[00:42] <neztiti> guys how i can get gbox works with gusty???
[00:43] <neztiti> AndrewB: how i can get gbox works with gusty???
[00:43] <neztiti> Aranel: how i can get gbox works with gusty???
[00:44] <neztiti> Aishiko: how i can get gbox works with gusty???
[00:44] <MenZa> neztiti: stop spanning
[00:44] <MenZa> spamming*
[00:44] <MenZa> !support
[00:44] <ubotu> the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[00:44] <MenZa> This is for Hardy support.
[00:44] <MenZa> ANd discussion
[00:45] <neztiti> MenZa:  ok help me man :P
[00:48] <MenZa> I wish I could.
[00:49] <neztiti> MenZa:  ok thank u
[00:52] <MenZa> Is flashplugin-nonfree broken on Hardy, too?
[00:52] <tumbleweed__> yup
[00:53] <tumbleweed__> doesn't work at all in firefox-3.0
[00:53] <tumbleweed__> hard to get working in 2.0
[00:53] <MenZa> ah
[00:53] <MenZa> fanks
[00:53] <MenZa> :)
[00:53] <tumbleweed__> np
[01:32] <MenZa> mm
[01:56] <NeonmageK> Hello everyone
[05:04] <ganjamaniac> hardy
[05:05] <ganjamaniac> how can i update to hardon?
[05:05] <ganjamaniac> from gutsgib?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> ganjamaniac: see /topic
[06:46] <DanaG> I'm trying to post to the Hardy forum, but keep getting "not logged in or do not have permission to access this page".
[06:49]  * Hobbsee suspects you wanted #ubuntuforums
[06:50] <DanaG> That's a channel?  Cool.
[06:50] <DanaG> Thanks.
[07:04] <nenolod> openoffice.org transition is broken from gutsy -> hardy on x86
[07:04] <nenolod> (not that i care :D)
[07:05] <DanaG> And the kde4 metapackage is broken.
[07:06] <nenolod> who cares about kde :P
[07:06] <nenolod> personally i see kde being broken as a feature ;)
[07:07] <DanaG> !info kde4
[07:07] <ubotu> kde4: the K Desktop Environment version 4 official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0 (hardy), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB
[09:39] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=644378&page=2
[09:39] <DanaG> SLuggish Hardy.
[09:39] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and something cool: my 7200rpm drive definitely DOES make a difference in disk throughput.
[09:41] <DanaG> Well, it doubles the maximum, but I don't know how to measuer the average.
[09:45] <DanaG> Time to fsck 27 gigs on old drive:  273 seconds.
[09:46] <DanaG> oh wait, that's the time for 60 gigs on new drive.
[09:46] <DanaG> Time for 27 on old drive: 215 seconds.
[09:47] <boxemall> hi there i just updated from gutsy to hardy. after restart no gdm i found myself under console. x does not start. i already tried sudo su restart x but does not work. what is wrong can anyone help?
[09:48] <boxemall> i already tried db_shared/default-x-server did not work either
[09:48] <boxemall> sorry meant db_get shared/....
[09:48] <boxemall> it says command not found
[09:49] <DanaG> Look for a log in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:50] <DanaG> And the way to restart GDM is this: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:50] <DanaG> (or sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart)
[09:53] <boxemall> output on restart is: /etc/gdm/failsafeXServer: line 47: [: too many arguments Warning: Could not retrieve EDID because get-edid is not installed (1): error: this program does not know how to configure the "10 shared/default-x-server doesn't exist" X server warning: could not generate /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe for vesa driver
[09:54] <DanaG> That's odd.
[09:55] <DanaG> That "10 shared...." thing looks like something's broken.
[09:57] <boxemall> hmm i had hardy running uder virtualbox and drivers were properly installed.
[09:57] <boxemall> sorry meant gutsy
[09:57] <DanaG> Right now I'm grepping everything in /usr/ for 'default-x-server', to see if anything even refers to it.
[09:57] <DanaG> I'll do the same in /etc/.
[09:59] <DanaG> Aah, looks like debconf screwed soemthing up.
[10:01] <DanaG> I'm not quite sure what's the best way to fix it.  I usually just purge the package while forcing dependencies, and then reinstall it with aptitude.  However, that might be like taking a .... where's a good idiom? .... Oh, like using a sledgehammer to drive a nail.
[10:02] <boxemall> sounds like much work eh? so whats there to do for me now. i am not very good at cmd line,...
[10:03] <boxemall> but wait i just changed xorg.conf and put in vesa under "device" then ini 6 and whoa there it is again. gdm is back
[10:03] <DanaG> 6 is reboot, actually.
[10:03] <boxemall> i guess now i have to reinstall drivers again
[10:03] <boxemall> i know.
[10:04] <boxemall> similar liek that it was
[10:04] <boxemall> Section "Device"
[10:04] <boxemall>         Identifier      "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]"
[10:04] <boxemall>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[10:04] <boxemall>         Driver          "nvidia"
[10:04] <boxemall> EndSection
[10:04] <boxemall> changed to
[10:04] <boxemall> Section "Device"
[10:04] <boxemall>         Identifier      "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]"
[10:04] <boxemall>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[10:04] <boxemall>         Driver          "vesa"
[10:04] <boxemall> EndSection
[10:04] <boxemall> and then rebooted
[10:04] <DanaG> oh yeah, watch the pasting.
[10:04] <DanaG> !pastebin
[10:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:05] <boxemall> oh yo are right  i just gto my message from ubotu,... arghhhhh
[10:06] <DanaG> Manual NVIDIA is a pain because you also have to edit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[10:06] <DanaG> I also disabled the failsafe-X because I'd rather be dropped to a console, frankly.
[10:10] <boxemall> after reboot i had no mouse
[10:10] <boxemall> so i did sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:10] <boxemall> i just rebooted wonder if mouse is back on
[10:11] <DanaG> Oh yeah, something useful to note: with nvidia, if you have a valid EDID then you likely won't need the "modes" section.
[10:12] <boxemall> i tworks again. now i can start to reinstall drivers i hope
[10:13] <DanaG> That reference to 'default-x-server' still seemed odd to me.
[10:14] <DanaG> I see, it was failing with nvidia due to driver being missing, and then failing to start the failsafe due to the failsafe being broken.
[10:14] <DanaG> And the second part is what gave that cryptic error.
[10:15] <boxemall> never thougt that i could fix it on my own. man im starting to get used to it,... ;-)
[10:19] <DanaG> Oh yeah, if you do 'aptitude changelog xserver-xorg', there are some interesting notes in there.
[10:20] <boxemall> i just forgot command to find out which kernel is used. culd u tell it to me?
[10:20] <DanaG> uname -r
[10:20] <DanaG> or -a for more info:
[10:20] <boxemall> thnx
[10:20] <DanaG> Linux GLaDOS 2.6.24-2-generic #1 SMP Thu Dec 20 17:36:12 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:27] <boxemall> ok thnx folks thats it for now. thnx for helping out! bye,...
[10:38] <DanaG> Gaack, my damn nvidia card is blinking again!
[10:43] <jhasse> Hi there! Hardy heron doesn't boot anymore. I only see the splashscreen and the scrollbar is moving from left to right until (after a long time) i end up in busybox and it tells my that /dev/disk/by-uuid/blabla couldn't be found. Can someone help me?
[10:50] <pvandewyngaerde> jhasse:   did you edit the disk-layout in some way ?
[10:50] <jhasse> pvandewyngaerde: no, i just updated hardy.
[10:51] <pvandewyngaerde> you need to find the  UUID of your  / - filesystem  and compare it with the UUID value that is mentioned in grub
[10:54] <pvandewyngaerde> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/  < maybe this can help you
[10:54] <jhasse> pvandewyngaerde: but if this uuid wasn't correct, i wouldn't see the splash screen at all, would i?
[10:54] <pvandewyngaerde> good point
[10:55] <albert23> jhasse: the splash is in initrd, it does not need the root file system
[10:56] <jhasse> albert23: ah okay. I will check the uuid
[10:57] <jhasse> hm.. i just checked and it was correct
[10:58] <pvandewyngaerde> maybe its your mountpoints
[10:58] <pvandewyngaerde> check your fstab
[11:03] <DanaG> NVRM: Xid (0001:00): 6, PE0000 1818 42080000 0000238c 00000000 03840000
[12:54] <travkin> Who know how to fix this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/178234
[12:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178234 in ubuntu "GTK themes doesn't work." [Undecided,New]
[13:02] <Abbas> Hello
[13:02] <Abbas> can someone please tell me, how to alert users in Jabber chat rooms like this:
[13:02] <Abbas> username:message
[13:17] <travkin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/178234
[13:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178234 in ubuntu "GTK themes doesn't work." [Undecided,New]
[13:19] <Hobbsee> travkin: yes, adn?
[13:19] <travkin> Hobbsee: do you know how to fix this bug?
[13:19] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: that means you need to jump on that bug and fix it now!
[13:20] <Hobbsee> travkin: no.  and i didn't the last 5 times you came in and spammed us with it, either
[13:20] <IdleOne> see :)
[13:20] <th_> what's the ati's driver version in hardy? i see versioning has changed totally between gutsy and hardy...
[13:21] <th_> gutsy's drivers are marked as 8.xxx but hardys seem to be 7.xx .. what's the deal with that?
[13:25] <Pici> th_: From what little I have looked at it, it seems that ATI does some weird dual version numbers. The 7.xx number is the Catalyst version while the 8.xx number is the fglrx version.  I'm not sure if they both increment at the same time though.
[13:27] <th_> okay, little birds notified that ati has synced versioning with windows drivers or something like that
[13:27] <th_> .. not that it helps anything, i don't have windows anywhere :-)
[13:28] <th_> just wondering if upgrading to hardy would fix driver issues with ati..
[13:29] <Pici> bug 173663
[13:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173663 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "compiz will not launch with fglrx driver - falls back to metacity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173663
[13:30] <th_> yes... windows drivers seem to be 7.12 too
[13:30] <Pici> Probably not yet ^ if you want it to work well :/ Plus theres this nice big "AMD UNSUPPORTED HARDWARE TESTING USE ONLY" watermark in the lower right hand corner of the screen.
[13:30] <th_> oh, compiz is not an issue, it works wit xserver-xgl
[13:30] <th_> but all 3d-games have corrupted textures (with gutsy's default driver). even without xgl
[13:31] <th_> and installing 7.12 breaks the resolution
 just wondering if upgrading to hardy would fix driver issues with ati..
[13:34] <hit> my gutsy was superfine but now in hardy i have random screen lock ups
[13:35] <hit> freezes or amth
[13:35] <hit> smth*
[13:35] <Pici> smth?
[13:35] <hit> = something
[13:36] <th_> hit: well. this one is X1600 (macbook pro) mobile version... compiz for example works just fine with xserver-xgl package installed, but all games are no-go. they run fine but all textures corrupted
[13:36] <Pici> I'd hold off on Hardy if you want things to work.
[13:36] <th_> i think newer drivers should have aigxl support and such goodies, just wondering if they'd fix textures too
[13:36] <hit> havent tried any games in hardy except supertux, whitch is fine
[13:37] <th_> well, guess i'll keep gaming on nvidia machines. annoying still whatsoever
[13:42] <scizzo-> will be interesting to see what the new nvidia drivers will do
[13:43] <scizzo-> since the 8 GPU development is in the new once
[13:45] <IdleOne> got a new digital video cam and it is not auto detected. when running  tail -f /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages this is what I get after plugging in the camera http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49582/ any help would be appreciated
[13:55] <Vadi> What can I do when even ndiswrapper fails in hardy? :/
[13:57] <Hobbsee> Vadi: compile it from source, see for any difference
[13:58] <Vadi> Hobbsee: Hm.. is built-essential one .deb?
[13:58] <Pici> Vadi: It should be on the ubuntu cd, so use that as a source.  And no, its a metapackage that depends on other packages.
[13:59] <Hobbsee> !b-e
[13:59] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[13:59] <Hobbsee> its' a list of packages
[13:59] <Vadi> Ah, ok.
[13:59] <Hobbsee> well, it's a metapackage, which installs other packages
[13:59] <Hobbsee> Vadi: which card?
[13:59] <Vadi> Hobbsee: Belkin F5D7010, v 7. Realtek 8185 chipset. The vendor has linux drivers on their website even.
[14:00] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[14:00] <Vadi> I couldn't set them up though myself. So I used ndiswrapper, but support for that degrades with every version :(
[14:01] <Hobbsee> ndiswrapper is tempramental, yes
[14:01] <Vadi> Okay, I'll reboot and check it out.
[14:26] <Vadi> Okay, not all is lost. "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" got it working at the end this time.
[14:33] <Vad1> The add/remove program just crashed on me, and offered to submit a report. I said okay, but now it tells me "You are not allowed to access this problem report.". What?
[14:34] <Vad1> (and it just crashed the second time)
[14:59] <humbolto> Anybody here working on Xen for hardy?
[18:09] <alex_mayorga> Hi, anyone seeing unbootable system similar to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2007-March/015087.html on latest Hardy?
[18:10] <alex_mayorga> I get dropped to a busybox 1.1.3-5ubuntu9
[18:10] <alex_mayorga> any ideas?
[18:12] <infinitycircuit> alex_mayorga, that bug report seems to suggest that the uuid set in the /etc/fstab is out of date
[18:13] <pvandewyngaerde> i saw this some 9 hours ago too
[18:14] <alex_mayorga> it happened "out of the blue" to me
[18:14] <alex_mayorga> when I chose the 386 option in grub it happens
[18:14] <infinitycircuit> alex_mayorga, i'm actually installing hardy heron on a brand new comp so i will see if i can replicate the problem
[18:14] <alex_mayorga> I'm just fine when I pick -generic
[18:14] <alex_mayorga> sorry on the lame english
[18:15] <alex_mayorga> seems like https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/67256 croping again or something
[18:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 67256 in initramfs-tools "Failure to mount root filesystem, cause unknown" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:15] <infinitycircuit> alex_mayorga, is it because the 386 kernel switches to sda naming for pata drives?
[18:15] <alex_mayorga> plese let me know what I can I do to confirm it
[18:16] <alex_mayorga> also the -386-recovery option doesn't help
[18:17] <alex_mayorga> infinitycircuit, might be, I'm not yet at that level of OS comprehensio :(
[18:17] <infinitycircuit> alex_mayorga, well older kernels would name ide/pata hard drives as /dev/hdaX but they now use /dev/sdaX in the newer kernels
[18:17] <alex_mayorga> pvandewyngaerde, how did you fix it?
[18:20] <alex_mayorga> I have to run, please post any suggestion or whether this is a know one, BRB
[18:20] <Vad1> Which kernel does alpha 2 has?
[18:21] <Vad1> Or use rather.
[18:21] <infinitycircuit> Vad1, 2.6.24-2-generic
[18:22] <Vad1> infinitycircuit: Ah okay, thank you
[18:22] <pvandewyngaerde> alex_mayorga:  i didnt have the problem
[18:58] <alex_mayorga> infinitycircuit, so I should regenerate initframs
[18:58] <infinitycircuit> alex_mayorga, well if the generic kernel works you could stick with that
[18:59] <infinitycircuit> alex_mayorga, what is the output of ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
[19:00] <alex_mayorga> infinitycircuit, where's pastebin?
[19:00] <alex_mayorga> !pastebin
[19:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[19:02] <alex_mayorga> infinitycircuit, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49618/ the last entry is the one blammed on crash when I see the busybox promt
[19:02] <infinitycircuit> alex_mayorga, so does /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst agree with those uuid values
[19:06] <alex_mayorga> infinitycircuit, they're the same
[19:07] <alex_mayorga> somebody seeing this: nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_widget_get_toplevel()
[19:11] <alex_mayorga> infinitycircuit, I can consistently crash nautilus, when I right-click a windows patition on the desktop, click properties and then click close
[19:11] <alex_mayorga> is this related?
[19:12] <infinitycircuit> alex_mayorga, i don't know...let me try it
[19:13] <infinitycircuit> alex_mayorga, i get no error when i try that but you should still file a bug report on launchpad
[19:17] <alex_mayorga> Bug #178768
[19:17] <ubotu> Bug 178768 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/178768 is private
[19:17] <rsk> :O
[19:17] <alex_mayorga> Bug #178768
[19:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178768 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_widget_get_toplevel()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178768
[19:26] <infinitycircuit> does anyone know how to enable uswsusp in hal in hardy heron?
[19:26] <infinitycircuit> in gutsy you had to change /usr/lib/hal/scripts/linux/hal-system-power-suspend-linux to contain "/sbin/s2both" but this no longer works in hardy
[21:06] <swx_> Someone knows how to fix the gdm hang up after login? It seems that xserver wont start after login, however I am able to start it in console with startx, someone had the same issue ?
[21:34] <swx_> Is there discussions about.. technical problems in here sometimes.. hem?
[21:34] <swx_> :)
[21:35] <jussi01> yes...
[21:35] <jussi01> !ask
[21:35] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[21:35] <swx_> thks
[21:37] <swx_> Someone had problems with gdm login.. screen stay blank and no desktop appear after logon, however I am able to start the session with startx in console
[21:37] <swx_> Nvid 8600GT + ubuntu strandard 386
[21:38] <swx_> anyone knows about it ? thanks
[21:40] <swx_> of course I am under 8.04 Al2 version
[22:06] <joost_op> hi all
[22:06] <joost_op> just wanna feedback some stuff here...
[22:06] <joost_op> Been toying with the broadcom fwcutter, on both b43 bcm43xx
[22:07] <joost_op> now i know for sure the bcm43xx should work on this lappy
[22:07] <joost_op> anybody know of a procedure to make it work?
[22:07] <joost_op> also, nice to see my sound touch keys working
[22:07] <joost_op> (o;
[22:09] <joost_op> ok to be little more specific.. standard install uses b43, but dmesg|tail says it cannot assign irq=0
[22:10] <joost_op> i also wanna note that i needed to get the CD running using boot param acpi=off or else it was a dark dark world
[22:10] <crimsun> bcm43xx should be deprecated, actually.
[22:10] <crimsun> b43 is much, much better.
[22:10] <joost_op> thats what everybody says, i know
[22:10] <joost_op> but i never got it to work tho
[22:11] <crimsun> 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01)    Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 1363
[22:11] <joost_op> i'm in windows, didnt copy my lspci.. damnit
[22:11] <joost_op> but i it looks vey much the same
[22:11] <crimsun> you can use device manager to inspect the data
[22:12] <joost_op> i'm no windows hero
[22:12] <joost_op> but lemme try
[22:12] <crimsun> 02:00.0 0280: 14e4:4311 (rev 01)      Subsystem: 103c:1363  if you need -n
[22:13] <joost_op> isnt there a CMD command to see this?
[22:13] <tumbleweed__> no
[22:13] <joost_op> damn i hate this GUI
[22:13] <tumbleweed__> die now
[22:14] <joost_op> die now?
[22:14] <tumbleweed__> wrong channel
[22:14] <tumbleweed__> lol
[22:14] <joost_op> what are ya smoking?
[22:14] <joost_op> (o;
[22:15] <tumbleweed__> happened to me 4 times already today :/
[22:15] <joost_op> hahaha
[22:15] <joost_op> well i just went curious on ubuntu, to see what broadcom driver they are using..
[22:16] <joost_op> but i notice the firmware was absent to begin with
[22:16] <joost_op> why is that?
[22:16] <joost_op> legal stuff?
[22:16] <tumbleweed__> probably
[22:16] <tumbleweed__> I have a 4328
[22:17] <tumbleweed__> I have to use ndiswrapper
[22:17] <tumbleweed__> fwcutter doesn't work with it
[22:17] <joost_op> i've been using sabayon 3.4F for a time, it got my wireless working out of the box
[22:18] <tumbleweed__> ok...
[22:18] <joost_op> it uses the bcm43xx driver and firmware
[22:18] <tumbleweed__> lspci | grep -i "broadcom"
[22:18] <tumbleweed__> try that
[22:18] <joost_op> i'm in windows as we speak
[22:18] <tumbleweed__> ah
[22:18] <tumbleweed__> poor you
[22:18] <joost_op> so i figured.. getting firmware (wich i did) and rmmod b43 && modprobe bcm43xx && depmod
[22:19] <tumbleweed__> yeah
[22:19] <tumbleweed__> just use ndiswrapper
[22:19] <joost_op> switching to that driver, nm-applet isnt very nice
[22:19] <tumbleweed__> I gave up using the firmware
[22:19] <joost_op> well ndiswrapper is the easy path
[22:19] <joost_op> the goal is, getting this working
[22:19] <tumbleweed__> doesn't work with kismet though
[22:19] <joost_op> (o;
[22:19] <tumbleweed__> pity.
[22:20] <joost_op> brb, getting a beer
[22:21]  * joost_op opens a beer..cheers
[22:21] <joost_op> tumbleweed_ : ndiswrapper-common isn't installed by  default i noticed
[22:22] <tumbleweed__> yeah
[22:22] <tumbleweed__> I saw that too
[22:22] <joost_op> what options people have if all fails..
[22:22] <joost_op> get a .deb somewhere...get a windows driver
[22:23] <joost_op> it would be nice if it was pre-installed imho
[22:23] <joost_op> but then, maybe, legal stuff
[22:23] <joost_op> i'm not really used to the legal stuff
[22:23] <joost_op> hehe
[22:24] <joost_op> tumbleweed_ : ever gave sabayon 3.4f a shot?
[22:26] <tumbleweed__> newp
[22:26] <tumbleweed__> any good?
[22:26] <joost_op> well you should maybe give it a spin then, i cannot be objective onj that
[22:26] <tumbleweed__> haw
[22:27] <joost_op> as i help out on that distro
[22:27] <tumbleweed__> it builds itself from source, right?
[22:27] <joost_op> no
[22:27] <tumbleweed__> hmmm
[22:27] <joost_op> its a binary build gentoo system
[22:27] <tumbleweed__> but it's based on gentoo, right?
[22:27] <tumbleweed__> oh
[22:27] <joost_op> with several kernel tweaks
[22:27] <joost_op> insert and go, just like ubuntu
[22:28] <tumbleweed__> not for me
[22:28] <tumbleweed__> I use the alternate install disc :P
[22:28] <joost_op> but it by default supports mp3,divx,flash..etc
[22:28] <joost_op> and has compiz-fusion and such
[22:28] <tumbleweed__> I use xfce
[22:28] <joost_op> great choice
[22:29] <tumbleweed__> indeedy
[22:29] <joost_op> minimalist
[22:29] <tumbleweed__> If I were a minimalist, I'd use flux or JWM
[22:29] <joost_op> been testing kde4 lately
[22:29] <crimsun> b43-fwcutter seems to work...?
[22:29] <joost_op> omg, its so gay
[22:29] <joost_op> the cutter works allright
[22:29] <tumbleweed__> the cutter has never worked for me
[22:29] <tumbleweed__> I guess it's just my model
[22:30] <joost_op> but after installing firmware.. it cannot asign irq
[22:30] <joost_op> thats what dmesg is crying about
[22:30] <joost_op> the cutter just extracts the firmware
[22:30] <joost_op> (o;
[22:30] <crimsun> what's the SSID?
[22:30] <DanaG> I still wonder why Broadcom doesn't let people redistribute the firmware.
[22:31] <tumbleweed__> because they are evil nazi-clowns
[22:31] <joost_op> so its legal stuff DanaG?
[22:31] <DanaG> I can understand not open-sourcing it, but I see no valid reason for not allowing redistribution.
[22:31] <tumbleweed__> yeah, I think I'll give sabayon a whirl
[22:32] <tumbleweed__> as long as I can use my old /home
[22:32] <tumbleweed__> hmmm
[22:32] <tumbleweed__> professional edition?
[22:32] <joost_op> sabayon doesnt shp with xfce4
[22:32] <joost_op> no the 3.4F you want
[22:33] <joost_op> its a DVD
[22:33] <tumbleweed__> oh
[22:33] <tumbleweed__> what's different about the professional edition?
[22:33] <joost_op> its on the stable branch
[22:33] <tumbleweed__> oh
[22:33] <tumbleweed__> fail
[22:33] <joost_op> (o;
[22:34] <tumbleweed__> what about 3.5 r1?
[22:34] <joost_op> its the test release
[22:35] <tumbleweed__> any good?
[22:35] <joost_op> that one i wouldn't suggest
[22:35] <tumbleweed__> very well
[22:35] <joost_op> tested it here
[22:35] <tumbleweed__> I was on debian for a while, but etch won't install on my laptop
[22:35] <tumbleweed__> too new\
[22:36] <joost_op> too new?
[22:36] <tumbleweed__> yeah
[22:36] <tumbleweed__> my laptop was a week old when I bought it
[22:36] <joost_op> then surely dont do sabayon
[22:36] <joost_op> oooh
[22:36] <tumbleweed__> and etch is the stable version
[22:36] <joost_op> i though debian was too new
[22:36] <joost_op> LOL!
[22:36] <tumbleweed__> no, debian's all about the stability
[22:37] <joost_op> i hope you got a nvidia video inside
[22:37] <tumbleweed__> yup
[22:37] <tumbleweed__> 7150, I think
[22:37] <joost_op> ati/amd is still way behind
[22:37] <tumbleweed__> I have a dual core turion
[22:37] <tumbleweed__> with 2 HD's
[22:37] <tumbleweed__> this thing is pimped
[22:37] <joost_op> got a Turion64 X2 here
[22:38] <joost_op> and a Q6600 for dekstop
[22:38] <joost_op> muahha
[22:38] <tumbleweed__> ;/
[22:38] <joost_op> Quadcore FTW
[22:38] <joost_op> been using ubuntu since the first version
[22:39] <joost_op> but i slipped into sabayon a year ago
[22:39] <tumbleweed__> I see
[22:39] <joost_op> nevertheless i follow progress on the ubuntu proect
[22:39] <tumbleweed__> I dropped XP the first time I used ubuntu
[22:40] <tumbleweed__> haven't used it since
[22:40] <joost_op> well even before XP i was using linux, but i never dropped it
[22:40] <joost_op> although i'm near 30, i love gaming
[22:40] <joost_op> (o;
[22:41] <tumbleweed__> it runs in WINE or I don't play it
[22:41] <joost_op> thats drastic
[22:41]  * tumbleweed__ shrugs
[22:42] <joost_op> no Crysis for you mate
[22:42] <tumbleweed__> I'm far too lazy to boot into XP
[22:42] <tumbleweed__> no crysis for me indeed
[22:42] <tumbleweed__> I've had incredibly crappy computers for 14 years
[22:42] <joost_op> well yeah, i love XP for gaming
[22:42] <tumbleweed__> I have tons of other games to catch up on
[22:42] <tumbleweed__> first time I've had a video card that wasn't PCI
[22:43] <tumbleweed__> and the PCI card came 2 years ago
[22:43] <tumbleweed__> so....
[22:43] <tumbleweed__> yeah.
[22:43] <tumbleweed__> and I don't mean pci-e
[22:43]  * joost_op uses 8 series
[22:43] <joost_op> i need a good PC to work with, hahah
[22:44]  * tumbleweed__ is always just farting around in the terminal
[22:45] <joost_op> thumbleweed__ : i'm not advertising here, but sabayon comes with allot of 3d games default
[22:45] <joost_op> google earth..picassa stuff like that
[22:46] <joost_op> thats why its a DVD
[22:46] <joost_op> it also has the  video drivers pre installed
[22:46] <joost_op> kinda ready to go after install
[22:46] <tumbleweed__> right
[22:46] <tumbleweed__> dunno about including the games, but that sounds alright
[22:46] <joost_op> not sure if its legal though
[22:47] <tumbleweed__> meh
[22:47] <joost_op> (o;
[22:47] <tumbleweed__> I'm in Canada, no laws against libdvdcss2 here
[22:47] <joost_op> I'm in Holland no laws against weed here
[22:48] <tumbleweed__> awwww
[22:48]  * tumbleweed__ sobs
[22:48] <joost_op> lol
[22:48] <rsk> wine actually runs in crysis
[22:48] <rsk> er.
[22:48] <rsk> crysis actually run in wine
[22:48] <joost_op> LOL
[22:48] <tumbleweed__> badly
[22:48] <rsk> shhhhhh
[22:48] <tumbleweed__> speaking of weed, there was so much resin in the pipe I bought that I thought it was purple (it's clear), but that's a story for another day.
[22:48] <joost_op> Yeah i shot allot of wine bottles allright
[22:49] <tumbleweed__> 5 hours soaking in rubbing alcohol ftw
[22:49] <joost_op> thanks for reminding me
[22:49]  * joost_op gets another beer
[22:49] <joost_op> i never guessed it would be nice in the ubuntu chan
[22:50] <joost_op> i never was here before either
[22:50] <tumbleweed__> why's that?
[22:50] <tumbleweed__> this isn't the debian channel
[22:51] <joost_op> yah well i usualy hang in the #sabayon channel
[22:51] <joost_op> helping out people and stuff
[22:51] <tumbleweed__> I should make a channel where everyone is an asshole
[22:51] <tumbleweed__> #bofh
[22:52] <joost_op> i once went to the fedora channel.. discussing MP3 support
[22:52] <joost_op> and why they kinda suck
[22:52] <tumbleweed__> lol
[22:52] <joost_op> OMG, register at a ecommerce to get the RPM
[22:52] <joost_op> fuck that
[22:53] <joost_op> it still works that way
[22:53] <joost_op> sad
[22:53] <tumbleweed__> indeed.
[22:53] <joost_op> now the gentoo channel is even worse
[22:53] <joost_op> total L337 people lost touch with reality
[22:54] <joost_op> hehe
[22:54] <tumbleweed__> yes
[22:54] <joost_op> same goes for the HAL channel
[22:54] <tumbleweed__> really?
[22:54] <joost_op> well last time i was there
[22:54] <tumbleweed__> huh
[22:55] <joost_op> anyway, ndiswrapper to get things going you say
[22:55] <joost_op> that sucks
[22:55] <joost_op> lol
[22:55] <DanaG> Oh heck, speaking of crysis:  It needs a ridiculously high-end system to run well.
[22:56]  * joost_op has a quadcore system
[22:56]  * joost_op a 8 series nvidia card and 3 gig RAM
[22:56] <DanaG> I ran it at the Medium setting suggested by "find defaults for system", at 1024x640, and it literally went as low as 0.5 FPS in the opening.
[22:56]  * tumbleweed__ has 2 hard drives running in a RAID 0 array.... in a laptop
[22:56] <joost_op> its heavy yes
[22:57] <joost_op> well if you like to play a game with a good engine, call of duty 4
[22:57] <DanaG> You know how after you're on a boat for a long time, you adapt to the rolling deck and then are unstable when back on land?
[22:57] <tumbleweed__> yeah
[22:57] <joost_op> COD4 FTW
[22:57] <DanaG> The same thing happened to me with the horridly lurchy (2FPS) game.
[22:57] <joost_op> to bad its a short story
[22:57] <tumbleweed__> I had a crappy computer, so I'm used to playing games at 4 fps
[22:57] <joost_op> lol
[22:57] <tumbleweed__> I just crank up the graphics
[22:57] <tumbleweed__> :P
[22:57] <joost_op> i always have new stuff
[22:57] <crimsun> I have a crappy computer.  I'm used to not playing 3D games.
[22:57] <joost_op> but hey... i need it for work
[22:58] <tumbleweed__> crimsun : quake 2 is pretty fun
[22:58] <joost_op> crimsun: freeciv FTW
[22:58] <joost_op> or dune2 in dosbox
[22:58] <crimsun> tumbleweed__: not when you use vesa it's not.
[22:58] <joost_op> very nice
[22:58]  * DanaG has Core Duo 1.83GHz, with 1 gig of RAM, and a 128MB (damn you, Gateway!) GeForce Go 7600.
[22:58] <tumbleweed__> crimsun : ....nethack?
[22:58] <joost_op> hahaha
[22:59] <crimsun> tumbleweed__: I don't play at work :)
[22:59] <tumbleweed__> haw
[22:59] <joost_op> i bet you do play flash games, when boss is gone
[22:59] <crimsun> I bet I don't. :)
[22:59] <tumbleweed__> I wish I could, flash is broken on my laptop
[22:59] <joost_op> ok you are the boss
[22:59] <joost_op> (o;
[23:00] <crimsun> (not to mention I can be fired for it)
[23:00] <DanaG> Somebody oughtta' make a racing game or an Uru-like game in the Crysis engine.  Crysis makes my whole system cry out as if being tortured.  (not literally, it's a joke.)
[23:00] <joost_op> ooh
[23:00] <joost_op> i'm my own boss anyway
[23:00] <joost_op> i'm such a good one
[23:00] <tumbleweed__> my boss has adapted to the fact that I'm lazy.
[23:00] <tumbleweed__> hmmm
[23:01] <tumbleweed__> speaking of nethack
[23:01]  * tumbleweed__ opens nethack-gnome
[23:01] <joost_op> speaking of lazy: explains ndiswrapper
[23:01] <joost_op> (o;
[23:01] <crimsun> I'm just happy I got a holiday that I couldn't use ;)
[23:02] <joost_op> so, any devs in here? or is +1 just symbolic for community?
[23:02] <tumbleweed__> nope
[23:02] <tumbleweed__> this is the hardy heron alpha room
[23:03] <joost_op> meaning....?
[23:03] <tumbleweed__> #ubuntu is the main channel
[23:03] <tumbleweed__> hardy herron == beta
[23:03] <tumbleweed__> so devs are in here
[23:03] <tumbleweed__> err
[23:03] <tumbleweed__> alph
[23:03] <tumbleweed__> a
[23:03] <joost_op> well yeah
[23:03] <crimsun> yes, there are devs in here.
[23:03] <joost_op> i was about to talk to a dev when i entered the room
[23:03] <joost_op> asking about the broadcom
[23:04] <joost_op> are ubuntu devs in tough with the people?
[23:04] <joost_op> touch
[23:04] <joost_op> or is it all PR dont talk now?
[23:04] <bardyr> !info linux-image-generic fesity
[23:04] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24.2.2 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[23:04] <bardyr> !info linux-image-generic feisty
[23:05] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.20.16.28.1 (feisty), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[23:05] <joost_op> ubotu: reboot yourself
[23:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reboot yourself - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:05] <joost_op> damn bots
[23:06] <joost_op> !info hairs on my head
[23:06] <ubotu> Package hairs does not exist in hardy
[23:06] <joost_op> really?
[23:06] <joost_op> bald ftw
[23:06] <xtknight> ya this distro is a bald eagle
[23:07] <joost_op> Do devs ever interact with its users lately?
[23:08] <xtknight> well im not sure there's a ton of direct collaboration but there users/dev communicate mainly on launchpad in fixing bugs
[23:08] <xtknight> and there are blueprints and suggestions on the public wiki, for next version of ubuntu
[23:08] <crimsun> joost_op: yes, there are.
[23:08] <joost_op> nice, but not personal
[23:08] <bardyr> does anybody have any idea if/when a new version of network-manager is coming, i hear so much great stuff about the 0.7 release
[23:08] <xtknight> well i dont know.  if you can get together people to get your idea in the next ver of ubuntu, the devs are prolly willing to accept it
[23:08] <crimsun> you'll find that most of the paid Canonical staff are very, very busy.
[23:09] <crimsun> most of us who aren't paid Canonical staff tend to have a tiny bit more time.
[23:09] <xtknight> (lowlings such as I)
[23:09] <DanaG> That reminds me... I need to go off and file that bug about sluggishness.
[23:09] <joost_op> its not out yet, networkmanager
[23:10] <crimsun> (meaning: there are a handful of volunteer, non-Canonical devs here)
[23:10] <joost_op> Canonical isn't that a paid call / PR centre?
[23:10] <bardyr> joost_op, oh, i thought it was released
[23:11] <crimsun> joost_op: It's the company that pays for Ubuntu development in addition to those.
[23:12] <joost_op> what are devs being paid for excactly?
[23:12] <joost_op> (o;
[23:12] <crimsun> to develop software, do QA, etc.
[23:13] <joost_op> weird
[23:13] <crimsun> not weird at all.  They're software engineers, mostly.  There are a handful of marketing and managerial types.
[23:13] <joost_op> i mean i know a distro that has as much as 2 devs, and does run things out of the box
[23:13] <joost_op> nah i'm not flaming, but the money is uggly
[23:13] <DanaG> For a kernel bug in 2.6.24 kernel, what package do I attach it to?
[23:14] <crimsun> 'linux'
[23:14] <DanaG> Despite only 2.6.24 being affected?
[23:14] <crimsun> joost_op: employment aside, no one's perfect, mistakes happen, and mistakes are fixed.
[23:14] <DanaG> Okay.
[23:14] <crimsun> DanaG: linux-source-2.6.x (pre-hardy) -> linux (hardy)
[23:14] <DanaG> Aah.
[23:15] <joost_op> crisun: like everything in the world..money gets to managers who dunno shit
[23:15] <joost_op> just talkers
[23:15] <joost_op> imho
[23:15] <joost_op> ahwell, nevermind me sayin that
[23:15] <crimsun> joost_op: I can't speak for the managerial types at Canonical, but I know at least two who are knee-deep in the development guts
[23:16] <crimsun> cjwatson/kamion and keybuk are well known for their contributions in F/LOSS.
[23:16] <joost_op> well it kinda sometimes surprises me inovation on ubuntu is SO slow with this ammount of money
[23:16] <crimsun> "this amount of money" is somewhat misleading, IMO
[23:16] <joost_op> guess i  just don't understand the whole
[23:17] <crimsun> it costs bundles to maintain the Canonical presences in data centres
[23:17] <joost_op> jah, trust me, i love ubuntu
[23:17] <joost_op> no question
[23:17] <crimsun> I don't /think/ any Canonical staff are in it solely for money, either.
[23:18] <crimsun> I know I'm not, because I'm not employed by Canonical. :)
[23:18] <joost_op> i dunno that much about that really
[23:19] <crimsun> anyhow, most Ubuntu dev<->user interaction occurs via Launchpad
[23:19] <crimsun> you can reach us via #ubuntu-devel, too, but the signal:noise ratio is enforcably higher
[23:21] <joost_op> i think the distro doesnt reach like 90% of its users
[23:21] <crimsun> that's plausible
[23:21] <crimsun> for instance, I don't frequent the Forums.
[23:22] <joost_op> why not dekstop link a get help irc chat thing on the desktop?
[23:22] <crimsun> aside from community presence?
[23:22] <joost_op> or get in touch, whatever
[23:23] <joost_op> just a thought
[23:23] <crimsun> I think relying on paid Canonical devs should be avoided unless you purchased a support contract.
[23:24] <joost_op> well, paid support should be there for a company having X desktops
[23:24] <joost_op> but for the home user
[23:24] <joost_op> (o;
[23:25] <crimsun> for the home user, there are the Forums, IRC, answers.LP, etc.
[23:25] <crimsun> and of course, that's not to say that some devs don't hop on IRC after work hours
[23:25] <joost_op> well i like the thing sabayonlinux did, putting a get help icon on the desktop
[23:26] <crimsun> understandably they want a break from their paid job ;)
[23:26] <joost_op> it auto connects to the IRC
[23:26] <crimsun> joost_op: yes, that's the case with Kopete's and Gaim's IRC presences
[23:26] <crimsun> err, well I guess the latter is Pidgin now...
[23:27] <joost_op> its just a great way to kinda encourage people not to give up if they have trouble
[23:27] <joost_op> thats the greater goal
[23:27] <crimsun> I agree
[23:28] <joost_op> talking to people / other users / devs direclty really shortens things
[23:28] <joost_op> so why not do that?
[23:28] <crimsun> you have been for the past while if you haven't noticed ;)
[23:29] <tumbleweed__> lul
[23:29] <joost_op> (o;
[23:30] <joost_op> lul means dick in dutch
[23:30] <joost_op> thank you
[23:31] <crimsun> anyhow, I need to catch the train (since I missed the last one!)
[23:31]  * crimsun detaches
[23:33] <joost_op> cheers man
[23:33] <joost_op> thx
[23:36] <joost_op> guys, tumbleweed__ : nice talking to ya
[23:36] <tumbleweed__> later
[23:36] <joost_op> hardy looks promising, keep it up
[23:36] <joost_op> (o;
[23:48] <DanaG> Detaches?  Aah, screen over ssh, perhaps?
[23:51] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/178807
[23:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178807 in linux "Severe sluggishness under 'nice' load in 2.6.24 kernels" [Undecided,New]