[00:04] <DanaG> WTF?
[00:04] <DanaG> Amarok's audio just randomly moved to the wrong audio device.
[04:18] <IdleOne> welcome
[04:18] <n00bie> thanks a lot
[04:18] <IdleOne> now listen
[04:18] <n00bie> "DO NOT RUN HARDY"
[04:18] <n00bie> well is this worst than sid?
[04:18] <IdleOne> leap frogging from dapper to hardy will not work
[04:19] <IdleOne> it will break everything
[04:19] <IdleOne> that is why I suggested doing a fresh install
[04:19] <n00bie> what is newer than drapper and earlier than hardy and at least kinda works?
[04:19] <IdleOne> dapper>edgy>feisty>gutsy>hardy
[04:20] <IdleOne> in that order
[04:20] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: well, not break everything.  but very rocky
[04:20] <Hobbsee> n00bie: gutsy is good.
[04:20] <Hobbsee> n00bie: they all work
[04:20] <IdleOne> but will take you hours to upgrade to each version so might as well do a fresh install if you want to run alpha
[04:20] <Hobbsee> you don't want hardy, if you're new
[04:20] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: he has been in sid for 5 years now :)
[04:21] <IdleOne> so he wants to jump from dapper to hardy
[04:21] <n00bie> so just change from dapper to gutsy in a single step, right? or is there an upgrade procedure_
[04:21] <Hobbsee> ahh
[04:21]  * Hobbsee sighs at people who don't read, nor seem to understand upgrade proceedures
[04:21] <IdleOne> n00bie: the procedure is one version at a time dont skip version
[04:21] <n00bie> not really, i just want something stable but nobody recommended anything, and the only word i hear now is "hardy" and now "not hardy"
[04:21] <Hobbsee> n00bie: it's probably the equivalent of potato to sid.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> n00bie: you heard from teh wrong people.  hardy is not stable
[04:22] <Hobbsee> gutsy is stable.
[04:22] <n00bie> great.
[04:22] <Amaranth> IdleOne: dapper to hardy will be supported
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: not yet, though
[04:22] <n00bie> thanks, i'll follow the upgrade procedure one version at a time
[04:22] <IdleOne> Amaranth: but isnt yet
[04:22] <Amaranth> people have already started testing it and fixing problems
[04:22] <IdleOne> n00bie: good idea :)
[04:22] <Amaranth> it sort of works :P
[04:23] <Amaranth> n00bie: upgrade one version at a time from dapper to gutsy or hardy will take days
[04:23] <Amaranth> faster to make a backup and do a clean install
[04:23] <IdleOne> that is what I been saying
[04:23] <IdleOne> lol
[04:23] <IdleOne> why wont people just listen
[04:25]  * IdleOne is trying to save n00bie from making a mistake and then being put off from Ubuntu. step 1: read topic. Step 2: !backup Step 3: fresh install
[04:26] <n00bie> well i have no meaningfull data, if this doesn't work i'll do the fresh install
[04:26] <IdleOne> your call!
[04:26] <n00bie> and something else, i'm seeing a kernel image update, i hope it's 2.6.22
[04:27] <IdleOne> 2.6.24 is hardy is using IIRC
[04:27] <n00bie> nice
[04:27] <n00bie> but i guess gutsy would be at least 2.6.22 or 23?
[04:28] <IdleOne> I need Ibuprofen got a " Spent way to much money Xmas shopping" headache
[04:28] <Amaranth> gutsy is 2.6.22
[04:29] <IdleOne> odd # are testing right?
[04:29] <kristjan_> ehy,
[04:29] <IdleOne> hey
[04:30] <kristjan_> I love to hit "Enter" accidentally
[04:30] <kristjan_> is it possible to download kubuntu 8.04 with kde4?
[04:31] <IdleOne> kristjan_: dont think so but try asking in #kubuntu
[04:31] <IdleOne> you can build kde4 yourself I believe
[04:31] <kristjan_> IdleOne: isn't this channel also for kubuntu next release?
[04:32] <kristjan_> IdleOne: kubuntu 8.04 is supposed to come on two different cd's right?
[04:32] <IdleOne> kristjan_: I have no idea
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: they've updated that
[04:41] <Hobbsee> kristjan_: not currently
[04:41] <kristjan_> Hobbsee: do you know then? beta1? :-)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> kristjan_: sometime after kde4 is released.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> kristjan_: it'll be announced on kubuntu.org
[04:42]  * Hobbsee is not aware of when it will happen - still needs some bugs solved first
[04:42] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: see http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/
[04:43] <IdleOne> sure thing
[04:44]  * Hobbsee ponders writing an email sometimes on what it all means in laymans terms
[04:44]  * Hobbsee sees the kubuntu-devel mialing list is bikeshedding, again
[04:48] <IdleOne> seems like canonical is slowly cutting back support to versions other the Ubuntu
[04:48] <IdleOne> s/the/then
[04:49] <Hobbsee> it never supported xubuntu anywa
[04:49] <Hobbsee> y
[04:49] <Hobbsee> and adding more versions, you'll note
[04:49] <IdleOne> I dont use kde but I would think it would make more sense to focus on one CD. KDE4 CD
[04:50] <Hobbsee> there are reasons nto to do that
[04:50] <IdleOne> having the devs working on kde3 and kde4 spreads them thin
[04:50] <Hobbsee> who says they'd do much to kde3?
[04:50] <kristjan_> IdleOne: how many kubuntu devs are there anyways?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> not enough
[04:50] <IdleOne> probably more then Ubuntu devs
[04:51] <kristjan_> one, two?
[04:51] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: uh, no
[04:51] <kristjan_> (devs who get paid by canonical)
[04:51] <Hobbsee> one who gets paid by canonical, and the artwork guy, who does it for kubuntu/ubuntu
[04:51] <IdleOne> like I said I dont use kde so I cant wax on the subject
[04:53] <kristjan_> Hobbsee: I could never have guessed that the same person is behind both default looks
[04:55] <Hobbsee> well, kubuntu is a vote
[04:57] <dmb> is firefox 3 beta or final going to be included in hardy?
[04:58] <Amaranth> kristjan_: actually he isn't
[04:58] <Amaranth> kristjan_: He did the Kubuntu stuff then got hired by Canonical to do artwork, afaik
[04:59] <Amaranth> We haven't had an Ubuntu release with him doing artwork yet
[05:33] <jack_> hello
[05:33] <jack_> im interested in the new beta
[05:33] <jack_> anyone trying it out?
[05:34] <DarkMageZ> hardy hit beta?
[05:34] <Ash_Heron> updating to alpha 2 now 19 mins remaining :)
[05:34] <DarkMageZ> i'm not having any critical issues (that are regressions vs gutsy)
[05:37] <jack_> i have gutsy and feisty in a dual boot laptop setup
[05:37] <jack_> just playing around, trying to figure things out
[05:38] <jack_> the x in gutsy didnt want to play well....so I tried ultimate 1.
[05:38] <Ash_Heron> i have gutsy, slackware and xp for games :)
[05:38] <jack_> ultimate 1.5
[05:38] <jack_> sry
[05:38] <jack_> not having much luck with it either, but i do like the preinstalled apps
[05:39] <jack_> which one do you like best ash?
[05:39] <Ash_Heron> gutsy
[05:40] <Ash_Heron> but slackware for speed
[05:40] <Ash_Heron> you?
[05:40] <jack_> im real new to all of it
[05:40] <Ash_Heron> :)
[05:40] <Ash_Heron> have fun :P
[05:40] <jack_> not really informed enough to make an opinion worth a damn
[05:40] <jack_> :)
[05:40] <Ash_Heron> LOL
[05:40] <Ash_Heron> oops caps :)
[05:40] <jack_> i just get sick of orpahned dialog boxes
[05:41] <Ash_Heron> hehe
[05:41] <jack_> gui opps all the time
[05:41] <Ash_Heron> nasty
[05:41] <jack_> and this is with gnome and a centrino laptop
[05:41] <jack_> kinda standard hardware
[05:41] <Ash_Heron> yeah strange same after multiple reinstalls?
[05:41] <Ash_Heron> reformats*
[05:42] <jack_> naw, they are all installed on different partitions
[05:42] <jack_> I got Xp on here too, btw
[05:42] <Ash_Heron> :)
[05:42] <jack_> i think ubuntu with wine can solve all of my computer needs
[05:42] <Ash_Heron> i like xp tweaked to the max with just firewall its not bad but effort to maintain
[05:42] <Ash_Heron> :)
[05:43] <jack_> is there a live cd for the beta build?
[05:43] <jack_> i might try that out too
[05:43] <jack_> os shopping is fun
[05:43] <jack_> :)
[05:43] <Ash_Heron> looks like im gunna boot into hardy heron any minute yeah its a alpha build tho
[05:44] <jack_> alpha, my bad
[05:44] <Ash_Heron> :)
[05:44] <jack_> aplah, so MS final release
[05:44] <Ash_Heron> lol
[05:44] <jack_> been testing their crap for years
[05:45] <Ash_Heron> service pack 4 lol
[05:45] <jack_> lol
[05:45] <Ash_Heron> :P
[05:45] <jack_> "this time we promise its almost right"
[05:45] <Ash_Heron> hehe
[05:45] <jack_> then days later...oops
[05:45] <jack_> we left open ports
[05:45] <jack_> or gave keys to nsa
[05:45] <jack_> our bad
[05:45] <Ash_Heron> lol
[05:45] <jack_> we will fix in sp 5
[05:46] <jack_> i just got sick of all the viruses and bullshit
[05:46] <jack_> too much to handle
[05:46] <IdleOne> jack_: I feel your pain but please watch language :)
[05:46] <jack_> and foss is the honest way to go
[05:46] <jack_> eggshells, indeed
[05:46] <jack_> tiptoe
[05:47] <Ash_Heron> yeah viruses are annoying plus i have antivirus software and its resource hog
[05:47] <Ash_Heron> hate*
[05:47] <jack_> you know I did an win 98 install about a year ago, on a p4 box,...was smoking fast
[05:47] <jack_> couldnt believe it
[05:48] <Ash_Heron> yeah i bet i was going to try that on my p4 have disk somewhere and me lol
[05:48] <Ash_Heron> might have to do it for games better than xp
[05:48] <Ash_Heron> ahh brb sys restart
[05:48] <jack_> for christmas, i installed edubuntu on a p4 for a 4 year old blonde girl
[05:48] <jack_> my niece
[05:49] <jack_> grabbed all the games for it
[05:50] <jack_> i just did a default and set up automatic dhcp on the network
[05:50] <jack_> installed flash for firefox and the basic stuff
[05:50] <jack_> i dont know if its going to hit a network, but its something she can use
[05:50] <jack_> that doesnt have hanna montana on it...:)
[05:57] <compwiz18> hey anyone have fluid rev 7?
[05:59] <PepperPad4> How do I get Hardy to boot into a non-graphical (working) CLI ?
[06:00] <PepperPad4> I am experiencing Hardy video breakage.
[06:00] <cps1966> !wifi
[06:00] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:01] <DarkMageZ> PepperPad4, in grub there should be a second option for the 2.6.24 kernel. fallback or something
[06:01] <PepperPad4> Yes, thanks. I already tried that. It boots into a flickering screen.
[06:02] <PepperPad4> Is there a more failsafe failsafe ?
[06:02] <DarkMageZ> there's a recovery mode on the alternative cd which will allow you to attempt to fix the system
[06:03] <DarkMageZ> tho that failsafe shouldn't have failed if it was xorg breakage
[06:03] <PepperPad4> Oh, thanks! I'll try that. The funny thing is that the Xubuntu bootup splash (with the progress indicator) works fine.
[06:09] <PepperPad4> I am trying the rescue mode on the alternative install cd
[06:15] <PepperPad4> I'm using the Rescue mode now .... Got a bterm shell  open. Now how do I fix the X server configuration ?
[06:15] <cps1966> do i need madwifi to set up atheros ar5006eg
[06:15] <PepperPad4> dpkg-reconfigure and xorgcfg don't work.
[06:17] <cps1966> maybe its not installed completely
[06:17] <cps1966> kde did same thing
[06:18] <cps1966> does it let you login
[06:18] <kristjan_> dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver - not xorgcfg
[06:18] <PepperPad4> yes, that is what I tried. dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver ... bterm does not allow it.
[06:19] <kristjan_> "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ... actually
[06:19] <PepperPad4> oh yeah, thanks.. tried that too.. no dice.
[06:20] <PepperPad4> says "Unknown TErminal Bterm"
[06:20] <PepperPad4> Check the TERM envirnoment variable
[06:20] <cps1966> what happens when it boots on it own
[06:21] <PepperPad4> When it boots on its own, the screen goes into a flickering mode.
[06:21] <PepperPad4> Is there another way to fix the graphics config ?
[06:21] <cps1966> can you get terminal by hitting ctrl alt f1
[06:22] <PepperPad4> When I hit ctrl alt F1 (during bootup) I get another useless flickering screen.
[06:23] <cps1966> then set wasn't successful
[06:24] <cps1966> use the daily build
[06:25] <PepperPad4> I am using HH alpha 2.
[06:26] <PepperPad4> I was hoping that HH a2 could drive my Geode LX display hardware (that mainstreamed into kernel 2.6.24)
[06:26] <cps1966> yeah i know thats why i said to get daily build
[06:26] <PepperPad4> How do I get a daily build ?
[06:26] <cps1966> you want xubuntu
[06:26] <PepperPad4> yeah
[06:28] <cps1966> is that like goubuntu
[06:28] <PepperPad4> I don't know if they are similar.
[06:30] <PepperPad4> How do I get a daily build ?
[06:31] <PepperPad4> Thanks, I found it.
[06:31] <cps1966> well not for xubuntu
[06:31] <PepperPad4> It's OK, regular Ubuntu is fine for now.
[06:34] <cps1966> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[06:34] <PepperPad4> Thank you!
[06:34] <PepperPad4> Does it have a changelog ?
[06:34] <PepperPad4> Should I log a bug ?
[06:34] <cps1966> it has a few things missing but you can get it installed enough to do final install with apt
[06:36] <PepperPad4> Oh, to get apt working, I will need to get the nic working first.
[06:36] <cps1966> what one
[06:37] <PepperPad4> checking the maker
[06:38] <cps1966> i have kubuntu installed on eee pc
[06:38] <PepperPad4> Oh! You are using the eee ?
[06:38] <PepperPad4> Really cool!
[06:38] <PepperPad4> I am using the PepperPad 3
[06:38] <cps1966> except for wireless is not working
[06:39] <PepperPad4> Oh... is it a problem in the driver or the config ?
[06:39] <cps1966> not sure
[06:39] <cps1966> module is loaded nut it cant find debice
[06:40] <cps1966> good thing it has lan also
[06:40] <PepperPad4> Oh, that's good... Glad you got it working.
[06:40] <PepperPad4> My Pepper Pad uses an Atheros chip for Wifi
[06:41] <cps1966> but i need wireless
[06:41] <PepperPad4> Yeah, wireless is a must!
[06:41] <cps1966> yeah so deos this
[06:41] <cps1966> atheros ar5006eg  that one
[06:42] <PepperPad4> I wonder if it's the same as mine
[06:42] <cps1966> lspci and see if yours is same thing
[06:43] <PepperPad4> THanks... lspci says  Atheros AR2413 802.11bg
[06:44] <cps1966> a bit differnent then
[06:44] <PepperPad4> How can I configure it to work ?
[06:45] <cps1966> does it give you networking option at setup
[06:45] <PepperPad4> yeah, but it didn't find my WiFi AP
[06:45] <cps1966> is it on in bios
[06:46] <PepperPad4> Yes. And it worked fine in Feisty Fawn.
[06:46] <cps1966> what about gutsy
[06:47] <PepperPad4> I never got Gutsy to boot graphically, so I couldn't even test it.
[06:47] <cps1966> even final release
[06:47] <PepperPad4> Yes, even the final release. Xorg problems.
[06:48] <cps1966> can you tell it to use vesa at boot setup
[06:50] <PepperPad4> Oh, where is that setting ?
[06:50] <cps1966> well you hit    one of those to get options
[06:51] <PepperPad4> when booting the regular liveCD, right ?
[06:51] <cps1966> f1 f2 or f3
[06:51] <cps1966> use the alternet
[06:53] <PepperPad4> let me boot that one up
[06:54] <PepperPad4> before the install, or after ?
[06:54] <cps1966> before
[06:55] <PepperPad4> There's an option to set the mode
[06:55] <PepperPad4> To set the resolution
[06:55] <PepperPad4> I don't know.. is there a cheat code for vesa ?
[06:55] <cps1966> yes
[06:56] <PepperPad4> Will the resolution (I choose) stick after installation ?
[06:56] <cps1966> should
[06:57] <PepperPad4> So would I be better off trying this with Gutsy or with HH daily build ?
[06:58] <cps1966> heh shouldn't matter
[06:58] <PepperPad4> Ok, I will try HH..
[06:59] <PepperPad4> Maybe I should just install a command-line system and start from there ?
[06:59] <PepperPad4> Then at least I know the graphics won't fail.
[07:00] <PepperPad4> What do you think ?
[07:02] <cps1966> could
[07:02] <cps1966> its not easy though
[07:05] <PepperPad4> HH a2 didn't detect my Atheros AR2413 802.11bg device... That device worked fine in Feisty Fawn.
[07:05] <PepperPad4> Funny.
[07:06] <cps1966> i think eee pc is a better deal
[07:07] <PepperPad4> I agree, the eee is better.
[07:07] <cps1966> lots cheaper too
[07:07] <PepperPad4> I would buy an eee tablet device.
[07:08] <PepperPad4> I like the touch screen feature.
[07:08] <PepperPad4> For drawing.
[07:08] <PepperPad4> I hope ASUS can figure out some way to integrate a touch screen (that is not cursed by fragility)
[07:09] <PepperPad4> eee is superior in almost every other respect.
[07:09] <cps1966> i just cant stand for xandros not having the apps i use daily
[07:10] <PepperPad4> Is that why you moved to Ubuntu ?
[07:10] <cps1966> i had mandriva cooker on it earlier today seemed to work ok
[07:11] <PepperPad4> I sure hope you get further than I have with this Pepper Pad.
[07:11] <cps1966> just testing what it will do
[07:12] <PepperPad4> Are you leaning towards Mandriva or Ubuntu ?
[07:12] <cps1966> should try fedora on it next
[07:13] <PepperPad4> Great idea.
[07:13] <cps1966> going to try stable release though but not sure it will have drivers
[07:14] <PepperPad4> Linux drivers have got to be the biggest nightmare.
[07:14] <cps1966> mandriva 2008 dont because kernel is to old
[07:14] <ubotu> Mandriva bug 2008 in Core Packages "reloading the user config or system menu closes the menudrake window" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2008
[07:17] <cps1966> not as bad as xp
[07:17] <cps1966> had that on it half the stuff didn't work
[07:22] <PepperPad4> cps1966:  did you try eeeXubuntu ?
[07:23] <cps1966> no
[07:23] <PepperPad4> http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:home
[07:24] <PepperPad4> It's got wireless working.
[07:28] <cps1966> sure wish they would leave off OOo
[07:29] <PepperPad4> haha, yeah ... that would make the ISO smaller, huh?
[07:30] <cps1966> yup dont use it so why install it
[07:30] <cps1966> 200 MB or more
[07:31] <PepperPad4> I think it's possible to make such a derivative... There's a package called Ubuntu construction kit... I think
[07:32] <PepperPad4> Sorry.... it's Ubuntu Customization Kit
[07:33] <PepperPad4> In theory, that would let people make their own Ubuntu customizations.
[07:33] <PepperPad4> I am going to play around with that if I ever get Ubuntu working on my Pepper Pad 3.
[07:34] <cps1966> dsl has that
[07:34] <cps1966> but kernel is to old to find flash drive
[07:35] <PepperPad4> Oh yeah... I love DSL... but its old Kernel!
[07:35] <cps1966> 2 4 35
[07:36] <PepperPad4> Yeah... I am not sure why DSL keeps that old kernel
[07:36] <cps1966> size
[07:36] <cps1966> 2 6 kernels are very big
[07:37] <PepperPad4> What a pity...
[07:37] <PepperPad4> DSL takes up ~16 MB of RAM... How much larger would it be with a 2.6 kernel, I wonder ?
[07:37] <cps1966> 64 or more
[07:38] <PepperPad4> Wow! Really ? I knew Linux was monolithic, but 64MB just screams "BLOAT"
[07:39] <cps1966> well you thing vista is better
[07:40] <PepperPad4> Haha... you are right about that.
[07:40] <cps1966> takes 16 GB for vista and office 2007
[07:41] <PepperPad4> Oh that's just sad.
[07:42] <cps1966> yeah tell me about it
[07:42] <cps1966> take 5 minutes to boot
[07:42] <cps1966> on a 1.5 ghz lappy
[07:44] <PepperPad4> Seagate and Samsung will have to thank Microsoft for selling bigger hard drives, more memory chips.
[07:45] <PepperPad4> Those of us who remember the days of structured programming are especially aware of just how bloated programs have become.
[07:46] <cps1966> all the option suck
[07:47] <PepperPad4> I guess RAM is just too cheap.
[07:50] <cps1966> i dunno why someone would pay for vista problems
[07:51] <PepperPad4> Most people want Microsoft to do everything for them.
[07:52] <cps1966> yeah till it screws up
[07:54] <PepperPad4> Yeah, then they'll question if M$ really was a good choice.
[07:55] <cps1966> i wouldn't trust it with my files anymore have used it since 99
[07:55] <cps1966> have not
[07:56] <PepperPad4> Monopolies can't be trusted... ultimately they will screw up.
[07:57] <cps1966> well they dug their own grave
[07:57] <PepperPad4> We'll see how elastic the demand is for Windows.. .and its office apps.
[07:58] <PepperPad4> M$ is relying on the elasticity of demand.
[07:58] <PepperPad4> Basically, users have to buy a new computer to run Vista.
[07:59] <cps1966> its a shame that lots of then you cant buy without os
[08:00] <PepperPad4> Gates is right. The computer is an extension of the nervous system. People need that nervous system to work as they anticipate, and it's very painful for them to switch.
[08:01] <cps1966> yeah but it reduces stress when you do
[08:01] <cps1966> thats the big killer
[08:02] <PepperPad4> I agree, I would rather understand how my computer works so I can fix it.
[08:02] <PepperPad4> It's similar to cars, I guess.
[08:02] <cps1966> i used to work on them at work but i retired in 2003
[08:03] <PepperPad4> Congratulations, and have a great retirement.
[08:04] <cps1966> i retired early 55 and xp didn't mix
[08:04] <PepperPad4> Great, now you can pursue something new.
[08:04] <cps1966> na just work at home now
[08:05] <PepperPad4> What kind of work are you doing at home?
[08:05] <cps1966> fixing computers
[08:05] <cps1966> installing xp instead of vista
[08:06] <cps1966> hard to get drivers for some of them though
[08:08] <PepperPad4> Installed Hardy Heron as a command-line system... display still doesn't work... can't believe it.
[08:09] <cps1966> is module loaded for video
[08:09] <cps1966> lsmod
[08:09] <PepperPad4> I can't do an lsmod... the screen is flickering.
[08:10] <PepperPad4> I'm going to try to log in and do a dpkg-reconfigure
[08:10] <cps1966> oh crap
[08:11] <PepperPad4> I'm at my wit's end with this.
[08:11] <PepperPad4> Something changed in the way Ubuntu handles video in Gutsy/Hardy.
[08:12] <cps1966> xorg 7.2
[08:12] <PepperPad4> Yeah, Xorg 7.2 ... but it should at least have a failsafe.
[08:12] <PepperPad4> I can't even get a failsafe mode.
[08:13] <PepperPad4> Anyways, good luck to you.
[08:13] <cps1966> yeah you too
[08:14] <PepperPad4> Have fun with that eee!
[08:14] <cps1966> hehe well if worse comes to worse i can put xandors back
[08:15] <PepperPad4> I an optimistic more eee-centric distributions will crop up.
[08:16] <cps1966> just ran out of disk space need to m,ove some stuff
[08:16] <PepperPad4> oh, bummer
[08:17] <cps1966> yeah used up 110 GB home dir
[08:17] <cps1966> lots of movies
[08:18] <PepperPad4> Haha... I got to go
[08:18] <PepperPad4> Have fun with that eee
[08:19] <PepperPad4> Bye
[08:19] <cps1966> i have 1.9 TB of space so it wont be to hard to find a hole to put some in
[08:54] <pwnguin> hey, is it just me or are yahoo! games not working?
[09:02] <pvandewyngaerde> it is just you not working
[09:02] <pvandewyngaerde> (if you are playing)
[09:23] <pwnguin> that was a terrible pun
[09:33] <optx> Hi ! Hardy doesnt find my nvidia do i have to install them by myself ?
[09:38] <pvandewyngaerde> restricted manager
[09:49] <optx> hi pvandewyngaerde sorry that was my first idea but i dont find it
[09:49] <optx> it is under SYSTEM right ?
[10:10] <pvandewyngaerde> or just start   restricted-manager
[10:10] <pvandewyngaerde> im on kubuntu its called restricted-manager-kde here
[10:50] <ubu> hi !
[10:51] <ubu> im from germnay and i have to change everytime i lock in the language to german. how can i save that ?
[10:51] <Tomcat_> ubu: Sounds like a bug.
[10:52] <ubu> should i install some language packs from synaptic ?
[10:53] <ubu> lol sysnaptic says de is installed ..
[10:53] <pvandewyngaerde> language pack de
[10:54] <ubu> language pack de and language pack de base is installed in synaptic.. maby reinstall ?
[10:54] <cps1966> or reconfigure -a
[10:56] <ubu> whats weird too, when i open the 'Language and location' i see nothing at all
[10:57] <cps1966> have you updated sources
[10:59] <cps1966> somethings are missing in alpha 2
[11:05] <cps1966> stupid OOo has to be installed on everything
[11:05] <cps1966> waste of good space
[11:06] <cps1966> watse of time also
[11:10] <Skiessi> http://www.geocities.com/stssppnn/pcsp.html  I want to try this. How do I do it?
[11:14] <cps1966> get a sound card and speakers it simpler
[16:19] <Artimus> Could someone check their Hardy installation and see if /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/kde-essential.menu exists or is even a symlink?
[16:21] <Pici> Artimus: I dont see it here.  I dont have kde4 installed though, if that makes any difference.
[16:22] <Artimus> No, this is KDE3
[16:22] <Artimus> Fun little bug with a fresh Hardy Alpha 2
[16:22] <Artimus> Kcontrol is empty, all of the little applets are thrown in Lost+Found
[16:23] <Artimus> In the past, it was caused by a missing kde-essential.menu.  I don't even have that in a stock Hardy install.
[16:23] <Pici> Thats not good. Could be a harddrive issue.
[16:23] <Artimus> I kind of doubt it
[16:23] <Artimus> This is vmware, fresh install :P
[16:23] <Artimus> I'm using an OS in development and youi blame my harddrive...
[16:24] <Pici> lost+found is for filesystem issues...
[16:24] <Artimus> No...
[16:24] <Artimus> As in Lost and Found on the KDE menu
[16:24] <Artimus> KDE has apps and doesn't know where to put them in the menu's
[16:24] <Pici> Oh... I thought you meant /lost+found
[16:24] <Artimus> no...
[16:25] <Pici> I dont use KDE, but I like some of the programs it comes it.
[16:27] <Artimus> I'll upload a screenshot, it's kind of funny...
[16:28] <Artimus> http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6883/lostandfoundou3.png
[16:28] <Artimus> "oops"
[16:29] <Pici> oops
[16:30] <Artimus> yeah
[16:30] <Pici> Any bugs filed about it?
[16:30] <Artimus> There's four, but these were back in the Feisty era...
[16:31] <Pici> Hrm.
[16:31] <Artimus> Should I just file a new one and then reference the other ones?
[16:32] <Artimus> Since none of these are marked as being in Hardy, and most were fixed in the old releases...
[16:40] <Artimus> Bug report filed, they can always mark it as a duplicate...
[18:04] <crimsun> 2.6.24-rc6-git2 fixes the b43 mungage, yay.
[18:41] <tilgovi> anyone have kde4 on hardy?
[18:42] <TimS> Will 7.04 will be KDE4 and not LTS?
[18:42] <TimS> 8.04*
[18:43] <Laser87> probably
[18:43] <Pici> Thats the plan right now.
[18:43] <TimS> Hmm
[18:43] <Pici> Yeah, its kind of weird.
[18:44] <TimS> It would be nice if they offered Kubuntu LTS and K4ubuntu
[18:44] <TimS> I started with the last LTS release, and that was the most stable (for me) release
[18:44] <Laser87> I don't think that anybody in this channel needs LTS ^^
[18:45] <TimS> True true :P
[18:45] <TimS> But its not for us :P
[18:46] <tilgovi> Can anyone help me get kde4 running?  I'm getting dependency conflicts with libgif and libungif
[18:46] <Laser87> That's it - LTS has to be stable
[18:46] <TimS> I relise that, and KDE4 wont be
[18:46] <TimS> But its been a while since the last LTS
[18:47] <Pici> Almost 2 years
[18:47] <TimS> How long are they supported for 18 months?
[18:47] <Laser87> I guess, Canonical wants KDE 4 and it would be to much work for 3.5, 4 and perhaps 4.5
[18:48] <Laser87> TimS: 3 years
[18:48] <TimS> Oh cool
[18:48] <Laser87> server 5 years
[18:48] <Pici> !lts
[18:48] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[18:49] <tilgovi> !kde4
[18:49] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[21:04] <iamalsotim> How can I disable EDID detection in X?
[21:49] <pwnguin> hmm. i dont recall setting a blue theme
[22:46] <Cyclonut> Hows the Hardy hangin?
[22:48] <Dr_willis> Lural and Hardy!
[22:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[22:48] <Dr_willis> No Idea really. Im not brave enough to beta test it.
[22:52] <crdlb> s/beta/alpha/ :)
[22:55] <Dr_willis> gamma, delta, omega,
[22:56] <Dr_willis> You dont really hear people say 'im an alpha tester'
[22:56] <Dr_willis>  Is that like an Alpha-Male? or Alpha-Geek?
[22:56] <tumbleweed__> o snap
[22:57] <crdlb> because there's no such thing really :)
[22:57] <crdlb> an alpha is too unfinished for traditional "testing"
[22:57] <tumbleweed__> not rly
[22:57] <Dr_willis> I want to be a Zeta-tester
[22:57] <Dr_willis> :P
[22:57] <tumbleweed__> I want to be a your mom tester
[22:58]  * Dr_willis wants to be an Airborn ranger...
[22:58] <Dr_willis> But i always die in the Paratrooper testng in AMericas Armies.
[22:58] <Dr_willis> :)
[22:58] <tumbleweed__> o