| DanaG | WTF? | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| DanaG | Amarok's audio just randomly moved to the wrong audio device. | 00:04 |
| === Delvien_ is now known as Delvien | ||
| === awen- is now known as awen_ | ||
| IdleOne | welcome | 04:18 |
| n00bie | thanks a lot | 04:18 |
| IdleOne | now listen | 04:18 |
| n00bie | "DO NOT RUN HARDY" | 04:18 |
| n00bie | well is this worst than sid? | 04:18 |
| IdleOne | leap frogging from dapper to hardy will not work | 04:18 |
| IdleOne | it will break everything | 04:19 |
| IdleOne | that is why I suggested doing a fresh install | 04:19 |
| n00bie | what is newer than drapper and earlier than hardy and at least kinda works? | 04:19 |
| IdleOne | dapper>edgy>feisty>gutsy>hardy | 04:19 |
| IdleOne | in that order | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | IdleOne: well, not break everything. but very rocky | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | n00bie: gutsy is good. | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | n00bie: they all work | 04:20 |
| IdleOne | but will take you hours to upgrade to each version so might as well do a fresh install if you want to run alpha | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | you don't want hardy, if you're new | 04:20 |
| IdleOne | Hobbsee: he has been in sid for 5 years now :) | 04:20 |
| IdleOne | so he wants to jump from dapper to hardy | 04:21 |
| n00bie | so just change from dapper to gutsy in a single step, right? or is there an upgrade procedure_ | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | ahh | 04:21 |
| * Hobbsee sighs at people who don't read, nor seem to understand upgrade proceedures | 04:21 | |
| IdleOne | n00bie: the procedure is one version at a time dont skip version | 04:21 |
| n00bie | not really, i just want something stable but nobody recommended anything, and the only word i hear now is "hardy" and now "not hardy" | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | n00bie: it's probably the equivalent of potato to sid. | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | n00bie: you heard from teh wrong people. hardy is not stable | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | gutsy is stable. | 04:22 |
| n00bie | great. | 04:22 |
| Amaranth | IdleOne: dapper to hardy will be supported | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | Amaranth: not yet, though | 04:22 |
| n00bie | thanks, i'll follow the upgrade procedure one version at a time | 04:22 |
| IdleOne | Amaranth: but isnt yet | 04:22 |
| Amaranth | people have already started testing it and fixing problems | 04:22 |
| IdleOne | n00bie: good idea :) | 04:22 |
| Amaranth | it sort of works :P | 04:22 |
| Amaranth | n00bie: upgrade one version at a time from dapper to gutsy or hardy will take days | 04:23 |
| Amaranth | faster to make a backup and do a clean install | 04:23 |
| IdleOne | that is what I been saying | 04:23 |
| IdleOne | lol | 04:23 |
| IdleOne | why wont people just listen | 04:23 |
| * IdleOne is trying to save n00bie from making a mistake and then being put off from Ubuntu. step 1: read topic. Step 2: !backup Step 3: fresh install | 04:25 | |
| n00bie | well i have no meaningfull data, if this doesn't work i'll do the fresh install | 04:26 |
| IdleOne | your call! | 04:26 |
| n00bie | and something else, i'm seeing a kernel image update, i hope it's 2.6.22 | 04:26 |
| IdleOne | 2.6.24 is hardy is using IIRC | 04:27 |
| n00bie | nice | 04:27 |
| n00bie | but i guess gutsy would be at least 2.6.22 or 23? | 04:27 |
| IdleOne | I need Ibuprofen got a " Spent way to much money Xmas shopping" headache | 04:28 |
| Amaranth | gutsy is 2.6.22 | 04:28 |
| IdleOne | odd # are testing right? | 04:29 |
| kristjan_ | ehy, | 04:29 |
| IdleOne | hey | 04:29 |
| kristjan_ | I love to hit "Enter" accidentally | 04:30 |
| kristjan_ | is it possible to download kubuntu 8.04 with kde4? | 04:30 |
| IdleOne | kristjan_: dont think so but try asking in #kubuntu | 04:31 |
| IdleOne | you can build kde4 yourself I believe | 04:31 |
| kristjan_ | IdleOne: isn't this channel also for kubuntu next release? | 04:31 |
| kristjan_ | IdleOne: kubuntu 8.04 is supposed to come on two different cd's right? | 04:32 |
| IdleOne | kristjan_: I have no idea | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | Amaranth: they've updated that | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | kristjan_: not currently | 04:41 |
| kristjan_ | Hobbsee: do you know then? beta1? :-) | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | kristjan_: sometime after kde4 is released. | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | kristjan_: it'll be announced on kubuntu.org | 04:42 |
| * Hobbsee is not aware of when it will happen - still needs some bugs solved first | 04:42 | |
| Hobbsee | IdleOne: see http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/ | 04:42 |
| IdleOne | sure thing | 04:43 |
| * Hobbsee ponders writing an email sometimes on what it all means in laymans terms | 04:44 | |
| * Hobbsee sees the kubuntu-devel mialing list is bikeshedding, again | 04:44 | |
| IdleOne | seems like canonical is slowly cutting back support to versions other the Ubuntu | 04:48 |
| IdleOne | s/the/then | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | it never supported xubuntu anywa | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | y | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | and adding more versions, you'll note | 04:49 |
| IdleOne | I dont use kde but I would think it would make more sense to focus on one CD. KDE4 CD | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | there are reasons nto to do that | 04:50 |
| IdleOne | having the devs working on kde3 and kde4 spreads them thin | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | who says they'd do much to kde3? | 04:50 |
| kristjan_ | IdleOne: how many kubuntu devs are there anyways? | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | not enough | 04:50 |
| IdleOne | probably more then Ubuntu devs | 04:50 |
| kristjan_ | one, two? | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | IdleOne: uh, no | 04:51 |
| kristjan_ | (devs who get paid by canonical) | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | one who gets paid by canonical, and the artwork guy, who does it for kubuntu/ubuntu | 04:51 |
| IdleOne | like I said I dont use kde so I cant wax on the subject | 04:51 |
| kristjan_ | Hobbsee: I could never have guessed that the same person is behind both default looks | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | well, kubuntu is a vote | 04:55 |
| dmb | is firefox 3 beta or final going to be included in hardy? | 04:57 |
| Amaranth | kristjan_: actually he isn't | 04:58 |
| Amaranth | kristjan_: He did the Kubuntu stuff then got hired by Canonical to do artwork, afaik | 04:58 |
| Amaranth | We haven't had an Ubuntu release with him doing artwork yet | 04:59 |
| jack_ | hello | 05:33 |
| jack_ | im interested in the new beta | 05:33 |
| jack_ | anyone trying it out? | 05:33 |
| DarkMageZ | hardy hit beta? | 05:34 |
| Ash_Heron | updating to alpha 2 now 19 mins remaining :) | 05:34 |
| DarkMageZ | i'm not having any critical issues (that are regressions vs gutsy) | 05:34 |
| jack_ | i have gutsy and feisty in a dual boot laptop setup | 05:37 |
| jack_ | just playing around, trying to figure things out | 05:37 |
| jack_ | the x in gutsy didnt want to play well....so I tried ultimate 1. | 05:38 |
| Ash_Heron | i have gutsy, slackware and xp for games :) | 05:38 |
| jack_ | ultimate 1.5 | 05:38 |
| jack_ | sry | 05:38 |
| jack_ | not having much luck with it either, but i do like the preinstalled apps | 05:38 |
| jack_ | which one do you like best ash? | 05:39 |
| Ash_Heron | gutsy | 05:39 |
| Ash_Heron | but slackware for speed | 05:40 |
| Ash_Heron | you? | 05:40 |
| jack_ | im real new to all of it | 05:40 |
| Ash_Heron | :) | 05:40 |
| Ash_Heron | have fun :P | 05:40 |
| jack_ | not really informed enough to make an opinion worth a damn | 05:40 |
| jack_ | :) | 05:40 |
| Ash_Heron | LOL | 05:40 |
| Ash_Heron | oops caps :) | 05:40 |
| jack_ | i just get sick of orpahned dialog boxes | 05:40 |
| Ash_Heron | hehe | 05:41 |
| jack_ | gui opps all the time | 05:41 |
| Ash_Heron | nasty | 05:41 |
| jack_ | and this is with gnome and a centrino laptop | 05:41 |
| jack_ | kinda standard hardware | 05:41 |
| Ash_Heron | yeah strange same after multiple reinstalls? | 05:41 |
| Ash_Heron | reformats* | 05:41 |
| jack_ | naw, they are all installed on different partitions | 05:42 |
| jack_ | I got Xp on here too, btw | 05:42 |
| Ash_Heron | :) | 05:42 |
| jack_ | i think ubuntu with wine can solve all of my computer needs | 05:42 |
| Ash_Heron | i like xp tweaked to the max with just firewall its not bad but effort to maintain | 05:42 |
| Ash_Heron | :) | 05:42 |
| jack_ | is there a live cd for the beta build? | 05:43 |
| jack_ | i might try that out too | 05:43 |
| jack_ | os shopping is fun | 05:43 |
| jack_ | :) | 05:43 |
| Ash_Heron | looks like im gunna boot into hardy heron any minute yeah its a alpha build tho | 05:43 |
| jack_ | alpha, my bad | 05:44 |
| Ash_Heron | :) | 05:44 |
| jack_ | aplah, so MS final release | 05:44 |
| Ash_Heron | lol | 05:44 |
| jack_ | been testing their crap for years | 05:44 |
| Ash_Heron | service pack 4 lol | 05:45 |
| jack_ | lol | 05:45 |
| Ash_Heron | :P | 05:45 |
| jack_ | "this time we promise its almost right" | 05:45 |
| Ash_Heron | hehe | 05:45 |
| jack_ | then days later...oops | 05:45 |
| jack_ | we left open ports | 05:45 |
| jack_ | or gave keys to nsa | 05:45 |
| jack_ | our bad | 05:45 |
| Ash_Heron | lol | 05:45 |
| jack_ | we will fix in sp 5 | 05:45 |
| jack_ | i just got sick of all the viruses and bullshit | 05:46 |
| jack_ | too much to handle | 05:46 |
| IdleOne | jack_: I feel your pain but please watch language :) | 05:46 |
| jack_ | and foss is the honest way to go | 05:46 |
| jack_ | eggshells, indeed | 05:46 |
| jack_ | tiptoe | 05:46 |
| Ash_Heron | yeah viruses are annoying plus i have antivirus software and its resource hog | 05:47 |
| Ash_Heron | hate* | 05:47 |
| jack_ | you know I did an win 98 install about a year ago, on a p4 box,...was smoking fast | 05:47 |
| jack_ | couldnt believe it | 05:47 |
| Ash_Heron | yeah i bet i was going to try that on my p4 have disk somewhere and me lol | 05:48 |
| === BHSPitMonkey is now known as Tatl | ||
| Ash_Heron | might have to do it for games better than xp | 05:48 |
| Ash_Heron | ahh brb sys restart | 05:48 |
| jack_ | for christmas, i installed edubuntu on a p4 for a 4 year old blonde girl | 05:48 |
| jack_ | my niece | 05:48 |
| jack_ | grabbed all the games for it | 05:49 |
| === Tatl is now known as BHSPitMonkey | ||
| jack_ | i just did a default and set up automatic dhcp on the network | 05:50 |
| jack_ | installed flash for firefox and the basic stuff | 05:50 |
| jack_ | i dont know if its going to hit a network, but its something she can use | 05:50 |
| jack_ | that doesnt have hanna montana on it...:) | 05:50 |
| compwiz18 | hey anyone have fluid rev 7? | 05:57 |
| PepperPad4 | How do I get Hardy to boot into a non-graphical (working) CLI ? | 05:59 |
| PepperPad4 | I am experiencing Hardy video breakage. | 06:00 |
| cps1966 | !wifi | 06:00 |
| ubotu | Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs | 06:00 |
| DarkMageZ | PepperPad4, in grub there should be a second option for the 2.6.24 kernel. fallback or something | 06:01 |
| PepperPad4 | Yes, thanks. I already tried that. It boots into a flickering screen. | 06:01 |
| PepperPad4 | Is there a more failsafe failsafe ? | 06:02 |
| DarkMageZ | there's a recovery mode on the alternative cd which will allow you to attempt to fix the system | 06:02 |
| DarkMageZ | tho that failsafe shouldn't have failed if it was xorg breakage | 06:03 |
| PepperPad4 | Oh, thanks! I'll try that. The funny thing is that the Xubuntu bootup splash (with the progress indicator) works fine. | 06:03 |
| PepperPad4 | I am trying the rescue mode on the alternative install cd | 06:09 |
| PepperPad4 | I'm using the Rescue mode now .... Got a bterm shell open. Now how do I fix the X server configuration ? | 06:15 |
| cps1966 | do i need madwifi to set up atheros ar5006eg | 06:15 |
| PepperPad4 | dpkg-reconfigure and xorgcfg don't work. | 06:15 |
| cps1966 | maybe its not installed completely | 06:17 |
| cps1966 | kde did same thing | 06:17 |
| cps1966 | does it let you login | 06:18 |
| kristjan_ | dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver - not xorgcfg | 06:18 |
| PepperPad4 | yes, that is what I tried. dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver ... bterm does not allow it. | 06:18 |
| kristjan_ | "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ... actually | 06:19 |
| PepperPad4 | oh yeah, thanks.. tried that too.. no dice. | 06:19 |
| PepperPad4 | says "Unknown TErminal Bterm" | 06:20 |
| PepperPad4 | Check the TERM envirnoment variable | 06:20 |
| cps1966 | what happens when it boots on it own | 06:20 |
| PepperPad4 | When it boots on its own, the screen goes into a flickering mode. | 06:21 |
| PepperPad4 | Is there another way to fix the graphics config ? | 06:21 |
| cps1966 | can you get terminal by hitting ctrl alt f1 | 06:21 |
| PepperPad4 | When I hit ctrl alt F1 (during bootup) I get another useless flickering screen. | 06:22 |
| cps1966 | then set wasn't successful | 06:23 |
| cps1966 | use the daily build | 06:24 |
| PepperPad4 | I am using HH alpha 2. | 06:25 |
| PepperPad4 | I was hoping that HH a2 could drive my Geode LX display hardware (that mainstreamed into kernel 2.6.24) | 06:26 |
| cps1966 | yeah i know thats why i said to get daily build | 06:26 |
| PepperPad4 | How do I get a daily build ? | 06:26 |
| cps1966 | you want xubuntu | 06:26 |
| PepperPad4 | yeah | 06:26 |
| cps1966 | is that like goubuntu | 06:28 |
| PepperPad4 | I don't know if they are similar. | 06:28 |
| PepperPad4 | How do I get a daily build ? | 06:30 |
| PepperPad4 | Thanks, I found it. | 06:31 |
| cps1966 | well not for xubuntu | 06:31 |
| PepperPad4 | It's OK, regular Ubuntu is fine for now. | 06:31 |
| cps1966 | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ | 06:34 |
| PepperPad4 | Thank you! | 06:34 |
| PepperPad4 | Does it have a changelog ? | 06:34 |
| PepperPad4 | Should I log a bug ? | 06:34 |
| cps1966 | it has a few things missing but you can get it installed enough to do final install with apt | 06:34 |
| PepperPad4 | Oh, to get apt working, I will need to get the nic working first. | 06:36 |
| cps1966 | what one | 06:36 |
| PepperPad4 | checking the maker | 06:37 |
| cps1966 | i have kubuntu installed on eee pc | 06:38 |
| PepperPad4 | Oh! You are using the eee ? | 06:38 |
| PepperPad4 | Really cool! | 06:38 |
| PepperPad4 | I am using the PepperPad 3 | 06:38 |
| cps1966 | except for wireless is not working | 06:38 |
| PepperPad4 | Oh... is it a problem in the driver or the config ? | 06:39 |
| cps1966 | not sure | 06:39 |
| cps1966 | module is loaded nut it cant find debice | 06:39 |
| cps1966 | good thing it has lan also | 06:40 |
| PepperPad4 | Oh, that's good... Glad you got it working. | 06:40 |
| PepperPad4 | My Pepper Pad uses an Atheros chip for Wifi | 06:40 |
| cps1966 | but i need wireless | 06:41 |
| PepperPad4 | Yeah, wireless is a must! | 06:41 |
| cps1966 | yeah so deos this | 06:41 |
| cps1966 | atheros ar5006eg that one | 06:41 |
| PepperPad4 | I wonder if it's the same as mine | 06:42 |
| cps1966 | lspci and see if yours is same thing | 06:42 |
| PepperPad4 | THanks... lspci says Atheros AR2413 802.11bg | 06:43 |
| cps1966 | a bit differnent then | 06:44 |
| PepperPad4 | How can I configure it to work ? | 06:44 |
| cps1966 | does it give you networking option at setup | 06:45 |
| PepperPad4 | yeah, but it didn't find my WiFi AP | 06:45 |
| cps1966 | is it on in bios | 06:45 |
| PepperPad4 | Yes. And it worked fine in Feisty Fawn. | 06:46 |
| cps1966 | what about gutsy | 06:46 |
| PepperPad4 | I never got Gutsy to boot graphically, so I couldn't even test it. | 06:47 |
| cps1966 | even final release | 06:47 |
| PepperPad4 | Yes, even the final release. Xorg problems. | 06:47 |
| cps1966 | can you tell it to use vesa at boot setup | 06:48 |
| PepperPad4 | Oh, where is that setting ? | 06:50 |
| cps1966 | well you hit one of those to get options | 06:50 |
| PepperPad4 | when booting the regular liveCD, right ? | 06:51 |
| cps1966 | f1 f2 or f3 | 06:51 |
| cps1966 | use the alternet | 06:51 |
| PepperPad4 | let me boot that one up | 06:53 |
| PepperPad4 | before the install, or after ? | 06:54 |
| cps1966 | before | 06:54 |
| PepperPad4 | There's an option to set the mode | 06:55 |
| PepperPad4 | To set the resolution | 06:55 |
| PepperPad4 | I don't know.. is there a cheat code for vesa ? | 06:55 |
| cps1966 | yes | 06:55 |
| PepperPad4 | Will the resolution (I choose) stick after installation ? | 06:56 |
| cps1966 | should | 06:56 |
| PepperPad4 | So would I be better off trying this with Gutsy or with HH daily build ? | 06:57 |
| cps1966 | heh shouldn't matter | 06:58 |
| PepperPad4 | Ok, I will try HH.. | 06:58 |
| PepperPad4 | Maybe I should just install a command-line system and start from there ? | 06:59 |
| PepperPad4 | Then at least I know the graphics won't fail. | 06:59 |
| PepperPad4 | What do you think ? | 07:00 |
| cps1966 | could | 07:02 |
| cps1966 | its not easy though | 07:02 |
| PepperPad4 | HH a2 didn't detect my Atheros AR2413 802.11bg device... That device worked fine in Feisty Fawn. | 07:05 |
| PepperPad4 | Funny. | 07:05 |
| cps1966 | i think eee pc is a better deal | 07:06 |
| PepperPad4 | I agree, the eee is better. | 07:07 |
| cps1966 | lots cheaper too | 07:07 |
| PepperPad4 | I would buy an eee tablet device. | 07:07 |
| PepperPad4 | I like the touch screen feature. | 07:08 |
| PepperPad4 | For drawing. | 07:08 |
| PepperPad4 | I hope ASUS can figure out some way to integrate a touch screen (that is not cursed by fragility) | 07:08 |
| PepperPad4 | eee is superior in almost every other respect. | 07:09 |
| cps1966 | i just cant stand for xandros not having the apps i use daily | 07:09 |
| PepperPad4 | Is that why you moved to Ubuntu ? | 07:10 |
| cps1966 | i had mandriva cooker on it earlier today seemed to work ok | 07:10 |
| PepperPad4 | I sure hope you get further than I have with this Pepper Pad. | 07:11 |
| cps1966 | just testing what it will do | 07:11 |
| PepperPad4 | Are you leaning towards Mandriva or Ubuntu ? | 07:12 |
| cps1966 | should try fedora on it next | 07:12 |
| PepperPad4 | Great idea. | 07:13 |
| cps1966 | going to try stable release though but not sure it will have drivers | 07:13 |
| PepperPad4 | Linux drivers have got to be the biggest nightmare. | 07:14 |
| cps1966 | mandriva 2008 dont because kernel is to old | 07:14 |
| ubotu | Mandriva bug 2008 in Core Packages "reloading the user config or system menu closes the menudrake window" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2008 | 07:14 |
| cps1966 | not as bad as xp | 07:17 |
| cps1966 | had that on it half the stuff didn't work | 07:17 |
| === ktogias_ is now known as ktogias | ||
| PepperPad4 | cps1966: did you try eeeXubuntu ? | 07:22 |
| cps1966 | no | 07:23 |
| PepperPad4 | http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:home | 07:23 |
| PepperPad4 | It's got wireless working. | 07:24 |
| cps1966 | sure wish they would leave off OOo | 07:28 |
| PepperPad4 | haha, yeah ... that would make the ISO smaller, huh? | 07:29 |
| cps1966 | yup dont use it so why install it | 07:30 |
| cps1966 | 200 MB or more | 07:30 |
| PepperPad4 | I think it's possible to make such a derivative... There's a package called Ubuntu construction kit... I think | 07:31 |
| PepperPad4 | Sorry.... it's Ubuntu Customization Kit | 07:32 |
| PepperPad4 | In theory, that would let people make their own Ubuntu customizations. | 07:33 |
| PepperPad4 | I am going to play around with that if I ever get Ubuntu working on my Pepper Pad 3. | 07:33 |
| cps1966 | dsl has that | 07:34 |
| cps1966 | but kernel is to old to find flash drive | 07:34 |
| PepperPad4 | Oh yeah... I love DSL... but its old Kernel! | 07:35 |
| cps1966 | 2 4 35 | 07:35 |
| PepperPad4 | Yeah... I am not sure why DSL keeps that old kernel | 07:36 |
| cps1966 | size | 07:36 |
| cps1966 | 2 6 kernels are very big | 07:36 |
| PepperPad4 | What a pity... | 07:37 |
| PepperPad4 | DSL takes up ~16 MB of RAM... How much larger would it be with a 2.6 kernel, I wonder ? | 07:37 |
| cps1966 | 64 or more | 07:37 |
| PepperPad4 | Wow! Really ? I knew Linux was monolithic, but 64MB just screams "BLOAT" | 07:38 |
| cps1966 | well you thing vista is better | 07:39 |
| PepperPad4 | Haha... you are right about that. | 07:40 |
| cps1966 | takes 16 GB for vista and office 2007 | 07:40 |
| PepperPad4 | Oh that's just sad. | 07:41 |
| cps1966 | yeah tell me about it | 07:42 |
| cps1966 | take 5 minutes to boot | 07:42 |
| cps1966 | on a 1.5 ghz lappy | 07:42 |
| PepperPad4 | Seagate and Samsung will have to thank Microsoft for selling bigger hard drives, more memory chips. | 07:44 |
| PepperPad4 | Those of us who remember the days of structured programming are especially aware of just how bloated programs have become. | 07:45 |
| cps1966 | all the option suck | 07:46 |
| PepperPad4 | I guess RAM is just too cheap. | 07:47 |
| cps1966 | i dunno why someone would pay for vista problems | 07:50 |
| PepperPad4 | Most people want Microsoft to do everything for them. | 07:51 |
| cps1966 | yeah till it screws up | 07:52 |
| PepperPad4 | Yeah, then they'll question if M$ really was a good choice. | 07:54 |
| cps1966 | i wouldn't trust it with my files anymore have used it since 99 | 07:55 |
| cps1966 | have not | 07:55 |
| PepperPad4 | Monopolies can't be trusted... ultimately they will screw up. | 07:56 |
| cps1966 | well they dug their own grave | 07:57 |
| PepperPad4 | We'll see how elastic the demand is for Windows.. .and its office apps. | 07:57 |
| PepperPad4 | M$ is relying on the elasticity of demand. | 07:58 |
| PepperPad4 | Basically, users have to buy a new computer to run Vista. | 07:58 |
| cps1966 | its a shame that lots of then you cant buy without os | 07:59 |
| PepperPad4 | Gates is right. The computer is an extension of the nervous system. People need that nervous system to work as they anticipate, and it's very painful for them to switch. | 08:00 |
| cps1966 | yeah but it reduces stress when you do | 08:01 |
| cps1966 | thats the big killer | 08:01 |
| PepperPad4 | I agree, I would rather understand how my computer works so I can fix it. | 08:02 |
| PepperPad4 | It's similar to cars, I guess. | 08:02 |
| cps1966 | i used to work on them at work but i retired in 2003 | 08:02 |
| PepperPad4 | Congratulations, and have a great retirement. | 08:03 |
| cps1966 | i retired early 55 and xp didn't mix | 08:04 |
| PepperPad4 | Great, now you can pursue something new. | 08:04 |
| cps1966 | na just work at home now | 08:04 |
| PepperPad4 | What kind of work are you doing at home? | 08:05 |
| cps1966 | fixing computers | 08:05 |
| cps1966 | installing xp instead of vista | 08:05 |
| cps1966 | hard to get drivers for some of them though | 08:06 |
| PepperPad4 | Installed Hardy Heron as a command-line system... display still doesn't work... can't believe it. | 08:08 |
| cps1966 | is module loaded for video | 08:09 |
| cps1966 | lsmod | 08:09 |
| PepperPad4 | I can't do an lsmod... the screen is flickering. | 08:09 |
| PepperPad4 | I'm going to try to log in and do a dpkg-reconfigure | 08:10 |
| cps1966 | oh crap | 08:10 |
| PepperPad4 | I'm at my wit's end with this. | 08:11 |
| PepperPad4 | Something changed in the way Ubuntu handles video in Gutsy/Hardy. | 08:11 |
| cps1966 | xorg 7.2 | 08:12 |
| PepperPad4 | Yeah, Xorg 7.2 ... but it should at least have a failsafe. | 08:12 |
| PepperPad4 | I can't even get a failsafe mode. | 08:12 |
| PepperPad4 | Anyways, good luck to you. | 08:13 |
| cps1966 | yeah you too | 08:13 |
| PepperPad4 | Have fun with that eee! | 08:14 |
| cps1966 | hehe well if worse comes to worse i can put xandors back | 08:14 |
| PepperPad4 | I an optimistic more eee-centric distributions will crop up. | 08:15 |
| cps1966 | just ran out of disk space need to m,ove some stuff | 08:16 |
| PepperPad4 | oh, bummer | 08:16 |
| cps1966 | yeah used up 110 GB home dir | 08:17 |
| cps1966 | lots of movies | 08:17 |
| PepperPad4 | Haha... I got to go | 08:18 |
| PepperPad4 | Have fun with that eee | 08:18 |
| PepperPad4 | Bye | 08:19 |
| cps1966 | i have 1.9 TB of space so it wont be to hard to find a hole to put some in | 08:19 |
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| pwnguin | hey, is it just me or are yahoo! games not working? | 08:54 |
| pvandewyngaerde | it is just you not working | 09:02 |
| pvandewyngaerde | (if you are playing) | 09:02 |
| pwnguin | that was a terrible pun | 09:23 |
| optx | Hi ! Hardy doesnt find my nvidia do i have to install them by myself ? | 09:33 |
| pvandewyngaerde | restricted manager | 09:38 |
| optx | hi pvandewyngaerde sorry that was my first idea but i dont find it | 09:49 |
| optx | it is under SYSTEM right ? | 09:49 |
| pvandewyngaerde | or just start restricted-manager | 10:10 |
| pvandewyngaerde | im on kubuntu its called restricted-manager-kde here | 10:10 |
| ubu | hi ! | 10:50 |
| ubu | im from germnay and i have to change everytime i lock in the language to german. how can i save that ? | 10:51 |
| Tomcat_ | ubu: Sounds like a bug. | 10:51 |
| ubu | should i install some language packs from synaptic ? | 10:52 |
| ubu | lol sysnaptic says de is installed .. | 10:53 |
| pvandewyngaerde | language pack de | 10:53 |
| ubu | language pack de and language pack de base is installed in synaptic.. maby reinstall ? | 10:54 |
| cps1966 | or reconfigure -a | 10:54 |
| ubu | whats weird too, when i open the 'Language and location' i see nothing at all | 10:56 |
| cps1966 | have you updated sources | 10:57 |
| cps1966 | somethings are missing in alpha 2 | 10:59 |
| cps1966 | stupid OOo has to be installed on everything | 11:05 |
| cps1966 | waste of good space | 11:05 |
| cps1966 | watse of time also | 11:06 |
| Skiessi | http://www.geocities.com/stssppnn/pcsp.html I want to try this. How do I do it? | 11:10 |
| cps1966 | get a sound card and speakers it simpler | 11:14 |
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| Artimus | Could someone check their Hardy installation and see if /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/kde-essential.menu exists or is even a symlink? | 16:19 |
| Pici | Artimus: I dont see it here. I dont have kde4 installed though, if that makes any difference. | 16:21 |
| Artimus | No, this is KDE3 | 16:22 |
| Artimus | Fun little bug with a fresh Hardy Alpha 2 | 16:22 |
| Artimus | Kcontrol is empty, all of the little applets are thrown in Lost+Found | 16:22 |
| Artimus | In the past, it was caused by a missing kde-essential.menu. I don't even have that in a stock Hardy install. | 16:23 |
| Pici | Thats not good. Could be a harddrive issue. | 16:23 |
| Artimus | I kind of doubt it | 16:23 |
| Artimus | This is vmware, fresh install :P | 16:23 |
| Artimus | I'm using an OS in development and youi blame my harddrive... | 16:23 |
| Pici | lost+found is for filesystem issues... | 16:24 |
| Artimus | No... | 16:24 |
| Artimus | As in Lost and Found on the KDE menu | 16:24 |
| Artimus | KDE has apps and doesn't know where to put them in the menu's | 16:24 |
| Pici | Oh... I thought you meant /lost+found | 16:24 |
| Artimus | no... | 16:24 |
| Pici | I dont use KDE, but I like some of the programs it comes it. | 16:25 |
| Artimus | I'll upload a screenshot, it's kind of funny... | 16:27 |
| Artimus | http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6883/lostandfoundou3.png | 16:28 |
| Artimus | "oops" | 16:28 |
| Pici | oops | 16:29 |
| Artimus | yeah | 16:30 |
| Pici | Any bugs filed about it? | 16:30 |
| Artimus | There's four, but these were back in the Feisty era... | 16:30 |
| Pici | Hrm. | 16:31 |
| Artimus | Should I just file a new one and then reference the other ones? | 16:31 |
| Artimus | Since none of these are marked as being in Hardy, and most were fixed in the old releases... | 16:32 |
| Artimus | Bug report filed, they can always mark it as a duplicate... | 16:40 |
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| crimsun | 2.6.24-rc6-git2 fixes the b43 mungage, yay. | 18:04 |
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| tilgovi | anyone have kde4 on hardy? | 18:41 |
| TimS | Will 7.04 will be KDE4 and not LTS? | 18:42 |
| TimS | 8.04* | 18:42 |
| Laser87 | probably | 18:43 |
| Pici | Thats the plan right now. | 18:43 |
| TimS | Hmm | 18:43 |
| Pici | Yeah, its kind of weird. | 18:43 |
| TimS | It would be nice if they offered Kubuntu LTS and K4ubuntu | 18:44 |
| TimS | I started with the last LTS release, and that was the most stable (for me) release | 18:44 |
| Laser87 | I don't think that anybody in this channel needs LTS ^^ | 18:44 |
| TimS | True true :P | 18:45 |
| TimS | But its not for us :P | 18:45 |
| tilgovi | Can anyone help me get kde4 running? I'm getting dependency conflicts with libgif and libungif | 18:46 |
| Laser87 | That's it - LTS has to be stable | 18:46 |
| TimS | I relise that, and KDE4 wont be | 18:46 |
| TimS | But its been a while since the last LTS | 18:46 |
| Pici | Almost 2 years | 18:47 |
| TimS | How long are they supported for 18 months? | 18:47 |
| Laser87 | I guess, Canonical wants KDE 4 and it would be to much work for 3.5, 4 and perhaps 4.5 | 18:47 |
| Laser87 | TimS: 3 years | 18:48 |
| TimS | Oh cool | 18:48 |
| Laser87 | server 5 years | 18:48 |
| Pici | !lts | 18:48 |
| ubotu | LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. | 18:48 |
| tilgovi | !kde4 | 18:49 |
| ubotu | KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php | 18:49 |
| iamalsotim | How can I disable EDID detection in X? | 21:04 |
| pwnguin | hmm. i dont recall setting a blue theme | 21:49 |
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| Cyclonut | Hows the Hardy hangin? | 22:46 |
| Dr_willis | Lural and Hardy! | 22:48 |
| Dr_willis | :) | 22:48 |
| Dr_willis | No Idea really. Im not brave enough to beta test it. | 22:48 |
| crdlb | s/beta/alpha/ :) | 22:52 |
| Dr_willis | gamma, delta, omega, | 22:55 |
| Dr_willis | You dont really hear people say 'im an alpha tester' | 22:56 |
| Dr_willis | Is that like an Alpha-Male? or Alpha-Geek? | 22:56 |
| tumbleweed__ | o snap | 22:56 |
| crdlb | because there's no such thing really :) | 22:57 |
| crdlb | an alpha is too unfinished for traditional "testing" | 22:57 |
| tumbleweed__ | not rly | 22:57 |
| Dr_willis | I want to be a Zeta-tester | 22:57 |
| Dr_willis | :P | 22:57 |
| tumbleweed__ | I want to be a your mom tester | 22:57 |
| * Dr_willis wants to be an Airborn ranger... | 22:58 | |
| Dr_willis | But i always die in the Paratrooper testng in AMericas Armies. | 22:58 |
| Dr_willis | :) | 22:58 |
| tumbleweed__ | o | 22:58 |
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