[00:01] <mrtimbo> merry xmas everyone
[00:02] <Delvien> and to you as well mrtimbo
[00:05] <sourcemaker> Yeah.... I have installed the vanilla kernel with the last nvidia driver... everythink is working well... ;-)
[00:14] <pierre__> hi
[00:14] <numpy> hi
[00:14] <pierre__> could anyone help me ?
[00:14] <pierre__> I just installed kubuntu 7.10 (I'm beginner with linux)
[00:15] <pierre__> and I can't download anything with adept because I got an error
[00:15] <pierre__> ==>
[00:15] <pierre__> There was an error committing changes.
[00:15] <pierre__> Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[00:15] <pierre__> and none of the solutions I found on the web worked
[00:15] <unix_infidel> pierre__: try using apt-get or aptitude.
[00:16] <unix_infidel> aptitude install [package name]
[00:16] <pierre__> ok thanks
[00:16] <claydoh> yes, using apt-get or aptitiude will at least give a better error message
[00:17] <Silouck> Riddell: ping
[00:17] <Riddell> hi Silouck
[00:18] <unix_infidel> pierre__: you issue those commands in a terminal like aterm, xterm or whatever.
[00:18] <unix_infidel> just like in windows with cmd.exe
[00:19] <pierre__> Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[00:19] <pierre__> oups
[00:19] <pierre__> I tried
[00:19] <pierre__> apt-get install chemtool
[00:19] <pierre__> it told me:
[00:20] <pierre__> E: Unable to open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock -open -13 permission denied)
[00:20] <unix_infidel> sudo apt-get install chemtool
[00:20] <unix_infidel> then enter your password when it asks for it.
[00:20] <pierre__> E: Unable to lock the administation directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root ?
[00:20] <pierre__> another error:
[00:21] <pierre__> it dont ask me my password
[00:21] <intelikey> what doesn't ?
[00:21] <unix_infidel> intelikey: sudo.
[00:21] <unix_infidel> pierre__: that's fine, it should install then.
[00:22] <dm> Hello. Can anyone tell me how to compile a kernel module? I get "linux/config.h: No such file or directory" ...
[00:22] <pierre__> E: Unable to lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock -open (11 Resource temporaril unavailable)
[00:22] <dm> ... on 7.10 with default kernel
[00:22] <intelikey> sudo will not ask the password if you have just used sudo and the timmer hasn't expired yet,     and not at all if you are in the sudo group
[00:22] <pierre__> E: Unable to lock the administation directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it ?
[00:23] <unix_infidel> pierre__: you need to quit adept first.
[00:23] <ardchoille> pierre__: Close any other package managers you have open
[00:23] <_Angelus_> what would you recomand as a good program to install a  virtual os? vmware qemu or virtualbox?
[00:23] <pierre__> oh
[00:23] <intelikey> info for pierre__    ^
[00:23] <pierre__> ok... but is there a way to fix adept ?
[00:23] <dm> _Angelus_: qemu is easy, vmware is fast
[00:23] <_Angelus_> on my pc vmware is slow :/
[00:23] <intelikey> qemu is easy  but doesn't work for the one thing i installed it for
[00:24] <_Angelus_> for what?
[00:24] <_Angelus_> i want to play mmorpg games
[00:24] <claydoh> pierre__: make sure you don't have adept open while you try apt-get
[00:24] <pierre__> ok apt-get is working when I close adept
[00:25] <pierre__> but I'd prefer adept to the konsole :/
[00:25] <intelikey> you'll get over that.
[00:25] <claydoh> I do as well, until there are problems
[00:26] <pierre__> and how do I get a list of available packages with the console ?
[00:26] <_Angelus_> hmm
[00:26] <claydoh> thats where a gui helps over the cli
[00:26] <pierre__> ^
[00:26] <pierre__> ^^
[00:26] <dm> pierre__: with aptitude
[00:26] <_Angelus_> does qemu become faster then vmware when using full virtualization of the kqemu kernel module?
[00:26] <intelikey> apt-cache search <something here>
[00:27] <dm> _Angelus_: I don't think so
[00:27] <sebby> hi
[00:27] <pierre__> ok
[00:27] <intelikey> dm or dselect   ;/
[00:28] <sebby> how can i set my apt get to list all the softfare wich can be downloded  for eg  i won to have gcc and a list of ircds
[00:29] <pierre__> now adept works...lol
[00:29] <intelikey> apt-cache search <something here>      details can be displayed with   apt-cache show blah
[00:30] <intelikey> apt-cache search ^gcc       wild cards and regex are nice...
[00:32] <sebby> how can i find all apt get`s commands
[00:32] <CheGuevara> man apt-get
[00:32] <sebby> i foud for eg gcc with command wich u said
[00:33] <sebby> but now i have to get it
[00:33] <sebby> thx
[00:34] <intelikey> man man
[00:35] <intelikey> sebby you probably want build-essential
[00:35] <intelikey> !b-e | sebby
[00:35] <ubotu> sebby: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[00:35] <pierre__> I got the them error when I try to download the language package...
[00:36] <neville> Happy Boxing Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:36] <intelikey> oh how cute,  a troll
[00:37] <intelikey> :)
[00:37] <ForeverZero> .s
[00:37] <dm> I have installed the packages linux-headers and linux-source. The module's sources are in /usr/source/modules. Any idea what could be the problem here?
[00:37] <dm> linux/config.h: No such file or directory
[00:37] <neville> ?
[00:39] <intelikey> dm !i.  i try to avoid building source unless    well there is no unless...
[00:40] <dm> intelikey: And how do you insert new kernel modules?
[00:41] <intelikey> dm i don't need any.
[00:41] <intelikey> dm or are you asking about the "modprobe" command ?
[00:42] <dm> intelikey: No, the module isn't built yet
[00:42] <rredd4> kde ubuntu, fiesty... will not mount my external sd card automatically.  (it does mount auto in gnome), what is the mount command for this and how do i get the sd card to mount auto?
[00:42] <intelikey> dm  my nvidia card isn't supported so i have nothing that needs "modules built"
[00:42] <rredd4> its vfat
[00:43] <hydrogen> !appdb
[00:43] <ubotu> The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org
[00:43] <intelikey> rredd4   sudo mount /dev/<device> /mount/point/here -o umask=000
[00:43] <pierre__> big thanks to all, by
[00:44] <rredd4> intelikey, ty
[00:44] <intelikey> rredd4 fdisk -l   or  cat /proc/partitions    either might reviel the device node name.   and the mount point is arbitrarry
[00:45] <intelikey> rredd4 also unplug/replug and dmesg   might show the device node name.
[00:46] <intelikey> food for thought  ^
[00:47] <rredd4> ty
[00:49] <rredd4> intelikey, mount point is  /media/KODAK
[00:50] <intelikey> rredd4 as i said that is arbitrary
[00:50] <intelikey> it's totally at your own discretion.
[00:51]  * intelikey doesn't even have a /media dir.   and uses /disk/* for all mountpoints other than /
[00:52] <rredd4> ok, ty... going back to kde!!
[00:53] <SirChasm> has anyone had luck with getting java/MPlayer plugins to work in the 64-bit FF?
[00:54] <jumpkic1> kde4 is broken on the hardy haron A2 disc
[00:54] <jumpkic1> sigh
[00:55] <jumpkic1> "_: Entries in K-menu:" ... yuck
[00:55] <ardchoille> jumpkic1: What did you expect, kde4 and hardy are both beta atm.
[00:55] <jumpkic1> ardchoille: I expected that KDE4 would at least be installed / installable...  I didn't expect it to work pefectly
[00:56] <jumpkic1> it's not even installable
[00:56] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[00:56] <intelikey> ardchoille hardy is already beta ?
[00:56] <jumpkic1> alpha2
[00:56] <intelikey> i was thinking...
[00:56] <ardchoille> intelikey: Has hardy been released as stable yet?
[00:57] <intelikey> ardchoille not even as beta yet.
[00:57] <jumpkic1> new kernel detects my Nv680 sound card, that's good at least
[00:57] <ardchoille> intelikey: Ah, good point :)
[00:57] <jumpkic1> kmix is all messed, but it was all messed in Gusty too
[00:57] <jumpkic1> as far as volume control
[00:57]  * claydoh has had better luck with kde4 in gutsy at this point
[00:58] <claydoh> at this stage, hardy has a lot of changes very often
[00:58] <claydoh> which is prob why kde4 is often uninstallable
[00:58] <jumpkic1> claydoh, I hear ya... I wanted to install hardy because Phorienx said pulse audio was the default sound server
[00:58] <jumpkic1> which is not true
[00:59] <ardchoille> claydoh: Good point, any OS will have problem while it's still in the creation/tuning process.
[00:59] <claydoh> lol
[00:59] <jumpkic1> it's installable, but not the default
[01:00] <jumpkic1> they should stick to what they do best, worthlessly benchmarking ati and nvidia drivers...  20.4 fps woot!
[01:00] <jumpkic1> I'm so bitter...   :P
[01:00] <jumpkic1> Merry Christmas everyone!
[01:00] <jumpkic1> :)
[01:01] <intelikey> jumpkic1 yes. a happy birth day to the Christ
[01:02]  * claydoh has spent the day distro hopping on a 233 mhz 10 y/old thinkpad :)
[01:02] <biovore> yay
[01:02] <biovore> did anything new work still?
[01:02] <Silouck> anyone knows anthomy marcatante nick?
[01:02] <Silouck> mena Anthony Mercatante
[01:03] <Silouck> s/mena/mean
[01:03] <claydoh> puppy linux was best, dsl was ok
[01:03] <tolecnal> dm: did you get your config.h matter resolved?
[01:03] <intelikey> claydoh then debian should work fine.   both were based on it, so basicly anything they can do it can do
[01:04] <dm> tolecnal: No
[01:04] <claydoh> fluxbuntu install is overheating the thing tho :)
[01:04] <jumpkic1> control panels' broken missing libpython2.5.so...
[01:04] <jumpkic1> time to go back to gutsy
[01:04] <jumpkic1> hardy is a mess
[01:04] <claydoh> debian is too much work :)
[01:04] <intelikey> in a rudamental conception of course.
[01:04] <claydoh> puppy/dsl just plain work :)
[01:05] <[ka]killer> lol, im sticking with gutsy till hardy gets all the kinks worked out xD
[01:05] <tolecnal> dm: having the same issue here, and it turns out after a google search that the 2.6 kernels don't use config.h. a source suggested just doing a 'touch config.h' inside the /usr/src/linux directory, but that didn't work for me.
[01:05] <claydoh> I did a full gentoo on the thing a few years back
[01:05] <[ka]killer> from festy go gutsy f**ked me all up
[01:05]  * intelikey likes to think that he helped to inspire dsl   
[01:05] <tolecnal> dm: trying to find a fix for this, but so far my searches hasn't yielded any results
[01:05] <tolecnal> dm: if you find a fix, please let me know
[01:06] <jumpkic1> tolecnal: what are you trying to build?
[01:06] <tolecnal> jumpkic1: the ov511 module
[01:06] <jumpkic1> oh
[01:06] <Jack3> whats the difference between the kubuntu 7.10 dvd and cd?
[01:07] <intelikey> jack3 the dvd obviously won't boot on a cd drive  and has more packages/options
[01:09] <senorpedro> man kde4 sucks....
[01:10] <senorpedro> everything changed
[01:10] <intelikey> behold: it sucketh!  sayth he.
[01:11] <senorpedro> sucketh...sucks...whatever, its worse than kde3
[01:12] <intelikey> i like kde3    but there are a lot of things about kde3 that i don't like.   ;/
[01:12] <jumpkic1> same
[01:12] <senorpedro> yes me too
[01:12] <jumpkic1> how does one fix kmilo?
[01:13] <jumpkic1> volume 0 - 11 on the OSD, not in anyway related to kmix
[01:13] <jumpkic1> very strange
[01:13] <intelikey> i have found one thing that i don't like about blackbox    "no context menus"   i could probably add them but i'm too lazy
[01:14] <tolecnal> dm: hmmm, with the module I tried to install, uncommenting out the #include <linux/config.h> in all the source files worked nicely
[01:14] <Dragnslcr> I think KDE4 will be good, but I really don't think it deserves to be called a Release Candidate yet
[01:15] <tolecnal> though, why they would ship module source packages that fail to compile without manual edits to the source files is beyond me
[01:16] <jumpkic1> Dragnslcr: I agree
[01:16] <jumpkic1> there's little chance this will release on Jan 11 from what I've seen of it
[01:16] <jumpkic1> it needs 6 more months
[01:17] <intelikey> it probably will
[01:17] <Dragnslcr> It might, but it won't be as bug-free as it should be
[01:17] <Dragnslcr> I think 4.0.1 will follow pretty quickly
[01:17] <intelikey> they will release it just for the sake of saying "new version is out"  like ubuntu has done a time or two.
[01:18] <jumpkic1> intelikey: that's a pretty dumb way to do it, people will upgrade to it and get very pissed off
[01:18] <intelikey> jumpkic1 yes.   and your point is ?
[01:18] <jumpkic1> they are better off to keep calling it alpha
[01:18] <intelikey> oh you don't like change for the sake of change either ?
[01:19] <jumpkic1> I'm all for change for its own sake, but not if your going to piss off a large user base
[01:19] <jumpkic1> it will be very discouraging to recieve that much bad feedback
[01:20] <intelikey> well i'm not for change for it's own sake.   i'm only for change when it is useful.
[01:21]  * intelikey is an "if it aint broke, then don't fix it!" kinda guy.
[01:21] <jumpkic1> it will be useful, but it won't out way the downside in this case
[01:21] <jumpkic1> the new stuff they add won't make up for all the broken shit that goes with it
[01:22] <intelikey> zactly
[01:22] <Dragnslcr> I just hope they get rid of that ridiculous K Menu
[01:23] <intelikey> WE are off topic and your language is off colour,   so we best drop this like a hot potato tho.
[01:23] <ScottG> !ot
[01:23] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:23] <ScottG> no one chats there.. bring it there.. I'm always there
[01:24]  * intelikey never uses it.    thanks.
[01:24]  * jumpkic1 will shut up now
[01:24] <blekos> has anyone come up with the problem not to be able to install icon theme, themes etc?
[01:28] <sourcemaker> How can I disable the system bell? set bell-style none?
[01:29] <ScottG> I'd be interested to hear this, for some odd reason even with PC Speaker off in Kmix I hear it in apps like Pidgin and Xchat
[01:29] <intelikey> yeah in x/kde there is gui way   and  xset -b  i think    in the console you can black list pcspkr module
[01:29] <claydoh> in system settings, under Notifications I think
[01:30] <claydoh> err maybe not
[01:30] <sourcemaker> no... without using kde... on the default linux prompt
[01:30] <tolecnal> hah, got my web cam to work :)
[01:30] <intelikey> something like kcontrol sound and multimedia system bell or alert or sumfin
[01:31] <sourcemaker> intelikey: no... not in kde... default linux console
[01:31] <sourcemaker> intelikey: STRG+ALT+F1
[01:31] <intelikey> sourcemaker as i said  black list the module  pcspkr
[01:31] <sourcemaker> intelikey: ok
[01:32] <intelikey> you can   echo -e '\a'  all day if the pcspkr module is not inserted you wont hear a thing
[01:34] <intelikey> sourcemaker no need to reboot you know.   just sudo modprobe -r pcspkr
[01:34]  * intelikey assumed you knew.
[01:34] <sourcemaker> intelikey: i know... thanks... it is working fine
[01:35]  * intelikey turns alert on and off at will with the modprobe command.   has for years.
[01:38] <ganjamaniac> high
[01:39] <intelikey> ganjamaniac
[01:40] <ganjamaniac> houston i got a problem
[01:40] <ganjamaniac> or should i say, pretoria i got a problem
[01:40] <intelikey> :)
[01:40] <ganjamaniac> i got some zuluistic issues with buntus
[01:41] <ganjamaniac> my gibbon freaks out because i've installed a newer nvidia graphics driver
[01:41] <intelikey> sourcemaker     setterm -bfreq $Q     you could squelch it that way too  or set it to something more paletable  :)
[01:41] <sourcemaker> intelikey: ok... nice to know
[01:42] <intelikey> setterm -bfreq 440     heh.
[01:42] <sourcemaker> intelikey: my system now... is getting perfekt... just installed the new kernel ;-)
[01:42] <sourcemaker> intelikey: because my wlan was not working with the current kubuntu kernel
[01:42] <intelikey> ;/
[01:42] <ganjamaniac> heh, i need to toast a new kernel , it doesnt' detect core2duo speedstep stuff
[01:43] <intelikey> ganjamaniac modules inserted ?
[01:43] <ganjamaniac> i don't remember, but if i do a lsmod it shows a module called cpudyn o rsomething
[01:44] <intelikey> the correct acpi stuff for your board   and the cpu "thingies" too
[01:44] <sourcemaker> intelikey: it is always the same problem with the linux kernel... :-) In windows it's working...
[01:44] <blekos_> hello, could someone tell me his/hers ~/.kde/share/icons folder to which group it belongs? (root or user?)
[01:44] <blekos_> thank you
[01:44] <sourcemaker> blekos_: my own group
[01:45] <sourcemaker> blekos_: my user not root
[01:45] <blekos_> thnx
[01:45] <intelikey> own our home.
[01:45] <intelikey>     y^
[01:45] <ganjamaniac> sstrange.. i can't even install those lm-sensors
[01:46] <ganjamaniac> i can see lm-sensors supports my ahrdware, but i can't load them into the kernel
[01:46] <intelikey> hmmm.
[01:46] <intelikey> sensors-config  ?
[01:47] <sourcemaker> bye bye guys...
[01:47] <ganjamaniac> yeag i did a sensors-confiture
[01:47] <intelikey> sorry my bad.   sensors-detect
[01:48] <ganjamaniac> it will ganjarate modules loaded to
[01:48] <ganjamaniac> the required modules
[01:48] <ganjamaniac> or something
[01:48] <intelikey> yeah or something
[01:49]  * intelikey wonders what language "ganjarate"  is...  it's not cajon...
[01:50] <intelikey> Pricey must have fell asleep on the keyboard
[01:54] <ganjamaniac> fail fail fail
[01:55] <intelikey> i don't think this board/cpu has thermal a sensor    </blinks>
[01:56] <ganjamaniac> yeah i think i have to stick my fingers into the heatspreader
[01:57] <intelikey> i'm not it's lisdexic a typing problem is
[01:58] <ganjamaniac> heh
[01:58] <ganjamaniac> now it works
[01:59] <ganjamaniac> i had to add modprobe stuff to sudo
[01:59] <ganjamaniac> then sudo the holy ruler of the sysop let me in to the astonish grail of unixed penguins
[02:00] <intelikey> root is too weak,  i'm init!
[02:02] <Alethes> haha
[02:02] <ganjamaniac> yeah you are god
[02:03] <intelikey> no.   but i know Him   :)
[02:03] <Alethes> Behold
[02:03] <ganjamaniac> i come from the hempire of ganjania
[02:03] <Alethes> I am the BIOS
[02:04] <intelikey> speaking of.  i hear that one can write the linux kernel to bios   or as a bios replacement.
[02:04] <Alethes> there is a linux bios
[02:05] <Alethes> don't think it's ready for prime time
[02:05] <intelikey> would beet this dell bios
[02:05] <Alethes> hehe
[02:05] <intelikey> i like the hardware.  but the bios is...    let's not go there...
[02:08] <ganjamaniac> dell the bios
[02:08] <ganjamaniac> i can't disable this shadowcrap
[02:08] <ganjamaniac> i believe i have to hack this phoenix bios somehow
[02:11] <SirChasm> has anyone had luck with getting java/MPlayer plugins to work in the 64-bit FF?
[02:11] <SirChasm> in other words, has anyone got a fully-functioning 64-bit Firefox?
[02:14] <Alethes> wow, that's being really picky isn't it? :P
[02:15] <intelikey> heh.  fully-functioning Firefox
[02:15] <SirChasm> is it really?
[02:15] <Alethes> nah
[02:15] <Alethes> I'm kidding
[02:15] <Alethes> I use firefox, but I'm not blessed with 64 bit goodness
[02:15] <SirChasm> so is it possible?
[02:15] <Alethes> or hassles :)
[02:15] <Nicholas_Valtier> hey guys
[02:15] <SirChasm> heh, i know
[02:15] <Nicholas_Valtier> Can I get some help with installing kubuntu?
[02:16] <Nicholas_Valtier> its a rather wierd situation revolving around the difficult instillation
[02:16] <SirChasm> what is the problem?
[02:16] <flaccid> Nicholas_Valtier: whats the actual problem
[02:16] <Nicholas_Valtier> ok there is no os on the computer as it is
[02:16] <Nicholas_Valtier> there is no floppy drive
[02:16] <Nicholas_Valtier> nor cd/dvd drive
[02:17] <Nicholas_Valtier> and we are trying to boot from a usb drive.
[02:17] <flaccid> can't do it then unless you copy livecd to usb drive somewhere and use that
[02:17] <Nicholas_Valtier> we have hp boot drive utility
[02:17] <Nicholas_Valtier> hm
[02:17] <Nicholas_Valtier> livecd?
[02:17] <flaccid> the standard desktop cd is a live cd
[02:17] <Nicholas_Valtier> hm so the kubuntu iso i have is useless then.
[02:18] <Nicholas_Valtier> any idea where I can dl the livecd?
[02:18] <flaccid> Nicholas_Valtier: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[02:18] <ardchoille> Nicholas_Valtier: http://www.kubuntu.com/download.php
[02:18] <Jack3> is the kde4 rc2 messed up for installing?
[02:18] <flaccid> have fun :)
[02:18] <Nicholas_Valtier> thanks
[02:18] <Jack3> it didnt install any network drivers for my computer...
[02:18] <Nicholas_Valtier> i greatly appreciate it
[02:22] <intelikey> !alternate
[02:22] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[02:22] <intelikey> !install
[02:22] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[02:23] <intelikey> http://www.ubuntu.com   for the dl's
[02:27] <rredd4> how do i get my   minimize, maximize and  close (X) buttons back, they are missing when i open any window, they are missing.
[02:28] <Dragnslcr> Are you using compiz?
[02:28] <rredd4> yes
[02:28] <Dragnslcr> And emerald?
[02:28] <rredd4> looking
[02:29] <rredd4> can't seem to find emerald
[02:29] <rredd4> looking in ccfm
[02:30] <Dragnslcr> Effects -> Window Decoration -> Command
[02:31] <rredd4> command line is empty
[02:32] <Dragnslcr> If you minimize and restore the window, do the buttons come back?
[02:32] <rredd4> no minimize buttons to click on
[02:33] <Dragnslcr> You can minimize and restore by clicking the taskbar item
[02:34] <rredd4> yes that works, how do i restore the button?
[02:34] <Dragnslcr> Is it just the buttons, or is the entire window border missing?
[02:35] <rredd4> entire border
[02:35] <Dragnslcr> Ah
[02:35] <rredd4> cannot see the name of the window
[02:35] <Dragnslcr> Do you have an nVidia card?
[02:35] <rredd4> or move the window, if it was smaller
[02:35] <rredd4> yes
[02:35] <rredd4> geforce 2
[02:36]  * intelikey has kde running in a window before...  
[02:36] <Dragnslcr> Is a GF2 even capable of running compiz?
[02:36] <intelikey> rredd4 alt+click/drag doesn't move the window ?
[02:36] <rredd4> intelikey  yes
[02:37] <etfb> !compiz > me
[02:37] <rredd4> the buttons were there a while ago, not there now
[02:37] <intelikey> heh then undo what you changed   lol
[02:37] <rredd4> i was mounting the sd card
[02:37] <intelikey> sorry   couldn't resist.
[02:37] <rredd4> thats it
[02:38] <Chemicalvamp> how do i change my 1280x800 booting splash screen to 1024x768?
[02:38] <Dragnslcr> There's a specific option that usually fixes the missing borders, but I can't remember offhand what it is
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> !usplash
[02:39] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[02:39] <intelikey> Chemicalvamp ummm the  vga= to 791 ?
[02:39] <rredd4> Dragnslcr  oops geforce 2 is laptop, sorry geforce 4
[02:39] <Chemicalvamp> huh?
[02:39] <intelikey> Chemicalvamp in the /boot/grub/menu.lst
 To fix your compiz window decorations (titlebars) with an nVidia graphics card, run « sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24 », then restart !X.
[02:39] <Chemicalvamp> its ubuntu not grub
[02:39] <Dragnslcr> Could try that, rredd4
[02:40] <rredd4> ok
[02:40] <Chemicalvamp> i installed it on a computer that has a res of 1280x800
[02:40] <Chemicalvamp> and moved the harddrive into another laptop with 1024x768 so now my boot screen is really offest
[02:41] <rredd4> brb
[02:41] <ganjamaniac> heh
[02:41] <intelikey> Chemicalvamp boot splash is kernel frame buffer   controlled by the  vga=  in the grub menu.lst
[02:41] <Chemicalvamp> so it should be what again? 791
[02:41] <ganjamaniac> i have a problem with my 3dfx graphic card, wine doesn't regconize it
[02:41] <intelikey> Chemicalvamp if you are talking about xorg  then it's not a boot issue.     and the answer is    sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow
[02:42] <ganjamaniac> is there a way to add glide to wine?
[02:42] <rredd4> Dragnslcr  that did it.. !
[02:42] <Dragnslcr> Nice
[02:42] <rredd4> Dragnslcr  what exactly did if do?
[02:42] <rredd4> if=it
[02:43] <ganjamaniac> i have a few hempy games from the past, and i would like to play them, stuff like pandemonium o
[02:43] <Dragnslcr> I think it has to do with the bit depth of something. Not sure exactly what
[02:43] <ganjamaniac> r unreal
[02:43] <rredd4> it works... ty
[02:43] <Dragnslcr> No prob
[02:44] <Alchera> Joyeux Noël
[02:44] <rredd4> unable to find the solution in google..
[02:45] <intelikey> ganjamaniac maybe   #winehq  or is it  #wine-hq
[02:45] <ganjamaniac> jej
[02:45] <ganjamaniac> heh
[02:45] <ganjamaniac> what the heck is sysfs?
[02:46] <intelikey> i would assume and acromyn for system file system
[02:46] <ganjamaniac> someday gnome and kde goes to knode
[02:47] <etfb> Wow, Compiz seems to be totally broken.  I just installed it, and all my KDE task bar menus and window widgets are broken, messed up or just gone.  Is this really supposed to be used with Kubuntu?  Has anyone used it successfully?
[02:47] <etfb> Also: what
[02:47] <intelikey> grep sysfs /proc/filesystems
[02:48] <etfb> Also: what's with not including the settings manager in the compiz dependencies?  Did anyone actually test this before they released it???
[02:48] <Alchera> i have an irritation .... all to do with dl dvd's >>> attempt to access beyond end of device
[02:48] <ganjamaniac> yeah this is supposed
[02:49] <ganjamaniac> because you have to feel how it feels to be without a gui
[02:49] <ganjamaniac> its something like you lost your slaves or something
[02:49]  * intelikey doesn't use a GUI
[02:49] <ganjamaniac> those little icons doesn't serve anymore
[02:50] <ganjamaniac> i remember to 1984,
[02:50] <ganjamaniac> c64
[02:50] <rredd4> i had a coco
[02:51] <rredd4> color computer..
[02:51] <etfb> ganjamaniac: what are you talking about?  This is the #kubuntu channel.
[02:51] <ganjamaniac> i don't know
[02:51] <rredd4> 6800 processor... had to hack in programs
[02:51] <etfb> ganjamaniac: Sounds like your user nick is a little too accurate...
[02:51]  * intelikey remembers to 1970    no computers.    well not for the private sector
[02:51] <ganjamaniac> maybe
[02:52] <ganjamaniac> if you had a computer at home in 1970 it was something like you had a chemical plant in your hom
[02:52] <ganjamaniac> e
[02:53] <intelikey> well actually no.  we had a chem plant  but no computer
[02:53] <etfb> !ot
[02:53] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:53] <intelikey> etfb yeap   i guess so.
[02:53] <ganjamaniac> huh
[02:55] <intelikey> how do you like that.   crys ot at us and then leaves.
[02:55] <intelikey> not very poetic...
[02:58] <Chemicalvamp> lol i forgot wheres xorg.conf located?
[02:58] <intelikey> /etc/X11/
[02:59] <Chemicalvamp> thanks
[02:59] <intelikey> np
[03:01] <intelikey> why are monakers so different.   some you can set bright and contrast both to 0 and they are still to bright  and some you can set both to 100% and they are still do dim    ?!!?..!?
[03:01] <Dragnslcr> Monakers?
[03:02] <Chemicalvamp> intelikey well i dont understand why that didnt fix it.. you know what screen im talking about right? with the loading bar that moves accross
[03:03] <intelikey> Chemicalvamp yes.  that's the vga=   also you might need to rebuild the initramfs.img   it may be loading incorrect modules.
[03:03] <Chemicalvamp> i went into menu.lst and it says 791
[03:04] <intelikey> Dragnslcr i don't make fun of the way you spell your nickname  ;/
[03:04] <Dragnslcr> Heh, I have an excuse though
[03:04] <Chemicalvamp> intelikey how do i rebuild initramfs?
[03:04] <intelikey> Chemicalvamp try  788   but i think thats  800x600
[03:05] <intelikey> Chemicalvamp    sudo update-ini[tabkey]
[03:05] <Dragnslcr> EFNet still has the stupid 9-character limit, and when I came over to Freenode, a few people got confused when I tried putting all the vowels back in
[03:06] <intelikey> point being we both misspelled on purpose.   this is irc where spelling counts u no.
[03:06] <Dragnslcr> Hehe
[03:07] <Chemicalvamp> intelikey ok updateing initramfs, if thats a no go i'll try 788
[03:07] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I'm trying to turn my Kubuntu set up into a router of sorts to use the online functionality of my Xbox 360.  I've been trying for hours to make it work but to no avail.  I've tried Firestarter, looking at iptable configs, and have tried Shorewall, but nothing works.  My computer uses a wireless connection, btw.  Any ideas?
[03:08] <intelikey> !wifi
[03:08] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:08] <intelikey> no idea here.
[03:08] <ChaosMachine> How can I get grub to wait indefinatly for me to select an OS?
[03:08]  * intelikey is networking illiterate
[03:09] <etfb> ChaosMachine: That's probably in /boot/grub/menu.lst somewhere.  Let me check...
[03:10] <etfb> ChaosMachine: I suppose if you change the timeout value to something very large, that would have the effect you want.  Dunno what happens if you comment out the timeout completely; it may default, or it may wait forever.
[03:10] <ChaosMachine> etfb, thanks, I can try it. :)
[03:11] <etfb> ChaosMachine: It's one of those rare cases where you really do need to reboot to fix something.  Pretend you're playing in Windows!
[03:11] <ChaosMachine> :p haha
[03:11] <intelikey> ChaosMachine set the timeout to none   ?
[03:12] <intelikey> ChaosMachine or comment out the     timeout    setting.
[03:12] <intelikey> i think the later is the prefered methood
[03:12] <etfb> intelikey: Does "none" work?  It'd be nasty to mess up the menu.lst file and not be able to boot...  (yeah, I'm paranoid)
[03:13]  * intelikey hides from etfb 
[03:13] <mrtimbo> hi
[03:14] <ChaosMachine> intelikey, thank you.
[03:14] <intelikey> how would messing up the menu.lst prevent booting etfb ?
[03:14] <intelikey> ChaosMachine np
[03:14] <etfb> Like I say - paranoid.  Some things I'm happy to mess with; other things I like to be VEEEEEEERY careful with.  Grub's settings file is one of the latter kind of thing.
[03:15] <etfb> Probably <<info grub>> or <<man grub>> will reveal a safe path...
[03:15] <intelikey> i mean you can boot with out a menu.lst  ....  </shrugs>
[03:15] <intelikey> and commenting out the var is a safe path
[03:16] <se7en> is there a way to see when my box was turned off (log files)
[03:16]  * etfb types <<sudo apt-get install grub-doc>> and is enlightened
[03:17] <intelikey> se7en /var/log/syslog should have it.
[03:17] <se7en> thanks
[03:17] <ganjamaniac> whatevber
[03:18] <ganjamaniac> speedstep won't work
[03:18] <ganjamaniac> i don't know why
[03:18] <Chemicalvamp> intelikely nope
[03:18] <intelikey> Chemicalvamp which was that attempt ?
[03:18] <Chemicalvamp> both
[03:19] <intelikey> what's you vidio card/chip ?
[03:19] <Chemicalvamp> savage
[03:19] <intelikey> pastebin the output of     lsmod    for me
[03:20] <Chemicalvamp> bios and everything up to OS boot (usually) is in 800x600
[03:20] <intelikey> ummm and   cat /proc/cmdline
[03:20] <intelikey> Chemicalvamp ^
[03:22] <theverant> hi all, any ideas on how I can undelete a fat32 CF Card?
[03:23] <ganjamaniac> turn the time backward
[03:23] <intelikey> dos undelete.com    ?
[03:24] <sebby> how can i have make om my pc?
[03:24] <Chemicalvamp> intelikey http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49565/
[03:25] <intelikey> iirc all M$-DO$ did was remove the first letter of the file name   and they were considered deleted
[03:25] <intelikey> !b-e | sebby
[03:25] <ubotu> sebby: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[03:26] <Chemicalvamp> lol isnt it true that dos means dirty operating system?
[03:28] <neville> Yeah, back with QDOS
[03:28] <neville> Quick and Dirty Operating System
[03:28] <intelikey> Chemicalvamp disk operating system     anyway.  the command line says there was no vga=  in the startup sequence.   and the lsmod says nothing about fbcon   which should probably load at post via the initramfs
[03:29] <Chemicalvamp> intelikey im gonna try one more thing brb
[03:30] <Chemicalvamp> intelikey defoptions=quiet splash vga=791 correct?
[03:34] <fsckr> ive downloaded a game with an .package extension can anyone tell me how I install that. I have never seen that extension b4
[03:35] <Agent_bob> nope
[03:35] <Agent_bob> file name extentions mean nothing to us.
[03:35] <Agent_bob> file thatfile.package and see what it is
[03:35] <fsckr> well usually i see a .run but this one is a .package
[03:36] <Agent_bob> file blah.package
[03:36] <fsckr>  Bourne-Again shell script text executable
[03:36] <Agent_bob> sh blah.package
[03:36] <Agent_bob> or   bash blah.package
[03:37] <Agent_bob> it does specify bash.  so better use it.
[03:37] <fsckr> yea im gettin somewheres now ty
[03:37] <Agent_bob> welcome.
[03:38] <Agent_bob> remember that and you can help others when they ask.
[03:38] <fsckr> most certainlwill thx
[03:40] <DaSkreech> !helpersnack | Agent_bob
[03:40] <ubotu> Agent_bob: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[03:40] <CheGuevara> lol
[03:40] <Agent_bob> !botsnack | self
[03:40] <ubotu> self: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[03:40] <CheGuevara> haha
[03:41] <masterk> hey guys I boot into kubuntus live cd and after its dont with all the text I just have a blank screen
[03:41] <masterk> why is this?
[03:41] <dthacker> masterk: how much RAM in your box?
[03:41] <masterk> 256mb
[03:42] <masterk> 1.1ghz celeron
[03:42] <Agent_bob> masterk one of two probable causes.  bad burn of the disk   ot vidio hardware not very well supported
[03:42] <Agent_bob> s/ot/or/
[03:42] <masterk> hmm...
[03:42] <masterk> I have 2 video cards in
[03:43] <DaSkreech> can you jump to terminal one ?
[03:43] <masterk> and the one I am using is dual monitor
[03:43] <masterk> jump to terminal?
[03:43] <masterk> how
[03:43] <Agent_bob> masterk that's probably the cause.
[03:44] <Gidean> Hello everyone...
[03:44] <Agent_bob> masterk when it boots you might swap to the other card to see if it is inadvertantly using the wrong one
[03:44] <Gidean> Merry Xmas...
[03:44] <masterk> nothing shows on the other card when I boot
[03:45] <Gidean> Sometimes the sound goes away on my Gutsy Kubuntu Laptop.  It returns when I reboot.  Anyone have a clue why this may be?
[03:45] <Agent_bob> masterk i said after it boots.  when all you have is a blank screen
[03:46] <masterk> oh I switched the monitor cable to the other card it didnt show
[03:46] <masterk> I am trying safe gfx mode now
[03:46] <Agent_bob> masterk ok.
[03:46] <Chemicalvamp> ok intelikely how do i add vga=788 to that command?
[03:46] <Gidean> ?
[03:47] <Agent_bob> Chemicalvamp the kernel= line that you boot
[03:47] <Agent_bob> Chemicalvamp in the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:47] <Chemicalvamp> ok so i was putting it in the wrong line
[03:48] <mrtimbo> this is the first time that i had to reinstall kubuntu and having a partition as /home saved most my settings and stuff
[03:48] <Agent_bob> Chemicalvamp you can test them with the edit feature of grub   select the boot opetion and hit [e]  then the kernel line and hit [e]  and add what you will    vga=791   for example
[03:49] <masterk> now after it loads the disk all I have is a blicking command cursor
[03:49] <Agent_bob> Chemicalvamp then  [b]  to boot
[03:49] <Myrth[home]> hi, is there anything to do about this: Setting up kdm (4:3.5.8-0ubuntu2.1) ... dpkg: error processing kdm (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[03:49] <masterk> and it just shut down
[03:49] <Agent_bob> masterk can you type into it ?
[03:49] <Agent_bob> oh
[03:50] <masterk> no it shut down when I pressed control alt and delete
[03:50] <masterk> oh I actually have 384 mb ram
[03:51] <Agent_bob> boot it with   nosplash   and see what the text message that it ends with is
[03:51] <masterk> how do I do nosplash?
[03:51] <CheGuevara> when on the grub menu, press e
[03:51] <Agent_bob> you add that word to the end of the boot line    select the safe gfx and then add   nosplash
[03:52] <CheGuevara> remove nosplash and press enter
[03:52] <Agent_bob> remove ?
[03:52] <CheGuevara> huh
[03:52] <CheGuevara> i need sleeps
[03:52] <CheGuevara> lol
[03:52] <Agent_bob> remove splash   or actually change it to  nosplash   is what he needs.
[03:53] <masterk> what am I supposed to see?
[03:53] <CheGuevara> yeah thats what i meant to say
[03:53] <masterk> I still see the kubuntu icon and the loading bar
[03:53] <Agent_bob> that's not it.
[03:53] <Agent_bob> you are gone to far if that's what you are seeing
[03:54] <Agent_bob> it's at the boot menu
[03:54] <CheGuevara> masterk: did you select the safe boot
[03:54] <masterk> yes
[03:54] <Agent_bob> select != and enter
[03:54] <masterk> I can type into that screen btw
[03:55] <masterk> but nothing happens when I do
[03:55] <masterk> I typed login
[03:55] <masterk> but nothing happened
[03:55] <CheGuevara> no where you select safe boot
[03:55] <CheGuevara> you need to press e
[03:55] <CheGuevara> add " nosplash" at the end of it
[03:55] <CheGuevara> and only then press enter
[03:56] <Agent_bob> [e] != [enter]
[03:56] <CheGuevara> yeah e as in the letter e
[03:56] <masterk> no line is popping up when I press e
[03:56] <masterk> do I press f6 for other options?
[03:57] <Agent_bob> yeah
[03:58] <masterk> acpi: invalid PBLK length [5]
[03:58] <masterk> so far
[03:58] <masterk> and sdc assuming...
[03:58] <Agent_bob> not a problem   so far
[03:58] <CheGuevara> oh this is a live cd
[03:58]  * CheGuevara blushes
[03:58] <CheGuevara> sorry :(
[03:58] <Agent_bob> CheGuevara yes
[03:59] <CheGuevara> thought we were talking about an installed system here, hence the grub instructions :P
[03:59] <DaSkreech> CheGuevara: Goooo to sleeeeep goo to sleeeeeep
[03:59] <Agent_bob> CheGuevara it's chemicalvampire that has that issue
[03:59] <CheGuevara> i will, i will DaSkreech its almost 4 am
[04:00] <masterk> ok it is like not loading anythign else form this point
[04:00] <Agent_bob> you westerners,   with your late mornings....
[04:00] <Agent_bob> masterk what's the last message ?
[04:01] <masterk> Starting K Display Manager: kdm.
[04:01] <masterk> * Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local) [ok]
[04:01] <masterk> then the screen blinks and I'm still here
[04:01] <Agent_bob> masterk ok.  try [ctrl]+[alt]+[f2]   see if you get a login prompt
[04:02] <Mr_Sonoma> if i wanted to format a disk in NTFS format, what command would i use?
[04:02] <masterk> yes I do
[04:02] <Agent_bob> should say you are "ubuntu"
[04:02] <ganjamaniac> whats backports?
[04:02] <masterk> I have ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[04:02] <Agent_bob> masterk sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow
[04:03] <masterk> ok I have a text mode screen
[04:03] <masterk> now what?
[04:04] <masterk> it asks me if I want to audo detect
[04:04] <Agent_bob> masterk  "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow "
[04:04] <masterk> I pressed enter
[04:04] <Agent_bob> ok
[04:04] <masterk> now it asked me what I want to use for the x server driver
[04:04] <Agent_bob> vesa
[04:05] <masterk> now what?
[04:05] <masterk> I forgot the name of the card...
[04:05] <Agent_bob> doesn't matter  just try the   vesa
[04:05] <masterk> it asks me to identify it
[04:05] <Agent_bob> blah
[04:06] <masterk> it has generic video card in it right now
[04:06] <masterk> hold on I have the video driver cd right here
[04:06] <Agent_bob> arbatrary input   you can call it what you will
[04:06] <masterk> should I look in the cd to find out?
[04:07] <Agent_bob> no
[04:07] <Agent_bob> just call it bob and move on
[04:07] <Agent_bob> how many ways do i need to say it ?
[04:07] <masterk> it asks for a pci bus identifier
[04:08] <Agent_bob> hit enter
[04:08] <Agent_bob> it will find the bus
[04:08] <Agent_bob> or a bus
[04:08] <masterk> use the kernal framebuffer device interface?
[04:08] <Agent_bob> masterk do you have more than one monitor hooked up ?
[04:08] <Agent_bob> masterk no no framebuffer
[04:08] <masterk> no only one
[04:09] <Agent_bob> ok
[04:09] <masterk> keyboard model???
[04:10] <Agent_bob> xorg
[04:10] <masterk> it says pc105 right now
[04:10] <Agent_bob> oh yeah leave that
[04:10] <masterk> variant?
[04:10] <Agent_bob> enter
[04:11] <masterk> mouse port?
[04:11] <masterk> I have usb
[04:11] <masterk> optical
[04:11] <Agent_bob> ok just hit enter
[04:11] <masterk> xorg server modules?
[04:12] <masterk> btw I also have a tv tuner
[04:12] <Agent_bob> for now just hit enter
[04:13] <masterk> method for selecting monitor characteristics?
[04:13] <Agent_bob> simple
[04:13] <masterk> ok I finished
[04:14] <masterk> now what
[04:14] <Agent_bob> startx
[04:14] <Agent_bob> type that
[04:14] <masterk> no sceeens found
[04:14] <Agent_bob> did the screen ever blink ?
[04:14] <masterk> yes
[04:14] <Agent_bob> ok.
[04:15] <masterk> its an old screen
[04:15] <masterk> even windowsz never shows it but it stilldisplays
[04:15] <masterk> like with monitor detection on my video card, it never shows up but I still get display out of it
[04:16] <Agent_bob> shouldn't matter linux should work with the monitor   it's the multiple vidio cards that are probably confusing it
[04:16] <ubuntu_> ola
[04:16] <masterk> should I try to disable the onboard video?
[04:16] <bruno_renostro> ola
[04:17] <Agent_bob> masterk probably.   and if need be you can walk back through the xorg configuration  you now know how.
[04:18] <Agent_bob> !es | bruno_renostro si ola;
[04:18] <ubotu> bruno_renostro si ola;: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[04:19] <linuxdomo> merry christmas
[04:19] <masterk> I cannot disable to onboard video
[04:19] <Agent_bob> DaSkreech you got this channel ?   i'm getting pretty busy here
[04:20] <DaSkreech> I was just heading to bed :-(
[04:20] <DaSkreech> clearing it now
[04:20] <DaSkreech> I can hang out for an hour or so
[04:20] <ehc> audacity will play a song but I don't hear anything. I can listen to amarok fine though.
[04:20] <Agent_bob> masterk lspci can reviel the bus address  and you can go back through the config and set that propperly   you have other consoles you can use for checking things like that  alt+f1 --- alt+f6
[04:21] <Agent_bob> DaSkreech k.  i'm out.   just do what you can.   some one else will pick up the slack
[04:21] <DaSkreech> ehc: What is audacity using to play?
[04:21] <DaSkreech> Agent_bob: thanks a lot man get some rest
[04:22] <ehc> DaSkreech, I don't know, just the defualt I assume
[04:22] <Agent_bob> i wish.   it's work pressing.
[04:22] <unix_infidel>   /quit
[04:23] <DaSkreech> ehc: Ahmm. Not sure I've not used audacity.
[04:23] <DaSkreech> #ubuntustudio might be another good place to ask
[04:23] <ehc> DaSkreech, okay
[04:27] <CheGuevara> i bet it uses gstreamer
[04:29] <backupp> !img
[04:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about img - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:29] <backupp> how to burn a .img file into a cd in kubuntu? i tried k3b but it doesn't accept .img file..
[04:29] <Chemicalvamp> I need to boot a CD image extracted to a USB flash drive. how do i tell grub to boot it? same as a windows partition?
[04:30] <erichj> backupp: should get you where you need to be http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=215386
[04:30] <se7en> how do i check if my hdd is broken
[04:31] <se7en> !fdisk
[04:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fdisk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:31] <CheGuevara> backupp: have you tried Tools, CD, Burn ISO image and Tools in k3b
[04:32] <CheGuevara> umm i mean
[04:32] <CheGuevara> tools burn iso image
[04:33] <erichj> backupp: you can also download i.e. 'sudo apt-get install ccd2iso' to convert the img file to an iso and then burn it
[04:33] <CheGuevara> se7en: best way would be to run a hard drive checking tool from your hard drive manufactures
[04:33] <backupp> CheGuevara: yup that's what i did but it doesn't accept my .img file..
[04:33] <backupp> tomsrtbt-2.0.103.ElTorito.288.img
[04:33] <CheGuevara> se7en: if you let me know which make of hd it is, i'll link you
[04:33] <backupp> erichj: oh ok..i'll try
[04:34] <se7en> CheGuevara: seagate
[04:34] <CheGuevara> backupp: try sudo apt-get kiso
[04:35] <ardchoille> CheGuevara: Does kiso works with .img files?
[04:35] <erichj> backupp: and to do that just open a terminal where the .img is and type ccd2iso <img file> <whatever.iso> and you should be good. from everything i remember ccd and img are the same thing and i have never had any issues converting img files with that tool
[04:35] <CheGuevara> se7en: http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools/
[04:36] <CheGuevara> ardchoille: yeah it does
[04:36] <CheGuevara> well it will convert to iso not burn
[04:36] <ardchoille> CheGuevara: That's good to know
[04:36] <DaSkreech> !install
[04:36] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[04:37] <se7en> thanks CheGuevara can you scan with fdisk for badblocks as well
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Chemicalvamp:^^^^
[04:37] <CheGuevara> se7en: no fdisk is to format partitions
[04:37] <Dragnslcr> se7en- you may want fsck
[04:37] <Chemicalvamp> DaSkreech thats not what i need
[04:37] <masterk> in lspci it says the bus is 01:0e.0 do I put in 1:0e:0 into the xserver config?
[04:38] <Chemicalvamp> i need to know how to boot a flash drive as if it where a cd/dvd
[04:38] <DaSkreech> Chemicalvamp: The last link
[04:38] <se7en> Dragnslcr: yes thats it ...
[04:38] <backupp> erichj: ccd2iso doesn't work.. but i found out it must be done using mkisofs.. i think it will work! thanks anyway
[04:39] <CheGuevara> se7en: if you want to check under linux, man badblocks
[04:39] <masterk> Agent_bob: in lspci it says the bus is 01:0e.0 do I put in 1:0e:0 into the xserver config?
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Chemicalvamp: as far  as I know your MB has to support boot from USB
[04:39] <CheGuevara> fsck is more for checking for file system corruption, not bad blocks
[04:40] <DaSkreech> !info badblocks
[04:40] <ubotu> Package badblocks does not exist in gutsy
[04:40] <CheGuevara> its part of e2fsutils
[04:40] <se7en> fsck.ext3: Unable to resolve 'UUID=3a1ce555-dc1c-4624-8668-66133584e4a3'
[04:40] <backupp> !mkisofs
[04:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mkisofs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <ardchoille> !info mkisofs | backupp
[04:41] <ubotu> backupp: mkisofs: Creates ISO-9660 CD-ROM filesystem images. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10:2.01.01a33-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 338 kB, installed size 1296 kB
[04:41] <CheGuevara> e2fsprogs that is
[04:42] <dwidmann> Hmm, I've got a question, if anybody knows of course. I'm not quite sure what controls my laptops volumeup key, but does anyone know what might? And if so, how to adjust how much it adjusts the volume by?
[04:42] <CheGuevara> se7en: whats the command you typed in
[04:42] <masterk> does anyone know the format to put into the xserver sorg video card bus identifier? I need to put what showed up in lspci in which is 01:0e.0
[04:42] <se7en> CheGuevara: fsck -p and fsck -c come both back with fsck.ext3: Unable to resolve 'UUID
[04:43] <masterk> xorg*
[04:43] <CheGuevara> se7en: add /dev/sdx at the end
[04:43] <CheGuevara> where x is some letter probably a
[04:43] <dwidmann> masterk: BusID           "PCI:0:2:0" is what my line looks like
[04:43] <Chemicalvamp> DaSkreech well that is what i needed.. just backwards. i need to know how to boot a windows cd from grub
[04:43] <Dragnslcr> dwidmann- I don't know where that might be in the normal settings, but you might be able to do it with keytouch
[04:44] <dwidmann> Dragnslcr: do tell
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Chemicalvamp: Put it on your hard drive and point grub at it
[04:44] <Dragnslcr> !keytouch
[04:44] <ubotu> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[04:44] <masterk> yeah but lspci shows 01:0e.0 so how does that put into the xorg configuration?
[04:44] <se7en> CheGuevara: fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block
[04:44] <Chemicalvamp> DaSkreech just root hd0,0? nothing else?
[04:45] <CheGuevara> oh crap thats supposed to be a partition
[04:45] <CheGuevara> sorry :P
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Chemicalvamp: read the site :)
[04:45] <dwidmann> masterk: hm, if all else fails, experiment. I'd try it without the e first.
[04:45] <CheGuevara> se7en: /dev/sda1 try that
[04:45] <se7en> CheGuevara: that was fsck -cp /dev/sda1/
[04:45] <Chemicalvamp> DaSkreech i did, it tells you how to boot a linux install CD from a partition on your harddrive
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Right
[04:46] <DaSkreech> and what's the problem?
[04:46] <Chemicalvamp> i need grub to boot a windows cd
[04:46] <CheGuevara> se7en: probably wrong partition then
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Chemicalvamp: is the CD bootable?
[04:47] <Chemicalvamp> yes
[04:47] <CheGuevara> dwidmann: http://pastebin.ca/832413 something like that
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Then it works the same way
[04:47] <DaSkreech> no magic
[04:47] <se7en> CheGuevara:  i have one hdd 2 partitions sda1 is the system and sda2 my data
[04:47] <CheGuevara> sorry wrong nick
[04:47] <CheGuevara> masterk: http://pastebin.ca/832413
[04:48] <CheGuevara> se7en: if you are deffinetely sure that its the right partion, then your partion might be messe up
[04:48] <Chemicalvamp> well than where on this windows MCE CD is the vmlinuz and initramfs.img?
[04:48] <masterk> CheGuevara I will try that
[04:49] <se7en> CheGuevara: that was the answer i was not hoping for ...
[04:49] <CheGuevara> se7en: why did you want to check your hard drive in the first place?
[04:50] <masterk> still no screens found and the screen did blink
[04:50] <CheGuevara> masterk: post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere
[04:51] <masterk> how?
[04:51] <CheGuevara> somewhere = pastebin
[04:51] <se7en> CheGuevara:  because i can boot and work for about 10 min and than everything falls apart ... like ls comand not found
[04:51] <CheGuevara> good question
[04:51] <DaSkreech> Chemicalvamp: it would look like a normal Windows partition bootup line. No need for those
[04:51] <CheGuevara> se7en: have you backed up all your important data  yet?
[04:52] <se7en> CheGuevara: there was a black out last night ... i am backing up right now
[04:52] <masterk> where do I get the log?
[04:53] <CheGuevara> se7en: there's a way to fix that bag magic number error, but i hate messing with file systems
[04:53] <CheGuevara> masterk: it should be in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:54] <se7en> jo thanks anyway you have been a great help i guess i have to install new ...
[04:54] <CheGuevara> se7en: one sec
[04:54] <CheGuevara> what does tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 say | grep 'Block size'
[04:54] <CheGuevara> meh
[04:55] <CheGuevara> what does tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 | grep 'Block size'
[04:55] <CheGuevara> say :P
[04:56] <masterk> it says in the log that the video card I want is pci:1:14:0 should I use this?
[04:56] <CheGuevara> masterk: what are the errors in the log file
[04:57] <CheGuevara> they will have (EE) in brackets before them
[04:57] <masterk> oh snap I used that pci instead and now I have it loading
[04:57] <masterk> I see a mouse
[04:57] <masterk> and a blue scren
[04:57] <masterk> and now a spalsh
[04:57] <CheGuevara> nice :P
[04:58] <se7en> CheGuevara: i can't even backup dolphin doesn't start and in the terminal cp: cannot stat `.mozilla': Input/output error
[04:58] <CheGuevara> se7en: yeah i recomen a re-install, you can try messing with fixing the file system, but it rarely ends good
[04:59] <se7en> thanks CheGuevara :(
[04:59] <CheGuevara> np se7en, sorry for the unhappy news
[05:00] <se7en> well the sys is up and running since 1.5 years so i guess its time :)
[05:01] <CheGuevara> heh
[05:02] <CheGuevara> DaSkreech: you cool here if i got to sleep?
[05:02] <DaSkreech> CheGuevara: seems so
[05:03] <ganjamaniac> heh amarcock works fine
[05:03] <ganjamaniac> but someone knows a digital tv watching program like progdvb?
[05:04] <CheGuevara> amarcock? :P
[05:04] <earthcreed> I've been looking around for help on a click-to-focus issue.  I am running Gutsy and I have installed compiz-fusion as per the instructions on wiki.ubuntu.com.  I like my focus model to be click-to-focus, but it is currently set to focus-follows-mouse.  I have tried changing the settings in both compiz-config-manager and kcontrol and neither setting seems to take effect.
[05:06] <DaSkreech> Well if you are running Compiz it would be a compiz issue
[05:06] <DaSkreech> !compiz
[05:06] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[05:06] <DaSkreech> I'm assuming those are the instructions you followed?
[05:07] <earthcreed> Those were the instructions.
[05:09] <earthcreed> Hrm, I have one question that might be better answered here.
[05:09] <omar> Guys how do I deal with tar.gz files??
[05:10] <earthcreed> I followed the above instructions, and then I tried to uninstall compiz, by removing the shell script in my ~/.kde/Autostart/ directory.  Unfortunately it still autostarts.
[05:10] <tai> i can barely type because my computer is running so slow.  can't get compix to work with my ati card.... i need to revert back to what originally came with kubuntu
[05:10] <earthcreed> Oh, goodie, a second to my question.
[05:11] <tai> compiz
[05:11] <CheGuevara> omar: just open them from the file browser
[05:11] <CheGuevara> tai: can't you just deinstall the compiz packages
[05:13] <omar> CheGuevara: No compression tools needed here?
[05:13] <backupp> !ntfs
[05:13] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[05:13] <backupp> !ntfs-3g
[05:13] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[05:14] <CheGuevara> omar: tools to open tar.gz will be installed by default on kubuntu
[05:14] <earthcreed> omar: It is called Ark and it is integrated into the system
[05:14] <earthcreed> !compiz
[05:14] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[05:15] <omar> earthcreed: Yes I know Ark, I tried to use it but it failed to extract the file
[05:15] <NickPresta> Any idea how to provide all processing power to the ffmpeg decoder so I can watch a high res, mp4 video?
[05:16] <CheGuevara> man renice
[05:17] <NickPresta> CheGuevara, yes, I know of nice-ness but I'm playing the video in VLC. Would I renice VLC?
[05:17] <CheGuevara> yeah
[05:17] <CheGuevara> am really of to sleep now
[05:17] <CheGuevara> good night
[05:17] <DaSkreech> omar: try tar xzvf <filename>
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Night
[05:18] <omar> DaSkreech: in the terminal?
[05:19] <DaSkreech> omar: yes
[05:22] <prot01> hello all
[05:22] <tai> im super new to this and i don't know how
[05:22] <nalioth> hi prot01
[05:22] <prot01> I have a query on partiotions
[05:22] <nalioth> !tell prot01 about fstab
[05:22] <DaSkreech> tai: how?
[05:22] <nalioth> prot01: i assume you already got the !ntfs message?
[05:23] <prot01> yes....i got it ..but mine doesnt show it as NTFS
[05:23] <prot01> i am not able to access it at all...even though it has around 20 gb of space
[05:23] <DaSkreech> tai: Ah how to uninstall? Are you comfortable with the command line?
[05:23] <nalioth> prot01: open a terminal, please
[05:24] <prot01> yes I will do that....sorry for annoying nalioth..
[05:25] <prot01> u mean new chat terminal here or on my kubuntu machine...
[05:25] <nalioth> prot01: open a konsole on your machine in question
[05:25] <prot01> i have already opened a terminal..
[05:25] <prot01> yes i have..
[05:26] <nalioth> prot01: type "sudo fdisk -l" and put the output in a pastebin, please
[05:27] <prot01> sure nalioth....
[05:28] <DaSkreech> !pastebin
[05:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:28] <earthcreed> So just removing the Packages worked great to remove Compiz
[05:29] <earthcreed> I was worried that it would break things if I removed it without setting my window manager back to default.
[05:30] <pete__> whoa
[05:30] <DaSkreech> earthcreed: you can type kwin --replace to get back kwin  :)
[05:30] <pete__> merry christmas
[05:30] <mrtimbo> you too pete_
[05:30] <pete__> im jewish
[05:30] <pete__> haha
[05:30] <pete__> but ty
[05:30]  * earthcreed Thanks DaSkreech!
[05:31] <prot01> i am back with the result here : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49569/
[05:31] <prot01> I am trying to access sda6, it shows as linux....
[05:32] <nalioth> prot01: then adjust your fstab to make it so
[05:32] <flaccid> !ntfs
[05:32] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[05:32] <prot01> but thats not my active partition
[05:32] <prot01> i wish to format it
[05:32] <flaccid> !mount
[05:32] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:33] <nalioth> prot01: then use qtparted
[05:33] <prot01> and access it
[05:33] <prot01> ok
[05:33] <prot01> thanks i will give a try
[05:33] <nalioth> flaccid: it works better if you !tell NICK about FACTOID.  randomly filling the channel doesn't work real well
[05:33] <Thingus> Anyone know if there is a new 2.1.2 deb for Freeciv?
[05:33] <Thingus> Or, do I have to compile the new version?
[05:33] <flaccid> nalioth: indeed. but im lazy and don't care
[05:34] <fildo> ahha
[05:34] <nalioth> Thingus: i suspect #freeciv holds the answers
[05:34] <fildo> ill cheers to that
[05:35] <nalioth> in busy channels like #ubuntu, that method saves a lot of trouble for everybody
[05:36] <Thingus> nalioth: Thanks
[05:36] <flaccid> this is not #ubuntu
[05:36] <nalioth> flaccid: but it is still very random.  at least, do !factoid | NICK to get folks' attention
[05:37] <flaccid> nalioth: what if i say no?
[05:38]  * Hobbsee looks in
[05:38] <ardchoille> hi Hobbsee
[05:39] <Hobbsee> heya ardchoille
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Thingus: try getdeb.net
[05:43]  * flaccid goes to get a beer
[05:44] <masterk> what is the default user and pass for apache?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> flaccid: if you say no, then none of us have to reason with you, in keeping with the "lazy and don't care" attitude, and can give you a permanent kickban.
[05:45] <ardchoille> When I type "about:konqueror" into konqueror, a nice webpage comes up. Where is that page located? I'd like to use it as a template for a bookmarks page on my box.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> flaccid: because we'll just use the "lazy and don't care" attitude right back on you, when you come and appeal it.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> flaccid: just a FYI
[05:45] <flaccid> Hobbsee: dude there is no issue here. people can help how they wish, this is freenode
[05:46] <flaccid> if i have broken an official rule please provide a URI
[05:48] <lain> hi guys how do I setup my tv tuner?
[05:49] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: I'd bet /usr/doc/something
[05:49] <ardchoille> DaSkreech: Aha, didn't think to look there
[05:49] <NickPresta> ardchoille, check out: /usr/share/apps/konqueror/about. They apparently use a template sort of system so you have to think a bit but it's fairly self-explanatory
[05:49] <DaSkreech> !coc | flaccid
[05:49] <ubotu> flaccid: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[05:50] <flaccid> DaSkreech: specifically? i mean i feel offended so is that a breach of coc. do we really have to be trivial?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> flaccid: it falls under "use your common sense"
[05:50] <Hobbsee> flaccid: and !msgthebot, etc
[05:50] <flaccid> right, can you please leave me alone, that is also common sense
[05:51] <earthcreed> !tell earthcreed about !coc
[05:51] <Hobbsee> not really, because i care about useful information provided to the channel.
[05:51] <Hobbsee> earthcreed: no second !
[05:51] <Hobbsee> which is not by giving out random factoids
[05:51] <flaccid> and Hobbsee, im a frequent helper, so i would have to say i do as well
[05:52] <Hobbsee> when you're not trolling, sure.
[05:52] <flaccid> have a look at logs and see how many times i did it correctly yesterday..
[05:52] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[05:52] <nalioth> earthcreed: you can also use !tell me about FACTOID
[05:53] <nalioth> earthcreed: or even /msg ubotu FACTOID
[05:53] <prot01> I have done partition but i am not able to enable it...please help me ubotu
[05:53] <nalioth> prot01: ubotu is a bot
[05:53] <prot01> ohh sorry nalioth
[05:53] <nalioth> !tell prot01 about mount
[05:53] <prot01> i have formatted using qparted
[05:53] <Hobbsee> flaccid: btw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines - the section on bot abuse.
[05:53] <prot01> but now it is in disabled state
[05:54] <Hobbsee> flaccid: if you must require rules for everything
[05:54] <flaccid> Hobbsee: i've already read them many times in the past. can i please ask you to adhere as well by showing some respect
[05:54] <prot01> so how do I enable the partition for me to access it...
[05:54] <flaccid> i don't believe i've breached anything
[05:54]  * Hobbsee notes no ban since october 30
[05:55] <ardchoille> DaSkreech: I didn't find anything in /usr/share/doc, but I could have been looking in the wrong place
[05:55] <flaccid> can you also note, the hundreds of hours i have spent helping people in this channel, Hobbsee?
[05:55] <nalioth> prot01: did you read the latest info ubotu sent you?
[05:56] <NickPresta> ardchoille, did you see my message?
[05:56] <nalioth> flaccid: the point of the bot having so many service vectors is to make it easy on the helped
[05:56]  * Hobbsee restarts X
[05:56] <prot01> no not completely....but since I partitioned linux to fat32 i am in a new territory altogether...
[05:56] <prot01> however i am doing that now again...
[05:56] <flaccid> nalioth: i know how to use the bot. you are welcome to check the logs to see that.
[05:57] <flaccid> say the last 6 months would be a good cross section
[05:57] <nalioth> then if you know, flaccid, where does the 'lazy' part come in?
[05:57] <flaccid> nalioth: its boxing day and i forgot twice, and in 1 second i have 2 people coming down my back
[05:57] <flaccid> why make a big deal out of something so small?
[05:58] <nalioth> small things add up.
[05:58] <flaccid> they do?
[05:59] <flaccid> what other small things are you talking about nalioth?
[06:01] <ardchoille> DaSkreech: It's in /usr/share/apps/konqueror/about :)
[06:01] <flaccid> i have to reboot brb
[06:02] <NickPresta> ardchoille, I told you that 7 minutes ago ;)
[06:02] <ardchoille> NickPresta: Sorry, I must have missed it
[06:02] <nalioth> NickPresta: you know kids these days, they never listen  :P
[06:03] <NickPresta> nalioth, heh. I'm sure it was an honest mistake =)
[06:03] <ardchoille> NickPresta: It it was a PM, I never got it :(
[06:04] <NickPresta> ardchoille, nope. I said it in the channel, twice. heh. Oh well. At least you found the location.
[06:04] <SirChasm> Is it possible to get other plugins besides Flash (i.e. Java and MPlayer) to work in the 64-bit Firefox?
[06:05] <nalioth> SirChasm: if they're open source plugins, surely.  proprietary ones, i suspect you'd be out of luck
[06:05] <ardchoille> NickPresta: Ah, ok, thank you for the info :)
[06:06] <NickPresta> ardchoille, I'm actually curious about the template system, type thing, that is used in those HTML documents. All the "content" is replaced with "%1" but the actual content is in a comment right next to the "%1". Strange.
[06:06] <SirChasm> sorry guys, back
[06:06] <Trigger> hey guys if i dl an iso to a flash drive and set the flash drive to boot up as a dvd drive
[06:06] <SirChasm> apparently closing a chat window in pidgin quits the whole program 0_o
[06:06] <Trigger> can I get a comp with only a bios to run kubuntu
[06:07] <flaccid> Trigger: you could do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[06:08] <krawek> SirChasm: http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/
[06:09] <ardchoille> NickPresta: And the way they put it together makes it difficult to figure out
[06:09] <NickPresta> ardchoille, I'm sure there is a method to the madness. There usually is. Although it seems to be it would be easier to just write the actual content in the document. It isn't like it is difficult to change or update.
[06:10] <SirChasm> krawek: they exclude Java from the compatibility list. Do you know what to do about Java?
[06:10] <ardchoille> NickPresta: True
[06:11] <nalioth> SirChasm: java is in the repos
[06:11] <flaccid> !java | SirChasm
[06:11] <ubotu> SirChasm: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:11] <krawek> java is not supported ?
[06:11]  * flaccid winks @ nalioth
[06:11] <DaSkreech> !flash64
[06:11] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[06:12] <krawek> SirChasm: kubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:12] <flaccid> DaSkreech: hey you didn't seem to direct that to anyone!
[06:12] <SirChasm> holy, ok, one at a time :p
[06:12] <DaSkreech> flaccid: Didn't know who asked originally
[06:13] <SirChasm> DaSkreech: I have that page open already, and it outlines the steps for the 32-bit FF. I'm interested in the 64-bit FF. For the 64-bit they only talk about the nspluginwrapper for flash, and that's it. Hence my question abou the other plugins.
[06:13] <DaSkreech> SirChasm: that would be correcy
[06:13] <DaSkreech> t
[06:15] <flaccid> DaSkreech: check your log first then. i just got in big trouble for that
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Ok
[06:16] <flaccid> im off
[06:16] <se7en> CheGuevara: looks like the sys was screwed up ...
[06:16] <SirChasm> damnation! he left before I finished asking my question.
[06:17] <SirChasm> maybe someone else can answer
[06:19] <SirChasm> ok, suppose I have the nspluginwrapper, 64-bit FF, and sun-java5-jre package. From there, how do I get FF to understnad that Java is installed, or will it be automatic?
[06:19] <nalioth> SirChasm: java is available for all arches of kubuntu, if you visit the page DaSkreech poked out of the bot, it'll explain a bit
[06:19] <nalioth> SirChasm: it should be automatic upon a restart of firefox
[06:21] <SirChasm> nalioth: so I'll have to create a link like that page says to the sun-java6-jre package, and that's it?
[06:21] <SirChasm> java5*
[06:22] <nalioth> SirChasm: just like it says :)
[06:22] <SirChasm> hmm ok
[06:22] <SirChasm> so then it's technically possible to run a 64-bit FF
[06:23] <SirChasm> a fully-functioning 64-bit FF, I should add
[06:23] <SirChasm> excellent
[06:23] <sn00zer> hello, I changed my external hardrive icon manually via right click->properties, how do I make it so that it goes back to default, then changes when I change icon themes?
[06:33] <Linux_Galore> sn00zer: exactly the same way
[06:34] <SirChasm> heh, I installed Synaptic Package Manager, and now I don't remember why
[06:36] <homercycles> I need to add "mbmon -r -P 61234" to the system startup so that GKrellM's sensor monitor will always read the sensors. What's the best way to add this to my "autoexec.bat" in Linux?
[06:37] <biovore> rc.local in /etc/rc.local is probably the simplest way..
[06:37] <biovore> get run everytime the run-level changes
[06:37] <biovore> and on boot
[06:37] <homercycles> and it'll be run as root?
[06:37] <biovore> yup
[06:38] <biovore> paste it in before the "exit 0" line.. should work..
[06:38] <homercycles> what if I exit X Windows, that changes the runlevel? will it run another mbmon?
[06:38] <biovore> Not sure on the new init system on ubuntu iwhe nit gets loaded..
[06:38] <biovore> nope..
[06:39] <homercycles> excellent. thanks for your help.
[06:39] <biovore> on kubuntu you only change run levels if you force it with init <runlevel number>
[06:39] <biovore> or you shutdown.. but I don't think it runs rc.local on shutdown or reboot..
[06:39] <biovore> the only runlevel kubuntu uses is 2.. I think..
[06:39] <biovore> 0 -- system start
[06:40] <biovore> 1 -- kernel loading (single user more, no network)
[06:40] <homercycles> thanks. I switched to Linux (for good, I hope) only a few days ago. I'm documenting what I've done here: http://marcfearby.com/computing/the-migration-of-a-fussy-windows-user-to-linux
[06:40] <biovore> 2 -- full multiuser system
[06:40] <homercycles> 5 is X Windows, IIRC?
[06:40] <biovore> on redhat, suse it is..
[06:40] <DaSkreech> homercycles: :)
[06:40] <homercycles> I've dabbled in Linux before... it just never took
[06:40] <biovore> I believe is runlevel 2 on ubuntu, and debian.
[06:43] <NickPresta> homercycles, you might consider KMail instead of Thunderbird. I find it is a much better alternative.
[06:44] <homercycles> I may eventually do that but, for now, I want something that I'm familiar with and still provides the option of use on any operating system. I don't want to totally divorce myself from Windows just yet :-)
[06:45] <homercycles> last time I used Thunderbird, but then decided to give Outlook a try, I had to run an "mbox2eml" program to convert it, load it into Outlook Express, then get Outlook to import it. Switching email programs is not very pleasant, to say the least
[06:46] <homercycles> I remain impressed with Kubuntu and other KDE offerings, though, especially K3b and KTorrent
[06:46] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:46] <DaSkreech> great
[06:47] <etsanta> Kubuntu 7.10 has a nice theme according to me  out of the box-
[06:47] <DaSkreech> what are you not impressed with lets start getting that to irresistable status
[06:47] <NickPresta> homercycles, about your OOo issue. Check out: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries
[06:49] <NickPresta> homercycles, then in OOo, go to Tools > Option > Language Settings > Languages. Make sure you have everything setup correctly. In that same sub-menu, click on Writing Aids. Make sure you have "check spelling as you type" and such enabled. Make sure you have your OOo dictionaries checked.
[06:49] <homercycles> NickPresta: going to file, wizard, install new dictionaries in Writer actually crashed OOo :-(  very strange
[06:50] <NickPresta> homercycles, I remember having this problem with Debian so there is a solution. It just isn't very intuitive.
[06:51] <NickPresta> and as for the Firefox issue, the reason why you don't get updates all the time or right away, is because sometimes there is no need to. For example, some updates for Fx are fixes for Windows related bugs. Obviously there wouldn't be that version in the repo because it is no different from the previous version.
[06:52] <ardchoille> NickPresta: That is an excellent explanation
[06:52] <ardchoille> I'm going to use that.
[06:52] <homercycles> since installing FF 2.0.0.11 it still doesn't render the occasional web page, so I guess 2.0.0.6 was good enough
[06:53] <NickPresta> ardchoille, well, that, and the fact that new releases aren't pushed into the repos on the same day due to testing and the MOTU being human and all ;)
[06:53] <biovore> active X == Evil
[06:53] <NickPresta> homercycles, which web pages? Flash-intensive pages?
[06:53] <ardchoille> NickPresta: Yeah
[06:56] <homercycles> NickPresta: I just edited my blog entry on Kubuntu then hit refresh and it wouldn't reload, even though it went through the motions as if it was reloading. The scroll bar doesn't work when this happens, too. There's no flash on my blog
[06:56] <K`zan> Hi folks, suddenly my .wmv files quit playing back - get audio but no video.  Any thoughts appreciated.
[06:57] <NickPresta> homercycles, I don't know what to tell you. *shrug* My installation of Fx is very reliable when I'm not dealing with Flash related stuff. Is this behavior unique to Fx or do you notice it in Konqueror or another browser?
[06:57] <homercycles> I haven't used Konqueror enough to know for sure but what I do know is that if I load the same recalcitrant page in Konq then Konq loads it fine
[06:58] <homercycles> I haven't installed Compiz or anything crazy like that, either :-)
[06:59] <NickPresta> homercycles, hmm, strange. Overall though, your issues seem fairly minimal. I'm sure a couple more days of tinkering will fix everything.
[07:00] <homercycles> NickPresta: I'm not sure what kind of tinkerage might resolve my Firefox issues but, on the whole, my move to Linux this time has been much more pleasant
[07:01] <homercycles> The threat of Vista has probably helped, too :-)
[07:01] <NickPresta> homercycles, that's good. If you're having a consistent problem with Firefox (write down specific pages so other Fx users can test them too), you might want to make a forum post on the ubuntu forums so you can be helped or directed to file a bug report.
[07:01] <NickPresta> homercycles, heh :)
[07:02] <homercycles> Kubuntu doesn't load the screen saver after the configured 5 minutes, either. I haven't dwelled on it but maybe there's something else I have to enable?
[07:02] <homercycles> if FF gets annoying I'll do that because this can't go on
[07:02] <NickPresta> homercycles, does the screensaver not start or it doesn't put up a "screen" or what, specifically, doesn't work?
[07:03] <homercycles> if 2.0.0.11 isn't really needed for Linux then should I go back to the 2.0.0.6 deb package? If I did that then everything that looks for Firefox will be happy again, I guess
[07:03] <homercycles> the screen saver just never shows up. no error message, no blank screen, no nufink
[07:05] <homercycles> I tell a lie. I just set it to 1 minute and now it shows up. I swear that it was never on if I left the room for half an hour and came back when it was set to 5 minutes
[07:06] <NickPresta> homercycles, I sometimes have that problem. There is a bug filed for this (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeartwork/+bug/155490) so it should be resolved relatively soon
[07:07] <homercycles> I've taken to turning off my monitor when I leave the room for extended periods now
[07:07] <homercycles> it's nice to know it's a bug and not just me, though. thanks
[07:08] <NickPresta> homercycles, well, I usually lock my session, which starts my screensaver, and then turn off the monitors.
[07:08] <homercycles> locking the session for me simply leaves a snapshot of my desktop and apps. I don't get a screen saver
[07:09] <K`zan> Gonna try the m$ fix, it was working so perhaps a reboot...
[07:21] <gustavo> hola
[07:21] <NickPresta> !es | gustavo
[07:21] <ubotu> gustavo: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[07:23] <n1> !ru
[07:23] <ubotu> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[07:26] <momal> Does anyone know how to change volume for just front speakers with 5.1?
[07:26] <n1> !en
[07:26] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[07:47] <arkaitz> hola
[07:47] <arkaitz> alguien habla castellano?
[07:47] <arkaitz> XD
[07:47] <se7en> somebody use kmail with different pop3 accounts? all 3 accounts end up in the only one inbox i have ...
[07:48] <ardchoille> se7en: You can change that in the accounts tab
[07:49] <ardchoille> se7en: Settings > Configure kmail > Accounts, click on the account > mocify > Destination folder
[07:49] <ardchoille> *modify
[07:50] <ardchoille> se7en: iirc, you have to create the new folder first, tho
[07:51] <se7en> ok destination folder was my first guess but i have only inbox to choose from
[07:51] <ardchoille> se7en: You have to create the new folder first, once it's created, it will show up in Destination folder list
[07:52] <se7en> jo thanks ardchoille done :)
[07:52] <ardchoille> se7en: yw :)
[08:00] <kristjan_> hey, how do I configure kde so that copied files from "cdrom" to $HOME won't be write-protected?
[08:00] <ehc> when I am running compiz my computer is really slow and crashes every now and then. How can I check if I am using all of my computers capabilities and this problem is due to hardware inadeqcies? I have a dual core processor and 2 gb ram, but I am using 256mb allocated to my onboard nvidia video card. I should have the proprietary drivers for the nvidia working,
[08:02] <kristjan_> ehc: since the drivers are closed source - your best bet is nvidia forums http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14
[08:03] <se7en> !compiz
[08:03] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[08:10] <se7en> n
[08:15] <rdvon> Hello, I was about to take out one of my hdd's, But it's the one with ubuntu installed so I wasn't if it would ruin the grub setup and not let me boot into windows again. so How would I take grub off?
[08:21] <ehc> !xgl
[08:21] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[08:22] <ehc> kristjan_, okay I think that might have helped, I added some stuff to my setup. However when I ran compiz I noticed that XGL wasn't present. What is XGL and do I want/need it?
[08:23] <jessy_james> cat viena un cancar a tuti
[08:25] <rabia> hi
[08:26] <se7en> !compiz
[08:26] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[08:30] <michael___> hello everyone season greetings... i not to long installed the kubuntu os and i ran the adept update and it was doin its thing ...then whenever i use adept and install a package i keep getting this message http://www.pastebin.ca/832532
[08:33] <michael___> i google it but i keep pointin me to app error with opera and i don't have opera browser installed
[08:35] <ardchoille> !ghost > Jack3
[08:36] <unix_infidel> ardchoille: why have the bot do that?
[08:36] <ehc> is there a way to completely set a app back to its beginning default settings without removing it and redownloading and installing?
[08:37] <unix_infidel> ehc: which app?
[08:37] <ehc> unix_infidel, audacity
[08:37] <unix_infidel> iirc, audacity has an ~/.audacity folder.
[08:37] <ardchoille> unix_infidel: Because I don't feel like repeating something that the bot can do faster :)
[08:38] <unix_infidel> ardchoille: lol, just alias your client commands :-P
[08:38] <unix_infidel> ehc: To answer your question more directly...
[08:38] <ardchoille> unix_infidel: I think you misunderstood :)
[08:38] <unix_infidel> rm -rf ~/.audacity
[08:38] <ardchoille> !ghost > unix_infidel
[08:38] <ehc> unix_infidel, thanks
[08:39] <unix_infidel> ardchoille: ahhh
[08:39] <jussi01> !opabuse
[08:39] <ubotu> leave the ops alone ktnxbye
[08:39] <jussi01> :D
[08:39] <ardchoille> hehe
[08:40] <ardchoille> jussi01: I'll have to remember that one
[08:40] <jussi01> :)
[08:47] <Alchera> i have an irritation .... all to do with dvd's (dl & rw's) when trying to access (text) files as an example playing movies isn't a drama >>> attempt to access beyond end of device
[08:47] <Alchera> files have a zero byte size when copied to hdd
[09:05] <youknowwho> hi, i have a problem regarding kde 4 live rc2
[09:05] <youknowwho> how can i log in?
[09:06] <youknowwho> all i got is a console with "busybox" in it?
[09:06] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[09:07] <MilhousePunkRock> How can I install a certain version of the nvidia binary drivers, that is not in the repos?
[09:07] <youknowwho> hi
[09:07] <MilhousePunkRock> In the simplest and cleanest way...
[09:08] <youknowwho> can someone answer me?
[09:08] <MilhousePunkRock> youknowwho: What was the question?
[09:09] <biovore> kde 4 is beta.. and not support
[09:09] <youknowwho> i can't log into the kde4 live cd rc2
[09:09] <biovore> no clue.. I don't mess with kde 4 atm..
[09:09] <youknowwho> all i got is busybox something
[09:09] <biovore> MilhousePunkRock: nvidia driver, not from repos..
[09:09] <youknowwho> oh , i know is beta just trying, that's why i downloaded the livecd
[09:10] <biovore> maybe, graphics adapter not support by that live cd..
[09:10] <MilhousePunkRock> biovore: Do I have more than these two options? Getting the install script directly from the nvidia site or using that nasty envy thingy?
[09:11] <biovore> MilhousePunkRock: I install from nvidia's site..
[09:11] <youknowwho> i don't know much, but try envy
[09:11] <biovore> you need to get the kernel sources and build-essential.. then run the installer...
[09:11] <biovore> also you will need to kill X before running the nvidia installer
[09:11] <youknowwho> with envy i would be a hell of a lot better than installing it from the nvidia site
[09:12] <youknowwho> i've done it, envy's flawless on my system
[09:12] <biovore> envy.. is that alberto's script?
[09:12] <MilhousePunkRock> It does not look like envy lets me choose a particular version though...
[09:12] <biovore> !envy
[09:12] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[09:13] <youknowwho> yes albertoo's script
[09:13] <biovore> well I install using nvidia's install guide lines.. work great here..
[09:13] <MilhousePunkRock> biovore: I've read that factoid, it scares me...
[09:13] <youknowwho> of course, but if you need the latest nvidia driver you could use it at your own risk
[09:14] <Alchera> envy works every time
[09:14] <youknowwho> installing the nvidia driver in envy would automatically install the latest version
[09:14] <biovore> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368 <-- basicly the same thing as envy does..
[09:14] <biovore> I havn't used envy here.. so I can't tell you if it works or not..
[09:15] <biovore> or what is does
[09:15] <ardchoille> I installed nvidia drivers with "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" and it worked great on 11 machines.
[09:15] <biovore> yup same here..
[09:15] <youknowwho> i've done it the nvidia way, it was fun, but a little complicated
[09:15] <Alchera> http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[09:15] <biovore> I don't know if I would call 5 cli commands complicated...
[09:16] <youknowwho> i installed using the restricted driver manager, but i needed the latest version
[09:16] <youknowwho> so that i could play wow the burning crusade, envy worked
[09:17] <youknowwho> i know but for a begginer is difficult, not like envy or the restricted drivers manager
[09:17] <MilhousePunkRock> Well, I have the latest version from the repos right now, but it has a bug which gives me a pink screen in MythTV every now and then, 100.14.11 is supposed to not have it
[09:17] <youknowwho> remember that he asked for the simplest way
[09:18] <MilhousePunkRock> youknowwho: I have compiled stuff myself and have nearly two years of linux experience. But I prefer not to mess up the package management, or at least only as little as I have to...
[09:18] <youknowwho> i took my chances because i have mandriva 2008 on another partition
[09:19] <youknowwho> tho, in the begining i've installed the nvidia driver, back in 6.10
[09:19] <youknowwho> with the nvidia instructions
[09:20] <youknowwho> it's risky but not so much as automatic, it worked flawlessly on my michine
[09:21] <se7en> where does the system log that you connected to the internet
[09:22] <youknowwho> downloading another live cd of kde4 to try it, thank anyway
[09:22] <benjamin> hi, does flash work on x86-64 maschines?
[09:23] <youknowwho> sorry for my english, i'm from argentina
[09:23] <benjamin> I did try to install the adobe flash plugin but there was an error message
[09:23] <MilhousePunkRock> benjamin: Read the channel topic
[09:23] <MilhousePunkRock> !flash | benjamin
[09:23] <ubotu> benjamin: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:23] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[09:23] <se7en> i would need to know when my box looses the internet connection and when its coming back online so i would need to know where this events are loged
[09:24] <benjamin> ah thanks
[09:26] <youknowwho> ok, bye everyone
[09:26] <sd132> is kleansweep safe to use?
[09:27] <ardchoille> !kleansweep
[09:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kleansweep - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <ardchoille> sd132: Well, the bot doesn't post any warnings
[09:27] <sd132> ardchoille: ok thanks
[09:27] <ardchoille> !webmin
[09:27] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system
[09:28] <ardchoille> sd132: An example of a warning ^^
[09:29] <ardchoille> sd132: That's not to say kleansweep is absolutely safe, there's no substitute for being careful.
[09:29] <sd132> ardchoille: true
[09:29] <fdoving> just after reading http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=28631 i'd say it looks OK, i would be a little scared if i started using the 'orphaned files' option.. i belive i would stay away from that actually.
[09:29] <sd132> just wondering if anyone has had problems  with itt
[09:30] <ardchoille> sd132: I'm here quite a bit and have not heard anything bad about it
[09:30] <sd132> ardchoille: ok  thanks again
[09:31] <ardchoille> fdoving: Thanks for that link
[09:32] <sd132> fdoving: thanks
[09:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Ha, using the script from nvidia took about 2 minutes
[09:39] <uwo> hi all - how do i reset kde4 settings (make all custom settings back to default)?
[09:40] <se7en> why do i get ppermission denied on a watch /var/log/syslog command?
[09:42] <ardchoille> se7en: Because of the permissions of that file, your user doesn't have permissions on that file unless you use sudo.
[09:42] <se7en> no sudo watch /var/log/syslog same error
[09:43] <ardchoille> Ah
[09:43] <ardchoille> se7en: I get the same error
[09:44] <ardchoille> Weird
[09:44] <se7en> watch is the right command ????
[09:45] <ardchoille> se7en: You could use: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog
[09:45] <ardchoille> In fact, that's what I would use
[09:45] <se7en> yes i did ardchoille it's just weird that watch doesnt work
[09:45] <ardchoille> Yeah
[09:46] <llutz> se7en: watch needs a command to execute, so use: "watch tail /var/log/messages"  or besser ardchoiles advice
[09:46] <llutz> better
[09:46] <ardchoille> llutz: Ah, thanks for that
[09:46] <se7en> ahhhhh thanks llutz
[09:46] <ardchoille> That amkes sense
[09:47] <se7en> are you german?
[09:47] <llutz> i am
[09:47] <se7en> :)
[09:47] <ardchoille> se7en picked up on the "besser"
[09:47] <llutz> a tired one, so excuse for typo
[09:48] <se7en> kein problem :)
[09:51] <jumpkic1> !pulseaudio
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pulseaudio - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <jumpkic1> is there a howto for installing pulse audio on kubuntu/gutsy?
[09:55] <Alchera> k.. my problem is a bugged kernel :P
[09:58] <jussi01> hei all. im having an issue with my bcm 4312. i have followed the ndiswrapper instructions but no card is shown in network settings or ifconfig.
[10:01] <Jack3> im getting an error when burning the dvd iso i downloaded, is there a way to verify it in windows?
[10:03] <posingaspopular> Jack3: the md5 susms
[10:03] <posingaspopular> check here http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/gutsy/
[10:04] <Jack3> thanks
[10:04] <posingaspopular> no problem, good luck
[10:13] <neville> Is it possible to start a seperate X session, without KDE running?
[10:13] <neville> And, if so, is it possible to tack on commands to the end of that?
[10:14] <senorpedro> hola the woodfairy
[10:14] <senorpedro> !kde-4
[10:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:14] <senorpedro> !kde4
[10:14] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[10:26] <JayC> Can someone help me, my 320GB Hard drive is only showing up as 128GB in Gparted/qtparted it is unfromatted btw
[10:40] <gyebro> finger kats
[10:43] <neville> how can I start a seperate X session, without KDE running, and have a command like, say, wine /path/to/program/progname.exe tacked onto the end?
[10:45] <dyson> Greets gents. any definative guide for setting up a Logitech mouse (to get buttons 4 & 5 working) .
[10:45] <gyebro> Host/Kernel/OS "gyebro-desktop" running Linux 2.6.23.12-grsec i686 [ Unknown distro o_O ]
[10:45] <gyebro> CPU Info       (1) AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4200+ 512 KB cache flags( sse3 nx lm svm ) clocked at [ 1000.000 MHz ]
[10:45] <gyebro>                (2) AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4200+ 512 KB cache flags( sse3 nx lm svm ) clocked at [ 1000.000 MHz ]
[10:45] <gyebro> Videocard      nVidia G70 [GeForce 7600 GT]  X.Org 1.3.0  [ 1024x768@85.0hz ]
[10:45] <gyebro> Network cards  nVidia MCP61 Ethernet, at port: d480
[10:45] <gyebro> Processes 37 | Uptime 3:17 | Memory 461.2/2027.0MB | HDD ATA SAMSUNG HD501LJ,ATA Maxtor 6Y120P0 Size 623GB (5%used) | GLX Renderer GeForce 7600 GT/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW! | GLX Version 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.07 | Client Konversation 1.0.1 | Infobash v3.01
[10:46] <se7en__> !flood
[10:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:48] <gyebro> ok, thanx
[10:54] <lumprich> hi, is this a german channel?
[10:55] <jpatrick> nein
[10:55] <jpatrick> !de | lumprich
[10:55] <ubotu> lumprich: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:56] <lumprich> ubotu: vielen Dank
[10:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vielen dank - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:56] <naught101> hehe
[11:08] <mauri> someone know how to see the floppy icon in the dolphin menager
[11:14] <se7en__> mauri: i guess system settings > bookmarks > add new bookmark > and than browse to floppy i cant test because i have none
[11:16] <jumpkic1> so pulseaudio is NOT enabled on kubuntu hardy A2 eh?
[11:16] <jumpkic1> despite what the press release for Ubuntu says
[11:18] <jpatrick> jumpkic1: just because it's in ubuntu doesn't mean it's in kubuntu
[11:18] <jpatrick> jumpkic1: ubuntu press release says new gnome, I don't see that in kubuntu anywhere
[11:21] <jumpkic1> jpatrick: you don't think its perhaps a bit misleading that the second download link is for Kubuntu? ( http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha2#head-1b141d134159de0880483e58246a17d4834cfd10 )
[11:21] <jpatrick> jumpkic1: read: "Some non-GNOME applications still need to be changed to output to pulse/esd by default and the volume control tools are still not integrated"
[11:24] <jumpkic1> so kubuntu is not in scope, got it
[11:25] <jumpkic1> I read that paragraph you quoted as meaning, most stuff works...
[11:25] <jumpkic1> there are some things that don't
[11:26] <jpatrick> jumpkic1: or kubuntu changes still need to be made, I dunno
[11:27] <jumpkic1> jpatrick: neither do I...
[11:32] <marc0s> hi
[11:33] <jpatrick> !hi | marc0s
[11:33] <ubotu> marc0s: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:33] <marc0s> :)
[11:34] <marc0s> i'm playing with the kde4 packages available for kubuntu gutsy and i'm having problems with kopete and the qca tls lib... but i have it installed ... do i need something more? or a not-deb-packaged version maybe?
[11:36] <marc0s> exactly i have installed libqca2-2.0.0.3 libqca2-dev-2.0.0.3 (from ppa) and qca-tls-1.0.3build1
[11:42] <nuxil> hi all
[11:42] <nuxil> what do i need to do to get mp3 support ?
[11:42] <nuxil> sudo apt-get install -f kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[11:44] <nuxil> !mp3
[11:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:45] <nuxil> hmm
[11:46] <nuxil> ARR.. adept sucks.
[11:46] <jpatrick> nuxil: so.. fix i
[11:46] <jpatrick> it*
[11:47] <JayC> can someone assist me? My 320GB external USB drive is only showing up as 128gb in windows AND linux
[11:47] <nuxil> with adept.. instrall onething.. break anothre thing
[11:47] <nuxil> erm
[11:47] <etfb> JayC: How's it formatted?  FAT32, EXT3, NTFS, ...?
[11:47] <jpatrick> JayC: hmm, what does your BIOS show it as?
[11:47] <nuxil> jpatrick, im trying to install mp3 support.
[11:47] <nuxil> is  kubuntu-restricted-extras the right pak?
[11:48] <jpatrick> nuxil: libxine1-ffmpeg should do that and the kubuntu-r-e too
[11:48] <JayC> etfb: its not
[11:48] <disturboresiduo> when i restart kubuntu all applicationts that aren't close are started automaticaly at new login. why
[11:48] <disturboresiduo> ?
[11:48] <jpatrick> disturboresiduo: KDE does that
[11:48] <jpatrick> disturboresiduo: you have to close them before logging out
[11:48] <etfb> JayC: ie it's a new disk?  In that case, formatting it for FAT32 is the way to go.  Let me see if I can find out how I did it.
[11:48] <JayC> jpatrick, etfb, to also clarify it has nothing to do with bios new comp..everuything like that
[11:49] <nuxil> but with  kubuntu-restricted-extras i tryed to dl some sun jave crap and broke adept.- well i ger error now and adept wount startup.. dpkg --configure -a didnt help
[11:49] <JayC> etfb: its not formatted...absoloutely non-allocated
[11:49] <disturboresiduo> thanks
[11:50] <jpatrick> nuxil: tried just installing libxine2-ffmpeg?
[11:51] <JayC> etfb: is there any command to "Fuck this disk" and wipe it fresh new no tables nothin?
[11:51] <nuxil> jpatrick, jes. i try.. but adept wount let me cos kubuntu-r-e broke something.. and now nothing will install in adept.
[11:51] <jpatrick> !pastebin | nuxil
[11:51] <ubotu> nuxil: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:52] <jpatrick> nuxil: please put the console error there
[11:52] <nuxil> ok
[11:52] <etfb> JayC: Try formatting it using mkfs.vfat and see if it will let you format all 320GB of it.  If it will, it was just a weirdness in the way it shows up to the bios.  IF it won't, it's broken and needs repair.
[11:52] <jpatrick> JayC: install qtparted and format?
[11:53] <JayC> etfb what do you mean try formatting it with mkfs.vfat
[11:53] <etfb> jpatrick, JayC: yep, that'll work too.  I prefer to do things on the command line, but you're not losing any data so it doesn't matter either way really.
[11:53] <jpatrick> JayC: make sure you format the right thing!
[11:54] <etfb> JayC: What's your level of unix/linux expertise?  I don't want to talk triple-dutch if you're still working out how to spell "ls", but I don't want to be verbose if you're secretly Linus...
[11:54] <nuxil> jpatrick,  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49578/ its in norwegian tho
[11:54] <JayC> etfb i would consider myself a power user
[11:54] <jpatrick> nuxil: tried apt-get install -f
[11:54] <nuxil> yes
[11:54] <nuxil> didnt help
[11:55] <nuxil> same error
[11:55] <nuxil> i even trued dpkg --configure -a
[11:55] <jpatrick> nuxil: apt-get install sun-java6-bin?
[11:55] <JayC> etfb: im honestly stumped by this one....it worked in windows...asked me to set partition table in windows i used the defaults and now its fucked
[11:55] <nuxil> let me try
[11:55] <jpatrick> !language | JayC
[11:55] <etfb> JayC: OK, makes it easy.  The Linux commands for formatting disks are all mkfs.SOMETHING, where SOMETHING is the file system you want.
[11:55] <ubotu> JayC: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[11:56] <etfb> JayC: (I recommend using the word "ruddocked" instead of the anglo-saxon verb.  It means the same thing.)
[11:56] <JayC> etfb: arg give me a break...
[11:56] <etfb> JayC: So mkfs.vfat will format it in vfat, which Windows/DOS calls FAT32.  LEt me check the syntax...
[11:56] <nuxil> jpatrick, yes it looks like that pak is installing
[11:56] <jpatrick> nuxil: yay
[11:56] <nuxil> :)
[11:57] <JayC> etfb: explained this a good 10x ive alredy formatted it fat...it just doesnt show up with 300gb
[11:57] <nuxil> jpatrick, it looks ok now. kubuntu -r -e looks like its installing now. ;)
[11:58] <jpatrick> nuxil: smashing. glad that's fixed
[11:58] <etfb> Sorry - I only showed up at 22:45 my time, 12 minutes ago.  If you've been talking about this before, I missed it.
[11:58] <nuxil> jpatrick, thanks for tha help :D
[11:58] <jpatrick> nuxil: you're welcome
[11:58] <etfb> Take me through what you did.  Start with taking the HD out of its plastic bag, spilling polystyrene all over the floor, and plugging it in...
[11:59] <JayC> etfb: i dont want to sound like a record...but ill try to explain this best i can, I dont care about what its formatted ive tried formatting it evry which way tried to format it....tried everything i can i dont care how its formatted i dont care about what OS im using this is a noobish way of putting it but i just want to see 300gb there instead of 128gb
[12:01] <etfb> OK - what hardware do you have to hand?  One machine dual-booting Kubuntu and Windows, or two machines running one OS each, or what?  Paint me a picture, here.
[12:03] <JayC> etfb: I have a desktop with windows i have a laptop dualbooting vista(EVIL)\Kubuntu 7.10 - Hard drive is 3.5" in external enclosure
[12:04]  * etfb keeps pressing the wrong keys, but is back now
[12:04] <JayC> etfb: I have a desktop with windows i have a laptop dualbooting vista(EVIL)\Kubuntu 7.10 - Hard drive is 3.5" in external enclosure
[12:04] <etfb> JayC: This would be easier in 1:1 chat.  Can you remember the IRC command to open a private chat?
[12:05] <JayC> etfb: this channel does not allow 1:1
[12:05] <Greenery> hwo to check version of wine using konsole?
[12:05] <jpatrick> Greenery: wine -v ?
[12:05] <johey> How can I make my kwallet passwordless, meaning that it will run in background without ever asking me for my password?
[12:05] <Greenery> doesnt work
[12:05] <jpatrick> JayC, etfb: /query, /msg ?
[12:05] <funcrush> my password for root miss matched in KDE 4 (I upgraded from kde 3.5.8 to kde 4)
[12:06] <funcrush> How can I fix this problem?
[12:06] <jpatrick> funcrush: kdesudo is yet to be ported, use kdesudo <app>
[12:06] <funcrush> jpatrick: Thank you:)
[12:06] <JayC> etfb: i got your message but i cannot send msges back
[12:07] <etfb> JayC: Meh.  Can't get it to work here either.  OK, we'll soldier on.
[12:07] <jpatrick> JayC: you need to register
[12:07] <diego> hi
[12:07] <etfb> JayC: Ah, that'd be it.  Type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY yourpreferredpassword
[12:10] <JayC> etfb: it works just fine but i cant message u back and this is irritating
[12:10] <funcrush> Is KDE4 request high graphic card?
[12:10] <etfb> JayC: Never mind then.
[12:10] <etfb> JayC: On your Windoze box, go to Administrative Tools.
[12:10] <funcrush> I use Nvidia Geforce Fx.5500
[12:11] <jpatrick> funcrush: should be fine
[12:11] <etfb> JayC: I'll have to check where, but there's a disk management tool that will give a 100% definitive answer on the actual size and arrangement of your disk partitions.
[12:12] <funcrush> jpatrick: But some effect of window are slow
[12:12] <Ellojello> etfb: this is JayC did you get my message?
[12:12] <etfb> JayC: (I'm just going to VPN into my work PC and remind myself where it is.  You did say WinXP on your desktop machine, didn't you?)
[12:12] <jpatrick> etfb: s/JayC/Ellojello/
[12:12] <jpatrick> funcrush: it's not finished yet
[12:12] <funcrush> jpatrick: ah I see. thank you for answer:)
[12:13] <Ellojello> etfb: This is JayC are you there?
[12:13] <etfb> Ellojello: Yes I did.  That's you then, and not some evil interloper trying to groom me for internet porn or something?  (Can't be too careful, I'm a very attractive 38-year-old boy)
[12:21] <bobdhicks> I have a dual boot laptop. I boot from a 250gb usb drive where grub and kubuntu reside. Is it possible to access the c drive on the laptop which has Windows Vista from within Kubuntu?
[12:27] <posingaspopular> bobdhicks: it should be doable
[12:27] <posingaspopular> i don't personally know how to do it though, sorry ;/
[12:29] <bobdhicks> posingaspopular: Thank you for letting me know it possible. I know where to go to be taught how to do it I just didn't want to appear too stupid there. I'm prone to ask a lot of silly questions on my learning curve
[12:31] <posingaspopular> silly questions are encouraged. you'll find that most linux people want to share their knowledge if people are willing to learn. my suggestion is to just ask in here again a bit later.
[12:31] <posingaspopular> good luck though
[12:32] <sigma_> how many people +- are actually involved in developing kubuntu?
[12:33] <jpatrick> sigma_: depends, kubuntu team, or the whole ubuntu thing?
[12:33] <sigma_> jpatrick: well how many for each?
[12:34] <jpatrick> sigma_: well, in the end we're both the same
[12:35] <sigma_> thats true i guess, so how many on average is it?
[12:35] <jpatrick> sigma_: ~50 kubuntu devs
[12:36] <ardchoille> jpatrick: Are they paid? They shold be :)
[12:36] <ardchoille> *should
[12:36] <jpatrick> ardchoille: hehe
[12:37] <sigma_> i know u told me Riddell is paid
[12:37] <posingaspopular> from my understanding, Canonical is moving towards paying more Kubuntu devs, but we'll see how that goes
[12:37] <jpatrick> sigma_: you're free to join if you want
[12:37] <posingaspopular> imho, they are a bit too tight with their wallets on the whole Kubuntu work
[12:38] <sigma_> jpatrick: not the programming type im afraid, closest i get to that is web design, im better in implementations
[12:39] <jpatrick> sigma_: there are several ways to help
[12:39] <sigma_> canonical could break even if they really wanted to, they don't really have to make a profit
[12:40] <sigma_> jpatrick: whats on offer? i've been looking for ways to help (since my business does rely on kubuntu and kde), ive applied to be the kde press officer for south africa, but what other ways besides programming can i help kubuntu?
[12:41] <jpatrick> sigma_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu
[12:43] <sigma_> documentation looks like the only thing, would do testing but dont have the bandwidth
[12:47] <jpatrick> sigma_: sure packaging doesn't tickle your fancy? :)
[12:47] <romunov> where in kubuntu can i install a printer?
[12:48] <jpatrick> romunov: system settings -> Printer
[12:48] <romunov> no, i don't have that
[12:48] <romunov> that's why i ask
[12:48] <jpatrick> I have it
[12:49] <sigma_> jpatrick: do you need a good internet connection for that?
[12:49] <romunov> any ideas what package in need to install?
[12:49] <jpatrick> romunov: nop, I got it by default
[12:49] <jpatrick> sigma_: kinda
[12:49] <jpatrick> so does doc..
[12:50] <romunov> seems a bit odd that printer is not incorporated (by default) here
[12:50] <llutz> romunov: try kde-print, cups
[12:52] <judgement> help please: kdm or gdm for kubuntu? i already installed ubuntu gnome and want to try something new,,,
[12:52] <jpatrick> judgement: kdm
[12:53] <judgement> ty! :)
[12:53] <sigma_> jpatrick: why does doc need alot?
[12:54] <jpatrick> sigma_: no, not as much, but downloading it, sending patches
[12:55] <romunov> llutz: thanks, installing kdeprint worked
[12:55] <sigma_> i see
[12:58] <TimS> How can I find out my DVD drive speed?
[13:15] <Abbas> can someone please tell me, how to alert users in Jabber chat rooms like this:
[13:15] <Abbas> username:message
[13:37] <khelll> how shall i know if the bluetooth is working or no??/
[13:40] <llutz> khelll: sudo hcitool scan
[13:40] <khelll> Device is not available: No such device
[13:41] <llutz> hcitool dev
[13:42] <khelll> llutz it gave me empty list
[13:42] <khelll> it means my bluetooth is not working
[13:42] <llutz> khelll: lsmod |grep blue
[13:43] <khelll> bluetooth              57060  4 rfcomm,l2cap
[13:43] <khelll> what does it suppose to mean?
[13:43] <llutz> khelll: "dmesg|grep -i blue"   plz paste at pastbin, not here
[13:44] <llutz> !pastebin | lh
[13:44] <ubotu> lh: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[13:44] <llutz> khelll: ^^
[13:45] <khelll> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49584/
[13:47] <khelll> llutz http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49584/
[13:47] <llutz> khelll: bt seems to be loaded... sry no idea what's wrong then
[13:50] <Tuiq> I've got a question, I'm using a Logitech diNovo system (keyboard and mouse, (+mediapad)) and I need to take off the stick and put it in again. Else, the keyboard and mouse wouldn't work. In BIOS and GRUB (and xp), it works fine, but kubuntu live-cd and this installed seems to have got problems with it. Any soulutions?
[13:54] <denis__> !paste
[13:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[13:55] <denis__> hi
[13:57] <denis__> !bugs
[13:57] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[14:07] <Tuiq> returned. Can anybody help me now with my problem, the bluetooth-thing, or is it impossible?
[14:12] <alex_> Can anyone tell me, how i could change my bootmenu, that windows starts, if i change nothing?
[14:13] <Jeroi> alex
[14:13] <Jeroi> edit grub
[14:13] <alex_> how?
[14:13] <CheGuevara> ./boot/grub/menu.lst
[14:14] <CheGuevara> change "default         0"
[14:14] <llutz> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst   set "default" to the win-entry, starts counting with "0"
[14:14] <CheGuevara> to whichever number windows is
[14:14] <CheGuevara> yeah :P
[14:14] <llutz> so +1 for every "title" tag
[14:15] <carnage__> hy all
[14:15] <CheGuevara> hi
[14:16] <alex_> ok, thank you...
[14:16] <Tuiq> does the "Other operating system:"-entry count, too?
[14:16] <llutz> iirc only "title"
[14:16] <Tuiq> title		Other operating systems: <= :D
[14:16] <llutz> then yes
[14:16] <llutz> sry, don#t have that :)
[14:18] <Tuiq> is anyone here who use a logitech desktop system?
[14:18] <Jeroi> How do I make windows automatically the highlighted operationsystem on grub start when booting up?
[14:18] <llutz> Jeroi: see above
[14:18] <Jeroi> default?
[14:18] <Jeroi> only default?
[14:19] <Jeroi> nothing more?
[14:19] <Jeroi> # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
[14:19] <llutz> write a letter to your mother/gf/somewho if you want to do more
[14:19] <Jeroi> # on /dev/hda1
[14:19] <Jeroi> title		Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[14:19] <Jeroi> root		(hd0,0)
[14:19] <Jeroi> savedefault
[14:19] <Jeroi> chainloader	+1
[14:19] <Jeroi> after chainloader I write default?
[14:19] <llutz> Jeroi: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst   set/change "default" to the win-entry, starts counting with "0"
[14:20] <Jeroi> so?
[14:20] <Jeroi> Default "0"
[14:20] <Jeroi> loke that?
[14:20] <Tuiq> Default with the ""?
[14:20] <carnage__> no
[14:20] <llutz> there's a default-entry in the upper part of the file , just change it
[14:21] <llutz> Jeroi: add the number corresponding to the win-title entry
[14:21] <Jeroi> that do not work
[14:21] <Jeroi> linux kernel update breaks the number
[14:21] <carnage__> it's pr0bably 5
[14:21] <Jeroi> as it adds new boot up options before windows
[14:21] <carnage__> or 4
[14:22] <Tuiq> Here it was 4444
[14:22] <Tuiq> -4440
[14:22] <Jeroi> so If I know add 4 to that
[14:22] <Tuiq> Stupid mediapad
[14:22] <Jeroi> then next kernel update adds 2 operating systems more
[14:22] <carnage__> man just put default 5
[14:22] <Jeroi> that number will be then 6
[14:22] <carnage__> no
[14:22] <Jeroi> so I will need everytime change the number manually
[14:22] <carnage__> 0 1 2 are kubuntu entrie
[14:23] <carnage__> 3 is "other operating system"
[14:23] <Jeroi> ?
[14:23] <Jeroi> really?
[14:23] <carnage__> 4 is Xp or Vista (in my conf)
[14:23] <Tuiq> mine too.
[14:23] <carnage__> yeap
[14:24] <Jeroi> thanks
[14:24] <carnage__> works>
[14:24] <carnage__> ?
[14:24] <carnage__> ?
[14:24] <Tuiq> Does anyone know why I always have to take my USB Bluetooth Stick (or dongle) off and then put it in again only that I can use mouse and keyboard in kubuntu?
[14:26] <Tuiq> (just say 'dunno' and I would be happy :I)
[14:26] <carnage__> dunno
[14:26] <llutz> Tuiq: be happy, dunno
[14:27] <carnage__> I want to install Compiz in Kubuntu with XGL but when i install Xgl i get very small fonts? anyone installed Compiz with no problems ? Mind share?
[14:30] <jhutchins_wk> !compiz | carnage__
[14:30] <ubotu> carnage__: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[14:31] <carnage__> thanks alot man
[14:31] <yvan_> hi
[14:31] <Jay-Oh-En> are there any video editing programs for linux like sony vegas?
[14:32] <carnage__> there is Kino
[14:32] <yvan_> how do I use a pen-drive connected to a ltsp client? I plugged it in and nothing happened...
[14:32] <carnage__> Kino for video editing got that?
[14:33] <yvan_> carnage, try the program. Maybe you like it...
[14:33] <Jay-Oh-En> carnage__: ill try that out
[14:33] <ukwiz> I am trying to install kubuntu 7.10 from cd, but it seems to hang at 82%4
[14:33] <Tuiq> .oO(I'm not really happy now, but, okay.. thanks..)
[14:34] <yvan_> ukwiz, in wich step is your installation?
[14:34] <nosrednaekim> ukwiz: is it "scanning mirrors"?
[14:35] <Jay-Oh-En> carnage__: i cant find that in the repositories
[14:35] <ukwiz> 82% in apt-get.
[14:35] <ukwiz> yes, scanning mirrors.
[14:35] <yvan_> are you downloading from the net? Maybe your broadband limit is reached...
[14:36] <carnage__> wait i will give you a link
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> ukwiz: ok, well then let is continue for a while... if it does fail(or keep stalling).... pull out your network cable and restart the install
[14:36] <Jay-Oh-En> ok carnage__
[14:36] <ukwiz> there doesn't seem to be any feedback on what is going on
[14:36] <carnage__> http://linux.about.com/od/ubuntu_doc/a/ubudg34t5.htm
[14:36] <carnage__> there you go
[14:37] <yvan_> is someone here familiar with ltsp under kubuntu?
[14:37] <nosrednaekim> thats thin client, right?
[14:37] <yvan_> yes
[14:37] <Jay-Oh-En> carnage__: ill try that
[14:37] <nosrednaekim> yvan_: over at #edubuntu they are a bit more familiar with that I would think.
[14:38] <yvan_> ok... See you later folks.
[14:39] <carnage__> Jay-OH-En Kino it's in the repository
[14:40] <yvan_> there isn't much tallk on #edubuntu ...
[14:40] <Jay-Oh-En> carnage__: nope its called pivit
[14:40] <Jay-Oh-En> anyways does anybody know any good games for linux
[14:40] <Tuiq> Supertux!
[14:40] <carnage__> tremulous
[14:40] <yvan_> yeah, supertux is FUN
[14:40] <carnage__> a good shooter
[14:41] <carnage__> Nexuiz
[14:41] <carnage__> shooter too
[14:41] <ScottG> Alien Arena
[14:41] <yvan_> dooom exists for linux...
[14:41] <ukwiz> is ubiquity the installation process? top shows it continually at 100%
[14:42] <nosrednaekim> Urban Terror
[14:42] <Tuiq> I mean. I googled for my problem before I joined this channel, but everything I found about "bluetooth kubuntu OR linux diNovo logitech" was a few millions of reports about the great keyboards :[
[14:42] <nosrednaekim> ukwiz: yeah, ubiquity is the installer
[14:43] <ukwiz> nosrednaekim, is there anything that would show what is happening?
[14:44] <okto> ukwiz: it happened to me bofore, i use a dirty hack by killing the apt-get process, it should continue the install
[14:49] <hdevalence> I can't install kubuntu from the alternate cd ecause the installer either goes all funky and is messed up or it hangs at 33% of creating ext3 filesystem  and then says failed to create ext3 file system
[14:50] <nosrednaekim> haha.... lots of people must have gotten computers for christmas... never seen this big of an influx of installer problems :D
[14:50] <nosrednaekim> hdevalence: can you install from the liveCD?
[14:51] <hdevalence> nosrednaekim: I could, I suppose, but I want to set up encryption
[14:51] <noname> nosrednaekim: I think tis is well for Kubuntu, or?
[14:51] <nosrednaekim> hdevalence: I THINK the liveCD installer now supports encryption... but i'mnot sure.
[14:52] <TuxMan> I still cannot get KDE4 working!
[14:52] <nosrednaekim> TuxMan: :(
[14:52] <jpatrick> TuxMan: it is still in beta
[14:52] <nosrednaekim> noname: I should think so :)
[14:52] <hdevalence> nosrednaekim: I feel really stupid because I had a working kubuntu system and then decided to switch to debian and then it didn't work and I realized that I don't want to have to go around fixing alll the problems, so I switched back
[14:52] <TuxMan> jpatrick: I know!
[14:53] <noname> encryption ist afaik only in textbased installation standart.
[14:53] <hdevalence> TuxMan: the people in #kde4-devel might be able to help
[14:53] <TuxMan> OK
[14:54] <nosrednaekim> hdevalence: yeah...
[14:55] <hdevalence> yeah, the way I have it is that I have a 25GB NTFS partition (so I can't do the guided encryption option), then a 255MB /boot ext3 partition, then a 95GB encrypted volume
[14:56] <nosrednaekim> hdevalence: and its failing on the encrypted ext3... hmm. And I suppose you can't "preformat" because its encrypted.?
[14:56] <hdevalence> but you can only do one patition per encrypted volume so in order to have swap I need to set up LVM or have two encryped volumes but if I set up LVM I get the failed to create filesystem error , if I have two encryped volumes the install crashes
[14:57] <TuxMan> AH! #kde4-devel says they can't help me just because its Kubuntu! ****
[14:57] <TuxMan> mimimimimimimimimimimimi'
[14:58] <nosrednaekim> what?
[14:58] <hdevalence> it crashes on the 'configure encrypted volumes' bit
[14:58] <TuxMan> btw, how do i get iceweasel?
[14:58] <TuxMan> !iceweasel
[14:58] <ubotu> Iceweasel's homepage is http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ with more detailed information at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel
[14:58] <TuxMan> ah!
[14:58] <TuxMan> thank you, BOT!
[14:59] <hdevalence> !botsnack
[14:59] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[14:59] <nosrednaekim> TuxMan: maybe because its RC2.... which is a bit old.
[14:59] <TuxMan> so.. RC3 is out? lol kiddin
[14:59] <nosrednaekim> well, they are all busy over there with SVN.
[15:00] <nosrednaekim> RC2 is the stone age to them ;)
[15:00] <TuxMan> Oog Agg
[15:00] <TuxMan> me eat jaguar!
[15:01] <TuxMan> !gnome
[15:01] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[15:01] <TuxMan> curse the GNOMEs =P
[15:02] <hdevalence> i notice that kubuntu has been rather stagnant of late b/c everyone is working on KDE4
[15:02] <TuxMan> I started with reg Gutsy Ubuntu, but when I converted it to Kubuntu I had to purge like 1,000 packages
[15:03] <hdevalence> !purekde
[15:03] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[15:03] <TuxMan> hm
[15:04] <Tuiq> oh. I may know why my keyboard won't work. I think the dongle is broken, but why can windows it use then without stick out-stick in?
[15:05] <hdevalence> also, if I have 2GB of RAM, do I need swap space?
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> hdevalence: yes
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> you should ALWAYS put in swap.
[15:06] <nosrednaekim> its handy for other things (like suspend to disk)
[15:06] <Pici> (when that works)
[15:06] <nosrednaekim> :D
[15:07] <hdevalence> nosrednaekim: that's what I thought, it's just that the installer seems to not like multiple encrypted volumes
[15:07] <nosrednaekim> hdevalence: hrm.... why do you have to encrypt it? you can encrypt individual files.
[15:07] <TuxMan> heehee makin pure KDE
[15:08] <TuxMan> pureKDE is awesome
[15:08] <hdevalence> nosrednaekim: it's easier to encrypt everything
[15:08] <nosrednaekim> is it ? ;)
[15:09] <hdevalence> nosrednaekim: also, if my laptop is stolen, they can't read any data from it
[15:09] <TimS> How come I cant change the icon for my K750i phone? It shows what looks like an Ipod which isnt on the setting anywhere
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> hdevalence: ah..yeah, true.
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> maybe your CD is bad (if it worked for you before)
[15:10] <pawan_> hi
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> hey pawan_
[15:10] <khaije1> is there such a thing as raid 3, or did i conveniently imagine that?
[15:10] <pawan_> whats up
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> there probably is...
[15:11] <nosrednaekim> !topic
[15:11] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[15:12] <nosrednaekim> pawan_: did you have a problem?
[15:12] <pawan_> no
[15:12] <pawan_> why
[15:13] <nosrednaekim> most people who come here have problems :D
[15:13] <hdevalence> nosrednaekim: also if more people encrypted their data we wouldn't have so many stories about 5 million people's account data leaked.. etc.
[15:13] <pawan_> how to update konversation
[15:14] <nosrednaekim> true true...
[15:14] <hdevalence> any ideas on why the installer would not be able to create a filesystem?
[15:14] <sigma_> why do gtk apps have to be so slow in kubuntu>
[15:14] <sigma_> ?
[15:14] <nosrednaekim> pawan_: there is probably not a new version of konversation out.
[15:14] <TuxMan> Oompa loompa doompa dee doo
[15:14] <hdevalence> it also gives me: i/o error during read on /dev/sda
[15:14] <pawan_> but the site say there is one
[15:14] <nosrednaekim> sigma_: because.... gtk apps are ALWAYS slow ;)
[15:14] <nosrednaekim> pawan_: konversation site?
[15:14] <pawan_> yes
[15:14]  * hdevalence detects fanboyism
[15:15]  * nosrednaekim slaps it in hdevalence's face
[15:15] <pawan_> http://konversation.kde.org/
[15:15] <sigma_> nosrednaekim: is it like that in gnome as well?
[15:15] <nosrednaekim> pawan_: its probably not in the repositories.
[15:15] <sigma_> is there any decent kde substitute for gimp (feature wise)?
[15:15] <nosrednaekim> sigma_: i'm really just kidding (kinda) I don't like gtk apps as a rule (synaptic is an exception)
[15:16] <nosrednaekim> sigma_: krita might do what you want.
[15:16] <Jucato> pawan_: there is no new version out yet
[15:16] <Jucato> the latest *released* version is still 1.0.1
[15:16] <pawan_> i am using 1.0.1
[15:16] <sigma_> its lagging a bit too much for my liking. at least my firefox ported browser doesnt lag that much
[15:16]  * nosrednaekim tries to remember what "merry Christmas" was in Filipino
[15:17] <pawan_> but there is 1.1 release
[15:17] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: Maligayang Pasko :)
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> with a capital K XD
[15:17] <Jucato> pawan_: where?
[15:17] <stamen> hi
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> hey stamen
[15:17] <stamen> how to fix this http://pastebin.com/d6e78f62f
[15:18] <stamen> and marry christmass to all
[15:18] <stamen> why the pipe is broken
[15:18] <Jucato> pawan_: reread it "what we're currently working on is a last release for KDE 3.5, Konversation 1.1".. "working on" means "not yet released", "in progress", etc.
[15:18] <white_eagle> |
[15:18] <pawan_> ya
[15:18] <jpatrick> stamen: did you remove the older kde4 packages?
[15:19] <pawan_> ur right sorry
[15:19] <nosrednaekim> stamen: uninstall ALL  previous kde4 packages.
[15:19] <stamen> I think I have removed them
[15:19] <stamen> how to check
[15:19] <nosrednaekim> stamen: "kde4multimedia-data" apparently hasn't.
[15:19] <stamen> so I have to remove it?
[15:19] <nosrednaekim> stamen: just search for "3.96" for version
[15:20] <nosrednaekim> and remove all packages that have that version #
[15:20] <nosrednaekim> yes
[15:20] <stamen> as I understand, I have to remove my older KDE or?
[15:20] <nosrednaekim> no, you do not need to remove kde3
[15:20] <Jeroi> My biggest wantings fro dolphin: image resizer
[15:20] <Jucato> stamen: no. only older *kde4*
[15:20] <stamen> ok
[15:21] <Jucato> Jeroi: which one do you mean?
[15:21] <Jeroi> my biggest wanting for konversation: middlebutton suport fot hotkey
[15:21] <stamen> so I have to remove kde4multimedia-data
[15:21] <Jeroi> mouse suport for hotkeys
[15:21] <jpatrick> stamen: or do: sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a3.97.0-1ubuntu5~gutsy1~ppa3_all.deb
[15:22] <Jeroi> Jucato: slecet images, right click->modify->resize image(s)
[15:22] <Jeroi> then type resolution value and dolphin resizes images automatically
[15:22] <stamen> jpatrick: it worked with forcing
[15:22] <stamen> thank you
[15:22] <Jeroi> I often take images with digicam
[15:22] <Jeroi> Then I dl the pictures into folder
[15:23] <jpatrick> stamen: do sudo apt-get autoclean later
[15:23] <Jeroi> And would want to lower their resolution into 1024*768
[15:23] <stamen> ок
[15:23] <Jucato> that works in Konqueror?
[15:23] <Jeroi> sorry again for puncutation
[15:23] <Jeroi> no
[15:23] <Jeroi> that neither
[15:23]  * Jucato shrugs
[15:32] <Jeroi> for gnome there is nautililus image resizer plugin context menu
[15:32] <Jeroi> but for dolphin there is not any
[15:32] <Jeroi> or for kde
[15:33] <hdevalence> Jeroi: I think digikam does that
[15:34] <Jeroi> plugin for dolphin?
[15:34] <Jeroi> I dont want to use any softawre
[15:34] <Jeroi> I want context menu to dolphin, that there is image resize
[15:35] <Jeroi> but I cant get all what I want tho, it seems
[15:35] <sigma_> i just installed firefox (from a deb package), when i click run command and type in firefox it says "KDEInit Could Not Launch /home/sigma/.firefox/firefox/"
[15:35] <sigma_> but firefox isnt even installed there
[15:35] <sigma_> how do i tell it to stop looking there?
[15:35] <Jeroi> did you try opening firefox from kde?
[15:36] <Jeroi> k-menu?
[15:36] <khelll>  is there a way that i can connect my cell phone to my laptop?
[15:37] <sigma_> Jeroi: its not on the K-Menu
[15:37] <Jucato> Jeroi: search through Konqueror Service Menus in www.kde-apps.org
[15:37] <Jucato> sigma_: how did you install Firefox?
[15:37] <sigma_> even so the K-Menu would link to the same command
[15:38] <sigma_> Jucato: downloaded the deb from packages.ubuntu.com
[15:38] <Jucato> Jeroi: some Konqueror servicemenus could work in Dolphin
[15:38] <Jucato> (but not all)
[15:38] <Jucato> sigma_: hm...
[15:39] <Jucato> sigma_: when you run firefox from Konsole (command line) does it give that same error?
[15:39] <Jeroi> ?
[15:40] <sigma_> Jucato: ok amazingly that opened up firefox
[15:40] <jhutchins_wk> khelll: What kind of connection do you want?  It may mount as a USB storage device; if you want to sync contacts I think you manage that from kdepim.
[15:40] <Jucato> strange..
[15:40] <waltercool_eee> hi there, someone know a good app for record webcam video?
[15:46] <Tuiq> if I post my dmesg, can that help you to help me with my bluetooth-problem..?
[15:48] <Jeroi> how I install *.sh files?
[15:49] <trappist> Jeroi: you run them.  try sudo sh filename.sh
[15:50] <Jeroi> root@Jeroi:~/mount-iso-0.9.1# sh install.sh
[15:50] <Jeroi> install.sh: 146: function: not found
[15:50] <Jeroi> Couldn't find !
[15:50] <Jeroi> Type the full path here or press "Ctrl+C" to abort:
[15:50] <Pici> Jeroi: use bash, not sh.
[15:52] <Pici> Jeroi: so bash install.sh
[15:52] <Jucato> bash: so: command not found
[15:53]  * Jucato runs away :P
[15:53]  * Pici chases Jucato 
[15:53] <Jucato> noooo!
[15:59] <Jeroi> have to make cdemu
[15:59] <Jeroi> in order to get image mounter to kde
[16:00] <Jeroi> because binary packagers are i386 only
[16:02] <Jeroi> How do I make deb packages?
[16:03] <Jeroi> If I want to make working builds for amd64 when project dont have binary for amd64?
[16:04] <llutz> Jeroi: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[16:06] <TuxMan> !deb
[16:06] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click (in Ubuntu) or click (in Kubuntu) on them to start the GDebi utility.
[16:06] <Jeroi> thanks
[16:06] <Jeroi> hmm
[16:06] <Jeroi> what happens if I install gnome-common?
[16:06] <Jeroi> does it install gnome then?
[16:07] <TuxMan> it tries to install the whole gnome.
[16:07] <Jeroi> this program autogen.sh wants to have gnome-common installed
[16:07] <dhq> is there anyone here with a DELL XPS
[16:07] <dhq> could anyone suggest me a best laptop to run linux
[16:08] <bazhang> thinkpad
[16:08] <Che> one that has most intel components :P
[16:08] <Che> *mostly
[16:08] <dhq> bazhang well DELL HP tOSHIBA SONY VIAO
[16:09] <bazhang> dhq: what Che says
[16:09] <Jeroi> hey
[16:09] <Jeroi> I need some gnome user to compile this thingy
[16:10] <llutz> dhq: skip vaio :(
[16:10] <Jeroi> is there way to repackage x386 package into x364?
[16:10] <Che> huh
[16:10] <jpatrick> Jeroi: aren't they the same? (-ish)
[16:10] <Che> whats x364 :P
[16:10] <Jeroi> a64
[16:10] <Jeroi> x64
[16:10] <Jeroi> x86
[16:10] <Jeroi> amd64
[16:11] <Jeroi> intel32
[16:11] <Che> Jeroi: you need the src deb
[16:11] <Jeroi> I have dl'ed svn
[16:11] <Jeroi> but it's autogen.sh needs gnome-common
[16:11] <Pici> What program?
[16:11] <Jeroi> cdemu
[16:12] <waltercool_eee> exist a good method for record video and audio of a webcam??
[16:12] <Jeroi> cdemulator
[16:12] <Jeroi> I guess
[16:12] <Jeroi> you can mount iso, cue, nrg files with easy rightklick contextmenu
[16:12] <Jeroi> same like daemon tools in windows
[16:13] <BluesKaj> Jeroi, you can run some 3 bit apps on amd 64 , which I have as well, by installing ia32-libs pkgs in adept or synaptic
[16:13] <BluesKaj> err 32 bit apps that is
[16:14] <Jeroi> I have that
[16:14] <BluesKaj> Jeroi, there ia32bit apps for java and kde
[16:14] <Jeroi> package installer says not correct architehcture
[16:15] <Jeroi> but it is kinda stupid, that kde context menu plugin, needs gnome components for svn version building
[16:17] <hdevalence_> I can't seem to launch any applications
[16:17] <hdevalence_> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[16:17] <hdevalence_> Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
[16:17] <hdevalence_> konqueror: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[16:17] <llutz> hdevalence_: stop trying it to start as root
[16:19] <Che> or at least use kdesu :P
[16:20] <_hdevalence> and irssi keeps freezing
[16:21] <Joti> hello all :)
[16:21] <Joti> i've got some small question - did anyone try to update gutsy with the most current drivers from nvidia.com for geforce cards?
[16:22] <mot_> how do you install login screen themes?
[16:24] <spawn57> you have the theme manager installed?
[16:26] <mot_> spawn57,  i dunno
[16:26] <mot_> i changed my splash screen already
[16:26] <mot_> but not the login screen
[16:26] <mot_> what theme manager?
[16:26] <spawn57> use adept to install kdmtheme
[16:27] <mot_> then where does it appear in kcontrol?
[16:27] <spawn57> appearance I think
[16:27] <mot_> thanks
[16:27] <spawn57> oops nope, system administrator
[16:27] <spawn57> administration
[16:30] <BluesKaj> mot, system settings/login manager
[16:37] <Jeroi> configure.ac:56: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_SDL
[16:37] <Jeroi> what lib I miss?
[16:39] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. theres a dozen SDL-Dev type libs.  You are compiling from source?
[16:40] <Dr_willis> normally ./configure gives a differetn message when you are missing a lib.
[16:41] <TimS> Jucato: Do you have any idea why my phone (k750i) shows an Ipod as its icon and it wont change no matter what it is set to.
[16:41] <Dr_willis> I have wonderd how kde decides what icons to use for removeable media like that.
[16:41] <Jucato> TimS: ipod icon = no idea. charging = no idea either, but it doesn't matter much what icon is used. what's more important is how the system sees it
[16:42] <Dr_willis> it gets my SD card right, and the Other media cards. :)
[16:42] <Dr_willis> which suprised me.
[16:42] <Jucato> mimetypes?
[16:42]  * Jucato shrugs...
[16:42] <TimS> it gets my memory stick right
[16:44] <Jeroi> autogen.sh: line 8: gtkdocize: command not found
[16:44] <Jeroi> hmm what lib I miss now?
[16:45] <Lynoure> Jeroi: not a lib... gtk-doc-tools
[16:45] <Jeroi> thanks
[16:45] <Dr_willis> !find gtkdocize
[16:46] <ubotu> File gtkdocize found in gtk-doc-tools
[16:46] <TimS> Jucato: It calls it mime-type camera, as it is essentialy a memory card, but the picture is an ipod, is it possible an application like amarok is interfearing and changing the icon?
[16:47] <mario> ho effettuato al connessione con kppp, ma konqueror non naviga, c,é qualcuno che sa dirmi perchè?
[16:47] <maybeway36> when you plug an ipod into windows, it says its a camera
[16:47] <Jucato> !it | mario
[16:47] <ubotu> mario: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[16:50] <mario> I start kppp, but konqueror don't work. Is there someone that tell me why?
[16:52] <Dr_willis> clarify 'dont work'
[16:52] <bazhang> or see !doesntwork
[16:52] <maybeway36> what are the other KMenus for KDE3 called?
[16:53] <Dr_willis> and as for kppp.. You mean to say you are using a dial up account, using kppp, and the web browsing feature of konqueror is not going to web sites?
[16:53] <maybeway36> i want to try one out
[16:53] <Dr_willis> if so.. do other browsers work?
[16:54] <Dr_willis> well bbl.. take care.
[16:54] <Jucato> maybeway36: kbfx, tasty menu, kickoff (the one from suse)
[16:54] <maybeway36> Jucato: thanks
[16:59] <Jeroi> libsysfs
[16:59] <Jeroi> what I miss?
[16:59] <Jeroi> what package do I need to install?
[16:59] <tekstacy> What command do I use to check the physical health of a hdd?
[16:59] <Jeroi> I manged to build libmirage
[17:00] <Jeroi> but now cdemu-daemon configure says:
[17:00] <Jeroi> checking sysfs/libsysfs.h usability... no
[17:00] <Jeroi> checking sysfs/libsysfs.h presence... no
[17:00] <Jeroi> checking for sysfs/libsysfs.h... no
[17:00] <Jeroi> configure: error: can not find libsysfs headers
[17:00] <hdevalence> My sound doesn't work
[17:01] <Jeroi> hdevalence
[17:01] <Jeroi> enable your sound: kmix
[17:02] <hdevalence> Jeroi: it is enabled
[17:03] <tekstacy> Go to the sound system tab in kcontrol and check that it is enabled and the hardware is set right
[17:04] <hdevalence> it is enabled and the hw is set on autodetect
[17:04] <tekstacy> What kind of sound system?
[17:04] <hdevalence> tekstacy: what do you mean?
[17:05] <tekstacy> What kind of computer are you using?
[17:06] <hdevalence> Inspiron 1420. The sound card worked on a previous kubuntu install (7.10)
[17:07] <CheGuevara> hdevalence: you running the .24 kernel?
[17:07] <tekstacy> If it worked in 7.10, I have no idea why it wouldn't now. Sorry.
[17:08] <hdevalence> CheGuevara: I'm running 2.6.22-14
[17:09] <CheGuevara> hmm weird
[17:09] <CheGuevara> i would understand why it don't work under .24
[17:09]  * hdevalence is upset that apt-get update wants to download 208MB of files
[17:10] <CheGuevara> thats not that much :P
[17:11] <hdevalence> it'll take like 20mins
[17:11] <llutz> 80secs
[17:13] <dm> Hello. I have a usb webcam 0c45:602c which is supported by the ubuntu included gspca driver. When plugging it in the driver is loaded and /dev/video0 is created. But I get error messages when trying to use it: xawtv says "X Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode", camorama "Could not connect to /dev/video0". Any idea?
[17:13] <Jeroi> omg
[17:13] <Jeroi> I did build cdemu
[17:13] <Jeroi> ahahaha
[17:13] <Jeroi> damn I'm goog
[17:13] <Jeroi> for amd64
[17:13] <Jeroi> man that needed alot of libs
[17:15] <CheGuevara> dm: nvidia video car?
[17:27] <tucci> i'm trying to share a folder on my lan, with one of my roommates Macs - I think it's all set up, but the other computer isn't seeing it - anyone have any hints?
[17:28] <_gtt_> tucci: NFS or samba?
[17:28] <tucci> gtt: nfs
[17:29] <effie_jayx> installing kde icon themes... is fun...
[17:30] <effie_jayx> I could get drunk If I keep following instructions like these...
[17:30] <Jucato> O.o
[17:30] <Jucato> what instructions?
[17:30] <effie_jayx> 4. open a terminal there, 5. run ./buildset, 6. get a beer
[17:30] <Jucato> blame the icon theme maker :)
[17:31] <effie_jayx> Jucato: I love browsing kde-look.org... and If I install 18 themes... I'll be drunk as hell :D
[17:31] <Jucato> installing a normal/sane icon theme on kde is easy :)
[17:31] <effie_jayx> Jucato:  theses are hard to find... in kde-look.org they have got a mess...
[17:31] <Jucato> kde-look is a mess :)
[17:32] <effie_jayx> Jucato:  good stuff but I just cannot tell the tar.bz2 from the tar.gz or other untill I start downloading...
[17:32] <effie_jayx> Jucato: ahhhwww I see...
[17:32] <effie_jayx> Jucato:  I do not complaing about the instructions.. though
[17:32] <effie_jayx> I may have to run to the licor store...
[17:32] <effie_jayx> :D
[17:33] <Jucato> .tar.gz or .tar.bz2, it doesn't matter. it's what's inside that will make it easy or hard to install the theme
[17:33] <Jucato> normal icon themes don't involve doing anything on the command line or even extracting the contents of the tarball
[17:33] <Jucato> oh well... bed :)
[17:33] <sigma_123> i like tar.bz2 .its nice and compressed
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> bye Jucato
[17:34] <Cugel> d1c
[17:34] <dm> CheGuevara: [webcam] No, it's an ATI card.
[17:34] <hdevalence> hey, anybody know where I could obtain a gutsy libdvdcss2 for amd64?
[17:34] <dm> hdevalence: medibuntu
[17:35] <hdevalence> dm: i thought medibuntu only worked for feisty &earlier
[17:35] <Jucato> you'll have to check with them. they might have packages
[17:35] <Jucato> !libdvdcss2
[17:35] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[17:36] <nosrednaekim> hdevalence: it really doesn't matter, just find the individual .deb
[17:37] <sigma_123> it does work on gutsy
[17:37] <sigma_123> anyone here tried kubuntu on a eee pc yet?
[17:37] <bazhang> yup
[17:38] <sigma_123> how does it perform?
[17:38] <nosrednaekim> anyone tried KDE4 on a eeepc?
[17:38] <bazhang> well, but no wireless
[17:38] <frojnd> Hello there: is there any tool for recovering dvds ? like thisone for wins: http://www.softplatz.com/Soft/Utilities/Backup/Recovery-Toolbox-for-CD-Free
[17:39] <SSJ_GZ> nosrednaekim: There's a clip somewhere - one moment.
[17:39] <bazhang> join #eeepc
[17:39] <SSJ_GZ> nosrednaekim: http://www.jespersaur.com/drupal/node/36
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: can't you use ndiswrapper with the windows driver?
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> thanks
[17:39] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: sure :}
[17:40] <Jeroi> omg it dont work
[17:40] <Jeroi> after making 4 makes
[17:41] <Jeroi> I got every libs builded amd64, still it made context menu only to desktop
[17:41] <Jeroi> lol
[17:41] <Jeroi> any other context menus do not work
[17:41] <sigma_123> bazhang: shouldnt da wireless work if it works on da xandros that comes with it?
[17:41] <tucci> i'm trying to upgrade to gutsy but it fails partway through, seemingly unable to connect to Medibuntu (my internet connection is working fine though) anyone able to help?
[17:42] <frojnd> anyone know any recovery tool for recovering DVDs on linux platform ?
[17:42] <tucci> tucci: to clarify, I'm apparently getting 404 errors when connecting to medibuntu
[17:42] <nosrednaekim> sigma_123: proprietary kernel module
[17:42] <bazhang> sigma_123: they use this weird atheros_swan card so ndiswrapper is the only way last I checked sorry for the offtopic
[17:43] <nosrednaekim> tucci: "sudo apt-get update"
[17:43] <sigma_123> ah i see. so wats da point?
[17:43] <sigma_123> i thought it was a fully oss laptop
[17:44] <tucci> nosrednaekim: same thing, 404 errors with medibuntu
[17:44] <sigma_123> bazhang: what fps does it giv u in glxgears?
[17:45] <nosrednaekim> tucci: well, when you are upgrading. its advized to remove all extra repositories
[17:45] <bazhang> sigma_123: tried it, but not with all the effects--just the live cd
[17:45] <tucci> nosrednaekim: oh it's not necessary at all? let me try that
[17:47] <al3x4ndr3>  where can i get the Gutsy repostory which contain Strigi 0.5.7?
[17:47] <Stargazers> Hi.
[17:47] <Stargazers> Can someone help me with KDE4 installation?
[17:48] <stdin> al3x4ndr3: either use the PPA repository from the RC2 announcement or use gutsy-backports
[17:48]  * Tm_T slaps Stargazers 
[17:48] <nosrednaekim> Stargazers: sure... did you read the wiki already?
[17:48] <Tm_T> Stargazers: please don't make metaquestions
[17:48] <al3x4ndr3> ok thanks :)
[17:48] <Tm_T> !helpme | Stargazers
[17:48] <ubotu> Stargazers: Avoid your questions being followed by a trail of "Please, help me", "Can nobody help me?", "I really need this!", and so on. This just contributes to making the channel unreadable. If you are not answered, ask again later; but see also !repeat and !patience
[17:48] <Stargazers> nosrednaekim: Well.. Let me see. Have to switch back to graphical.
[17:49] <limac> does anyone here know a good blender tutorial  ( video) for face modelling)
[17:49] <Stargazers> Tm_T: Ok ok :)
[17:49] <tucci> nosrednaekim: thanks, appears to be workin
[17:49] <nosrednaekim> tucci: cool
[17:50] <Tm_T> Stargazers: btw if you like, I have some time today, jabber etc ->
[17:50] <Stargazers> Tm_T: Actuallu, I was looking for you.
[17:50] <Tm_T> I knew it
[17:50] <Stargazers> Tm_T: Ok, come to MSN. I have forgot (or someone has hacked) my password in jabber,
[17:50] <Tm_T> meh
[17:50] <Stargazers> MSN?
[17:50] <Tm_T> sure
[17:50] <Tm_T> ->
[17:50] <Stargazers> GG.
[17:51] <BluesKaj> suomalainens ! : )
[17:51] <Stargazers> BluesKaj: Hmm?
[17:51] <nosrednaekim> 0.o
[17:51] <hdevalence> I'm having problems with the mounthelper
[17:51] <BluesKaj> hehe, just kidding the finlanders
[17:51] <hdevalence> umount: only root can unmount /dev/scd0 from /media/cdrom0
[17:51] <Stargazers> BluesKaj: Ok :P
[17:51] <nosrednaekim> hdevalence: are you in admin mode?
[17:52] <nosrednaekim> hdevalence: wait, the mount helper in system settings?
[17:52] <nosrednaekim> or the unmounter that you get when you rightclick on a device....
[17:52] <hdevalence> when i push the eject button on the cdrom drive
[17:53] <nosrednaekim> hdevalence: ah... how did you mount the device? "sudo mount...."?
[17:53] <hdevalence> the cd was in the drive when I booted
[17:54] <nosrednaekim> hdevalence: ah.... ok do "sudo umount /media/cdrom0"
[17:55] <nosrednaekim> apparently your Fstab mounts the CD by default... and in root mode <_<
[17:57] <stdin> shouldn't if it has "user" in the options
[17:57] <stdin> and "noauto" ofcourse
[17:58] <dm> Hello. I have a usb webcam 0c45:602c which is supported by the ubuntu included gspca driver. When plugging it in the driver is loaded and /dev/video0 is created. But I get error messages when trying to use it: xawtv says "X Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode", camorama "Could not connect to /dev/video0". It's an ATI video card (if that matters). Any idea?
[18:03] <BluesKaj> dm, does the webcam driver show up in system settings/monitor & display/hardware? You may have to use admin mode to see the driver being used .
[18:05] <dm> BluesKaj: `lsmod` tells me it's there and uses videodev which uses v4l2_common ...
[18:08] <kye> whats the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu one is KDE and the other is GNOME?
[18:08] <jpatrick> kye: yep
[18:09] <kye> i just installed the kubuntu desktop and i like it.. kind of makes a lot of mess since i had ubuntu so im going to do a fresh install now..
[18:09] <jpatrick> so you want just kde?
[18:09] <kye> what does it mean by supported until 2008?
[18:09] <kye> they will not making updates for it in 2008?
[18:10] <jpatrick> updates and security things
[18:10] <kye> wanted that make it rootable if they stopped?
[18:10] <kye> wouldnt*
[18:10] <jpatrick> rootable?
[18:10] <kye> people coming up with root kits to root a unsecured ubuntu server since there are no more updates?
[18:11] <kye> im just trying to understand why they would stop making security updates
[18:11] <jpatrick> kye: you can support something forever
[18:11] <sebix> anybody speak in spanish
[18:11] <sebix> ???
[18:11] <pag> !es | sebix
[18:11] <ubotu> sebix: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[18:12] <kye> jpatrick, so after 2008 will they release another kubuntu with more support?
[18:12] <sebix> this node not run
[18:12] <kye> Im using ubuntu but i installed the kubuntu desktop
[18:13] <jpatrick> kye: yeah, you can upgrade to the next version whose support expires at a later daate
[18:13] <jpatrick> sebix: /join #kubuntu-es
[18:13] <kye> since i did that im having to reinstall everytthing like compiz-fusion
[18:13] <kye> so i might as well just format to kubuntu
[18:13] <kye> thank you very much, jpatrick!
[18:13] <jpatrick> kye: no problem...
[18:15] <pag> kye, actually you can just remove ubuntu-desktop packages and have "clean" install without reinstallation of Kubuntu. see http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde for more info ;)
[18:15] <kye> pag.. ty
[18:18] <kye> pag so that means i will still be running ubuntu 7.10 which is supported until 2010 i believe but will be using pure KDE
[18:18] <jpatrick> !purekde | kye
[18:18] <ubotu> kye: purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[18:19] <pag> kye, you will be running a system, that is identical (assuming you havenät made any changes) to the system you'd get by installing Kubuntu 7.10 from a cd
[18:19] <pag> haven't I mean ;P
[18:20] <wers> how do i delete search history in konqueror?
[18:21] <pag> wers, like.. in google?
[18:21] <wers> yes pag
[18:22] <jpatrick> wers: F9->History thing -> clear history
[18:22] <pag> wers, right click on a entry field (where you type your searches) and choose "clear history"
[18:22] <wers> coooooooool
[18:22] <wers> thanks pag
[18:22] <wers> jpatrick, i changed my F9 hotkey
[18:22] <jpatrick> aha
[18:22] <wers> what's supposed to come out?
[18:22] <jpatrick> the left sidebar
[18:23] <wers> ooooh
[18:23] <wers> coool
[18:23] <wers> thanks :)
[18:23] <kye> pag, thank you! and you as well jpatrick!
[18:23] <pag> np :)
[18:24] <wers> kye, having the same problem?
[18:24] <wers> hehe
[18:24] <Shadz> hiyas
[18:24] <Shadz> Merry Xmas :-)
[18:24] <Shadz> my friend needs to repair her comp... so I don't have time to really search..
[18:24] <Shadz> does Kubuntu now support writing NTFS?
[18:25] <pag> Shadz, it does. I'm not sure, if it does so by default though
[18:25] <kye> Shadz,? dont you just mount the ntfs driver
[18:25] <Shadz> if not.. is it possible to install the Linux-NTFS files into it?
[18:25] <kye> Shadz, i mount my XP partition all the time
[18:25] <Shadz> well, i was using K6.04
[18:25] <kye> edit fstab
[18:25] <stdin> it does as long as you mount as "ntfs-3g" not "ntfs"
[18:25] <Shadz> and before, it can only read
[18:25] <Shadz> oh?
[18:26] <stdin> ntfs-3d is the driver with write support
[18:26] <Shadz> what version of Kubuntu is that from?
[18:26] <Shadz> i don't remember seeing that
[18:26] <stdin> it's installed by default from feisty on
[18:26] <Shadz> serious?!?!
[18:26] <Shadz> and I've never noticed it?!
[18:26] <Shadz> ....
[18:26]  * Shadz kicks himself
[18:27] <pag> stdin, it is? :O (personally I haven't noticed it, but it's just me :D )
[18:27] <TheGateKeeper> ntfs-3g
[18:28] <stdin> pag: yeah, it's a recommends of ubuntu-standard
[18:28] <Shadz> ooo
[18:28] <Shadz> so you just mount as usual, just as NTFS-3g, instead of the normal NTFS that I'm used to?
[18:28] <stdin> basically, yeah
[18:29] <stdin> !ntfs-3g
[18:29] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[18:29] <stdin> that has some examples
[18:30] <stdin> erm, it *did* anyway
[18:31] <effie_jayx> hey all .. I played a flash video on firefox, I closed firefox and now amarok won't play .. It read audio device unavailable
[18:31] <stdin> you can install "ntfs-config" for a gui for it (it's GTK+ but it works)
[18:31] <Shadz> oo
[18:31] <Shadz> cool
[18:31] <Shadz> so Kubuntu 7.04+ is also NTFS-3g compatible yes?
[18:31] <Shadz> I do prefer Kubuntu to Ubuntu :-P
[18:32] <stdin> yeah, ubuntu-standard is installed on all ubuntu variants
[18:32] <Shadz> woohoo!
[18:32] <stdin> effie_jayx: see if you can find what's blocking it with "lsof |grep /dev/dsp"
[18:33] <Shadz> thanks stdin, gatekeeper
[18:33] <trappist> or just lsof /dev/dsp
[18:33] <stdin> I don't know why, but sometimes that doesn't show the thing that's blocking it, but grep does...
[18:33] <effie_jayx> no output
[18:34] <stdin> try restarting amarok, I don't know if it will try to open the audio device again if it was blocked
[18:35] <trappist> also next time you buy a sound card, get one that does hardware mixing, like an audigy, and this won't be an issue
[18:35] <effie_jayx> stdin: I have restarted amarok
[18:35] <effie_jayx> I get the smae error
[18:35] <effie_jayx> trappist: not much option when It comes in a laptop ;)
[18:36] <trappist> true :)
[18:36] <trappist> effie_jayx: ps aux | grep arts
[18:36] <padey> does anyone know how to get the old kde 2 icons for kubuntu 7.1?
[18:36] <awarring> when i start kubuntu, my network connection doesn't work. To fix it i go to System Settings->Network Settings->Network Connections, and disable eth0 and then re-enable eth0.....does anyone know why i have to do this everytime my system boots?
[18:37] <Tm_T> padey: you mean hicolor or what?
[18:37] <effie_jayx> trappist: valles   31366  0.0  0.9  64556  8236 ?        Sl   08:22   0:05 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -martsmessage -l 3 -f
[18:37] <trappist> awarring: can you pastebin you /etc/network/interfaces?
[18:37] <trappist> effie_jayx: try killing it, then restarting it
[18:38] <padey> I'm not sure, I was a gnome user until recently :P
[18:38] <pete__> so i've heard all these things about linux being SO stable, but since I installated it last night i get constant notifications saying nsplugin viewer has crashed
[18:38] <effie_jayx> effie_jayx: killall ??? arts
[18:38] <jpatrick> effie_jayx: yes
[18:39] <trappist> pete__: linux is stable.  not all software written for linux is automatically stable.
[18:39] <pete__> i cant even open konquerer or konverstaion without kubuntu crashing
[18:39] <pete__> well, i figured progs stocked wqith it would be somewhat stable
[18:39] <pete__> and when i try to use the add programs app, it crashes as well
[18:39] <pete__> so i have to manually install every package
[18:39] <Banana_Joe> hello :) i have got 1 question. how to remove the Workspace switcher in the panel? i dont need it there ;)
[18:39] <trappist> pete__: for most people, they are.  sounds like you've got something "up" with your system.
[18:39] <effie_jayx> no
[18:39] <effie_jayx> it doesn't do it
[18:40] <trappist> Banana_Joe: should be able to right-click it
[18:40] <pete__> um,. its dual booted with xp, xp runs great
[18:40] <sigma_123> it is stable. actually more so than windows
[18:40] <effie_jayx> I killall artsd
[18:40] <trappist> effie_jayx: same error?
[18:40] <Cannoli> what does this error mean in fdisk
[18:40] <pete__> hmmmm
[18:40] <Cannoli> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary
[18:40] <effie_jayx> trappist: yes
[18:40] <pete__> xp runs circle around kubuntu on my system
[18:40] <trappist> effie_jayx: and what was that error again? (I wasn't paying attention when this came up)
[18:41] <Pici> pete__: Do you get an error when things crash?
[18:41] <Banana_Joe> trappist: no i try it but i wont get away. there is no option for it
[18:41] <pete__> yeah, nsplugin viewer has crashed
[18:41] <effie_jayx> trappist: Audio output unavailable : Device busy... in amarok...
[18:41] <pete__> it happened just now while i was typing, lol
[18:41] <BluesKaj> pete__,  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[18:42] <pete__> and that will install kubuntu again?
[18:42] <BluesKaj> just the desktop
[18:42] <trappist> pete__: have you updated the flash player?
[18:42] <pete__> yeah
[18:42] <trappist> pete__: I see your bug on launchpad.
[18:43] <trappist> pete__: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nspluginwrapper/+bug/174343
[18:43] <trappist> pete__: the new flash plugin is incompatible with konqueror
[18:43] <pete__> how can i uninstall it?
[18:43] <trappist> looks like there's a patch available to fix it.  see the bug.
[18:43] <sigma_123> well theres da problem right there
[18:44] <pete__> ty
[18:44] <trappist> you'd have to rebuild some stuff though.
[18:44] <sigma_123> just use da older version
[18:44] <pete__> it looks like it
[18:45] <trappist> pete__: you can get rid of your libflashplayer.so and replace it with an older one in the mean time
[18:45] <pete__> im not real familiar with linux, i thought ubuntu was easy to install/uninstall programs
[18:46] <effie_jayx> trappist: looks like a reboot can do...
[18:46] <pete__> i could've just installed slackware, haha
[18:46] <effie_jayx> I can't reboot now... I am in the middle of compiling... thanks anyway
[18:46] <trappist> pete__: for the most part, yeah.  but you get into dangerous territory when you install software without using the official software repos (like by upgrading flash :))
[18:46] <effie_jayx> pete__: slack current is an option ...
[18:46] <pete__> yeah, konquerer prompted me for the install
[18:47] <effie_jayx> pete__:  use firefox...
[18:47] <pete__> see, i want firefox, but it wont install
[18:47] <pete__> and i cant use apt get to install it
[18:47] <Pici> Error?
[18:47] <trappist> pete__: why?  it should already be installed, actually
[18:47] <pete__> it isnt
[18:48] <pete__> package firefox has no installation candidtae or something
[18:48] <jussi01> pete__: have you updated
[18:48] <pete__> ?
[18:48] <jussi01> sudo apt-get update
[18:48] <pete__> thanks
[18:49] <awarring> trappist: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49615/
[18:49] <pete__> hmmmm 1b of updates, lol
[18:49] <awarring> trappist: sorry for the delay
[18:50] <jussi01> pete__: also, do you have the universe repo enabled?
[18:50] <trappist> awarring: you need a line that says 'auto eth0'
[18:50] <awarring> ah
[18:50] <pete__> i havent disabled anything
[18:50] <Pici> !rootirc | intelikey
[18:50] <ubotu> intelikey: It's not technically our business, but we'd like to tell you that IRC'ing as root is a Very Bad Idea (tm). After all, doing anything as root when root is not needed is bad, and especially bad with software that connects to the Internet.
[18:50] <awarring> trappist: can it go anywhere?
[18:50] <intelikey> Pici tov
[18:51] <BluesKaj> !repositories | pete__
[18:51] <ubotu> pete__: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[18:51] <jussi01> pete__: just check anyway ;)
[18:51] <pete__> where shall i check?
[18:52] <trappist> awarring: put it above the 'iface eth0...' line
[18:52] <awarring> thanks trappist!!
[18:54] <pete__> therre was an error downloading updates
[18:54] <pete__> @#$#!
[18:54] <pete__> heh
[18:55] <jussi01> pete__: error?
[18:55] <jpatrick> !paste | pete__
[18:55] <pete__> i was using adept to get mozilla firefox
[18:55] <ubotu> pete__: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[18:56] <jussi01> pete__: it helps immensely if when you have an error you tell us exactly what it is - we dont have crystal balls ;)
[18:56] <pete__> im working on it
[18:57] <jussi01> :)
[18:57] <pete__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49617/
[18:57] <pete__> thats my update error
[18:57] <pete__> ive got a myriad of errors i could post
[18:57] <pag> !aptfix | pete__
[18:57] <ubotu> pete__: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[18:58] <jussi01> pete__: just close adept first
[18:58] <pete__> adept is closed
[18:58] <jussi01> pete__: run the command fromthe bot first
[18:58] <jussi01> ;)
[18:58] <intelikey> don't you wish all issues were that simple...
[18:59] <pag> intelikey, I wish there woudn't be those isuues either ;)
[18:59] <SirChas1> umm, question, has anyone had problems with their mute not working in kubuntu?
[18:59] <Tm_T> SirChas1: sure some does
[18:59] <intelikey> pag this channel would then evaporate
[19:00] <BluesKaj> pete__, open adept package manager, On the menu of that screen you will want to click on Adept -> Manage Repositories, click the kubuntu software tab, check all the boxes "X",m same goes for the third party software tab, close and then in the terminal "sudo apt-get update" . Now you have more sources for applications other then the defaults that came with Kubuntu.
[19:00] <pete__> k
[19:02] <Tm_T> IRSeekBot: ping
[19:03] <intelikey> lots of lag   heh
[19:03] <intelikey> or maybe he's down ...
[19:03] <pete__> so, is there an easy way to install firefox?
[19:04] <intelikey> apt-get install firefox ?
[19:04] <intelikey> did they change the name like they did gaim ?
[19:04] <pete__> nope, it works now
[19:04] <pete__> whats gaim
[19:04] <pete__> gaim's name now?
[19:05] <intelikey> pidgon
[19:05] <pete__> ah
[19:05] <jussi01> pete__: have you tried kopete?
[19:05] <_gtt_> pidgin
[19:05] <intelikey> i
[19:05] <pete__> yeah, its alright
[19:05] <BluesKaj> pete__, you can install firefox with adept
[19:05] <pete__> im in the process of installing it now
[19:05] <BluesKaj> cool :)
[19:05] <pete__> you guys are great help, firefox hasn't crashed yet ;)
[19:06] <jussi01> :)
[19:06] <intelikey> just enable all the "plugin crap" and it will  :)
[19:07] <intelikey> ooops.  /me is showing his colours again.
[19:07] <pete__> hah
[19:07] <pete__> so, no one uses bitchx anymore?
[19:07] <pete__> heh
[19:07] <pete__> its been a while since ive used linux
[19:08] <_gtt_> speaking of kopete.
[19:08] <jussi01> irssi ftw
[19:08] <_gtt_> ...
[19:08] <intelikey> pete__ /ver me
[19:08] <_gtt_> i can't get it to connect with my MSN account
[19:08] <jussi01> _gtt_: have you just installed?
[19:09] <_gtt_> recently installed gutsy on a laptop, yes.
[19:09] <_gtt_> i don't have moblock or any other firewall to my knowledge on it.
[19:09] <jussi01> _gtt_: updated recently?
[19:09] <_gtt_> yes.
[19:09] <pete__> im an unregistered user, i vant verson u
[19:09] <_gtt_> immediately after install... only got it installed on monday
[19:09] <jussi01> _gtt_: there was a bug but it should be fixed with an update...
[19:10] <_gtt_> ok.
[19:10] <_gtt_> hrmm
[19:10] <_gtt_> lemme try an update today
[19:10] <intelikey> pete__ oh.  well it would have said that i am using bx
[19:10] <pete__> heheh
[19:10] <SirChasm> aand i'm back
[19:10] <pete__> can i apt get bx?
[19:10] <intelikey> yep
[19:11] <_gtt_> 0 updates
[19:11] <jussi01> _gtt_: hrmmm
[19:11] <jussi01> weird
[19:12] <jussi01> _gtt_: got all the repos on?
[19:12] <SirChasm> ok, can anyone help me with the following problem: Kmix is separating "master" from "headphone". I have my laptop connected through the headphone jack to a sound system, and I want "master" volume to affect all channels, not just my laptop speakers (which is what master is at right now). How can I do this?
[19:12] <intelikey> i have a command i run as soon as i install a system    apt-get install mc bitchx elinkx sox ssh       sometimes i add to it.  but never subtract from it.
[19:12] <intelikey> err elinks  sorry
[19:12] <jussi01> SirChasm: right click kmix icon -> select master chan?
[19:14] <BlowYourMind> hello there was a key combination ctrl+ <some key> that opens up a dialog box in xchat which allows me to change the color of my msg what was it?
[19:14] <jussi01> SirChasm: you _may_ need to select pcm
[19:14] <SirChasm> jussi01: but then I'd have to have the laptop speakers muted all the time
[19:15] <_gtt_> jussi01: yes.
[19:15] <SirChasm> there's no way for kubuntu to understand when i ahve somethign plugged into the headphone jack that this means i want all sound to come through the headphone jack?
[19:15] <flaccid> common problem how you have to select pcm
[19:15] <dm> Hello. I have a usb webcam 0c45:602c which is supported by the ubuntu included gspca driver. When plugging it in the driver is loaded (says dmesg and lsmod) and /dev/video0 is created. But I get error messages when trying to use it: xawtv says "X Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode", camorama "Could not connect to /dev/video0". It's an ATI video card (if that matters). Any idea?
[19:15] <jussi01> SirChasm: it should understand that by default..
[19:16] <LimCore> hello,  how to rebuild the kernel that I have (in 7.10 amd64 bit) but exacly for my amd64 (not generic) SMP,  and while aplying to it grsecurity patch? (so perhaps it will be other version like 23.9)
[19:16] <flaccid> SirChasm: that can sometimes be hardware switching as well ie. when you plug it in changes output from speakers to headphones
[19:16] <SirChasm> jussi01: then it doesn't :p Any way to force it?
[19:16] <SirChasm> is it maybe cause i had "headphones" plugged in from the very beginning?
[19:17] <SirChasm> even when i was installing?
[19:17] <BlowYourMind> okay another question how can i set back konqueror to be the file browser, not internet browser i use firefox for that but i sincerely hate d3lphin
[19:18] <_gtt_> d3lphin suggz
[19:18] <BlowYourMind> suggz?
[19:18] <_gtt_> ok, i got 0.12.17 of kopete, and pidgin connects my MSN account but kopete doesnt
[19:18] <_gtt_> yes... suggz
[19:18] <BlowYourMind> dont know what that mean
[19:18] <flaccid> _gtt_: #kopete or !bugs
[19:18] <_gtt_> sucks
[19:18] <BlowYourMind> ahhhhhhhh
[19:18] <BlowYourMind> xDD
[19:18] <jussi01> !dolphin | BlowYourMind
[19:18] <ubotu> BlowYourMind: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[19:19] <BlowYourMind> yeah
[19:19] <Fudus> how can i bind the winkey to open the kde menu?
[19:19] <proximoo> whats the command for opening the KDE control panel ?
[19:20] <flaccid> proximoo: kcontrol
[19:20] <proximoo> thanks :)
[19:20] <intelikey> that's so criptic   heh
[19:20] <proximoo> hehe, well it doesent open anything on linux mint ><
[19:20] <proximoo> bah
[19:20] <BlowYourMind> omg jussi01 thanks
[19:20] <intelikey> maybe you don't have it installed
[19:20] <jussi01> !variant | proximoo
[19:20] <ubotu> proximoo: The following are some examples of Ubuntu derived distributions that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes, please consult their websites for more information: Linux Mint, LinuxMCE, Ubuntu Ultimate.
[19:21] <jussi01> BlowYourMind: :)
[19:21] <proximoo> hepp, not asking for support though =)
[19:22] <proximoo> intelikey: very possible, thanks for the tip =D
[19:24] <clyadams> is it true that Linux does not need any anti-virus?
[19:24] <intelikey> !virus | clyadams yes
[19:24] <ubotu> clyadams yes: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[19:24] <proximoo> clyadams: no not entirely true
[19:26] <trappist> clyadams: it's pretty much true
[19:26] <clyadams> i will read that link
[19:27] <limac> how can we change an object's front view to make it so that it's side view thru gimp?
[19:28] <trappist> huh?
[19:28] <Pici> ditto trappist
[19:28] <jussi01> ???
[19:28] <Pici> limac: What?
[19:29] <intelikey> if you put any trust in wikipidia articals (however the sources they provide may be good)   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses  is a good read
[19:29] <limac> make an object that is in front view and make a side  view of the same object
[19:29] <limac> Pici ^
[19:29] <clyadams> it says something called BLISS is the only known Linux virus
[19:30] <intelikey> clyadams see above ^
[19:30] <trappist> limac: I'm still not sure I understand what you're asking, but since gimp is for 2d image manipulation, make an image with the appropriate dimensions and call it a side view, I guess
[19:30] <clyadams> it says Linux is a hostile environment for virus, they cannot survive
[19:32] <trappist> clyadams: it would be really hard to make a successful linux virus.  it would have to exploit a vulnerability that would probably have been fixed long before the virus saw the light of day.  if you keep up with your security updates you'll be in good shape.
[19:32] <clyadams> is there any WINE emulator that DOES allow Windows programs real well? Does Linspire, known as Lindows, work good?
[19:32] <limac> trappist; like for blender, you need two views for an oject 9front and a side view), so i am getting the front view from the internet, but not the same object's side view. so is there any way to make a side view of that object?
[19:32] <trappist> linspire uses wine.
[19:32] <flaccid> clyadams: all depends on the application and there is the wine db for that
[19:33] <trappist> limac: blender does 3d.  gimp does 2d.
[19:33] <BluesKaj> SirChasm, alsamixer in the terminal , right arrow to "phone" , use the up arrow for a vol of about 70% , that should be sufficient.
[19:33] <clyadams> thanks for tip
[19:33] <jussi01> clyadams: crossover or cedega are ok for what they do
[19:33] <jussi01> !appdb | clyadams
[19:33] <ubotu> clyadams: The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org
[19:33] <trappist> clyadams: check out codeweavers.com for an "enhanced" wine that'll run more stuff.
[19:33] <intelikey> clyadams you may also want to look at cedega
[19:33] <trappist> not free, though
[19:33] <limac> trappist: thx
[19:33] <flaccid> if you wanna spend money buy crossover or cedega which are not free
[19:34] <flaccid> they have dbs as well to check
[19:34] <trappist> or buy both, since they both kinda rock
[19:35] <clyadams> good tip, i will write it down
[19:36] <clyadams> how much do they cost?
[19:36] <trappist> cedega last time I checked was $5/month with a 3 month minimum.  I think crossover is like $60
[19:37] <clyadams> 20 or so?
[19:37] <Cannoli> is it possible to restore my ipod in linux?
[19:37] <Cannoli> kubuntu to be specific
[19:37] <trappist> Cannoli: restore it?  from what?
[19:37] <Cannoli> well on windows itunes can reformat the entire thing and reset it to factory defaults
[19:38] <Cannoli> i was wondering if i can do that in linux
[19:38] <trappist> Cannoli: oh I dunno, there are several pieces of software to access your ipod.  one or more of them may have that feature.
[19:38] <trappist> my guess is no.
[19:38] <Cannoli> ok
[19:39] <Cannoli> im going to try gtkpod then
[19:39] <Cannoli> thank you
[19:39] <pete__> ubuntu is starting to win me over now that im over my issues
[19:40] <hussain> hi
[19:40] <trappist> pete__: that usually happens once it occurs to people that their problems might not be the distro's fault :)
[19:40] <pete__> haha
[19:40] <hussain> any geek can help please?
[19:40] <pete__> it was kde's
[19:40] <pete__> i miss windowmaker :\
[19:40] <hussain> I need to know if there's a possibility to chat from shell directly
[19:40] <marc0s> hi
[19:40] <sparr_w> after upgrading to [k]ubuntu gutsy, i cant print from openoffice apps.  there is no indication of failure, the documents just dont come out of the printer.  every other app prints fine.  help?
[19:40] <trappist> hussain: on what network/protocol?
[19:40] <BluesKaj> hussain, install irssi
[19:41] <hussain> I heard about  it....is that it? you install it and then?
[19:41] <BluesKaj> you chat from the TTY or shell
[19:41] <trappist> hussain: then run it, then say /connect irc.freenode.net, then /join #kubuntu
[19:41] <maco> hi there :) anybody willing to help me install KDE4 on Hardy?
[19:41] <hussain> yeahhhhhhhhhhh thx
[19:41] <maco> problem : kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4: Depends: kdebase-runtime-bin but it is not going to be installed
[19:43] <trappist> maco: don't do it!  I smashed through the dependency hell and found that kde4 just isn't there yet, and had to go through a much *worse* dependency hell to make kde3 work right again.
[19:43] <BluesKaj> early adopters , can't wait for stability
[19:43] <trappist> maco: if you want to try it, grab a kde4 livecd
[19:43] <maco> trappist: I would like to install it on the testing machine tho
[19:44] <trappist> maco: with that particular dependency problem, just install what it's complaining about.  in this case, sudo apt-get install kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdebase-runtime-bin
[19:44] <TuxMan> does anyone know if there is something (kubufox) that would be like ubufox, allowing firefox to download its plugins from repo??
[19:45] <maco> I have been going through dependency hell many times already - im running testing version of Ubuntu for some time now, however this is something I am not able to solve
[19:45] <intelikey> hussain that is not exactly "chatting dirrectly from the shell"  but you run an app in the shell which you then chat in.    there are several infact.  irssi bitchx epic xchat-text to name some of them.
[19:45] <trappist> maco: the kde4 packages have a lot of dependency issues that still need to be worked out.
[19:46] <TuxMan> aiyayai
[19:46] <maco> trappist: thanks, hopefully ill find a way how to work around it
[19:46] <TuxMan> ack will someone answer my question?
[19:47] <TuxMan> hm ill try this...
[19:47] <intelikey> TuxMan i'll answer.  not me.
[19:47] <maco> is there an apt-get flag to deny REMOVAL of installed paclage during 'install' command ?
[19:47] <TuxMan> !kubufox
[19:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubufox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:47] <TuxMan> lol
[19:47] <intelikey> just so you know you aren't being ignored
[19:48] <intelikey> !help
[19:48] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[19:48] <TuxMan> ooo it has a brain...
[19:48] <TuxMan> =P
[19:48] <OuZo> hi, how can i switch my file manager back to Konqueror? thanks (i dont like dolphin)
[19:48] <intelikey> heh systemicly speaking of course
[19:48] <trappist> maco: nope.  some packages conflict with others, and apt will insist on removing the conflicting packages.
[19:49] <intelikey> !dolphin | OuZo
[19:49] <marc0s> somebody has kopete working from the kde4 ppa repositories? mine complains about qca tls library when connecting to jabber ssl-enabled servers
[19:49] <marc0s> i have qca-tls package installed and libqca2[-dev] as well
[19:50] <TuxMan> marc0s: ha! I'm using it to message you right now!
[19:50] <OuZo> !dolphin
[19:50] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[19:50] <TuxMan> I like D3lphin bettter
[19:51] <marc0s> TuxMan: but are you using some jabber ssl-enabled server? I can connect to MSN without problems, the problem is when using ssl on jabber
[19:51] <TuxMan> ... who died?
[19:51] <TuxMan> I guess the server downstairs has jabber on it
[19:52] <TuxMan> and ssl
[19:52] <OuZo> thanks intelikey thats better
[19:52] <flaccid> i think it needs the tls plugin
[19:52] <intelikey> OuZo np
[19:52] <flaccid> qca-tls is usually what is needed
[19:52] <TuxMan> to KDM to see if KDE4 works now! bum buh dum!
[19:54] <marc0s> flaccid: i have qca-tls (1.0-3build1) and libqca2 (2.0.0.3) installed
[19:54] <marc0s> do you think i need something more?
[19:55] <flaccid> marc0s: whats the actual error returned
[19:56] <marc0s> flaccid: "SSL support coul not be initialized for account user@server. This is most likely because the QCA TLS plugin is not installed on your system"
[19:57] <trappist> marc0s: iirc that's a separate package
[19:57] <sparr_w> after i apt-get source a package, and modify the source, how can i build it with the same parameters as the original package?
[19:57] <marc0s> i know, and i have it installed
[19:58] <marc0s> i have qca-tls (1.0-3build1) and libqca2 (2.0.0.3) installed
[19:58] <flaccid> marc0s: google that error thoroughly, otherwise the problem could actually be the setting for the account or maybe you need libgnutls13 not sure
[19:58] <flaccid> !info libgnutls13
[19:58] <ubotu> libgnutls13: the GNU TLS library - runtime library. In component main, is important. Version 1.6.3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 306 kB, installed size 812 kB
[19:58] <marc0s> i did it already, but nothing found but to install he qca-tls package
[19:58] <flaccid> hmm thats important anyway
[19:59] <flaccid> marc0s: which jabber server is this, your own?
[19:59] <marc0s> yes
[19:59] <flaccid> check the logs to see what happens on the xmpp server when it tries the tls handshake
[19:59] <marc0s> i can try with a gmail/gtalk one also
[20:00] <pete__> anyone ever tried using a Zune w/ ubuntu?
[20:00] <marc0s> well it's my own and not, it's on my own domain but its at dreamhost actually
[20:00] <pete__> or amorok more specifically
[20:00] <jussi01> pete__: yep... no luck
[20:00] <pete__> that sucks
[20:00] <pete__> my creative zen will work, ubt not the zune, im sure its not a coincidence
[20:00] <pete__> heh
[20:01] <flaccid> marc0s: give gmail a go, if that works then could be the xmpp server. its weird this probably is usually 1) need the tls pkg 2) incorrect account setting eg.port
[20:02] <marc0s> damn, same error with the gmail accoung
[20:02] <marc0s> *account
[20:02] <marc0s> i'll search for the gnutls package...
[20:02] <flaccid> i would try a purge and reinstall of the package and/or kopete packages and then reboot and then try. if it doesn't work after that, then wtf
[20:03] <marc0s> i have gnutls installed...
[20:03] <marc0s> ok
[20:04] <kuya> help me please
[20:04] <kuya> mysound card not detected
[20:05] <flaccid> !sound | kuya
[20:05] <ubotu> kuya: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[20:08] <flaccid> someone got a puppy for christmas and its been crying all night can't sleep heh
[20:08] <white_gecko> hello
[20:08] <flaccid> hi white_gecko
[20:08] <lascar> !kismet
[20:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kismet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:08] <flaccid> !find kismet
[20:08] <ubotu> Found: kismet
[20:08] <flaccid> !info kismet | lascar
[20:08] <ubotu> lascar: kismet: Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 2007-01-R1b-1.1 (gutsy), package size 950 kB, installed size 2452 kB
[20:09] <lascar> I have it installed, but does anyone know how to operate kismet effectively?
[20:09] <white_gecko> !find grub
[20:09] <ubotu> Found: grub, grub-doc, ggz-grubby, grub-disk, grub-efi (and 5 others)
[20:09] <white_gecko> wow
[20:09] <maco> lascar kismet hes very nice documentation on their homepage
[20:09] <maco> www.kismetwireless.net (i guess
[20:09] <kuya> ok tank's alot
[20:09] <white_gecko> i have problem with grub i think
[20:10] <white_gecko> because grub wasn't installed correctly after kubuntu installation
[20:10] <lascar> maco: thanx
[20:10] <white_gecko> and there is also no menu.lst
[20:10] <white_gecko> how do i get a suitable menu.lst for grub?
[20:10] <white_gecko> i'm now runing on a livecd
[20:10] <white_gecko> (a kubunut livecd)
[20:11] <intelikey> white_gecko sudo grub-install /dev/hda   or sda as case may be
[20:11] <intelikey> oh wait.  live cd
[20:11] <white_gecko> just on the livecd without anything else?
[20:11] <intelikey> first mount the install and them add the  --root-dirrectory=/mountpoint/
[20:12] <intelikey> !grub | white_gecko it's all here
[20:12] <ubotu> white_gecko it's all here: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[20:13] <white_gecko> ah thx
[20:13] <white_gecko> i'll take a look
[20:18] <white_gecko> is it maby good to do it with dpkg-reconfigure?
[20:20] <pete___> hey
[20:20] <jussi01> hiya pete___
[20:20] <pete___> haha, bx
[20:20] <jussi01> pete___: any more issues?
[20:20] <pete___> none whatsoever
[20:21] <jussi01> pete___: great!
[20:21] <intelikey> white_gecko that's excessive but will work.
[20:22] <flaccid> brb
[20:23] <TimS> Is it possible to change the Mime-type of a device?
[20:23] <kdub> everytime i open the adept manager i get an error something about apt in use but im not using it and it wont let me install packages
[20:24] <jussi01> !aptfix
[20:24] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[20:24] <jussi01> kdub: ^^^^
[20:24] <kdub> thank you.. i will try it now.
[20:26] <white_gecko> !fuser
[20:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fuser - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:26] <flaccid> w0a kde4 is weird heh
[20:27] <kdub> jussi01: working great now. thank you!
[20:29] <jonatan> hola
[20:30] <jonatan> alguien ha utilizado crossover?
[20:30] <kdub> where do i go to access the resticted driver options
[20:30] <jhutchins_wk> !es | jonatan
[20:30] <ubotu> jonatan: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:31] <jonatan> gracias
[20:31] <ehc> !expo
[20:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about expo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:31] <icewater1an> is there a smart way to disable updates of the slocate db?
[20:31] <flaccid> !info restricted-manager-kde | kdub
[20:31] <ubotu> kdub: restricted-manager-kde: manage non-free hardware drivers - KDE frontend. In component restricted, is optional. Version 0.33.1 (gutsy), package size 64 kB, installed size 288 kB
[20:31] <flaccid> kdub: install that package if you are on gutsy
[20:31] <intelikey> restricted = non-linux non-free freedom hating money loving, greedy bastards software.
[20:31] <intelikey> oh sorry.
[20:32] <white_gecko> do i also use (hd0,2) for /dev/sda3 ? or is it only for /dev/hda3 ?
[20:32] <Cannoli> why cant i change the permissions to a folder in kdesu konqueror?
[20:32] <ehc> are there some window switchers and desktop switchers like expo (for desktop switching) that are more lightweight than compiz? compiz slows my computer to much.
[20:32] <Cannoli> im in the properties for that folder but its not letting me change the access permissions
[20:33] <intelikey> Cannoli probably because it has no permissions bit ?
[20:33] <Cannoli> what do u mean?
[20:33] <intelikey> Cannoli is it on an M$ file system ?
[20:33] <Cannoli> m$?
[20:33] <Cannoli> oh
[20:33] <Cannoli> yea
[20:34] <intelikey> then it has no perms.
[20:34] <intelikey> can't change what isn't there.
[20:34] <Cannoli> its on fat32
[20:34] <intelikey> you can however change the psyudo perms for the fs with the mount optios
[20:34] <flaccid> !ntfs | Cannoli
[20:34] <ubotu> Cannoli: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[20:34] <flaccid> check mount options and perms on the mount point
[20:35] <intelikey> mount -o remount,umask=000 /mount/point/
[20:35] <intelikey> yelds full world access   ^
[20:36] <Cannoli> haha this is my ipod so i dont wanna screw arround with it too much
[20:36] <Cannoli> its ok i got a solution
[20:36] <Cannoli> thanks :)
[20:36] <intelikey> obviously he doesn't understand psyudo permissions.
[20:37] <Cannoli> nope
[20:37] <Cannoli> :)
[20:38] <flaccid> dang
[20:38] <Lynoure> Cannoli: those do not change anything on your device, just how it can be accesses on Kubuntu. So no screwdriver needed.
[20:38] <jonatan> no puedo cambiarme de canal?
[20:39] <jonatan> no se ingles
[20:39] <jpatrick> !es | jonatan
[20:39] <giuseppe> where can I download server.met for amule?
[20:39] <ubotu> jonatan: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:40] <jonatan> no los encuentro, supongo que estan en archivos
[20:40] <jpatrick> jonatan: /join #kubuntu-es
[20:41] <jonatan> hola
[20:41] <intelikey> flaccid why perms on the mountpoint ?
 check mount options and perms on the mount point <<< i'm failing to see what the perms on the mountpoint has to do with it...   sorry.     unless you are talking about 'while it's mounted' that is.
[20:43] <jack333> hey, i just installed kubuntu 7.10 with the DVD, and almost all my start menu items start with "_:Entires in K-Menu"
[20:44] <giuseppe> sorry, why when I close dolphin appears: Unable to save bookmarks in /home/giuseppe/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.
[20:45] <giuseppe> can you tell me which command I have to type to solve it? chmod...
[20:45] <rioner> hello
[20:45] <Flare183> giuseppe: it's a retarted bug in dolphin I would suggest you use konqureror
[20:45] <rioner> higuy
[20:45] <rioner> guys
[20:45] <rioner> i wanna ask something
[20:45] <Flare183> !ask
[20:45] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[20:45] <flaccid> intelikey: they can affect the mount depending if you give options or what options you give. its a good practice to set the ownership and perms on the mount point when creating the mountpoint
[20:46] <rioner> what's the command for compress a file with split
[20:46] <rioner> I have a folder 4 G, i wanna compress it and split to 100 MB every fils
[20:46] <giuseppe> Flare183: I know it's enough to change permission on bookmark.xml but I don't remember command line: chmod...
[20:46] <rioner> I have a folder 4 G, i wanna compress it and split to 100 MB every file
[20:47] <rioner> what's the command :D
[20:47] <adhi> acl885 not detected
[20:47] <Flare183> giuseppe: well as you keep using Dolphin it keeps doing that, it will revert back to "deinable"*
[20:47] <flaccid> try google or #bash rioner
[20:47] <adhi> my soundcard not detected
[20:47] <Flare183> sorry i can't spell
[20:48] <adhi> my sound card not detected
[20:48] <Flare183> !repeat
[20:48] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[20:48] <intelikey> flaccid hmmm i have never noticed mountpoint perms affecting default mount options    i'll have to look into that.
[20:50] <flaccid> its hard for me to remember exactly what but from memory it helps with mounting vfat filesystems without having to specify aditional options, just rw for example
[20:51] <flaccid> no uid stuff, it uses the owner iirc, but hey i could be wrong, i think its like this on bsd hard to remember
[20:52] <sourcemaker> My system is down.... Grub Error 17... I do not how to solve the problem.... I am using the live cd... to enter the irc channel
[20:52] <intelikey> k  i'm testing with it now for more info.   but also busy.   so it will take a while to conclued
[20:52] <intelikey> !grub | sourcemaker
[20:52] <ubotu> sourcemaker: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[20:52] <intelikey> first link sourcemaker ^
[20:52] <sourcemaker> I have reinstalled grub...
[20:52] <flaccid> intelikey: sweet as, if im wrong, i'll test and see if its freebsd im used to
[20:52] <intelikey> k
[20:54] <intelikey> sourcemaker when you get all the info right it should work.   check your boot/grub/devices.map and boot/grub/menu.lst   the error may well be in one of those.   or you may have just changed the bios order of the disks  that will throw an error 17 too
[20:54] <intelikey> what error 17 is telling you is that it can't find the fs
[20:55] <intelikey> i.e. wrong address.
[20:55] <joe__> hello
[20:56] <sourcemaker> intelikey:
[20:56] <sourcemaker> - the bios order is ok... checked
[20:56] <sourcemaker> - menu.lst ... checked
[20:56] <sourcemaker> - device.map check... everthing is ok... or seems to be so
[20:56] <BluesKaj> hey joe__
[20:56] <sourcemaker> intelikey:  grub-install does also not solve the problem
[20:56] <flaccid> i would press 'e' in grub and edit the hd(x,x) entry and press 'b' until you get the right one and it boots..
[20:56] <joe__> hi im anewbie need some help with this
[20:56] <sourcemaker> intelikey: using the manuall way... root/setup.. also does not work
[20:57] <sourcemaker> intelikey: I am working since 2 hours... nothing worked
[20:57] <flaccid> also i have found with gutsy its changed logical names for the partitions on me a couple of times hda5 changed to hda6 twice without partition change on disk!
[20:57] <BluesKaj> just ask , joe__
[20:57] <Schuenemann> how do I submit translation errors?
[20:57] <albatross27> Hi.
[20:57] <albatross27> Can I ask a question?
[20:57] <Schuenemann> !ask | albatross27
[20:57] <ubotu> albatross27: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[20:57] <BluesKaj> !ask
[20:57] <flaccid> !ask | albatross27
[20:57] <albatross27> Sorry.
[20:58] <albatross27> My code isn't compiling :)
[20:58] <alexbobp> oh, don't gang up on him...
[20:58] <BluesKaj> hehe
[20:58] <joe__> loaded kubuntu after updates adept dont run:(
[20:58] <albatross27> Thanks, alexbobp
[20:58] <alexbobp> albatross27: come on, I know you can be more specific than that.  :P
[20:58] <flaccid> alexbobp: im sure thats not the case. people reacted at the same time
[20:58] <albatross27> alexbobp: well, I'm trying to write a Hello World program in C.
[20:58] <uzytkownik> hello, I'm new person
[20:58] <alexbobp> flaccid: I know, I was joking
[20:58] <flaccid> oh sorry no tone on irc..
[20:58] <alexbobp> albatross27: the first thing is to install the build-essential package if you haven't yet
[20:58] <flaccid> albatross27: try going to like #c
[20:58] <Schuenemann> gang up heh
[20:58] <albatross27> albatross27: but it gives me way too many errors :(
[20:59] <albatross27> *alexbobp: it gives me....
[20:59] <albatross27> etc etc
[20:59] <sourcemaker> how can I solve the problem grub error 17... there is no futher error message...
[20:59] <sourcemaker> Loading Grub
[20:59] <sourcemaker> Error 17
[20:59] <intelikey> flaccid the ownership and permissions on the mount point have absolutely no affect on the default mount command     tested   mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win98   <<< vfat   with user ownership and with non-standard perms   no change defaults to  drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 Dec 31  1969 /mnt/win98  every time.
[20:59] <Schuenemann> how can I submit translation errors?
[20:59] <BluesKaj> joe__, pls explain "adept don't run" ?
[20:59] <flaccid> what was the fstab or mount command you used for that intelikey ?
[21:00] <uzytkownik> i dod'nt know, that this program is ok ...
[21:00] <flaccid> i think you will find it different when its a user mount situation intelikey, we can test that
[21:00] <uzytkownik> is here someone from Poland??
[21:00] <intelikey> flaccid the mount command is listed ^  and the fstab is commented out so it's not reading it.
[21:00] <Schuenemann> !pl | uzytkownik
[21:00] <ubotu> uzytkownik: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[21:00] <BluesKaj> !pl | uzytkownik
[21:00] <joe__> well goes into read mode and then saves a file but always says its open already
[21:00] <albatross27> alexbobp: I don't know why it keeps giving me errors. :(
[21:00] <flaccid> intelikey: did you mount under root or normal user?
[21:00] <albatross27> alexbobp: http://rafb.net/p/DFaoBx83.html
[21:01] <intelikey> flaccid root
[21:01] <sigma_123> wonda wat da kubuntu after hardy will be called? is there even a animal that starts with the letter i
[21:01] <Cannoli> i have a partition /dev/sdc1 mounted in /mnt/asd
[21:01] <Cannoli> how do i unmount it?
[21:01] <Schuenemann> albatross27, you'd be luckier in a C channel, your question does not involve kubuntu
[21:01] <albatross27> ok
[21:01] <alexbobp> albatross27: I'm no c programmer, but you're using the wrong bracketing
[21:01] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix | joe__
[21:01] <alexbobp> I was too late...
[21:01] <ubotu> joe__: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[21:01] <flaccid> intelikey: see i think its dif when its user mount, for example you can have an fstab entry that has user option and any user can mount it but you can lock certain users out etc.
[21:02] <flaccid> thats without the need for further mount options/masks
[21:02] <joe__> sorry blueskaj is that a command?
[21:02] <flaccid> user mount is preferable particularly for removable media
[21:02] <adhi> this the error massege.. Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one. what it is
[21:03] <adhi> ??
[21:03] <flaccid> !adeptfix | adhi
[21:03] <ubotu> adhi: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[21:03] <BluesKaj> joe__, copy and paste this into the terminal :  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:03] <flaccid> bbs
[21:03] <intelikey> flaccid nosuid system.  users can't mount here.   but i understand what you are saying.   just noting that default mount is not affected by mountpoint blah
[21:04] <alexbobp> I want to download deb packages to install on a non-network-connected computer.  Is there an easy way to get a list of everything that needs to be installed for a specific package?
[21:04] <joe__> blueskaj asks if i must keep current version ?
[21:06] <intelikey> alexbobp if you have tweenkey systems (same os same packages) the easy way is to; apt-get clean && apt-get -d install blah   and copy everything from /var/cache/apt/archives over
[21:07] <adhi> my kubuntu can't play .mp3
[21:07] <intelikey> alexbobp but you can (on the target box) run apt-get install blah    and copy the list of packages it wants to install
[21:07] <sigma_123> no standard kubuntu install can
[21:07] <sigma_123> !mp3
[21:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[21:08] <intelikey> alexbobp then use the apt-get -d install `that list here`    and copy everything from /var/cache/apt/archives over
[21:08] <Cannoli> how do i view ./ files :S
[21:08] <intelikey> less ./filename
[21:09] <Cannoli> wht if its a folder?
[21:09] <intelikey> or do you mean view a list of the file in ./ ?
[21:09] <BluesKaj> joe__, make sure you don't have adept or apt open in the terminal , or if it is still trying to update
[21:09] <jack333> how do i tell what version i am using?
[21:09] <intelikey> Cannoli ls ./
[21:09] <Cannoli> well i have a folder called ./asd  and i want to copy it but i cant see it
[21:09] <Cannoli> but in the adress bar i can access it
[21:09] <jack333> how do i tell what versino kubuntu im using?
[21:10] <adhi> how to play mp3 in kubuntu
[21:10] <joe__> not open that i can see lol should i paste the screen ?
[21:11] <crimsun> jack333: lsb_release -a
[21:11] <intelikey> Cannoli i like;    ls -Ash --color=auto `find ./ -iname asd`      if you want to view it's contents
[21:11] <sigma_123> !mp3 adhi
[21:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mp3 adhi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:11] <intelikey> and if you are savey   that answers two questions   ^  :)
[21:11] <sigma_123> adhi: !mp3
[21:11] <jack333> okay weird, i definitely am running 7.10, but adept package manager is saying there is a version upgrade available and it starts downloading 7.10 gutsy packages
[21:12] <adhi> how to play !mp3 in kubuntu
[21:12] <sigma_123> ok that didnt work:)
[21:12] <BluesKaj> !upgradebug
[21:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about upgradebug - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:12] <Dragnslcr> !mp3 | adhi
[21:12] <intelikey> !mp3 | adhi
[21:12] <ubotu> adhi: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[21:12] <intelikey> Dragnslcr heh.
[21:12] <Dragnslcr> I win!
[21:12]  * intelikey conceeds
[21:12] <vbgunz> anybody know what can cause multimedia applications to act up? e.g., Amarok and Kaffeine do not want to play anything, they freeze instead...
[21:13] <alexbobp> intelikey: thanks, but that didn't work, because somehow the target system forgot it
[21:13] <alexbobp> 's list of packages
[21:13] <crimsun> vbgunz: well, does audio work at all?
[21:13] <BluesKaj> jack333, there's an adept notifier/upgrade bug...anyone ?
[21:13] <crimsun> vbgunz: e.g., `aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav`
[21:13] <sigma_123> codecs . also da sound system
[21:13] <flaccid> intelikey: yeah i'll give it a bit of a test later y0
[21:13] <BluesKaj> !adeptbug
[21:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adeptbug - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:14] <jpatrick> sigma_123: you still interested in docs?
[21:14] <intelikey> alexbobp ummm copy your /var/lib/apt*   over ?
[21:14] <vbgunz> crimsun: no, nothing coming on, command line look frozen too :(
[21:14] <OuZo> is there a kommander script downloader?
[21:14] <alexbobp> anyway, I tried installing ndiswrapper by downloading http://linuxappfinder.com/package/ndiswrapper, and then the target system said that ndiswrapper_utilsblabla depends on ndiswrapper_utils
[21:14] <alexbobp> intelikey: I'll try that.
[21:14] <crimsun> vbgunz: ok, pastebin `dmesg|tail`
[21:15] <alexbobp> intelikey: will that cause problems if this system has things installed that the target doesn't?
[21:15] <awarring> After I installed Kubuntu, I found that my sound card isn't supported in linux (stupid creative). So i turned on my onboard sound, which is RealTek ALC850 on an NForce4 board. Sound doesn't work. In KInfoCenter, I get Card config: ---no soundcards---, as well as a bunch of NOT ENABLED INCONFIG messages. Anyone have any Idea how I enable my soundcard?
[21:16] <vbgunz> crimsun: http://pastey.net/79619
[21:16] <awarring> I can put into pastebin my lspci and lshw if that would help
[21:16] <crimsun> awarring: download http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh and run it via bash.
[21:17] <BluesKaj> awarring, to find your soundcard : cat /proc/asound/cards
[21:17] <intelikey> alexbobp shouldn't   apt is what keeps track of what is installed   it keeps track of what can be installed.   dpkg is what keeps up with installed stuff
[21:18] <crimsun> vbgunz: please download http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh and run it via bash.
[21:18] <trappist> awarring: if your other card is an x-fi, and if you don't mind going 64bit, there's a beta driver from creative
[21:19] <awarring> crimsun: doing so now
[21:19] <joe__> hey bluesKaj ??
[21:19] <awarring> trappist: I dont really want to redo my linux install :(
[21:19] <BluesKaj> awarring, choosing your default card : sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard
[21:20] <awarring> BluesKaj: checking
[21:20] <awarring> BluesKaj: it says --- no soundcards ---
[21:20] <BluesKaj> "name of soundcard " ..the quotes are required
[21:20] <trappist> awarring: asoundconf list to get a list of names
[21:21] <BluesKaj> joe__, ??
[21:21] <vbgunz> crimsun: give me some time, I will get back to you asap
[21:21] <alexbobp> intelikey: I replaced the apt directory.  "apt-get install ndisgtk" still gives "can't find package"
[21:22] <crimsun> err, please don't use sudo asoundconf
[21:22] <joe__> yes  must i choose y or i   or  n or o    or d   or z ?
[21:22] <intelikey> !info ndisgtk
[21:22] <ubotu> ndisgtk: graphical frontend for ndiswrapper (installation of Windows WiFi drivers). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.2-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 18 kB, installed size 172 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[21:22] <awarring> trappist: doesnt' give me any names...maybe I didn't enable it right...
[21:22] <alexbobp> intelikey: ah, I'll try enabling the universe repo
[21:23] <awarring> trappist: although before, in kinfocenter, it listed nothing, and then when i enabled my onboard sound it listed the NO CONFIG stuff
[21:23] <trappist> awarring: it may well be a driver issue.  you can get drivers from realtek: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=23&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
[21:23] <intelikey> alexbobp may need apt-get update   too.   i forget.   and yes i know that will error because of no network   but stilll
[21:23] <crimsun> (`sudo asoundconf` semantically gives you /root/.asoundrc and /root/.asoundrc.asoundconf, which is most definitely different from a non-privileged user's ~awarring/.asoundrc and ~awarring/.asoundrc.asoundconf)
[21:23] <trappist> awarring: though I dunno, that says it's just the ac97 codecs
[21:24] <BluesKaj> no soundcards  usually means , no drivers  :(
[21:24] <padey> can someone please help me install flash player in konqueror, don't really want to install firefox because of the speed :/
[21:24] <intelikey> offtopic chat is not alloud in #kubuntu-offtopic   if it's offtopic on irc.freenode.net    heh.   oh well.
[21:24] <awarring> crimsun: i did it as both my user and sudo
[21:24] <crimsun> awarring: what's the URL that the script generated?
[21:25] <intelikey> !flash | padey
[21:25] <ubotu> padey: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[21:25] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[21:26] <padey> thanks ubotu :)
[21:26] <awarring> crimsun: i'm having an problem getting the script ot run
[21:26] <intelikey> !thanks | padey
[21:26] <ubotu> padey: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[21:27] <crimsun> awarring: did you download it to your Desktop?
[21:27] <crimsun> by "download" I mean "save onto"
[21:27] <awarring> yes, is that an awful mistake?
[21:27] <crimsun> no, you should save it onto ~/Desktop
[21:27] <awarring> i did
[21:27] <crimsun> after you've saved it, open a Konsole and type: bash ~/Desktop/alsa-info.sh
[21:28] <Xplicit> how do i host a network using networkmanager
[21:28] <awarring> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/833000
[21:29] <awarring> crimsun: sweet script btw!
[21:30] <crimsun> (not mine solely)
[21:30] <adhi> install flash player to my konqueror
[21:30] <crimsun> sec, I need to check the source
[21:30] <awarring> k
[21:30] <awarring> i didn't run it as sudo btw, should i?
[21:30] <crimsun> no
[21:30] <flaccid> Xplicit: host what kind of network?
[21:31] <adhi> how to install flash player to my konqueror
[21:31] <awarring> k, didn't think so, since it does network interaction :o
[21:31] <BluesKaj> crimsun, whynot sudo ?
[21:32] <Xplicit> flaccid: i want to host a wireless network for a wii to connect to
[21:33] <crimsun> BluesKaj: for which command?  (I've already explained why one shouldn't use `sudo asoundconf` above.)
[21:33] <flaccid> Xplicit: goto manual configuration from knetworkmanager or edit /etc/network/interfaces  . learn networking in google and ##networking
[21:33] <BluesKaj> crimsun, I was informed that choosing the default soundcard required permission
[21:34] <awarring> BluesKaj: DOn't run list as sudo
[21:34] <awarring> i need to list to get a name before i can choose i suppose?
[21:34] <crimsun> BluesKaj: not unless the user is actually logged in as root.
[21:34] <BluesKaj> ls , no I guess not
[21:34] <holyyguyver> How do I compile a program from source?
[21:34] <crimsun> sudo asoundconf set-default-card != asoundconf set-default-card
[21:35] <sourcemaker> Please help... I can't sove my grub problem
[21:35] <Xplicit> flaccid: is there no easy gui way to do it?ive been trying manual stuff but i end up loosing net conection and then Networkmanager doesnt work
[21:35] <sourcemaker> I habe 3 dics (sda1/sdb1/sdc1) and I habe installed kubuntu from the live cd to sda1
[21:35] <crimsun> awarring: you likely have a resource conflict.  Please pastebin `cat /proc/interrupts`
[21:35] <awarring> crimsun: on it
[21:35] <holyyguyver> !compile
[21:35] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[21:35] <sourcemaker> now... nothing is booting... Grub Loading... Error 17
[21:35] <crimsun> awarring: in any case, there is no Free driver for your X-Fi model
[21:35] <crimsun> awarring: I would remove it, physically, in an attempt to use the onboard.
[21:36] <crimsun> (alternately, you're welcome to try OSS 4.0 with PulseAudio)
[21:36] <awarring> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/833009
[21:36] <holyyguyver> !Thank you
[21:36] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[21:36] <flaccid> Xplicit: no there is no easy gui way to do it, you need networking knowledge
[21:36] <sourcemaker> anggr... grub not working... fresh gusty install !
[21:37] <flaccid> wireless complicates things as well as it has the encryption layer
[21:37] <crimsun> awarring: right, neither driver was able to claim resources
[21:37] <sigma> why can i not make a multisession dvd with a lg dvd writer using k3b?
[21:37] <BluesKaj> awarring, you could disable the pci card in the BIOS-peripherals and enable the onboard
[21:37] <crimsun> awarring: any PCI devices you can disable in bios?  parallel port?
[21:37] <sourcemaker> intelikey: grub not working... fresh kubuntu install... what's wrong....?
[21:38] <awarring> I can just yank the card out...should i disable anything other than the x-fi card?
[21:39] <crimsun> awarring: say, the parallel port if you're not using a parallel printer.  The onboard modem.  etc.
[21:40] <awarring> ok, i'll see you guys on the flip side!
[21:41] <hdevalence> My sound isn't working
[21:42] <flaccid> !sound | hdevalence
[21:42] <ubotu> hdevalence: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[21:42] <hdevalence> atrs ruins teh sound
[21:42] <hdevalence> *arts
[21:43] <LimCore> good job providing 100% unusable applications like amule
[21:43] <Xplicit> flaccid: does NetworkManager mess with manual configurations or can i leave it runing? and is it messed upo by changed to .../interfaces
[21:45] <TuxMan> just thought I'd drop by and sit in the middle of the information superhighway while KDE4 compiled.
[21:45] <Xplicit> LimCore: thanks we try
[21:46] <paperfunk> hey
[21:46] <TuxMan> ah, the splendor of the superhigh.. *SMASH*
[21:46] <TuxMan> Information car hit me.
[21:46] <crimsun> get off my lawn.
[21:47] <jussi01> paperfunk: can we help?
[21:47] <paperfunk> it's pete_
[21:47] <ses59> i was trying to install google earth on gutsy but it get error code x11 but there are so many x11 files i was not sure what to load
[21:47] <paperfunk> im just lurking
[21:47] <alexbobp> how can I get a list of the ports my computer is listening on and what programs are listening on them?
[21:47] <Schuenemann> can anyone tell me how can I submit translation errors?
[21:47] <TuxMan> !ports
[21:47] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up port-forwarding (for games, torrents, webservers) see http://portforward.com - also see !firewall
[21:48] <Schuenemann> LimCore, well, I use amule all the time. Have you got a better ed2k client?
[21:48] <alexbobp> TuxMan: portforwarding is not my problem, my problem is "Starting DNS forwarder and DHCP server: dnsmasqdnsmasq: failed to create listening socket: Address already in use"
[21:48] <ses59> i think that the video card might be to old but not sure
[21:48] <jussi01> !firewall
[21:48] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[21:49] <TuxMan> alexbobp:forwarder.. sounds like a forwarding problem to me
[21:49] <sigma> oh so there is a kde firewall app
[21:49] <jussi01> alexbobp: guarddog...
[21:49] <TuxMan> ah, dont listen to me. I'm Noobish.  :-P
[21:49] <alexbobp> does guarddog do internet connection sharing?  that's my current goal.
[21:50] <TuxMan> hm, connection sharing? I do mesh =P
[21:50] <jussi01> alexbobp: i think so, but not certain.
[21:50] <TuxMan> Don't remember how I set it up though.
[21:50] <dm> Hello. I have a usb webcam 0c45:602c which is supported by the ubuntu included gspca driver. When plugging it in the driver is loaded (say dmesg and lsmod) and /dev/video0 is created. But I get error messages when trying to use it: xawtv says "X Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode", camorama "Could not connect to /dev/video0". It's an ATI video card (if that matters). Any idea?
[21:52] <TuxMan> Idk, try Digikam
[21:52] <TuxMan> dm: sudo apt-get install digikam
[21:53] <johey> dm: ATi driver does not support xv (hardware video scaling) if I remember correctly.
[21:53] <trappist> alexbobp: sharing your internet connection is pretty easy: http://linuxkungfu.org/files/scripts/ics
[21:53] <TuxMan> Ow another Information Supercar hit me
[21:54] <TuxMan> OMG it says M$ Windows Vista!
[21:54] <TuxMan> lol no surprise there =P
[21:54] <TuxMan> M$=reckless drivers
[21:55] <TuxMan> Can't wait to get KDE4 up and runnin
[21:55] <intelikey> sourcemaker sorry. was busy.   what error does grub puke out ?
[21:55] <TuxMan> ew puke
[21:55] <BluesKaj> LimCore, having probs with amule connecting to servers ?
[21:55] <intelikey> sick pinguin TuxMan
[21:55] <paperfunk> will it be easy to update to kde4?
[21:56] <jussi01> !overshare | TuxMan
[21:56] <ubotu> TuxMan: Um thanks... We *really* did not need to know that...
[21:56] <intelikey> yes it just wont be easy to get everything working paperfunk
[21:56] <intelikey> :)
[21:57] <paperfunk> heh, i see
[21:57] <sourcemaker> intelikey: Can you help for my grub problem? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49631/
[21:57] <intelikey> sourcemaker maybe.  looking
[21:58] <TuxMan> Do not defy me, mortal!
[21:58] <sourcemaker> intelikey: this would be amazing... I have spent a lot of time... without success...
[21:59] <jussi01> TuxMan: please...
[21:59] <TuxMan> swwy
[21:59] <BluesKaj> LimCore, copy this into serveradd name box on the ed2k tab :85.17.52.92 , port box :5000, click add then connect
[21:59] <intelikey> sourcemaker one more thing i need   can you pastebin the output of   cat /boot/grub/device*
[21:59] <sourcemaker> intelikey: there is only the device.map
[22:00] <intelikey> or   cat /<mountpoint of the installed>/boot/grub/device*    if from a live CD
[22:00] <dm> TuxMan: hmmm, digikam looks like an image management app. Are you sure it could help me getting my webcam working?
[22:00] <intelikey> sourcemaker yes i'm only expecting one file  but you might have made a copy   so i wild carded it
[22:00] <TuxMan> hm. weird. last time I checked it was a camera app
[22:00] <sourcemaker> intelikey: yes... I have checked... /mnt/boot/grub/ there is only a device.map+
[22:01] <TuxMan> weird, yeah. somehow Digikam is now an image manager.
[22:01] <intelikey> sourcemaker can you pastebin it for me ?
[22:01] <jussi01> !webcam | dm have you looked at?
[22:01] <ubotu> dm have you looked at?: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[22:02] <sourcemaker> intelikey: it is all in one: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49631/
[22:02] <hdevalence> this is weird. i can hear sunds like login, warning, etc, but can't hear music from amarok
[22:02] <intelikey> oh are you saying line 16 through 18 is that file ?
[22:02] <intelikey> sourcemaker ^ ?
[22:03]  * jussi01 goes to bed, night all.
[22:03] <sigma> how do i share my internet connection using guarddog?
[22:03] <BluesKaj> nite jussi01
[22:04] <sourcemaker> intelikey: the first is the output of the grub install... 2. the device.map... 3. fdisk -l /dev/sda 4... menu.lst
[22:04] <TuxMan> !guarddog
[22:04] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[22:04] <sigma> thanks
[22:04] <alexbobp> trappist: that script doesn't seem to have worked.  When I connect the computers, the other one can ssh to this computer, but it can't connect to the internet.
[22:04] <alexbobp> Any way to make all of kubuntu's apps use a socks proxy?
[22:04] <intelikey> sourcemaker yes.  and is that from the installed system ?  or did you fdisk it from a live cd ?
[22:04] <TuxMan> SOCKS
[22:04] <TuxMan> !socks
[22:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about socks - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:05] <TuxMan> stupid bot
[22:05] <BluesKaj> !proxy
[22:05] <ubotu> Many Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as !TOR due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[22:05] <sourcemaker> intelikey: Just the device.map http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49633/
[22:05] <TuxMan> that was... useless.
[22:05] <intelikey> sourcemaker yes.  and is that from the installed system ?  or did you fdisk it from a live cd ?
[22:05] <thedjatclubrock> Is the kubuntu GUI diffrent than ubuntu
[22:05] <TuxMan> yes, It is KDE3.?
[22:06] <BluesKaj> !KDE
[22:06] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[22:06] <sourcemaker> intelikey: it's the fdist from the installed system
[22:06] <intelikey> sourcemaker i'm just trying to gather all pertanant information so please be patient.
[22:06] <intelikey> ok sourcemaker is that an sata hd ?
[22:06] <brush01uk> Greetings Everyone
[22:07] <sourcemaker> intelikey: yes... sata
[22:07] <intelikey> or ide   pata  scsi  ???
[22:07] <intelikey> k
[22:07] <intelikey> give me a sec.
[22:07] <sourcemaker> intelikey: is was working... since the last installation
[22:08] <sourcemaker> intelikey: after installing the kubuntu to sda1.... the bootloading was not working
[22:09] <sourcemaker> intelikey: on sdb1.... I have feisty... on sdc1... I have gusty... current version... ... but I have comment out sdb1 and sdc1 from menu.lst... so that it should be easier to solve the problem
[22:10] <intelikey> sourcemaker you are in the system on sda1 atm ?
[22:10] <intelikey> chrooted in or something ?
[22:11] <sourcemaker> intelikey: no
[22:11] <sourcemaker> intelikey: just using the live-cd
[22:12] <intelikey> ok  try editing the  device.map file and changing the  sda to hda   and test it.
[22:12] <sourcemaker> intelikey: it is always sda... I am using kubuntu since 3 years...
[22:12] <sourcemaker> intelikey: I am not using hda
[22:12] <intelikey> ok.   let me look some more.
[22:13] <intelikey> i'm not seeing anything that should error out.
[22:13] <sourcemaker> intelikey: I am too....
[22:13] <sourcemaker> intelikey: is there a debug output possible...?
[22:15] <sourcemaker> intelikey: I have comment out sdb1 and sdc1 and I will try again
[22:16] <intelikey> sourcemaker maybe.     try this   mount /dev/null /mountpoint/proc -t proc && chroot /mountpoint/ grub-install /dev/sda     see what that yelds   [mountpoint] means the place where sda1 is mounted.
[22:17] <adhi> update kernel
[22:17] <adhi> how to update kernel
[22:17] <intelikey> apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:17] <intelikey> or roll-your-own ?
[22:18] <sigma> ok ive enabled everything in guarddog (yes not the cleverest thing to do i know) but it still refuses to share my internet connection, is there anything i must setup on the client pc?
[22:19] <intelikey> yes
[22:19] <intelikey> in linux you need to enable ipv4 forwarding   and on the client you have to point at the linux server as gateway to internet
[22:20] <intelikey> i don't do windows.
[22:20] <sigma> yeah im only using linux, kubuntu on both machines
[22:20] <intelikey> back in a few.   if sourcemaker needs more help    i'll be back in about 20minutes
[22:20] <sigma> i set the default gateway as 169.254.6.237
[22:21] <sigma> on the client
[22:21] <sigma> (thats the local ip of my server)
[22:21] <sigma> how do i enable ipv4 forwarding?
[22:21] <sigma> !ipv4
[22:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipv4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:26] <hdevalence> "Impossible to start aRts with realtime priority because artswrapper is missing or disabled"
[22:27] <LimCore> BluesKaj: I added that to
[22:27] <LimCore> Servers tab of ML Donkey
[22:27] <LimCore> I click Add Server and... nothing!!!!
[22:27] <LimCore> is kubuntu full of unusable software?
[22:28] <TuxMan> mebbe.
[22:28] <paperfunk> has anyone eever played wow on ubuntu?
[22:28] <TuxMan> no...................................
[22:28] <TuxMan> I don't play WoW.
[22:28] <TuxMan> RuneScape ftw
[22:29] <paperfunk> i think wine will make it very slow
[22:29] <hdevalence> paperfunk: I myself remain clean, but I've heard it's possible
[22:30] <paperfunk> heheh
[22:32] <Xplicit> i have a wired conection managed by NetworkManager
[22:32] <TuxMan> M$ \/\/ind0\/\/s = crap
[22:33] <dm> jussi01: Yes, I've read all this. The camera is listed there as supported by the gspca driver loaded by the ubuntu kernel. Any idea what could be wrong here?
[22:33] <Xplicit> i have a wired conection managed by NetworkManager, and a wireless not managed by them, im using firestarter to bridge the 2  but my wii wont connect through it, is my stup wrong or my wii?
[22:33] <alexbobp> Xplicit: NetworkManager just starts the connections and then watches them, it doesn't really "manage" them
[22:34] <Xplicit> well it cant pickup any device ive manually configured
[22:35] <flaccid> i think you need to learn networking
[22:35] <TuxMan> eeee \/\/ii is awesome
[22:35] <Xplicit> :( but i dont wanna learn netowrking or iptables i jsut wanna play
[22:36]  * Xplicit cries
[22:40] <flaccid> i would suggest learning static and dynamic (dhcp) configuration of interfaces, Xplicit
[22:43] <sigma_> ok i enabled ipv4 forwarding, set the default gateway on my client machine to that of the server but the internet sharing is still not working, why?
[22:44] <sigma_> i also used guarddog to enable everything possible with regards to the firewall
[22:45] <sigma_> anyone?
[22:46] <dm> Hello. I have a usb webcam 0c45:602c which is supported by the ubuntu included gspca driver. When plugging it in the driver is loaded (say dmesg and lsmod) and /dev/video0 is created. But I get error messages when trying to use it: xawtv says "X Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode", camorama "Could not connect to /dev/video0". It's an ATI video card (if that matters). Any idea?
[22:47] <intelikey> back
[22:51] <TuxMan> dm: you keep saying that, administrator of the Department of Redundancy Departments
[22:53] <dm> TuxMan: Sounds a bit like Monthy Python. Am I right?
[23:01] <TuxMan> ... w00t Monty Python!
[23:01] <TuxMan>  So, logically, if she ways the same as a duck, she's made of wood. And therefore, A witch!
[23:01] <TuxMan> weighs*
[23:02] <intelikey> ways and means commity
[23:04] <paperfunk> is compiz fusion worth trying?
[23:04] <intelikey> sure,  it's just not worth keeping
[23:04] <intelikey> :)
[23:04] <paperfunk> haha, ok
[23:04] <intelikey> but do try it....
[23:05] <TuxMan> what???!? I've been using CompFus since I started using Linux!
[23:05] <TuxMan> Its awesome!
[23:05] <paperfunk> can i install it with apt get?
[23:05] <TuxMan> yes
[23:06] <TuxMan> paperfunk: sudo apt-get install compiz compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager emerald
[23:06] <TuxMan> paperfunk: sudo apt-get install compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[23:07]  * intelikey posts the standard disclaimer  "this mans comments are not necessary"
[23:07] <TuxMan> and some others, search "compiz" on adept
[23:07] <paperfunk> hm
[23:09] <TuxMan> is it true that compiling QT4 can take days?
[23:09] <SSJ_GZ> TuxMan: Depends on your hardware.
[23:09] <jpatrick> I recommend just getting the dev
[23:09] <jpatrick> deb*
[23:10]  * intelikey can make apt-getting dash take days...
[23:10] <fdoving> it won't take days on fairly recent hardware.
[23:10] <paperfunk> what is automatix?
[23:10] <TuxMan> with a 2.4 GHz processor and 512MB of RAM?
[23:10] <intelikey> !automatix
[23:10] <ubotu> automatix is not recommended, supported or needed. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[23:10] <paperfunk> thats what i thought
[23:11] <intelikey> sounds like something i would use doesn't it...
[23:11] <fdoving> TuxMan: not very long, an hour or two maybe, or less, not days.
[23:12] <TuxMan> Okey Dokey, thanks for the confirmation  (H)
[23:12] <TuxMan> I mean
[23:12] <TuxMan>  (H)
[23:13] <intelikey> pronounced   ache
[23:13] <TuxMan> mm dinna time.
[23:15] <paperfunk> so how do i hax0r gibsons with ubuntu?
[23:16] <paperfunk> i heard you could
[23:16] <hagabaka> gibsons?
[23:16] <paperfunk> ya
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[23:16] <paperfunk> i gotta get a sweet hack, like one of those gibsons
[23:17] <intelikey> gibson guitar ?  mel gibson ?   can you narrow that down for us
[23:17] <paperfunk> its on the movie hackers
[23:17] <paperfunk> hah
[23:17] <paperfunk> but i might hack mel gibson too
[23:17] <paperfunk> using a backdoor trojan
[23:18] <intelikey> well i havent see that movie so i'm ignorant to what you are talking about
[23:18] <paperfunk> yeah, you're missing out
[23:18] <intelikey> i doubt it.
[23:18] <paperfunk> it has angelina jolie in it, mmmm
[23:19] <ardchoille> !ot
[23:19] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[23:19] <intelikey> who's that ?
[23:19] <numpy> hey all
[23:19] <intelikey> numpy
[23:20] <numpy> so how is everyone?
[23:20] <paperfunk> spiffy
[23:20] <paperfunk> yourself?
[23:21] <intelikey> fine as frog hair split four ways... and you ?
[23:21] <numpy> wonderful..
[23:21] <numpy> lol
[23:23] <DreadKnight> i am depressed
[23:23] <DreadKnight> >_<
[23:23] <numpy> no bueno
[23:24] <intelikey> i guess that sourcemaker didn't need any more help...   well i'm about to make last rounds.  so laterZ  @ *
[23:24] <numpy> later
[23:24] <Schuenemann> @now bahia
[23:24] <ubotu> Current time in America/Bahia: December 26 2007, 20:24:14 - Next meeting: Edubuntu meeting in 6 days
[23:24] <intelikey> congradulations   at least you are something  :)
[23:24] <DreadKnight> O_o
[23:25] <numpy> woot
[23:25] <intelikey> anyway cheerio  tata and all that rah
[23:26] <adhi> how to mount drive ntfs
[23:26] <adhi> how to mount drive ntfs
[23:27] <numpy> adhi: know the dev name?
[23:27] <numpy> /dev/sdx or /dev/hdx .. so on
[23:28] <adhi> sda1
[23:29] <numpy> adhi: make a directory (like /home/*username*/drive and type #sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /home/*username*/drive
[23:30] <adhi> ok.. i try
[23:35] <adhi> error messege Could not enter folder /home/adhi/drive
[23:35] <Tonren> KDE 4 is coming out in 15 days... how will that affect Kubuntu?  Will KDE 4 be in the repos within a few weeks after that?
[23:36] <adhi> error messege Could not enter folder /home/adhi/drive what it is. after i mount drive ntfs sda1
[23:37] <Artimus> Tonren: KDE4 will be in Hardy, the next release
[23:38] <BluesKaj> Artimus, is that an official anouncement , cuz i haven't heard that
[23:38] <numpy> adhi: did you "make" the directory /home/adhi/drive ?
[23:39] <adhi> yez
[23:39] <Tonren> Artimus: So, it won't be available for Ubuntu (unless it's manually installed per-user) until April '08?
[23:39] <numpy> did you make it using sudo ? or your normal user?
[23:39] <Artimus> BluesKaj: I've got nothing to do with the Kubuntu project.  Not sure where anything "official" is, it's more common knowledge, mailing list, etc
[23:39] <adhi> sudo
[23:40] <Artimus> Tonren: Assuming that's when the next release is (I really have no idea when Hardy comes out), yes
[23:40] <numpy> adhi: ..that means your "normal" user does not have permission to view it
[23:40] <Tonren> Artimus: Canonical tends to make a new release every 6 months.  Since the most recent was 7.10, the next is likely 8.04.
[23:40] <Artimus> 8.04, yeah
[23:40] <Tonren> Artimus: Where can I look at a summary of some changes that will be made between KDE currenta and KDE4?
[23:41] <Artimus> Tonren: Good question...
[23:41] <Artimus> I don't think I've ever seen a complete list...  I'm not sure if everything is really going to be ready.
[23:41] <adhi> ? Maybe.. But I don't know..
[23:41] <numpy> adhi: so make a new one, or change the permissions on the existing one to allow others to view/list/write to it..
[23:41] <adhi> oke
[23:42] <Tonren> Artimus: Hmm... what kinds of things are they working on?  I mean, are they overhauling the GUI?  Are they changing Qt versions?  Are they changing printer support?  You know--what are some of the big targets?
[23:42] <Artimus> There's the new Oxygen icons, a new audio/video system, little desktop widgets that replace SuperKaramba, a nice fun new KMenu (Vista menu done right, basically), updated apps
[23:42] <Tonren> Cool.
[23:42] <Artimus> Tonren: Well yeah, KDE4 uses QT4 :P
[23:42] <BluesKaj> Artimus, AFAIK the default desktop for Hardy's release is still KDE3
[23:42] <alexbobp> I added a wireless driver with ndiswrapper.  ndisgtk agrees that the driver is installed and hardware is present.  ifconfig and the kubuntu network configurator don't think I have wireless hardware, even though ifconfig -a shows a wlan0.  Is there a step I'm missing?
[23:42] <Artimus> BluesKaj: That's still a mess, not sure about the whole LTS thing
[23:42] <Alethes> there's also built in compositing
[23:42] <Alethes> for 3D desktop stuff
[23:42] <Tonren> Artimus: It's a shame that KDE4 came out right after the latest Ubuntu release--that means us Ubuntards have to wait almost five or six months after KDE4 comes out to actually use it "officially".
[23:43] <Artimus> BluesKaj: Last time I read, they were throwing around the idea of 2 CD's.  Not sure what they'll actually do.
[23:43] <Artimus> One way or another, I will have KDE4
[23:43] <Alethes> I'm gonna wait til 4.1 heh
[23:43] <Alethes> 4.0 is probably gonna be disappointing compared to the hype
[23:44] <Artimus> I have no problem reporting bugs.  If something annoys me enough, I'll fix it myself.  Or at least report it
[23:44] <BluesKaj> Artimus, well, let's hope Hardy has a bit more to offer us 64bit users
[23:44] <Tonren> BluesKaj: Flash 9 still doesn't work in Linux 64, does it?
[23:44] <numpy> its like anything.. it needs to be used, abused, and worn in, before its useful.. hell KDe3 just reached "decent" lol
[23:44] <Artimus> BluesKaj: Flash is going to suck no matter what, I'm sorry...  As will 64-bit codecs
[23:44] <Artimus> Tonren: It runs as 32-bit in a wrapper...  Sound becomes an issue
[23:45] <Tonren> Artimus: Big hassle.
[23:45] <Artimus> Pretty much
[23:45] <Tonren> Artimus: For things like web browsing, I really need my OS to "just work".
[23:45] <Artimus> Until flash is 64-bit, flash is going to suck under AMD64...
[23:45] <Artimus> Not a whole heck of a lot Ubuntu can do, or any of the distros
[23:45] <Artimus> This is why closed source is bad
[23:45] <BluesKaj> Tonren, if yer using FF , no ...seems to work ok in konq , altho I may have the older version
[23:46] <Tonren> BluesKaj: I use FireFox.  I keep trying to switch to Konqueror or Opera, but I can't get used to them.
[23:46] <BluesKaj> <---has the ia32-libs installed so that could be the reason
[23:46] <paperfunk> konquerer sucks
[23:46] <Tonren> Artimus: Do XP/Vista and OS X have Flash because Macromedia actively helped MS and Apple?
[23:46] <paperfunk> imho :P
[23:47] <Tonren> Artimus: That's been confusing me, really.  Why do Windows and Mac have Flash under AMD64 and Linux just doesn't?
[23:47] <Artimus> Because Macromedia thought it was worth their time and money?
[23:47] <Artimus> I've never actually tried flash under a 64-bit version of Windows.
[23:47] <BluesKaj> konq is a darn good browser ... it's the crappy websites that don't do HTML right that suck
[23:47] <Artimus> Also, is there even a 64-bit OSX?
[23:47] <Artimus> (I really don't know)
[23:48] <Artimus> Tonren: Try this for KDE4 features...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE4
[23:48] <Tonren> Artimus: I assumed, but now that you mention it, it may not exist.  But, what I'm asking is, did Macromedia help Microsoft with AMD64 Flash 9?  Is that why Windows has it and Linux doesn't?
[23:48] <unix_infidel> Artimus: OS X is based off of freebsd.
[23:48] <unix_infidel> erm, BSD*
[23:48] <Artimus> Tonren: Define "help".  If by help you mean "Macromedia wrote the thing themselves", then yes
[23:49] <Tonren> Artimus: Yeah, that's what I meant.
[23:49] <unix_infidel> so it would be quite easy to hack a 64-Bit Implementation.  That being said, youd need 4GB + to make it work while.
[23:49] <unix_infidel> worthwhile*
[23:49] <Tonren> Artimus: It's really too bad that Linux has such generally poor 3rd-party support.
[23:49] <Artimus> unix_infidel: There very well may be a 64-bit Darwin.  Does Apple actually *ship* one?
[23:49] <unix_infidel> Artimus: yupp.
[23:50] <Tonren> Whoa... this Wikipedia article says that they're porting KDE4 to WINDOWS?  HUH?
[23:50] <unix_infidel> Not on their consumer line though.
[23:50] <Artimus> Tonren: Blame the companies...  Things change quickly in the linux world, closed source can leave you in the dust.
[23:50] <Artimus> unix_infidel: The server or something else?
[23:50] <unix_infidel> Artimus: X Serve.
[23:50] <Artimus> Open source yo ur stuff and someone will probably eventually fix the bugs...
[23:50] <unix_infidel> Artimus: only if it's useful.
[23:50] <Artimus> If it's not useful, it's not going to get far closed source either
[23:51] <Tonren> Artimus: Yeah, but as long as closed source has such a stranglehold on the business world, open source will be stuck in their dust!  It's a difficult stalemate.
[23:52] <Artimus> Tonren: That's when you fork stuff or reverse engineer it.  Look at Samba.  There's some open source flash plugins.  Unless Adobe open sources flash, they'll always be playing catchup
[23:52] <Artimus> Still, works for most people with Samba...  Flash is no different
[23:52] <Artimus> It's not like Adobe is likely to sabotage open source flash plugins like Microsoft does Samba
[23:52] <Tonren> Wow... it looks like KDE4 is going to be a big, awesome change.
[23:52] <Artimus> Tonren: Expect breakage :P
[23:53] <Tonren> Artimus: Of course!  It's open source, after all.
[23:53] <SSJ_GZ> Big, awesome breakage ;)
[23:53] <Artimus> Tonren: I expect breakage in closed source stuff as well...  Standard of quality in the business world is non-existant without support contracts...
[23:53] <Artimus> The only difference is in one case I have the option to take matters into my own hands.
[23:53]  * BluesKaj wonders if it will run on wifeys old xp pc 
[23:54] <SSJ_GZ> BluesKaj: Specs?
[23:54] <Artimus> KDE4?
[23:54] <Artimus> KDE4 uses less memory than KDE3, supposidly
[23:54] <BluesKaj> 366mhz. 256Ram
[23:54] <SSJ_GZ> Artimus: No, that was found to be false.  It actually uses a lot more, atm
[23:54] <SSJ_GZ> BluesKaj: Ouch :)
[23:54] <BluesKaj> hehe
[23:54] <BluesKaj> barely runs xp
[23:55] <SSJ_GZ> BluesKaj: RAM is fine if you're not going to multitask too much.
[23:55] <Artimus> SSJ_GZ: It's actually just QT4 that does, right?  As in, same app, QT4 vs 3
[23:55] <fdoving> currently all versions are compiled with debugfull, taht bites.
[23:55] <Artimus> SSJ_GZ: Obviously, they're not the same apps anymore...
[23:55] <paperfunk> kde3 bogs down my quadcore with a geforce8800
[23:55] <SSJ_GZ> Artimus: There's probably inefficiencies all over the stack :)
[23:55] <BluesKaj> SSJ_GZ, wifey just surfs. emails and plays solitaire
[23:56] <SSJ_GZ> BluesKaj: *Probably* won't be too horrendous, then ;)
[23:56] <Artimus> BluesKaj: I've got a 333mhz box with 128mb of ram.  Xubuntu works well with Epiphany as a web browser
[23:56] <Artimus> I don't like GTK, but there's probably some light little GTK solitare app
[23:57] <BluesKaj> Artimus, no way will she switch to Linux ... too set in her ways ...I'm praying for the thing to die , so we can get her a more uptodate pc
[23:59] <BluesKaj> wifes' pc is 9yrs old ...was a real screamer on w98 when we bought it in Nov '98 :)
[23:59] <unix_infidel> if you're on a wpa encrypted network, people already associated with the AP see unencrypted packets right?
[23:59] <Tonren> Artimus: I appreciate the ability to "fix it myself" in Open Source, but practically, it's never going to happen.  I just don't have the time.  I like knowing that a closed source company's business and financing depends on its code being bug-free.