[00:03] CheGuevara: milk with tea or coffee is an English thing [00:03] not done where I come from [00:03] I hear they put ice in their whisky too [00:03] nah milk with coffee is everywhere [00:03] goodness no, defeats the point to dilute the taste [00:04] although in the Canary islands they use condensed milk which is quite nice [00:04] coffee and cream may be [00:04] talking of English curiosities.. [00:04] i wouldn't know i hate coffee in any form === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Merry Boxing Day to all | Next meeting: 2nd January [00:04] heh === Huahua is now known as Shely [02:30] firefox had a qt port [02:30] it was just unfinished [02:30] hmm really? [02:30] when was this [02:31] ages ago [02:31] firefox 1.x [02:31] ah [02:32] http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-627979.html [02:33] looks like trolltech started working in it, but stoped [02:41] [02:47] lol i was cleaning my keyboard [02:48] :P [03:45] Hobbsee: ! [03:45] Jucato: ! [03:46] ni*! [03:46] heya! [03:47] How are you? [03:47] good :) [03:47] hey DaSkreech [03:48] great! [03:48] hi CheGuevara [03:51] Hi all! :-* [03:52] :-* [03:52] Hobbsee: makes no sense to pester Ubuntu-devel about LTS does it ? [03:53] DaSkreech: no [03:54] * DaSkreech waits to pounce sabdfl [04:01] Hobbsee: how is Alpha 2 looking? [04:01] no point of looking at it, until kde 4 is there :P [04:01] DaSkreech: of? [04:01] DaSkreech: oh, hardy? [04:01] works reasonably well [04:02] exa on intel drivers is still slow [04:02] well Hobbsee is on Gnome a lot these days [04:02] so I was asking impressions of that [04:02] thats because the new drm is not gonna enter official kernel tree any time soon [04:02] the new memory manager branch that is [04:03] IBM has TPM in linux now? [04:09] no TTM until .25 [04:09] which means not until ubuntu 8.10 [04:09] *sigh* === rouzic is now known as rouzic_ausente [05:36] what an injustice... here... a cinema line says that they will show AVP-r on the 28th... and the other one (my favorite) say that they wont... until next year >.< [05:59] When I type "about:konqueror" into konqueror, a nice webpage comes up. Where is that page located? I'd like to use it as a template for a bookmarks page on my box. [06:00] /usr/share/apps/konqueror/about [06:01] Jucato: Ah, I was looking in the wrong place. [06:01] Jucato: ty [06:01] it seems to also make use of stylesheets that aren't located in that directory [06:01] generic KDE stylesheets (like those used in the KDE Handbooks/Help pages) [06:02] That's too bad, I was hoping to use that [06:02] you can. just have to figure out where to get them and how to piece them all together ;P [06:02] Will do :) [06:07] wb Hobbsee [06:08] ty [06:09] Guys im soffy for the offtopic... do you know any took for data recovery? just deleted an important text file on my pc [06:09] >.< [06:10] i'ts not ni the recycle bin, etc? [06:10] nope [06:10] darn [06:11] i usually delete with shift + delete... [06:11] but accidentally selected another file... (which was the one that i wasnt supposed to delete) [06:11] oh dear [06:12] santiago-ve, from now, have important files under version control ;) [06:13] santiago-ve: Which Filesystem? [06:13] ext3 [06:14] no [06:14] can't get it back [06:14] ... [06:14] wieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee means i have to start over... [06:15] uSe Version Control :) [06:16] this might sound funny [06:16] but i didnt saw the "need" for using version control for this stuff... until now.. [06:16] (its just a doc plain text file) [06:17] IIRC, version control started with plain text files ;) [06:19] oh well... just 305 functions to document [06:20] i still cant get why some PHP programmers (Specially in Venezuela) know anything about Documentation techs~ [06:29] santiago-ve: DaSkreech: it _is_ possible to recover ext3 fs deleted files [06:29] Teach me o great one [06:29] lol [06:30] there's both tutorials based on fs-recovery on the net and even commercial tools to do so [06:30] ye comercial tools... but which one of it works [06:30] some that attempt recovering whole trees on the disk [06:30] :p [06:30] tested 2 before coming here [06:30] xD [06:30] I haven't used commercial ones, but recovered reiser-fs files using the first method [06:31] santiago-ve: ah [06:32] santiago-ve: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/repairing-reiserfs-file-system-with-reiserfsck.html [06:33] I recovered the reiserfs files using that method [06:33] just do as if you were recovering a broken partition [06:33] and you recover lots of lost crap [06:33] lol [06:33] im not that desesperated xD [06:34] well, it worked. I recovered the whole of my /home =) [06:34] im already going again with the work [06:34] :O [06:34] anyways (puts that on his delicious) [06:37] * santiago-ve wants to sleep [06:37] :( [07:10] bwahahha almost done [07:10] >:D [07:14] I wonder if krusader is safe enough to make as the default file manager [07:15] s/make/set/ [07:20] safe enough? [07:20] and whose default file manager? yours or Kubuntu's? [07:20] Well, it's a file manager, but I don't know the software well enough to say it's safe to use as the default. [07:20] Mine in kubuntu [07:21] I've never had a problem in kubuntu so I don't wanna go doing something that will end that trend [07:21] it's safe as in stable. it's older and more polished than d3lphin (note d3lphin) [07:22] Yeah [07:22] but it sort of does require that you know how to use a twin-panel file manager or at least willing to learn how to use one [07:22] Oh, I love krusader, been using it a while [07:23] hm.. ok... I don't understand your question then :) [07:23] Safe, as in safe to set as the default on file associations (inade/directory) [07:23] *inode [07:23] * Jucato doesn't see why not. [07:24] * Jucato finds "but I don't know the software well enough to say it's safe to use as the default." and "Oh, I love krusader, been using it a while" a bit conflicting :) [07:24] I'll switch it then [07:24] I don't know what all is required to be "default file manager" by the system. [07:26] hmmm Jucato so D3lphin isnt a "mispelled" name? [07:26] or it is? [07:27] Jucato: When I set krusader as the default fm in File Associations, and then click on System > Home Folder, krusader doesn't launch. <-- that's what I was talking about. [07:27] santiago-ve: dolphin is a symlink to d3lphin [07:27] santiago-ve: file /usr/bin/dolphin [07:29] !d3lphin | santiago-ve [07:29] santiago-ve: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin. [07:29] it isn't misspelled ;) [07:29] ew [07:29] xD [07:30] dolphin and d3lphin are 2 different things [07:30] good thing im still with feisty :p [07:30] Jucato, enlighten me [07:30] :d [07:30] d3lpjin is an ld fork of dolphin and no longer developed [07:30] the dolphin in kde4 is much beter than d3lphin [07:30] just dont tellme dolphin is MDM (Mysql desktop manager) [07:31] santiago-ve: http://enzosworld.gmxhome.de/download.html [07:31] see the note there [07:32] seen read and understood [07:32] :d [07:32] ty for the info [07:34] well [07:34] have fun guys [07:34] im off to slee [07:34] sleep === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [09:23] good morning my currently most favorite dev team :P [09:25] :p === Shely is now known as iPersistent [11:00] morning [11:01] moin [11:19] alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device [11:19] *sigh* [11:23] brb [11:43] bah [11:43] pokerth 0.6 has been released -.- [11:43] * apachelogger_ now has to start all over again === wolfger_ is now known as wolfger [12:37] Vorian: I see you've applied for kubuntu member thingy, prehaps you should add yourself to the meeting page? [12:56] I have an idea for the next Kubuntu Tutorials Day [12:57] "How to make a proper patch" [12:57] I"ll be honest, I don't even know what exactly a patch is. [12:58] diff -Nurp origfile.diff file.diff [12:58] I assume it's a small piece of code that the devs can integrate into an app. [12:58] Well, that was a short class :) [12:59] ardchoille: I'm going to have to give lines.. [13:09] better class would be applying patches in deb packages === jpetso_ is now known as jpetso [13:12] CheGuevara: I agree [13:12] "How to make a patch and then apply it" [13:14] yep [13:39] CheGuevara ardchoille: same thing [13:40] just do debian/rules apply-patches [13:42] could use cdbs's system [13:43] it does [13:43] jpatrick: Ah, ok [13:43] the arcane art of packaging... [13:44] 2 years into Kubuntu (about 1 or more into trying development) and I still haven't gotten even the basics right :D [13:44] the patch just needs to be in debian/patches/ [13:44] Jucato: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/tutorials/kubuntu-tutorials-day-packaging.pdf [13:44] jpatrick: downloaded it laredy :P [13:44] already* [13:45] ah, ok [13:45] That ,ust have been the fastest wget I've ever done [13:46] jpatrick: it's just that I don't really do packaging as my main activity (I'm sort of a bit more inclined towards coding, so manually applying patches, not relying on package management systems, etc.) [13:47] so everytime I try to fix or add something in Kubuntu (that's really the only reason why I try to learn packaging) i have to relearn everything :) [13:47] because it only happens every 6 months :P [13:47] lol [13:48] change is the only constant [13:48] jpatrick: This tutorial is very well done. I had problems following the irc logs due to too much activity in the channel. This pdf is awesome :) [13:48] ardchoille: you're welcome [13:49] jpatrick: what's worse is that I keep on losing the notes/reminders to myself that I've made about packaging everytime :/ [13:50] Jucato: sudo apt-get install basket :) [13:50] Jucato: knotes > * [13:50] basket isn't really helpful if you've rm'ed your /home :) [13:50] well, that isn't helping in any case [13:50] (the first time... the 2nd time I just rm'ed the file accidentally :P) [13:50] Jucato: ouch! [13:51] ardchoille: you can say that again (but please don't) [13:53] Jucato: There are a couple of realy neat apps, cron and tar, that you can use to tar up $HOME and put on a 2nd drive [13:53] * ardchoille ducks [13:53] * Jucato reaches for the gShotgun :) [13:53] Jucato: use zsh, it warns you if you're about to rm something important [13:54] the most cruel death/torture you can inflict on someone... kill/hurt them with a gnome/gtk tool/weapon :) [13:54] hehe [13:54] jpatrick: will it work even in a chroot? (which is how I accidentally rm'ed my home) [13:55] Jucato: if you use it as shell, yeah [13:55] why can't it be kShotgun :P [13:55] CheGuevara: [21:54] the most cruel death/torture you can inflict on someone... kill/hurt them with a gnome/gtk tool/weapon :) [13:55] ah [13:55] missed that lol [13:55] :D [13:55] I guessed so :) [13:56] +1 then lol [13:57] +1 gnome-shotgun of pain... what a deadly weapon to inflict cruel and unusual punishment :) [13:58] lol === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger === tmske__ is now known as tmske === Che is now known as CheGuevara [16:26] where am I supposed to put the application icon when packaging? [16:29] kenkku: does the programs build system not do that itself? [16:29] jpatrick: nope [16:29] what package? [16:30] jpatrick: the program doesn't actually even install itself [16:30] jpatrick: nothing you would know, it's just a program I'm packaging for a small audience [16:31] aha, and it's not make, make install stuff? [16:31] only make to compile one binary [16:31] no make install [16:31] it would be possible to make one, though [16:33] kenkku: icons should go to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ [16:33] jpatrick: thanks. I'll have to ask the developer about this, he's doing it mainly for mac, but it's qt so it works on linux too [16:34] so I guess he doesn't really know how the practices go on linux. it's such a small program, too, so it's not very important yet [16:45] this might be a weird question but.. why does debuild run make clean? :S [16:45] you using cdbs? [16:46] nope [16:46] debhelper [16:46] is "make clean" mentioned in debian/rules? [16:47] I mean it runs the clean in debian/rules [16:47] which includes make clean [16:47] kenkku: never make clean from rules, if you do not wish to run it [16:48] hmm, so it is supposed to run at that point? [16:48] it is to make sure the package is free of binaries before upload [16:48] ooh. I see. [16:48] i got a bit distracted since it says "# Add here commands to clean up after the build process." [16:48] ah [16:49] you wouldn't happen to be reading my tutorial? :) [16:49] I don't know, which one is it :P [16:49] nm then [16:49] I'm reading the PackagingGuide in the wiki [16:49] aha [16:49] jpatrick: would you be so kind as to add the link to your tutorial in the channel topic? :) [16:49] lo effie_jayx [16:49] jpatrick: do you have a better tutorial then? ;) [16:50] Jucato: which channel? it's not that good ;) [16:50] here :) [16:50] it's good enough to have been the material for the tutorials day :) [16:50] * jpatrick dunno [16:51] pfft :P [16:52] kenkku: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/tutorials/ [16:52] that looks better [16:53] I could be a writer one day :o) [16:54] jpatrick: lo!!? [16:54] effie_jayx: hello -> 'lo -> lo [17:00] "warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address" [17:00] how should I name the package? I'm only probably distributing it through PPA [17:01] you can ignore that if you want [17:02] ok, I thought that would be the case [17:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/FAQ#head-8c0f73c5468e3df4abfafb4cf121ed1d226e5a92 [17:03] CheGuevara: yeah, but if it's personal, and not for Ubuntu: ignore [17:03] yeah i am just saying for educational puposes :P [17:03] education? what's that o.O [17:03] ;) [17:03] lol === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [17:14] argh. [17:14] well, pbuilder does everything nicely and then says "dpkg-deb: building package `qutescoop' in `../qutescoop_0.1.8-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb'." and does some stuff.. but the package is nowhere to be found [17:15] is it in the directory above? [17:15] well, I wouldn't be saying this if it wasn't there :) [17:15] kenkku: pbuilder puts them in /var/cache/pbuilder/result [17:16] weird, I tried packaging a few times before and it did appear where I though it would be [17:16] Or in ~/pbuilder if you're using the pbuilder script in ubunt-dev-tools [17:17] well, I found the package now [17:17] Where? [17:17] no you can 'lintian' it for errors or just install :) [17:17] in /var/cache/pbuilder/result [17:18] hmm or is it.. the time is too old, so it's not the one [17:19] it appeared in the directory below the sources (where the original tarball is) before, but not now [17:25] ok, looks like we lost Riddell [17:26] noooooooo [17:26] ok, NOW I got the deb [17:26] * Jucato runs around like crazy, like a chicken with its head cut off [17:26] kenkku: yaya [17:27] it was indeed in the /var/cache/pbuilder/result dir [17:31] he's over in #kubuntu still [17:31] lol [17:33] invite: "You need to be a channel operator to do that" [17:33] :D [17:33] he'll notice... eventually... :) [17:34] !ops [17:34] Help! Riddell, haggai, amu, imbrandon, Hobbsee or Mez [17:34] ... [17:34] jpatrick: ? [17:35] imbrandon: /invite Riddell ;) [17:35] lol [17:36] done, he must not have autojoin on [17:36] why would i need to invite him ? [17:36] remind him [17:36] since he's everywhere else ;) [17:37] :) [17:48] * Tm_T hugs Jucato [17:48] ? [17:49] jpatrick: yes? [17:50] nm [17:50] jpatrick: just joking :) [17:50] ah right [17:50] * Tm_T hufs jpatrick [17:50] hugs even === ubiq_ is now known as lucifaint [19:07] what is the best way to install the desktop file? [19:07] *.desktop [19:09] kenkku: put it in /usr/share/applications/ [19:11] hmm, what's the preferred way to install files? :P [19:11] with a package :P [19:11] dh_install? [19:18] kenkku: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3023/ [19:18] for example [19:20] erm, that's for cdbs [19:31] <_StefanS_> Jucato: always online, eh ? :) [19:43] hmm, another weird question, where in the source package should I put the .desktop file? is it ok if I put it in debian/? [19:43] good evening [20:06] I just noticed that I'm an idiot. [20:09] So I wonder how Swedish these Swedish Fish candies are. [20:09] kenkku: Don't take it so hard. It's a common ailment. The trick is to just use really big words so that people don't ever notice. === kozz_ is now known as kozz [20:11] _StefanS_: does kdmtheme work on hardy? [20:12] kenkku: don't worry, we're all learning :) [20:12] yeah, I just stated that :) even though I'm CURRENTLY an idiot, my idiotness is decreasing - rapidly [20:41] what's up, docs? [20:41] I thought you didn't like docs [20:42] :o) [20:42] ooh, you remember! :o) [20:42] how nice of you. [20:42] hmm, we're still Riddell down [20:42] that's up :) [20:43] hmm, he's still sleeping off the Christmas&birthday celebration? [20:43] no idea [20:48] all this alcohol -.- [20:48] oh how awesome it could have been... [20:51] hey, can you version a package as a date instead of the normal x.y.z? [20:51] I have a data package that's periodically updated [20:52] kenkku: what version does it have now? [20:53] what revision control system does it use? [20:54] jpatrick: well, basically svn. in the original form it's in a directory in the source archive, but I'd like to make it a separate package so that the application itself doesn't have to be updated every time the data is (which might be monthly) [20:54] jpatrick: the data itself doesn't change *radically*, it's just something that recieves some corrections over time [20:54] so it's kind of funny to use the conventional version system for it [20:54] kenkku: I recommend: 0.0+svn20071226 - as in svnYYYYMMDD [20:55] jpatrick: is there any guide/guideline on these? [20:57] not that I know of [20:58] but with that^ in the next release users will easily upgrade [20:58] yeah, that sounds like an ok solution [20:58] 0.0 -> 0.1, 1 etc [20:59] 20071231 is greater than 20071226 [20:59] for example [20:59] new year: 20080102 > 20071216: true [21:00] this is actually a fairly nice solution [21:01] I recommend ~, actually [21:01] apachelogger: ya, too bad we were not invited :o( [21:01] since it's possible (yet unlikely) that the data format changes over time in the core application, so maybe I'll use the core app version plus the date [21:01] dpkg --compare-versions 0.0 gt 0.0~svn20071226 ;echo $? [21:01] 0 [21:01] just in the very, very off chance that some upstream actually wants to release a "0.0" [21:04] what does the ~ mean in the version, then? [21:05] not much, it's just a seperator [21:05] backports uses it [21:05] it's a specific "lesser than" separator [21:06] aha [21:43] is there anyone who has installed hardy on laptop? [21:44] yes. [21:44] dunno why, but my Alt key works like Enter, and Left key works like Alt [21:44] Oo [21:45] :) [21:45] i've installed hardy with aptidute safe-upgrade.. not from cd :) [21:48] installation from cd failed for me because of buggy `release candidate' linux kernel 2.6.24 :( [21:51] 2.6.24-rc6-git2 and newer are better [21:52] crimsun: you've compiled it by yourself? [21:53] Linux Box 2.6.24-rc6-git2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Dec 24 07:49:37 EST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux [21:53] is anyone using kde4 here? [21:54] it seems to me that everything is insanely huge, especially the font sizes. [21:54] crimsun: vanilla linux? whithout ubuntu patches? [21:54] iRon: correct. [21:54] I'm attempting to git-bisect a resume-from-* bug [21:55] mhb: i'm on kde4 from daily svn build [21:55] iRon: is everything so huge as well? [21:56] mhb: no.. only taskbar fonts.. [22:02] iRon: is the taskbar blinking when windows ask for attention? [22:02] iRon: such as new kopete message in a chat window or so [22:03] nixternal: chixternal my friend, how are the KDE4 builds? [22:03] nixternal: I wonder whether they'll be some new stuff soon. [22:03] there [22:04] just got back today...can't build them on the buildd's until the buildd's are fixed [22:04] and they are just rebuilds of rc2 [22:05] mhb: hm.. no.. everything else looks fine.. but i've yesterday build. [22:06] hmm. [22:06] I'd like to test something new, but I'm either too lazy to build it myself, or I'd like to see new Kubuntu packages. [22:06] :o) [22:07] :) [22:07] kde4 from svn works nicely for me. it's nice to just svn up and do a recompile, it's faster than installing all those packages :) [22:08] the plasma widgets never worked well for me that way ... the files always ended up overwriting the older versions and it was a huge mess [22:08] it is improving every day. [22:09] i've never used any plasma widgets on desktop.. [22:09] somehow, OS X is making a much better impression when it comes to the amount of space on the desktop. [22:09] I have the battery thing, and my kde3 desktop icons (4 .desktop files, launchers) got merged somehow. [22:10] just two rxvt windows can fill it all [22:13]