[00:06] <sourcemaker> ardchoille: Can I use the nvidia binary package with the last vanilla kernel?
[00:06] <Dr_willis> proberly not sourcemaker
[00:06] <Dr_willis> You will proberly have to use the nvidia isntaller/drivers and install them specifically for that kernel.
[00:06] <effie_jayx> ata1.00: exception Emask error when booting anyone
[00:06] <ardchoille> sourcemaker: I don't really know, I'm not the best person to ask about kernel stuff. I have never had to compile a kernel.
[00:06] <Dr_willis> at least thas how i used to have to do it.
[00:07] <jhutchins> !kernel
[00:07] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[00:08] <ciperlone> merry xmas to you all!!!
[00:09] <maduser> w00t
[00:09] <sourcemaker> ardchoille: I have read that the hardy repos is open... Can I use the kernel package from hardy?
[00:10] <ardchoille> sourcemaker: how much of "I don't know about kernels" do you not understand?
[00:11] <biovore> sourcemaker: In theory.. but going that direction could break alot of stuff..
[00:11] <sourcemaker> biovore: Well... there is a lot of stuff break ... for me with kernel 2.6.22
[00:12] <biovore> probably best just to do a apt source and get the source for the hardy kernel and build it for feisty..
[00:13] <ticat85> hello, has anyone out there installed a Logitech Quickcam Messenger before on Linux?
[00:13] <sourcemaker> biovore: I know this URL... http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/ but I can find any nvidia related stuff
[00:13] <ticat85> Dr_willis, I know you're  a wizard an this linux stuff any ideas?
[00:14] <Dr_willis> Ive had 4 different webcams.. None of which worked under linux.
[00:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:14] <Dr_willis> !webcam
[00:14] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[00:14] <Dr_willis> i dont even have a use for a webcam under linux.
[00:14] <ticat85> woot thanks, Dr_willis, even MORE reading
[00:14] <Dr_willis> well guess i could point it at my Fishtank.
[00:14] <ticat85> it shows up here as dev/video0
[00:15] <Dr_willis> I got an EyeToy WebCam :)
[00:15] <jhutchins> ticat85: I think the short answer is "Yes", but I don't know who.
[00:16] <ticat85> aw :(, well I guess no webcam conference for xmas :(
[00:16] <ticat85> what's this about easycam... i didn't see that in my applications to install
[00:17] <jhutchins> ticat85: From what i've heard it's not hard to set that one up if you just follow the guides.
[00:17] <jhutchins> ticat85: However, if you blunder about first, you end up in that Windows situation where you plugged in a USB device before installing the software and it picked the wrong driver, which is blocking the right driver, etc.
[00:18] <Evolution2> how do I change the UUID of my partition to the correct one because I keep getting a superblock error
[00:18] <ticat85> oh :|
[00:18] <ticat85> so should i unplug it and try again?
[00:18] <Dr_willis> I think tune2fs can change the UUID
[00:18] <Evolution2> what's the command
[00:18] <Dr_willis> tune2fs --help
[00:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:18] <Dr_willis> [-O [^]feature[,...]] [-T last_check_time] [-U UUID] device
[00:18] <Dr_willis> it says at the bottom
[00:19] <ticat85> jhutchins, where do i find "EasyCam"?
[00:19] <Evolution2> so
[00:19] <ticat85> sudo apt-get install easycam doesn't work :(
[00:19] <Evolution2> sudo -U uuid
[00:19] <Dr_willis> tune2fs -U PUTINTHEUUIDHERE /PutThe/Device/Here
[00:19] <jhutchins> ticat85: Dunno, read the docs.
[00:20] <Dr_willis> with a sudo of course.
[00:20] <jhutchins> ticat85: Mine is a Minicam which doesn't work with linux.
[00:20] <ticat85> ahh :( this sounds so doomed, but I have to try !
[00:20] <Dr_willis> what is everyone doing with these webcams anyway? :)
[00:20] <ciperlone> can i see the real size of all folders in konqueror? how? thank you...
[00:21] <Dr_willis> real size vs the unreal size?
[00:21] <Evolution2> oh what's not what I mean. when I boot up right before the filling kubuntu bar gets to the part where it mounts the partitions it gives me that it's the wrong uuid for kubuntu. so kubuntu is trying to mount itself on top of its old uuid. what's the command that lists the uuid of the partitions
[00:21] <ticat85> Dr_willis, cam-hos :) jk - I'm trying to use it to connect with my family over xmas
[00:22] <Dr_willis> I tend to use the View==>ViewMode[00:22] <ciperlone> Dr_willis: the size that appears when one click properties in a folder
[00:23] <vzduch> ciperlone: that would be the size of the folder's contents
[00:23] <vzduch> the folder itself has no size
[00:24] <Evolution2> vzduch: a folder has a size of 0.01 Bytes
[00:24] <vzduch> (or perhaps it has.. but I don't know what that depends upon..)
[00:24] <vzduch> Evolution2: lol
[00:26] <ticat85> woot, got easycam2! now... to install
[00:26] <ciperlone> e.g.: i have a folder of 2GB, plus another one of 534Mb, and another one of 23Mb, and I want to see them in detailed view, showing the real size of each one instead the default value of 4,096
[00:26] <ticat85> Dr_willis, you use the PS2 EyeToy for yours?
[00:26] <ciperlone> is it possible?
[00:26] <Dr_willis> ticat85,  i have one.. ;) its in a box in the closet..
[00:27] <Dr_willis> last i used it was on XP for the wife
[00:27] <ticat85> Dr_willis, pfft, well break it out and play some Dance Groove
[00:28] <ciperlone> can anyone help please?
[00:28] <biovore> du -h?
[00:29] <Dr_willis> ticat85,  she liked the eyetoy games also.. but the PS2 is dead now.
[00:29] <Dr_willis> So its Wii Bowling for now!
[00:29] <Evolution2> ciperlone: you just hover over them in dolphin
[00:29] <ticat85> Dr_willis, Wii is dangerous :| my friend broke his glass coffee table... twice
[00:29] <Dr_willis> What! dolphin actually has a Featuer! :)
[00:29] <Dr_willis> ticat85,  wife almost gave me a Black Eye.
[00:30] <unix_infidel> yea, that's what happens when you move around and do stuff.
[00:30]  * Dr_willis imagines telling people "the wife was playing with my Wii and gave me a black eye' 
[00:30] <ticat85> Dr_willis, did she burn the roast or?
[00:30] <ticat85> :)
[00:30] <Dr_willis> Heck she dances around playing Normal Games..   Leans to the side while driving in GTA and so forth..
[00:30] <ticat85> err i read that wrong nvm, she almost gave YOU a blackeye
[00:31] <Dr_willis> ticat85,  :)
[00:31] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: she likey wont get mad at that statement.
[00:31] <ciperlone> Evolution2: how?
[00:31] <ticat85> Dr_willis, EasyCam2 debunked
[00:31] <unix_infidel> the only part she'll get mad at is the *MY* wii part.
[00:31] <ticat85> and it's in french
[00:32] <ticat85> well no wonder... they arent using any real webcams :P
[00:32] <ticat85> http://blognux.free.fr/Liste/
[00:32] <ticat85> french people *sigh* ;)
[00:33] <ticat85> QuickCam Web, QuickCam Express, and QuickCam Home are supported
[00:33] <Dr_willis> What! No QuickCam Home Web Express!
[00:33] <jmm_wifi> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2065/2129383514_1a05411a6f_o.jpg
[00:33] <jmm_wifi> ui
[00:33] <jmm_wifi> sorry mates
[00:33] <Dr_willis> What! No QuickCam Home Web Express Spiffy Extra Title Uber Expresso >
[00:34] <jmm_wifi> wrong channel
[00:34] <ticat85> wait wait, Dr_willis, there is QuickCam Super Action Robot Web Express Squad Express - is that your camera?
[00:34] <Evolution2> ciperlone: I assume you have KDE 3.5.8 correct? just don't put all these "folders" under the same overall folder
[00:34] <Dr_willis> ticat85,  almost.. I have the  'F@lla8ty' edition. :)
[00:35] <ticat85> :| i wish I was so good at videogames 11 year olds would buy my PC parts
[00:35] <tilgovi> anyone on a thinkpad seen /proc/acpi/ibm/brightness go missing?
[00:35] <Dr_willis> ticat85,  and get all kinds of Babes!
[00:35] <Dr_willis> ticat85,  ok  - i Plugged in my eyetoy webcam
[00:36] <ciperlone> Evolution2: in dolphin i can't see the size of the real folders
[00:36] <Dr_willis> lets see... what even uses the thing
[00:36] <Dr_willis> ls -l /dev/video   video0   video24  video32
[00:36] <Dr_willis> !webcam
[00:36] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[00:37] <ciperlone> is there a plugin or an option to enable viewing the real size of the folders in konqueror?
[00:38] <ticat85> Dr_willis, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49509/
[00:39] <Dr_willis> ticat85,  all my /dev/video* things are my TV Tuner cardit seems :)
[00:39] <Dr_willis> ciperlone,  none that i am aware of, or have ever heard mentioned
[00:39] <Dr_willis> ciperlone,  may want to ask in #kde
[00:40] <Evolution2> ciperlone: hmm maybe I am not understanding what you mean
[00:40] <Dr_willis> ticat85,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingEyetoyAsAWebcam
[00:40] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:41] <ticat85> Dr_willis, I know when I was in TVtime yesterday configuring my AverTV card - the logitech quickcam messenger came up as dev/video0
[00:41] <limac> hey
[00:42] <limac> how can i build a collection in amarock? i mean where to get the music from?
[00:42] <Dr_willis> ticat85,  aparently the eyetoy has a nonstandard module.. lets see what other webcams i got.
[00:42] <ciperlone> Evolution2: i want this http://foldersize.sourceforge.net/ , but for konqueror! :)
[00:43] <Dr_willis> Quick Cam Messenger. :)
[00:43] <vzduch> limac: you can use any (supported) audio files you have on your disks
[00:44] <ubuntu_> how do you set the compiz on the live cd?
[00:44] <ticat85> Dr_willis, so am i doomed?
[00:44] <ticat85> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=111225&highlight=quickcam+messenger
[00:44] <vzduch> ubuntu_: you don't, because the live CD doesn't come w/ 3D-enabled gfx drivers
[00:44] <ubuntu_> fudge i thought it did
[00:45] <vzduch> i_is_two: it's a licensing issue
[00:45] <limac> vzduch: but I have none. so is there any website that i can downlado 'em from?
[00:45] <Dr_willis> ticat85,  no idea. :) my QC Messanger is seen as /dev/video1 - but aint workign right either.
[00:45] <i_is_two> so theres no way to get it working on the livecd at all?
[00:46] <vzduch> not that I know of
[00:46] <ticat85> Dr_willis, well they mention some sources at: http://home.mag.cx/messenger/
[00:46] <ticat85> but I can't seem to load the page :(
[00:47] <Dr_willis> ticat85,  lib/modules/2.6.22-12-386/kernel/drivers/media/video/usbvideo only has like 6 webcam modules.
[00:47] <Dr_willis> lets look in my box and see what OTHER webcams i got.
[00:47] <i_is_two> the installer on the cd does it conserve windows partitions and installs?
[00:47] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. My CreativeNX is Missing..
[00:47] <ciperlone> ubuntu_ i_is_two: what if you install it by synaptic? is it not possible to install packages in a live cd???
[00:48] <i_is_two> ?
[00:48] <ticat85> Dr_willis, why do you collect webcams so?
[00:48] <vzduch> i_is_two: yes, if you use it correctly
[00:48] <ardchoille> ciperlone: I have installed packages in a livecd env, but they will be gone once you reboot
[00:48] <i_is_two> i am used to the slackware installer on a blank drive and if its not blank then i wipe it
[00:48] <ciperlone> ardchoille: of course...
[00:49] <i_is_two> i'm assuming it displays the partitions and lets me decide what to do with them?
[00:49] <ticat85> Dr_willis, check it out: I have "quickcam_messenger.ko"
[00:49] <ticat85> so wtf can't I access it
[00:50] <i_is_two> hmmm
[00:50] <vzduch> i_is_two: in expert mode, yes
[00:52] <Dr_willis> ticat85,  thats what module loaded for my webcam also.. andit dident work
[00:52] <ticat85> Dr_willis, does Ubuntu hate us?
[00:53] <notv> dr_willis, i found this thread  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=413826
[00:54] <notv> is this useful at all in my situation?
[00:54] <Dr_willis> ticat85,  i think we need MORE varity in webcams!@ :)
[00:55] <ticat85> Dr_wills, who do we bitch to about that?
[00:55] <vzduch> ticat85: the webcam manufacturers?
[00:56] <ticat85> hmm... you'd think a company like logitech would make drivers for linux
[00:56] <Dr_willis> Whats amusing is that there aparently are modules/drivers for it.
[00:56] <Dr_willis> It could be my TV tuner card is confusing things
[00:57] <Dr_willis> I get a /dev/video1 for the webcam - it just isent working right
[00:57] <notv> it looks like fedora has a patch for using an HTC cell phone as a modem. does that offer any hope for ubuntu or what?
[00:57] <ardchoille> Just bought a 1Gb usb key. Can the Kubuntu live cd be run in a way that it reads from and writes to $HOME on a usb key to have persistent settings?
[00:57] <Dr_willis> notv,  somthing that i 'might' be able to figure out how to do.. but patching the kernel.. is a bit over myhead.
[00:58] <notv> is that what it would entail to get the HTC 'modeming' for a laptop?
[00:58] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  not that i am aware of. The ubuntu lvue cd. is a bit lacking in that area. There are other live cd's that can install/do that from usb keys
[00:58] <vzduch> ardchoille: take a look at Sidux for that purpose
[00:58] <ardchoille> Dr_willis , vzduch Thanks
[00:59] <notv> have any of you used fedora?
[00:59]  * vzduch has Fedora installed at home
[00:59] <Dr_willis> i like dsl, and puppylinux, and slax :)
[00:59] <notv> how would you compare it to ubuntu?
[01:00] <DerHesse> hi can someone help me with cedega?
[01:00] <vzduch> more current pkg selection, some cutting-edge features (like e.g. darn PulseAudio), less handholding
[01:00] <vzduch> but good config tools
[01:01] <notv> if im to convert a windows user to linux, i think handholding might be necessary
[01:04] <Dr_willis> I dont even try to 'convert' windows users any more.. I just do my own thing.. an amaze them.. and let them decide..
[01:04] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:04] <Dr_willis> "what do ya mean.. you never have to defrag?"
[01:04] <Dr_willis> "what do ya mean.. you never have to scan for spyware/malware/viruses?"
[01:04] <Dr_willis> "what do ya mean.. it INCLUDED all those programs?"
[01:05] <Dr_willis> heh heh.. THEN ya fire up compiz for the Kill!
[01:14] <notv> once i got my firepod working on gutsy
[01:14] <notv> ive pretty much dumped windows for good
[01:14] <blizzzek> gn8
[01:17] <cl> find Veruca Salt
[01:17] <cl> @find Veruca Salt
[01:18] <vzduch> wth?
[01:18] <crimsun> quite a few Veruca Salt albums were posted on usenet lately
[01:18] <crimsun> perhaps you should look in a more appropriate place ;)
[01:19] <vzduch> cl, crimsun: in case you missed it, filesharing is an inappropriate topic in here..
[01:19] <crimsun> vzduch: I'm well aware.
[01:19] <crimsun> (It's also a blatant fib if you haven't caught my drift.)
[01:21] <Pici> #kubuntu seems like the most logical place to go if you were looking for something like that though...
[01:21] <vzduch> who or what is Veruca Salt anyway?
[01:21] <crimsun> vzduch: random band
[01:22] <crimsun> Pici: indeed.  I've been wondering why no one has helped me with my toaster, too.
[01:22] <vzduch> style?  comparable to anything known?
[01:22] <vzduch> crimsun: hrhr
[01:23] <crimsun> more slick and radio-friendly L7
[01:23] <crimsun> anyhow, this belongs in -offtopic instead
[01:23] <vzduch> never heard of either
[01:31] <aro> !compiz
[01:31] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:36] <ticat85> dr_willis eta on logitech quickcam messenger working?
[01:37] <shaffy> can someone tell me how to keep the same device name for my external hd every time i plug it in?  for example, sometimes it is sdb1, sdc1 or sdd1.  i need to keep it as one name so i know which device name to mount in ftsab.  thanks for any help.
[01:38] <intelikey> shaffy use the  UUID
[01:38] <shaffy> intelikey: can you tell me how to find the UUID of my external hd please?
[01:38] <intelikey> blkid
[01:39] <Artimus> shaffy: blkid will tell you the UUID's of all of your partitions.
[01:39] <intelikey> shaffy it's not the "device" or the partition   it's the filesystem.  but yes that's how.
[01:41] <shaffy> intelikey: that's awesome dude.  i really appreciate it.  that solves so many of my problems.  :)
[01:41] <shaffy> peace bro. happy holidays. :)
[01:42] <intelikey> merry Christ Mass to you.
[01:42] <shaffy> haha
[01:42] <shaffy> i like it
[01:42] <shaffy> that's what me and my buddy used to call it
[01:45] <vzduch> intelikey: Merry X-Mess ;)
[01:46] <intelikey> vzduch you can't cross out the Christ,   they tried it already   :)
[01:47] <shaffy> haha
[01:47] <shaffy> i like that
[01:48] <vzduch> anyway, Christmas was an invention of the Roman Catholic Church to get their feet into heathen communities
[01:50] <shaffy> whatever it may be,
[01:50] <intelikey> vzduch no doubt, however it is not what it started off anyway.       but this is very OT.  so  i'll shush for a change.
[01:50] <shaffy> it is what it is today.
[01:50] <shaffy> intelikey: OT?
[01:50] <awen_> anybody here that can help me how to make a backtrace?
[01:50] <intelikey> !ot | shaffy
[01:50] <ubotu> shaffy: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:51] <shaffy> lol
[01:51] <shaffy> gotcha
[01:51] <Mat33> guys when I type 'chmod -R uog-w /home/neo/firefox', I get the error, 'chown: `u+w': invalid user'
[01:51] <Mat33> Sorry
[01:52] <Mat33> guys when I type 'chown -R u+w /home/neo/firefox', I get the error, 'chown: `u+w': invalid user'
[01:52] <vzduch> Mat33: pretty self-explanatory.. you didn't give a user nor group to change to
[01:52] <intelikey> man chown    and   man chmod   you are confusing the two.
[01:53] <Mat33> No I know chmod is to change
[01:53] <Thingus> I'm trying to get wireless working on a CLI system. Card is a BCM4318. I've got ndiswrapper compiled from the latest source, and can see my wireless access point with iwlist. How do I connect to it?
[01:53] <Mat33> and chown for to give permission
[01:54] <awen_> Mat33: chmod is for changing permissions
[01:54] <Mat33> Ya I know
[01:54] <Mat33> I changed it first so that no one can write to that folder and then I want to change it back to give the right to write to the owner.
[01:55] <earl_> hey guys. I have some problems with my display - but only OUTSIDE of X.
[01:55] <awen_> Mat33: then you need to use chmod
[01:55] <intelikey> then >>> <Mat33:#kubuntu> guys when I type 'chown -R u+w /home/neo/firefox', I get <<< must have been a typo.
[01:55] <earl_> that is, anything text based, like the startup screen, or a non-X terminal, shows up ridiculously large
[01:55] <earl_> like one letter of text is about a 5th of my screen
[01:56] <earl_> i can't even see the kubuntu logo at start up because everything's blown up so ig
[01:56] <earl_> and this is off a clean install of gutsy.
[01:56] <Mat33> Thanks
[01:56] <earl_> never had this issue with previous releases, or even when i upgraded from feisty to gutsy.
[01:56] <Mat33> It was the guide at ubuntu forums that got it wrong.
[01:57] <awen_> Mat33: link?
[01:57] <earl_> anyone know what i can do about it?
[01:58] <intelikey> earl_ sure set a usable vga= in the menu.lst
[01:58] <Mat33> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[01:58] <earl_> menu.lst ....??
[01:58] <earl_> also, what is usable
[01:58] <Mat33> The section 'Installing Firefox (Quick and Dirty)'
[01:58] <intelikey> that file that grub reads so you have a menu at boot time.
[01:59] <earl_> where is it?
[01:59] <intelikey> see /boot/grub/menu.lst     usable might be  vga=0x0f04
[01:59] <earl_> k, i'll have a look
[01:59] <awen_> Mat33: and the command 'chmod -R uog-w /home/username/firefox' fails?
[01:59] <intelikey> earl_ or maybe   vga=791   or even   vga=normal
[01:59] <Mat33> no
[02:00] <earl_> how would i go about testing it out
[02:00] <vzduch> trial + error
[02:00] <awen_> Mat33: can you point me to exactly what point in the guide that is wrong, so we can change it?
[02:00] <intelikey> earl_ use the [esc]  select the boot option   [e] to edit  [e] to edit   and change it.  then [b] to boot.
[02:01] <intelikey> at boot time.   ^
[02:01] <earl_> vga= only shows up once in menu.lst
[02:01] <earl_> and is commented out
[02:01] <earl_> any particular place it needs to go?
[02:02] <Artimus> Heads up, there's a bug with vga= lines in Gutsy...
[02:02] <intelikey> earl_ the      'kernel' line
[02:02] <intelikey> Artimus ah   have info ?
[02:02] <Artimus> sure, 1 second...
[02:02] <intelikey> earl_ see Artimus
[02:03] <Artimus> Stupid slow Launchpad...
[02:03] <earl_> i'm listening
[02:03] <vzduch> good night folks
[02:03] <intelikey> vzduch and you.
[02:03] <awen_> night vzduch
[02:03] <Artimus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910
[02:03] <Artimus> Might just be hardy
[02:04] <Artimus> But I ran into a problem with it on a few boxes in Gutsy, might be unrelated to that
[02:05] <earl_> well this s great. but i don't have any VGA= lines at all
[02:05] <earl_> maybe i should put one in?
[02:06] <earl_> this is my kernel line
[02:07] <earl_> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID=b75eb9db-246a-490b-9771-57cd60f54c31 ro quiet splash
[02:07] <awen_> earl_: yes, you just add it add the end
[02:07] <earl_> i dont know what most of that stuff means
[02:07] <intelikey> well that bug looks like it's the vidio card/chip not a kernel bug per'se   that is it's not going to affect all hardware.  i've seen that before.
[02:08] <awen_> anybody knows how to make a backtrace if no dbgsym package is avaible?
[02:09] <intelikey> earl_   "kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic vga=0x0f04 nosplash
[02:09] <intelikey> awen_  strace <command>  ?
[02:10] <earl_> okay i'm going to restart and give it a shot
[02:10] <earl_> brb
[02:10] <intelikey> awen_ ltrace if you need lots of debugging
[02:10] <awen_> intelikey: thx, i'll give see if that gives something useful
[02:11] <intelikey> i offer only sujestions, and make no promiceses.   (apply the GNU-GPL disclaimer here)
[02:13] <awen_> intelikey: anything that might be better for kde apps?
[02:13] <awen_> got 61K lines... think it's a little to much to attach to a bug
[02:14] <intelikey> awen_ ummmm i'm sure there is.  but i'm not a developer and don't even use a GUI   so....    idk.
[02:15] <awen_> intelikey: okay, thanks for the try
[02:16] <earl_> no dice guys
[02:16] <intelikey> awen_ and i know what you mean about ?trace.   ltrace with the right filter will almost reverse engeneer an app by it's self
[02:16] <earl_> i had this line in menu.lst
[02:16] <earl_> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID=b75eb9db-246a-490b-9771-57cd60f54c31 ro quiet splash vga=792
[02:16] <earl_> and it did not work
[02:17] <intelikey> earl_ so don't use 792     duh
[02:17] <earl_> well the thing is there was no difference...
[02:17] <awen_> intelikey: yeah, it can generate an awful lot of input
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> earl_: what doesn't work about it?
[02:18] <earl_> should i try vga=normal?
[02:18] <intelikey>  earl  yes  or  788   maybe     or like i said force textmode on it.   vga=0x0f04 nosplash
[02:18] <earl_> terminal text is still really big, the splash screen doesn't show up
[02:18] <nonewmsgs> my xorg.conf file is right about my moniter but kde is using its own resolution ~640x480
[02:19] <nonewmsgs> how can i make it so it uses the xorg.conf setting instead of its default setting
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> nonewmsgs: did you see what system settgins->monitor and display says?
[02:19] <earl_> okay i'm gonna give that a shot
[02:20] <nonewmsgs> yes but the last time i did it i it screwed everything up so all i had was 640x480 in gnome, splash screen, etc
[02:20] <nonewmsgs> the bar is in th emiddle of the screen size
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> nonewmsgs: oh.... well, go back and set it back to normal.
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> set it to the right end
[02:21] <nonewmsgs> i pressed keep the new setting and nothing changed
[02:21] <nonewmsgs> that means if i logout my login screen is now at the lower rez :(
[02:21] <nonewmsgs> and im sudo dpkg-ing again
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> hrm... I do wonder where those settings are stored... maybe .xsession?
[02:23] <nonewmsgs> the problem is only with k.  under gnome it is fixed until i try to fix k's rez
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> nonewmsgs: do you have a .xession in your ~/ DIR?
[02:23] <intelikey> nosrednaekim or .kderc ?
[02:23] <Daemon--> Merry Xmas everyone :)
[02:24] <intelikey> jsut a thought
[02:24] <earl_> yeah this vga= option isn't making a difference.
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: possible
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> I never knew what that did anyway ;)
[02:24] <nonewmsgs> i have a .kde and a .kq
[02:24] <intelikey> earl_ did you try it with "nosplash" or not ?
[02:24] <earl_> the text is still really big and the startup splash (although i can tell its showing up) is so big that the word kubuntu is off the screen
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> nonewmsgs: do you have a .xsession?
[02:25] <nonewmsgs> no
[02:25] <earl_> no, i didn't try that, but i'm almost certain its just going to give me startup messages that are still too big to be readable
[02:25] <nonewmsgs> .xine and then .xmms
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> ok
[02:25] <intelikey> earl_ well my very first sujestion was to test that,  and you've tried everything else....
[02:25] <earl_> might as well.
[02:25] <earl_> brb.
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> nonewmsgs: maybe i'll have to take a dive into that python code to see what it does :D
[02:27] <nonewmsgs> thanks i have to go afk for a bit
[02:27] <nonewmsgs> anything you think of just dont forget and either type it or ill ask again later
[02:27] <nonewmsgs> thanks for the help
[02:27] <nonewmsgs> and merry christmas
[02:27] <intelikey> if earl comes back saying that it's now readable,   that proves it's a fbcon issue.    and he probably will.  and probably has ati onboard chip 64bit ....   just a guess
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> nonewmsgs: ok
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: hehe :D
[02:30]  * Agent_bob hides
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> lol  ----- print "Houston, we have a problem: No screens found in configuration file, exiting. :("
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> from the displayconfig code :D
[02:32] <Agent_bob> i think i've seen that...
[02:33] <earl_> okay so at least with nosplash the text shows up at the right size and i can see everything
[02:33] <earl_> however, if there's a better solution, that'd be optimal
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> earl_: heh :D do you have an ATI, and are running 64 bit?
[02:34] <Agent_bob> nosrednaekim ^ you want to check the other assumptions ?
[02:34] <Agent_bob> :)
[02:34] <earl_> ATI yes. i'm not running a 64bit build of linux
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> Agent_bob: I think that was good enough :D
[02:34] <earl_> unless you recommend it, because i do have a 64 bit proc
[02:34] <Agent_bob> :)
[02:34] <Evolution2> so you recon KDE4 is going to blow away 2.2x gnome?
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> earl_: no... thats fine :D
[02:34] <shaffy> does anyone know of a good compression program for kubuntu?  is it called ark or something?  i need to make rar/zip files
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> Evolution2: for some maybe, not everyone will ever be happy with it
[02:35] <awen_> shaffy: ark
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> shaffy: ark for teh win
[02:35] <earl_> i dunno if any of you guys use pidgin or not, but when i am in pidgin and i type backspace when there's no text to delete, my PC speaker makes a loud beep. how do i stop that
[02:35] <awen_> just install the right packages for zip/rar etc. and it can do allmost anything
[02:35] <Evolution2> you guys are all kubuntu users I take it
[02:35] <earl_> i don't think it's in the pidgin options
[02:35] <Agent_bob> earl_ there are known issues with ati onboard 64 bit   and fbcon   ont all chips but some just simply refuse to play nice with fbcon(kernel frame buffering used for usplash)
[02:36] <earl_> agent_bob: i see
[02:36] <Agent_bob> s/ont/not/
[02:36] <jtt> is anyone here doing voip with a headset successfully on gutsy
[02:37] <awen_> jtt: done it with kphone
[02:37] <shaffy> and can someone tell me a relatively good picture viewer other then Gwenview?
[02:37] <jtt> awen_, on laptop or desktop
[02:37] <shaffy> thanks awen_ and nosrednaekim for the ark information bytheway
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> shaffy: digikam? it comes with kubuntu..
[02:38] <shaffy> hmm thanks nosrednaekim
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> Evolution2: mostly.
[02:38] <awen_> jtt: laptop (ibm T43)
[02:38] <Agent_bob> earl_ if you don't have to have the eyecandy while booting,  the simple fix is to not use usplash and thereby not put the vidio hardware into vidio mode under fbcon supervision.    an alternative is to fine tune the fbcon/vga= to some working setting and then never try to access textmode dispaly.   i would recommend the former rather than the later.
[02:38] <jtt> awen_, and one more question, what brand/model of headset please
[02:39] <Evolution2> nosrednaekim: thanks for helping me those previous time I forgot to thank you before
[02:39] <earl_> no it's fine... i dont neeeeeeeed the splash screen
[02:39] <Evolution2> times*
[02:39] <earl_> i just dont like the idea that if i leave this alone, it could mess up something months from now
[02:39] <earl_> anyone have any idea about the pidgin thing
[02:40] <awen_> jtt: i think it is plantronics
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> Evolution2: lol... I don't remember most of the people who come through here :)
[02:40] <earl_> i know that's a gnome program but it doesn't do that when i run it in windows...
[02:40] <awen_> earl_: it's the pc-speaker
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> earl_: trun off your pcspeaker in kmix
[02:40] <Evolution2> nosrednaekim: it was along time. my n00bs days are over
[02:40] <earl_> how do i do that nosred
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> Evolution2: good to hear :)
[02:40] <jtt> awen_, thanks i was looking at them specificially the dsp 400
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> earl_: open up kmix, and mute the channel labeled PC speaker
[02:41] <earl_> doesnt seem to be one
[02:41] <earl_> master, pcm, capture mux
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> earl_: right click on kmix and select "channels"select pc speaker...
[02:41] <earl_> right clicking on kmix does not show a "channels"
[02:41] <earl_> there is "select master channel"
[02:42] <awen_> jtt: they are pretty nice :)
[02:42] <earl_> which brings up a dialog that, again, conspicuously leaves out a pc speaker option
[02:42] <ScottG> I have the same issue.. even with PC Speaker off I get the PC beep..
[02:42] <Dr_willis> xset b 0 0 0       will kill a lot of the beeps. :)
[02:42] <earl_> scottG - i've only noticed it in pidgin, if i press backspace without anyhting to delete
[02:42] <ScottG> I get it in Xchat.. which I'm using now..
[02:43] <Dr_willis> that kills off the standard x beep.
[02:43] <Dr_willis> backspace in xcaht dont beep here
[02:43] <ScottG> does here and I just tried Pidgin.. there too
[02:43] <intelikey> ScottG you can probably blacklist pcspkr if you don't like   echo -e "\a"
[02:43]  * awen_ started to receive beeps from evolution after upgrading to hardy
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> earl_: I mean in the main kmix window... not the panel icon
[02:43] <earl_> Dr_willis xset b 0 0 0 stopped pidgin from beeping
[02:44] <Dr_willis> earl_,  :)
[02:44] <Dr_willis> theres some xset b off            or similer command also..
[02:44] <awen_> i think it is a strange new mail sound to use
[02:44] <earl_> again though, i dont like these quick fixes, i dont like to shove stuff under the rug
[02:44] <Dr_willis> b 0 0 0 sets th tone, duration, and frequency to 0
[02:44] <Dr_willis> xset b      IS the way to set the X beep :)
[02:44] <Dr_willis> been that way for years and years.
[02:45] <earl_> for the record, nosred - if i go to THAT channels window, still no pc speaker
[02:45] <bazhang> hardy kubuntu will not be lts--perhaps the one after?
[02:45] <intelikey> bazhang perhaps.  but are you an LTS user ?
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> earl_: ah.. ok, then I believe there is a way to turn it off in systemsettings->sounds
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> *sound and multimedia
[02:46] <bazhang> intelikey: not really the issue, sorry for the offtopic
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> but we would like to know how many LTS normal users there are
[02:47] <earl_> sound and multimedia...
[02:47] <earl_> that's not there either...
[02:47] <earl_> are we on the same operating system
[02:47] <earl_> lol
[02:47] <intelikey> nosrednaekim i'll violenteer to count as seventeen of them
[02:47] <earl_> did i accidentally log into mac os x or something
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: ok... then the follow up. would you use a non-LTS release?
[02:48] <intelikey> nosrednaekim i see no reason too.   so no.
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> earl_: "sound system"
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: ok, but if you did find a reason, would you?
[02:48] <intelikey> nosrednaekim if this LTS expires without another ubuntu LTS i'll simply switch to debian
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: well there will be a ubuntu LTS..
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> and a server LTS
[02:49] <earl_> no mention of pc speaker there either, though. =(
[02:49] <Dr_willis> i wonder how many people think.. "oh it has a LTS!, ill use that distro..."
[02:49] <intelikey> nosrednaekim i know it's planned.  things can happen.
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> earl_: try "notifications->system bell"
[02:50] <intelikey> Dr_willis i wonder how many think "oh it updates every six months, i'll use that distro"  ???
[02:50] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  vs.. oh updates every other day... ill use that one.. :)
[02:50] <intelikey> no i should have said "upgrades"  sorry.
[02:50] <Dr_willis> i imagine most of the time its 'oh this one has Wiggly windows!' Ill use that one!
[02:51] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I would like a rolling release distro (like sidux)... but i'm kinda attached to kubuntu
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> heh
[02:51] <earl_> it was unchecked, although i dont know if that's because of the xset command.
[02:51] <intelikey> Dr_willis indeed.
[02:51] <Dr_willis> Theres pros and cons to them all.
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> earl_: it could be..
[02:51] <earl_> i checked it and clicked apply, and i'm still not getting the bells.
[02:51] <earl_> so i doubt it.
[02:51] <Dr_willis> I rember with gentoo, by the time i updated my system... there was more updates...
[02:52] <earl_> oh
[02:52] <intelikey> Dr_willis actually i though  "oh it has shipit, i'll use this distro"   (dialup and pressed for cash)
[02:52] <earl_> i checked it and then raised some of the bars and there they are again
[02:52] <earl_> so i'll just leave that unchecked.
[02:52] <intelikey> Dr_willis heh i do that with ubuntu dapper   lol
[02:52] <earl_> not sure if its good that i'll be fully system bell-less, but whatever
[02:54]  * intelikey hates echo -e "\a"   (system bell)
[02:54]  * nosrednaekim wished they did shipt-it updates :D
[02:55] <intelikey> nosrednaekim careful typo that just a little differently and they will ban you for it...
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> heh...
[02:56] <t1n0m3n> I hear crickets chirping
[02:57]  * Dr_willis sends Ctrl-G's
[02:57] <t1n0m3n> I finally gave up on 64 bit....  Installing 32 bit again... heh
[02:57] <cahuez> merry christmas to all dear fellas..!
[02:57] <t1n0m3n> merry xmas
[02:57]  * Dr_willis jams to "Dogs Barking Jingle Bells.mp3"
[02:57] <cheguevara_> lol
[02:57] <cahuez> or the kats versions, hehe..
[02:58] <wmsu> hello everybody
[02:58] <t1n0m3n> hi
[02:58] <shaffy> intelikey: can you help me with my fstab?
[02:58] <cahuez> fstab..?
[02:59] <t1n0m3n> its a diet drink for your filesystem
[02:59] <Rodge> hello everybody its christmas here in the Philippines
[02:59] <cahuez> like /etc/fstab..
[02:59] <shaffy> well, i want to automount my external hardrive and this is what i have in my /etc/fstab  ------>>>  UUID=4701-C88B /0moon vfat defaults,utf8,umask=007,uid=0,auto,rw,nouser 0 1
[02:59] <shaffy> however, it doesn't seem to be working
[03:00] <cahuez> cool Rodge, here at costa rica still waiting, hehehe..
[03:00] <shaffy> i goto /0moon directory and there are no contents
[03:00] <shaffy> so the mount is not working
[03:00] <cahuez> take a look at storage devices menu shaffy..
[03:00] <Dr_willis> shaffy,  you did actually mount it with 'mount -a' or mount /0moon ?
[03:00] <cahuez> kubuntu uses to mount it on the fly..
[03:01] <Dr_willis> Im not sure that Line is correct actually
[03:01] <shaffy> Dr_willis: the only line i have in my fstab is UUID=4701-C88B /0moon vfat defaults,utf8,umask=007,uid=0,auto,rw,nouser 0 1
[03:01] <shaffy> i'm not sure about the "defaults,utf8,umask=007,uid=0,auto,rw,nouser 0 1" part
[03:02] <Dr_willis> shaffy,  Only? You should have more then 1 line in /etc/fstab
[03:02] <t1n0m3n> are you sure that UUID is the right one?  Looks a bit short to me
[03:02] <unix_infidel> what time does doctor who premiere in the UK?
[03:02] <Dr_willis> I always remove the uuid type lines. and use /dev/whatever. :)
[03:02] <shaffy> Dr_willis: sorry, i meant the only line for my external hardrive.
[03:02] <shaffy> let me check again for the UUID
[03:02] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: even when using a cifs mount?
[03:03] <Dr_willis> if the line is incorrect then sudo mount /0moon     should give an error.
[03:03] <intelikey> shaffy i would change umask=007 to dmask=007,fmask=117  and drop the nouser   other than that it looks good.
[03:03] <Dr_willis> unix_infidel,  i use the fuse tools for my samba shares.  :)
[03:03] <Dr_willis> Is there a point in having 'defaults' and Other options?
[03:03] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: lol, why?
[03:03] <intelikey> shaffy the mask assumes you only want owner(root) and group access.  denies world read/write
[03:03] <Dr_willis> unix_infidel,  i just find it easer for my ever-changing lan. :)
[03:04] <shaffy> Dr_willis: blkid provided me with /dev/sdb1: LABEL="MOON" UUID="4701-C88B" TYPE="vfat"          ; so i just removed the " " around the UUID when i put it in fstab
[03:04] <Dr_willis> thats a very short UUID.
[03:04] <shaffy> intelikey: thanks, i will try that right now
[03:04] <Dr_willis> Hmm /dev/hda1: UUID="C4CF0DF4CF0C50C" LABEL="XPBoot" TYPE="ntfs"
[03:04] <shaffy> Dr_willis: not sure what to tell you?
[03:04] <intelikey> Dr_willis short but it is vfat
[03:04] <unix_infidel> anyone here in the UK?  when does doctor who come on where you are?
[03:04] <Dr_willis> guess windows partitions dont have the same kind of UUID as ext3 ones..
[03:05] <Dr_willis>  /dev/hdd1: LABEL="public" UUID="f57f1362-abf9-4407-867b-ebd490ee67db" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
[03:05] <intelikey> s/partitions/file systems/
[03:05] <Dr_willis> Never noticed that befor.
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> thats weird.
[03:06] <shaffy> do i have to Xrestart before fstab changes take place?
[03:06] <intelikey> shaffy no.
[03:06] <intelikey> shaffy  umount it and    mount -a
[03:06] <Dr_willis> fstab is read at boot time.  any changes you make to it afterwareds you must manually take care of by unmounting  and/or mounting manually. :)
[03:07] <Dr_willis> like intelikey  said. :)
[03:07] <shaffy> hmm
[03:07] <shaffy> okay, so,
[03:07] <Dr_willis> Hmm. I dont have any UUID entries in my fstab any more. wonder where they all went. :)
[03:07] <biovore> did you eat them willis.. ?
[03:07] <Dr_willis> does 'sudo mount /0moon' give an error?
[03:08] <shaffy> Dr_willis: first, i need to unmount it right?  how do i do that?
[03:08] <Dr_willis> umount :)
[03:08] <Dr_willis> note the lack of an N...
[03:08] <Dr_willis> and no i dont know where it went. :P
[03:08] <intelikey> umount <where it's mounted/>
[03:09] <Dr_willis> if its mounted the 'mount' command will mention it.
[03:09] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: got a link to a tutorial for smb + fuse
[03:10] <intelikey> sudo umount /dev/sd??    heh if one must...
[03:11] <Dr_willis> unix_infidel,  i installed it and read their docs. :) install the pacakge.. copy the example smbfuse.conf to ~/.smb edit it,   add the user to the fuse group, run the command.
[03:11] <shaffy> intelikey and Dr_willis:   this is the situation.  my fstab reads UUID=4701-C88B /0moon vfat defaults,utf8,dmask=007,fmask=117,uid=0,auto,rw 0 1            and i performed "sudo mount /0moon"  and now it shows that my folder is locked
[03:11] <Dr_willis> shaffy,  accessit from the shell and see what it says,
[03:11] <Dr_willis> also see what 'mount' says about it.
[03:12] <Dr_willis> Your USER will see it as locked because its owned by root - is my guess.
[03:12] <shaffy> shell says permission is denied
[03:12] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: i dont see any samba docs on the fuse site
[03:13] <intelikey> shaffy then you are not in the root group
[03:13] <Dr_willis> unix_infidel,  the smbfuse docs. fuse site has links to all the filesstems/things fuse can do.
[03:13] <Dr_willis> !find smbfuse
[03:13] <Dr_willis> or is it fusesmb
[03:13] <ubotu> Package/file smbfuse does not exist in gutsy
[03:13] <Dr_willis> !find fusesmb
[03:13] <ubotu> Found: fusesmb
 shaffy the mask assumes you only want owner(root) and group access.  denies world read/write
[03:13] <Dr_willis> Half the fuse tools are FuseSOMTHING the other half are SomthingFUSE
[03:13] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:13] <Dr_willis> shaffy,  use 'sudo ls /0moon'
[03:14] <Dr_willis> unless of course you want users to access it.. then you need to use the proper fstab optiuons
[03:14] <intelikey> Dr_willis he's not in the root group.   and the mask has him locked out.
[03:14] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: it looks pretty cool for the home lan.
[03:14] <shaffy> Dr_willis: yes,i can see all the contents
[03:14] <Dr_willis> unix_infidel,  Yep.
[03:14] <unix_infidel> no messing with smb.conf every time i change a partition table.
[03:14] <Dr_willis> usr/share/man/man5/fusesmb.conf.5.gz
[03:14] <shaffy> intelikey: so do i remove the mask?
[03:15] <intelikey> shaffy if you want world read/write change the masks to dmask=000,fmask=111
[03:15] <shaffy> intelikey: thanks bro.
[03:15] <Dr_willis> shaffy,  where did you decide on all those options?  :)
[03:15] <intelikey> np.
[03:15] <Dr_willis> whats the point of the uid=0 also? wont that mess things up?
[03:15] <shaffy> Dr_willis: i don't know :)
[03:15] <unix_infidel> if only i could get behind using linux.
[03:15] <unix_infidel> on the laptop that is.
[03:15] <intelikey> Dr_willis he did run them by me/us  eariler.
[03:15] <unix_infidel> i spent 3 hours trying to configure a ubuntu-server from the ground up and i'm not even half way done.
[03:15] <Dr_willis> shaffy,  i think you went overboard on some of the options. :)
[03:16] <shaffy> heheh probably
[03:16] <shaffy> lol
[03:16] <Dr_willis> auto, is the default, uid=0 is the default i think also
[03:16] <Dr_willis> most of the time i just see umask=0002 or 0000 used.
[03:16] <intelikey> true dat.   but nothing wrong with specifing
[03:16] <maduser> has anyone here got veoh tv to work with with wne?
[03:16] <maduser> has anyone here got veoh tv to work with with wine?
[03:17] <shaffy> intelikey and Dr_willis thanks a lot!  perfect!  apprec!iate it so much guys!  have a great holiday
[03:17] <shaffy> working perfectly now
[03:17] <shaffy> :)
[03:17] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: btw, lifetime powertrain is a joke.
[03:17] <intelikey> ya bez welcome, sho nuf
[03:17] <unix_infidel> no one goes up to a dealer and says my powertrain is broken :-P
[03:17] <Dr_willis> unix_infidel,   most warrenties are a joke.
[03:18] <ubuntu> hi every bopdy
[03:18] <unix_infidel> i thought this one was particularly funny :-)
[03:18] <Dr_willis> its 'insurance'  not proof of a better product.
[03:18] <t1n0m3n> why does adept give "There was an error commiting changes" on the first update on a fresh install?
[03:18] <t1n0m3n> I know how to fix it... just curious on what causes it
[03:18] <ubuntu> I need a help regarding Kubuntu Installation
[03:18] <maduser> what?
[03:18] <maduser> t1n0m3n thats a command in the terminal
[03:19] <maduser> somthing like sudo dkpg -reconfigure -a
[03:19] <maduser> thats no it
[03:19] <intelikey> drop the re
[03:19] <maduser> I almost had it
[03:19] <intelikey> s/re/-/
[03:19] <maduser>  sudo dkpg -configure -a
[03:20]  * intelikey shakes head.
[03:20] <intelikey> sudo dkpg --configure -a
[03:20] <maduser> I was close
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> on the CLI... close never counts
[03:20] <t1n0m3n> yeah, I already fixed it, but I was wondering why it happens
[03:20] <maduser> nothing would have happened if he typed it it
[03:21] <t1n0m3n> maybe a package update to dpkg or apt-get?
[03:21] <maduser> a syntax error
[03:21] <Gidean> My desktop has an AMD64 cpu with intefrated graphics (the dreaded sis 760).  It's giving me hell; freezes the computer constantly.  Is it possible to add a cheap nvidia card to solve this problem, anyone?
[03:21] <intelikey> maduser yeah dpkg would have errored out.   and i don't know what all the -c -o -f -i -g -u -r -e -a   options might have attempted to do.
[03:22] <Dr_willis> Gidean,  open up the case.. see what slots ya got free
[03:22] <intelikey> heh not likely.
[03:23] <Dr_willis> Gidean,  Hopefully you got an AGP or PCIe slot open.
[03:23] <t1n0m3n> the chipset has agp 8x or so says google
[03:23] <Gidean> gonna crak open the case to check for open pci slots...
[03:23] <Gidean> brb
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> you can still get PCI nvidia cards
[03:23] <Dr_willis> Hope it has an AGP slot.. not pci. :)
[03:23] <unix_infidel> hope it has a pci-e not agp
[03:23] <intelikey> pci vidio   yuch.
[03:24] <Dr_willis> isa video!
[03:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:24] <intelikey> Dr_willis heh   yeah
[03:24] <t1n0m3n> hehe
[03:24] <unix_infidel> i dont remember seeing any isa video cards.
[03:24] <intelikey> unix_infidel pup.
[03:24] <unix_infidel> most of them were just either integrated or pci.
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> a sis isn't going to have pci-e
[03:25] <t1n0m3n> http://www.sis.com/products/sis760.htm
[03:25] <intelikey> unix_infidel you probably don't remember when "pci" didn't exist.
[03:25] <Dr_willis> I rember when Keyboards dident have 'windows keys'
[03:25] <Dr_willis> and a 3 button mouse dident have a wheel.. and 3 buttons was rare.
[03:26] <unix_infidel> intelikey: i remember the apple II :-P
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> I have a keyboard without one! :D its one to a gPC
[03:26] <intelikey> Dr_willis and kbd was 83 keys
[03:26]  * awen_ looks at his laptop keyboard
[03:26] <unix_infidel> intelikey: i've just never seen an ISA video card.
[03:26] <t1n0m3n> VLB!
[03:26] <Dr_willis> and a ps2 conecector was the size of a quarter.
[03:26] <intelikey> that wasn't ps2 that was at
[03:26] <biovore> I have an ISA video card in a box behind me :-P
[03:26] <Dr_willis> back when CPU cooling fans were not needed
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> and it wasn't called ps2
[03:26] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: I remember when cases had boxes with a cpu "turbo boost" button on there.
[03:26] <biovore> AT Keyboard?
[03:27] <awen_> night everyone
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> haha
[03:27] <Dr_willis> unix_infidel,  and red #'s on the front showing the speed.. in 2 didgets.
[03:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> night awen_
[03:27] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: night rider style!
[03:27] <intelikey> biovore i still have one or two also.   i have a pair of tandy 1000xt 's   that still work sell.
[03:27] <unix_infidel> knight*
[03:27] <unix_infidel> w00t
[03:27] <intelikey> swell
[03:27] <Dr_willis> flip the 66 over.. you had a 99 speed machine! :)
[03:27] <awen_> Dr_willis: it was 16 and 25 was turbo :P
[03:27] <t1n0m3n> Or hacking the pins on the display to show whatever you wanted
[03:28] <unix_infidel> i think the first cpu in the range of 66-99 was the 75mhz pentium
[03:28] <shaffy> Dr_willis or intelikey :  when i unplug the drive, and the plug it back in, it doesn't seem to automount?  any answers?
[03:28] <intelikey> heh my tandy's are 8mhz 80286's
[03:28] <Dr_willis> shaffy,  you just bypassed the automounting by putting an entry in the fstab.
[03:29] <Dr_willis> shaffy,  if you want automounting. then you dont want to mess with the fstab.
[03:29] <Dr_willis> Unless you want a user to manually mount/unmount the device
[03:29] <intelikey> shaffy yes fstab wont do that.  you can issue mount -a to mount it.
[03:29] <shaffy> hmm
[03:30] <Dr_willis> Unpluggin the drive while its mounted it.. not a good idea. :)
[03:30] <shaffy> you mean "sudo mount -a /0moon"  for example
[03:30] <intelikey> Dr_willis his origenal concern was getting it to mount at the same point each time  iirc
[03:30] <Dr_willis> mount -a = automounts all automountable entrys in fstab
[03:30] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  Hmm.. My external drives seem to do that.  based on their Label.
[03:30] <Dr_willis> magical? :)
[03:31] <shaffy> gah, so confusing.  so there is no way i can get the drive to always mount when unplugging/plugging in?
[03:31] <shaffy> *always=auto
[03:31] <intelikey> shaffy no just "sudo mount -a"
[03:31] <shaffy> without my manually doing it
[03:31] <shaffy> okay.
[03:31] <shaffy> thanks.
[03:31] <shaffy> :)
[03:31] <Dr_willis> shaffy,  Hmm..  Mine do that.. i think. heh heh...
[03:32] <shaffy> see.. that's what i mean.. cause i'm pretty sure, in my previous install, i had it working where it would auto detect each time
[03:32] <t1n0m3n> My USB HD automounts without any config on my part
[03:32] <shaffy> and mount to the same area
[03:32] <Gidean> Good news:  I've got a PCI slot open.  Would the new card interfere with the integrated graphics contoller?
[03:32] <intelikey> well his exact wording was more along the line of "how can i get the drive to be the same device each time i unplug and replug it?"   but that may not be an exact quote.    i could check my log file.
[03:33] <shaffy> intelikey: that's exactly what i'm trying to say.  thank you :)
[03:33] <Dr_willis> I guess my DEVICE is not the same.. but the system:/media  name is the same
 can someone tell me how to keep the same device name for my external hd every time i plug it in?  for example, sometimes it is sdb1, sdc1 or sdd1.  i need to keep it as one name so i know which device name to mount in ftsab.  thanks for any help.
[03:34] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. somthing seems wrong with that question.. :)
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> Gidean: it may.. but you can disable it in the BIOS
[03:34] <t1n0m3n> have you tried "LABEL=" instead of UUID?
[03:34] <shaffy> no, see my original problem was that the device name kept changing
[03:35] <shaffy> so i was then told to use the UUID
[03:35] <shaffy> which i am using now
[03:35] <Dr_willis> The fstab stuff will still NOT keep the device name the same..  it will make the mount point based on UUID the same.
[03:35] <Dr_willis> the actual device can still differ.
[03:35] <Dr_willis> Or am i confused here.
[03:35] <shaffy> after you guys helped me to modify my fstab line, it mount properly.  i just need it to automount every time i unplug/plug it in
[03:35] <intelikey> Dr_willis it will in the device by UUID section    no ?
[03:36] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  Not sure..  lets see... My extrnal usb hard drive. can be sda, or sdb, or sdc or whatever.. it always appears under kde as system:/media/NDASDISK since thats the disk's filesystem label.
[03:37] <Dr_willis> the actual /media/whatever is /media/sda1  (right now)
[03:37] <intelikey> check   /dev/disks/by-id/
[03:37] <Dr_willis> Actually wait a sec.. its NOT,, its   /media/NDASDISK right now..
[03:37] <Gidean> norednaekim: the bios says, Primary Video Adapter [PCI]. when I hit enter it gives me the choice of switching between PCI and AGP/Onboard.  If this thing doesn't have a video adapter how can it be set to PCI as default?
[03:37] <Dr_willis> So the device name is unimporntant to me. :)
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> Gidean: well, thats iff you put a PCI in.
[03:38] <intelikey> sorry  no s   /dev/disk/by-id/
[03:38] <Dr_willis> this is a ext3 filesystem on the disk.. wonder if that matters.
[03:38] <intelikey> nope.
[03:38] <Gidean> I see, I see. So in theory, when I install the new card, it will use it before the AGP?
[03:39] <shaffy> anyway guys, i'll just have to mount -a everytime
[03:39] <shaffy> thanks :)
[03:39] <intelikey> bios determines what card gets the boot time display   and then xorg.conf takes over when x starts
[03:39] <intelikey> shaffy welcome
[03:40] <dorkface> HI all.  Where can I change the start up sound?  I've tried looking through "System Settings" but I can't seem to find anything.
[03:40] <intelikey> shaffy you can make a launcher to umount /mountpoint and mount -a   for the desktop   they are handy that way.
[03:40] <maduser> its in the system settings
[03:40] <maduser> under notifications
[03:41] <dorkface> oh, hehe
[03:41] <dorkface> Thanks :)
[03:41] <Gidean> Thanks much for the help...
[03:41] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. My little fat32 usb drive gets mounted to --> /media/disk  but im not sure where its getting that 'disk' name from.
[03:41] <Gidean> enjoy your day...
[03:41] <Gidean> quit
[03:41] <Gidean> er...
[03:41] <t1n0m3n> lol
[03:41] <intelikey> quit
[03:41] <intelikey> exit
[03:41] <intelikey> leave
[03:41] <Dr_willis> its called 40G Media in system:/media/
[03:41] <intelikey> part
[03:42] <intelikey> :)
[03:42] <Dr_willis> shaffy,  next time ya have that drive on a windows system. See what its disk label is.. Change it to somthing MeaningFull like "PornDisk" or similer. :)
[03:43] <intelikey> sexdisk ?
[03:43] <Dr_willis> shaffy,  it may start mounting to /media/WhateverYouLabledIt
[03:44] <intelikey> doesn't dosfstools have something to change it ?
[03:44] <shaffy> Dr_willis: lol.. thanks.  i will do that.  but can't i rename the drive in linux?
[03:44] <intelikey> that's what i just said
[03:44] <shaffy> lol cool
[03:44] <shaffy> dosfstools
[03:46] <Dr_willis> shaffy,  proberly can.. but never tried :)
[03:46] <shaffy> hehe cool
[03:46] <shaffy> peace all.  have a great night.  :)
[03:46] <shaffy> don't forget to watch santa on norad
[03:46] <Dr_willis> I recall a lot of windows disks never getting labels ...
[03:46] <shaffy> http://www.noradsanta.org/en/home.htm
[03:46] <shaffy> hehe
[03:46] <shaffy> he's in Detroit, Michigan, United States
[03:46] <shaffy> right now
[03:46] <shaffy> fucker is on the move
[03:47] <maduser> near me
[03:47] <intelikey> Dr_willis i used to purposly not set a lable,  made it easy to fdisk the thing
[03:47] <intelikey> !language | shaffy
[03:47] <ubotu> shaffy: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:48] <shaffy> sorry
[03:48] <shaffy> :)
[03:48] <maduser> family?
[03:49] <shaffy> btw, can someone tell me how to do a scandisk of my vfat external hd?
[03:49] <Dr_willis> My wife often looks over my shoulder...
[03:49] <Dr_willis> ;)
[03:49] <maduser> he
[03:49] <maduser> hehe
[03:49] <shaffy> hehe\\
[03:49]  * nosrednaekim is younger...
[03:49] <maduser> your married?
[03:49] <Dr_willis> fsck.vfat /dev/whatever
[03:49] <maduser> I bet i am the youngest
[03:49] <Dr_willis> I think.. :)
[03:49]  * Dr_willis has Pc's older then madar 
[03:49] <Dr_willis> oops
[03:49]  * Dr_willis has Pc's older then maduser 
[03:50] <maduser> how old is that?
[03:50]  * Dr_willis wishes nick completion would put who talked last.. first  in the list.
[03:50] <Dr_willis> I got a Timex Sinclare 1000 hanging on the wall.. and a Vic-20 :)
[03:50] <Dr_willis> I forget how old they are.. Im too old.
[03:50] <maduser> thats how old?
[03:51]  * Dr_willis is almost the big 40
[03:51] <Dr_willis> So Get off my Lawn!
[03:51] <Dr_willis> :P
[03:51] <maduser> hehe
[03:51] <Dr_willis> and Pull Your Pants up!
[03:52] <maduser> I'm in the group who would tp your house
[03:52] <Dr_willis> Dont make me get my gun ya Young Wipper Snappers!
[03:52] <Dr_willis> :P
[03:52] <maduser> what kind?
[03:52] <Dr_willis> Kids these days - No respect for their elders
[03:53] <Dr_willis> Give me my seinor discout!
[03:53] <maduser> respect
[03:53] <maduser> yeah you are old
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I know... sheees
[03:54] <franco> hello
[03:54] <franco> how are you?
[03:54] <crimsun> I'm both 3 and 83.  Beat that, suckers!
[03:54] <t1n0m3n> My system beeps when I hold down shift for a while... is that an accessibility feature?
[03:54] <maduser> 15
[03:54] <f00f_> 21
[03:54] <Dr_willis> Hike!
[03:54] <maduser> yeah
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> half way between those two..
[03:54]  * Dr_willis is old enough to know better, and too old to care.
[03:54] <Dr_willis> :P
[03:55] <Dr_willis> Working on my Grouchy old man routine now..
[03:55] <maduser> oh?
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> yeah... he has to be santa in about two hours..
[03:55]  * Dr_willis demands a Senior Coffee, then complains that its too hot!
[03:56] <maduser> I'm not a coffee drinker
[03:56] <maduser> I don't need it to get up
[03:56] <maduser> :)
[03:56] <t1n0m3n> ima beer drinker
[03:57] <maduser> still got 6 years for that
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> maduser: you're still young... other..things replace coffee at your age.
[04:00] <t1n0m3n> OK... I did libdvdcss and w32codecs....  can anyone think of other restricteds I need?  Or a link?
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> t1n0m3n: avi/divx codecs....
[04:01] <maduser> thoes come MPlayer
[04:01] <maduser> or vlc
[04:01] <t1n0m3n> oh yeah, thx nosrednaekim
[04:01] <intelikey> joogle hates me.    or is there just not any information on changing a vfat disk lable (file system lable) from within linux ?
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> joogle.... no wonder it hates you...
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> can't even spel its exalted name right...
[04:02] <intelikey> feeling is mutual ?
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[04:03] <intelikey> exalted  :)
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> ok.. its late.... night everyone..
[04:03] <intelikey> later nosrednaekim
[04:04] <t1n0m3n> tune2fs -L LABEL /dev/sdablahblah
[04:05] <intelikey> t1n0m3n works on vfat ?      /me goes to see
[04:05] <t1n0m3n> doesnt say
[04:06] <t1n0m3n> or
[04:06] <t1n0m3n> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/03/01/editing-fat32-partition-labels-using-mtools/
[04:06] <intelikey> says  it's for ext# in the short description
[04:06] <t1n0m3n> yep I see that in the man page now
[04:08] <t1n0m3n> for the lazy on that link above:
[04:08] <t1n0m3n> sudo mlabel i:my-ipod
[04:08] <t1n0m3n> do this 1st: sudo apt-get install mtools
[04:08] <intelikey> t1n0m3n does nothing for the actual disk lable tho
[04:09] <intelikey> it's all pysudo
[04:24] <mrtimbo> hi
[04:24] <mrtimbo> how do i get this autologin to work
[04:24] <mrtimbo> ?
[04:26] <mrtimbo> #ubuntu
[04:27] <intelikey> in kdm ?
[04:27] <mrtimbo> konversation
[04:27] <intelikey> oh.   idk.
[04:27] <se7en_> systme settings--> advanced--> login manager-->convenience mrtimbo
[04:27] <se7en_> ok konversation ...
[04:27] <intelikey> se7en_ heh..
[04:34] <mrtimbo> nice i got it now
[04:41] <iqag> Hello people. Can one set a keyboard shortcut to move in and out of the embeded terminal in Konqueror, Kate, etc?
[04:46] <mrtimbo> idk
[05:03] <maduser> hello?\
[05:04] <maduser> its christmas!
[05:05] <se7en_> !bot
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[05:08] <snarkster> im trying to use a Zen Stone with Amarok anyone got any clues as to how to do that?
[05:13] <Hawai`i> question...
[05:14] <Hawai`i> someone bought me a GeekSquad UPS..
[05:14] <Hawai`i> anyone had any experience with em?>
[05:14] <Hawai`i> w/kubuntu... I am run Gutsy Gibbon..
[05:24] <david__> is there a gui for ndiswrapper or do you have to do everything on the command line?
[05:26] <david__> ?
[05:27] <intelikey> reset
[05:30] <flaccid> hmm i dislike when dhclient fails for no reason
[05:31] <Hawai`i> 250+ users here.. and all questions get is, 'hmm... i dislike when dhclient fails for no reason?'
[05:31] <Hawai`i> nice..
[05:31] <Hawai`i> ;:)
[05:31] <neville> -_-v
[05:32] <flaccid> well its xmas day here
[05:34] <se7en_> it's even xmas in asia :)
[05:34] <flaccid> dang. but is it xmas in the US yet
[05:34] <mrtimbo_> hi
[05:35] <flaccid> hi
[05:38] <mrtimbo_> guys on freenode are not the nicest are they
[05:38] <sparr> [how] can i make df not show --bind mounts (which are redundant)?
[05:38] <Dr_willis> never noticved that many rude ones...
[05:38] <Dr_willis> sparr,  let me see...
[05:39] <Dr_willis> sparr,  my 'alias' for the 'ShowDisks' command is    df -h -x tmpfs -x devpts -x usbfs
[05:39] <flaccid> sparr maybe --local
[05:39] <flaccid> see man df
[05:39] <Dr_willis> if you have redundant mount points.. Hmm. yea df has a lot of options..
[05:40] <Dr_willis> i dont have any reduntand mount points. Why do you have redundant ones?
[05:40] <sparr> Dr_willis: yours still shows binds
[05:40] <sparr> flaccid: tried man, nothing helpful  :(  was hoping for undocumented features
[05:40] <sparr> i have redundant ones to help with organization
[05:40] <Dr_willis> what the heck is a bind?
[05:40] <Dr_willis> why not use links?
[05:40] <sparr> because links don't work correctly with relative directories that go up
[05:40] <flaccid> sometimes you need to bind mount hard
[05:41] <flaccid> yeah
[05:41] <Dr_willis> cat say that ive ever stumbled upon that issue then.
[05:41] <flaccid> um i guess you will have to filter it after via piping
[05:41] <sparr> ive got foo/bar->/baz/bar and foo/blah->/something/blah
[05:42] <sparr> when im in foo/bar, and i copy something to .. or ../blah, i want them to go into the obvious places.  cant do that with links
[05:43] <Dr_willis> Im just in the habbit of using the full path too much i guess. :)
[05:44] <sparr> my paths are WAY too long to do that
[05:44] <sparr> well, for doing that to be non-tedious
[05:44] <sparr> the drives/directories in question are my file storages
[05:44] <Dr_willis> actually.. i seem to recall a bash feature that can set up some sort of path alias's
[05:44] <sparr> the guys in #bash told me i was SOL
[05:44] <Dr_willis> that might of only been for the cd command.
[05:45] <sparr> so i use mount --bind
[05:45] <sparr> screws up my df output, but it works otherwise
[05:45] <Dr_willis> i wonder if theres some FUSE tool that can get around all this. :)
[05:46] <flaccid> but its not really screwing df. its just aesthetic
[05:47] <sparr> when my real df output scrolls off the top of the screen, its a problem :)
[05:47] <flaccid> oh ok i get ya lol
[05:48] <Dr_willis> Thats a lot-o-disks :)
[05:49] <sparr> not discs
[05:49] <sparr> just directories
[05:49] <sparr> i dont have just whole drives mounted
[05:49] <flaccid> filter em out explicitly with the relevant commands
[05:55] <intelikey> sparr can't do that with links ???   add trailling / ?
[05:56] <sparr> intelikey: no, read above for link problem
[05:56] <sparr> i have /foo/bar->/baz/blah and my CWD is /foo/bar.  i copy something to .. and expect it to end up in /foo, but it ends up in /baz instead.  not helpful.
[05:57] <intelikey> sparr yeah i read,    didn't see what you were saying really.   easy answer use mc
[05:58] <Dr_willis> I alwyas get links backwards... :)
[05:58] <sparr> i never got much into console file managers...  tried a clone of the thing mc is based on ages ago
[05:58] <sparr> be interesting if this works in mc
[05:59] <flaccid> what you reckon is best console/shell file manager, sparr?
[05:59] <intelikey> it does. i do it all the time.
[05:59] <Dr_willis> I use mc all the time.
[05:59] <Dr_willis> not sure what using mc has to do with it.. but it is 1 am and im tired. :)
[05:59] <sparr> flaccid: i dont know, i dont use them
[06:00] <intelikey> Dr_willis i don't know exactly why mc handles the links differently  but it does.
[06:00] <flaccid> ok then sorry i misread
[06:00] <mrtimbo> bah
[06:00] <mrtimbo> got it finally
[06:00] <Dr_willis> I think mc has a LOT of settings ive never gtwiddled with . :)
[06:01] <intelikey> indeed
[06:01] <intelikey> me too
[06:01] <intelikey> and several i have.
[06:01] <Dr_willis> I do need to find out how to set the default copy/move options that are checked..
[06:01] <Dante123> I'm trying to install the program creox (real time guitar effects program) and I have given up doing this on puppy linux....I'm doing this on a PIII running at 450 mhz....I need KDE...is there a light distro somewhere that features KDE
[06:02] <Dr_willis> I need to Uncheck the [x] Perserve Atributes   - which is on by default.. in some cases..
[06:02] <flaccid> whats the actual problem, Dante123
[06:02] <Dr_willis> it really can confuse things when copying to vfat filesystems
[06:02] <intelikey> Dante123 light and kde don't belong in the same sentance really
[06:03] <Dante123> Well, getting it to work under puppy was a problem when I came to the KDE headers etc.
[06:03] <flaccid> !find creox
[06:03] <ubotu> Found: creox
[06:03] <flaccid> !info creox
[06:03] <ubotu> creox: real-time guitar effects. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.2rc2-3ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 285 kB, installed size 792 kB
[06:03] <intelikey> Dr_willis you get those error messages and have to confirm.
[06:03] <flaccid> install the package creox by your favourite package manager like adept :)
[06:04] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  yep. the thing trys to chown/chomode on the vfat filesystem.. and it cant. :)
[06:04] <Dante123> I guess I am asking for is the lightest distro that will be able to handle creox and necessary components of which kde is one
[06:04] <intelikey> Dr_willis i fixed that.   heh but i don't remember how.
[06:05] <mrtimbo> * hands nalioth a beer
[06:05] <flaccid> Dante123: this is the kubuntu support channel, not distrowatch. creox is in the universe repos and can be installed if you would like. why not install and test the performance?
[06:05] <unix_infidel> anyone here using an IBM port replicator with Ubuntu?
[06:05] <Dante123> I ran xubuntu on this machine...but it ran much slower than puppy linux...and I even tried TinyMe (based on pclinuxOS) but it chokes on wifi whereas at least puppy linux had that working.
[06:05] <nalioth> mrtimbo: the bar is in #kubuntu-offtopic  :)
[06:05] <intelikey> it preserves ownership and perms but doesn't error out on vfat anymore.   so i know you can set that,  just did it so long ago
[06:05] <Lynoure> Dante123: Debian is easy to install light. More manual work, though. :)
[06:05] <mrtimbo> ok
[06:05] <flaccid> Dante123: with the spec you mentioned, it should run fine on kubuntu.
[06:05] <Dr_willis> !find creox
[06:05] <ubotu> Found: creox
[06:06] <Dante123> I guess what I was looking for was a derivative of Kubuntu...maybe something lighter...
[06:06] <Dr_willis> creox seems to be in the repos...
[06:06] <Dr_willis> !info creox
[06:06] <ubotu> creox: real-time guitar effects. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.2rc2-3ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 285 kB, installed size 792 kB
[06:06] <flaccid> Dante123: why lighter, is there an actual problem?
[06:06] <flaccid> Dr_willis: already did that :)
[06:06] <Dr_willis> So.. whats the problem? i missed somthing.
[06:06] <unix_infidel> Lynoure: you can do the same with Ubuntu
[06:06] <flaccid> yeah there isn't a problem as far as i can see
[06:06] <unix_infidel> i did an ubuntu-server install and i've spent over 3 hours configuring.
[06:06] <Dante123> yeah, kubuntu (even xubuntu) seem to run much slower than other distros on this hardware.
[06:06] <unix_infidel> and i'm not even half done.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> How can you even benchmark/prove that?   if you can prove it/ find where its slow.. file a bug please. :)
[06:07] <flaccid> Dante123: thats always going to be the case. pc-bsd will run kde faster than all of them... but yeah. this is the kubuntu support channel here.... goto off-topic
[06:07] <Lynoure> unix_infidel: yes, but then you have exotic setup that gets less support here. Just my opinion.
[06:07] <flaccid> Dr_willis: i agree really. if it works, it works
[06:08] <unix_infidel> Lynoure: i get support just fine.
[06:08] <Dante123> I can give examples.  Like when running Audacity in Xubuntu vs.  Puppy Linux.  The xubuntu will freeze for a second and mess up the recording.
[06:08] <Lynoure> unix_infidel: dude, you _are_ the support =)
[06:08] <flaccid> Dante123: and how do you prove the problem is the operating system. do you have a proof of concept?
[06:08] <unix_infidel> Lynoure: LOL, I havent had a *nix desktop in over 2 years.
[06:08] <Dante123> okay.  Just thought you could point me to a derivative that was smaller.
[06:09] <flaccid> Dante123: you dont even know where the problem lies, so thats unlikely to fix the problem.
[06:09] <intelikey> Lynoure depends.   personally i don't like to support default setups
[06:09] <Dr_willis> that sounds like a hdparm/dma issue to me..  Of course Puppy is using a different kernel.  i thought it was still using 2.4, they may be using 2.6 now.
[06:09] <flaccid> in your example Dante123, the problem could be audacity..
[06:09] <Dante123> I can't prove jack shit.  I'm just telling you gut feeling and observation....ubuntu and its offspring run slow on this machine.  But I will leave your channel.  Merry Christmas
[06:10] <mrtimbo> watch your language
[06:10] <flaccid> Dante123: use somethine else then. thats your choice
[06:10] <Dr_willis> 2.6.21.7  is used by puppy.. interesting.
[06:10] <intelikey> Dante123 too many daemons running
[06:10] <flaccid> unfounded claims are stupid
[06:10] <flaccid> there are thousands upon thousands of variables to consider here
[06:11] <Dr_willis> actually for best 'audio recording' wouldent one want a 'real time kernel' ?
[06:11] <intelikey> yep.   however i do tend to agree a default installation is slugish on a < 500mhz box
[06:11] <Lynoure> I think it's ok to say what something seems or feels like without having numbers/specs yet. But this is not the best channel to get recommendations for other distroes.
[06:11] <flaccid> Dr_willis: one would buy a new computer, not use a pentium III :)
[06:12] <flaccid> intelikey: agreed there too
[06:12] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  never noticed that comment. :) heh heh
[06:12] <mrtimbo> lol
[06:12] <Lynoure> flaccid: not an option for everybody.
[06:12] <flaccid> hehehe
[06:12] <flaccid> Lynoure: thats irrelevant. hardware is physical limitation, yes
[06:13] <flaccid> and yeah i've tried audio on ubuntu, dante123 was right and so is intelikey. pentium 500mhz~ is sluggish with ubuntu. other distros its faster, but kubuntu is heavy, but that comes down to trade-off of features anyway
[06:13] <Lynoure> flaccid: it's totally not irrelevant for the people to who money is a physical limitation, but everyone of course gets to choose how much they want to support people on really old hw
[06:14] <intelikey> flaccid  i know.     tweeked propperly a p1 100mhz feels fast
[06:14] <flaccid> well not really, i for one support any hardware, but if it goes slow, you either change operating system and try something else or change hardware. we just support kubuntu here...
[06:14] <intelikey> iv'e done it.
[06:14] <flaccid> intelikey: yeah but in those situations i go freebsd :p
[06:14] <Dr_willis> CP/M !
[06:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:15] <flaccid> my ubuntu server is a p2 300mhz and suprisingly when it had a desktop it went well
[06:15] <Dr_willis> PuppyLinux is actually sort of amazing how well it works. :)
[06:15] <flaccid> i uses to use DamnSmallLinus instead
[06:15] <Dr_willis> I had Ubuntu on a Pent 1 100 laptop.  the install took like 2+ hrs..
[06:15] <Dr_willis> but it ran. :)
[06:15] <intelikey> flaccid nothing suprising about that to me.
[06:15] <flaccid> hehe
[06:16] <mrtimbo> pentium 1? dang
[06:16] <flaccid> true, i don't regard ubuntu as a server os at all but, i just have it for testing
[06:16] <Dr_willis> Yep. it was a sad sad old laptop.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:16] <intelikey> yeah,   are lappies really slower, or is it just me ?
[06:16] <Dr_willis> it even had a floppy disk.
[06:16] <mrtimbo> my laptop is way slower than my desktop but runs kubuntu just fine
[06:16] <flaccid> intelikey: um they can be slow and i reckon video driver makes a big difference, but 256mb laptops dont go that well as 512mb or 1gb
[06:17] <flaccid> like if you do debian + kde , its so faster than kubuntu, and that kind of worries me a little bit
[06:18] <intelikey> heh  did i mention the specs on that p1 box ?     p1 mmx 100mhz 64m ram 1g hdd  running ubuntu dapper with kde     not default of course.
[06:18] <Lynoure> flaccid: that's why I recommended it above...
[06:18] <flaccid> Lynoure: recommended what sorry.. debian?
[06:18] <Lynoure> flaccid: yes, to the Dante guy.
[06:19] <Lynoure> Shocking, huh :)
[06:19] <flaccid> yeah true. nah i agree debian is far more stable you just miss out on features.
[06:20] <intelikey> we often sujest other distros and even other os's   depends on what they specify they need/want
[06:20] <effie_jayx> flaccid: unless you run testing
[06:20] <sparr> question regarding apt, preferences, policy, pinning, etc.  http://rafb.net/p/XgNDbx80.nln.html help is appreciated
[06:20] <flaccid> effie_jayx: what does that mean
[06:21] <effie_jayx> flaccid: debian testing is rather stable... and offers recent packages...
[06:21] <flaccid> ah yeah i forgot about that branch, hmm true. are they doing xorg 7 and compiz fusion in testing?
[06:21] <effie_jayx> flaccid: still got beryl
[06:21] <flaccid> oh dang
[06:22] <intelikey> sparr hmmmm
[06:23] <sparr> intelikey: yeah, thats about how far i got too  :)
[06:24] <intelikey> latest version number is always slected ?
[06:24] <intelikey> i'm guessing.
[06:27] <intelikey> sparr i'm going to say if they were the same version then the pin would dominate the choice,  but being a version differance that takes presidence
[06:27] <sparr> i know thats wrong, ive seen working pin configurations for NOT pulling packages from ubuntu+1 or debian unstable
[06:28] <intelikey> then not enough gap ?
[06:28] <intelikey> 995 996
[06:29] <Thingus> Hrm... I'm having issues with a 3Com wired ethernet card on my laptop.
[06:30] <flaccid> thats no good
[06:30] <Thingus> It's a CLI install from the Xubuntu Fiesty Alternate CD.
[06:30] <flaccid> what are the issues
[06:31] <pastor> hola a todos
[06:31] <intelikey> !es
[06:31] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[06:31] <pastor> !es
[06:32] <Thingus> flaccid: For one, slow boot times, another is that the device won't connect to my router.
[06:33] <flaccid> why won't it connect and connect in what sense?
[06:33] <Thingus> It also likes to spew some seemingly random errors to my tty.
[06:33] <flaccid> what are those errors
[06:34] <Thingus> flaccid: Great walls of text that I can't readily paste... One moment.
[06:34] <flaccid> ok
[06:34] <flaccid> need errors to help
[06:36] <intelikey> give grapheti
[06:36] <Thingus> flaccid: The outstanding part seems to be "eth0: transit timed out" accompanied by a large portion of some sort of log.
[06:36] <inteliwasp> how do i undo a symbolic link?
[06:36] <intelikey> inteliwasp rm it
[06:36] <Thingus> I had this problem before, and I can't exactly remember the fix...
[06:37] <Thingus> It invovled adding an option to my menu.list.
[06:37] <Thingus> irq-something...
[06:37] <flaccid> are you using dhcp on the lan?
[06:37] <Thingus> flaccid: Yes
[06:37] <Thingus> I think it's an issue with the card...
[06:38] <intelikey> Thingus so you had to specify an irq to some device that is conflicting with that card ?
[06:38] <flaccid> ok so the card comes up as eth0 in ifconfig -a ?
[06:38] <inteliwasp> is there a special way to link directories?
[06:38] <Thingus> intelikey: No, it was a boot option... "irqdump" or "irqscan" or something...
[06:38] <Thingus> flaccid: Yes.
[06:39] <intelikey> inteliwasp   ln -s dir linkname
[06:39] <flaccid> ok what does sudo dhclient eth0 return ?
[06:39] <flaccid> (might wanna kill all dhclient first)
[06:39] <inteliwasp> intelikey: is that dir the destination?
[06:39] <intelikey> yep
[06:39] <Thingus> flaccid: One moment, rebooting it...
[06:40] <flaccid> Thingus: also pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces please
[06:40] <Thingus> flaccid: Right.
[06:40] <earl_> i'm having major problems with ALSA. i'm not even sure where to start, so i'm just going to issue a general SOS.
[06:40] <earl_> it just... doesn't work.
[06:40] <flaccid> !sound | earl_
[06:40] <ubotu> earl_: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:41] <flaccid> thats about all we can offer without specifics, and im not that great at linux sound, not that many people are. intelikey i guess we need a process to check alsa/sound and restore
[06:41] <fignew> earl_: is the volume up/unmuted?
[06:41] <Thingus> This takes abnormally long to boot... ><
[06:41] <flaccid> earl_: have you tried aplay /path/to/sample.wav
[06:42] <Thingus> It's hitches at *Preparing restricted drivers
[06:42] <flaccid> Thingus: so thats probably a video issue
[06:42] <Thingus> No, not using an accelerated driver.
[06:43] <flaccid> earl_: you can try something like aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav
[06:43] <flaccid> which driver are you using for Xorg, Thingus?
[06:43] <Thingus> flaccid: neomagic
[06:43] <intelikey> inteliwasp the path in the link can be either reletive or absolute    i.e.   ln -s .. ~/home      or   ln -s /home ~/home     both will work the same     assuming you live in /home/something   as is default   and i don't.
[06:43] <flaccid> thats the video driver? does X start ?
[06:43] <Thingus> I had a Xubuntu install working fine on this hardware before, but the harddrive failed.
[06:44] <Thingus> flaccid: Well, it's a CLI system, at the moment. I want to install fluxbox once I get networking up.
[06:44] <earl_> oh sorry about that. i was following that wiki article i was linked to.
[06:44] <earl_> no my volume is not muted. OSS works,
[06:44] <flaccid> Thingus: ok then goto a tty, login and check ifconfig to see if dhcp worked, failing that provide /etc/network/interfaces and try sudo dhclient eth0 to do it manual and see problem
[06:45] <flaccid> earl_: how about the command i suggested, does it play
[06:45] <inteliwasp> intelikey: ya i just need a link so i can make a quick shared folder to backup my laptop
[06:45] <earl_> ALSA should work, it has worked better than OSS on every release i've fed this laptop up until now
[06:46] <earl_> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[06:46] <flaccid> earl_: i don't know that specific error, try googling
[06:46] <flaccid> sound buffs feel free to help earl_
[06:46] <Thingus> flaccid: Okay... So I insert my flash drive and it spams me with errors about usb devices. ><
[06:46] <intelikey> inteliwasp one note on that.   the symbolic link will have permission 777 but that will not give you write permission  you have to have permission on the actual dir      just incase you over looked that.
[06:47] <flaccid> Thingus: so?
[06:47] <inteliwasp> intelikey: the final dir has full perms for me alone
[06:47] <earl_> i'll give google a shot
[06:47] <Thingus> flaccid: So, I have no idea how I
[06:48] <flaccid> Thingus: please do the two things i asked yeah ?
[06:48] <Thingus> am going to pastebin my config files.
[06:48] <flaccid> Thingus: oh you will probably have to re type
[06:48] <intelikey> k just pointing out that the links perms is irrelivent
[06:49] <intelikey> heh first time i played with symlinks that pitched me for a loop...
[06:49] <flaccid> same
[06:49] <earl_> so flaccid;
[06:49] <earl_> google comes up with a launchpad entry
[06:49] <earl_> they say to update the alsa-driver
[06:49] <earl_> is this trivial...?
[06:49] <Thingus> God, I'm so ready to just chuck this laptop...
[06:49] <flaccid> earl_: i've never done it, does it say how, provide URI ?
[06:50] <Thingus> But, I just spent $25 on a new harddrive for it, so I have to put forward an effort.
[06:50] <flaccid> Thingus: i will help you get to the bottom of it, if you can get me what i need :)
[06:51] <intelikey> ah good i'm off in 10
[06:51] <intelikey> fellows have a great big one. and enjoy what you can of it.   i'm went
[06:51] <earl_> looks like someone near the bottom provided
[06:51] <earl_> a deb*
[06:51] <Zombocom> how do i use strigi?
[06:52] <earl_> not sure if i want to go installing random people's debs, though
[06:52] <earl_> and no one posted to say if it worked or not
[06:53] <flaccid> i guess thats up to you in this case, its not confirmed or released yet it seems but could work
[06:55] <earl_> after i install the debs i have to restart right
[06:55] <flaccid> um probably, not sure
[06:55] <flaccid> upgrade/install the deb then try the aplay command again to see if you can play without reboot
[06:57] <Thingus> Gah!
[06:58] <earl_> sigh one of the debs doesn't even dpkg right...
[06:58] <Thingus> I quit.
[06:58] <earl_> i get this message from it
[06:58] <Thingus> This &$%^% laptop is utter trash.
[06:58] <earl_> dpkg-deb: file `alsa-firmware_1.0.15-1_i386.deb' is not a debian binary archive (try dpkg-split?)
[06:58] <Thingus> I'll try poking it with a few other tools, but I have my doubts.
[06:59] <flaccid> hmm weird, is the file intact? can you open it with ark, earl_?
[06:59] <earl_> the deb?
[06:59] <flaccid> yep
[06:59] <mom_> if you know your internet is working fine but webpages have issues loading from time to time is there something you can check in linux to make sure everything is working properly?
[07:00] <earl_> i can see two files in it
[07:00] <earl_> from ark
[07:00] <earl_> control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz
[07:00] <flaccid> mom_: ping a site from konsole eg. ping google.com and see if you have any packet loss
[07:00] <flaccid> earl_: hmm it seems ok
[07:00] <flaccid> earl_: what does dpkg -l | grep alsa-firmware return?
[07:01] <earl_> nothing
[07:01] <flaccid> im not familar with that error, lets google
[07:01] <earl_> maybe it's not even necessary
[07:01] <earl_> let me restart. the other one was an alsa driver deb
[07:01] <earl_> and it installed fine
[07:02] <earl_> dpkg -l | grep alsa does return an alsa-driver
[07:02] <earl_> so that might be all that's necessary
[07:02] <earl_> brb
[07:02] <mom_> no loss, i feel like its something wrong with my computer resolving website names to ip addresses but im not sure about that stuff
[07:02] <flaccid> mom_: ok see how it goes doing dns lookup. host google.com
[07:02] <flaccid> do fresh hosts you have not looked up before so they are not cached in anyway
[07:03] <mom_> that seems fine too, maybe its just the machine
[07:03] <flaccid> not sure, try dif browser maybe
[07:04] <mom_> dang i like firefox maybe ill try an uninstall and reinstall
[07:05] <earl_> no dice.
[07:06] <mom_> thanks for the help
[07:09] <earl_> what is pulse audio?
[07:09] <earl_> that is another thing that is being brought up on my google hits
[07:12] <earl_> one guy suggests removing pulse audio entirely
[07:12] <earl_> but this will break several kde packages
[07:12] <earl_> kaffeine, amarok for example
[07:12] <earl_> so what this issue comes down to, again, is KDE being a giant pain in the ass
[07:12] <Zombocom> guys how do I watch dvds in kubuntu?
[07:13] <Zombocom> everytime I put a dvd in it says it cannot play it
[07:13] <earl_> Zombocom !dvd
[07:13] <Zombocom> !dvd
[07:13] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:13] <Zombocom> what the heck
[07:14] <Lynoure> Zombocom: license issues, that's why
[07:14] <Zombocom> oh
[07:14] <earl_> i have a better link
[07:15] <earl_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[07:16] <earl_> i'm so pissed off
[07:16] <earl_> i dont know what this pulse audio thing is but i dunno how they let it get into kubuntu when it pretty much just breaks everything
[07:17] <Fatih_Akdeniz> hi
[07:18] <mrtimbo> hi
[07:19] <bobito> Hey yall, I can't get any of my programs other than firefox and konversation to connect to the internet, most importantly KTorrent.  I'm running Kubuntu gutsy 7.10, anyone have any ideas?
[07:21] <sigma_123> merry xmas all. hav a good day:)
[07:21] <bobito> you too sigma
[07:22] <fulat2k> hi folks, been trying to compile pspvc on gutsy.  but got the following error when compiling: gcc is unable to create an executable file.
[07:22] <fulat2k> any idea what's missing?
[07:22] <sigma_123> gee the channel is pretty empty
[07:22] <bobito> it is christmas
[07:24] <sigma_123> ubuntu is still pumping. over 1000 users. lol doesnt anyone logoff their
[07:24] <sigma_123> there
[07:43] <earl_> this sound problem is infuriating. is anyone familiar with the following error message
[07:43] <earl_> load-module module-alsa-sink device=hw:0,0
[07:43] <earl_>  load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:0,0
[07:43] <earl_> errr ignore that
[07:43] <earl_> ALSA lib pcm.c:2105:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
[07:44] <flaccid> what does file /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so  returne
[07:48] <earl_> HM
[07:48] <earl_> i think i just found the problem
[07:48] <earl_> i typed alsa into adept
[07:48] <earl_> there's a package calleddd
[07:49] <earl_> libasound2-plugins
[07:49] <earl_> i installed that and the pulseaudio package
[07:49] <earl_> now alsa works
[07:49] <flaccid> ok coolio
[07:49] <earl_> no need even for a reboot
[07:50] <earl_> this whole thing reeks of accidentally-left-out dependency
[07:50] <flaccid> im not sure i have just have libpulse0 and libasound2
[07:51] <earl_> well whatever the case, it works now. thanks for your help
[07:51] <fildo> lol
[07:52] <mario> I have a problem with mupen64
[07:52] <mario> MUPEN64, who has a problem with mupen64!
[07:53] <flaccid> cool
[08:11] <Daemon--> Merry christmas eveyone (in the voice of tiny tim)
[08:45] <Beren78> merry christmas :)
[09:07] <dsmith_> merry kubuntu xmas
[09:13] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i slow down my mouse speed
[09:13] <btse> drag slower
[09:14] <KalEl> hi, is the "KDE4" ready for ubuntu so that i can start using it?
[09:17] <Jay-Oh-En> btse
[09:17] <Jay-Oh-En> btse: ?
[09:24] <Beren78> installing KDE4 on a 3.x system will likely break it, so Kubuntu Hardy alpha2 is probably your best bet if you really want to use it
[09:24] <khelll> i have installed openldap but i miss configured some options... when i tried to reinstall it , i couldnt get the configuration interface again, how shall i start installation from scratch ?
[09:33] <Lynoure> khelll: sudo  dpgk-reconfigure openldap
[09:33] <Lynoure> khelll: or you can just dig around in the configuration files manually
[09:34] <khelll> thanks laynoure
[09:35] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i slow down my mouse speed
[09:45] <Jeroi> Jay-Oh-En go to system settings
[09:45] <Jay-Oh-En> ok done
[09:45] <Jeroi> there is option keyboard and mouse
[09:45] <Jay-Oh-En>  yeo
[09:45] <Jay-Oh-En> yep
[09:45] <Jeroi> mouse
[09:45] <Jay-Oh-En> done
[09:46] <Jay-Oh-En> Jeroi: now what?
[09:47] <Jeroi> hmm werad
[09:47] <Jeroi> there is no sensityve..
[09:48] <Jeroi> mouse poiinste acceleration
[09:48] <Jeroi> it is defautl 2x
[09:48] <Jeroi> slower that
[09:48] <Jay-Oh-En> but it doesnt slow down my mouse when i click apply
[09:49] <Jeroi> ?
[09:49] <Jeroi> mine did
[09:49] <Jay-Oh-En> wait yues it does :]
[09:49] <Jeroi> I did try higher it
[09:49] <Jeroi> and I did slower it
[09:49] <Jeroi> worked
[09:49] <Jay-Oh-En> it worked
[09:49] <Jay-Oh-En> thanks
[09:49] <Jeroi> I think it should be Mouse sensitive
[09:49] <Jeroi> not acceleration speed
[09:51] <Jeroi> np
[09:53] <Jeroi> is there screenies about kde 4?
[09:54] <lordofthepigs> is there any guide that explains how to get suspend to work properly on my laptop
[09:55] <Lynoure> lordofthepigs: not really, there are some guides on what to try, but it can be a really timeconsuming process at worst
[09:56] <Lynoure> lordofthepigs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=505890 is a good start
[09:57] <Lynoure> lordofthepigs: which laptop you have?
[09:58] <lordofthepigs> fujitsu lifebook u810, more of a minilaptop...
[09:59] <soni> anyone there
[10:00] <Lynoure> soni: try  /who #kubuntu   to see
[10:01] <soni> is there a good tool(for Ubuntu Linux) to search and fix hard disks? i have video that's hanging up. :f thank you
[10:01] <Lynoure> lordofthepigs: A friend of mine won his suspend battle with fujitsu lifebook p7120, but I don't know how similar/dissimilar those are. I fight in burst with my HP NC8230, but have not won yet :/
[10:02] <Lynoure> soni: if it is just one videofile, first make sure it was not downloaded corrupt.
 it wasn't it's been oing to lot of files lately
[10:03] <Lynoure> soni: you can check filesystems with fsck and disks with badblocks, I'd start with those.
 i tried that said ti was all good
[10:04] <Lynoure> soni: Which? Both?
 yes i trid fsck but it didn't even check
[10:09] <Lynoure> soni: try with e2fsck -f device
[10:10] <Jeroi> I hope that Kngueror is removed from kde4
[10:10] <wiehan> Serious Question: Do I need envy if I choose the "install proprietary drivers" in kubuntu?
[10:10] <Jeroi> is there a way to remove kngueror?
[10:10] <Jeroi> I use dolphin for file browsing and console, and firefox for web surfing
[10:11] <Jeroi> what system you used before kubuntu?
[10:11] <wiehan> none?
[10:12] <wiehan> Well, win2k, XP, Vista
[10:12] <Jeroi> :D
[10:12] <wiehan> pls can some1 answer my Q?
[10:12] <Jeroi> me too
[10:13] <Jeroi> why do you want to install that?
[10:13] <Jeroi> is there some reason?
[10:13] <wiehan> because, when I started to install stuff like automatix, I immeadiatelly encountered graphics issues which caused me to reinstall kubuntu
[10:13] <pag> wiehan, don't use envy. 1) you don't need it. 2) it only causes problems
[10:14] <jpatrick> !automatix | wiehan
[10:14] <ubotu> wiehan: automatix is not recommended, supported or needed. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[10:14] <wiehan> well, I had problems without it, the kind of problems that make me want to run away from linux!
[10:14] <Jeroi> wiehan like what?
[10:15] <Jeroi> Are you trying to use windows software on linux?
[10:15] <wiehan> Graphics issues! I only see freaking green lines after I install software and restart my PC
[10:15] <wiehan> It crippled my kubuntu
[10:15] <pag> Jeroi, " sudo apt-get remove konqueror " should work for removing Konq. (Personally, I don't see the point of doing so, but it's your machine ;)
[10:15] <wiehan> no, not at all, only linux software
[10:15] <Jeroi> pag it unstilla like whole kde in same time
[10:15] <Jeroi> like 32 packages
[10:16] <Jeroi> I am aware that it will break up my kde
[10:16] <Jeroi> was there a command that will remvoe konqueror alone?
[10:17] <Jeroi> It just kngueror is shit
[10:17] <se7en_> how do i unrar a paswd protectet rar file
[10:17] <Jeroi> I dont use garbage like that :D
[10:17] <Lynoure> kngueror is probably the cheap pirate version =)
[10:17] <wiehan> I'm new to Linux, and I need a quick fix of getting all essential stuff on my PC, Iunderstand Automatix does that...
[10:18] <wiehan> If I can't use automatix, what else?
[10:18] <llutz> se7en_: unrar e -p file.rar
[10:18] <Jeroi> wiehan what are you trying?
[10:18] <Jeroi> gfx?
[10:18] <Jeroi> audio?
[10:18] <wiehan> to just five my PC a more windowsy feel...
[10:18] <Jeroi> wiehan, it is kde
[10:18] <Jeroi> no windows
[10:18] <wiehan> And I am freaking lost in the adept-manager and repositories
[10:19] <Jeroi> you cant make it feel like windows
[10:19] <pag> wiehan, well... "windowsy" feel is best achieved only on one OS... and it's not linux ;)
[10:19] <wiehan> I know that, but you certainly know what I am trying to do
[10:19] <Jeroi> wiehan: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:19] <jpatrick> kdesudo*
[10:19] <Jeroi> then edit that list
[10:19] <se7en_> thanks llutz forgot the e option :)
[10:19] <Jeroi> uncomment all reprosities
[10:20] <Jeroi> then you get more reprositions
[10:20] <wiehan> how do I edit it?
[10:20] <wiehan> To waht?
[10:20] <pag> wiehan, to install codecs, java, flash and things like that, just paste the following into Konsole " sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras "
[10:20] <wiehan> What do I type?
[10:20] <Jeroi> when you see more good repsitories in web just edit that always
[10:20] <Jeroi> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:20] <Jeroi> into konsole
[10:20] <pag> Jeroi, kdesudo
[10:20] <Jeroi> ?
[10:21] <pag> !kdesudo | Jeroi
[10:21] <ubotu> Jeroi: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[10:21] <wiehan> I don't understand at all
[10:21] <Jeroi> ah
[10:21] <wiehan> what should I type to get the restricted extras?
[10:21] <Jeroi> k-menu->system->knosole
[10:21] <wiehan> ok, then what?
[10:21] <Jeroi> it opens commandline
[10:22] <Jeroi> where you can administrate your systemn
[10:22] <Jeroi> typically:
[10:22] <wiehan> just tell me how to get the restricted extras working?
[10:22] <Jeroi> you add programs by typing sudo apt-get install programname
[10:22] <Jeroi> wieahna
[10:22] <jpatrick> !apt | wiehan
[10:22] <ubotu> wiehan: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[10:23] <Jeroi> sudo apt-cache search restricted
[10:23] <wiehan> is that all, then I will have the restricted extras?
[10:23] <onishidato> hey guy, do we have any program can read the .iso file?
[10:23] <jpatrick> that without sudo^^
[10:23] <Jeroi> wiehan no
[10:23] <Jeroi> you search that software from that list
[10:23] <Jeroi> then type:
[10:24] <wiehan> just please tell me waht I should type to get it pls?!
[10:24] <Jeroi> sudo apt-get install program
[10:25] <Jeroi> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:25] <Jeroi> that should do it
[10:25] <wiehan> should I replace program with something?
[10:25] <Jeroi> there it is
[10:25] <onishidato> hey guy, do we have any program can read the .iso file?
[10:25] <Jeroi> [12:25] <Jeroi> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:25] <jpatrick> wiehan: if you haven't done the sources.list thing: download this file: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/2991/ and overwrite your /etc/apt/sources.list with it
[10:26] <jpatrick> onishidato: k3b?
[10:26] <onishidato> it can't read
[10:26] <Jeroi> di find that program name with: sudo apt-cache search restricted
[10:26] <Jeroi> man wiehan you should read ubuntu wiki
[10:26] <onishidato> jpatrick: something can read inside the iso file
[10:26] <jpatrick> Jeroi: help.ubuntu.com would be better
[10:27] <Jeroi> it it like manual for newbie to help you to start with linux
[10:27] <Jeroi> or that
[10:27] <pag> onishidato, krusader should be able to (at least description says so ;)
[10:27] <jpatrick> since the wiki is for development
[10:27] <se7en_> onishidato: just mount it
[10:27] <Jeroi> wiehan just linux is not windows, you must leanr how you use linux.
[10:28] <onishidato> se7en_: we can't mount an iso file
[10:28] <Jeroi> forget your leanring with windows
[10:28] <se7en_> sudo mount -o loop you.iso file /media/yourfolder onishidato
[10:28] <Jeroi> start learning about linux
[10:28] <Jeroi> there is many help sites with ubuntu system
[10:29] <se7en_> !iso
[10:29] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[10:29] <khelll> how shall i find the configuration files of openldap
[10:30] <onishidato> se7en_ ok ok
[10:30] <onishidato> se7en_ let me try
[10:30] <onishidato> se7en_ thks
[10:30] <se7en_> :)
[10:30] <pag> khelll, " dpkg -L openldap | grep config " ? :)
[10:30] <Jeroi> I think image monter should be included in kde4
[10:31] <Jeroi> or dolphin
[10:31] <jpatrick> Jeroi: file a wishlist bug on bugs.kde.org
[10:31] <Jeroi> :D
[10:31] <Jeroi> I dont see it working
[10:31] <Jeroi> there is so many things that  think devs not reading them anymore
[10:31] <Jeroi> I think
[10:33] <khelll> pag i got nothing
[10:34] <onishidato> se7en_: they say mo such file or directory
[10:34] <onishidato> :)
[10:35] <Jeroi> your opening file in not correct direcotry
[10:35] <Jeroi> if you are at home
[10:35] <Jeroi> like /home/myhome/
[10:36] <Jeroi> and your file is at /home/myhome/Destop/MYISO.iso
[10:36] <onishidato> i read the usb file
[10:36] <pag> khelll, /etc/openldap/ldap.conf  ?
[10:36] <Jeroi> ah
[10:36] <onishidato> i use like this /media/sdg1
[10:38] <Jeroi> vittu
[10:38] <se7en_> onishidato: you have to make a folder ... you can do that in you home like mkdir /home/onishidato/myiso/ that is your mount point ... and than sudo mount -o loop your.iso /home/onishidato/myiso
[10:38] <Jeroi> sorrywrong channel
[10:39] <mauri> hi all, in dolphin manager i'm not able to find my floppy disk icon
[10:41] <mauri> hi all, in dolphin manager i'm not able to find my floppy disk icon
[10:42] <ScottG> I don't have a floppy so I can't really help much with that.
[10:43] <mauri> ScottG: ok thanks
[10:43] <ScottG> I'm sorry.
[10:43] <ScottG> It is 5:43 AM EST in the US on Christmas morning so response may be a bit slow this morning.
[10:44] <mauri> ScottG: mary Cristmas
[10:45] <ScottG> Merry Christmas to you too.
[10:47] <Daemon--> trying to get my head round the filesystem folloing guides to inderstand linux better. just wanted someone to clarify something for me please. would i be right in assuming anything in /proc is a system realtime file thats pretty much written to all the time?
[10:49] <Lynoure> Daemon--: http://linuxgazette.net/issue46/fink.html puts it all quite nicely. They are not really files, as such, not on the disk anyway
[10:50] <onishidato> se7en_: ok let me try again
[10:50] <Daemon--> Lynoure - thx i'll take a look
[10:54] <root_> greets guys
[10:54] <giuseppe> hi, I just download babytrans GUI and a english package
[10:55] <giuseppe> how can I install downloaded package?
[10:55] <Dyson> whats the extension?
[10:55] <flaccid> giuseppe: you could use adept or dpkg
[10:55] <Dyson> so my login screen, er, bootloader? doesnt work
[10:55] <giuseppe> flaccid: u mean adept manager?
[10:55] <Dyson> the actual login screen doesnt load, it halts at "loading boot scripts".
[10:55] <flaccid> giuseppe: yep
[10:56] <giuseppe> well, I used it to install GUI babytrans
[10:56] <Dyson> clean install, only installed the new Nvidia drivers
[10:56] <mauri> ScottG: I've have to go.....see you soon (I hope)
[10:57] <giuseppe> flaccid: but when I run it, it says Error: /usr/lib/babytrans/eng... .dic: no such file or directory
[10:57] <giuseppe> flaccid: do u konw what I have to do?
[10:57] <flaccid> !info babytrans
[10:57] <ubotu> babytrans: Front-end to use the dictionaries from Babylon Translator. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 0.9.1-0.3ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 55 kB, installed size 244 kB
[10:58] <flaccid> giuseppe: have you read the manual on babytrans, ive never used it
[10:58] <giuseppe> flaccid: not yet...
[10:58] <flaccid> giuseppe: according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=babytrans&version=gutsy&arch=i386 the comand to run is babytrans
[10:58] <giuseppe> flaccid: now I try to find it
[10:59] <giuseppe> flaccid: thanks
[10:59] <flaccid> np
[11:08] <eagles0513875> MERRY XMAS GUYS
[11:14] <m00punt> wow.. I am love this new version
[11:15] <ScottG> yeah?
[11:20] <mendee> Hallo Leute
[11:21] <wiehan> QuestionL I just installed Automatix, and restarted my PC, what differences should I see?
[11:21] <eagles0513875> !automatix
[11:21] <ubotu> automatix is not recommended, supported or needed. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[11:21] <flaccid> yeah we don't support it sorry wiehan
[11:21] <flaccid> hehe
[11:22] <eagles0513875> what did it used to do
[11:23] <simone> ciao...
[11:23] <simone> who is italian?
[11:23] <flaccid> many things, its all in that article and other ones in google.
[11:23] <eagles0513875> !it |simone
[11:23] <ubotu> simone: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:25] <eagles0513875> what pkg should i download to get shockwave to work in firefox
[11:25] <eagles0513875> !shockwave
[11:25] <ubotu> Shockwave is currently only available for Windows. To run it under !Wine, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Shockwave
[11:25] <eagles0513875> doh
[11:26] <flaccid> dang
[11:26] <eagles0513875> flaccid: what other movie players r available
[11:26] <flaccid> i dunno i jus use kaffeine or xine
[11:27] <RogueJediX> eagles0513875: Try kmplayer. It uses the mplayer backend
[11:27] <flaccid> there is also vlc
[11:28] <eagles0513875> RogueJediX: ok
[11:28] <eagles0513875> flaccid: ok
[11:30] <eagles0513875> merry xmas btw guys
[11:33] <senorpedro> hi folks
[11:33] <senorpedro> merry x-mas 2 all
[11:33] <senorpedro> !firefox
[11:33] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[11:33] <senorpedro> !firefox3
[11:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firefox3 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:34] <bazhang> !info firefox-3
[11:34] <ubotu> Package firefox-3 does not exist in gutsy
[11:34] <bazhang> not true!
[11:34] <jussi01> !info firefox-granparadiso hardy
[11:35] <ubotu> firefox-granparadiso: dummy upgrade package for firefox-granparadiso -> firefox-3.0. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0~b1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 59 kB, installed size 128 kB
[11:35] <mog_> hello
[11:35] <mog_> i have a problme
[11:35] <jussi01> !ask | mog_
[11:35] <ubotu> mog_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:35] <mog_> i use kubuntu in dual boot with windows XP
[11:35] <senorpedro> thx bazhang & juissi01
[11:35] <mog_> ok
[11:36] <jussi01> mog_: whats up?
[11:36] <mog_> ok, so
[11:36] <mog_> my probleme
[11:36] <mog_> is that
[11:37] <mog_> I use kubuntu in dual boot with XP and when i choose kubuntu in Grub, I have this message: Signal Over range
[11:38] <eagles0513875> mog_: j/w im guessing that xp was already installed on the machine first then u installed kubuntu
[11:38] <mog_> during the loading
[11:38] <mog_> yes,
[11:39] <eagles0513875> was the whole drive in ntfs format or did u reinstalll windows and repartitioned
[11:39] <bazhang> mog_: try not to use the enter key as punctuation
[11:39] <BobSapp> How do i set my resolution over 640x480 in KDE?
[11:39] <eagles0513875> BobSapp: go to system settings and then click monitor and display then click administrator mode and then type in ur root password
[11:40] <BobSapp> I was previously using gnome with ubuntu dual screen 1024x768, then i used aptitude to install kde-base
[11:40] <mog_> my resolution is 1024X768
[11:40] <BobSapp> eagles0513875: i am doing that, but it refuses to slide higher than 640x480
[11:40] <eagles0513875> BobSapp: did u install the restricted drivers for ur video card
[11:41] <bazhang> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg BobSapp
[11:41] <mog_> ya, all is correct
[11:41] <BobSapp> im not sure, is that something i actually have to do?
[11:42] <eagles0513875> what im wondering is do graphics drivers transfer from gnome if u have them installed there or do u have to reinstall for kde use
[11:42] <mog_> 	
[11:42] <mog_> What to do?
[11:42] <mog_> 	
[11:42] <mog_> What to do?
[11:42] <bazhang> !repeat | mog_
[11:42] <ubotu> mog_: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[11:42] <mog_> sorry , bug
[11:42] <BobSapp> eagles0513875: as far as i understood it kde+gnome rely on xorg therefore the drivers should be of no relevance to the desktop
[11:42] <mog_> I'm sorry
[11:43] <BobSapp> however kde does seem to use some compositioning which may be an exception
[11:43] <flaccid> BobSapp: what video card is it
[11:43] <fortruth> somebody know which sofeware can edit audio file
[11:43] <BobSapp> ah
[11:44] <flaccid> !info audacity | fortruth
[11:44] <ubotu> fortruth: audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 2321 kB, installed size 6832 kB
[11:44] <BobSapp> bazhang: your solution is correct
[11:44] <BobSapp> my cards a geforce 6200
[11:44] <ScottG> I have that card.. actually 6200SE
[11:44] <bazhang> BobSapp: all good now?
[11:44] <BobSapp> the problem is that somewhere along the line my xorg.conf got written
[11:45] <BobSapp> bazhang: not yet i want to recover my twinview settings if possible
[11:45] <Jeroi> BobSapp when you have isntalled restricded drivers
[11:45] <bazhang> !twinview
[11:45] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[11:45] <Jeroi> for your gfx card
[11:45] <Jeroi> then
[11:45] <fortruth> ubotu: thank u.
[11:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thank u. - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:46] <Jeroi> type into konsole: nvidia-settings
[11:46] <bazhang> he is a bot fortruth
[11:46] <Jeroi> then edit your resolution
[11:47] <jussi01> !thanks | fortruth
[11:47] <ubotu> fortruth: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[11:47] <BobSapp> righty o
[11:47] <BobSapp> thanks Jeroi
[11:47] <Jeroi> BobSapp you can recover your twinview settings also with nvidia-settings command
[11:47] <Jeroi> it is gui toll from nvidia
[11:47] <Jeroi> tool
[11:47] <fortruth> a bot!?  realy!?
[11:48] <bazhang> yup
[11:49] <Jeroi> when you have edited your resolutions then hit ctrl+alt+delete to reboot your x
[11:49] <BobSapp> ctrl+alt+delete lol
[11:49] <Jeroi> and voila you have your resolution
[11:49] <BobSapp> ctrl+alt+backspace :)
[11:49] <Jeroi> yes
[11:49] <Jeroi> I meant that
[11:49] <bazhang> haha
[11:49] <Jeroi> :D
[11:50] <BobSapp> yeah that nvidia-settings tool is cool it detected my screens correctly
[11:50] <BobSapp> CRTs
[11:50] <Jeroi> sorry my homelanguake is finnish and when have our versions for keys
[11:50] <eagles0513875> whats the command to reconfigure the x server. i just rebooted my computer and it maxed the resolution for me and nothing is fitting on my screen
[11:50] <Jeroi> we*
[11:50] <eagles0513875> i tried changing it in setting and it would work when i decrease it. it stays the exact same
[11:50] <bazhang> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:50] <eagles0513875> hope this works lol
[11:51] <Jeroi> BobSapp it is werad that none nvidia help sites tell the proper way of doing it
[11:51] <Jeroi> even help.ubuntu.com tells how to edit your xorg by hand
[11:51] <bazhang> or the factoids
[11:52] <Jeroi> but only thing is to type nvidia-settings and edit that gui tool
[11:52] <Jeroi> I say lol to help sites
[11:52] <BobSapp> well i think its more of a problem under kde
[11:52] <BobSapp> gnome had no problem just going by the xorg.conf
[11:53] <bazhang> more of a problem with documentation imo
[11:53] <eagles0513875> bazhang: that didnt fix anything what else could i try
[11:53] <BobSapp> but somewhere along installing kde xorg gets rewritten
[11:53] <Jeroi> yes
[11:53] <Jeroi> I could edit the help
[11:53] <BobSapp> to some stupid specs
[11:53] <Jeroi> wheres that help site nvidia help?
[11:53] <eagles0513875> where is the xorg config stored
[11:53] <eagles0513875> !nvidia
[11:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:53] <jussi01> !fixres | eagles0513875
[11:53] <ubotu> eagles0513875: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:54] <eagles0513875> jussi01: ty
[11:54] <jussi01> :)
[11:57] <Jeroi> fuck
[11:57] <Jeroi> it needs login
[11:57] <Jeroi> why the hell?
[11:57] <flaccid> what needs login
[11:57] <flaccid> can you be any more vague
[11:57] <Jeroi> wtf?
[11:58] <stdin> !language > Jeroi
[11:58] <Jeroi> fixres site is awfull
[11:58] <bazhang> oh my Jeroi
[11:58] <Jeroi> does any noob read that much of shit?
[11:58] <Jeroi> ok
[11:58] <Jeroi> nice
[11:59] <Jeroi> sorry
[11:59] <Jeroi> my bad
[11:59] <Jeroi> I can see now clearly why getting resultion right in kde is very difficult for newbies
[11:59] <Jeroi> why dont any the sites tell the nvidia-config command?
[12:00] <Jeroi> nvidia-settings
[12:00] <flaccid> because you don't need it
[12:00] <Jeroi> lol
[12:00] <Jeroi> it is the easiest
[12:00] <flaccid> im sure it is
[12:00] <Jeroi> It was the only way how I did get resolutions right with my monitor and 32 widescreen hdmi tv
[12:00] <eagles0513875> can any1 tell me y when i go into system setting and try to either increase resolution and hit apply nothing changes
[12:01] <flaccid> the right way is to use restricted-manager and then set the resolution in system settings
[12:01] <flaccid> eagles0513875: that sort of thing is pretty common
[12:01] <Jeroi> eagles0513875 becuase kde is not good at it
[12:01] <Jeroi> it is coded badly
[12:01] <Jeroi> or sum
[12:01] <flaccid> Jeroi: prove it
[12:01] <eagles0513875> Jeroi: its better then gnome in my opinion and this is the first time this has happened to me
[12:01] <Jeroi> hmm
[12:01] <eagles0513875> flaccid: how can i fix it
[12:02] <Jeroi> If I coded it....
[12:02] <flaccid> eagles0513875: i dont know. you can of course edit xorg.conf manually
[12:02] <Jeroi> 1. I would code restricded driver into resolution change
[12:02] <eagles0513875> Jeroi: u should become an motu
[12:02] <flaccid> still no proof
[12:02] <eagles0513875> Jeroi: and also if u really think u can code a better desktop go for it and start working on it
[12:03] <Jeroi> when you try to increase your resolution, it could then ask do you want to dl nvidia or ati driver for your gfx card
[12:03] <flaccid> yeah exactly. put your words into something tangible
[12:03] <eagles0513875> flaccid: where is xorg.conf stored
[12:03] <flaccid> in /etc/X11
[12:03] <eagles0513875> if had the programming expertise i would be putting what im saying into something tangible
[12:03] <kenkku> hi, can you tell me where I could find a log that would tell me why X crashed?
[12:03] <kenkku> or actually Xgl
[12:04] <Jeroi> well, I was newbie
[12:04] <flaccid> the video/driver issues is not simple, once you actually about the issues
[12:04] <flaccid> know about
[12:04] <Jeroi> My problem was that kde didnt give me more that 1024*786 resolution
[12:04] <Jeroi> I went to system settings
[12:04] <flaccid> Jeroi: don't blame kde until you can prove the problem is kde..
[12:04] <Jeroi> monitor and display
[12:04] <Jeroi> Wanted to rise my resolution, not worked
[12:04] <eagles0513875> right now im only learning java as part of my degree im hoping to teach myself some more languages after
[12:05] <Jeroi> then I went to internet
[12:05] <jpatrick> kenkku: /var/log/Xorg.1.log
[12:05] <eagles0513875> Jeroi: ur having the same problem that i am
[12:05] <flaccid> !punctuation | Jeroi
[12:05] <ubotu> Jeroi: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[12:05] <Jeroi> that told me install nvidia
[12:05] <eagles0513875> let me try reconfig x again
[12:05] <Jeroi> ok
[12:05] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: I really recommend C++ and ruby :)
[12:05] <schummelpilz> i will install kubuntu 7.10 for the first time: i have a 250gb hdd here and i dont really know how to partition it correctly. im planning: 25gb for /, 2gb for swap (2gb ram), and the rest for /home. ill use ext3. thats ok or should i change anything?
[12:05] <kenkku> jpatrick: what's the difference between 1.log and 0.log?
[12:05] <flaccid> schummelpilz: thats fine
[12:05] <jpatrick> kenkku: ah, it's probably the 0 one
[12:06] <pag> schummelpilz, thet's pretty ok, bu personally I would drop / to 20GB
[12:06] <kenkku> jpatrick: it doesn't have any information regarding the shutdown, only starting
[12:06] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: right now im required to learn java as part of my degree. im actually part of a llinux group in malta and im talking with one of the guys whose in charge of it and im hoping sometime soon i can start working an a java based knock of of microsoft office groove
[12:06] <eagles0513875> i cant reconfig x i keep getting the following msg
[12:06] <eagles0513875> kmplayer
[12:07] <eagles0513875> not that this debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailabl
[12:07] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: microsoft office? ...
[12:07] <schummelpilz> thanks, how should i partition my hdd? using qtparted from the live cd?
[12:07] <eagles0513875> no a spin off of msft office groove which is collaboration software
[12:07] <Jeroi> schummel
[12:07] <flaccid> schummelpilz: you can do it in the installer, it has a partitioner
[12:07] <Jeroi> the install proses have partition in it
[12:07] <stdin> eagles0513875: try 'sudo fuser -vik /var/cache/debconf/config.dat'
[12:08] <Jeroi> *partition program
[12:08] <pag> schummelpilz, that would probbaly be the easiest way  (IMHO installers partitioner isn't the most intuitive one)
[12:08] <eagles0513875> stdin: ty it worked
[12:08] <Jeroi> yea
[12:08] <schummelpilz> oh perfect, thanks to everybody. seeing forward to my first linux :)
[12:09] <eagles0513875> schummelpilz: good luck once u go linux ull never wanna go back to winblows
[12:09] <eagles0513875> whats support like for intel 965 video chipsets
[12:09] <flaccid> eagles0513875: its ok
[12:09] <flaccid> via the intel driver
[12:09] <schummelpilz> i know :) im using it at university and its soooo much better. ill just have to get 1-2 games running and then im fine
[12:10] <eagles0513875> flaccid: cuz im looking at getting a replacement laptop for the one i have and i was thinking at best buy for 1200 which is same price as mac book with same specs almost but bigger hard drive
[12:10] <eagles0513875> schummelpilz: what games cuz i can help ya in that regard
[12:10] <kenkku> ah but I use Xgl, does that make a difference?
[12:10] <eagles0513875> its suprised me it was a dell laptop being sold in retail stores what did i miss and when did they start selling their machines in retail stores lol
[12:11] <khelll> how to find the java jdk ?
[12:11] <eagles0513875> khelll: in command line type apt-cache search java jdk it will pull all java related stuff
[12:11] <schummelpilz> eagles0513875: wc3 tft to play dota (and some tools like hotkey tools or gg client) and party poker with poker tracker and pokerace and some other tools will be the most important games for me
[12:11] <eagles0513875> and scroll through it till u find the jdk and then do sudo apt-get install name of pkg
[12:12] <khelll> i have installed it but i dont know where ti resides in my pc
[12:12] <eagles0513875> !wine |schummelpiilz
[12:12] <ubotu> schummelpiilz: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[12:12] <jussi01> schummelpilz: partypoker has a browser client
[12:12] <eagles0513875> khelll: oh let me open net beans maybe i can find it in there for ya
[12:12] <khelll> have netbeans also
[12:12] <eagles0513875> khelll: open net beans it shoudl tell u in there
[12:12] <eagles0513875> some where
[12:13] <schummelpilz> jussi01: yeah but that one is very crappy for multitabling and other usefull tools
[12:13] <eagles0513875> brb again guys need to restart x server
[12:13] <flaccid> eagles0513875: nvidia still the bet imo. sometime you need to do extra config for intel
[12:13] <eagles0513875> !fixres
[12:13] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:14] <eagles0513875> flaccid: damn what kinda video card do macs have
[12:14] <flaccid> eagles0513875: um can't remember, but you can check apple.com :)
[12:14] <eagles0513875> flaccid: u remember that issue i was having with WoW on my laptop
[12:14] <flaccid> not really hhehe, i deal with a lot of issues
[12:15] <eagles0513875> flaccid: where i was getting really crappy frame rates after patching
[12:15] <flaccid> fair enough
[12:15] <eagles0513875> well it seemed like it was the video card
[12:15] <eagles0513875> im on one of my 4 desktop machines it has an nvidia 6600gt and it runs flawlessly aver bout 30-40 fps  and im on the 64bit version of kubuntu
[12:15] <flaccid> ok cool
[12:16] <eagles0513875> brb restarting x
[12:16] <flaccid> !find sudoku
[12:16] <ubotu> Found: ksudoku, sudoku, vdr-plugin-sudoku, gnome-games
[12:17] <eagles0513875> lol now i have a really high resolution. is there a way i can just go into system settings and change resolution from there cuz its still when i raise or lower not changing the desktop resolution
[12:17] <schummelpilz> !find pentago
[12:18] <ubotu> Package/file pentago does not exist in gutsy
[12:18] <eagles0513875> schummelpilz: open up the command line and run these 2 commands sudo apt-get update
[12:18] <eagles0513875> schummelpilz: and sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:19] <schummelpilz> eagles0513875 to have kubuntu up to date?
[12:19] <flaccid> eagles0513875: does the same thing happen when you goto kdesu kcontrol then goto display
[12:19] <eagles0513875> schummelpilz: ya
[12:19] <schummelpilz> ok thanks
[12:19] <eagles0513875> flaccid: let me try
[12:20] <flaccid> or you could use xrandr from konsole or ask the guys in #kde about the bug
[12:20] <eagles0513875> flaccid: then what i have it open
[12:20] <eagles0513875> flaccid: ill take a stab in there
[12:20] <flaccid> search for display and goto monitor and display and see if you can change it there
[12:20] <eagles0513875> k
[12:20] <flaccid> its the same snap in but yeah going into it via kdesu and kcontrol
[12:21] <eagles0513875> same issue
[12:21] <flaccid> yeah
[12:21] <flaccid> can you pastebin output of xrandr -q and is this on gutsy?
[12:22] <eagles0513875> flaccid: gutsy x64
[12:22] <flaccid> ok
[12:22] <eagles0513875> !pastebin
[12:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:23] <eagles0513875> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49525/
[12:24] <eagles0513875> flaccid: kde channel is no help its dead as dead can be in there
[12:24] <flaccid> ok
[12:24] <eagles0513875> in the mean time while we trying to get this sorted out im going to do some java practice hw i have lol
[12:24] <flaccid> besides putting the desired resolutions in xorg.conf, you can change it with xrandr dynamically or install krandrtray
[12:24] <eagles0513875> let me try it with tray
[12:25] <flaccid> !info krandrtray
[12:25] <ubotu> Package krandrtray does not exist in gutsy
[12:25] <eagles0513875> doh
[12:25] <eagles0513875> then how do i do it with xrandr
[12:25] <eagles0513875> !xrandr
[12:25] <flaccid> i think thats in base. goto konsole and type krandrtray &
[12:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xrandr - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:26] <flaccid> see if you get the tray icon then right click it
[12:26] <flaccid> failing that i will show you the command
[12:26] <eagles0513875> :)
[12:26] <eagles0513875> wait
[12:26] <eagles0513875> i can change it in the tray
[12:27] <eagles0513875> brb
[12:28] <eagles0513875> !xrandrtray
[12:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xrandrtray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:28] <eagles0513875> flaccid: what was it to get the tray again
[12:28] <flaccid> pardon
[12:28] <eagles0513875> flaccid: to get the xrandtray to come up
[12:28] <flaccid> krandrtray
[12:29] <eagles0513875> i set the resolution i wanted how do i get it to stay this way
[12:29] <flaccid> edit xorg.conf. pastebin that if you like
[12:29] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:30] <eagles0513875> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49526/
[12:31]  * flaccid moves it over to his 24in lcd
[12:31] <eagles0513875> lol trying to make me feel bad lol
[12:32] <flaccid> nah just havin fun
[12:32] <flaccid> im doing dual via xrandr only..
[12:32] <eagles0513875> i would give anything to hook this up to a 42 inch lcd tv
[12:32] <eagles0513875> what i wanna know is how i get it to permantly stick at that resolution
[12:33] <eagles0513875> in the xorg.conf where it lists all the resolutions do i delete all the other resolutions available
[12:33] <flaccid> eagles0513875: what is your desired resolution. we will hard code one resolution and then you can just change dynamic.
[12:33] <Jeroi> egles are you usin older version than 7.04 kubuntu?
[12:33] <eagles0513875> Jeroi: gutsy x64
[12:33] <eagles0513875> right now with the display tray im at 1024x768
[12:33] <flaccid> which res you want when kdm starts
[12:33] <eagles0513875> 57hz refresh
[12:33] <eagles0513875> this one
[12:34] <Jeroi> "why dont you install nvidia-glx-new wich gomes with restricted drivers?
[12:34] <eagles0513875> Jeroi: already done
[12:34] <Jeroi> ok
[12:34] <eagles0513875> this happened this morning that the resolution started acting up
[12:34] <flaccid> eagles0513875: ?
[12:34] <Jeroi> so just type to knsole nvidia-settings
[12:34] <eagles0513875> i had this thing on all night bittorrenting went to play WoW and my toon wouldnt show up restarted and thats when this all started happening
[12:34] <Jeroi> you casn edit your resolution as you like
[12:35] <disting> can you use compiz on 7.04? if i use 7.04 is there any disadvantage? XD thank you
[12:35] <Jeroi> remember ty press apply button when you done
[12:35] <flaccid> no need. we want to see if putting one resolution in fixes the bug in the snap in. xrandr can do the res dynamic..
[12:35] <eagles0513875> flaccid: u registered
[12:35] <flaccid> with?
[12:35] <eagles0513875> irc
[12:36] <flaccid> freenode?
[12:36] <eagles0513875> ya
[12:36] <flaccid> yeah
[12:36] <disting> hi i am using ubuntu 7.04 and i have 8500 gt but it sys i don't need any restricted driver for my card? what's going on please? thank you XD
[12:36] <eagles0513875> flaccid: let me sign in
[12:36] <flaccid> disting: you can use either the restricted or open driver, its your choice
[12:37] <disting> "Your hardware does not need any restricted drivers."
[12:37] <flaccid> correct disting
[12:37] <Jeroi> flaccid
[12:37] <flaccid> yes Jeroi
[12:37] <Jeroi> apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[12:37] <Jeroi> then type nvidia-settings
[12:38] <eagles0513875> Jeroi: i used the restricted drivers feature that comes with gutsy to install it its already done
[12:38] <Jeroi> yeah
[12:38] <chaz_> is there russians?
[12:38] <eagles0513875> !ru |chaz_
[12:38] <ubotu> chaz_: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[12:38] <flaccid> Jeroi: doing it this way is standard and i think he already has the driver installed. doing it this way also means if you want to use the open driver you don't have to change xorg.conf at al..
[12:38] <Jeroi> ok
[12:39] <Jeroi> so he wants to use open "nv" driver?
[12:39] <flaccid> no he doesn't
[12:39] <flaccid> this way is more extensible/generic
[12:39] <Jeroi> so whats hes problem then?
[12:40] <eagles0513875> Jeroi: i cant change resolution in system settings when ever i do it stays the same
[12:40] <Jeroi> yeah
[12:40] <Jeroi> eagles0513875 it do not work
[12:40] <eagles0513875> no
[12:40] <Jeroi> type into console-> sudo nvidia-settings
[12:40] <Jeroi> or kdesudo
[12:41] <eagles0513875> Jeroi: the way flaccid told me to do it works fine im going to have to stay saving a new xorg.conf file each time i change it that way
[12:41] <flaccid> eagles0513875: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49527/
[12:41] <Jeroi> ok
[12:41] <Jeroi> but nvidia wirutes new config
[12:41] <Jeroi> writes
[12:41] <eagles0513875> jeroic take a look at this how much easier it is
[12:41] <Jeroi> Asiaa sulle!!
[12:41] <flaccid> eagles0513875:  then restart x, check that you can change res via krandrtray then check if you can do in system settings
[12:41] <Jeroi> and it will work everytime
[12:41] <flaccid> Jeroi: thats what we want to avoid
[12:41] <Jeroi> but you do your way
[12:41] <eagles0513875> flaccid: ok
[12:42] <flaccid> Jeroi: users can have their own resolutions with kdm uses a default one
[12:42] <eagles0513875> Jeroi: this is what i have now http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49526/
[12:42] <Jeroi> ok
[12:42] <eagles0513875> Jeroi: look at line 83
[12:42] <eagles0513875> then look at this ine 83 again
[12:42] <eagles0513875> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49527/
[12:42] <eagles0513875> line 56 in this one
[12:42] <Jeroi> so what do you want?
[12:43] <Jeroi> higher your resolution?
[12:43] <Jeroi> into what?
[12:43] <eagles0513875> just want 1024x768
[12:43] <jackster> yay
[12:43] <Jeroi> and you now got?
[12:43] <eagles0513875> if i restarted x now i would be at a much higer resolution and everything would be so small
[12:43] <Jeroi> yeah
[12:43] <eagles0513875> with krandtray i have 1024x768 the way flaccid has me doing it is going ot make it to where it doesnt change
[12:43] <Jeroi> edit modes
[12:44] <Jeroi> Modes "1024x786"
[12:44] <flaccid> so users can go to system settings and set their resolution without need for root. so basically its default res at kdm then they log in and if they have say a high resolution it will change to that dynamically. very flexible..
[12:44] <Jeroi> comment out rest
[12:44] <eagles0513875> / the comments like in java
[12:44] <Jeroi> #####this was commented
[12:45] <Jeroi> #and this
[12:45] <eagles0513875> Jeroi: ty
[12:45] <Jeroi> np
[12:47] <Jeroi> eagles I personally like high resolutons tho, much more icons and and web pages show more content
[12:48] <Jeroi> oh
[12:48] <eagles0513875> Jeroi: this is an ancient crt monitor which used to be on our old computer i just inherit old stuff except for this machine lol
[12:48] <Jeroi> :)
[12:48] <effie_jayx> Happy holidays t everyone
[12:49] <effie_jayx> how odes one go about... ata1.00: exception Emask error at book
[12:49] <nuxil> hmm.. anyone know why i cant get on the Inet with gutsy. "Wireless" i can ping the router. but if i ping etc: google i get unkownen host. everything works fine in gutsy
[12:49] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: how olds the hard drive
[12:49] <effie_jayx> I have tested the drive installing kubuntu 6.06
[12:49] <Greenery> how to make mic to work in mumble?
[12:49] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875: 4 years now...
[12:49] <eagles0513875> nuxil: did u enable the restricted wifi driver and restarted the machine
[12:49] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: could be the drive is just bad
[12:50] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  the drive works with ubuntu 6.06
[12:50] <Jeroi> Greenery write into Konsole-> alsamixer
[12:50] <Jeroi> move right
[12:50] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: did u try disabling dma
[12:50] <effie_jayx> and I am testing two different drives...
[12:50] <Jeroi> with "m" putton you can enable your mic
[12:50] <nuxil> eagles0513875, im running a custom built kernel b|cos of some other driver issue..
[12:50] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  I did... dma=off
[12:50] <Jeroi> then with ESC*2 you close alsamixer
[12:50] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: is one sata and other ide
[12:51] <eagles0513875> nuxil: what other driver issue
[12:51] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  both ide
[12:51] <Jeroi> with command-> alsactl save
[12:51] <nuxil> eagles0513875, but the wifi driver is not the pproblem
[12:51] <Jeroi> you save your alsa settings
[12:51] <eagles0513875> nuxil: ur video is the problem
[12:51] <Greenery> Jeroi:  i've got 3 mic input source
[12:51] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  I don't have them hooked together though... I first tried one... then the other...
[12:51] <Jeroi> open them all
[12:51] <Greenery> ok
[12:52] <Jeroi> as you never know when you use those inputs
[12:52] <effie_jayx> and It can't be that both do the same
[12:52] <Jeroi> altho
[12:52] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: are they still plugged into the motherboard when they rnt powered
[12:52] <Greenery> Jeroi:  how do i open them exactly?
[12:52] <Jeroi> move to them
[12:52] <Jeroi> press "M" key
[12:52] <Jeroi> green GO should then come to the box
[12:52] <Jeroi> in the alsamixer atleast
[12:53] <Greenery> nothng happened when i press M
[12:53] <Jeroi> in the konsole aslamixer?
[12:53] <Greenery> yup
[12:53] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  I tend to leave the one alone.. I remove the other drive completely
[12:54] <Jeroi> It should
[12:54] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: have u tried the alternate install option
[12:54] <david_J> if I install spamassin and enable it in kmail if I mark it as spam I shouldn't see it anymore right?
[12:54] <Jeroi> atleast my aslamixer enables or disables sources with "m" key
[12:55] <Jeroi> altho
[12:55] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  yes I did.. that's the one I use for installing
[12:55] <Jeroi> you can use kmixer also
[12:55] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  the problem is booting up after the install
[12:55] <Jeroi> k-menu->multimedia->kmixer
[12:55] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: did u change any jumper settings on either of the drives
[12:55] <nuxil> eagles0513875, why is it showing me Unknown Host when i try to ping something outside the Lan in gutsy. in feisty with same kernel. i dont get this problem.
[12:55] <flaccid> its kmix :)
[12:56] <Jeroi> :)
[12:56] <Greenery> ok thanks
[12:56] <wiehan> I seriously need to talk to some1 which is not Biased and too idealist when it comes to Linux and its Disto's
[12:56] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875: no... they remain master and I don't use them together
[12:56] <Jeroi> flaccid does it save settings
[12:56] <Jeroi> ?
[12:56] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: try cable select
[12:56] <flaccid> kmix should save settings yeah
[12:56] <Jeroi> ok
[12:56] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  it seems to be the newer kernels
[12:56] <Jeroi> good
[12:56] <wiehan> Any1 able to help me out?
[12:57] <flaccid> if it says unknown host, its failing dns lookup. try pinging the ip and work out why resolution fails
[12:57] <Jeroi> wiehan?
[12:57] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  I try feisty or gutsy... and It doesn't boot...
[12:57] <wiehan> ok, will you listen to my plight?
[12:57] <effie_jayx> I try dapper and it works
[12:57] <eagles0513875> nuxil: also do u have ur dns enabled in ur router
[12:58] <Jeroi> I am not registered...
[12:58] <Jeroi> How can I register myself?
[12:58] <Jeroi> to ubuntu irc network?
[12:58] <flaccid> !register | Jeroi
[12:58] <ubotu> Jeroi: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[12:59] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: have u tried to boot into it using an older kernel
[12:59] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: and then update any pkgs
[12:59] <wiehan> who is the linux super expert in here?
[12:59] <wiehan> I need help
[13:00] <eagles0513875> !ask |wienhan
[13:00] <ubotu> wienhan: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[13:00] <velho> hello people! how can i kill a process?
[13:00] <eagles0513875> velho: do u know the process id number
[13:01] <wiehan> I did the Linux Chooser online test, It really is handy...
[13:01] <nuxil> eagles0513875, what you mean my video is  my problem?
[13:01] <eagles0513875> wiehan: ok so whats ur problem
[13:01] <Daisuke_Ido> i prefer to drown them myself, but you can shoot them, stab them, make them wear concrete boots at the bottom of the river Ankh...
[13:01] <wiehan> But, It came up with Ubuntu, Freespire, OpenSuse, and Mandriva
[13:01] <david_J_> wiehan: I need no test
[13:02] <eagles0513875> u said something about the normal kernel causing problems and i was guessing video issues with the normal kernel
[13:02] <velho> eagles0513875: no and i cant find it with the top command
[13:02] <david_J_> wiehan: pick one and go with it... People say the Ubuntu variants are simpler than them all
[13:02] <Jeroi2>  /msg nickserv link Jeroi matias
[13:02] <wiehan> I don't want to hear that they are all good: I want to know which is best for a total noob, with the most software bundled, and to fully replace a WinOS
[13:02] <Jeroi2> fuck
[13:02] <Daisuke_Ido> wiehan: trust me, go with ubuntu at least at first.
[13:02] <eagles0513875> wiehan: kubuntu
[13:02] <eagles0513875> !language |jeroi
[13:02] <ubotu> jeroi: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[13:02] <wiehan> I have Kubuntu, and I hate it..
[13:03] <velho> wiehan: why?
[13:03] <Daisuke_Ido> wiehan: then what the %*#@ is the problem?  use one of the others
[13:03] <david_J_> wiehan: lol then you are sol... It's open source software... The programs are the same all distros
[13:03] <Jeroi> sorry
[13:03]  * Daisuke_Ido grumbles
[13:03] <wiehan> It really is difficult for me to get around in, I don't understand the layout and I need to freaking type a lot to just install some simple things
[13:03] <Daisuke_Ido> off to do christmas stuff
[13:03] <Daisuke_Ido> what?
[13:03] <Daisuke_Ido> haven't you heard of adept?
[13:03] <david_J_> wiehan: what's hard about apt?
[13:03] <eagles0513875> velho: open system in k meny and then click ksysguard find the pid of what u wanna kill then open command line and type suod kill the pid
[13:03] <eagles0513875> wiehan: u have a gui and u can search for pkgs u want and instll them that wya
[13:04] <Daisuke_Ido> eagles0513875: or... he could just right-click it from within ksysguard and kill it right there...
[13:04] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Ido: sometimes for me though when ive tried that it wants root privs
[13:04] <eagles0513875> flaccid: u alive dude
[13:04] <david_J_> wiehan: any linux takes some reading the distros page
[13:05] <flaccid> yeah
[13:05] <eagles0513875> wiehan: dont give up we r here to help ya give it some time dude
[13:05] <david_J_> Merry Xmas bte
[13:05] <wiehan> which is the total utmost best for some1 completly used to windows and has the most software bundled and I don't have to fiddle around to get mp3's working etc
[13:05] <david_J_> wiehan: you have to fiddle to get mp3's playing they are restricted formats..  You can play ogg as much as you want
[13:06] <eagles0513875> wiehan: if u use any others the performance is going to sux on them because they r system resource hogs
[13:07] <wiehan> I have 30Gb of mp3's I can't just convert them all...
[13:07] <eagles0513875> wiehan: then just download the lame pkg
[13:07] <eagles0513875> and that solves that
[13:07] <david_J_> wiehan: or install the restricted formats yourself
[13:07] <david_J_> wiehan: medubuntu repositories
[13:07] <eagles0513875> mp3 support u just need to download lame then u can play em in amarok
[13:08] <wiehan> how do I donload lame?
[13:08] <velho> eagles0513875: but i can't know the name of the process :( how can i activate that little skull to kill a process?
[13:08] <david_J_> wiehan: If you want to play a dvd, you'll need a restricted format some tiem
[13:08] <david_J_> wiehan: needs libdvdcss
[13:08] <wiehan> which distro comes with all that restriceted stuff standard out of the box?
[13:08] <eagles0513875> velho: i dunno:(
[13:09] <eagles0513875> i dont think any do but i could be wrong
[13:09] <david_J_> wiehan: well gentoo if you can call that out of the box lol
[13:09] <david_J_> wiehan: But I doubt you'll find that easy, and you may have to set a use flag or 2
[13:10] <david_J_> wiehan: installing restricted formats isn't tough
[13:10] <david_J_> wiehan: just need to add a repository and get a gpg key
[13:11] <wiehan> but that is difficult for me in kubuntu?
[13:11] <david_J_> wiehan: hold on
[13:11] <wiehan> I tried to enable the stuff, on the screenshot the Ubuntu one looks easier to do
[13:11] <velho> eagles0513875: once upon a time i used to type "kill & exit" in the konsole. and all I had to do was click in the window that was opened. but now it's not working.... :( can anyone help me please?
[13:12] <eagles0513875> flaccid: any idea what the problem is with velho
[13:12] <eagles0513875> velho: i dunno i have never used it that way
[13:12] <velho> eagles0513875: ok...thank you anyway,,,
[13:12] <eagles0513875> velho: sry
[13:13] <velho> eagles0513875: no problema, you dont have to know everything ^-^
[13:13] <eagles0513875> velho: is there something bogging down ur system
[13:14] <eagles0513875> velho: is thats the case look at whats using the most percentage of system power then kill that process
[13:14] <eagles0513875> thats what i usually do
[13:16] <david_J_> wiehan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormatshttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[13:16] <david_J_> wiehan: oops tapped the middle mouse twice
[13:16] <david_J_> wiehan: take it to the RestrictedFormats
[13:16] <david_J_> wiehan: click on the medibuntu link
[13:18] <flaccid> velho: sorry whats the problem/trying to do
[13:21] <wiehan> can freespire, mandriva etc read ntfs straight out of the box?
[13:23] <eagles0513875> wiehan: anything u going to use requires getting used to the more u chang the long it will take to get used to something
[13:23] <flaccid> this is kubuntu support channel
[13:23] <david_J_> wiehan: Any linux you use will require some work
[13:24] <wiehan> then that's the reason Linux is Lacking behind Windows
[13:24] <eagles0513875> wiehan: not kubuntu
[13:24] <wiehan> what do you mean not kubuntu?
[13:25] <david_J_> wiehan: Uh no not exactly...  It is expecting linux to be Windows that is the problem..
[13:25] <eagles0513875> wiehan: the reason the ubuntu line of is so popular is its light weight out of the box not all the the bloat wear that other distros have
[13:25] <flaccid> this aint #distrowars guys
[13:25] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  sorry I was afk... Yes...
[13:25] <jussi01> wiehan: please keep it ontopic
[13:25] <david_J_> wiehan: what eagles0513875 said
[13:25] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: what was the last thing i said
[13:25] <david_J_> wiehan: there is a general linux channel
[13:26] <david_J_> wiehan: #linux
[13:26] <eagles0513875> wiehan: last thing im goign to say is this
[13:26] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  I tried the kernel in dapper and kubuntu
[13:26] <effie_jayx> and it worked...
[13:26] <eagles0513875> wiehan: any other distro ur goign to notice how bogged down ur machine is going to get
[13:26] <effie_jayx> but I am afraid of upgrading.. cuz I know I'll get the same error...
[13:26] <flaccid> not really. there are distros that are really small like dsl. but hey this is off topic os debate
[13:26] <effie_jayx> it's an old pc so dapper will do just fine
[13:27] <effie_jayx> I am afraid that hardy will definetely leave her out of ubuntu
[13:27] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: im wondering what if u flash the bios
[13:27] <jussi01> Ok everyone, Please take the distros discussion elsewhere
[13:27] <effie_jayx> I am still to buy a new hard drive
[13:27] <flaccid> gutsy will go better than dapper. newer releases don't mean more weight
[13:27] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  Woowww... that's a bit hard core... :D
[13:27] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: just buy a new machine
[13:27] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: lol ya
[13:28] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875: too much money...
[13:28] <effie_jayx> I have to buy in parts...
[13:28] <effie_jayx> I am definetelly doing it
[13:28] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: when was the last time u flashed the bios
[13:28] <eagles0513875> how olds the rest of the machine processor and mother board and what not
[13:28] <effie_jayx> like ... never...
[13:28] <eagles0513875> and what size is the hard drive
[13:29] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  7 years...
[13:29] <effie_jayx> eagles0513875:  12 gigs...
[13:29] <eagles0513875> effie_jayx: how big r the hard drives
[13:29] <effie_jayx> 12 and 20 gig
[13:29] <eagles0513875> flaccid any ideas as to effie's issue
[13:29] <eagles0513875> brb need to restart x
[13:29] <flaccid> whats the issue
[13:31] <eagles0513875> flaccid: its going back to higher rez
[13:31] <flaccid> put the res at end and try, if not we are missing something here
[13:33] <eagles0513875> brb again
[13:33] <effie_jayx> flaccid: I am getting ata.00 exception Emask errors on newer kernels..
[13:33] <flaccid> !bugs | effie_jayx
[13:33] <ubotu> effie_jayx: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[13:34] <flaccid> submit a bug and see result
[13:36] <jussi01> eagles0513875: I missed your issue, did you get it fixed?
[13:36] <jussi01> heh
[13:38] <eagles0513875> im getting pissed off right now
[13:38] <jussi01> !language | eagles0513875
[13:38] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[13:38] <eagles0513875> sry
[13:38] <jussi01> eagles0513875: whats the issue?
[13:38] <flaccid> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/default-screen-resolution-smaller-than-max.-resolution-381412/
[13:39] <jussi01> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/default-screen-resolution-smaller-than-max.-resolution-381412/
[13:39] <jussi01> crap
[13:39] <eagles0513875> jussi01: when i go into system settings and try to adjust my resolution it stays exactly the same
[13:40] <flaccid> eagles0513875: what i would do is use that latest xorg.conf and then use autostart to change the resolution upon login or alternatively get krandrtray to 'save settings' for the user
[13:40] <eagles0513875> according to what u 2 gave me there is a gui what gui r they talking about
[13:41] <flaccid> it would usually be the snap in, which you can't access - you want to go system settings as user only,not root. but you could try the krandrtray
[13:41] <flaccid> so xorg.conf sets max/default res and then the gui sets the user res when they login
[13:43] <Jeroi> lol
[13:43] <Jeroi> wiehan
[13:43] <Jeroi> I tried to explain him that ubuntu is mostlikel very or easiest distro
[13:43] <Jeroi> but he wants out of the box windows linux
[13:44] <effie_jayx> flaccid:  there is a bug report...
[13:44] <flaccid> cool
[13:46] <eagles0513875> flaccid: how do i check which version of xorg im using
[13:48] <flaccid> good question. perhaps just check the package xorg
[13:48] <flaccid> dpkg -l xorg
[13:48] <eagles0513875> when it lists it what is the version
[13:49] <flaccid> eg. mine is 7.2-5
[13:49] <eagles0513875> flaccid: how do i do the following
[13:49] <eagles0513875> defining a PreferredMode in the configuration file
[13:51] <flaccid> in section monitor do  Option          "PreferredMode" "1280x1024"
[13:52] <flaccid> you might need a modeline as well, not sure
[13:52] <eagles0513875> ok
[13:52] <flaccid> you can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if preferredmode gets used
[13:53] <spaci76> salut @ll
[13:53] <eagles0513875> flaccid: what does this mean(II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1440 x 1024
[13:54] <flaccid> yeah so thats the max virtual
[13:54] <eagles0513875> flaccid: the max size
[13:54] <eagles0513875> res
[13:54] <flaccid> for example i increase mine for dual display:                 Virtual         3360 1050
[13:55] <flaccid> but i need to use the open driver to be able to use the vga port for some reason
[13:56] <ubuntu_> hi, i got a question.... while trying to fix and xserver problem(i think that's what it was anyway) i seem to have broken /bin/sh i'm using a live cd right now in hopes of rescuing the system without formatting... i'm trying to run an update on the system but it seems hung on the installing part of the update... any ideas?
[13:56] <flaccid> not that xrandr -s 0 sets it back to default
[13:57] <giuseppe> flaccid: sorry... I read much on line about babytrans
[13:57] <flaccid> not=note
[13:57] <giuseppe> flaccid: I solved error message, but now when I launch babytrans does not happen anything
[13:58] <flaccid> oh dang
[13:58] <giuseppe> flaccid: have u got any idea?
[13:58] <flaccid> so what happens when you goto konsole and type babytrans <enter>
[13:58] <giuseppe> flaccid: nothing... happens nothing
[13:59] <giuseppe> >
[13:59] <eagles0513875> flaccid: im going to do a clean install
[13:59] <flaccid> as in it goes to the next line and you can type in another command, it doesn't output anything?
[13:59] <flaccid> eagles0513875: i don't see why, but that system settings bug is annoying and i've had it many times
[14:00] <giuseppe> flaccid: correct, it goes to next line... I show u
[14:00] <flaccid> ok
[14:00] <giuseppe> flaccid:
[14:00] <flaccid> giuseppe: what is in ps aux | grep babytrans
[14:00] <giuseppe> giuseppe@Giuseppe-mobile:/usr/lib/babytrans$ babytrans
[14:00] <giuseppe> giuseppe@Giuseppe-mobile:/usr/lib/babytrans$
[14:00] <ubuntu_> hi, sorry to interupt, does anyone know if upgrading the machine while using a live cd actually fixes the system? i can't access anything on my system without the live cd
[14:00] <giuseppe> flaccid: what do u mean? :S
[14:01] <flaccid> what does the command ps aux | grep babytrans output in konsole?
[14:01] <giuseppe> flaccid: this one: giuseppe  6356  0.0  0.1   2976   584 pts/1    R+   15:01   0:00 grep babytrans
[14:02] <flaccid> what does which babytrans return ?
[14:02] <eagles0513875> flaccid: would u recommend i dont upgrade from feisty when doing this
[14:02] <eagles0513875> flaccid: when doing clean install that is
[14:02] <flaccid> eagles0513875: i don't know what you mean. i would go gutsy for a clean install
[14:03] <eagles0513875> flaccid: i had only feisty cd and then ddid complete distupgrade
[14:03] <eagles0513875> ill download gutssy and reinstall
[14:03] <flaccid> could be where that problem came from perhaps
[14:03] <eagles0513875> then if it doesnt do it again ill file bug report
[14:03] <giuseppe> flaccid: when I type u suggested me appears this: giuseppe  6356  0.0  0.1   2976   584 pts/1    R+   15:01   0:00 grep babytrans
[14:03] <giuseppe> flaccid:
[14:03] <giuseppe> flaccid: anything else
[14:03] <flaccid> giuseppe: which babytrans
[14:04] <giuseppe> flaccid: u mean revision?
[14:04] <flaccid> tthats the command: which babytrans <enter>
[14:05] <eagles0513875> flaccid: whats the best way to reformat an external hard drive
[14:05] <hotgklub> http://www.hotgirlclub.net.ms check out hot girl movies
[14:05] <giuseppe> flaccid: this is the answer: /usr/bin/babytrans
[14:05] <flaccid> eagles0513875: qtparted
[14:05] <flaccid> one sec giuseppe
[14:05] <eddieftw> what's the way go get a list of the users in a chat when using IRSSI?
[14:05] <eagles0513875> flaccid: reformatted it in ext3 but its not showing up in media
[14:06] <giuseppe> flaccid: sure... thanks
[14:06] <flaccid> eagles0513875: check sudo fdisk -l for a start
[14:07] <eagles0513875> flaccid: im an idiot lol i didnt format it
[14:07] <flaccid> ah yep cool
[14:07] <flaccid> so partition then you format the partition to give it a filesystem
[14:07] <flaccid> mkfs or use gui.. depends on filesytem
[14:08] <rami> hi everyone
[14:08] <eagles0513875> flaccid: im just using ext3
[14:08] <flaccid> giuseppe: try this command: sudo apt-get remove --purge babytrans; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install babytrans; babytrans &
[14:08] <flaccid> giuseppe: but i just tested babytrans it seems buggy and im not sure how to use it so im not sure else how to help
[14:09] <eagles0513875> flaccid: i cant fdisk it
[14:09] <rami> !pastebin
[14:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[14:09] <eagles0513875> flaccid: nm
[14:09] <eagles0513875> !babytrans
[14:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about babytrans - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:09] <eagles0513875> flaccid: what is it anyway
[14:10] <flaccid> !info babytrans | eagles0513875
[14:10] <ubotu> eagles0513875: babytrans: Front-end to use the dictionaries from Babylon Translator. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 0.9.1-0.3ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 55 kB, installed size 244 kB
[14:10] <jessy_james> take the ktranslation
[14:10] <giuseppe> flaccid: so you had problems too?
[14:11] <flaccid> !find translation
[14:11] <ubotu> Found: pkgstriptranslations, psi-translations, trans-de-en, zope-plonetranslations
[14:11] <eagles0513875> kool kool
[14:11] <flaccid> giuseppe: yeah but maybe we need dictionaries installed. but on mine at least the gui launched
[14:11] <rami> ardchoille: my paste is up
[14:12] <giuseppe> flaccid: well, I have dictionaire installed
[14:12] <giuseppe> the problem is that before dictionaire installed GUI started... but now not
[14:12] <eagles0513875> flaccid: its formatted now i still cant see it in storage its a usb external laptop hard drive
[14:13] <flaccid> unplug it then plug it back in again then check dmesg and also /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages
[14:13] <flaccid> then check sudo fdisk -l to see if it is in there
[14:13] <giuseppe> jessy_james: so, ktranslation is good?
[14:13] <eagles0513875> flaccid its not there:(
[14:14] <flaccid> what came up in dmesg
[14:14] <eagles0513875> nm it came up
[14:14] <flaccid> ok
[14:14] <jessy_james> yes,she do the pronunciation,
[14:15] <MikeLowrey_14046> someone can help me pls? i got a problem. here is a screen http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=9250149
[14:15] <giuseppe> jessy_james: cool, and u know if it support eng2ita?
[14:15] <jessy_james> si giuseppe
[14:15] <eagles0513875> !it
[14:15] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[14:16] <giuseppe> jessy_james:  but you know italian or u are using ktranslator ;-)  ?
[14:17] <jessy_james> use the dictionary of babytrans
[14:17] <jessy_james> http://www.escomposlinux.org/rvm/wordtrans/dictionaries_en.php
[14:17] <eagles0513875> flaccid: for some reason the files i want to copy im being denied access 2
[14:18] <giuseppe> jessy_james: well I c... u use babylon and suggest me ktranslator... cool eheh... by the way, I'm instsalling it
[14:18] <flaccid> !ntfs | eagles0513875
[14:18] <ubotu> eagles0513875: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[14:18] <flaccid> !fstab | eagles0513875
[14:18] <ubotu> eagles0513875: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[14:18] <eagles0513875> flaccid: just reformatted it in ext3
[14:18] <flaccid> i would recommend and fstab entry with user option
[14:19] <flaccid> and=an
[14:19] <eagles0513875> flaccid: its not even seeing the drive
[14:19] <eagles0513875> in fstab
[14:19] <flaccid> you have to add it to fstab
[14:20] <flaccid> eagles0513875: goto disks and file systems in system settings and see if you can enable it in there perhaps
[14:20] <flaccid> may require an fstab entry there however
[14:21] <eagles0513875> flaccid: there is my problem didnt specify mount pt in qtparted
[14:22] <flaccid> ah ok cool
[14:25] <eagles0513875> i love downloading at bout 640kbps
[14:29] <eagles0513875> flaccid: :) its working now
[14:29] <flaccid> cool
[14:29] <eagles0513875> flaccid: is samba rather easy to setup
[14:29] <flaccid> yes and no
[14:30] <eagles0513875> whats the no part lol
[14:30] <flaccid> there are a couple of gotyas particularly in a mixed environment
[14:30] <flaccid> !samba
[14:30] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[14:30] <flaccid> there are many guides/resources on the net, and im familar with a lot of the common issues
[14:31] <eagles0513875> cuz i would like to access stuff i put on here especially since im goin to have to transfer all my data off my laptop
[14:31] <eagles0513875> have to take it in for an issue with one of the fans and i cant stay without it when i go back to europe for school. so my dad is going to buy me a new one
[14:32] <eagles0513875> flaccid: what would be necessary with apt and the dist upgrade to actually work without errors
[14:32] <flaccid> eagles0513875: knowledge of the error
[14:33] <eagles0513875> lol like i have a feeling that that is probably what caused my issue
[14:33] <eagles0513875> what i dont get is why suddenly out of the blue when it was working fine yesterday
[14:33] <flaccid> hal and ubuntu are not perfect for starters
[14:34] <eagles0513875> flaccid: thats true but they have come a long way since edgy
[14:34] <flaccid> hard to say much difference there in this respect
[14:35] <eagles0513875> flaccid: when i first tried to do it from edgy to feisty it broke my whole setup at least now it works with some slight bugs
[14:35] <flaccid> um thats a big generalisation. there are a lot of variables to consider. i've done upgrades from all release, even from dapper to gutsy direct
[14:36] <eagles0513875> i thought u couldnt do that
[14:36] <flaccid> nah you can
[14:36] <eagles0513875> what i read when gutsy first came out on the wiki they said they dont recommend it
[14:37] <flaccid> put it this way, a lot of upgrades are not graceful, so you need to have pkg knowledge on how to fix problems and move on. i've done some graceful upgrades that are far apart in terms of versions. this is usually when have not installed any extra packages from base install
[14:38] <eagles0513875> i wish i had more time for linux
[14:38] <eagles0513875> especially being an IT major
[14:39] <flaccid> im a freebsd user preferably
[14:39] <eagles0513875> whats the performance like with freebsd
[14:39] <sigma> just do a little everyday! im studying acounting and i make time for it:)
[14:39] <eagles0513875> sigma: whats harder is im only in usa for next 2 weeks until just after the new yr then i head back to europe for school.
[14:39] <jussi01> !ot
[14:39] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[14:40] <eagles0513875> sry juss
[14:40] <eagles0513875> well im off for now to do a completely clean install
[14:40] <eagles0513875> and god willingly fix my rez issues
[14:40] <flaccid> excellent performanced
[14:43] <sigma> does ubuntu studio have a irc channel?
[14:43] <jhutchins> sigma: well, #ubuntu
[14:44] <jussi01> sigma: yes, #ubuntustudio
[14:44] <aro> Anyone else timing out on us.archive.ubuntu.com repository?
[14:44] <aro> I can't even load ubuntu.com :(
[14:45] <flaccid> both work for me
[14:45] <aro> Ugh it's gotta be me then
[14:45] <flaccid> most likely
[14:45] <jussi01> works fine here
[14:45] <bahman> Hi all, I'm a new user of Kubuntu!
[14:45] <jussi01> bahman: how can we help?
[14:45] <flaccid> heya bahman
[14:46] <bahman> It's my first time to connect to internet
[14:46] <flaccid> congrats
[14:46] <aro> Weird though, I can visit any other page
[14:46] <bahman> my web browser dose not connected!
[14:46] <bahman> hi jussi01
[14:46] <sigma> aro: can u load packages.ubuntu.com? or http://mirror.ac.za?
[14:47] <Roey> hello
[14:47] <aro> sigma, nope
[14:47] <sigma> aro: you can't load www.mirror.ac.za?
[14:47] <Roey> I've just now upgraded to Gutsy from Feisty and notice that Direct Rendering in X has been disabled....what's with that??  (intel 810 graphics here)
[14:47] <jussi01> !dri | Roey
[14:47] <ubotu> Roey: dri is direct rendering infrastructure, a framework for allowing direct access to graphics hardware under the X Window System in a safe and efficient manner.
[14:47] <aro> sigma, yes i can load that, but not packages.ubuntu.com
[14:48] <sigma> aro: go to the ubuntu section in there - its a south african mirror of packages.ubuntu.com
[14:49] <bahman> I couldnt connect to webpages with Konqueror?!
[14:49] <bahman> could anyone help me please?!
[14:49] <Roey> jussi01:   ah thanks, I know--what I'm trying to find out is why it's disabled here.  Intel_agp module has been loaded; drm kernel module is also loadded.
[14:49] <poison__> are u behind a proxy
[14:49] <bahman> no!
[14:49] <poison__> can u connect using firefox
[14:50] <bahman> I'm a new user!
[14:50] <bahman> where is firefox?!
[14:50] <bahman> I think I have not firefox
[14:50] <Samy> bahman: sudo apt-get install firefox
[14:50] <velho_> bahman: kmenu>internet
[14:50] <velho_> its not there?
[14:50] <sigma> its not installed by default
[14:50] <bahman> wait
[14:51] <Roey> oh, funny
[14:51] <Roey> Limkor in hebrew  means "to sell"
[14:51] <bahman> I have not firefox, and couldn't install it!
[14:52] <Samy> bahman: sudo apt-get install firefox
[14:52] <velho_> bahman: sudo apt-get install firefox
[14:52] <bahman> It isn't anyway to connect with konqueror?!
[14:52] <velho_> bahman: open the konsole and type that line...
[14:52] <bahman> I type it
[14:52] <jpatrick> bahman: there must be something funky with your config
[14:52] <bahman> but this smg:
[14:52] <bahman> sudo apt-get install firefox
[14:53] <velho_> and then use your pass
[14:53] <bahman> Reading package lists... Done
[14:53] <bahman> Building dependency tree
[14:53] <bahman> Reading state information... Done
[14:53] <bahman> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[14:53] <bahman> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[14:53] <bahman> is only available from another source
[14:53] <bahman> E: Package firefox has no installation candidate
[14:53] <jpatrick> !paste | bahman
[14:53] <ubotu> bahman: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[14:53] <flaccid> !info firefox
[14:53] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.11+2nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10 (gutsy), package size 8969 kB, installed size 26024 kB
[14:54] <flaccid> bahman: please do a sudo apt-get update
[14:54] <flaccid> if you have the same problem then pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:55] <Samy> any way not to have the nfs user as nobody?
[14:55] <flaccid> !nfs | Samy
[14:55] <ubotu> Samy: nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[14:56] <flaccid> does it say in there Samy ?
[14:56] <Samy> thx ;)
[14:56] <flaccid> np
[14:57] <Samy> another thing: every network acces on my gutsy sever (ssh, ftp, vnc, ...) has a 10 seconds login delay... any idea?
[14:57] <kaminix> Hmm... what ripping programs are there except k3b? It won't rip one of my CDs, and it doesn't give any errors.
[14:57] <flaccid> Samy: is that when using hostname or ip with the ssh command?
[14:58] <Samy> flaccid: both
[14:58] <flaccid> !rip
[14:58] <ubotu> To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar; it's configurable in system settings. Also see http://tinyurl.com/2x7qsh
[14:58] <flaccid> what about when pinging ?
[14:59] <Samy> flaccid: immediate
[14:59] <flaccid> so this is like on the local lan ?
[14:59] <eshat> where do i have to copy my homepage on my local server ???
[14:59] <flaccid> !lamp | eshat
[14:59] <ubotu> eshat: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[15:00] <flaccid> eshat: you want to run a webserver?
[15:00] <eshat> flaccid: yes
[15:00] <flaccid> see above
[15:00] <flaccid> !apache
[15:00] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[15:00] <bahman> Is there anyway to browse internet with konqueror?! How could I online with this browser?!
[15:00] <flaccid> sorry
[15:00] <Samy> flaccid: yes local lan
[15:00] <flaccid> bahman: what is the error konqueror returns
[15:00] <flaccid> Samy: pastebin a traceroute please
[15:01] <Samy> flaccid: don't know how to do that... :(
[15:01] <flaccid> sudo apt-get install traceroute to install it and then say traceroute 192.168.0.1
[15:01] <bahman> It is:  An error occurred while loading http://google.com/:   Could not connect to host http://google.com/.
[15:02] <kurt> how to use .tcl files ??
[15:03] <flaccid> !tcl
[15:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tcl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:03] <flaccid> learn tcl i guess
[15:04] <flaccid> probably need to install the package tclx8.3
[15:06] <Samy> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49535/
[15:06] <Samy> flaccid: nothing special...
[15:07] <flaccid> and you say you have this delay when doing a ssh 192.168.1.135 ?
[15:07] <Samy> yep
[15:07] <Samy> somthing with ipv6?
[15:08] <Samy> or backward dns?
[15:08] <flaccid> not sure. it does look like the problem is the dest computer, which is what ubuntu gutsy or something?
[15:08] <flaccid> it shouldn't use reverse dns i don't think
[15:08] <flaccid> maybe disable ipv6
[15:09] <Samy> i already did somethinglike that some time ago
[15:09] <Samy> had latency in konqueror
[15:09] <Samy> then disabled ipv6
[15:09] <Samy> and everything went ok
[15:09] <Samy> but remote connections logins areslow...
[15:10] <flaccid> not sure what the problem is or how to troubleshoot :(
[15:10] <Samy> alsowhat about vnc beeing horibly slow?
[15:10] <Samy> (server-side)
[15:11] <BluesKaj> Howdy Folks , just dropped in for a few mins to wish everyone a Merry Christmas ! and a Happy New Year!
[15:11] <flaccid> thats a mystery too i guess
[15:11] <flaccid> heya BluesKaj
[15:11] <BluesKaj> hi flaccid
[15:11] <bahman> Help me, I really couldn't browse internet!
[15:12] <BluesKaj> and if you don't celebrate christmas ...goodwill towards all
[15:12] <shaffy_> ho ho ho everyone
[15:12] <Samy> BluesKaj: can you ping www.google.com?
[15:13] <adaran> is anyone familiar with the way ubuntu starts/stops services (initd, upstart, sysv init?)
[15:13] <Samy> adaran: go ahead
[15:13] <jussi01> !anyone | adaran
[15:13] <ubotu> adaran: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[15:13] <adaran> well i'm wondering how it works at the moment. if i'm right, upstart is in place and emulating sys v init?
[15:14] <adaran> jussi01: mainly because noone usually knows an answer to my question =)
[15:14] <kurt> where can i change the dosbox file
[15:14] <jussi01> !upstart
[15:14] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[15:14] <adaran> jussi01: that's what i'm reading at the moment. it's a bit sparse though
[15:15] <jussi01> adaran: is there a particular reason you are wondering?
[15:15] <jussi01> adaran: is it for development of some sort?
[15:16] <adaran> mainly, i'm wondering if there's a clean way to disable services (prevent some daemons to be startet at runlevel X) in a daemon/packagea agnostic way (= i don't wat to mess with /etc/defaults on a per package basis) so that these settings persist
[15:16] <jpatrick> adaran: sudo update-rc.d <service> remove
[15:16] <adaran> so far i'm guessing i have to do it in a sysv way (because upstart does replicate its behavior)? a configuration option of "don't add anything to my startup sequence without asking" would be nice, too =)
[15:17] <adaran> jpatrick: looked into that - however, does that only remove the links from rc?.d
[15:17] <adaran> ?
[15:17] <jpatrick> adaran: yes, but that removes it from boot
[15:17] <adaran> jpatrick: sometimes packages re-add those though
[15:17] <jpatrick> hmm
[15:17] <adaran> jpatrick: (i think) - usually, i remove those by hand, but sometimes (after dist-upgrade) they reappear
[15:18] <jpatrick> yeah..
[15:19] <adaran> so, any suggestions?
[15:20] <bazhang> kurt: the dosbox file? you mean a game?
[15:20] <kurt> i mean where i can change resolution and drive
[15:20] <kurt> or a good dosbox frontend is good too
[15:21] <BluesKaj> www.google.com
[15:21] <bazhang> kurt: have you run  it yet? there is a builtin help system
[15:22] <kurt> too complicated, i know there is a file to change it manually
[15:23] <bahman> Hello
[15:23] <bahman> :)
[15:23] <jussi01> hi bahman
[15:23] <bahman> In Add/Remove programs
[15:24] <bahman> I couldn't install a program, such as firefox!
[15:24] <jussi01> bahman: did it give you an error?
[15:25] <Samy> bahman: K > System > Adept Manager
[15:25] <bahman> No, they are just inaactive!
[15:25] <jussi01> bahman: see what Samy said...
[15:25] <bahman> I couldnt click on them!
[15:25] <BluesKaj> bahman, installing browsers usually takes a reboot afterwards ...It's not supposed to but it seems to work
[15:26] <Samy> BluesKaj: never happened to me...
[15:26] <BluesKaj> yeah, me neither
[15:26] <BluesKaj> bahman try installing FF with adept pkg manager
[15:27] <bahman> I open Adept Manager
[15:28] <bahman> It seems firefox is installed! but I couldnt run it!
[15:28] <TuxMan> same!
[15:28] <jussi01> bahman: is it in k-> internet -> firefox ?
[15:28] <jpatrick> bahman: is it not in the menu?^^
[15:28] <bahman> No it's not there!
[15:28] <Samy> bahman: alt+f2 > firefox
[15:28] <BluesKaj> bahman , is it listed under 'internet' in the Kmenu ?
[15:29] <tim> i installed kubuntu 7.10. whats the name of the package, which has all the important codecs like mp3 or xvid etc in it?
[15:29] <TuxMan> it is in menu, just says when i run in konsole:
[15:29] <TuxMan> ezra@twister:~$ firefoxX Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 171  Major opcode:  149  Minor opcode:  3  Resource id:  0x0Failed to open deviceX Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 171  Major opcode:  149  Minor opcode:  3  Resource id:  0x0Failed to open device(firefox-bin:7780): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_parent_window: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed(firefox-bin:7780): Gdk-CRITICAL
[15:29] <TuxMan> ULL' failed(firefox-bin:7780): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_parent: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failedSegmentation fault (core dumped)
[15:29] <jussi01> !paste | TuxMan
[15:29] <ubotu> TuxMan: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[15:29] <bahman> No, it is not listed in my 'internet' in the Kmenu!!!
[15:29] <Samy> bahman: type "which firefox" in a konsole
[15:29] <bazhang> tim: kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:30] <jussi01> !mp3 | TuxMan
[15:30] <ubotu> TuxMan: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[15:30] <TuxMan> also: I can't get KDE 4 running
[15:30] <TuxMan> I installed the new packages
[15:31] <TuxMan> but KDE 4 didnt appear in kdm login screen
[15:31] <jpatrick> TuxMan: you have done everything the rc2 page says
[15:31] <jussi01> !kde4 | TuxMan did you follow these instrutions?
[15:31] <ubotu> TuxMan did you follow these instrutions?: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[15:31] <TuxMan> ok let me check if i missed any packages
[15:32] <jpatrick> TuxMan: you missed a command
[15:32] <tim> i have a 5.1 soundsystem but just the "front speakers" work. what do i have to do to have full surround support
[15:32] <TuxMan> the export thingy?
[15:32] <bahman> Could you tell me which OS is better for new linux users such as me (Ubuntu or Kubuntu)?!
[15:33] <jpatrick> bahman: they are both the same
[15:33] <TuxMan> Kubuntu is best because it is most like windows
[15:33] <jussi01> bahman: either - both have good and bad bits.
[15:33] <bahman> I know
[15:33] <BluesKaj> bahman , have you tried rebooting ?
[15:33] <bahman> but I couldn't browse webpages in Kubuntu!
[15:34] <TuxMan> you can use Konqueror, and not firefox..
[15:34] <TuxMan> more optimized for kubuntu
[15:34] <bahman> thanks, I rebooting and then come back
[15:34] <BluesKaj> konqueror is a VG browser , actually safer than any others
[15:34] <tim> i have a 5.1 soundsystem but just the "front speakers" work. what do i have to do to have full surround support
[15:35] <hydrogen> !easyapt
[15:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about easyapt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:35] <hydrogen> whats the auto generated sources.list factoid?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> I use FF for some sites, due to the HTML code being weird, but very few require it now
[15:35] <hydrogen> ah
[15:35] <hydrogen> foubdn it
[15:36] <TuxMan> ack can someone please help me run KDE 4??
[15:36] <adaran> tim: configure alsa =)
[15:36] <TuxMan> I have all the dev packages but not listed in KDM!
[15:37] <BluesKaj> tim , open 'alsamixer' in the konsole and unmute and set your vol ctrls there for center and surround
[15:37] <tim> thanks. ill try that
[15:38] <TuxMan> im gonna try to get on KDE 4.. brb
[15:39] <tim> brb rebooz
[15:39] <tim> z=t
[15:40] <TuxMan> no, it did not work!
[15:41] <TuxMan> I cant dang boot KDE 4!
[15:41] <TuxMan> can someone help me??
[15:42] <TuxMan> Is there anybody out there...
[15:42] <BluesKaj> !kde4
[15:43] <TuxMan> huh? what?
[15:43] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[15:43] <bazhang> TuxMan: you might want to try the live cd
[15:43] <TuxMan> i dont have any writable cds handy tho
[15:43] <TuxMan> i'd have to go out and buy em
[15:44] <BluesKaj> what's the kde help chat ?
[15:44] <hydrogen> TuxMan: whaats not working with it?
[15:44] <TuxMan> I cant boot KDE4 from login screen (KDM)
[15:45] <adaran> TuxMan: what packages did you install from where?
[15:45] <TuxMan> the source on the kubuntu wiki...
[15:45] <adaran> TuxMan: that would be?
[15:45] <TuxMan> ppa.launchpad or sumtin like that
[15:46] <adaran> TuxMan: more exact?
[15:47] <TuxMan> ok wait
[15:48] <TuxMan> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main
[15:48] <TuxMan> ?_? bamboozled
[15:48] <adaran> TuxMan: can you do a $ dpkg -l | grep kde
[15:49] <adaran> TuxMan: and copy & paste the output to pastebin.com ?
[15:49] <TuxMan> okey dokey
[15:50] <eagles051387> flaccid: im back everything seems to be back to normal
[15:51] <TuxMan> posted it, adaran
[15:51] <bazhang> haha
[15:52] <adaran> TuxMan: well now you only need to tell me the link =)
[15:52] <TuxMan> http://pastebin.com/m2fa37115
[15:53] <adaran> TuxMan: you don't seem to have kde4 installed...
[15:53] <adaran> TuxMan: ah nevermind
[15:53] <TuxMan> =O
[15:53] <TuxMan> phew
[15:53] <adaran> TuxMan: there's like a gazillion different naming schemes there =)
[15:53] <TuxMan> ... thats what repos are for =P
[15:54] <adaran> TuxMan: which meta package did you install explicitly?
[15:54] <TuxMan> kdebase-bin
[15:54] <adaran> TuxMan: that won't do
[15:54] <TuxMan> kdebase-runtime
[15:55] <TuxMan> and other
[15:55] <TuxMan> s
[15:55] <adaran> TuxMan: there should be a meta-package with all dependencies you need
[15:55] <TuxMan> yeah. kdebase-bin installed like a thousand packages
[15:56] <adaran> TuxMan: kdebase-workspace kdebase-kde4 kdebase-runtime
[15:56] <adaran> TuxMan: those look more like what you need
[15:57] <TuxMan> i installed those.
[15:57] <adaran> TuxMan: try installing those - if that does _not_ install extra packages, nevermind.
[15:57] <adaran> TuxMan: did you restart your x-server (you did, if you rebooted)
[15:57] <adaran> TuxMan: ?
[15:57] <TuxMan> yes i did like 3 times
[15:57] <maduser> I can't boot kubuntu
[15:57] <maduser> I need to set grub back to the defult
[15:57] <flaccid> dang
[15:58] <maduser> is it hd1 insted of hd0?
[15:58] <adaran> TuxMan: $ ls /usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions/
[15:58] <TuxMan> kk
[15:58] <BluesKaj> maduser , pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[15:59] <maduser> !pastebin
[15:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[15:59] <adaran> TuxMan: woups, wrong folder
[15:59] <adaran> TuxMan: $ ls /usr/share/xsessions/
[15:59] <adaran> TuxMan: see what's in there
[15:59] <maduser> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49538/
[15:59] <maduser> thats the grub
[15:59] <TuxMan> e-gnome.desktop  enlightenment.desktop  kde.desktope-kde.desktop    Enlightenment.desktop
[15:59] <TuxMan> wtf i dont have enlightenment!
[16:00] <TuxMan> better rm those enlightenment ones
[16:00] <adaran> TuxMan: bad idea
[16:00] <TuxMan> why?
[16:00] <adaran> TuxMan: because you don't cp/rm/whatever outside of home =)
[16:00] <adaran> TuxMan: find out what put them there
[16:00] <adaran> TuxMan: then remove the package.
[16:01] <adaran> TuxMan: anyway - try opening a console, type in startk<tab> and see if there's another completion other then startkde
[16:01] <adaran> TuxMan: maybe startkde4 or something similiar?
[16:02] <TuxMan> nopes
[16:02] <adaran> TuxMan: wait a second, did you follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[16:02] <adaran> TuxMan: ?
[16:02] <TuxMan> yees
[16:03] <adaran> TuxMan: you didn't uninstall the packages though
[16:03] <adaran> TuxMan: ii  kdelibs5                               4:3.96.0-1ubuntu2~gutsy2~ppa1
[16:03] <adaran> TuxMan: that's from your dpkg output
[16:03] <TuxMan> =O i still have that?
[16:03] <TuxMan> curses!
[16:04] <TuxMan> OK its killing the old KDE 4
[16:04] <Dragnslcr> !brokenkde
[16:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about brokenkde - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:04] <Dragnslcr> Hm, what was that factoid
[16:05] <maduser> any ides?
[16:05] <TuxMan> OK, well, it killed the old version!
[16:05] <bazhang> kde4broken
[16:05] <TuxMan> time to redo those instructions
[16:05] <Dragnslcr> !brokenkde4
[16:05] <ubotu> If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[16:05] <Dragnslcr> There ya go
[16:05] <adaran> maduser: what's your problem again?
[16:05] <maduser> The grub won't boot
[16:06] <maduser> but everything else is fine
[16:06] <adaran> maduser: be a little more specific please
[16:07] <maduser> the grub is set to another hard drive
[16:07] <maduser> i need to set it back to the internal had
[16:07] <maduser> i need to set it back to the internal hd
[16:08] <maduser> I am getting a grub error 22
[16:08] <adaran> maduser: but the grub menu loads?
[16:09] <TuxMan> BRB! time to check if KDE4 runs now!
[16:09] <maduser> no
[16:09] <maduser> it just gets an error 22
[16:09] <jhutchins> maduser: Which HD is your installation on?
[16:09] <tim> hey, i have problems with windows fonts (dunno which exactly) in wine, how can i install them in kubuntu?
[16:09] <jhutchins> maduser: The /boot partition
[16:09] <adaran> maduser: my guess is you need to reinstall grub
[16:10] <jhutchins> !fonts | tim
[16:10] <ubotu> tim: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[16:10] <adaran> maduser: run grub as root, type in root (hdX,Y), setup (hdX)
[16:10] <jhutchins> adaran: You're forgetting we don't generally run as root in ubuntu.
[16:11] <adaran> jhutchins: well, installing a boot loader is quite hard without root priviledges.
[16:11] <jhutchins> maduser: I thought you wanted help?
[16:11] <jussi01> sudo!
[16:11] <maduser> never mind got super grub
[16:12] <jhutchins> Well, merry Christmas everybody
[16:12] <|HellTiger|> hi all
[16:12] <maduser> its a grub restor
[16:12] <adaran> super grub?
[16:12] <kurt> i want to add  an extra hdd to my pc for dos format
[16:12] <maduser> http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/
[16:12] <kurt> what would be the best way to do this please
[16:13] <adaran> kurt: buy it and put it in?
[16:13] <flaccid> then
[16:13] <adaran> maduser: that looks a bit ... well, weird =)
[16:13] <flaccid> !mount
[16:13] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[16:14] <|HellTiger|> i will install kubuntu now for my parents. the problem is they have at moment modem 65k internet with aol and crashed windows.  i have only the kubuntu CD, are there any more needs to install kubuntu? must i have some files before i can run this modem?
[16:14] <adaran> |HellTiger|: you won't be happy with 64k...
[16:14] <kurt> adaran: want to know for dual boot
[16:14] <|HellTiger|> adaran: they need it for email, not more.
[16:15] <adaran> |HellTiger|: still you'd want the occasional security update. but regarding your question: the ubuntu installation cd should suffice
[16:15] <|HellTiger|> is on the kunbuntu cd everything i need to install and run this modem? so like suse?
[16:15] <adaran> |HellTiger|: err kubuntu
[16:15] <tim> in windows i used my audigy soundcard for everything but teamspeak, for which i used my onboard sound. how can i use onboard sound in kubuntu in teamspeak?
[16:15] <adaran> |HellTiger|: i'm pretty sure, but i've never owned a 64k modem, so i'm not sure =). don't expect it to be a piece a cake though (it may be, but 64k is quite rare and you'll probably have to mess with ppp and stuff)
[16:15] <eshat> where can i configure the steps of raising volume when I press FN+Up ???
[16:16] <adaran> tim: configure alsa
[16:16] <adaran> kurt: at the moment, you only have a single ubuntu installation, no windows, and now you want to put in a second harddrive and install windows on it?
[16:17] <kurt> no, i want to play doom, lxdoom , prboom, nothing works
[16:17] <kurt> can't configure dosbox either
[16:17] <adaran> kurt: and why do you want to buy a second harddrive for that?
[16:17] <kurt> so what else is left
[16:17] <adaran> kurt: ah, you really do want DOS
[16:17] <adaran> kurt: there's a linux port of doom, isn't there? =)
[16:17] <kurt> i already have a hdd
[16:17] <kurt> won't work
[16:18] <kurt> no linux doom works properly
[16:18] <tim> adaran: how do i configure alsa and what do i have to do?
[16:18] <adaran> tim: spend a few weeks hunting down the docs, write ~ 40 lines of cfg files, find out how to use the wrappers to make teamspeak use alsa (or rather, capture it's oss output and reroute it) and rejoice then it runs =)
[16:19] <kurt> if you know how to get it running with sound and full screen, please help me
[16:19] <adaran> kurt: why doesn't dosbox work? i never used it though - i'm not into retro-doom =)
[16:20] <|HellTiger|> teamspeak runs nice with alsa-oss
[16:20] <Bynw> is there a way to put the hdd icon on your desktop? like it shows on a mac
[16:20] <adaran> tim: seriously, it's quite complicated. it took me a few weeks to figure it out
[16:20] <kurt> configuring cdrom and mounting c won't work
[16:20] <tim> adaran: sound pretty hard since i have kubuntu for about an hour now
[16:20] <adaran> tim: hehe, yes. the problem is you want to do many things at once
[16:20] <adaran> tim: you want to get an oss app to use alsa, and also configure alsa to use two soundcards properly
[16:21] <kurt> can someone help me to configure  dosbox please
[16:21] <tim> adaran: i just want to work/play as good as with win xp or better :|
[16:21] <adaran> tim: you can do amazing things but you'll have to handwrite an asoundrc and such. it may or may not be complicated, also depending on your soundcard (for example, does it support hardware mixing? if yes, it makes things a lot easier)
[16:21] <kurt> it's installed but
[16:21] <flaccid> !dosbox
[16:21] <adaran> tim: with that attitude, you'll never be able to, sorry =)
[16:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dosbox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:21] <adaran> tim: seriously. i've "done" that, for about 2 years, played every (almost) every game i wanted on linux
[16:22] <adaran> tim: it is a _serious_ effort though, getting all things to work and run
[16:22] <adaran> tim: if you're not interesting in doing that work, go back to windows (not meant as a flame)
[16:22] <adaran> tim: currently, i just dual boot, since i've got less time to make things work
[16:22] <tim> adaran: hehe i will do my best to get things work, but its pretty hard for a beginner. i dont really know how to start
[16:23] <adaran> tim: well you've picked the hardest part. most imported thing is getting to know your system. how /dev works, where you can configure alsa, what the difference between alsa and oss is, etc.
[16:23] <|HellTiger|> when i start the kubuntu cd in live version, it will conifg an internet connection. will it do it for an 65k modem too?
[16:23] <adaran> tim: if you don't figure that out, everything will be voodoo to you. i have to say though, alsa's docs suck serious balls
[16:24] <tim> adaran: is it so hard to integrate another soundcard for teamspeak. in windows it were 2 clicks :D btw i dont want to go back to windows ;)
[16:24] <adaran> tim: i'm guessing it's because the only people that ever use the 'advanced' features are those that already know how to =)
[16:24] <tim> hehe
[16:24] <adaran> tim: there's OSS, the "legacy" sound system and ALSA
[16:24] <|HellTiger|> just install alsa-oss and then run in terminal "aoss teamspeak"  so u can run all oss apps with alsa
[16:25] <Jeroi> tim
[16:25] <adaran> tim: note, that's on the kernel layer, above there's backends such as xine and parallel/on top of that you can have sound daemons
[16:25] <Jeroi> teamspeak do not work with amd64 kubuntu
[16:25] <Jeroi> it usese alsa 32bit
[16:25] <Jeroi> alsa-oss
[16:25] <adaran> teamspeak uses OSS, last time i checked
[16:25] <Jeroi> alsa-oss 32bit library
[16:25] <|HellTiger|> this is better then teamspeak: http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
[16:25] <Jeroi> so amd64 useses alsa-oss 64bit
[16:26] <Jeroi> and teamspeak is not working with amd64 based ubuntu systems
[16:26] <tim> |HellTiger|:  does mumble support to connect on ts2 servers?
[16:26] <adaran> tim: no, it doesn't. mumble uses it's own protocol
[16:26] <Jeroi> best coiche is to wait teamspeak3 or install 32bit if you dont already have it
[16:26] <tim> i have 32bit
[16:26] <Jeroi> ok
[16:26] <Jeroi> then you can get it working
[16:27] <tim> sound good :D
[16:27] <Jeroi> just edit your teamspeak starting script
[16:27] <adaran> oh, this is going to be good =)
[16:27] <khelll> i want to download skype, but i dont know what file to pick, debian Etch ,or Feisty Fawn
[16:27] <Jeroi> aoss teamspeak
[16:27] <bazhang> debian?
[16:27] <Jeroi> or try to open teamspeak with command aoss teamspeak
[16:28] <Jeroi> ofcourse you need to have lib: alsa-oss installed
[16:28] <tim> Jeroi: ill try, im not used to linux. im sry brb
[16:28] <adaran> tim: won't do what you need. that'll only (maybe) make it run on the same card everything else runs on
[16:28] <adaran> tim: but if that's enough, give it a shot =)
[16:29] <Jeroi> and ofocurse you need to open kmix and make your mic not muted
[16:29] <Jeroi> this is just guessing
[16:29] <Jeroi> I am using amd64 bit system
[16:30] <Jeroi> and I fought 1 day with teamspeak client
[16:30] <tim> hm i actually wanted to use my onboard sound for ts2. i can use other sound drivers within teamspeak. will that help?
[16:30] <Jeroi> could not get mic and sound working
[16:30] <Jeroi> tim
[16:30] <Jeroi> what is your problem?
[16:31] <adaran> tim: no. but every 5 minutes some guy will tell you to 'just use aoss' =)
[16:31] <adaran> tim: seriously, go looking for alsa docs, write an asoundrc. then see if you can get speaker-test to run on different devices
[16:31] <adaran> tim: after that, cat some alsa devices nodes to ensure the mics work
[16:31] <tim> i want to use onboard sound (-> headset) for teamspeak and the other (audigy2) card for the rest like games and music
[16:32] <adaran> tim: then add dsp0/dsp1/whatever devices to the asoundrc
[16:32] <adaran> tim: i have the exact same setup (onboard sound for teamspeak using headset, audigy 2 for sound output), it's possible, but, as i said a bit complicated
[16:32] <adaran> tim: unfortunately, i'm not at home, otherwise i could send you the asoundrc =/
[16:34] <tim> adaran: hm i guess at the moment thats too hard for me coz i didnt understand everything u said etc, can i use ur asoundrc or do i have to configure a lot myself? mb u could send me the file per mail
[16:34] <adaran> tim: i won't be able to get hands on that file before jan 4th or so
[16:35] <adaran> tim: you won't be able to use my aoundrc directly, but IF you knew how alsa worked, you should be able to figure out yourself, what to do - however, as i said, it WILL take hours for you to get anywhere =)
[16:35] <tim> ah k, then i will give my best to work it out myself :) hard day for me, the whole linux world opens for me
[16:36] <adaran> tim: what game do you want to play btw?
[16:36] <tim> warcraft 3 (dota)
[16:36] <adaran> tim: oh and one word of advice: never buy ATI cards =)
[16:36] <adaran> tim: haha
[16:36] <adaran> tim: that's funny =)
[16:36] <adaran> tim: because that is EXACTLY what i do/used to do
[16:36] <tim> have a 7800gt nvidia
[16:36] <tim> hehe
[16:36] <adaran> tim: 2 soundcards, DOTA through cedega, teamspeak on onboard sound =)
[16:37] <adaran> tim: well, okay, to be honest, mine is a _bit_ different, now that i remember it
[16:37] <tim> hm then ure THE guy for me :D
[16:37] <adaran> tim: i use the rear outs (surround) of the onboard sound for the headset, mic in for the teamspeak headset mic, the front speaker jack for the desktop speakers and the audigy only does 5.1 surround when watching movie on my TV
[16:38] <adaran> tim: however, once you get all that set up, it's quite easy to move things around =)
[16:38] <tim> adaran: do u have icq? would be nice to get youre nr to contact u in 1-2 weeks again
[16:38] <adaran> tim: i'd prefer jabber
[16:38] <adaran> tim: can i query you?
[16:39] <tim> adaran: y try, hope it works. i am not really used to konversation etc ^
[16:39] <adaran> tim: ah well, nevermind, it's currently blocked due to spam =/
[16:39] <adaran> tim: what instant messenger do you use?
[16:40] <tim> currently i only have icq: 135588318
[16:42] <jussi01> !register | tim
[16:42] <ubotu> tim: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[16:50] <BobSapp> whats that kdewizard that starts when you first run kde?
[16:50] <BobSapp> i need to put my settings on the lowest level
[16:50] <jpatrick> BobSapp: kpersonalizer I think
[16:51] <jpatrick> BobSapp: but I think that was removed from Kubuntu for usability
[16:52] <BobSapp> yeah thats it thanks
[16:52] <BobSapp> I probably have it because I installed kde from a Ubuntu install
[16:53] <jpatrick> BobSapp: Kubuntu KDE packages are Ubuntu KDE package
[16:53] <BobSapp> hmm
[16:54] <Jay-Oh-En> does the iFlip work on linux
[16:54] <BobSapp> ah well :)
[16:54] <Jay-Oh-En> Merry Christmas
[16:54] <BobSapp> MERRY CHRISMASU
[16:55] <nosrednaekim> you can install it
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> apt-get install kpersonalizer
[17:01] <BluesKaj> Merry Christmas , BobSapp, Jay-Oh-En
[17:04] <Jay-Oh-En> BluesKaj: thanks you too
[17:06] <limac> hey
[17:06] <hari_> Hello
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> hello
[17:07] <jussi01> !hi | hari_
[17:07] <ubotu> hari_: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[17:08] <hari_> I currently have Kubuntu 6.10 and would like to upgrade to Kubuntu 7.10 without downloading the entire CD image. Can somebody please tell me how I can do that?
[17:09] <nosrednaekim> hari_: you'd have to upgrade through 7.04
[17:10] <limac> a couple of days ago while I was using blender and there came a warning (something like slow keys or something) and I clicked ok, and from then on if i typed in anything, it wasn't showing up, so i had to re-install kubuntu. how can I fix this problem?
[17:10] <hari_> ok so how can I do that?
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> !upgrade
[17:11] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[17:11] <hari_> ok let me check :)
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> limac: you need to turn off slow keys..
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> limac: I think its in accesibility.
[17:12] <limac> where's that?
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> in system settings
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> NM... its not there
[17:13] <limac> so then where is it
[17:13] <limac> ?
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> limac: try pressing shift for about 10 seconds.
[17:14] <limac> nosrednaekim: a dialog box shows up
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> limac: is it the same dialog box?
[17:15] <limac> nosrednaekim; yeah, so what do i do in it?
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> limac: do you still have problem with slow-keys?
[17:15] <limac> not now
[17:16] <nosrednaekim> oh ok... well make sure you press no to that..
[17:16] <limac> but used to before when the entire keyboard was like say deactivated
[17:16] <MGalaxy> Hello, I need a TimeOrganizer software, could anyone help me?
[17:16] <nosrednaekim> limac: yeah, I'm not sure how to get out of that mode.
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> limac: pressing shit for a while may bring it the dialog up again
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> *sift
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> *shift
[17:17] <TuxMan> hi adaran! It still doesnt work
[17:17] <joti> Galaxy -> try kontact
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> MGalaxy: try Korganizer
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> which is in kontact....
[17:18] <TuxMan> adaran: KDE4 RC 2 stil dont work
[17:19] <TuxMan>  :-[  :-( I wna try KDE4!
[17:19] <MGalaxy> nosrednaekim: joti: thx, sorry if asked noob question :D
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> MGalaxy: no problem.... the only dumb question is the one never asked
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> TuxMan: whats wrong with it?
[17:20] <TuxMan> I still can't boot it from KDM, tho i got a lot of advice from adaran
[17:20] <joti> no prob
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> TuxMan: try this "touch .kde4/share/config/startupconfig"
[17:21] <TuxMan> OK, should i pastebin it?
[17:21] <TuxMan> no such file or directory.
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> what?
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> you ran that command?
[17:22] <TuxMan> yeh
[17:22] <TuxMan> :-(
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> TuxMan: do you have a .kde4 DIR?
[17:25] <pastor> hola a todos
[17:25] <TuxMan> i dont think so, but i g2g. cya l8er.
[17:26] <pastor> kubuntu español?
[17:26] <nosrednaekim> !es
[17:26] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[17:28] <hari_> nosrednaekim thankyou for helping me I think this upgrade will be a long process...
[17:28] <nosrednaekim> hari_: oh it will. It'd probably be easier/shorter to just go and reinstall
[17:29] <hari_> hmmm...
[17:29] <hari_> I have one more doubt how do you get to play these mp3 files in Kubuntu?
[17:30] <nosrednaekim> hari_: sudo apt-get install libxine-ffmpeg
[17:30] <hari_> ok
[17:30] <hari_> should I do that after the upgrade or can I do it now?
[17:30] <nosrednaekim> anytime...
[17:31] <limac> nosrednaekim: thnx a lot dude!
[17:31] <hari_> ok thank you once again :-)
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> limac: wat.... did... I do....
[17:31] <limac> nosrednaekim: u helped me remember, with the slo keys problem, i figured out the rest
[17:32] <nosrednaekim> oh.. ok
[17:32] <nosrednaekim> no problem then :D
[17:32] <hari_>  E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail                                                              able) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc                                                              ess using it?
[17:32] <hari_> ooops sorry
[17:32] <hari_> it showed the above error^^^
[17:32] <nosrednaekim> hari_: umm do you have adept open?
[17:32] <hari_> yes the upgrade one
[17:33] <nosrednaekim> yeah, you have to close that in order to get something with apt-get
[17:33] <hari_> ok so i will do it after the upgrade which is in progress :-)
[17:33] <nosrednaekim> ok
[17:34] <hari_> I have to go now and get some sleep while the system updates thank you and bye :-)
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> ok... bye
[17:35] <sfears> does anyone know anything about banshee
[17:39] <misslissa699626> Does anyone have a good challenge for a semi-begining kubntu fan??
[17:39] <misslissa699626> I need a goal to work toward
[17:39] <misslissa699626> already figured out beryl
[17:39] <pastor> #kubuntu-es
[17:39] <alexbobp> is there an easy way to make kde work with compiz-fusion yet?
[17:39] <BluesKaj> misslissa699626, then you may be able help those who haven't
[17:40] <misslissa699626> I am running kde and compiz works fine
[17:40] <misslissa699626> let me look up the web site i used
[17:42] <misslissa699626> do you already have it installed ALEXBOBP
[17:42] <misslissa699626> and just want to configure it
[17:42] <misslissa699626> and what exatly do you want to configure
[17:42] <misslissa699626> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4008407
[17:43] <misslissa699626> that site will help you install compiz
[17:43] <marge> ciao
[17:43] <alexbobp> misslissa699626: Yes, I have kubuntu and ubuntu and I can use compiz from gnome
[17:43] <alexbobp> I need to make it work with the kde
[17:43] <alexbobp> thanks
[17:45] <alexbobp> misslissa699626: I have compiz-fusion installed from the repos right now.  should I uninstall that first?
[17:47] <excapade> irc.freenode.net
[17:47] <excapade> hello
[17:47] <excapade> anyone there
[17:47] <excapade> i need some assistance
[17:47] <alexbobp> hello
[17:47] <ScottG> !ask
[17:47] <alexbobp> ask your question
[17:47] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[17:48] <excapade> i cant get my atheros wlan to work
[17:48] <alexbobp> can you be more specific?
[17:48] <alexbobp> do you have a devfs device for it?
[17:48] <excapade> my wlan card on my laptop dosent work
[17:49] <alexbobp> excapade: a start would be giving the model of laptop, the model of card, or the symtoms of it not owrking
[17:50] <excapade> i have an MSI laptop ER710
[17:50] <excapade> with a atheros wireless card
[17:50] <excapade> but i cant seem to get it to work
[17:50] <alexbobp> okay.  do you have a /dev/wlan0?
[17:50] <excapade> .....well..how do i find that out
[17:50] <excapade> ?
[17:50] <misslissa699626> alexbobp here is another good web site to help you out
[17:51] <misslissa699626> http://www.compiz.org/Documentation/Documentation
[17:51] <excapade> i tried using the madwifi but that dosent work either
[17:51] <alexbobp> excapade: Have you tried knetworkmanager?
[17:51] <alexbobp> misslissa699626: thanks
[17:52] <excapade> yup
[17:52] <alexbobp> does knetworkmanager fail to recognize the device, fail to recognize any networks, or fail to connect to a network?
[17:53] <alexbobp> excapade
[17:53] <excapade> i get
[17:53] <excapade> critical error
[17:54] <excapade> cannot find any wireless network interface
[17:54] <excapade> code :-3
[17:55] <alexbobp> excapade: if you can't find Linux drivers, you can use windows drivers and ndiswrapper
[17:55] <excapade> from adept manager?
[17:57] <alexbobp> use adept to get ndiswrapper and get the windows drivers from the manufacturer's website
[17:57] <excapade> alright
[17:57] <excapade> i will do that
[17:57] <excapade> will get back to u if it dosent work
[17:57] <excapade> thanksssssssssssssss
[18:05] <drofan> Hi!Does anybody know where i can get packages of kde4 built for svn?
[18:06] <drofan> >from svn
[18:06] <maduser> my removable hard drive thinks its swap
[18:06] <maduser> can I wipe a usb hard drive somehow?
[18:07] <maduser> when the device is not found?
[18:07] <erichj> kind of hard
[18:07] <BluesKaj> maduser, just delete the files
[18:07] <erichj> BluesKaj: if it's not mounted he cant
[18:07] <BluesKaj> yeah, didn't catch that
[18:08] <maduser> a remoavble usb drive
[18:08] <maduser> its mounted as swap
[18:08] <BluesKaj> maduser, got windows?
[18:08] <erichj> ...
[18:08] <erichj> why in gods name would you do that?
[18:08] <maduser> no
[18:08] <ubuntu_> buonasera
[18:08] <maduser> I have no clue how it happened
[18:09] <ubuntu_> qualcuno italiano?
[18:09] <erichj> !it
[18:09] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[18:09] <maduser> now its using the hd as swap memory
[18:09] <BluesKaj> did you have the drive plugged in whem you installed kubuntu
[18:09] <maduser> yeah
[18:09] <maduser> tried to install kubuntu on it
[18:12] <BobSapp> is there anything like charmap for linux / kde
[18:12] <_Angelus_> how can i create /dev/kqemu?
[18:14] <BluesKaj> maduser, unplug it , repartition the internal drive to have a 2G or so, swap at the end of the drive
[18:19] <qemqemqem> hello?
[18:19] <jpatrick> @hello | qemqemqem
[18:19] <jussi01> !hi | qemqemqem
[18:19] <ubotu> qemqemqem: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[18:20] <jpatrick> ah, wrong bot :)
[18:20] <qemqemqem> hey, is there a way to update from Ubuntu 6.06 to 7.10 without reinstalling from CD?
[18:20] <qemqemqem> to Kubuntu 7.10, ideally
[18:20] <jussi01> qemqemqem: yes, but you need to upgrade to 7.04 first
[18:21] <jussi01> !upgrade
[18:21] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[18:22] <jussi01> qemqemqem: you cant go edgy - gutsy in one go
[18:22] <qemqemqem> oh thanks
[18:22] <qemqemqem> but, I have to burn a CD for that
[18:23] <ScottG> not necessarily..
[18:23] <Thingus> What port does NFS server listen on?
[18:23] <Thingus> 22?
[18:23] <dorkface> Odd, the values between what I picked up on "/proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info" and "/proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state" do not match up with KDE's power manager
[18:23] <qemqemqem> another question: I have an Ubuntu 6.06 CD (that I ordered) installing on a new laptop.  Is it normal for the installer to hang on partitioning for a while?
[18:24] <dorkface> CLI says I have 91% left, power manager says I have 96% left
[18:24] <jussi01> qemqemqem: how long are we talking about?
[18:24] <qemqemqem> 10+ minutes?
[18:24] <jussi01> qemqemqem: how large is your disk?
[18:25] <qemqemqem> 320GB
[18:25] <jussi01> qemqemqem: maybe then
[18:25] <jussi01> it is formatting and stuff
[18:25] <qemqemqem> there's Vista sitting on the disk, I'd rather not erase that
[18:25] <qemqemqem> ok, thanks
[18:26] <malfi> I installed a vanilla hardy alpha 2 and followed the instructions on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php except of using gutsy I added "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main". I ran apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, and then the proposed command: apt-get install kdebase-workspace kdebase-kde4 kdebase-runtime ... first of all, I don't get a warning about the unsigned packages, so I wonder
[18:26] <malfi> if this repos is added correctly, secondly I get a "kdebase-kde4 has unmet dependencies... depends (a bunch of packages)"... any hint, what I did wrong?
[18:28] <jussi01> !brokenkde4 | malfi
[18:28] <ubotu> malfi: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[18:28] <sfears> does anyone in here use grip?
[18:29] <malfi> ubotu: gonna try that, but as it's a virgin hardy, I guess thare are nor preinstalled kde4 packages
[18:30] <malfi> jussi01: & unbreakkde4?
[18:30] <jussi01> !bot | malfi
[18:30] <ubotu> malfi: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[18:30] <jussi01> sfears: I dont, but whats the issue?
[18:31] <sfears> i can't figure out where it's ripping the tracks to
[18:31] <sfears> i've looked all thru the settings and don't see a path
[18:31] <jussi01> !grip
[18:31] <ubotu> grip is a ripping player and has a minor bug which can be solved by doing this "sudo ln -s /dev/hdX /dev/cdromN" where X is your hard drive and N a number
[18:32] <maduser> got to look for a program that wipes a usb driev on boot
[18:32] <malfi> sfears: you could always start grip with "strace -fe open grip"
[18:32] <sfears> i will try.. what does that do?
[18:32] <malfi> sfears: it will list all syscalls for opening files on the konsole
[18:33] <malfi> sfears: so you get an idea which files is opened for reading/writing bei grip
[18:33] <maduser> sfears that was for my problem not yours
[18:34] <malfi> maduser: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/usbdrive ?
[18:34] <sfears> alright so that opened grip how do i view the trace?
[18:34] <sfears> it seems to have ripped & encoded but i'm not sure where it saved to
[18:34] <malfi> sfears: well, you have to enter that command in a shell, like konsole
[18:34] <qemqemqem> so, what's the maximum time I should expect partitioning a 320GB HD to take?
[18:35] <sfears> ohh.. right right
[18:36] <jussi01> qemqemqem: it shouldnt have taken this long...
[18:36] <sfears> wtf.. that's way to much info in strace
[18:36] <sfears> i just need to know where it saves to
[18:36] <qemqemqem> ok, I'll ... try again
[18:36] <qemqemqem> thanks
[18:37] <sfears> how do i figure out what the location of my cdrom is?
[18:37] <sfears> i don't see cdrom1 in lspci
[18:37] <_Angelus_> there's already a new version of kubuntu being developed?
[18:37] <jussi01> sfears: cdrom0 ?
[18:37] <_Angelus_> O_o
[18:37] <jussi01> _Angelus_: of course
[18:38] <sfears> yeah.. but how do i confirm
[18:38] <BluesKaj> malfi, have to state the obvious , but did you check your sources.list to make sure the repos are "hardy" and not 'gutsy' ?
[18:38] <jussi01> sfears: it should be in /media
[18:38] <sfears> ohhh yeah
[18:38] <jussi01> :D
[18:38] <jussi01> _Angelus_: there is always a new version in development
[18:39] <malfi> BluesKaj: $ grep launch /etc/apt/sources.list -> "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main"
[18:39] <malfi> BluesKaj: is there a apt-command that lists all packages provided by one repository?
[18:40] <BluesKaj> malfi or alt + F2 kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:40] <ubuntu_> hi all! I'm installing kubuntu 7.04. When I'll finish, could I upgrade to gutsy? (or will I upgrade feisty's packages ..then upgrade gutsy?)
[18:41] <sfears> my k3b isn't working.. keeps crashing when i open it... grip isn't working well for me.. kaffine only rips in ogg.. what other mp3 ripping programs are there?
[18:41] <qemqemqem> so I tried to create a partition 147.3 GB in size, and it says "failed to create enough space for installation".  Is this a common problem?
[18:41] <spaci76> ubuntu_ you can upgrade to gusty now...
[18:41] <BluesKaj> ubuntu , why not just install gutsy
[18:41] <ubuntu_> spaci76:  really?
[18:41] <joti> anyone tried to get uvesafb running with gutsy here?
[18:41] <spaci76> sur
[18:41] <malfi> BluesKaj: well, there is "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main"
[18:41] <ubuntu_> spaci76:  I'm installing feisty because I don't have gutsy cd -.-'
[18:42] <spaci76> then lets go :)
[18:42] <ubuntu_> spaci76:  how should I do it ?
[18:42] <ubuntu_> I'm installing gutsy (i'm on live cd...)
[18:42] <ubuntu_> ARGH
[18:42] <jussi01> !upgrade | ubuntu_
[18:42] <ubotu> ubuntu_: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[18:42] <ubuntu_> :D feisty
[18:42] <spaci76> lol
[18:42] <ubuntu_> jussi01:  many thanks ;)
[18:42] <BluesKaj> malfi, any deb http... with # in front , delete the #
[18:43] <BluesKaj> it's called uncommenting
[18:43] <sfears> can someone help me figure out where grip saves files to?
[18:44] <maduser> how could i wipe a usb drive at boot?
[18:44] <malfi> BluesKaj: uncommented all repos except the cdrom
[18:45] <malfi> BluesKaj: ran apt-get update, but kdebase-kde4 still has a bunch of unmet dependencies
[18:45] <BluesKaj> owww, yer fooling with kde4 , sorry I can't help with that
[18:46] <malfi> Does anybody know if the launchpad kde4 packages for hardy might be broken right know?
[18:46] <spaci76> jupp BluesKaj
[18:46] <spaci76> ;)
[18:47] <eagles051387> question how do i make a copy of a conf file like my xorg.conf for instance
[18:47] <ubuntu_> eagles051387: using 'cp'
[18:48] <eagles051387> ubuntu_: cp then name of file then name of new file
[18:48] <ubuntu_> eagles051387:  cp file_to_copy /path/of/new_file
[18:48] <spaci76> cp source-file target-file
[18:48] <ubuntu_> uhm yeah
[18:49] <eagles051387> ok ty
[18:49] <spaci76> have anyone a umts connection with kppp ?
[18:50] <eagles051387> umts?O_o
[18:53] <spaci76> yes, umts exacting hsdpa
[18:54] <BluesKaj> not having seperate/ and /home partitions , i copy the file to gmail as backup
[18:54] <giuseppe> is there anyone that use amule?
[18:54] <jpatrick> !amule
[18:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amule - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:54] <BluesKaj> giuseppe, yes ?
[18:55] <BluesKaj> giuseppe, I use amule ...what's your question ?
[18:56] <FSHero> Hi everyone: Merry Christmas!
[18:56] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: well, first of all I'm able to run it only by rooy
[18:56] <BluesKaj> Merry Christmas , FSHero
[18:56] <malfi> spaci76: you know your way around the config files in /etc/, you might want to use knetworkmanager to establish a ppp-umts-session
[18:56] <spaci76> dito ... FSHero ;)
[18:57] <BluesKaj> giuseppe, did you install it with apt in the konsole or with adept ?
[18:57] <FSHero> Thx; I thought I'd pop in to say hi.
[18:57] <giuseppe> BluesKaj:
[18:57] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: adept
[18:58] <BluesKaj> giuseppe, is it listed in the kmenu/internet
[18:58] <spaci76> my umts device is not listed by knetworkmanager.. i connected at the moment with pon
[18:58] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: by the way the problem is that when I try to download server list
[18:58] <giuseppe> BluesKaj:
[18:58] <spaci76> @ malfi
[18:58] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: it closes itself
[18:58] <malfi> spaci76: create a /etc/ppp/peers/umts and /etc/ppp/peers/umts.chat then add "iface ppp0 inet ppp" "provider umts" to /etc/network/interfaces
[18:59] <malfi> spaci76: restart NetworkManager and you should see it in the tray-icon of knetworkmanager
[18:59] <BluesKaj> yeah, giuseppe you have to go to the amule site and download the server.met file from there
[18:59] <spaci76> uff ok ... sec
[18:59] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: please can u help me?
[19:01] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: u mean I have to add server.met in server list?
[19:04] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: done, I downloaded it
[19:04] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: and now?
[19:04] <RogueJediX> Is there a way to change the sound backend or whatever it is from artsd to something...better?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> copy it to the URL box
[19:05] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: I have a file called server.met
[19:06] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: what and where I have to copy...
[19:07] <BluesKaj> giuseppe, copy this to the URL  http://ocbmaurice.dyns.net/pl/slist.pl?download/server-best.met
[19:09] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: done, I pushed on download... and then the amule is closed
[19:10] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: I don't know why
[19:11] <BluesKaj> relogin giuseppe
[19:11]  * dsmith_ wonders how many new people will show up here because of xmas purchases :/
[19:11]  * BluesKaj wonders why I'm here on Christmas Day...think I need a life :)
[19:12] <dsmith_> heh
[19:12] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: done
[19:12] <dsmith_> family is here, but talk about a bunch of screaming monkeys
[19:12] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: impossible to download server list
[19:13] <ScottG> my little one is settling down a bit..
[19:13] <BluesKaj> family is all over the place  , plan on a reunion next Christmas when they're all back in Canada
[19:14] <dsmith_> all my family moved away
[19:14] <dsmith_> yay!
[19:14] <dsmith_> well kinda
[19:14] <dsmith_> this is my extennded family
[19:14] <jpatrick> !ot | dsmith_
[19:14] <ubotu> dsmith_: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[19:14] <dsmith_> yes on topic
[19:14] <dsmith_> thank you jpatrick for reminding me
[19:16] <BluesKaj> giuseppe, ok, try adding the URL i posted into the "manual server add box" in the ED2K tab
[19:17] <BluesKaj> jpatrick, hey it's Christmas ... Bah Humbug to offtopic !  :)
[19:17] <dsmith_> lol
[19:18] <jpatrick> BluesKaj: hmm, yeah, merry xmas mate!
[19:18] <biovore> dsmith_: Is the maryland-ubuntu group still planning on meeting at the GBHC Hamfest?
[19:18] <BluesKaj> merry christmas to you too , jpatrick
[19:19] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: manual server add box?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> giuseppe, yes
[19:19] <dsmith_> biovore: I dont know..
[19:19] <dsmith_> what room are you guys in now?>
[19:19] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: and then?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> click the add button
[19:21] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: nothing
[19:24] <SirChasm> test
[19:25] <SirChasm> sweet, it works
[19:26] <ScottG> !hi
[19:26] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[19:27] <SirChasm> thanks, lol
[19:27] <BluesKaj> giuseppe, in the manual add server name : Main Movie Server , then in the IP/Port : 208.53.147.27 then hit enter
[19:27] <SirChasm> soo I got a bunch of questions, figure I might as well ask here.
[19:28] <ScottG> !ask
[19:28] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[19:28] <ScottG> :)
[19:30] <SirChasm> Few days ago made the switch from XP to Kubuntu - not my first time using Linux, but it is my first time using linux as a home desktop. I have the 64-bit version installed, and I have a 32-bit Firefox with 32-bit plugins to work (although Firefox has no icon for it, which bugs me), buut my question is if right now it's possible to have a 64-bit firefox running with FLash and Java?
[19:30] <BluesKaj> giuseppe, also make sure you click on connect in top left
[19:30] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: just few seconds...
[19:32] <BluesKaj> SirChasm, I'm running FF with no probs , but I also installed ia32-libs to run 32bit programs , just in case
[19:33] <BluesKaj> <-- 64 bit kubuntu
[19:33] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: well I added Main Movie Server and 208.53.147.27 but it says
[19:33] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: server door not valid
[19:33] <jussi01> n
[19:33] <jussi01> gah, sorry.
[19:34] <cheguevara> add tvu donkey server no1, since I run it :P
[19:34] <SirChasm> BluesKaj, so you're running the 64-bit Firefox?
[19:35] <BluesKaj> yes SirChasm
[19:35] <BluesKaj> no not sorry not 64 FF
[19:36] <giuseppe> BluesKaj: now I have to go. thanks a lot and see u nect time... Merry Christmas. Ciao!
[19:36] <BluesKaj> oops , looks like I am...totally confused here SirChasm ...I've reinstalled so many times lately due to updates
[19:36] <SirChasm> hahah, ok
[19:37] <SirChasm> I just wanted to know if it was possible
[19:37] <SirChasm> I'm guessing you're using the nswrapper for the plugins?
[19:37] <TuxMan> my KDE4 install still isnt working!
[19:37] <SirChasm> (or whatever it was called)
[19:37] <SirChasm> brb
[19:38] <TuxMan> nspluginscan?
[19:38] <sparr> I am having some trouble with package pinning.  I have added a new repository, from which I want to pull one and only one package.  That seemed to work, but now for some reason a different package is being pulled from that repository.  apt sources and preferences here: http://rafb.net/p/XgNDbx80.nln.html
[19:38] <BluesKaj> yes SirChasm  i'm running  Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071204 Ubuntu/7.10 (gutsy) Firefox/2.0.0.11
[19:38] <TuxMan> can sum1 help me get KDE4 up and running?
[19:38] <TuxMan> (RC2)
[19:39] <ScottG> hmm..
[19:39] <TuxMan> I followed the instructions on kubuntu webby, but wont appear as a session in KDM
[19:39] <ScottG> !kde4
[19:39] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[19:39] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I'm trying to set up my computer as a router.  I'm using Firestarter to share a connection with my wireless connection.  The device which uses the connection is eth0.  Even though I can send information through eth0 the information doesn't come back.  My regular wireless connection works, though.  Any ideas?
[19:39] <TuxMan> I know!
[19:40]  * BluesKaj doesn't understand this fascination with kde4 , it's not stable and ready for primetime 
[19:40] <asdzxc> hi
[19:40] <ScottG> get used to it :)
[19:40] <asdzxc> i have problems with my wifi card
[19:40] <TuxMan> I hate people who ask a bot with no human intelligance to guide me
[19:40] <asdzxc> IBM ThinkPad R51
[19:40] <asdzxc> the wifi LED doesn't light up
[19:40] <TuxMan> I know a lot about comps lol
[19:40] <asdzxc> and wifi isn't working
[19:40] <jhutchins> Ertain: Here's how to do it yourself without letting someone else make the security decisions for you: ttp://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
[19:40] <asdzxc> driver ipw2200 is loaded
[19:41] <asdzxc> kubuntu 7.10
[19:41] <jhutchins> Ertain: Use that and you'll know what's going on and why it is or isn't working.
[19:41] <jhutchins> TuxMan: The bot is like a card file, it stores the URL's for guides and answers that are more elaborate than what we do here.
[19:42] <jhutchins> TuxMan: If you don't like us helping you, go elsewhere.
[19:42] <TuxMan> not you, the bot...
[19:42] <ScottG> it can be difficult for people here to just give you a magic answer without knowing exactly what you've done..
[19:42] <TuxMan> it just frustrates me =|
[19:42] <cheguevara> but the bot is one of us....
[19:42] <jhutchins> asdzxc: What does iwconfig say about the card?
[19:43] <jhutchins> cheguevara: Or are we one with the bot?
[19:43] <cheguevara> <insert evil laugh here>
[19:43] <TuxMan> here: I've done this. I installed the packages on kubuntu webby.. (A.K.A. kdebase-bin, kdebase-runtime, etc.)
[19:43] <cheguevara> :P
[19:43] <asdzxc> jhutchins what exactly do you need to know ?
[19:43] <asdzxc> for example, it says this:
[19:43] <jhutchins> wtf is a "webby"?
[19:43] <asdzxc> Power Management:off
[19:43] <TuxMan> website
[19:44] <asdzxc> unassociated  ESSID:off/any
[19:44] <ScottG> did you update the package the instructions say to update?
[19:44] <jhutchins> asdzxc: Well, that means it's seeing the card.
[19:44] <asdzxc> jhutchins but the LED doesn't light up
[19:45] <TuxMan> oops! might have missed that! =P
[19:45] <jhutchins> asdzxc: What does it call the card?  (eth1, wlan0)?
[19:45] <asdzxc> jhutchins in windows, this means it's powered off
[19:45] <ScottG> nm.. that was kdebase-binm
[19:45] <asdzxc> jhutchins eth1
[19:45] <ScottG> bin
[19:45] <TuxMan> boy am i stupid
[19:45] <ScottG> you mentioned that..
[19:45] <jhutchins> asdzxc: Ok, try iwlist eth1 scanning
[19:45] <rhkfin> Hi! Does anyone know where to find the acl manager package (name) for konqueror? Tried apt-cache search & google etc..
[19:46] <TuxMan> ack one of my side repos isnt allowing me to update!
[19:46] <asdzxc> jhutchins interesting, it found my linksys router
[19:46] <TuxMan> I have the non-main-repo version of wine, and that repo wont let me update!
[19:46] <jhutchins> asdzxc: some of the Linux drivers default to the light being off to save power.
[19:47] <TuxMan> I'll just remove the repo for now =|
[19:47] <jhutchins> asdzxc: I followed the instructiosn for one that turned it off on an old smc card, and never got it to turn back on under anything!
[19:47] <ScottG> TuxMan: I was referring to the updated kdebase-bin which you've installed.
[19:47] <jhutchins> asdzxc: If you can find the project page for the driver, you might be able to find the command to turn the light on.
[19:47] <ubuntu> hello
[19:47] <TuxMan> O.
[19:47] <ScottG> TuxMan: I assume you restarted after all this?
[19:48] <TuxMan> it still wont let me do sudo apt-get update anyway
[19:48] <TuxMan> I restarted three times lol
[19:48] <ScottG> ok.. well that covers it :)
[19:48] <rhkfin> Where to find QT UI for ACL?
[19:48] <asdzxc> jhutchins ok, thnks very much. can you advice me more wifi commands ? for example, how can i connect to my router ?
[19:48] <asdzxc> jhutchins i tried to config it via KDE-GUI-configurator
[19:48] <asdzxc> jhutchins but it doesn't work
[19:49] <TuxMan> so Scott, any commands to run that would allow me to change the xsessions?
[19:49] <asdzxc> jhutchins is takes very strange IP from DHCP
[19:49] <asdzxc> and even if i config IP manualy, it doesn't work
[19:49] <ScottG> TuxMan: I have KDE4 installed.. I had to try a few times.. I removed everything and tried again.. it eventually worked..
[19:49] <jhutchins> asdzxc: Well, there are the manpages for iwconfig and iwlist, and the man page for ifcfg will tell you what commands you can put in that file to store a permanent configuration.
[19:49] <TuxMan> aha! I'll try that lol
[19:49] <ScottG> it should be in the list of choices, it is for me..
[19:49] <asdzxc> jhutchins great, thnx, i will try
[19:50] <jhutchins> basically you'll need to set the ESSID and Key with iwconfig, then run the dhcp client (I don't remember which one kubuntu uses).
[19:51] <jhutchins> dhclient eth1
[19:52] <jhutchins> asdzxc: If you get the GUI working it is easier to roam. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[19:52] <slow-motion> hi
[19:52] <benbread> Hey i've been messing around with my wireless network config (using KNetworkManager) and now it can't find any networks to connect to - i used manual configuration and would quite like it the way it was before i started fiddling, is there anything i can do?
[19:52] <tekteen> !hi
[19:52] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[19:52] <_Angelus_> Could not open '/dev/kqemu' - QEMU acceleration layer not activated
[19:52] <_Angelus_> why?
[19:53] <TuxMan> ah I had that problem too..
[19:53] <TuxMan> i just go by without it. doesnt matter since im using it with win98
[19:53] <tekteen> benbread: type alt+F2 then ...
[19:53] <jhutchins> _Angelus_: http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/QEMU_and_Ubuntu_Breezy
[19:54] <tekteen> type "kdesu /etc/network/interfaces"
[19:54] <tekteen> no
[19:54] <jussi01> add kate tekteen
[19:54] <joti> does anyone have problems with sound&flash too ?
[19:54] <tekteen> benbread: "kdesu kwrite /etc/network/interfaces"
[19:54] <TuxMan> !hi
[19:54] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[19:54] <tekteen> jussi01: I tend to forget when I do it myself as well
[19:55] <tekteen> :-D
[19:55] <ubuntu_> halo
[19:55] <jussi01> :)
[19:55] <benbread> tekteen: I have the interfaces file up
[19:55] <tekteen> ok
[19:55] <TuxMan> !gutsy
[19:55] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Gutsy:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - New Features: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710tour - Please use bittorrent to download if possible, see !torrents
[19:55] <tekteen> can u paste it to the pastebin
[19:56] <tekteen> benbread: do u know what the pastebin is?
[19:56] <benbread> tekteen: http://pastebin.com/m169a3cf2
[19:56] <tekteen> thanks
[19:56] <jussi01> !botabuse > TuxMan
[19:56] <tekteen> remove the line "iface ath0 inet dhcp"
[19:56] <joti> does anyone experience problems with geforce 7300gt with gutsy?
[19:57] <tekteen> then save it
[19:57] <joti> in 3d mode if got all kinds of misrenderings
[19:57] <TuxMan> =P jussi
[19:57] <benbread> tekteen: done
[19:57] <tekteen> logout/in
[19:57] <joti> like stripes and i looks all like triangles and is wrong colored - rest perfect, nvidia driver
[19:57] <tekteen> see if it works
[19:57] <benbread> shall do, thanks :)
[19:57] <jussi01> joti: have you installed the restricted driver?
[19:58] <ScottG> you know you want to use a bot command :)
[19:59] <jussi01> !opabuse | ScottG ;)
[19:59] <ubotu> ScottG ;): leave the ops alone ktnxbye
[19:59] <romunov> huuuum, open office seems to have problems when run under compiz
[20:00] <biovore> romunov: yes it dose..
[20:00] <TuxMan> It's fun to sit in the middle of the information highway  :-P
[20:00] <joti> romunov its easy to fix
[20:01] <joti> there is some setting in workarounds module
[20:01] <joti> like old frame or old fullscreen mode
[20:02] <tekteen> Anyone else had a problem with compiz stopping shortcuts like Alt+F2 and Alt+Space (Katapult)
[20:02] <benbread> Ok looking good :) only problem now is it complains of no networks found when there are
[20:02] <benbread> tekteen: Shortcuts working for me, maybe it's a problem with compiz plugins binding to those shortcuts?
[20:02] <tekteen> benbread: it is a start
[20:02] <tekteen> maybe
[20:03] <TuxMan> !katapult
[20:03] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[20:03] <TuxMan> o.
[20:03] <TuxMan> i didnt know what katapult was =P
[20:03]  * joti likes katapult a lot
[20:03] <TuxMan> lol
[20:03] <tekteen> benbread: open a konsole
[20:03] <TuxMan> i'll try it out =
[20:03] <TuxMan> p
[20:04] <TuxMan> oops llol
[20:04] <tekteen> benbread: type "sudo iwlist scanning"
[20:04] <tekteen> benbread: does it see anything?
[20:04] <benbread> No scan results
[20:04] <TuxMan> oo katapult IS awesome!
[20:04] <benbread> katapault is awesome ;)
[20:04] <TuxMan> we read each others minds...
[20:05] <benbread> Scary
[20:05] <jpatrick> great minds think alike
[20:05] <TuxMan> I like KBFX way better than the K menu
[20:05] <tekteen> benbread: do not worry I have had the problem (ESP) for a long time
[20:05] <tekteen> benbread: everyone on this channel has ESP
[20:06] <TuxMan> because great minds think alike../
[20:06] <tekteen> :-D
[20:06] <benbread> Maybe i'm in the wrong channel then ;)
[20:06] <TuxMan> and its kinda hard to run linux without a great mind =P
[20:07] <tekteen> benbread: There is a problem with linux using the wireless card
[20:07] <benbread> tekteen: I had it working earlier, i guess i can't help but fiddle with things :P
[20:07] <TuxMan> Oh no I katapulted konqueror!
[20:07] <TuxMan> lol
[20:07] <tekteen> benbread: r u sure the wireless router is working?
[20:08] <benbread> tekteen: Yeah another machine is connected to it and there are loads of other networks from other people i can usually pick up
[20:08] <TuxMan> MMMM my hot cocoa is awesome
[20:08] <ubuntu> hey
[20:09] <ubuntu> noob question: I'm installing Kubuntu on a new computer.  I'd like to partition it so I have room for both Linux and Vista.  I went with the manual partitioning, and can see sda1,2,3 and 5.  I'm not sure what those are.  Anyone have advice about what to change?
[20:09] <dsmith_> !katapault
[20:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about katapault - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:09] <tekteen> benbread: type "sudo iwconfig ath0 essid NETWORK ; dhclient ath0; ifconfig ath0 up"
[20:09] <tekteen> benbread: what happened?
[20:09] <TuxMan> lol its katapult
[20:10] <TuxMan> not katapault
[20:10] <ubuntu> : (
[20:10] <benbread> tekteen: i'll pastebin it
[20:10] <tekteen> ok
[20:10] <benbread> http://pastebin.com/m466e1027
[20:10] <maduser> I finally fixed my usb problem but now i am getting a hal-storage error
[20:10] <tekteen> oops
[20:11] <maduser> now the usb hard drive is nfts
[20:11] <TuxMan> to IRC channel #supertux!
[20:11] <tekteen> benbread: samething except sudo each command
[20:12] <tekteen> sudo iwconfig ath0 essid NETWORK ; sudo dhclient ath0; sudo ifconfig ath0 up
[20:13] <benbread> tekteen: ok pastebin again?
[20:13] <tekteen> yes
[20:13] <benbread> http://pastebin.com/m407da173
[20:14] <tekteen> ok
[20:15] <benbread> maybe try a complete reboot?
[20:15] <romunov> joti: do you have any reading on this subject?
[20:15] <romunov> joti: would be most thankful!
[20:16] <tekteen> yes
[20:16] <joti> hm. not quite
[20:16] <joti> just the point that is works that way...wait
[20:16] <maduser> are there any good nfts tools
[20:16] <maduser> !nfts
[20:16] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[20:17] <joti> http://fsb.blogage.de/article/2007/9/7/Compiz-Fusion-konfigurieren
[20:17] <maduser> !NTFS-3g
[20:17] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[20:17] <joti> i came from there t the oo thing
[20:17] <joti> romunov that is all, but the oo is quite common, just do search for it
[20:18] <joti> i ended disinstalling compiz as the windowmanager is a lot worse than kwin and its completly unstable
[20:18] <joti> it just looks nice
[20:18] <joti> and if i would have wanted only looks i would got an apple and a "dumb pill"
[20:18] <joti> missing have
[20:19] <tekteen> romunov: I have compiz working
[20:19] <tekteen> !compiz > romunov
[20:20] <romunov> tekteen: i have compiz working as well, it's just that some programs still mess something up and lose their title bars
[20:20] <tucci> b
[20:20] <tekteen> romunov: I do not have that issue
[20:21] <tekteen> But if u do, I agree with joti
[20:21] <tucci> can someone help with me sync my ipod - amarok fails to do anything and banshee claims to have put the music on the ipod already, but it isn't there
[20:21] <tekteen> !ipod
[20:21] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[20:21] <asdzxc> jhutchins do i need to set encryption type ?
[20:21] <TuxMan> no, the iPod just thinks that its raw data
[20:21] <TuxMan> it only accepts music from iTunes
[20:21] <asdzxc> jhutchins i'm useing WPA2 Personal and TKIP+AES on my router
[20:22] <TuxMan> or something that can COMPLETELY mimic iT
[20:22] <tucci> tuxman: so it's not possible to sync the ipod with anything but itunes?
[20:22] <TuxMan> .. try sharpmusique
[20:23] <tekteen> tucci: u can not sync itunes store songs
[20:23] <tucci> I'll try sharpmusique (and I've never bought anything from the itunes store)
[20:23]  * tekteen does not have an ipod
[20:23] <benbread> tekteen: You're a genius
[20:23] <TuxMan> lol
[20:23] <tekteen> benbread: ok
[20:23] <benbread> Thanks :D
[20:23] <tekteen> np
[20:24] <benbread> Can i bridge wireless and wired connections?
[20:24] <TuxMan> actually... no-one in the world is technically genius.. there is always something smarter..
[20:24]  * tekteen got a new laptop a week ago
[20:24] <TuxMan> the cycle goes on forever..
[20:24] <tekteen> benbread: yes
[20:24] <tucci> tuxman: is sharpmusique in a repository - i can't find it?
[20:24] <TuxMan> !sharpmusique
[20:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sharpmusique - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:24] <TuxMan> hm
[20:25] <red> .
[20:25] <benbread> Back to the comfort of my room for me :D
[20:25] <TuxMan> ill get some info for ya  ;-)
[20:25] <tekteen> benbread: I am looking for the wireless brige guide
[20:25] <tekteen> bridge*
[20:26] <benbread> tekteen: thanks :)
[20:28] <tekteen> benbread: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/ShareEthernetConnectionThroughWireless?highlight=%28wireless%29
[20:28] <benbread> Anyone know of a 3D benchmarker for LInux? Nothing in the repositories
[20:29] <ScottG> glxgears
[20:29] <benbread> tekteen: Sorry i think i'm using the wrong terminology - what i want to do is run eth0 and ath0 together so to get a total bandwidth equal to their combined bandwidths
[20:29] <ScottG> not much of a benchmarker :)
[20:29] <ScottG> not much of a benchmarker :)glxgears
[20:30] <ScottG> oops :)
[20:30] <tekteen> benbread: there are 2 probs with that
[20:30] <TuxMan> uh oh! I g2g! add me, tucci!
[20:30] <tekteen> benbread: your internet connection would need to be that fast
[20:31] <tucci_> tuxman?
[20:31] <tekteen> do u have an oct3 at home ;-)
[20:31] <benbread> tekteen: what i really want it for is for filesharing across the LAN ;)
[20:31] <TuxMan> yeah? I g2g, srry tucci_. add me!
[20:31] <tucci_> tuxman: i don't know what that means
[20:31] <tekteen> benbread: I do not know how to do that (if there is a way)
[20:31] <TuxMan> add me to contact
[20:32] <numpy> hey all
[20:32] <tekteen> benbread: i do not think there is a way
[20:32] <benbread> Though if you've got some 154Mb/s internet connection going fancy sharing? ;)
[20:32] <TuxMan> Oh, wtheck.
[20:32] <TuxMan> tucci_:I
[20:33] <TuxMan> tucci_:cya l8er on this channel
[20:37] <maduser> yeah got my removable usb hd to work its a christmas miracle
[20:37] <benbread> i wonder what bad things would happen if i were to format and use my USB storage drive as swap and then randomly unplug it....
[20:38] <tekteen> benbread: nothing unless you activate it as swap
[20:38] <maduser> I just did that
[20:38] <maduser> and fixed it
[20:38] <maduser> now the driver is ntfs
[20:39] <tekteen> benbread: swapon DEVICE ;-)
[20:39] <BluesKaj> benbread, not a good idea to use usb drives as swap
[20:39] <maduser> I now know why
[20:39] <maduser> I had a swap usb experience
[20:39] <tekteen> BluesKaj: that is mostly for flash
[20:40] <tekteen> although it tends to be slow
[20:40] <BluesKaj> no kidding, tekteen
[20:42] <BluesKaj> if you have sufficient RAM (1G or more) , the swap partition is not avtive 99.9% of the time...unless yer gaming
[20:42] <lexxus> Hi! What is the best application to use with ipod nano?
[20:42] <poison__> cant put flash to work with 64 bits kubuntu, anyone had any success?
[20:43] <ScottG> I'd say Amarok
[20:43] <tekteen> !flash64 | poison__
[20:43] <ubotu> poison__: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[20:43] <ScottG> !amarok
[20:43] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.7 (1.4.3 for Dapper LTS). Packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[20:43] <lexxus> poison__: you probably have to install the 32 bit FF
[20:43] <poison__> TY TEKTEEN
[20:44] <tekteen> np
[20:47] <lexxus> ScottG: Thanx, it seems that it need to be recompiled from svn... must compile libgpod too...
[20:50] <soulrider> !adeptfix
[20:50] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[21:00] <ehc> is there a tool to test a microphone?
[21:02] <lexxus> ehc: I guess you can use audacity?
[21:04] <mrtimbo> hi
[21:04] <nosrednaekim> hey mrtimbo
[21:04] <jpatrick> merry xmas mrtimbo
[21:05] <mrtimbo> i tried to uninstall tiny-proxy and it ended up deleteing adept-manager and now i cant get apt-get to get online lol
[21:05] <mrtimbo> what did i do
[21:05] <nosrednaekim> you deleted apt-get?
[21:05] <mrtimbo> i told it to sudo apt-get remove tiny-proxy and it was saying that
[21:06] <mrtimbo> it was removing adept and all that
[21:06] <jpatrick> weird..
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> probably something to do with proxy settings.
[21:06] <mrtimbo> so i pulled the batt mid way and now i cant get it to do nothing lol
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> pulled the...
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> that wasn't smart...
[21:06] <mrtimbo> didnt want it to keep uninstalling adept but i was too late
[21:07] <nosrednaekim> mrtimbo: thats why you look at what it is going to do FIRST.
[21:07] <mrtimbo> so fresh install needed?
[21:07] <Jeroi> btw
[21:08] <Jeroi> is it possible to setup 2 x:'s
[21:08] <Jeroi> one is tv
[21:08] <mrtimbo> i just installed tiny proxy last night so i didnt think it would cause this mess
[21:08] <Jeroi> one is monitor
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> mrtimbo: well, apt-get doesn't work?
[21:08] <mrtimbo> no
[21:08] <Jeroi> I run media center linux on tv
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> !dualhead | Jeroi
[21:08] <ubotu> Jeroi: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[21:08] <mrtimbo> - connect (111 Connection refused)
[21:08] <Jeroi> and normal kde in monitor
[21:08] <ehc> in gnome you can go: System > Prefrences > Advanced Desktop Effects Settings where in kde is this?
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> mrtimbo: i've never seen that error before. you don't use a proxy do you?
[21:09] <lexxus> mrtimbo: dselect and aptitude is also gone?
[21:09] <mrtimbo> was just curious about them
[21:09] <mrtimbo> one sef
[21:09] <mrtimbo> sec
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> ehc: there is none by default... you need the compizconfig-control-center
[21:09] <Jeroi> ech it was in gnome
[21:09] <Jeroi> threre is not one in kde
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> !info compizconfig-control-center
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> !enter | Jeroi
[21:09] <Jeroi> only normal editing in system settings
[21:10] <ubotu> Package compizconfig-control-center does not exist in gutsy
[21:10] <ubotu> Jeroi: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[21:10] <mrtimbo>  Could not connect to localhost:4001 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[21:10] <mrtimbo> is all i get when i use aptitude so now its something else
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> ehc: oops, thats "compizconfig-settings-manager"
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> mrtimbo: why is it going to port 4001 of YOUR computer?
[21:11] <ehc> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[21:11] <ubotu> compizconfig-settings-manager: Compiz configuration settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2+git20070912-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 498 kB, installed size 3268 kB
[21:11] <mrtimbo> i dont know
[21:11] <ehc> nosrednaekim, thanks
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> ehc: the command to run it is ccsm BTW... that stumped me for a while
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> mrtimbo: were you messing around with apt-proxy?
[21:12] <icheyne> Hi all. I have got a question about NFS. How come when I specify an IP address in /etc/exports it's ignored and I get "permisson denied" at the NFS client but when I specify * instead of an IP address it works?. All the guides say I should use a range like 192.168.0.0/24 but that doesn't work.
[21:12] <mrtimbo> no just that tiny one all i did was install it
[21:12] <mrtimbo> then uninstall it
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> !into tiny-proxy
[21:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about into tiny-proxy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:13] <mrtimbo> ill just do a fresh install
[21:13] <nosrednaekim> !info tiny-proxy
[21:13] <ubotu> Package tiny-proxy does not exist in gutsy
[21:13] <jhutchins> !find tiny-proxy
[21:13] <ubotu> Package/file tiny-proxy does not exist in gutsy
[21:14] <jhutchins> http://tinyproxy.sourceforge.net/
[21:14] <tucci> could someone help me with syncing my ipod? Is it even possible to do such a thing through linux?
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> !infor tinyproxy
[21:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about infor tinyproxy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> !info tinyproxy
[21:14] <ubotu> tinyproxy: A lightweight, non-caching, optionally anonymizing http proxy. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.3-3 (gutsy), package size 64 kB, installed size 232 kB
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> tucci: yes, it is, using amarok
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> yay!
[21:15] <tucci> nosrednaekim: amarok doesn't work - I just let it spend an hour loading stuff on, and the ipod doesn't see any of it
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> mrtimbo: seems that it installed a proxy server on your computer?
[21:15] <mrtimbo> damn, i should of left well enough alone eh
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> tucci: how new is this ipod?
[21:16] <tucci> brand new
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> tucci: ah.....there is the problem
[21:16] <tucci> ?
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> Appleput a new encrytion scheme on the next-gen ones... its pretty annoying and i'm not sure about the state of the hack for it
[21:17] <spaci76> re@ll
[21:18] <tucci> nosrednaekim: fuck this is why I hate christmas
[21:18] <ehc> what is a lightweight sound player that I can have play sounds for something like xchat?
[21:18] <nosrednaekim> ehc: mpg123
[21:19] <Xplicit> how can i host a network for others from kubuntu
[21:19] <Dragnslcr> Xplicit- you mean an IRC server?
[21:20] <Xplicit> sorry i meant a wireless network
[21:20] <Xplicit> wired in then server a wireless network
[21:20] <BluesKaj> hmm, it seems the Firefox64bit / 32bit workaround is somewhat iffy for my setup....think I'll stick with Konqueror ... working ok after adding the kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:21] <ehc> what is the main compiz package?
[21:21] <Dragnslcr> I think it's compiz-fusion
[21:21] <BluesKaj> some flash heavy sites weren't responding to konq til the kubuntu-restricted-extras pkg was installed
[21:21] <Dragnslcr> Nope, it's just "compiz"
[21:22] <Xplicit> BluesKaj: the firefox 2 in gutsy is abit screwed the firefox3 betas are fairly good tho
[21:22] <BluesKaj> !compiz | ehc
[21:22] <ubotu> ehc: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[21:23] <BluesKaj> Xplicit, yeah was trying the FF3 beta2 , but it won't link to the desktop so I dropped it ...was working fine tho
[21:31] <nosrednaekim> !samba
[21:31] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[21:43] <SJrX> Can I move from edgy to gutsy?
[21:43] <BluesKaj> not directly
[21:44] <BluesKaj> adgy-feisty-gutsy
[21:44] <BluesKaj> err edgy-feisty-gutsy
[21:45] <BluesKaj> if you wanna save data , otherwise just do a clean live cd gutsy install
[21:46] <SJrX> excellent
[21:47] <SJrX> thank you my friends
[21:47] <SJrX> your dedicated service on IRC is a testiment to the open sources movement and linux. Mr. Torvalds were surely be proud.
[21:47] <BluesKaj> omigod !
[21:49] <SJrX> ?
[21:49] <SJrX> what is wrong my child?
[21:49] <xzased> hiya folks. Does anybody know of a support group for moto4lin?
[21:50] <BluesKaj> SJrX, your overly enthusiastic compliment made me blush  : )
[21:50] <BluesKaj> xzased, check on google-linux
[21:51] <sourcemaker> I have build my own kernel... based on the current stable vanilla kernel... i have also installed the nvidia module... but this module is not loading... what's wrong?
[21:52] <xzased> checked, not so lucky. I installed everything, but Im looking on info on how to flash my mobile
[21:53] <adrian__> connect #sk8videos
[21:54] <sourcemaker> I spend two evenings... without success.... ;-(
[21:54] <adrian__> hiya
[21:54] <adrian__> how can i connect to channel #sk8videos ??
[21:55] <BluesKaj> adrian__, in the server textbox /join #sk8videos
[21:55] <adrian__> mhm thanks
[21:56] <SirChasm> question: if i'm on the 64-bit OS, and I compile a tarball, then I'm compiling it into 64-bit?
[21:56] <BluesKaj> sourcemaker, I assume you've downloaded and installed the drivers for your nvidia graphics card
[21:56] <sourcemaker> BluesKaj: yes... I have
[21:57] <BluesKaj> SirChasm, yes if you used the pkg managers , apt or adept
[21:57] <sourcemaker> BluesKaj: my kernel is working fine... but the installation of the nvidia module does not work.... I have used the installation guide from the kubuntu wiki
[21:57] <BluesKaj> oops , can't seem to read properly today
[21:58] <BluesKaj> SirChasm, you have to choose a 64bit version of FF
[21:58] <BluesKaj> from the source
[21:59] <SirChasm> i guess there isn't a 64-bit version of FF3b2 then?
[21:59] <BluesKaj> SirChasm, I din't have much luck with flash and java on my 64 bit FF , I'm afriaid
[21:59] <SirChasm> although my question was more general, as I was planning on compiling pidgin myself too
[21:59] <sourcemaker> BluesKaj: any hints? How to solve the problem... I go insane... :-=
[22:00] <BluesKaj> sourcemaker, check which version you need on the nvidia site
[22:00] <sourcemaker> BluesKaj: I have the right version... I have checked
[22:00] <BluesKaj> do a search using your graphics card model
[22:02] <sourcemaker> BluesKaj: I have used the right installer... the installation process has been finished successfull...
[22:02] <BluesKaj> SirChasm, i recommend using konqueror as aweb browser for 64 bit gutsy ...it's mature design now vs the silly workaround needed for FF to run flash and java heavy websites
[22:04] <BluesKaj> sorry folks ...gotta have some turkey , BBL :)
[22:05] <batis610> how can i know current user name and his group??
[22:06] <kryniu> ktoś tu mówi po polsku :)
[22:06] <kryniu> znam angielski ale czuję sie taki zagraniczny:D
[22:06] <erichj> !pl
[22:06] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[22:06] <Dragnslcr> batis610- from a shell, whoami will tell you your username
[22:06] <kryniu> hahahaha thanks homie:D
[22:06] <erichj> heh
[22:07] <kryniu> a jest #kubuntu-pl???
[22:07] <erichj> yes
[22:07] <kryniu> hahaha dzięki raz jeszcze
[22:07] <Airforce5555> hey i dont think i have drivers installed for my soundcard (static comes out whenever i load pages)
[22:07] <Dragnslcr> batis610- K Menu -> Switch User should also show the user you're currently logged in as
[22:07] <Airforce5555> could i get help in trying to install them
[22:07] <SirChasm> BluesKaj: I'm leaning that way too I guess - if it can handle flash and Java without me jumping through hoops and ladders, all the better. I guess I'll just wait till Opera or Firefox releases a proper 64-bit version. It's taking 64-bit too long to catch on. I bought this laptop in 2004 ffs. 3 years and still software is struggling to become 64-bit.
[22:07] <batis610> and the group name
[22:08] <erichj> SirChasm: BluesKaj went to eat
[22:08] <SirChasm> i know
[22:08] <erichj> k
[22:08] <SirChasm> just leaving him a message
[22:08] <SirChasm> :p
[22:08] <Dragnslcr> batis610- System Settings -> User Management will show you what groups each user is in
[22:08] <kryniu> hiya docks!!
[22:10] <jhutchins> !flash64 | SirChasm
[22:10] <ubotu> SirChasm: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[22:10] <SirChasm> i'll look into it thanks
[22:11] <batis610> Dragnslcr: i try to fix the 'Unable to save bookmarks in /home/laf/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml.' message.... i found that it can be fixed by typing 'sudo chown your user ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml' and 'sudo chgrp your group ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml'... is there another way to fix it definitively??
[22:11] <SirChasm> does that work with all 32-bit firefoxes?
[22:12] <jhutchins> SirChasm: I dunno, the people I refer to it don't come back asking questions though, so I assume it works somehow.
[22:12] <jhutchins> That or they give up on this channel as an authoratative source :)
[22:13] <SirChasm> hehe i see
[22:14] <SirChasm> i wanna try it with the new 3beta2
[22:14] <SirChasm> and i guess i'll report back here, hehehe
[22:15] <erichj> it's amazing how much faster firefox is when you disable ipv6
[22:15] <SirChasm> ok, diff question: when you extract the tarball, don't you get the source? and therefore you need to compile the source before i can use it? I can see where in the example they extract the tarball, but i can't see which instruction compiles it
[22:15] <Sanne> SirChasm: sorry for jumping in... what do you mean with "I guess I'll just wait till Opera or Firefox releases a proper 64-bit version."? Doesn't the 64bit Firefox work?
[22:15] <SirChasm> sanne, nnot sure, that's what i'm trying to figure out
[22:15] <SirChasm> :p
[22:16] <SirChasm> does it work for you
[22:16] <SirChasm> ?
[22:16] <Sanne> SirChasm: as far as I know, it works fine. If you want proprietary plugins like Adobe flash, they are for 32bit only at the moment, but that's nothing Firefox can fix, but Adobe.
[22:17] <SirChasm> i'm aware - i wasn't really putting the blame square on firefox
[22:18] <Sanne> SirChasm: ah, ok, just wanted to make sure there are no misunderstandings :)
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[22:18] <SirChasm> ahh
[22:18] <SirChasm> wrogn winow
[22:18] <SirChasm> sorry
[22:19] <SirChasm> but i'm still confused about compiling tho - how does one compile???
[22:19] <Sanne> SirChasm: usually you shouldn't have to
[22:19] <jhutchins> !build | SirChasm
[22:19] <ubotu> SirChasm: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[22:20] <jhutchins> SirChasm: Technically, it's best to build your own deb file then install it, but most people don't bother.
[22:20] <SirChasm> Sanne: i don't know about that - latest version of Pidgin needs to be compiled, as does the last beta of Firefox
[22:21] <SirChasm> jhutchins: which is exactly why i wanna learn how to do it
[22:21] <jhutchins> You might check out the repositories at http://seerofsouls.com - he used to keep fairly recent versions of some programs backported.
[22:21] <Sanne> SirChasm: are you sure about Firefox? Usually it comes in a tar.gz with binaries in it.
[22:22] <SirChasm> ahh, maybe
[22:22] <SirChasm> lemme check
[22:24] <SirChasm> ahh yes, those are the binaries
[22:24] <Sanne> ah, good, I was getting worried ;)
[22:25] <SirChasm> ok then, so can i just run the 32-bit binaries in a 64-bit environment? or will I have to do something to them?
[22:25] <jhutchins> Also available as source tarballs though.
[22:25] <Sanne> SirChasm: generally you can run 32bit on amd64, but you might have to install some 32bit support libraries.
[22:26] <Sanne> Sir
[22:26] <Sanne> sorry
[22:26] <SirChasm> jhutchins: do you know where they are?
[22:26] <jhutchins> mozilla.com, I suspect....
[22:26] <Sanne> SirChasm: generally, when you run a 32bit binary, any library that it needs has to be 32bit also
[22:26] <jhutchins> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Download_Mozilla_Source_Code
[22:28] <khelll> what to do to have media player extension for firefox???
[22:29] <BluesKaj> Sanne, FF 64 bit works but the flash and java plugins need a work around , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[22:29] <dthacker> khelll: what type of media?
[22:30] <khelll> am using firefox and i got "click here to download plugin" and it redirected me to windows media player
[22:30] <Sanne> BluesKaj: Yes, I followed that when I set it up some time ago, worked well, thanks (I was replying to SirChasm's questions).
[22:32] <dthacker> kelll: there is a flash plugin, it currently has some installation issues, see the topic in #ubuntu for a link.  I do not know of a plugin that will play .wma files.
[22:32] <BluesKaj> Sanne, yes , I know that but the workaround is flawed on mysetup , so i wish 64 bit webusers would try konq ...at least it works natively in 64 bit
[22:32] <SirChasm> blues, with flash and java, and the whole shebang?
[22:32] <BluesKaj> yessir. SirChasm
[22:33] <SirChasm> oh wow
[22:33]  * SirChasm is impressed
[22:33] <Sanne> BluesKaj: Konqueror is very nice and I use it also, but I'm very much used to Firefox and it's great extensions though, especially for web development.
[22:33] <BluesKaj> i even got the Hallmark site work last nite sending ecards to relatives
[22:34] <Sanne> BluesKaj: which flash plugin dies Konqueror 64bit use? Surely not the Adobe 32bit one?
[22:34] <SirChasm> ok, I'm reading about nspluginwrapper: so does it only work for Flash, or all 32-bit plugins?
[22:34] <BluesKaj> SirChasm, it's not really difficult , just gotta install the plugins first , then scan and use them in konqueror/plugins
[22:36] <BluesKaj> SirChasm, for web browsing that is
[22:37] <mrtimbo> back
[22:37] <BluesKaj> Sanne, well, i cheated and installed the ia32-libs pkg :)
[22:38] <Sanne> BluesKaj: ah, hehe ;)
[22:38] <SirChasm> still wondering about nspluginwrapper... :P
[22:38] <BluesKaj> Sanne, also the kubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:39] <khelll> how shall i know what version of kubuntu i have on my machine ?
[22:40] <Sanne> khelll: lsb_release -a
[22:40] <BluesKaj> SirChasm, that nspluginwrapper is already installed on konqueror
[22:41] <SirChasm> i'm wondering about teh firefox - they make it seem so esy tog et the 32-bit flash working with 64-bit FF, so i was wondering if the other plugins are the same
[22:42] <blekos> hello, i have enabled restricted drivers for my nvidia but when i start kubuntu i dont see nvidias logo
[22:42] <blekos> is that normal?
[22:42] <jpatrick> blekos: yeah, startup thing's aren't allowed in (k)ubuntu
[22:42] <BluesKaj> dunno SirChasm , I gave up on FF : P
[22:43] <blekos> what exactly do you mean?
[22:43] <blekos> so, if i uninstall them and manualy install them will i get the the nvidia logo?
[22:43] <SirChasm> BluesKaj: if you can't tell yet, i am quite stubborn :p
[22:44] <SirChasm> blekos, why do you need to see the nvidia logo so badly?
[22:44] <blekos> i dont
[22:44] <SirChasm> so what's so bad about not seeing it? :P
[22:44] <blekos> but since i am a newbie i dont know how to check if it is properly installend and have 3d accel.
[22:45] <blekos> once i was told a command that i could run on terminal
[22:45] <SirChasm> restricted-manager?
[22:45] <blekos> i would see smg like gringes ?? (dont know the exact english word)
[22:46] <blekos> restricted managers seems ok, does in the system menu->setings->screen etc
[22:46] <BluesKaj> SirChasm, I hope you get FF working ...konqueror was a bit of fun to get setup right , but it isn't necessary to run 32bit plugins
[22:48] <SirChasm> blekos, i'm just saying when I run the command "restricted-manager" it shows me that my nvidia accelerated graphics driver is "enabled" and "in use" with a satisfying green light next to it. I generally trusted the system that it was installed properly when I saw that.
[22:55] <CheGuevara> blekos: glxinfo | grep direct
[22:57] <blekos> ok i have direct rendering :D
[22:59] <gfrw> Hello, I have a question: In which way I could deactivate the automatic freedb-request when I put any kind of media-file e.g. in my CD-device? Can you give me any tip, where I could get more information?
[23:01] <CheGuevara> blekos: means everything is working fine then :P
[23:02] <blekos> yes :D
[23:03] <BluesKaj> gfrw, I'm not sure but you could check in system settings/notifications
[23:09] <blekos> does anybody know if in KDE4 can have 2 panels? (eg.one on top one on bottom)
[23:09] <joti> kde3 could that to
[23:09] <joti> got that here
[23:09] <joti> kde3 could have 4 panels
[23:10] <CheGuevara> doesn't mean kde 4 can :P
[23:10] <sourcemaker> how often is the kubuntu mailing-list send a day?
[23:10] <joti> *g*
[23:10] <jpatrick> sourcemaker: holidays, not many people around
[23:10] <gfrw> BluesKaj : thx 4 your tip, but I doesn't found there anything usefull
[23:11] <sourcemaker> jpatrick: hmm... ok
[23:11] <blekos> i'm using kde3 and have 2
[23:11] <jpatrick> sourcemaker: however you can check out my mail of today
[23:11] <CheGuevara> blekos: what do you want to have on the second panel
[23:11] <blekos> panels
[23:11] <CheGuevara> you can just add the appropriate plasmoid i believe
[23:11] <blekos> on one panels i have shortcuts for applications and other desktops (top panel)
[23:12] <sourcemaker> jpatrick: is there a irc channel for kernel questions avail?
[23:12] <blekos> bottom panel is useful for seeing open progs
[23:12] <CheGuevara> sourcemaker: #ubuntu-kernel
[23:12] <blekos> dont like to have them squeezing all in one
[23:12] <blekos> and just wandering if kde4 allows u to have 2 panels
[23:13] <CheGuevara> blekos: it doesn't look like it, but you can remove certain plasmoids and then add them again and drag them to where you want them to be
[23:13] <sourcemaker> !pastbin
[23:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:13] <jpatrick> !pastebin
[23:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[23:13] <sourcemaker> jpatrick: sorry... I did not remember the url
[23:16] <blekos> i've tried a few minutes with live cd but there were not much i could do...
[23:16] <m1k3> How do you get the SanDisk Cruzer USB Flash Drives to work?
[23:17] <m1k3> on Kubuntu
[23:17] <lexus_> Hello everybody
[23:18] <lexus_> russian?
[23:20] <jpatrick> !ru
[23:20] <ubotu> Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[23:20] <jpatrick> damn
[23:20] <CheGuevara> too late :P
[23:20] <CheGuevara> wtf is qzyke
[23:20] <CheGuevara> should be yazyke
[23:20] <CheGuevara> and not dlq, but dlya
[23:21] <jpatrick> change it then
[23:21] <CheGuevara> how :P
[23:21] <jpatrick> ./msg ubotu !no, ru is <reply>Blah..
[23:22] <m1k3> I need help my Flash drive wont work
[23:22] <m1k3> When I plug it in
[23:22] <m1k3> It doesn't end up in the system:/media place
[23:23] <CheGuevara> thx jpatrick
[23:31] <sourcemaker> jpatrick: nice... the kernel channel could not help me ...
[23:34] <blekos> hi, i trie to install a new icon theme from kcontrol but i get this msgs
[23:34] <blekos> trying to create local folder /home/blekos/.kde/share/icons/.: Permission denied
[23:34] <blekos> QFile::writeBlock: File not open
[23:34] <blekos> tried to google but didnt find smg relevant
[23:39] <rebugger> hi
[23:40] <CheGuevara> !hi | rebugger
[23:40] <ubotu> rebugger: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[23:43] <theunixgeek> Would GTK+ apps fit in well in KDE?
[23:43] <theunixgeek> I'm interested in starting GTK+ apps but KDE is so good....
[23:44] <Delvien> gtk and KDE play nice with eachother if its nothing to do with kicker or gnome-panel
[23:45] <Delvien> personally i think QT apps are ugly unpolished pieces of dog doo, but thats just me
[23:46] <theunixgeek> Because I got "Foundations of GTK+ Development" for Christmas today :P
[23:46] <theunixgeek> I just wanted to make sure that styles would be OK.
[23:47] <unix_infidel> can anyone recommend a cross platform cue sheet generator?
[23:47] <Delvien> theunixgeek could always run gnome :P
[23:47] <Delvien> theunixgeek in a virtualmachine
[23:48] <theunixgeek> How do I install KDE 4 on Kubuntu? I can't find any info online.
[23:48] <theunixgeek> Then again, I'm probably not searching well enough...
[23:48] <Delvien> sec
[23:49] <Delvien> theunixgeek: if you already have KDE installed :http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[23:49] <Delvien> under instructions
[23:49] <theunixgeek> Delvien: thank you
[23:49] <Delvien> np
[23:49] <Delvien> its nice, but slow
[23:49] <senorpedro> how can i install kde4 for testing? are there any deb packages or do i have to make the configure && make dancwe?
[23:49] <senorpedro> -w
[23:49] <senorpedro> !help kde4
[23:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about help kde4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:49] <senorpedro> !kde4
[23:49] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[23:50] <Delvien> senorpedro i just stated how to