[06:32] <jed> hi... im running gutsy right now, is there a way that i can update my just xorg to hardy alpha2?
[06:48] <pwnguin> not easily
[06:48] <pwnguin> bah
[07:37] <ramvi> You know when you go to Sound and choose what channels you want to change the volume of with your hotkeys? How can I set that option with a command?
[07:37] <ramvi> oh, not application development. sorry
[09:21]  * GoldenPony notes that she nuked u-r-e's old structure, and took it over, persia 
[09:21] <GoldenPony> then again, i thought you fixed that ages ago!
[09:21] <GoldenPony> er, jpatrick did
[09:22]  * GoldenPony hopes jpatrick committed to bzr, though
[09:27]  * persia gives GoldenPony an apple
[09:28]  * GoldenPony munches happily
[09:37] <superm1> hm so did the buildd's decide to stop working on xmas?  it appears i have both ppa's and regular builds failing as they try to jump into the chroot
[09:38] <superm1> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11056442/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-sparc.vlc_0.8.6.release.d-0ubuntu3_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[09:38] <superm1> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11060246/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.ubiquity_1.7.2%2Bmythbuntu2_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[09:40] <persia> I've a few of those too, but don't expect anyone to be around to fix them :)
[09:52] <StevenK> It looks like libstdc++6 or apt is busted
[09:53]  * persia suspects libstdc++6, which had a very recent update
[09:55]  * minghua sighs.
[09:56] <minghua> When you have thousands of choices for your test case, and you chose one that gives the same answer for both correct and wrong code, what is it trying to tell you?
[09:57] <persia> minghua: The sound of one hand clapping.
[09:58] <minghua> persia: Hmm.  Does that mean "it is not trying to tell me anything"?
[09:58]  * minghua is just being a bit superstitious.
[10:04] <persia> minghua: Rather that if you write test code that succeeds for both good and bad code, you've asked the wrong question.  At this point, all answers are correct.
[10:08] <minghua> persia: Of course.  But the question was randomly chosen, it was just any date in a twenty-year span, after all.
[10:09] <persia> minghua: You're still thinking narrow.  If a test succeeds for both correct and incorrect code, it is the wrong test.  I suspect the problem is not with the date that was chosen.
[10:09] <minghua> There are probably much more than one date that is a wrong test case, but still.
[10:10] <minghua> persia: It is.  The code is fixed now.  (The test case is left alone, more other test cases are added.)
[10:12] <minghua> persia: I was just ranting, and thanks for listening. :-)
[10:12]  * persia goes back to other things, believing that the addition of more test cases changes the nature of the test, and that the original question was still not the correct question if the answer could be valid for incorrect code.
[11:41] <superm1> Hobbsee, with your archive adminy privs, could you fix hardy on the buildd's, or will we need to wait for a release manager for that?
[11:42] <Hobbsee> superm1: you'll need someone with root on the buildds for that, which isn't me.
[11:42] <Hobbsee> probably infinity or elmo or someone
[11:42] <superm1> okay so after the holidays then :)
[11:45]  * Hobbsee doesn't even have access into the data centre, let alone root on the buildds
[11:46]  * Nafallo had permanent access to that datacenter a while ago :-)
[11:46] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: you suck.  i'm envious.
[11:46] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: how'd you manage that?
[11:46] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: worked for their ISP
[11:46] <Nafallo> #
[11:46] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[11:47] <StevenK> Nafallo: Not any more?
[11:48] <Nafallo> StevenK: nope
[11:49] <Nafallo> working in shared hosting now
[15:50] <x-ip> hi, i ask for help to make a package from this proyect http://wiki.aonx.com.ar
[15:51] <x-ip> its a gpl proyect, its in spanish and i can help to translate what is needed
[15:51] <x-ip> some volunteer ?
[18:42] <blerk> where can i ask a hardy related question?
[19:51] <sparr> are package pinning questions on topic?
[19:52] <crimsun> generally, no.
[19:54] <sparr> ok
[20:09] <wasabi> Hey, how does one enable apport on a relase?
[20:09] <wasabi> It' confusing me. The crash procfs stuff is set right...  not sure what part of the stack is supposed to make dialogs pop up on my session
[23:48] <bardyr> i dont know if this is the right channel but its my best bet :), i want to make a external USB harddrive to a portable ubuntu with vmware server that i can plug in different machines and run my VM's and do some network testing, etc. i was thinking of putting the ubuntu desktop live cd on it and then update it and install all restricted drivers so it will work on most PC's, but whats the best way to do it?
[23:48] <bardyr> is it just extracting the live cd and update/install the things i need?
[23:49] <pygi> bardyr, hello
[23:50] <pygi> a) It's not that easy, but you can use Reconstructor to modify livecd environment
[23:50] <pygi> b) this is not the right channel
[23:52] <bardyr> pygi okay thanks, i'll shot up now :)
[23:52] <pygi> bardyr, just ask if you have questions, it's quiet anyway