[00:04] WTF? [00:04] Amarok's audio just randomly moved to the wrong audio device. === Delvien_ is now known as Delvien === awen- is now known as awen_ [04:18] welcome [04:18] thanks a lot [04:18] now listen [04:18] "DO NOT RUN HARDY" [04:18] well is this worst than sid? [04:18] leap frogging from dapper to hardy will not work [04:19] it will break everything [04:19] that is why I suggested doing a fresh install [04:19] what is newer than drapper and earlier than hardy and at least kinda works? [04:19] dapper>edgy>feisty>gutsy>hardy [04:20] in that order [04:20] IdleOne: well, not break everything. but very rocky [04:20] n00bie: gutsy is good. [04:20] n00bie: they all work [04:20] but will take you hours to upgrade to each version so might as well do a fresh install if you want to run alpha [04:20] you don't want hardy, if you're new [04:20] Hobbsee: he has been in sid for 5 years now :) [04:21] so he wants to jump from dapper to hardy [04:21] so just change from dapper to gutsy in a single step, right? or is there an upgrade procedure_ [04:21] ahh [04:21] * Hobbsee sighs at people who don't read, nor seem to understand upgrade proceedures [04:21] n00bie: the procedure is one version at a time dont skip version [04:21] not really, i just want something stable but nobody recommended anything, and the only word i hear now is "hardy" and now "not hardy" [04:21] n00bie: it's probably the equivalent of potato to sid. [04:22] n00bie: you heard from teh wrong people. hardy is not stable [04:22] gutsy is stable. [04:22] great. [04:22] IdleOne: dapper to hardy will be supported [04:22] Amaranth: not yet, though [04:22] thanks, i'll follow the upgrade procedure one version at a time [04:22] Amaranth: but isnt yet [04:22] people have already started testing it and fixing problems [04:22] n00bie: good idea :) [04:22] it sort of works :P [04:23] n00bie: upgrade one version at a time from dapper to gutsy or hardy will take days [04:23] faster to make a backup and do a clean install [04:23] that is what I been saying [04:23] lol [04:23] why wont people just listen [04:25] * IdleOne is trying to save n00bie from making a mistake and then being put off from Ubuntu. step 1: read topic. Step 2: !backup Step 3: fresh install [04:26] well i have no meaningfull data, if this doesn't work i'll do the fresh install [04:26] your call! [04:26] and something else, i'm seeing a kernel image update, i hope it's 2.6.22 [04:27] 2.6.24 is hardy is using IIRC [04:27] nice [04:27] but i guess gutsy would be at least 2.6.22 or 23? [04:28] I need Ibuprofen got a " Spent way to much money Xmas shopping" headache [04:28] gutsy is 2.6.22 [04:29] odd # are testing right? [04:29] ehy, [04:29] hey [04:30] I love to hit "Enter" accidentally [04:30] is it possible to download kubuntu 8.04 with kde4? [04:31] kristjan_: dont think so but try asking in #kubuntu [04:31] you can build kde4 yourself I believe [04:31] IdleOne: isn't this channel also for kubuntu next release? [04:32] IdleOne: kubuntu 8.04 is supposed to come on two different cd's right? [04:32] kristjan_: I have no idea [04:40] Amaranth: they've updated that [04:41] kristjan_: not currently [04:41] Hobbsee: do you know then? beta1? :-) [04:41] kristjan_: sometime after kde4 is released. [04:42] kristjan_: it'll be announced on kubuntu.org [04:42] * Hobbsee is not aware of when it will happen - still needs some bugs solved first [04:42] IdleOne: see http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/ [04:43] sure thing [04:44] * Hobbsee ponders writing an email sometimes on what it all means in laymans terms [04:44] * Hobbsee sees the kubuntu-devel mialing list is bikeshedding, again [04:48] seems like canonical is slowly cutting back support to versions other the Ubuntu [04:48] s/the/then [04:49] it never supported xubuntu anywa [04:49] y [04:49] and adding more versions, you'll note [04:49] I dont use kde but I would think it would make more sense to focus on one CD. KDE4 CD [04:50] there are reasons nto to do that [04:50] having the devs working on kde3 and kde4 spreads them thin [04:50] who says they'd do much to kde3? [04:50] IdleOne: how many kubuntu devs are there anyways? [04:50] not enough [04:50] probably more then Ubuntu devs [04:51] one, two? [04:51] IdleOne: uh, no [04:51] (devs who get paid by canonical) [04:51] one who gets paid by canonical, and the artwork guy, who does it for kubuntu/ubuntu [04:51] like I said I dont use kde so I cant wax on the subject [04:53] Hobbsee: I could never have guessed that the same person is behind both default looks [04:55] well, kubuntu is a vote [04:57] is firefox 3 beta or final going to be included in hardy? [04:58] kristjan_: actually he isn't [04:58] kristjan_: He did the Kubuntu stuff then got hired by Canonical to do artwork, afaik [04:59] We haven't had an Ubuntu release with him doing artwork yet [05:33] hello [05:33] im interested in the new beta [05:33] anyone trying it out? [05:34] hardy hit beta? [05:34] updating to alpha 2 now 19 mins remaining :) [05:34] i'm not having any critical issues (that are regressions vs gutsy) [05:37] i have gutsy and feisty in a dual boot laptop setup [05:37] just playing around, trying to figure things out [05:38] the x in gutsy didnt want to play well....so I tried ultimate 1. [05:38] i have gutsy, slackware and xp for games :) [05:38] ultimate 1.5 [05:38] sry [05:38] not having much luck with it either, but i do like the preinstalled apps [05:39] which one do you like best ash? [05:39] gutsy [05:40] but slackware for speed [05:40] you? [05:40] im real new to all of it [05:40] :) [05:40] have fun :P [05:40] not really informed enough to make an opinion worth a damn [05:40] :) [05:40] LOL [05:40] oops caps :) [05:40] i just get sick of orpahned dialog boxes [05:41] hehe [05:41] gui opps all the time [05:41] nasty [05:41] and this is with gnome and a centrino laptop [05:41] kinda standard hardware [05:41] yeah strange same after multiple reinstalls? [05:41] reformats* [05:42] naw, they are all installed on different partitions [05:42] I got Xp on here too, btw [05:42] :) [05:42] i think ubuntu with wine can solve all of my computer needs [05:42] i like xp tweaked to the max with just firewall its not bad but effort to maintain [05:42] :) [05:43] is there a live cd for the beta build? [05:43] i might try that out too [05:43] os shopping is fun [05:43] :) [05:43] looks like im gunna boot into hardy heron any minute yeah its a alpha build tho [05:44] alpha, my bad [05:44] :) [05:44] aplah, so MS final release [05:44] lol [05:44] been testing their crap for years [05:45] service pack 4 lol [05:45] lol [05:45] :P [05:45] "this time we promise its almost right" [05:45] hehe [05:45] then days later...oops [05:45] we left open ports [05:45] or gave keys to nsa [05:45] our bad [05:45] lol [05:45] we will fix in sp 5 [05:46] i just got sick of all the viruses and bullshit [05:46] too much to handle [05:46] jack_: I feel your pain but please watch language :) [05:46] and foss is the honest way to go [05:46] eggshells, indeed [05:46] tiptoe [05:47] yeah viruses are annoying plus i have antivirus software and its resource hog [05:47] hate* [05:47] you know I did an win 98 install about a year ago, on a p4 box,...was smoking fast [05:47] couldnt believe it [05:48] yeah i bet i was going to try that on my p4 have disk somewhere and me lol === BHSPitMonkey is now known as Tatl [05:48] might have to do it for games better than xp [05:48] ahh brb sys restart [05:48] for christmas, i installed edubuntu on a p4 for a 4 year old blonde girl [05:48] my niece [05:49] grabbed all the games for it === Tatl is now known as BHSPitMonkey [05:50] i just did a default and set up automatic dhcp on the network [05:50] installed flash for firefox and the basic stuff [05:50] i dont know if its going to hit a network, but its something she can use [05:50] that doesnt have hanna montana on it...:) [05:57] hey anyone have fluid rev 7? [05:59] How do I get Hardy to boot into a non-graphical (working) CLI ? [06:00] I am experiencing Hardy video breakage. [06:00] !wifi [06:00] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [06:01] PepperPad4, in grub there should be a second option for the 2.6.24 kernel. fallback or something [06:01] Yes, thanks. I already tried that. It boots into a flickering screen. [06:02] Is there a more failsafe failsafe ? [06:02] there's a recovery mode on the alternative cd which will allow you to attempt to fix the system [06:03] tho that failsafe shouldn't have failed if it was xorg breakage [06:03] Oh, thanks! I'll try that. The funny thing is that the Xubuntu bootup splash (with the progress indicator) works fine. [06:09] I am trying the rescue mode on the alternative install cd [06:15] I'm using the Rescue mode now .... Got a bterm shell open. Now how do I fix the X server configuration ? [06:15] do i need madwifi to set up atheros ar5006eg [06:15] dpkg-reconfigure and xorgcfg don't work. [06:17] maybe its not installed completely [06:17] kde did same thing [06:18] does it let you login [06:18] dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver - not xorgcfg [06:18] yes, that is what I tried. dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver ... bterm does not allow it. [06:19] "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ... actually [06:19] oh yeah, thanks.. tried that too.. no dice. [06:20] says "Unknown TErminal Bterm" [06:20] Check the TERM envirnoment variable [06:20] what happens when it boots on it own [06:21] When it boots on its own, the screen goes into a flickering mode. [06:21] Is there another way to fix the graphics config ? [06:21] can you get terminal by hitting ctrl alt f1 [06:22] When I hit ctrl alt F1 (during bootup) I get another useless flickering screen. [06:23] then set wasn't successful [06:24] use the daily build [06:25] I am using HH alpha 2. [06:26] I was hoping that HH a2 could drive my Geode LX display hardware (that mainstreamed into kernel 2.6.24) [06:26] yeah i know thats why i said to get daily build [06:26] How do I get a daily build ? [06:26] you want xubuntu [06:26] yeah [06:28] is that like goubuntu [06:28] I don't know if they are similar. [06:30] How do I get a daily build ? [06:31] Thanks, I found it. [06:31] well not for xubuntu [06:31] It's OK, regular Ubuntu is fine for now. [06:34] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ [06:34] Thank you! [06:34] Does it have a changelog ? [06:34] Should I log a bug ? [06:34] it has a few things missing but you can get it installed enough to do final install with apt [06:36] Oh, to get apt working, I will need to get the nic working first. [06:36] what one [06:37] checking the maker [06:38] i have kubuntu installed on eee pc [06:38] Oh! You are using the eee ? [06:38] Really cool! [06:38] I am using the PepperPad 3 [06:38] except for wireless is not working [06:39] Oh... is it a problem in the driver or the config ? [06:39] not sure [06:39] module is loaded nut it cant find debice [06:40] good thing it has lan also [06:40] Oh, that's good... Glad you got it working. [06:40] My Pepper Pad uses an Atheros chip for Wifi [06:41] but i need wireless [06:41] Yeah, wireless is a must! [06:41] yeah so deos this [06:41] atheros ar5006eg that one [06:42] I wonder if it's the same as mine [06:42] lspci and see if yours is same thing [06:43] THanks... lspci says Atheros AR2413 802.11bg [06:44] a bit differnent then [06:44] How can I configure it to work ? [06:45] does it give you networking option at setup [06:45] yeah, but it didn't find my WiFi AP [06:45] is it on in bios [06:46] Yes. And it worked fine in Feisty Fawn. [06:46] what about gutsy [06:47] I never got Gutsy to boot graphically, so I couldn't even test it. [06:47] even final release [06:47] Yes, even the final release. Xorg problems. [06:48] can you tell it to use vesa at boot setup [06:50] Oh, where is that setting ? [06:50] well you hit one of those to get options [06:51] when booting the regular liveCD, right ? [06:51] f1 f2 or f3 [06:51] use the alternet [06:53] let me boot that one up [06:54] before the install, or after ? [06:54] before [06:55] There's an option to set the mode [06:55] To set the resolution [06:55] I don't know.. is there a cheat code for vesa ? [06:55] yes [06:56] Will the resolution (I choose) stick after installation ? [06:56] should [06:57] So would I be better off trying this with Gutsy or with HH daily build ? [06:58] heh shouldn't matter [06:58] Ok, I will try HH.. [06:59] Maybe I should just install a command-line system and start from there ? [06:59] Then at least I know the graphics won't fail. [07:00] What do you think ? [07:02] could [07:02] its not easy though [07:05] HH a2 didn't detect my Atheros AR2413 802.11bg device... That device worked fine in Feisty Fawn. [07:05] Funny. [07:06] i think eee pc is a better deal [07:07] I agree, the eee is better. [07:07] lots cheaper too [07:07] I would buy an eee tablet device. [07:08] I like the touch screen feature. [07:08] For drawing. [07:08] I hope ASUS can figure out some way to integrate a touch screen (that is not cursed by fragility) [07:09] eee is superior in almost every other respect. [07:09] i just cant stand for xandros not having the apps i use daily [07:10] Is that why you moved to Ubuntu ? [07:10] i had mandriva cooker on it earlier today seemed to work ok [07:11] I sure hope you get further than I have with this Pepper Pad. [07:11] just testing what it will do [07:12] Are you leaning towards Mandriva or Ubuntu ? [07:12] should try fedora on it next [07:13] Great idea. [07:13] going to try stable release though but not sure it will have drivers [07:14] Linux drivers have got to be the biggest nightmare. [07:14] mandriva 2008 dont because kernel is to old [07:14] Mandriva bug 2008 in Core Packages "reloading the user config or system menu closes the menudrake window" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2008 [07:17] not as bad as xp [07:17] had that on it half the stuff didn't work === ktogias_ is now known as ktogias [07:22] cps1966: did you try eeeXubuntu ? [07:23] no [07:23] http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:home [07:24] It's got wireless working. [07:28] sure wish they would leave off OOo [07:29] haha, yeah ... that would make the ISO smaller, huh? [07:30] yup dont use it so why install it [07:30] 200 MB or more [07:31] I think it's possible to make such a derivative... There's a package called Ubuntu construction kit... I think [07:32] Sorry.... it's Ubuntu Customization Kit [07:33] In theory, that would let people make their own Ubuntu customizations. [07:33] I am going to play around with that if I ever get Ubuntu working on my Pepper Pad 3. [07:34] dsl has that [07:34] but kernel is to old to find flash drive [07:35] Oh yeah... I love DSL... but its old Kernel! [07:35] 2 4 35 [07:36] Yeah... I am not sure why DSL keeps that old kernel [07:36] size [07:36] 2 6 kernels are very big [07:37] What a pity... [07:37] DSL takes up ~16 MB of RAM... How much larger would it be with a 2.6 kernel, I wonder ? [07:37] 64 or more [07:38] Wow! Really ? I knew Linux was monolithic, but 64MB just screams "BLOAT" [07:39] well you thing vista is better [07:40] Haha... you are right about that. [07:40] takes 16 GB for vista and office 2007 [07:41] Oh that's just sad. [07:42] yeah tell me about it [07:42] take 5 minutes to boot [07:42] on a 1.5 ghz lappy [07:44] Seagate and Samsung will have to thank Microsoft for selling bigger hard drives, more memory chips. [07:45] Those of us who remember the days of structured programming are especially aware of just how bloated programs have become. [07:46] all the option suck [07:47] I guess RAM is just too cheap. [07:50] i dunno why someone would pay for vista problems [07:51] Most people want Microsoft to do everything for them. [07:52] yeah till it screws up [07:54] Yeah, then they'll question if M$ really was a good choice. [07:55] i wouldn't trust it with my files anymore have used it since 99 [07:55] have not [07:56] Monopolies can't be trusted... ultimately they will screw up. [07:57] well they dug their own grave [07:57] We'll see how elastic the demand is for Windows.. .and its office apps. [07:58] M$ is relying on the elasticity of demand. [07:58] Basically, users have to buy a new computer to run Vista. [07:59] its a shame that lots of then you cant buy without os [08:00] Gates is right. The computer is an extension of the nervous system. People need that nervous system to work as they anticipate, and it's very painful for them to switch. [08:01] yeah but it reduces stress when you do [08:01] thats the big killer [08:02] I agree, I would rather understand how my computer works so I can fix it. [08:02] It's similar to cars, I guess. [08:02] i used to work on them at work but i retired in 2003 [08:03] Congratulations, and have a great retirement. [08:04] i retired early 55 and xp didn't mix [08:04] Great, now you can pursue something new. [08:04] na just work at home now [08:05] What kind of work are you doing at home? [08:05] fixing computers [08:05] installing xp instead of vista [08:06] hard to get drivers for some of them though [08:08] Installed Hardy Heron as a command-line system... display still doesn't work... can't believe it. [08:09] is module loaded for video [08:09] lsmod [08:09] I can't do an lsmod... the screen is flickering. [08:10] I'm going to try to log in and do a dpkg-reconfigure [08:10] oh crap [08:11] I'm at my wit's end with this. [08:11] Something changed in the way Ubuntu handles video in Gutsy/Hardy. [08:12] xorg 7.2 [08:12] Yeah, Xorg 7.2 ... but it should at least have a failsafe. [08:12] I can't even get a failsafe mode. [08:13] Anyways, good luck to you. [08:13] yeah you too [08:14] Have fun with that eee! [08:14] hehe well if worse comes to worse i can put xandors back [08:15] I an optimistic more eee-centric distributions will crop up. [08:16] just ran out of disk space need to m,ove some stuff [08:16] oh, bummer [08:17] yeah used up 110 GB home dir [08:17] lots of movies [08:18] Haha... I got to go [08:18] Have fun with that eee [08:19] Bye [08:19] i have 1.9 TB of space so it wont be to hard to find a hole to put some in === Tomcat_` is now known as Tomcat_ [08:54] hey, is it just me or are yahoo! games not working? [09:02] it is just you not working [09:02] (if you are playing) [09:23] that was a terrible pun [09:33] Hi ! Hardy doesnt find my nvidia do i have to install them by myself ? [09:38] restricted manager [09:49] hi pvandewyngaerde sorry that was my first idea but i dont find it [09:49] it is under SYSTEM right ? [10:10] or just start restricted-manager [10:10] im on kubuntu its called restricted-manager-kde here [10:50] hi ! [10:51] im from germnay and i have to change everytime i lock in the language to german. how can i save that ? [10:51] ubu: Sounds like a bug. [10:52] should i install some language packs from synaptic ? [10:53] lol sysnaptic says de is installed .. [10:53] language pack de [10:54] language pack de and language pack de base is installed in synaptic.. maby reinstall ? [10:54] or reconfigure -a [10:56] whats weird too, when i open the 'Language and location' i see nothing at all [10:57] have you updated sources [10:59] somethings are missing in alpha 2 [11:05] stupid OOo has to be installed on everything [11:05] waste of good space [11:06]