=== Pumpernickle is now known as Pumpernickel === Amaranth is now known as Sa\nta === Sa\nta is now known as Gri\nch [07:05] ScottK: Merry Christmas. === Gri\nch is now known as Amaranth [07:38] You know when you go to Sound and choose what channels you want to change the volume of with your hotkeys? How can I set that option with a command? [07:38] * Hobbsee suspects that's an #ubuntu question [07:39] as it's support [07:39] oh right. sorry [09:59] can someone tell me what "This bug is not recorded as needing to be fixed in xorg (Ubuntu). " means on bug 177870 ? [09:59] Launchpad bug 177870 in xorg-server "SGI licenced code in Xorg is non-free" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177870 [10:01] on reflection - is that a #launchpad question? [10:04] Kamping_Kaiser: It's more of an #ubuntu-bugs question. The main reason is that the xorg-server source package provides the xorg binary package. [10:04] heh. new channel i'm not aware of :/ [10:05] persia, thanks for the answer. i'll follow up in #ubuntu-bugs === rob1 is now known as rob === nuu is now known as nu === nu is now known as nuu [11:58] * Hobbsee updates KmosReport [12:02] persia: thanks for uploading gnusim8085 package. :-) === LucidFox is now known as Sikon_Stargate === Sikon_Stargate is now known as LucidFox [13:17] Hi, does anyone know whether there will be an epiphany-webkit package? === bigon` is now known as bigon [13:27] !epiphany-webkit [13:27] Sorry, I don't know anything about epiphany-webkit - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [13:33] slytherin: Deferred. Try midori [13:33] midori? [13:33] !midori [13:33] Sorry, I don't know anything about midori - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [13:33] Hello All [13:33] :) [13:33] Nafallo: GTK + webkit. [13:33] persia: BDSM pornstar? :-) [13:34] !info hardy midori [13:34] Package hardy does not exist in gutsy [13:34] LOL [13:36] !info midori hardy [13:36] midori: Fast and lightweight web browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.12-1 (hardy), package size 55 kB, installed size 208 kB [13:40] * Nafallo likes the physical Midori better :-) === bigon is now known as bigon` === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [14:39] just poping in for a sec to tell everyone Merry Christmass, now time to open presents with the kiddos [14:39] everyone have a good day /me is afk for the next ~24 hours [14:39] imbrandon: merry x'mas! === asac_ is now known as asac === bigon` is now known as bigon === bigon is now known as bigon` === bigon` is now known as bigon === bigon is now known as bigon` === bigon` is now known as bigon [16:00] hi, i ask for help to make a package from this proyect http://wiki.aonx.com.ar [16:00] its a gpl proyect, its in spanish and i can help to translate what is needed [16:00] some volunteer= ? [17:01] x-ip: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing#head-f4c6048b1531f4e4fe48f096350ea435d40ed9f5 [17:06] Morning, crimsun. [17:10] 'morning, tritium' [17:10] hmm, misplaced left ring finger [17:12] Merry Christmas from Virginia :) [17:13] the same from the capitol area [17:14] Thanks. [17:21] Hello, I have a problem using update-alternatives, I issued this command: sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-ubuntume.so 10, and I got this error: [17:21] mv: cannot stat `usplash-artwork.so': No such file or directory [17:21] update-alternatives: unable to rename usplash-artwork.so to /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so: Invalid cross-device link [17:23] ah good to know: You may announce your upload to #ubuntu-motu not more then once per day [17:24] so here is my daily announcment: I'm searching for some motu to review my package gcutils http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=gcutils [17:26] AnAnt: is that in your package's postinst? [17:26] crimsun: yes, also I tried to run it manually, still got the same problem [17:28] crimsun: so ? [17:28] did you --remove it first? [17:28] update-alternatives --remove usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-ubuntume.so [17:28] crimsun: why --remove ? I want to add /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-ubuntume.so as an alternative [17:29] AnAnt: to erase any existing links. [17:29] it seems to work here fine for a bogus file [17:30] you're using hardy, not gutsy, correct? [17:30] anyways I did that --remove line, still the --install didn't work [17:30] gutsy [17:31] pastebin `ls -l /usr/lib/usplash; update-alternatives --display usplash-artwork.so` [17:33] crimsun: http://pastebin.com/m4d108f8c [17:36] (looking now) [17:39] ok, and `ls -l /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so`? [17:39] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 2007-10-02 09:17 /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so -> /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-ubuntuME.so [17:41] ok, first it needs to be in auto mode [17:41] why ? [17:41] next, --remove the usplash-ubuntuME.so one [17:41] then --install the usplash-theme-ubuntume.so one [17:41] why auto and why remove usplash-ubuntuME.so ? [17:42] because you need to tell the alternatives system to handle the link instead of assuming that the administrator wants it set to whatever s/he did [17:44] the remove is in place because the other templates I'm inspecting use it [17:44] but I don't want to remove the usplash-ubuntuME.so alternative [17:45] ... [17:45] can't it have 3 alternatives ? [17:45] sure, but it's on manual. [17:45] only 2 ! [17:46] aha [17:47] I had to make it auto [17:47] but I don't have to remove usplash-ubuntuME.so alternative ! [17:47] if you want the alternatives system to choose automatically the lowest one, true. [17:48] s/lowest/highest priority/ [17:48] so in manual mode I can only have 2 alternatives ? [17:48] no, not at all, you're not limited [17:49] I didn't understand that you want to keep more than one around [17:49] aka, I thought usplash-ubuntuME.so was the obsolete version of usplash-theme-ubuntume.so [17:51] (e.g., the various -artwork-usplash maintainer scripts I'm inspecting assume this latter use case) [17:52] ic, how to return to manual mode ? [17:53] just set it manually [17:53] (from a prompt) [17:53] thanks for the link crimsun, i'll check it and try out after a little rest [17:54] ok [17:54] thanks, [17:54] np === bigon is now known as bigon` === MenZano is now known as MenZa [18:14] crimsun, you still around? [18:15] yes [18:16] i noticed something really odd on a laptop that i upgraded to gutsy with a usb headset. it appears that the mixer controls are broken [18:17] and that audio will only come out one earphone [18:17] so i was looking to start to debug what was broken, but haven't the faintest where to start [18:17] the mixer applet should (and alsamixer may) exhibit that. amixer is known to work correctly. [18:18] what's the SSID of the usb audio device [18:18] hm okay. let me give skype a shot using amixer [18:18] how do i grab the ssid of it? [18:18] lsusb -v [18:20] i dont see anything entitled ssid on that, here is the lsusb output however: http://pastebin.com/m5731904a [18:20] (its just for that device) [18:21] SSID is the subsystem identifier. You'll rarely, if ever, see it explicitly labeled as such. [18:21] ah [18:22] right, USB. So you won't even have an SSID in many cases. In that case you could go with the vendor:dev ID, which is 047f:c001 [18:23] SSIDs are mainly useful for other PCI devices in which the vendor:dev ID is too general. [18:23] so usually devices other than usb will have an SSID then [18:24] no, sometimes USB devices have SSIDs [18:24] ISA and MCA devices don't IIRC === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [18:27] sec, looking through device tables. [18:27] ah, excellent. [18:28] I bet you need a usbquirk entry. [18:28] within the kernel module for usb audio? [18:28] make sure that both alsamixer and amixer don't control the mixer elements correctly, first. [18:29] yes, it would be in sound/usb/usbaudio.c or sound/usb/usbquirks.h [18:32] crimsun, okay it appears i can modify the mixers together using amixer [18:32] but alsamixer and the applet both break when trying to change one or the other [18:33] additionally skype only works from one earphone no matter what the volume, but other apps seem to work fine, so i might be apt to just blame that on skype [18:33] can you work around that ("skype only works from one earphone") for now using amixer? [18:34] let me see. [18:34] is the symptom reproducible using Hardy Alpha 2? [18:34] i wiped my hardy vm a few days ago to make some space, i'll have to rebuild it to see [18:35] has a quirk already been added for my device in hardy? [18:35] well it appears i can get skype to work from both earphones by changing the devices among hw:blahblah to plughw:blahblah in skype settings, so that isn't a worry. [18:36] no, but I need to narrow whether it's a control layer regression (you're not the first to report such with a usb audio device, and I've experienced it myself in Hardy with my onboard HDA) or a driver issue [18:36] ah [18:37] the relevant sources are alsa-lib and alsa-utils for the former [18:38] superm1: hello, concerning your xfce4-terminal issue, I think it's worth ontaxting upstream [18:38] alsa kernel modules still aren't moved to lum it looks like. eh, a git checkout of the whole kernel will take ages on the connection i'm on [18:38] *contacting [18:38] jeromeg, any particular list to forward it on to? [18:38] maybe xfce4-dev [18:39] superm1: lum in hardy will not have alsa; it remains in linux. [18:39] i'll give you the adress in a minute [18:39] 1.0.15 is pretty stable [18:39] crimsun, for some reason I thought I recalled discussion of it being put into lum, but if its stable i guess there isn't any worries [18:40] it would have required far too much hackery for linux-headers [18:40] superm1: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/goodies-dev/ [18:40] xfce4-terminal is part of the xfce goodies [18:41] jeromeg, okay thanks. i'll see if i cant shoot a message up that way [18:41] superm1: you cna contact benny directly i think === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === bigon` is now known as bigon [19:24] crimsun, okay i just got a hardy based vm up and running, and using alsamixer appears to properly control the volume of both left and right at the same time [19:25] excellent, then it's not an alsa issue. [19:25] SEP, as many would say ;) [19:25] haha [19:26] makes it a bit harder for me to backport some sort of fix to gutsy in the interim though too :) [19:27] not really, just backport Hardy's alsa-lib and alsa-utils [19:27] [what I really should have said above is "not an alsa issue in Hardy"] [19:29] good call. easy enough [19:44] gah i must be a geek when i would rather type "ls -l| grep 12-25 | grep deb | grep -v ddeb | awk '{print $8}' | grep -v doc | grep -v dev | xargs sudo dpkg -i" than figure out what debs were produced from a pbuilder [19:45] and you would be even more of a geek to combine those grep expressions, where applicable, into awk ones ;) [19:45] hehe [19:49] superm1 or crimsun: I just got my first iPod. As a Kubuntu user, is Amarok what I want to manage it? === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [19:50] ScottK2, yeah that or gtkpod will do [19:50] which series however? [19:50] for the touch, and the new classic, you need the newer libgpod [19:50] It's the new nano. I'm working on backporting the new libgpod right now. [19:50] ScottK2, i already did that [19:50] look on the ipod-touch ppa [19:51] Ah. Cool. [19:51] also rebuilt amarok, gtkpod, banshee and a few others against it [19:51] Cool. Saves me a lot of trouble. [19:51] yeah, everyone seems to miss that ppa, i'm not sure how to let more people know about it :) [19:52] superm1: You might write an Ubuntu wiki page about it. [19:52] i did [19:52] its on the iPhone & iPod touch wiki pages [19:52] OK. [19:52] As an iPod novice, I wouldn't have known iPod touch was what to look for. [19:53] ah yeah good point. when i assembled the ppa, i didn't realize how many other devices it would be applicable for [19:54] superm1: Have you got a link for your wiki page. I can't find it. [19:54] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone [19:55] ipod-convenience is only needed for iphone and ipod-touch though [19:55] you just need to enable the ppa and update libgpod, and other related apps from the ppa [19:56] Cool. Thanks. [19:57] have fun with it :) [20:01] wonderful. newer alsa-driver/alsa-lib/alsa-utils does appear to fix it. thanks crimsun [20:01] superm1: One comment on your version numbering... 2:1.4.8-0ubuntu1~gutsy1+ppa1 is a higher version number than an official backport might get. I'd suggest something like 2:1.4.8-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1 for future efforts. [20:02] ScottK, well the goal was to make it higher than the backport [20:02] np. [20:02] because the backport isn't rebuilt against libgpod3 [20:02] whereas this is [20:03] Understand. Generally I think it's better to keep ppa versions lower than official ones. [20:04] agree to an extent [20:04] someone using a ppa will probably want the ppa to be a higher priority than a regular archive while they are on say gutsy [20:04] but when they upgrade to hardy [20:04] they'd like the hardy version to take priority [20:05] even if they still had the ppa one installed === bigon is now known as bigon` [20:08] so for example the other day when that amarok backport came through, there were posts on the forums of people not sure why all of a sudden "artwork stopped working when they did an update", but it was because the ppa was lower than the backport version [20:14] Right, but someone using a PPA had to set it up explicitly. [20:14] It might be useful to recommend someone installling from PPA not enable backports. [20:15] superm1: It all installed fine, but it doesn't seem to want to connect via Amarok. [20:15] I can browse the iPod just fine with D3lphin. [20:15] ScottK2, hm. you can attempt gtkpod instead. [20:16] It asks me for a pre-mount command. [20:16] you shouldn't need one for the nano/classic [20:16] OK. [20:16] only the iphone/ipod touch need them [20:18] I'd like to get amarok working, so I'll fiddle with it a bit. Thanks. [20:19] superm1: Do I need ipodslave? [20:19] ScottK2, ah i had assumed it was installed by default [20:19] in kubuntu [20:19] there is a kde io slave you need for it yes [20:20] OK. It wasn't. [20:20] I don't think. [20:20] Thanks. [20:20] that's probably worth adding to the wiki pages [20:21] You mention it on yours. That's how I knew to ask. [20:26] superm1: That did it. Thanks again for all your help. === bigon` is now known as bigon [20:28] no prob [20:28] ScottK2, if you get a few moments, maybe can you make another wiki page explaining what is necessary for the newer nanos/classics then? [20:49] merry x-mas all, is there a debootstrap script for hardy? [21:03] sommer, yeah grab debootstrap from hardy repos and you can debootstrap into it [21:04] superm1: ah... thanks man [21:05] np [21:23] ScottK2 / superm1 : no i never got arround to filing the MIR for ipodslave [21:24] imbrandon, are you going to? [21:24] i suppose it would make sense to at least be a recommend on amarok [21:24] superm1: yea, i had planned to [21:25] infact i might have even done the MIR for it but not the actual work [21:25] not sure, i need to follow up === santiago-ve is now known as foursixnine === foursixnine is now known as santiago-ve [22:11] What would you recommend for someone who wants to get into ubuntu development? I mean as far as programming languages and a starting point? [22:14] Which package creates /lib/modules directory ? === azeem_ is now known as azeem [22:20] merry christmas :) [22:20] how can I fix this error? http://pastebin.com/m78929a0a [22:27] Vorian: are you sure you have your own key in the gpg keyring? [22:28] jas01: I just started contributing, and started by trying to fix some bugs... you can start by reading here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing [22:29] jas01: but if you know a certain programming language i'm pretty sure, that help is needed, but i don't know that much about that... atm it seems the christmas quietness finally has arrived here ;) [22:30] Larose: run "dpkg -S /lib/modules" to see which packages you have installed which will create that directory [22:32] awen_: ok! thanks :) [22:33] awen_: thanks [22:34] jas01: but if you are planning to learn some language, it seems that python programmers is highly needed for a lot of smaller configuration tools etc. both for kubuntu and ubuntu :) [22:36] Vorian: "gpg -K" lists the secret keys you have in the keyring; check that the emails you uses is on the list [22:38] awen_: i'm glad to hear that because I enjoy working with python. i assume that shell scripting is another large part of package development [22:40] update topic.. REVU is back =) === Kmos changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Unmet Deps time! http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/debcheck/ | QA resources from http://qa.ubuntuwire.com | REVU is back - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com [22:42] jas01: haven't worked with it myself; so try to avoid bugs from python based packages atm :) ... but then i'm sure that something might be around [22:44] have you tried asking in the #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-devel rooms... might very well be someone better to talk to there [23:07] awen_, aye, it't correct [23:07] (sorry, stepped away for a moment) [23:09] Vorian: kan you do a manual debsign? [23:10] kan=can [23:11] yeah, it autosigned my .dsc [23:12] Vorian: so it signed it, but you still get an error? [23:12] hmm [23:12] never mind [23:12] found the error [23:12] sorry [23:12] Vorian: okay :) [23:12] bad Vorian [23:13] Vorian: can happen to us all... it's getting late, at least where I am ;) [23:13] hehe [23:56] night people