[00:09] <mhb> nice, the solid notifier in the panel actually works!
[00:52] <cheguevara_> evening
[00:53] <cheguevara_> hey Hobbsee
[00:54] <Hobbsee> heya!
[00:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: buildds fallen over, have they?
[00:55] <cheguevara_> he wanted you to give back kdelibs i believe
[00:56] <cheguevara_> kde4libs that is
[00:58] <Hobbsee> ah
[00:58]  * Hobbsee --> gone
[01:14] <blizzzek> gn8
[01:15] <nixternal> Hobbsee: no need to give back anything, it seems they are hurtin'
[01:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ahhh.
[01:17]  * Hobbsee might look later
[01:18] <nixternal> no biggy...allows me to update everything here and then do a batch upload
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> anyone know where guidance monitor config stores its config files for individual users?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yup, that'll require admin access
[08:46] <Jucato> Hobbsee: Merry Christmas (yeah very very late)
[08:47] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato!  merry christmas to you too!
[09:10] <GNUton> marry xmas to you all!
[09:10] <Jucato> Merry Christmas to you as well GNUton
[09:10] <GNUton> Jucato: :)
[10:22] <jpatrick> Riddell: merry x'mas! could you take a look at http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/tutorials/ ?
[10:32] <apachelogger_> merry xmas!
[10:32]  * apachelogger_ hands out cookies
[10:32] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: work? on xmas morning? Oo
[10:32] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: it's to help get more devs in ;)
[10:33] <jpatrick> feel free to 'revu' yourself
[10:33] <apachelogger_> Oo
[10:33] <jpatrick> ...the document
[10:33]  * apachelogger_ suddenly thinks his coughing and stuff isn't all that sick after all :P
[10:34] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: libqt3-mt-dev is redundant
[10:34] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: yeah, but I prefer to explictly put it
[10:35] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: packaging is missing a license version
[10:36] <apachelogger_> packaging copyrigh/license is missing a license version
[10:36] <jpatrick> pardon?
[10:37] <apachelogger_> The Debian packaging is (C) 2007, Jonathan Patrick Davies
 and is licensed under the GPL, see above.
[10:37] <apachelogger_> GPL version???
[10:37] <jpatrick> ah
[10:37] <apachelogger_> :P
[10:38] <jpatrick> "under the version 2 of GPL license" ?
[10:38] <apachelogger_> yeah, something like that
[10:38] <apachelogger_> well
[10:38] <jpatrick> or later
[10:38] <apachelogger_> version, or at your opinion any later version
[10:39] <jpatrick> done
[10:39] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: btw, I think you should explain what CDBS actually is, how it works and what it (dis)advantages are
[10:40] <apachelogger_> also if the dh based rules isn't highly commented, which I can't remember ;-), you probably should do so... so that everyone gets an idea how all that stuff works
[10:41] <jpatrick> ok
[10:43] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: maybe explaining the watch file might be good as well, in case $READER wants to get a revu from a non kubuntu motu ;-)
[10:44]  * apachelogger_ has to find some drugs to get his fits of coughing under control
[10:44] <apachelogger_> lunch at grandma's :S
[10:44] <apachelogger_> cya
[10:46] <jpatrick> later
[11:40] <jpatrick> merry christmas Hobbsee !
[12:57] <iRon> 26000 of people has voted for question to our Ukrainian president: "How to patch KDE2 on FreeBSD".. Now we are waiting for press-conference which must take place on Dec 27 ;-)
[12:59] <cheguevara_> iRon, your president is copying our president :P
[13:00] <iRon> cheguevara_: yep :)
[13:00] <cheguevara_> iRon: do you support him or you support Yanukovich?
[13:00] <iRon> cheguevara_: i'm far from politics ...
[13:01] <iRon> i support kubuntu :)
[13:01] <cheguevara_> heh
[13:01] <cheguevara_> iRon, have you heard of NBP in Ukraine?
[13:02] <iRon> NBP? what's that? :)
[13:03] <cheguevara_> Национал-Большевистская Партия
[13:05] <iRon> cheguevara_: no :)
[13:05] <cheguevara_> kk never mind :P
[13:52] <cheguevara_> bug 178234
[13:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178234 in ubuntu "GTK themes doesn't work." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178234
[14:46] <jpatrick> merry xmas cheguevara !
[14:47] <cheguevara> thanks jpatrick you too :)
[15:22] <TuxMan> Hello
[15:23] <TuxMan> Any tutorials/conferences going on?
[15:24] <jpatrick> TuxMan: that was ages ago
[15:24] <jpatrick> (merry xmas btw)
[15:24] <TuxMan> You too!
[15:24] <TuxMan> I got an XO laptop for Xmas
[15:25] <TuxMan> Been trying to find a way to make Ubuntu/Kubuntu work on it
[15:25] <jpatrick> TuxMan: how you looked though the tutorialsday logs?
[15:25] <TuxMan> no..
[15:26] <TuxMan> how? im new to kopete =|
[15:26] <jpatrick> TuxMan: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay , and pdf's at http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/tutorials/
[15:26] <jpatrick> TuxMan: support channel is #kubuntu
[15:26] <TuxMan> Oh! Thanks!
[15:27] <jpatrick> bitte
[15:27] <jpatrick> hey Elidix !
[15:28] <Elidix> jpatrick \o
[15:28] <Elidix> hi ^^
[20:41] <apachelogger__> Lure: I suppose I don't have to package QLandkarte? ;-)
[20:41]  * CheGuevara is now running KDE 4 svn
[20:41] <jpatrick> :O
[20:42] <CheGuevara> i am not seeing how the icons on desktop is gonna work
[20:42]  * jpatrick _dislikes_ icons on desktops_
[20:43]  * CheGuevara downloads everything to the desktop
[20:43]  * apachelogger__ notes that ubuntu default download path is desktop :P
[20:43] <CheGuevara> yep
[20:43]  * apachelogger__ hates desktops though
[20:43] <apachelogger__> best would be to replace it with something useful
[20:43]  * CheGuevara wants a networkmanager plasmoid
[20:43] <apachelogger__> like an aquarium or something
[20:44] <CheGuevara> god firefox is scary on KDE 4 :P
[20:46] <apachelogger__> ehm
[20:46] <apachelogger__> firefox is always scary
[20:46] <jpatrick> Konqueror ftw
[20:47] <apachelogger__> Konqueror+WebKit ftw
[20:47] <apachelogger__> meh
[20:47]  * apachelogger__ is out of nectarines :(
[20:47] <CheGuevara> lol
[20:47] <apachelogger__> hm
[20:48] <apachelogger__> xmas packages...
[20:48] <apachelogger__> pokerth
[20:48] <CheGuevara> lets write a qt frontend for FF :P
[20:48] <apachelogger__> kgtk
[20:48] <apachelogger__> maybe sqliteman
[20:48] <CheGuevara> :P
[20:48] <apachelogger__> CheGuevara: there have been plans on that
[20:48] <apachelogger__> I think by SUSE
[20:48] <CheGuevara> yeah i've heard
[20:48] <apachelogger__> but since ff is crap...
[20:49] <CheGuevara> heard somethign like that mozilla didn't give them svn access or something
[20:49] <apachelogger__> I think they would have forked it then ;-)
[20:49] <CheGuevara> whats supposed to be faster opengl or xrender
[20:49] <nosrednaekim> openGL if you have decent HW
[20:49] <apachelogger__> depends on driver/chip
[20:50] <apachelogger__> hm
[20:50] <apachelogger__> maybe also xmas package: megamek
[20:51] <apachelogger__> life time package: jashaka
[20:51] <apachelogger__> totally not xmas package: doomsday engine
[20:51] <CheGuevara> http://steelgryphon.com/blog/?p=108#comment-107274
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> ya... firefox is probably controlled somewhere by Miguel de Izca
[20:57] <CheGuevara> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=297788
[20:57] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 297788 in CVS Account Request "CVS account request Dirk Mueller for Firefox/Qt" [Normal,Assigned]
[20:57] <CheGuevara> this is what i was talking about
[20:58] <nosrednaekim> whats bad about that?
[20:59] <apachelogger__> well
[20:59] <apachelogger__> I wonder why dirk didn't write some patches then
[20:59] <CheGuevara> true
[20:59] <apachelogger__> really, dirk is the kind of person which I'd call a super hacker
[20:59] <CheGuevara> dirk is novell right?
[20:59] <apachelogger__> yeah
[21:00] <apachelogger__> well, not an evangelist like stephan binner ;-)
[21:00] <CheGuevara> hehe
[21:01] <CheGuevara> http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/7/76/Konqi-opensuse-small.jpg
[21:01] <CheGuevara> :P
[21:02] <apachelogger__> meh
[21:02] <fdoving> orter.active.Vorian] joins #kubuntu-devel6/Konqi-opensuse-sma
[21:03] <Vorian> hello to you too fdoving
[21:03] <jpatrick> ?
[21:03] <fdoving> grr..
[21:03] <apachelogger__> lol
[21:03] <Vorian> :)
[21:03] <fdoving> hi.
[21:04] <toma> hi fdoving
[21:04] <fdoving> hi toma.
[21:06] <apachelogger__> meh
[21:06]  * apachelogger__ kicks amarok
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> no!
[21:07] <apachelogger__> enough of that christmas music
[21:07]  * jpatrick watches as loud metal music comes out of apachelogger__'s speakers
[21:07]  * apachelogger__ is listening to Touch It / Technologic by Daft Punk on Alive 2007 [Amarok]
[21:07] <apachelogger__> there we go
[21:07] <apachelogger__> jpatrick: now, if that is metal? Oo
[21:08] <jpatrick> apachelogger__: it came before the /np
[21:08] <apachelogger__> -.-
[21:08] <apachelogger__> got me
[21:08] <fdoving> merry christmas to all who celebrates that.
[21:11] <Vorian> same to you fdoving :)
[21:15] <apachelogger__> fdoving: to you to
[21:15]  * apachelogger__ hands out cookie
[21:15] <apachelogger__> +s
[21:15] <Vorian> \o/
[21:15]  * Vorian eats da kookies
[21:17] <apachelogger__> meh
[21:17] <apachelogger__> I hate it when I stop packaging for some reason
[21:18] <apachelogger__> after some weeks I should restart from scratch because I forgot everything -.-
[21:18] <Vorian> kde-devel, cs KDE #
[21:18]  * Vorian ducks
[21:19]  * kde-devel hits Vorian with a copy of KDE 2
[21:19] <Vorian> nooooo
[21:19] <apachelogger__> wooohooo
[21:19] <apachelogger__> KDE2
[21:19] <apachelogger__> now that was an awesome series
[21:19] <apachelogger__> not so crapped out
[21:20] <kde-devel> wtf
[21:20] <CheGuevara> http://www.kde.org/screenshots/kde2shots.php
[21:20] <apachelogger__> did anyone ever try kgtk?
[21:21] <nosrednaekim> whats that...
[21:21] <apachelogger__> wrapper to use kde dialogs in gtk apps
[21:21] <CheGuevara> http://www.kde.org/screenshots/kde1shots.php
[21:21] <CheGuevara> sexy :P
[21:22] <apachelogger__> CheGuevara: at least branded :P
[21:22] <apachelogger__> install all of KDE 4 and check all the apps
[21:22] <apachelogger__> if you then can say all those apps look like they are 4ish you might consult a doctor
[21:23] <CheGuevara> lol
[21:23] <apachelogger__> kuser is a good example
[21:23] <CheGuevara> have you seen the font installer on vista :P
[21:23] <apachelogger__> that app already look  out of place in 3
[21:23] <apachelogger__> CheGuevara: nope
[21:23] <apachelogger__> well
[21:23] <apachelogger__> vista is a whole nother story :P
[21:23] <apachelogger__> vista is a wrapper for XP
[21:24] <CheGuevara> http://nathanbowers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/vista-font-manager.png\
[21:24] <CheGuevara> here u go
[21:24] <CheGuevara> thats not even xp
[21:24] <CheGuevara> more like 3.1 :P
[21:25] <apachelogger__> Oo
[21:26] <apachelogger__> I always thought that is just dragndrop on windows?
[21:26] <CheGuevara> it can be
[21:26] <CheGuevara> but if you right click in the fonts folder
[21:26] <apachelogger__> /usr/bin/kdialogd-wrapper: line 23: kdialogd4: command not found
[21:26] <CheGuevara> there's an option to add fonts
[21:26] <CheGuevara> which brings in that box
[21:26] <apachelogger__> meh
[21:26] <apachelogger__> well
[21:26] <apachelogger__> then also windows has that old crap issue
[21:26] <apachelogger__> but not as bad as KDE
[21:27] <CheGuevara> yeah but what i always wondered, since that is a file selection dialog box, why doesn't it re-use the code
[21:29] <CheGuevara> kgtk looks interesting
[21:30] <apachelogger__> well
[21:30] <apachelogger__> one can't build KDE3 and KDE4 support at the same time
[21:30] <apachelogger__> which makes me wonder how to package both
[21:30] <apachelogger__> which probably was the reason I stopped packaging it
[21:32] <apachelogger__> kdialogd3: Timeout:30
[21:32] <apachelogger__> bah
[21:32]  * apachelogger__ kicks that stupid app
[21:32]  * CheGuevara switche from xchat to konversation
[21:32] <CheGuevara> *switched
[21:33] <jpatrick> irssi ftw
[21:34] <CheGuevara> might as well just use bitchx then
[21:34] <jpatrick> bitchx was removed from hardy
[21:34] <CheGuevara> awww
[21:35] <CheGuevara> konversation kde 4 port doesn't seem to be coming any time soon as well
[21:36] <fdoving> irssi is nicer than bitchx, bitchx is a little bit outdated.
[21:37] <CheGuevara> apperentely bitchx2 is coming
[21:38] <CheGuevara> BitchX is the most popular IRC client among Unix systems. You can also use it on Windows, but if you had a Picasso painting, would you put it in the bathroom?
[21:38] <CheGuevara> lol
[21:41]  * apachelogger__ reports: kgtk is totally not working -.-
[21:43] <apachelogger__> cool
[21:43] <apachelogger__> now gimp explodes
[21:43] <apachelogger__> Oo
[21:44] <apachelogger__> (gimp:2363): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_send_expose: assertion `GTK_WIDGET_REALIZED (widget)' failed
[21:44] <apachelogger__> wooohoo
[21:44]  * apachelogger__ takes CheGuevara for a dance
[21:46]  * CheGuevara is happy he didn't install kgtk yet :P
[21:47] <apachelogger__> CheGuevara: it only works if you start the app with the wrapper script anyway
[21:47] <Riddell> apachelogger__: what the naach is kgtk?
[21:48] <apachelogger__> Riddell: a wrapper to use native KDE dialogs
[21:48] <apachelogger__> works with Qt and Gtk apps
[21:48] <apachelogger__> theoretically
[21:48] <apachelogger__> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=36077
[21:50] <CheGuevara> package it for kubuntu :P
[21:52] <CheGuevara> 2.6.24-rc6-mm1
[21:52] <CheGuevara> This kernel doesn't work on i386!
[21:52] <CheGuevara> useful
[21:52] <Riddell> not if it doesn't work
[21:54] <apachelogger__> Riddell: well, then at least we could generate some work for new devs ;-)
[21:54] <CheGuevara> like they don't have enough :P
[21:56]  * apachelogger__ declares: ubuntu's gtk is b0rked
[21:56] <CheGuevara> yeah just blame them :P
[21:57] <apachelogger__> well
[21:57] <apachelogger__> it works for Qt
[21:57] <apachelogger__> just tried with opera
[21:57] <apachelogger__> hm
[21:57] <apachelogger__> almost at least
[21:57] <apachelogger__> I think my opera just locked up :P
[21:58] <apachelogger__> /usr/bin/kqt3-wrapper: line 29:  3868 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/kgtk/libkqt3.so:$LD_PRELOAD "$@"
[21:58] <apachelogger__> yay
[21:58] <apachelogger__> -.-
[21:58] <apachelogger__> maybe that is fixed in .4
[21:59] <apachelogger__> oh
[21:59] <apachelogger__> I actually have .4 -.-
[22:02] <CheGuevara> hmm .24 ubuntu kernel is funy, under some reboots sound chooses not to load
[22:04] <jpatrick> that's not funny
[22:05] <apachelogger__> depends :P
[22:05]  * apachelogger__ suspects the gtk-qt-engine to be responsible for the br0ken gtk
[22:06] <jpatrick> apachelogger__: would you like it if your amarok just stopped working?
[22:06] <CheGuevara> another thing we'll be missing with kde 4
[22:06] <apachelogger__> jpatrick: considering I don't reboot in months I probably wouldn't notice :P
[22:06] <apachelogger__> CheGuevara: work stop?
[22:06] <jpatrick> heh
[22:06] <CheGuevara> no gtk-qt-engine :P
[22:07] <apachelogger__> well, as I saied a work stop :P
[22:07] <CheGuevara> lol
[22:07] <CheGuevara> seems to be dead upstream as well
[22:07] <apachelogger__> well
[22:07] <apachelogger__> IMO gtk should just be ported to qt
[22:08] <apachelogger__> much more reasonable
[22:08] <CheGuevara> haha
[22:08]  * apachelogger__ wonders how to burn the gtk-qt-engine
[22:08] <CheGuevara> dont't forget C vs C++
[22:08] <apachelogger__> who is using C anyway?
[22:08] <CheGuevara> gnome
[22:09] <apachelogger__> ah
[22:09] <apachelogger__> that isn't true :P
[22:09] <apachelogger__> mostly it's perl and python and stuff
[22:09] <CheGuevara> rewrite gnome in gtkmm!
[22:09] <jpatrick> mono...
[22:09]  * apachelogger__ doesn't like mono
[22:10] <apachelogger__> they didn't manage to get the vb.net love
[22:10] <apachelogger__> hm
[22:10] <apachelogger__> gtk-qt isn't the problem
[22:10] <apachelogger__> strange
[22:11] <apachelogger__> maybe my libs are messed up
[22:11] <CheGuevara> now i am tempted to try and announce that ur pc is b0rked
[22:11] <apachelogger__> can someone please try to run kgtk?
[22:11] <apachelogger__> CheGuevara: my PC is b0rked
[22:11] <apachelogger__> what do you expact from a machine running suse, kubuntu and windows part time?
[22:12] <CheGuevara> unhappy grub :P
[22:12] <CheGuevara> i will try it though
[22:13] <CheGuevara> wanna go for a cig first
[22:13]  * apachelogger__ can'
[22:13] <apachelogger__> t
[22:13] <apachelogger__> tried to smoke before, tasted like *****
[22:13] <CheGuevara> lucky
[22:13]  * apachelogger__ should probably become a nu generation hacker anyway ;-)
[22:13] <CheGuevara> being addicted sucks
[22:14] <apachelogger__> not smoking, not alcohol drinking
[22:14] <apachelogger__> but tea
[22:14] <jpatrick> tea!!
[22:14] <apachelogger__> see :P
[22:14] <CheGuevara> i never had a feeling it tastes like crap though
[22:14] <CheGuevara> weed does....
[22:14]  * jpatrick : tea and coffeo
[22:14] <apachelogger__> oh, no coffee either
[22:14] <CheGuevara> as long as its not tea with milk :P
[22:14] <apachelogger__> but earl grey
[22:15]  * apachelogger__ notes that he never tried tea with milk
[22:15] <CheGuevara> mmm earl gray is nice
[22:15] <CheGuevara> neither have i
[22:15] <CheGuevara> though living in UK you see it quiet often :P
[22:15] <apachelogger__> lol
[22:16] <CheGuevara> lets ask Riddell
[22:17] <CheGuevara> though he'll probably tell us that Scotland != UK :P
[22:18] <jpatrick> tea with milk is good
[22:19] <CheGuevara> if you say so :P
[22:21] <CheGuevara> right brb
[22:35] <CheGuevara> back
[22:43] <CheGuevara> apachelogger__: kdialogd4: command not found
[22:46] <CheGuevara> apachelogger__: after ln -s it seems to work fine with firefox
[23:18] <doc__> hi there
[23:19] <jpatrick> hi doc__
[23:20] <CheGuevara> hi
[23:31] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: can you pop by #ubuntu-ops a sec?
[23:31] <CheGuevara> yar