheers
[18:27] <nonewmsgs> do i want kernal framebuffer?
[18:27] <jpatrick> no idea
[18:28] <jussi01> nonewmsgs: it shouldnt make a difference, but go yes
[18:28] <nonewmsgs> thanks
[18:29] <Cyborg> c u later guys bye
[18:31] <fredo> salut, ya des pro ? je cherche a connaitre le titre d'un cd introduit !? en commande bien sur !
[18:31] <jussi01> !fr | fredo
[18:31] <ubotu> fredo: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[18:31] <jussi01> fredo: english in here ;)
[18:31] <fredo> yes , thank
[18:32] <greg_> Could someone help me with a problem i'm having with Adept Manager ? Essentially everytime I start it, it says the apt-get is already running and hence it can only open in read-only mode, any ideas ?
[18:33] <jussi01> !adeptfix | greg_
[18:33] <ubotu> greg_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[18:33] <ScottG> no point in trying to help here.. the bot is faster..
[18:34] <tilgovi> Has anyone got kde4 installed?
[18:34] <tilgovi> I'm getting errors about libgif and libungif when I try
[18:34] <jussi01> tilgovi: I do
[18:34] <jussi01> !brokenkde4
[18:34] <ubotu> If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[18:35] <jussi01> tilgovi: that may help
[18:35] <jussi01> greg_: did that fix it for you?
[18:35] <greg_> jussi01: Worked like a charm, thanks alot!
[18:35] <jussi01> grade_: great :)
[18:35] <vzduch> hi guys
[18:36] <jussi01> hiya vzduch
[18:36] <vzduch> is there a netsplit going on atm?  I can't seem to be able to auto-identify
[18:36] <tilgovi> ubotu: do I need the repository listed here: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[18:36] <tilgovi> oh, whoops
[18:36] <tilgovi> bot
[18:36] <tilgovi> jussi01: can you answer that?
[18:36] <jussi01> tilgovi: yes
[18:37] <tilgovi> jussi01 do I change the last part to hardy if I'm running it?
[18:38] <eagles0513875> dsmith_: :)
[18:38] <eagles0513875> im in a really good moood atm
[18:38] <eagles0513875> KUBUNTU 64 bit rocks my socks
[18:39] <vzduch> odd.. trying something..
[18:39] <eagles0513875> ScottG: :) guess what
[18:40] <ScottG> is that a support question?
[18:40] <ScottG> :)
[18:40] <deuryt1> jjj123
[18:40] <jussi01> tilgovi: ummm, you need to as in #ubuntu+1 fo hardy stuff
[18:40] <TimS> Hello hello
[18:40] <nonewmsgs> ok my resolution was back to normal after a reboot
[18:40] <tilgovi> jussi01: thanks
[18:40] <jussi01> tilgovi: I dont know about hardy stufdf
[18:41] <ScottG> I was going to stay away because everytime I stsrt typing a bot command gets issued and I have to erase it all.. now I'll just watch and learn :)
[18:41] <nonewmsgs> for my login screen but then i logged into kde and it's back to 640x480
[18:42] <nonewmsgs> gnome works fine
[18:42] <jussi01> ScottG: just learn the bot factoids...
[18:45] <nonewmsgs> hilfe rette much bitte!
[18:45] <vzduch> !de | nonewmsgs
[18:45] <ubotu> nonewmsgs: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[18:46] <nonewmsgs> pardon my french, what i meant to say was please help me.  my gnome has good resolution but not my kde.  i have dpkg-ed and reset up my xorg.conf file
[18:47] <peter_> so i have wireless installed.  but in what program do i connect.. give the password etc.
[18:48] <jussi01> peter_: you should be able to do that with network manager - in the taskbar
[18:48] <ScottG> I was looking up the bot command :D
[18:49] <peter_> jussio01, is there nothing like windows.  so it can save more as 1 web key?
[18:50] <peter_> cant i scan for the wireless networks?
[18:51] <jussi01> peter_: network mananger should have them listed when you right click on it
[18:52] <peter_> no
[18:52] <peter_> do i need to restart first maybe
[18:53] <tilgovi> Any way to revert back to the packages that were installed from the cd only?
[18:53] <tilgovi> Or do I just need to boot it up again and reinstall from it
[19:02] <peter_> Well i dont see how to get wireless to work.  i installed the driver. in knetwork manager i set it on enabled.
[19:02] <peter_> now what..
[19:06] <Politics101> Great Youtube Video, this guy should run for president himself!!:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZAqZUafCdM
[19:08] <vzduch> !offtopic | Politics101
[19:08] <ubotu> Politics101: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[19:08] <ScottG> pure spam :)
[19:09] <vzduch> no idea, didn't look
[19:09] <vzduch> probably won't see anything anyway.. I'm on a live CD atm
[19:11] <jtholmes> looked all over need to know how to test my mic in kubuntu?
[19:12] <nosrednaekim> jtholmes: get a simple music recorder like krecord
[19:13] <jtholmes> nosrednaekim, thanks will do
[19:19] <nonewmsgs> what are the advantages of using kde programs like kopote vs gnome ones like pidgin
[19:19] <emilsedgh> nonewmsgs: Most of the KApplications has more features
[19:20] <nonewmsgs> indeed emilsedgh but i do like pidgin
[19:20] <ScottG> I prefer Pidgin in this case..
[19:20] <emilsedgh> nonewmsgs: you have the feedom to choose the application you like :(
[19:20] <emilsedgh> :)
[19:20] <nonewmsgs> i know it but i was wondering if it required more libraries (and thus more ram)
[19:21] <nonewmsgs> not an important question but just pondering really
[19:22] <Politics101> Great Youtube Video, this guy should run for president himself!!:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZAqZUafCdM
[19:22] <nonewmsgs> s;
[19:22] <nonewmsgs> once is offtopic two and three times is spam
[19:24] <nosrednaekim> nonewmsgs: yes, that does use more RAM
[19:25] <nosrednaekim> but if you are already using firefox, then its negligible
[19:25] <ubuntu> hi?
[19:25] <nosrednaekim> hi!
[19:25] <nonewmsgs> uboto | hi
[19:26] <nonewmsgs> ubuntu | hi
[19:26] <ubuntu> I have a Question
[19:26] <nosrednaekim> ask :D
[19:27] <ubuntu> I am running the Kubuntu Live CD... and I am wanting to press the button, install this permanently.... BUT:
[19:27] <ubuntu> I am affraid I do not have the chance to choose to which drive it lets me install it and wheteher I can format that drive beforehand
[19:28] <_cj> lol
[19:28] <vzduch> ubuntu: you do
[19:28] <nonewmsgs> yes in step 3
[19:28] <nonewmsgs> step 3 being the third step following step 2 will allow this
[19:28] <_cj> even windows does that
[19:28] <vzduch> nonewmsgs: rofl
[19:28] <ubuntu> Well, I am a complete newbie and I don't want to f things up... lol, sorry
[19:28] <nosrednaekim> guys.... be nice
[19:28] <effie_jayx> ata1.00: exception Emask error when booting ... any clue ?
[19:29] <nonewmsgs> im just kidding cj.  i meant no harm
[19:30] <ubuntu> Another Question... when in Konquerer, when I press 'control all these bloody little letters (looks like scrabble tiles) appears on the screen
[19:30] <ubuntu> what does that mean?
[19:31] <Lynoure> ubuntu: it allows you to navigate web with keyboard
[19:31] <Lynoure> ubuntu: one letter per link
[19:32] <ubuntu> that's maddness, lol
[19:32] <SudoKing> is it a software or hardware problem if I changed the driver configuration and now the screen flickers off evry once in a while and I have to press the keyboard to get it back on?
[19:32] <Lynoure> not madness, quite handy sometimes
[19:32] <Lynoure> ubuntu: just press control again if you want it gone.
[19:32] <ubuntu> I think I like Linux... I was always so afraid to try it
[19:32] <SudoKing> :)
[19:32] <SudoKing> glad you do
[19:32] <ubuntu> One Final Question, this could be serious!!!
[19:32] <nixternal> ubuntu: those tiles are for accessibility, you can turn them off in Konqueror's settings
[19:32] <SSJ_GZ> ubuntu: You can turn the feature off, but I forget how.
[19:33] <vzduch> SudoKing: sounds just like power management or screensaver function
[19:33] <SudoKing> hmm
[19:33] <SudoKing> I don't have a screensaver set
[19:34] <vzduch> there's a trick to that.. but I too wonder why it does that even after disabling screensaver and even uninstalling KPowersave
[19:34] <ubuntu> Ok, When I inserted and istalled the Kubuntu CD, It could not run under normal graphics mode (it made a bunch of silly lines on the screen), I had to select 'safe graphics mode', could this foreshaddow serious graphics incompatibilities?
[19:35] <nixternal> ubuntu: ATI video card and a wide screen LCD by chance?
[19:35] <ubuntu> no, Geforce 6800 and normal LCD
[19:36] <ubuntu> so? Any idea?
[19:36] <nightfire> I have lots of ideas but I don't think any of them meet your need
[19:37] <nixternal> haha
[19:37] <ubuntu> ok, but seriously now?
[19:37] <nightfire> for what question ?
[19:37] <nixternal> ubuntu: it is the driver and screen res on the live cd being a pain...it goes away when you install typically...another thing you can try is downloading the alpha-2 hardy live cd and see if the lines are still there
[19:38] <nixternal> I believe the update to fix that line problem was back ported, or updated in gutsy after the live cd was released
[19:38] <ubuntu> ok, thanks...
[19:38] <ubuntu> oh, and can I run firefox in Kubuntu?
[19:38] <ScottG> yes
[19:38] <ubuntu> Cool... thanks
[19:38] <nixternal> ubuntu: yes, but you have to donate $25 to mozilla first ;)
[19:39] <ScottG> :)
[19:39] <ubuntu> I'm going to install it now, PERMA-nently
[19:39] <nixternal> sudo apt-get --purge remove firefox
[19:39] <ScottG> let us know how it goes :)
[19:39] <nixternal> get that evil beast off of my machine! :p
[19:44] <ubuntu> I'm back
[19:44] <ubuntu> Need one last thing, hehe
[19:44] <ScottG> that was quick :)
[19:45] <ScottG> yeah?
[19:45] <ubuntu> Should I choose, Guided, or manuel setup? I need to format the drive it's going to install to
[19:45] <ScottG> is it going to use a whole drive?
[19:45] <ubuntu> YES!
[19:46] <ScottG> then yes, guided will be suitable.. otherwise manual to select specific partitions..
[19:46] <mijo> I just installed kubuntu with manual setup for the first time. Worked well
[19:46] <ubuntu> Ok... then I'm off
[19:46] <ubuntu> thanks
[19:46] <ScottG> either way works
[19:46] <ScottG> manual gives more control..
[19:46] <nightfire> is Kbuntu alot different than ubuntu ?
[19:47] <mijo> I chose separate /, /var and /home partitions
[19:47] <crimsun> nightfire: not truly.
[19:47] <ScottG> it lags a little behind but otherwise very similar
[19:47] <ubuntu> you guys rule, Linux people are so much friendlier and so much more competent than Windows users
[19:47] <mijo> nightfire: To me it seems just to be the graphical shell that looks different. Otherwise it's the same thing
[19:47] <ScottG> well.. in Ubuntu KDE can be added..
[19:47] <ScottG> Gnome is the default
[19:47] <ScottG> thanks ubuntu
[19:48] <ScottG> I try..
[19:48] <ScottG> :)
[19:48] <ubuntu> Is Kubuntu or Ubuntu better?
[19:48] <nightfire> thanks
[19:48] <mijo> ScottG: I tried that, but then I got ubuntu and kubuntu apps mixed in the menus. Looked very cluttered to me
[19:48] <ScottG> ubuntu: it
[19:48] <ScottG> it's a matter of preference
[19:48] <ScottG> I prefer KDE over Gnome..
[19:48] <ubuntu> Because I think I just used my last bit of ADSL cap to freaking download this thing, and I thought I was doing the right thing by choosing Kubuntu above Ubuntu
[19:49] <ScottG> I feel KDE is more flexible, configurable and I guess I just like it more :)
[19:49] <ScottG> you can add "ubuntu-desktop" to Kubuntu to try that too..
[19:49] <ubuntu> Which is better for a n00b
[19:49] <ScottG> not as big as another ISO
[19:49] <ScottG> either..
[19:50] <ubuntu> ok, then i'm fully reassured and I'm off
[19:50] <ubuntu> g'bye, again
[19:50] <ScottG> good luck.. see you soon..
[19:50] <mijo> My installation of kubuntu went without any problems. That's always nice
[19:51] <sigma> how do you create a shortcut to a folder on the k-menu?
[19:52] <Lynoure> an entry into k-menu that is a shortcut to a folder, you mean?
[19:52] <ScottG> drag it there
[19:52] <sigma> Lynoure: yup thats what i mean, i tried dragging - it didnt work - the items don't show up on the k-menu after saving
[19:53] <Lynoure> sigma: right click on kmenu, file -> new item
[19:53] <sigma> say i want it to open "/home/sigma" what is the command?
[19:54] <Lynoure> sigma: then name it. Then modify the command to say  dolphin /home/sigma
[19:54] <Lynoure> or similarly with konq, if that rocks your world
[19:54] <sigma> Lynoure: and if im using konqueror?
[19:54] <Lynoure> Click on save in the end, and your good to go.
[19:54] <sigma> Lynoure: what is the command for konq?
[19:54] <arrrghhh> hey guys... so i've been driving myself crazy trying to find a very simple setting - the setting that disables mouse scroll wheel navigates windows and emulate a three button mouse... i looked in system settings for the better part of an hour to no avail.  i thought that's where i found them before, but i cannot!
[19:55] <ScottG> pretty easy solution..
[19:55] <sigma> Lynoure: ok its working, thanks:)
[19:55] <Lynoure> sigma: you are welcome :)
[19:57] <arrrghhh> anyone?  i want to shade/unshade with the mousewheel, not switch active windows...
[19:57] <sigma> i dont understand edubuntu, it uses so many kde educational apps but is still using gnome as the default desktop, would it not make more sense to use kde?
[19:58] <sigma> arrghhh: hmmm i've never heard that one before, did u try google it?
[19:58] <girolamo> !italiano
[19:58] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[19:58] <arrrghhh> i think edubuntu is developed moreso by people who develop for ubuntu...
[19:59] <arrrghhh> i've found the setting before, and now i cannot...
[19:59] <sigma> arrghhh: yeah good point! forgot about that one
[19:59] <ScottG> argh.. right click the KDE start button..
[19:59] <ScottG> Panel Menu > Configure pal
[20:00] <ScottG> panel
[20:00] <ScottG> under taskbar
[20:00] <ScottG> on the bottom
[20:00] <ScottG> is that what you're referring to?
[20:01] <Lynoure> Did not sound like that.
[20:01] <arrrghhh> no i looked there... so the default mousewheel option is to navigate active windows, right?
[20:02] <Lynoure> arrrghhh: I tend to like doubleclick for shade-unshade, but I can try to find it for you.
[20:02] <arrrghhh> well i found the setting to shade/unshade with the mousewheel, but that switching active windows takes precedent until i disable it.  i found it before, i thought it was in system settings but i'm striking out...
[20:02] <Lynoure> arrrghhh: mousewheel on taskbar navigates windows, cannot remember what the default on titlebars is.
[20:02] <sigma> my mousewheel just makes webpages move up and down, im sure you can disable what your one is doing
[20:03] <Lynoure> arrrghhh: System settings -> Window behavior -> Titlebar actions -> Titlebar wheel event
[20:04] <arrrghhh> if i put my mouse on a titlebar and scroll the wheel, it switches windows.
[20:04] <ScottG> right click on desktop..
[20:04] <wubba> !usb
[20:04] <ubotu> For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[20:04] <ScottG> Behavior
[20:04] <wubba> !wireless
[20:04] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[20:05] <sigma> oh yes i wanted to ask - that mscorefonts package in the repo - is it legal for everyone to use? i thought those fonts were copyrights of microsoft
[20:05] <ScottG> er.. Configure desktop
[20:05] <ScottG> then bahvior
[20:05] <pauljw> arrrghhh: rt clk on the title bar and select configure window behavior, the option is there to make the wheel shade /unshade
[20:05] <arrrghhh> Lynoure: yes, that is the setting i found.  now there's another setting somewhere, i don't know where, (i thought it would be under mouse settings)
[20:05] <arrrghhh> there it is!
[20:05] <ScottG> a bunch more :)
[20:06] <arrrghhh> you guys are close, but i found it in window decoration under configure window behavior - "cycle tasks with mouse wheel"
[20:06] <arrrghhh> if you don't disable that, the mousewheel shade/unshade is worthless.
[20:07] <ScottG> that's where I saw it.. pauljw pointed there
[20:07] <pauljw> :)
[20:07] <arrrghhh> ah that's better thanks.  now what about emulating a three button mouse?  i like being able to right/left click at the same time to close ff tabs or open links in a bg tab...
[20:07] <wubba> Can Ubuntu see a flash drive that is fat16?
[20:08] <sigma> should be able to
[20:09] <wubba> I need to install some drivers for a wireless ethernet card and I was hoping to put the files on the flash drive
[20:09] <arrrghhh> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/06/17/ubuntu-feisty-on-your-usb-drive-finally/ - i would say yes, that guy puts it in a fat16 partition.
[20:09] <wubba> ok - thanks
[20:10] <arrrghhh> so does anyone know where the settings are to emulate a three button mouse?  it's not in the obvious mouse options under system settings...
[20:12] <artur_> Does anyone  here had problem with skype(i can hear the person, but the person can't hear me) that is now solved?
[20:13] <Bynw> i'm using kubuntu and wanted to add some user accounts for other family members. went to user management, hit the administration mode and entered my password but the "new" button is still greyed out and cant be clicked.
[20:13] <sigma> wubba: but u should use fat32 to be safe
[20:14] <sigma> artur_: where did u download skype from?
[20:14] <Lynoure> artur_: used to have that, but it was simply matter of having my mixer settings wrong.
[20:16] <Lynoure> artur_: for starters check you have record on for your microphone
[20:16] <artur_> sigma:first i've downloaded in the site, and later i found out a way by inserting a line in my source.list and after...apt-get.
[20:16] <artur_> Lynoure: i can hear my own voice. =/
[20:16] <Lynoure> artur_: from echo service?
[20:17] <arrrghhh> artur_: have you tried calling yourself?  or that test service?
[20:17] <arrrghhh> i think echo service is what i'm referring to.
[20:17] <Lynoure> artur_: that just means you have input on, not necessarily that you have record on.
[20:17] <Lynoure> artur_: http://www.skype.com/help/guides/soundsetup_linux.html has whole bunch of things you could try, but really, mixer settings are most often a culprit
[20:18] <artur_> Lynoure: no, i mean when a say something in the microphone my i can hear my own voice at the same time.
[20:18] <Lynoure> Ideally you don't want to hear your voice from your speakers
[20:18] <Lynoure> as that makes nasty echo easily, if both that and record are on.
[20:18] <arrrghhh> artur_: try to call the echo service.  and if you do ever get it working, having your voice play through the speakers might drive the other person nuts.
[20:18] <arrrghhh> lol yea.
[20:19] <vzduch> that's why I prefer using headphones when speaking on the mic
[20:19] <artur_> i know, it was just to test if my microphone was working
[20:20] <artur_> vzduch: i tried in this way...
[20:20] <arrrghhh> artur_: skype has a test service where you make a free call, and say something into the mic and the recording plays it back for you.  if you can't hear it, there's something wrong.
[20:20] <Bynw> in fact administrator mode doesnt seem to work in the network configuration area either. i am unable to edit information there such as the dns servers i waant to use.
[20:21] <artur_> arrrghhh: yes, it's what happens. I can't hear the message that i've recorded.
[20:21] <arrrghhh> Bynw: i've noticed that as well... i can't remember how i fixed it because i added a user before for my roommate.
[20:21] <arrrghhh> artur_: i'm betting Lynoure is right, kmix is probably configured incorrectly.
[20:23] <artur_> arrrghhh: so, any idea about what should be changed there?
[20:23] <Lynoure> hmm
[20:23] <Lynoure> artur_: I told you, and gave you the url... should I repeat? :)
[20:23] <arrrghhh> well, under the input tab is the mic muted?
[20:23] <artur_> Lynoure: hmmm, i'm sorry.
[20:23] <arrrghhh> i would check all of those volume controls.
[20:24] <Lynoure> artur_: mute mic, turn record on. you can experiment with capture record on or off
[20:25] <Lynoure> artur_: for graphical version of that, Skype's own howto has pics: http://www.skype.com/help/guides/soundsetup_linux.html (and other stuff that you should not worry about before ruling out mixer things)
[20:27] <wubba> What is the root password for kubuntu?
[20:27] <Thingus> !root > wubba
[20:27] <hydrogen> !r0ot
[20:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about r0ot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:28] <arrrghhh> lol
[20:29] <ubuntu> dangit, all my linux fears are starting to come true!
[20:29] <ubuntu> Evreything was goinf well
[20:30] <jussi01> ubuntu: and?
[20:30] <Lynoure> ubuntu: relax, tell us your problems.
[20:30] <markit> Hi, I've tried to install kde in kubuntu 8.04alpha, but there are a lot of dependencies problems, is it normal? a known bug?
[20:30] <ubuntu> I'm back on the live CD... I installed Kubuntu, and opted for the full drive option and when I rebooted (AND I AM SURE I PICKED THE CORRECT HD and Boot drive), it simply said: Error loading operating system!
[20:30] <artur_> Lynoure:i've already seen this site before, but the screenshots of the Kmix are different than my kmix. In the Input tab i have "Front Mic Boost" "Mic Boost" "Capture" "Capture" "Digital". And there's no green LED, there's only the red LED in the botton.
[20:30] <arrrghhh> markit: 8.04alpha is extremely unstable.
[20:31] <arrrghhh> ubuntu: make sure GRUB is looking at the right drive.  i've had to change it sometimes.
[20:31] <ubuntu> What the freak is "RUB"
[20:31] <ubuntu> *GRUB
[20:32] <Lynoure> artur_: what version of Kubuntu are you on?
[20:32] <arrrghhh> ubuntu, when your system boots, you see a boot menu right?
[20:32] <evjunior09> Is VirtualBox free?
[20:32] <arrrghhh> evjunior09: yes
[20:32] <evjunior09> okay thanks
[20:32] <ubuntu> 7.1, latest one from the official site
[20:32] <artur_> Lynoure: the last 7.10
[20:32] <Lynoure> arrrghhh: no, VirtualBox is not free as in open source
[20:32] <arrrghhh> ubuntu: that's not what i asked... after your mobo goes thru all the POST stuff, you should see "grub loading please wait"
[20:33] <arrrghhh> Lynoure: i thought he was asking free as in free beer.
[20:33] <Lynoure> arrrghhh: They don't even let you use it free as in beer for business
[20:33] <ubuntu> Can anyone pls help me?
[20:33] <arrrghhh> but for personal use it's completely free i thought.
[20:33] <Lynoure> oh, sorry, yes they do if you compile it :)
[20:33] <arrrghhh> ubuntu: i am... evidently  you don't want me to help you.
[20:34] <arrrghhh> ubuntu: i'm betting it's a simple change in the GRUB bootloader.
[20:34] <ubuntu> I want you to?
[20:34] <arrrghhh> lol that's a question?
[20:34] <ubuntu> How do I change it?
[20:34] <arrrghhh> ok, you get an error 17 right?  cannot mount parition?
[20:34] <artur_> Lynoure: in the 3rd tab there are 3 select buttons. Channel Mod (2ch that is the only possible option) and 2 input source(both with Front Mic)
[20:34] <artur_> but i could choose MIC..
[20:34] <Lynoure> artur_: that's peculiar. And it is kmix you opened?
[20:35] <wubba> !wireless
[20:35] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[20:36] <artur_> Lynoure: Yes. My sound is ALSA, and i'm in a Laptop.(if it helps...)
[20:36] <ubuntu> arghh... I can't Private chat with you, I am unregistered??
[20:36] <Lynoure> artur_: same as I... and same version of Kubuntu. You do have Line, CD, Mic etc in the Input tab?
[20:36] <arrrghhh> i dunno
[20:36] <ubuntu> Please help me in yhis channel
[20:36] <artur_> the most strange is that in a previous instalation, i wasn't with this problem
[20:37] <jussi01> !register
[20:37] <arrrghhh> ubuntu well answer my question... it's an error 17 unable to mount partition
[20:37] <ubuntu> no, it simply says: Error: unable to load OS
[20:37] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[20:37] <arrrghhh> ubuntu: it doesn't give you an error number?  do you have another machine to chat in this while you fix the problem?
[20:37] <artur_> Lynoure: and also Front Mic
[20:38] <ubuntu> No, not at all
[20:38] <artur_> Lynoure: 4 options.
[20:38] <arrrghhh> so did you just boot with the livecd?
[20:38] <ubuntu> yes
[20:38] <ubuntu> Now I am using LiveCD
[20:39] <arrrghhh> ubuntu: this will be exceedingly difficult to do, but you'll have to reboot.  then when you get the error hit any key.  it'll bring you to the GRUB menu.  press 'e'.  this will allow you to edit the lines.
[20:39] <Lynoure> artur_: Sorry, I have hard time figuring out our setting without seeing them. And I'm kind of wondering how come you would not have input and record options for those all.
[20:40] <ubuntu> i pressed many buttons, it didn't bring up any menu
[20:40] <artur_> when i'm with my headphone and i say something i can hear this in the ear phone, but it seens that SKYPE can't get a 'connection' with my sound system, specially the MIC, cause as i said, i can hear the woman's voice.
[20:40] <arrrghhh> ubuntu: should say "root (hd2,0)" - although those numbers might be different.  the first number is your hdd, and the second is the partition on that hdd.  usually what i found was it assigned it to hd2,0, and it should be (hd0,0)
[20:41] <wubba> Is 7.04 Fesity or Gutsy?
[20:41] <ubuntu> I'm sure at some stage I read (0,0,0)
[20:41] <wubba> !Fesity
[20:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fesity - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:41] <vzduch> wubba: Gutsy is 7.10.. now go figure ;)
[20:41] <wubba> ty
[20:42] <arrrghhh> should only be two numbers.  ubuntu there's a way to edit GRUB from your livecd.  you'll have to mount your hdd with ubuntu on it.  do you have multiple hdds?
[20:42] <ubuntu> yes, 3
[20:42] <ubuntu> (well then it said 0,0)
[20:42] <Lynoure> artur_: like I said before, getting sound recorded from input is separate from getting it to play. Perhaps you could show me a screenshot of your mixer input screen?
[20:43] <Lynoure> artur_: you can also try with audacity if you think skype itself is to blame
[20:43] <arrrghhh> you might want to disconnect any hdds that you're not using for the install.  i found that was easiest when i was starting out... now i know what GRUB is all about so i can fix it if i need to.
[20:43] <ubuntu> When I pressed install permanently, I saw an option for GRUB in 'advance options', but I was afraid to select it
[20:43] <ubuntu> what is GRUB?
[20:44] <arrrghhh> !grub
[20:44] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[20:44] <Bynw> i've rebooted to make sure that wasnt the problem. and i've check it out in other system settings. clicking on the administator mode, i do get prompted for my password but the adminstration buttons that should become useable dont. not in any section of the system settings
[20:45] <ubuntu> Ok, I am going to disconnect my other to HD's... then install again!
[20:45] <ubuntu> In the installation menu should I fiddle with the Grub settings?
[20:45] <arrrghhh> ubuntu: i found that was the easiest way for me, when i was starting out.
[20:45] <artur_> Lynoure: i'm gonna do this. just a minute
[20:46] <arrrghhh> ubuntu: no, for the most part grub does a good job.  for some reason it can get messed up with multiple hdds (especially if they mix intefaces, P-ATA, S-ATA, etc.)
[20:46] <arrrghhh> ubuntu: and with only one hdd installed, grub really has nothing to mess up.
[20:46] <ubuntu> Ok great, then I'm off
[20:46] <ubuntu> Any last minute advice?
[20:47] <ubuntu> I really don't want to go through all this nonsense again?
[20:47] <arrrghhh> may the open source force be with you.
[20:47] <ubuntu> damn, that wasn't a question, lol
[20:48] <jtt> is anyone here doing Voip with any plantronics headsets
[20:48] <arrrghhh> ubuntu: just take your time, make sure you read everything (especially if you don't understand...)
[20:48] <arrrghhh> ah well.
[20:50] <SatManUK> !grub
[20:50] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[20:51] <yadoy666> hallo
[20:52] <yadoy666> indonesia here
[20:52] <Lynoure> yadoy666: is there anything you need help with?
[20:52] <arrrghhh> lmao
[20:53] <SatManUK> guys im trying to install grub after having to reinstall linux and i always struggle im trying to follow the howto but im struggling..
[20:53] <arrrghhh> guess not.
[20:53] <arrrghhh> SatManUK: there's always supergrub.
[20:54] <SatManUK> whats supergrub?
[20:54] <arrrghhh> i don't mean to be a d!ck but google is your friend.
[20:55] <arrrghhh> well, maybe i do mean to be a d!ck, but you can't learn if i hand-feed ya.
[20:55] <SatManUK> im wating for the page to load
[20:55] <SatManUK> its 1am and christmas day .. break please..
[20:56] <arrrghhh> lol it's 1pm and christmas eve here.
[20:56] <arrrghhh> thanks kids, i'm out.
[20:57] <vzduch> West Coast.. yo mother****** :D
[20:57] <vzduch> scnr
[20:58] <SatManUK> why do i need to burn a grub cd..
[20:58] <SatManUK> can't i just install it from the live cd?
[20:59] <Lynoure> SatManUK: what were you trying to achieve, again?
[20:59] <SatManUK> repair of grub
[20:59] <vzduch> you don't need to burn a CD.. you can also write a floppy (if you still know what that is ;))
[20:59] <SatManUK> i dont have a drive..
[21:00] <SatManUK> ah the computer does but i dont have even 1 disk..
[21:00] <vzduch> Super Grub Disk is probably the easiest way to restore a Grub.. but definitely not the only way
[21:00] <SatManUK> where to get a blank floppy disk at 1am..
[21:00] <SatManUK> i will burn the iso..
[21:00] <vzduch> 1 a.m.?  where you at? o0
[21:00] <SatManUK> why can't they just write a simple install grub script into the live cd..
[21:00] <SatManUK> Tbilisi, Georgia..
[21:00] <SatManUK> Merry Christmas BTW..
[21:00] <jpatrick> vzduch: UK by the looks of it
[21:00] <SatManUK> im from uk
[21:01] <SatManUK> but living in Tbilisi, Georgia
[21:01] <jpatrick> ah
[21:01] <SatManUK> in uk its 9pm
[21:01] <jpatrick> I'm from the UK but living in Spain
[21:01] <SatManUK> well its cheaper here than spain..
[21:01] <whuffor> Sweden here
[21:01] <vzduch> Germany here
[21:01] <SatManUK> i been to malmo..
[21:01] <SatManUK> offtopic lol
[21:01] <whuffor> Me too. I prefer my own city of Stockholm :)
[21:01] <vzduch> trying to move to the Netherlands some time next year
[21:02] <SatManUK> lets focus on grub here and take the why here their etc to kubuntu-offtopic
[21:02] <SatManUK> does anybody the know the step by steps for grub itself?
[21:02] <SatManUK> i tried chroot /sda1
[21:02] <SatManUK> i mounted /dev/sda2 into /sda1
[21:03] <SatManUK> i tried sudo grub-install /dev/sda but it says its not a valid block device
[21:04] <vzduch> tried /dev/sda1 instead?
[21:05] <vzduch> should work as well if it's not on an extended partition
[21:05] <vzduch> (well, disregard that, logical mistake on my part)
[21:05] <vzduch> sda1 cannot be on an extended partition
[21:05] <NeoFax> G'Day everyone!
[21:11] <jhutchins> vzduch: Why not?
[21:11] <vzduch> jhutchins: it can be an extended partition itself, but everything that's on this extended partition starts w/ sdX5
[21:12] <jhutchins> k, that's what I thought.
[21:12] <jhutchins> vzduch: Of course, linux allows more than four primary partitions.
[21:12] <vzduch> never heard of that
[21:13] <jhutchins> Strictly a DOS limitation.
[21:19] <lordofthepigs> is there anyway to get the current screen orientation, to use with xrandr?
[21:19] <lordofthepigs> like whether it currently is normal, left, inverted or right?
[21:20] <NeoFax> lordofthepigs: I think xdpyinfo does state the resolotion.  If not, kcontrol does
[21:24] <purpleposeidon> lordofthepigs: Just calling xrandr without any arguments should display the current orientation.
[21:24] <jhutchins> lordofthepigs: Under configure display, there's "Orientation".  All greyed out on mine.
[21:28] <lordofthepigs> purpleposeidon: hmm... it doesn't display the current orientation
[21:29] <purpleposeidon> Well, mine says "Current rotation - normal"
[21:29] <lordofthepigs> really?
[21:30] <lordofthepigs> mine says "Screen 0: minimum 320x200, current 1024x600, maximum 1024x1024" and all sorts of additional infos
[21:33] <lordofthepigs> purpleposeidon: Actually, what I would want is a script that would rotate the screen 90° every time it is called
[21:35] <jhutchins> lordofthepigs: You're not running 4 are you?
[21:35] <purpleposeidon> lordofthepigs: if xrandr doesn't say in the output, I don't know. :P
[21:35] <lordofthepigs> jhutchins: sorry?
[21:36] <TheFuzzball> Does anyone know what embeded plugin can play .divx files in Konqueror?
[21:37] <lordofthepigs> jhutchins: What do you mean exactly?
[21:40] <Cannoli> how do i get permanent root access in terminal for this session?
[21:41] <vzduch> huh?
[21:41] <NeoFax> Cannoli: Sudo su -
[21:41] <vzduch> ah
[21:42] <jhutchins> lordofthepigs: I mean are you asking about kde4 or kde 3.5?
[21:42] <jhutchins> !info krandrtray
[21:42] <ubotu> Package krandrtray does not exist in gutsy
[21:43] <lordofthepigs> hmm, I just found out that I can get the information with xrandr --verbose
[21:43] <lordofthepigs> then grep to the line of my display
[21:43] <Cannoli> ty
[21:43] <jhutchins> !info krandr
[21:43] <ubotu> Package krandr does not exist in gutsy
[21:43] <TheFuzzball> !divx
[21:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[21:43] <jhutchins> maybe it's part of kdetools or something.
[21:52] <bynw> ok i was having difficulty with the administration mode not working in the system settings. i've reinstalled kubuntu and it works. however i think i know what caused the problem. there are updates available in adept, so if i install these updates it may not work properly again. what am i doing incorrectly?
[21:53] <nick-3334> how do I install libdvdread?
[21:53] <vzduch> sudo apt-get install libdvdread
[21:54] <vzduch> :P
[21:54] <ardchoille> nick-3334: sudo apt-get install libdvdread3
[21:55] <ardchoille> nick-3334: apt-cache search libdvdread  :)
[21:55] <bynw> i'm gonna go apply the updates again and see if i loose the ability too get into administration mode
[21:59] <nick-3334> how do I install dvd-css
[22:00] <vzduch> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss
[22:00] <vzduch> :P
[22:00] <ardchoille> vzduch: It's not in the repos. Neither is libdvdread
[22:00] <ardchoille> !medibuntu | nick-3334
[22:00] <ubotu> nick-3334: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[22:00] <nick-3334> !medibuntu
[22:00] <vzduch> ardchoille: isn't that a repo? :D
[22:03] <ardchoille> vzduch: Yes, but he has to add that repo to be able to use it, it's not an official repo.
[22:05] <ubuntu_> hello
[22:08] <wubba> How can I stop Xwindows so I can install some Nvidia drivers?
[22:09] <vzduch> wubba: install a kernel module
[22:09] <wubba> vzducH: I just want to exit out of xwindows
[22:09] <vzduch> no need to stop X for that, only requires a reboot when you're finished
[22:10] <ardchoille> wubba: cltr+alt+f2, type in "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop" (without quotes)
[22:10] <wubba> The nvidia file comes up and says that I can't install when X is running
[22:10] <ardchoille> vzduch: Installing the nvidia drivers does not require a reboot
[22:10] <wubba> How do you get back to xwindows then?
[22:11] <vzduch> ardchoille: strictly spoken it doesn't, right.. but afaik it's recommended to reboot after installing a kmod
[22:11] <ardchoille> wubba: After the nvidia driver is installed, type "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start" and you should be sent back to tty7
[22:11] <ardchoille> vzduch: Wrong again
[22:11] <ardchoille> !nvidia | wubba
[22:11] <ubotu> wubba: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[22:13] <haskear> hello, can anyone help me stop my screen fading to black? its not the screensaver or powersaving. Im at my wits end with it
[22:13] <wubba> When I go out to F2 it ask for a username/password - I am using Linuxmce
[22:14] <ardchoille> wubba: Did you read the nvidia wiki page first?
[22:15] <wubba> What I read was to do an sh then the file name - which I did - and it comes up and says you can't run it in X
[22:15] <ardchoille> wubba: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[22:17] <wubba> I don't have Administration under System
[22:17] <wiehan> what do I type to register my nick?
[22:17] <ardchoille> !register | wiehan
[22:17] <ubotu> wiehan: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[22:17] <ardchoille> wubba: Why not?
[22:17] <wiehan> !register | Wiehan
[22:18] <Linux_Galore> wubba: just edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file look for the Driver "nvidia" line and change it to "nv" save then sudo halt
[22:18] <ardchoille> Linux_Galore: From what he has posted, he doesn't have nvidia installed yet
[22:18] <wiehan> that quite obviously didn't work
[22:18] <wubba> ard: Not sure why not
[22:19] <wubba> I'm running Linuxmce - maybe?
[22:19] <Linux_Galore> ardchoille: thought he has the normal kernel update nvidia driver breaking problem
[22:19] <ardchoille> wiehan: Did you read the webpage ubotu posted to you?
[22:19] <wiehan> nah
[22:19] <wiehan> Easier to get the quick how-to from the pro's in this channel ;-)
[22:20] <ardchoille> wiehan: It's best to get the current and correct info and you can read the webpage to do that :)
[22:20] <Linux_Galore> wiehan: always do a sudo apt-get install envy  then  envy -t
[22:20] <bynw> ok that's it. something in the updates causes loss of the administration mode in the system settings.
[22:20] <ardchoille> !envy | Linux_Galore
[22:21] <ubotu> Linux_Galore: envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[22:21] <Linux_Galore> ardchoille: yeah I know but i tried the howto method and it didnt work for me either
[22:21] <lordofthepigs> in ubuntu what's the difference between runlevel 2 and 3 (seems 4 and 5 are the same as 3)
[22:21] <ardchoille> Linux_Galore: That doesn't mean it won't work for others.
[22:22] <bynw> and when i was installing those updates i got this message: There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[22:22] <ardchoille> lordofthepigs:  Runlevel 2 is used to start most of the machines services.  Runlevel 3 is commonly used by servers. This loads all services except the X windows system.
[22:22] <Linux_Galore> ardchoille: Ubuntu has some serious breakage and problem with certain agp chipsets when it comes to selecting the correct defaults for nvidia, envy has had a far better success rate across all the systems I have admined than the stupid howto
[22:22] <rami> i have a 3rd gen ipod nano, but i can not sync it to the computer, how can i do that?
[22:23] <wubba> Will ENvy download the new drivers?
[22:23] <ardchoille> Linux_Galore: When in this channel, we must adhere to the officially recommended methods. Please do so.
[22:23] <ardchoille> !envy | wubba
[22:23] <ubotu> wubba: envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[22:23] <Linux_Galore> ardchoille: even if they are inherently broken for 30% of paltfroms
[22:23] <ardchoille> Linux_Galore: Broken for you doesn't men broken for all.
[22:23] <ardchoille> *mean
[22:24] <wubba> ubotu: I don't have that choice
[22:24] <rami> !ipod
[22:24] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[22:24] <Linux_Galore> ardchoille: dude, the defaults for the install for nvidia are really bad
[22:24] <mot_> how do i restart xine?
[22:24] <wiehan> mot is dit jy?
[22:24] <ardchoille> wubba: It's possible that linuxmce is a bit different.
[22:24] <mot_> what?
[22:24] <_cj> Linux_Galore: adminning desktop linux machines must be a really shitty job
[22:24] <wiehan> Marius?
[22:24] <mot_> no
[22:24] <wiehan> oh, hehe
[22:25] <ardchoille> !language | _cj
[22:25] <ubotu> _cj: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[22:25] <Linux_Galore> _cj: especially when Ubuntu hardware people dont learn from mistakes
[22:25] <Pollywog> I think he meant shoddy
[22:25] <wubba> is there a way to start that program from x?
[22:25] <_cj> Linux_Galore: tell me about it. my IBM eServers needed custome kernels just to recognize the cd drives they were installed via!
[22:26] <wubba> from terminal?
[22:26] <wiehan> I just installed the latest version of Kubuntu, why should I install the 100mb+ load of updates? I though Linux was infallable?
[22:26] <ardchoille> wiehan: You should always keep your system up to date.
[22:26] <wiehan> ok, good enough for me :-)
[22:26] <Pollywog> wiehan: it is only infallible with updates for infallibility
[22:26] <_cj> wiehan: feel free to ignore the updates. you'll be no less "infallable" than your proprietory a;ternatives
[22:27] <bynw> when installing those updates, you loose the administration mode functionality in system settings
[22:27] <Linux_Galore> _cj: I read the rss blog notes from the dev for envy, he has some pretty quirky code to compensate for serious weirdness with nvidia and certain hardware types, these are totally missing in the ubuntu stuff
[22:27] <ardchoille> !ot | Linux_Galore
[22:27] <ubotu> Linux_Galore: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[22:27] <wiehan> listen, evryone keeps talking about repositories, I've read a bit about waht they are? Should I enable them right off the bat?
[22:27] <rami> Sorry for being desperate, but i have problems with my third generation ipod nano, it wont sync with the computer, and when i try to install the libgpod package it says"Error: dependency not satisfiable:libc6" but i already have libc6 installed, what shall i do?
[22:27] <ardchoille> wiehan: Which version of kubuntu are you using?
[22:28] <Pollywog> rami: you didn't install a Debian package on an Ubuntu system, did you?
[22:28] <wiehan> 7.10
[22:28] <rami> i tried
[22:28] <ardchoille> wiehan: Then all of the official repos should be enabled by default
[22:28] <Pollywog> rami: no don
[22:28] <Pollywog> rami: no don't do that
[22:29] <Pollywog> if you do, you will have those types of problems
[22:29] <rami> it was in the ubuntu device manager
[22:29] <Linux_Galore> ardchoille: wil you compensate wiehan for the next few hours of his time when he could have got it working with envy in 10 min
[22:29] <wiehan> so, can I install stuff like firefox, etc, and all of them will work? (given that it's the Linux version)
[22:29] <ardchoille> wiehan: If you can pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, I can take a look and let you know.
[22:29] <ardchoille> !paste | wiehan
[22:29] <ubotu> wiehan: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:29] <_cj> Linux_Galore: i pretty much use openbsd exclusively so anything glx is beyond my tempor threshold :_
[22:30] <ardchoille> Linux_Galore: envy is not supported, please take it to another channel.
[22:30] <wiehan> how do I do that?
[22:30] <Pollywog> rami: some Debian packages might work but libc6 from Debian repositories will break an Ubuntu system
[22:30] <Linux_Galore> ardchoille: your avoiding the issue, you have not established his hardware nor if the actual method suites his hardware
[22:30] <ardchoille> Linux_Galore: Take it to another channel, last warning.
[22:31] <Pollywog> rami: have you tried gtkpod?
[22:32] <dash_> feliz navidad a todos
[22:32] <dash_> ^
[22:32] <dash_> ^
[22:33] <rami> oh no.....
[22:35] <rami> so am i in big trouble?
[22:35] <ardchoille> rami: For what?
[22:35] <Pollywog> rami: check your sources.list
[22:36] <Pollywog> make sure you do not have debian entries in there
[22:36] <rami> dont sau such thing to a 13 year old! simplify.
[22:36] <Pollywog> then try doing an update
[22:36] <rami> sat*
[22:36] <Pollywog> check the file /etc/sources.list
[22:36] <ardchoille> /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:37] <Pollywog> ardchoille: ty
[22:37] <Pollywog> it's /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:37]  * Pollywog has been using FreeBSD too
[22:42] <rami_> oh the connection cut
[22:42] <rami_> but i still cant find it guys
[22:42] <ardchoille> rami: What are you looking for, the sources.list?
[22:43] <flokuehn> merry christmas to all of you.
[22:43] <Pollywog> ardchoille: it seems rami might have installed some packages from Debian sources, if I understood correctly
[22:44] <rami_> yes. i found sources.list
[22:44] <rami_> but (freely translated) program sources came up
[22:44] <rami_> yes.
[22:44] <Pollywog> or he/she tried to
[22:44] <rami_> he
[22:45] <ardchoille> rami: Can you paste the content of your sources.list to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org please?
[22:45] <Pollywog> perhaps an update will fix the problems once he knows that there are no sources he should not use
[22:45] <rami_> can try
[22:45] <ardchoille> Pollywog: Good point
[22:46] <rami_> i already installed 146 updates today
[22:46] <ardchoille> rami_: We need to take a look at your sources.list to ensure you aren't using what you shouldn't be using
[22:47] <rami_> since i havent got internet for like 2 months
[22:47] <rami_> and btw, broken link
[22:47] <rami_> or may be my internet again
[22:47] <rami_> yes yes
[22:47] <ardchoille> rami_: Might be your connection, it works here.
[22:48] <ardchoille> rami_: Does this one work? http://pastebin.ca/
[22:49] <rami_> ardchoille: i dont know how to send it though. and no that doesnt work either
[22:50] <ardchoille> rami_: Well, when you get to a pastebin, you simply copy and paste the contents of the file into the pastebin. It will give you a link to give to us so we can see what you pasted.
[22:50] <Pollywog> rami_: are you using two computers at the moment?
[22:51] <Pollywog> one in IRC and the machine that is giving you problems?
[22:59] <wiehan> what would happen if I enable all of the repositories?
[22:59] <Dr_willis> Not a lot. :) it would let you isntall a larger varityof pacakges.
[23:00] <Dr_willis> if you enable them - and install nothing..  Nothing at all will happen.
[23:00] <ardchoille> wiehan: Can you copy and paste the contents of the /etc/apt/sources.list file into http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org so I can take a look at its content?
[23:01] <Dr_willis> !training
[23:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about training - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:02]  * Linux_Galore pokes wiehan
[23:03] <Dr_willis> Are there (I imagine there are) some affordable places that can take a pdf file and print it out to a nice book for a reasonable price?
[23:03] <Dr_willis> Not sure what to google for -
[23:04] <ardchoille> wiehan: Ok, now give us the url that pastebin gave you. We need that to be able to see what you pasted
[23:05] <wiehan> I PMed you
[23:05] <ardchoille> wiehan: Yes, but we should keep it in the channel so there are more eyes on the issue :)
[23:05] <notv> is it possible to tether my phone to kubuntu to use it as a modem?
[23:05] <notv> its an HTC 3G phone
[23:06] <notv> it works on windows but i want to use kubuntu on my dell laptop
[23:06] <notv> is it possible to tether my phone to my laptop to use it as a modem?
[23:07] <ardchoille> notv: I'm not sure, but I have heard others using their phone as a USB modem or bluetooth modem.
[23:07] <notv> yes a usb modem
[23:07] <notv> thats what im wanting to do
[23:07] <notv> so this is possible?
[23:07] <Dr_willis> possible.. :) in general...
[23:07] <ardchoille> notv: Hopefully someone will have an answer for that
[23:07] <Dr_willis> but i bet some research will need to be done.
[23:08] <ardchoille> notv: Perhaps search the ubuntu forums for usb modem?
[23:08] <Dr_willis> Id say step 1 is getting bluetooth working. Or are you going to use usb?
[23:09] <notv> ardchoille: thanks, im on it
[23:09] <notv> dr_willis: usb
[23:09] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: Thanks, he's on it :)
[23:10] <Dr_willis> You do have a dialup ISP account?
[23:12] <notv> yes
[23:13]  * Dr_willis had to ask that Obvious question. :)
[23:13] <ardchoille> :)
[23:13] <notv> = )
[23:13] <Dr_willis> In this channel you dont assume Anything.
[23:14] <Dr_willis> I dont even have a House Phone any more. Unless you count Skype. Wonder if i can use Skype to dial up a BBS. :)
[23:14] <notv> looks hairy
[23:19] <notv> it looks like bluetooth might be easier than usb
[23:25] <ganymede> hello, i am trying to select a font in kde control center, but the condensed, semicondensed, extended, and semiextended versions are not in the font style list
[23:25] <ganymede>  i was able to select the semicondensed version by editing config files by hand
[23:33] <rami__> internet cut again....
[23:34] <rami__> but i<cant get the pASTEBIN to work
[23:35] <ardchoille> rami__: Does ot load in the browser at all?
[23:35] <ardchoille> *it
[23:36] <X314> can anyone give me a quick runthrough of installing something with a rpm file?
[23:36] <ardchoille> X314: Don't use rpm files, you can cause problem. Look in the repos or look for a .deb file made for Ubuntu. What are you trying to install.
[23:37] <ardchoille> !rpm
[23:37] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[23:38] <X314> ardchoille: well. pretty much rpm is all I can get, its drivers for my printer..
[23:38] <Dr_willis> what kind of printer?
[23:38] <ardchoille> X314: Are you sure your printer isn't already compatible? Kubuntu has lots of printer drivers.
[23:39] <Dr_willis> Theres also some extra printer 'drivers' not installed by default for older printers i recall.
[23:39] <rami__> no.
[23:39] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: That's good to know
[23:40] <X314> well.. its not old.. so..
[23:40] <jmm_wifi> Hey mates
[23:41] <ardchoille> Hi jmm_wifi
[23:41] <jmm_wifi> merry xmas to all yah
[23:41] <jmm_wifi> hi ardchoile
[23:42] <jmm_wifi> lot's xmas gifs
[23:42] <jmm_wifi> to all
[23:43] <X314> Though. I will try if it will just work.. who knows.. maybe I'll get lucky :p
[23:43] <jmm_wifi> ok Hard question to all
[23:44] <jmm_wifi> i got a athlon 64 4000+ x2
[23:44] <jmm_wifi> i can install 32 bit distros on it
[23:44] <wubba> jmm: Yes
[23:45] <jmm_wifi> ok
[23:45] <jmm_wifi> thank you...
[23:45] <Evolution2> hey guys,  I keep getting that superblock error telling me that it can't find the UUID of my kubuntu partition. can someone tell me how to find and replace the wrong UUID with the right one please? I have gutsy 32x
[23:45] <X314> nope
[23:45] <jmm_wifi> but i've got to install any x86 distro
[23:45] <Dr_willis> !uuid
[23:46] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[23:46] <jmm_wifi> or a amd specific distro
[23:46] <wubba> I don't believe there is a 'specific distro' for AMD - just 32/64
[23:46] <Dr_willis> Hmm grub isent seeing the right uuid?   You could set up grub to use the normal /dev/whatever type name. i guess.. or find the right uuid and enter it.. or change the disks uuid to what grub thinks it should be.
[23:46]  * Dr_willis seconds what wubba  said.
[23:47] <Dr_willis> You can compile apps for specific optimizations for specific cpus I guess.. but thats a bit overkill.
[23:47] <vzduch> Grub can use UUIDs?
[23:47] <Evolution2> Dr_willis: I got this error before. it seems to happen everytime I install a new partition the numbers get messed up
[23:47] <jmm_wifi> wubba
[23:47] <vzduch> I know that /etc/fstab can
[23:47] <jmm_wifi> don't think so
[23:47] <Evolution2> I have kubuntu, ubuntu, and studio
[23:47] <Evolution2> no windows :)
[23:47] <X314> ardchoille: so.. can I get the rpm file to work or should I just screw it?
[23:47] <Dr_willis> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID=91c4c158-95c4-45cd-af01-78039aaf0218 ro qui
[23:48] <wubba> jmm: don't think so what?
[23:48] <vzduch> ah
[23:48] <Dr_willis> The kernel intry in menu.lst is using the UUID. :)
[23:48] <jmm_wifi> that it isnt a specific distro for amd
[23:48] <ardchoille> X314: I would suggest never using rpm files on *ubuntu systems, it can cause problems.
[23:49] <wubba> jmm: I thought you were asking if there was a specific disto - there isn't - just download the 32 or 64 if your using a 64 bit processor
[23:49] <jmm_wifi> kububkubuntu-7.10-alternate-amd64.iso
[23:49] <jmm_wifi> ok
[23:49] <vzduch> kububkubuntu?
[23:49] <Dr_willis> amd64 is the generic name for '64bit disrto' :)
[23:49] <jmm_wifi> oh sorry my mistake
[23:49] <jmm_wifi> lol
[23:49] <X314> ardchoille: ah well. okay ^^ thanks :) take care.. and merry christmas to you ;)
[23:49] <Dr_willis> since amd had the first  common 64bit cpus I guess..
[23:49] <jmm_wifi> newbie
[23:49] <jmm_wifi> here
[23:49] <ardchoille> X314: Thank you, same to you :)
[23:51] <jmm_wifi> but can i install a i586 distro for instance ...
[23:51] <Dr_willis> I always use the 32bit disrtos.. Its less hassle
[23:52] <Dr_willis> theres no requirement for 64bit disrto on the 64bit cpus
[23:52] <Dr_willis> Its not needed. :) people often dont realize that
[23:52] <Dr_willis> it 'can' be a little more optmized/efficent at times.. but it depends on your needs.
[23:52] <jmm_wifi> that's my problem
[23:52] <ardchoille> And with kubuntu, from what I've seen, it's a lot more work to get 64 working
[23:53] <Dragnslcr> Unless you have 4 GB of memory, it's probably not any better
[23:53] <jmm_wifi> specif apps not released for 64 bit distro
[23:53] <sourcemaker> How can I build my own kernel in kubuntu using the last stable vanilla kernel... (with nvidia support)? I know how to compile and install but I have read... that kunbutu is quit different to other distros like gentoo
[23:53] <Dr_willis> Even with 4gb of memory it may or may not be an issue. :)
[23:53] <ardchoille> !kernel
[23:53] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[23:54] <Dr_willis> i think ya mean 'gentoo' is quite diffrent  from  the otehr disrtos. :)
[23:54] <ardchoille> !nvidia | sourcemaker have you seen this page?
[23:54] <ubotu> sourcemaker have you seen this page?: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[23:54] <sourcemaker> ardchoille: I know this guide... but I will use the last vanilla kernel... not 2.6.22 :-)
[23:54] <Dr_willis> the phrase 'kernel with nvidia support' is confusing to me.. You isntall the nvidia drivers for your kernel.. so whats so special about the vanilla kernel?
[23:54] <ardchoille> sourcemaker: Ah, ok
[23:55] <jmm_wifi> ok and how do i install drivers for my ati pro 2400 hd based g card
[23:55] <sourcemaker> ardchoille: I am coming from the gentoo world :-) I wan't to have the last stable kernel... 2.6.22 does not work for me
[23:55] <Dr_willis> !ati
[23:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[23:55] <ardchoille> sourcemaker: Ok, then perhaps that kernel post from ubotu will help you :)
[23:57] <sourcemaker> ardchoille: ok... thanks... I will try
[23:57] <jmm_wifi> i'll give a look to that
[23:58] <sourcemaker> ardchoille: Is there a difference between vanilla and kubuntu kernel repos?
[23:58] <ardchoille> sourcemaker: I don't really know, I'm not much with kernel stuff.
[23:59] <sourcemaker> ardchoille: ok