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no0ticis there a way to force someone to join a channel?01:41
crdlbno01:41
crdlbalthough you can trick them into joining with a banforward01:41
PriceChildand a few people join on invite01:42
naliothtricking people is more for April, i'd suspect01:42
no0ticI'll try with a banfoward :)01:55
no0ticbut I think he would suspect something :)01:55
MenZaHot_Girl in #ubuntu seems like someone to watch02:24
LjLMenZa: because she's hot?02:24
LjLsorry.02:24
MenZasuch aggression.02:24
MenZaLjL: someone needs sleep :p02:24
MenZahmm02:25
* MenZa notes: #ubuntu-ops is window no. 2602:25
LjLMenZa: i can help with that02:25
LjLi don't think fabio is clueless, i think he's a troll.02:30
LjLhe can go on collecting kicks until he collects something stronger.02:30
Hobbseethey're all clueless.02:30
LjLwell he's a clueless troll.02:31
Hobbseetrue dat.02:31
Jack_Sparrow:)   and tired....02:31
Hobbseehotgirl is an idiot, on *so* many levels02:31
LjLhappy whateverdayitis by the way Hobbsee02:31
Jack_Sparrowhot girl is most likely a middle aged guy , living in him mom's basement02:32
Hobbseeor someone thinking they'll get help, rather tahn propositioned02:32
Jack_Sparrowyea... that too02:32
crdlbhis realname confirms such a hypothesis :)02:33
Jack_Sparrowwhat is it?02:33
LjLlook?02:33
PiciGreg could be a girls name...02:33
Jack_SparrowGreg moore... too funny02:33
LjLPici: oh, like benjamin?02:34
PiciOr Lorenzo02:34
LjLi guess02:34
Jack_SparrowI am so punchy.... I dont have the patience for little kids any more02:34
Jack_SparrowAges 4 and 7 will send me to heaven... in a hurry02:35
Hobbseeugh.  i've seen enough idiocy already02:43
Pici:(02:43
ikoniaheads up on hot_girl.02:50
ikoniapossible time waster02:50
ikonia< Hot_Girl> one sec IKEAwh0re02:51
ikoniathats not my nick incase you didn't guess ;)02:51
Piciikonia: there is someone with that nick in the channel though02:53
ikoniaI can't see them02:53
ikoniaoooh yes02:53
Picitab complete s on ik brough you two up02:53
ikoniaso I can02:53
ikoniamy mistake02:54
ikoniaapologies02:54
PiciAnyway, Men-za said to keep an eye on hot_girl anyway..02:54
PiciA bit earlier02:54
ikoniaahh, only just joined02:55
ikoniaat parents house so connection is limited02:55
* MenZa eyes Pici03:06
MenZaAre you trying to avoid high-lighting me?03:06
MenZaI see everything!03:06
ikoniaWTF - nickname in #ubuntu03:06
naliothikonia: who?03:08
ikoniathe nick is "wtf"03:08
naliothikonia: 'nickname' is the name of a known troll03:10
naliothyour sentence would lead one to believe that 'nickname' was up to something03:10
ikoniaahhh03:10
ikoniamy mistake then, WTF is a nickname in #ubuntu03:11
naliothwtf > wwjd > wwjd||| > hotter_than_hot03:12
naliothand gone for nick spam03:12
ikoniathank you !03:12
ikoniaI'm struggling in there03:12
ardchoilleI hate smart alecks05:37
naliothwhere?05:38
* nalioth covers his mirror05:38
ardchoille#kubuntu05:38
ardchoille< flaccid> nalioth: what if i say no?05:38
ardchoillenalioth: lol05:38
ardchoilleHobbsee: KUDOS!05:45
ardchoille:)05:45
Hobbseehehe :)05:45
ardchoilleheh, dude?05:46
ardchoilleThere should be something about "thou shalt not argue with an op in the channel"05:51
Hobbseethere is.05:52
Hobbseei'm just trying not to invoke it05:52
ardchoilleok05:52
Hobbseebecause it makes him easier to pull the "the ops hate me" card05:52
ardchoilleah05:52
naliothops hate him?05:53
Hobbseehe can percieve that05:54
naliothself-fulfilling prophecy of all trolls05:54
Hobbseehah. hotgirl went05:54
ardchoilleSome use that instead of looking at the real problem05:54
Hobbseeardchoille: exactly05:55
ardchoilleI can't believe he has the nerve to argue in the channel with an op and a staffer.05:57
GoldenPonyhe's trolling.05:58
Myrttimoin06:25
Hobbseeheya06:31
Myrttifunky06:36
MyrttiI ping timeout from IRCnet if I've left my screened irssi on my 770 and it loses wifi connection and the ssh session drops06:38
ardchoilleReally?06:38
* ardchoille ducks06:38
Myrttiappears as so, I've done it on consecutive nights06:39
Myrttibut freenode survives it06:40
Myrttiit's only IRCnet doing it06:40
ardchoillefreenode is cool06:40
Myrttiyup06:42
Myrtticould someone unmute RoshanK on #ubuntu, my irssi complains about channel not synchronised again06:49
Myrttiok, this isn't working06:56
ubotuHardDisk called the ops in #ubuntu (NeoGeo64)08:07
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PiciMyrtti: If you're still having issues with irssi and #ubuntu being unsynced, try setting channel_max_who_sync to something over the number of people in #ubuntu (mine is at 2000)12:19
Myrttihmmmm?12:20
PiciOh.. that was like 6 hours ago, oops12:20
Myrttino but how?12:22
Picioh. /set channel_max_who_sync 200012:22
jpatrick!no, bugs is <reply>If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots14:04
ubotuIn #ubuntu-ops, jpatrick said: !no, bugs is <reply>If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots14:04
Hobbsee!no, bugs is <reply>If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots14:04
ubotuI'll remember that Hobbsee14:04
PiciWhats new?14:05
ardchoilleAh, the bugs url changed14:06
PiciWas it bugs.ubuntu.com before?14:06
LjLyes14:06
ardchoilleyeah14:06
PiciAh.14:06
LjLwhich still works for that matter14:07
jpatrickthe http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots pointed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots14:08
jpatricksmaller message14:09
PiciGood thinking14:09
jpatrickhmm, maybe !bug is <alias>bugs ?14:12
Pici-bugs14:13
LjL!bug14:13
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots14:13
Pici!-bug14:13
ubotubug aliases: filebug, bugtracker - added by Seveas on 2006-06-17 23:24:5914:13
Pici!-bugs14:13
ubotubugs has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-06-17 23:25:0514:13
LjL!no bug is <alias> bugs14:13
jpatrickor other way round and update bug14:13
ubotuI'll remember that LjL14:13
LjL!-bugs14:13
ubotubugs aliases: bug - added by Seveas on 2006-06-17 23:25:0514:13
LjL!no bugtracker is <alias> bugs14:13
ubotuYou are editing an alias. Please repeat the edit command within the next 10 seconds to confirm14:13
LjL!-bugtracker14:13
ubotubugtracker is <alias> bug - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 01:54:5214:13
LjLtsk... this should work the other way round14:13
LjL!no bugtracker is <alias> bugs14:14
LjL!no bugtracker is <alias> bugs14:14
ubotuI'll remember that LjL14:14
LjL!no filebug is <alias> bugs14:14
ubotuYou are editing an alias. Please repeat the edit command within the next 10 seconds to confirm14:14
LjL!no filebug is <alias> bugs14:14
LjL!no filebug is <alias> bugs14:14
LjL!-bugs14:14
ubotubugs aliases: bug, filebug, bugtracker - added by Seveas on 2006-06-17 23:25:0514:14
jpatrickprefect :)14:15
LjLno, not quite14:16
LjL!features is <alias> bugs14:16
ubotuI'll remember that, LjL14:16
Pici:p14:16
LjLPici: are you coding your bot? if you wait until i've got enough features into mine, i'll doom you to PHP hell forever :P14:20
PiciLjL: I haven't started it yet actually.14:21
LjLPici: well if you do it use a table with hostname / category / voted package, so we can transfer the DB from mine14:23
MyrttiLjL: the IRCnet LjL isn't online ;-)14:23
LjLthanks :)14:23
Myrttitshih14:24
PiciLjL: Will do.14:25
PiciLjL: I assume that the primary key is hostname?14:26
LjLPici: you could assume there's no primary key14:27
LjL:p14:27
LjLPici: but anyway no, the logical primary key would be host+category14:27
LjLsince you *can* vote on more than one category, just not twice on the same category14:27
PiciLjL: buh, /me needs more caffiene.14:28
ubuntu_hi i; trying to bqck up ;y files but i cqnt see; to copy to ;y hdd cquse of so;e ristriction14:28
LjLubuntu_: ask in #ubuntu, and see if they can help you fix your keyboard too14:28
PiciLjL: hostname ^^14:29
LjLah yes.14:29
ubuntu_im in cd live i have a french keyboard but the cd live comes default for english14:29
ubuntu_im on kubuntu14:29
jpatrickubuntu_: #kubuntu-fr or #ubuntu-fr ?14:31
LjLwii, do you have any questions for *this* channel?14:35
ubuntu_oh sorry14:40
LjLno "who is wii?"14:43
ompaulLjL, what you talkin` `bout? ;-)14:45
LjLompaul: look at ubuntu_'s hostname14:45
ompaulya14:45
PiciLjL: hes in #ubuntu, I thought he was still banned from there.14:46
LjL'parently not14:46
PiciRemoved Dec 18 by PriceChild... tsk tsk14:46
ompaulit appears it is lying14:48
PiciIs it still in /bans ?14:48
ompaulhmm14:50
PiciWhat were you talking about?14:50
ompaulno14:50
Piciokay14:50
ompaulit might be very soon - it appears he got himself banned from #kubuntu14:51
ubotuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !vbox is <alias> virtualbox15:38
Pici!box is <alias> virtualbox15:38
ubotuI'll remember that, Pici15:38
Jucato-box15:39
Jucato!-box15:39
ubotubox is <alias> virtualbox - added by Pici on 2007-12-26 16:38:3915:39
PiciI forgot the v15:39
Jucato:)15:39
* Pici facepalms15:39
Piciubotu: forget box15:40
ubotuI'll forget that, Pici15:40
Pici!vbox is <alias> virtualbox15:40
ubotuI'll remember that, Pici15:40
Jucatogood bot :)15:40
Jucato!whoami15:40
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about whoami - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi15:40
Jucatoheh15:40
* Pici pats ubotu 15:40
Jucato%whoami15:40
ubotuJucato15:40
Jucato!botsnack15:40
ubotuYum! Err, I mean, APT!15:40
LjL!no virtualbox is <reply> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. The free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. http://www.virtualbox.org/ provides !Feisty, !Edgy and !Dapper packages of the non-free edition - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox15:43
ubotuI'll remember that LjL15:43
LjL!no virtualbox is <reply> VirtualBox is virtualization software for x86. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://www.virtualbox.org/ provides for !Feisty, !Edgy and !Dapper - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox15:44
ubotuI'll remember that LjL15:44
LjL!search wiki.ubuntu.com15:47
ubotuFound: laptop, themes, tb1.5, uvf, developer, samba, uuid, packagingguide, equivalents, ban15:47
ubotuIn ubotu, bob301 said: !soon is Soon™: A broadly generic description of a length of time between now and the fruition of a promise made by the developers of computer software, especially critical Operating System software. Before being trademarked, the term 'Soon' was much more meaningful, indicating that the event to which the adverb is applied is to happen in the near future. After the trademark was applied to the term, however, any since of urgency16:14
Piciheh16:14
ompaulPici, call me harsh please ;-)16:15
ompaulsee last ban in #ubuntu16:15
Piciompaul: you are harsh ;)16:15
PiciI did ;)16:15
ompaulyou want to troll you get told not to you choose to argue16:16
ompaulbye16:16
wolsompaul: I call you an oppressive evil overlord with no soule that has bad karma and will rot in hell16:16
wolsgood enough?16:16
ompaulwols, getting there16:16
ompaul:)16:16
naliothompaul: go have some fruit cake and relax  :)16:17
wolsI'm just starting in the this, give me time to learn16:17
ompaulnalioth, you tryin to kill me?16:18
naliothompaul: relaxation never hurt anyone16:18
ompaulthe fruit cake would16:18
euskadihi16:20
euskadigot a question i made a .c file, i compiled it and all work i can launch it in the terminal with ./file but my question is how can i launch it with a click when the file is in the desktop on gnome i'm usin' ubuntu gusty16:21
Picieuskadi: You have been forwarded to the operators channel, please change your ident and you may join #ubuntu16:22
jpatrickeuskadi: support in #ubuntu16:22
ompaulno16:22
ompaulwiii16:22
jpatrickah16:22
LjLompaul: no16:22
Piciompaul: no,16:22
ompaulack16:22
PiciJust some other wanadoo user.16:22
ompaulhowever such a user@ is not welcome anyway16:22
PiciIndeed.16:22
LjLindeed that's why they're forwarded16:22
ompauleuskadi, you are in #ubuntu-ops16:23
euskadi??16:23
ompauleuskadi, you are in #ubuntu-ops16:24
euskadiwhat do I have to do  ?16:24
Picieuskadi: Please change your irc client's ident to something other than 'fuckfuck' and you may join the channel.16:24
euskadilol16:24
euskadiok16:24
Pici!ohmy16:24
ubotuPlease watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.16:24
ompauland fuck is not a good idea either16:24
naliothohmy, he's overdone it, hasn't he?16:26
LjL!badhostmask is <reply> This is not the channel you intended to join. You have been redirected here because your nickname, username or hostname contains unacceptable language (see « /msg ubotu language »). Please change it, then reconnect to join the correct channel.16:27
ubotuI'll remember that, LjL16:27
Journeymanfor some reason I falsely got tagged for a vuln and am forced to join #ubuntu-read-topic16:27
Journeymancan someone fix that?16:27
euskadiback again16:27
LjLJourneyman: yes16:27
LjLjourneyman: you said falsely?16:28
LjLeuskadi: you're in #ubuntu now. thanks.16:28
Journeymanerm16:28
Journeymanintresting16:28
Journeymanintresting16:28
ompaulJourneyman, want to be tested?16:28
Journeymanyes16:29
LjLnot yet, i think16:29
ompaulI think he did the fix but did not leave the system16:29
ompaulits okay now16:29
ompaullet me remove it16:29
LjLit's not ok16:29
ompaulor he is lagged16:29
LjLompaul: CTCP when testing16:29
ompaulack16:29
ompaulJourneyman, care to fix your client16:30
Journeymancan do that16:30
Journeymanhold on16:30
ompaulthen part and come back16:30
Picieuskadi: Whats up?16:30
ompauleuskadi,  can we help you in some other way?16:30
Journeymanok16:31
Journeymanhow about now16:31
PiciTheres two of you now.16:31
LjLPici: no16:31
PiciLjL: :p16:31
Myrttilol16:31
LjLJourneyman: try again16:31
LjL!exploit16:31
ubotuThere are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit16:31
JourneymanI need more details on the exploit to beable to fix it16:32
LjLJourneyman: err... "change your port to 8001". that seems quite precise instructions to me16:32
ompaulJourneyman, that web page tells you16:32
Journeymanyeah that doesn't give me any information16:32
Journeymanjust telling me to change a port to connect to doesn't tell me how to legitimently fix the problem16:32
ompaulit does16:32
ompaulenough16:32
LjLJourneyman: by upgrading your router firmware, if there is an update.16:33
LjLif there isn't, tough luck, just connect to 800116:33
Journeymanbut what is the exploit16:33
ubotuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !ymmv is <reply> ymmv is short for "Your mileage may vary". It means that someone else's experience with compatibility, performance etc. may not necessarily match yours. Also see !wfm16:33
Journeymanis there a bugtraq site that may have more info?16:33
LjLJourneyman: sending a malformed DCC request.16:33
wolsJourneyman: the exploit is, the router interprets it as an attack and crashes basically. sucky router16:34
LjL!ymmv16:34
ubotuymmv is short for "Your mileage may vary". It means that someone else's experience with compatibility, performance etc. may not necessarily match yours.16:34
Journeymanthis is different than the older dcc attack that was a buffer overlfow eh16:34
LjLJourneyman, we're #ubuntu support, not router exploit helpers. we just know we don't want to see tons of users disconnecting from the channel when some fools tries these exploits.16:35
Pici!ymmv =~ s/yours./yours. Also see !wfm/16:35
ubotuI'll remember that Pici16:35
ompaulcome back when you (A) have your router fixed or (B) got yourself a new connection to 8001 and you can research the problem to your hearts delight securely later16:35
Picieuskadi: This isn't a channel to just idle in, do you have a legitimate question for the channel operators?16:36
LjLwould staff blame me if i kept exploiting him until he learns? >:16:39
ompaulno16:39
ompauleuskadi, I'll take the silence as not16:40
LjLwe should get an exploiter bot in -read-topic, periodically exploiting everyone there :P16:40
jpatrickhow does one get '+' here? :)16:41
LjLactually, make it an entry message *g*16:41
LjLjpatrick: by being in the irc team16:41
jpatrickLjL: I am16:41
ompaulLjL, no it is an exit entry16:42
* ompaul tut tuts16:42
PiciI'm sure the staff will love that16:43
Journeymanalright, I have upgraded my firmware, could you test me again16:46
LjLpffff16:46
LjLJourneyman: connect to 8001, will you?16:47
Journeymanerm guess they didn't fix it in that firmware16:47
JourneymanI perfer to correct the problem, not mask it16:47
LjLJourneyman: good luck then... but there's no harm in connecting to 8001, anyway. actually i think it's going to be the default for freenode in some ubuntu clients, if it isn't already16:48
JourneymanI am on more than one irc network, and they don't just let you connect to that port16:48
PiciJourneyman: freenode does though.16:48
LjLJourneyman: yeah other networks might be a problem. pester your router maker.16:48
JourneymanI can't do that without any information on the exploit really16:48
LjLok16:49
LjLJourneyman: a DCC request is sent in the form of a CTCP, containing the string "DCC SEND" or "DCC CHAT" followed by three port numbers. routers try to be "smart" and open ports for you when people DCC you. if instead of the port numbers there is any long enough string, or the port numbers are invalid, hoever, stupid "smart" routers panic and shut down the connection.16:50
Journeymanhttp://colloquy.info/project/ticket/53116:50
Journeymanis that it?16:50
LjLi suggest you don't try the exploit on this network, if you don't mind being able to join it again16:50
PiciJourneyman: Yes, thats it.16:51
LjLJourneyman: yes.16:51
JourneymanLjL: I have no intentions of using it, I just want to find an real fix16:51
Journeymanthanks for the help16:51
ompaulJourneyman, also please be aware you are not getting into #ubuntu until you are immune to the bug, and we have told you how to be immune so if your firmware does not work you are stuck outside until you connect to 8001 on freenode16:51
Journeymanthats fine, I can use a different nick to join16:52
LjLi don't think so16:52
JourneymanI do16:52
LjLok16:52
JourneymanI have already done so16:52
Journeymanbut anyhow, I am on 8001 now16:52
ompaulLjL, test ;-)16:54
ompaulJourneyman, have you left the network and rejoined16:54
LjLompaul: he's immune16:54
ompaulLjL, I did all that for nothing16:54
ompaulwols, you can now laugh out loud :P16:54
wolsompaul: why?16:55
wolsand if I do, you ban me :P16:55
ompaulJourneyman, you can join #ubuntu16:55
Piciompaul: Can't you do that all on one line?16:55
ompaulwols, ;-)16:55
Journeymanthanks16:55
wolsbesides: I don#t have a aol hostmast, so I can't laugh out loud16:55
ompaul:P16:56
ompaulPici, please don't do that :P16:56
ompaul:P16:56
ompaulcorrectly shaped insult kept between the :Ps16:56
PiciVery symmetrical.16:56
* ompaul pours a nice tea for all 16:56
ompaulright folks it appears I have to go to where there are people and do the visiting thing16:57
ompaulhave fun16:57
ompaulJourneyman, is there anything else we can help you with?16:57
Journeyman suppose not16:58
ompaulas subtle as a brick going though a plate glass window16:58
ompaulI gtg later16:58
ubotuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)16:59
ubotuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)16:59
ubotuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)16:59
Picinalioth: Resofje (n=asleify@218.24.180.147) = dcc exploiter, your scripty thingy didnt catch it.17:01
LjLhis script is lame17:02
naliothPici: it errs on the side of caution17:02
naliothbut he's gone now17:03
Picinalioth: I know that if you felt that it should get caught, then it would.  Let me know if I can unban.17:03
ullisuokayy. I'm supposed to ask to be tested if I have fixes that bug exploit. I'm on port 8001 now.17:15
Piciullis: hold still please.17:15
Piciullis: you appear to pass, one moment.17:15
* ullis is holding her breath17:15
Piciullis: you may rejoin #ubuntu, thank you for your time.17:16
mneptoktime me for my thanks17:17
mneptokready? go!17:17
mneptokthanks!17:17
ullisOK. Thanks, Pici17:17
Pici2 seconds ;)17:17
Ariel_EranHi All17:31
jpatrickhi Ariel_Eran17:31
Ariel_EranHi Jpatrick, I've been speaking with Nalioth, Ompaul, PriceChild and others in the last few days about IRSeek17:32
Ariel_EranJpatrick: I am not sure if you are aware of the status/situation and I wanted to ask them something about our last conversation :)17:33
ubotujpatrick called the ops in #kubuntu-devel ()17:34
jpatrickignore that ;)17:34
Ariel_EranNalioth/ompaul: are you here by any chance?17:34
naliothAriel_Eran: i am17:34
kikrmy router isn't effected by a bug =P17:38
Ariel_EranNalioth: Hi, following our last conversation, I was trying to find out which channels are OK for me to log, and following the guidelines (ubuntulog in channel + UbuntuCouncil shows in info on chanserv) that you guys gave me, it seems that 5 channels are falling under that category, does that seem about right to you?17:39
naliothAriel_Eran: yep17:39
Ariel_Erannalioth: I see, aren't  #kubuntu, and #edubuntu fall under the same category?17:41
naliothAriel_Eran: if you find ubuntulog there17:44
Ariel_Erannalioth: it is present there17:44
nalioth:)17:44
kikrcan someone unban me from  #ubuntu please17:44
Picikikr: hold still17:46
kikr=)17:46
Tm_Thi kids and alike17:48
Ariel_Erannalioth, I am confused, sorry.  Is any channel that ubuntulog is on OK? I though ompaul mention that the UbuntuCouncil should show on the contact field in the chanserv? :)17:49
kikrhey17:49
kikrPici, you there?17:49
Picikikr: sure, hold on17:49
naliothAriel_Eran: no.17:50
Picikikr: you can now rejoin #ubuntu17:50
kikrthanks17:50
naliothAriel_Eran: loco channels are off limits until you check with their operators17:50
Ariel_Erannalioth: yes, except the loco channels.17:51
Ariel_Erannalioth: so #kubuntu, #edubuntu and others that are non-loco, and ubuntulog is on is fine, right? (sorry to beat this to death, I just want to ensure I am not mistaken)17:52
naliothlet's stick with #kubuntu for now17:53
naliothi'll ask the #edubuntu folks17:53
Ariel_Erannalioth: ok, thanks17:53
ubotuIn ubotu, butcherbird said: mc44 is a little known deity worshiped by the Huli people of Papua New Guinea.  A minor fertiliy demon he is best known for his insatiable appetite and strange menagerie of mates.  Acording to local folklore he can most often be found chasing around terrified pigmy goats in the lush coastal swamplands of the island.17:59
jpatrick...17:59
Pici....17:59
Pici!botabuse > butcherbird18:00
no0tichappy easter!18:00
no0tic:P18:00
jpatrickunless it's like !nixternal18:00
Pici!nixternal18:00
ubotuOh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!18:00
Myrttias long as you don't invent any "humoresque" factoid about me18:05
jussi01!jdong18:33
ubotu<Hobbsee> jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!18:33
Pici!ompaul18:34
ubotuompaul is well ompaul, don't get me started about that guy18:34
jussi01!pici18:35
ubotupici is stuck in a factoid factory! Help!18:35
jussi01!hobbsee18:35
ubotuI phear the stick so shhhhh18:35
jpatrickhow do i kickban clones?18:35
Jack_SparrowThat's it.. no more eggnog for you guys...18:35
Picijpatrick: your own clones?18:36
jimmygoonCan you test me for dcc exploit18:36
jpatrickno (I don't have any :P), but some just appeared in #kubuntu-es18:36
naliothjpatrick: you kick clones like you kick anyone else18:36
jimmygooner, I'm supposed to come in here so that I can get back into #ubuntu18:37
jpatricknalioth: yes, but all at once by ip?18:37
Picijimmygoon: yes, correct. hold still please.18:37
Picijimmygoon: you pass, congrats18:37
jimmygoonwooo18:37
Picijimmygoon: You can now rejoin #ubuntu18:37
naliothjpatrick: you'll need to ban once and kick many times18:38
jimmygoonPici, thanks a bunch18:38
jpatricknalioth: ah ok18:38
jimmygoonCan anyone point me in the direction of more info about this dcc exploit? I want to see if there is new firmware for my router that will fix it (I changed the port) and all the hcangelog says is "Resolves issue with how multicast packets with checksum error are being handled."18:42
Pici!exploit | jimmygoon have you read this?18:43
ubotujimmygoon have you read this?: There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit18:43
jimmygoonPici, yes, it doesn't go into any technical detail, I had read about it before on a wiki (not sure if it was the ubuntu one) about malformed packets and something or another18:44
Picijimmygoon: its just that if a specific string gets sent over port 6667, it drops you, google can help you find more technical information about it.18:46
PiciWe dont discuss that on the wiki page because we know that some people may take advantage of it.18:46
jimmygoonPici, of course, thanks again18:46
ubotuIn ubotu, intelikey said: no samba is samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently  and  http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html  with detailed information at http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/  - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT18:52
Pici!samba18:53
ubotusamba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT18:53
PiciSR71-Blackbird: Afternoon, how can we help you today?18:53
jpatricksamba is samba is?18:53
SR71-BlackbirdPici, i need to check for the DCC exploit18:53
Piciit is what it is ;)18:53
PiciSR71-Blackbird: You passs, you may rejoin #ubuntu18:54
SR71-BlackbirdPici, thanks18:54
SR71-BlackbirdPici, strange, i got that only from #ubuntu18:55
PiciSR71-Blackbird: We're the only ones that ban you, force you to fix the problem.18:56
jpatrick!no, samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.18:56
ubotuIn #ubuntu-ops, jpatrick said: !no, samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.18:57
SR71-BlackbirdPici, ok.. that's good.. didn't know abt the exploit tho18:57
Pici!no, samba is <reply> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.18:57
ubotuI'll remember that Pici18:57
jussi01ok, so the IRseekbot is ok, isnt it?18:59
DavieySWAT - what a pile of poop18:59
PiciBetter than webmin18:59
LjLjussi01: yes, in #ubuntu at least19:00
Davieyjussi01: Is it a bot or person?19:00
jussi01LjL: it just joined #kubuntu19:00
Davieyhe's joined #ubuntu-mythtv aswell19:00
DavieyDoes he need watching?19:00
jussi01Daviey: I think its the logbot from freenode iirc19:01
PiciHes just a log bot19:01
LjLDaviey: he should only join channels where ubuntulog is there too, and which (at least as a general rule) are owned by the irc council19:01
Picifrom irseek, not freenode.19:01
jussi01Pici: aghh19:01
Davieyhmm, who authorised this bot?19:01
LjLi'd rather see it cloaked but i guess that'll come19:01
LjLDaviey: we did19:01
PiciDaviey: Unless of course its not an Ubuntu channel at all, then its not up to us.19:01
DavieyWould have been nice for an annoncement on the ML19:01
jpatrickit's on several nonubuntu channels19:01
jpatrickwell 419:02
Davieyyeah, but a blanket auth on the ubuntu namespace means there should have been some communication19:02
LjLDaviey: there was an announcement on freenode's blog for starters... also, it's been discussed in this channel a lot. and no, there's no blanked auth on the whole ubuntu namespace19:02
LjLonly on channel owned by ubuntuirccouncil and with ubuntulog on them19:02
Davieyso who auth'd it for #ubuntu-mythtv?19:03
PiciDaviey: Its not a blanket auth, just on the channels we said it could (although I dont remember -mythtv being one of them)19:03
LjLDaviey: it seems to be owned by the ubuntu irc council.19:03
LjLis ubuntulog in there?19:03
Davieyyes19:03
LjLyes, so it meets all the criteria. perhaps it wasn't supposed to be owned by the irc council to begin with?19:04
LjLDaviey: also, i thought it's always been our policy (at least on #ubuntu) to only ban bots that *talk*, and just watch (if anything) other suspected bots19:05
DavieyIs this policy written?19:05
PiciThats what I follow...19:05
LjLnepbabu: need testing?19:05
LjLDaviey: no, just what i've always seen everyone do19:05
PiciDaviey: I believe theres a mention of 'no bots' in the irc guidelines page19:05
nepbabuLjL, nope19:05
Picinepbabu: How can we help you then?19:06
DavieyPici: thats what i thought19:06
Davieyno extra bots19:06
nepbabuLjL, since i wasn't forwarded to #ubuntu-read-topic, does it automatically mean that this dcc exploit doesn't affect my router?19:07
Davieylast i knew IRSeek was pretty unwelcome.. must have missed the mood swing19:07
Tm_Twhat it is?19:08
LjLnepbabu: no, just that you didn't quit when it was last used... i can test you if you want to know19:08
nepbabuLjL, sure. go ahead19:08
nepbabucheers19:08
LjLnepbabu: you're not exploitable19:08
nepbabuLjL, :-)19:08
nepbabuLjL, thanks.19:08
LjLDaviey, think about it for a second. are you able to stop someone who can obtain a virtually infinite amount of different hosts, running an unlimited amount of bots, with every ability to make those bots effectively go unnoticed?19:10
LjLi don't think so.19:10
nepbabuLjL, one last question is that since this DCC feature is not related to router's at all [related to IRC client], why in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit [in fix 2:] you guys mention the firmware of the toure?19:10
DavieySorry, did i say you could?  Don't think i questioned that aspect19:10
LjLi think it's much better to explicitly *allow* such a bot, on the condition that it's identifiable and doesn't log channels that are not supposed to be logged19:10
LjLDaviey, and what i'm saying is we either allow them in, or they'll get in anyway. of course this is only what i think, though.19:11
LjLnepbabu, the bug that causes this problem *is* entirely *related* to the router19:11
LjLnepbabu: it's faulty routers that cause people to disconnected19:11
DavieyThe gripe i have is _communication_ of this change in opinion19:12
nepbabuso this has nothing to do irc protocol LjL ?19:13
LjLDaviey: gee, we talked about this *yesterday* in here with the involved party. to be honest i didn't think they'd catch anything except the main channels for a start, and neither that the logging would be effective from today.19:13
LjLnepbabu: it has to do with the IRC protocol. but it certainly can't be a bug of the IRC protocols... protocols can't have "bugs" =)19:13
nepbabuLjL, well then protocol's implementation. :-)19:13
LjLnepbabu: the router thinks it's smart and opens certain ports for you when it detects an IRC DCC request. but if the request is malformed, it crashes..19:14
LjLnepbabu: no, because the protocol implementation resides on your IRC client and on the IRC server19:14
LjLneither of which has any bug related to this exploit19:14
DavieyLjL: My appologies for not being here xmas day...19:14
LjLDaviey: my apologies for not spending my xmas day writing letters to the ML19:15
LjLthough, no, i didn't mean yesterday. the day before.19:15
Davieyappology accepted19:15
nepbabuLjL, how would a dcc 'syn' make it through the router? it should not afaik19:15
LjLnepbabu: not sure what you mean there19:15
LjLeverything goes through the router, does it not19:16
nepbabuLjL, at the lowest level we have tcp right?19:16
nepbabuLjL, i mean for dcc19:16
LjLnepbabu: at the lowest level we have IP i guess19:16
nepbabuthat's one level below ip :)19:16
* Pici has ethernet cables19:16
nepbabui mean for dcc19:16
LjLnepbabu: usually for "below" i mean low-level protocols, and for "above" i mean higher-level ones, but...19:16
LjLPici: yeah but if we consider the entire connection chain between server and client, the lowest common denominator is IP. anyway...19:17
LjLnepbabu, look, a dcc chat or send is estabilished like this19:17
nepbabuLjL, so.. i was wondering how dcc 'syn' packets from someone else make it through the 'router' when the actual person sitting behind the router hasn't even acknowledged it.19:17
nepbabuLjL, go ahead. =)19:18
LjLnepbabu: 1) one peer sends to the other peer a PRIVMSG (i.e. via the IRC server) containing the DCC request, and a list of ports to be used for estabilishing the DCC connection 2) the other peer tries to connect to the given port19:18
LjLnepbabu: since many routers do stateful inspection, and know that stuff that goes through port 6667 is generally IRC, they "grep" for the DCC request strings19:18
LjLwhen they find one, they open (forward) the ports mentioned there19:19
nepbabuhmm...19:19
LjLso that the DCC transfer can happen even if one is behind a router that doesn't normally allow inbound connections19:19
nepbabuso that means the dcc goes through anyway19:19
nepbabuand now it's left upto the client. huh?19:19
LjLhowever, this "grep" is broken, and also detects strings that are NOT valid DCC requests strings19:19
LjLthese strings make the router crash19:19
LjLnepbabu: when an exploit is being attempted, there is no DCC at all. there's just the PRIVMSG request.19:20
LjLor NOTICE or what it is, i think it's NOTICE really19:20
nepbabuhmm..19:20
nepbabuLjL, is there some documentation i find on this?19:21
LjLDaviey: anyway look, are you a -mythtv op? i think so. are you among the few active ops of the channel? i suspect so. do you want to bot to leave? make it.19:21
LjLnepbabu: no idea19:21
jpatrick!dccexpliot | nepbabu19:22
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dccexpliot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi19:22
Picijpatrick: hes read the page19:22
jpatrickah, sorry19:25
PiciLjL: was he already banned? the nick looked a bit familiar19:31
LjLPici: many times19:31
LjLPici: /mode #ubuntu-ops b19:31
nepbabuLjL, thanks for a good explanation on dcc :-) i couldn't find any specifications though. :(19:40
bmbernieHow do I register my nick?19:49
Pici!register | bmbernie19:50
ubotubmbernie: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration19:50
nepbabubmbernie, also, /msg nickserv help19:51
nepbabuok guys.. laters19:51
PiciBye.19:51
jussi01Hmmm, I would like to see a #kubuntu-kde4 channel - there seem to be so many kde4 q's in #kubuntu. what do you guys think?19:51
effie_jayxhey guys...19:52
effie_jayxcould someone help...19:52
PiciI think that #kubuntu moves at a snails pace compared to #ubuntu, but it might be a good idea, or perhaps a #kubuntu+1 channel19:52
naliothwhat's the matter with #kde4 ?19:52
effie_jayxsomeone left a note on #suse-es19:52
effie_jayxon the topic...19:52
Picieffie_jayx: hrm?19:52
naliothkde4 isn't supported officially, so why not?19:52
effie_jayxit reads.. "this channel is abandoned, you're best bet is to use UBUNTU"19:53
effie_jayxthat's not nice...19:53
jussi01nalioth: its jsut there are so many issues like !brokenkde4 that are specific to our packages19:55
Picieffie_jayx: I'm in #suse-ops, letting them know.19:55
effie_jayxPici: it's just out of decency19:57
naliothwell, kde4 isn't officially supported (even though it's available in the repos) yet19:57
PiciI know. I said "I'm all for getting more people into #ubuntu, but thats not the way of doing it"19:57
effie_jayxthanks Pici19:59
Picieffie_jayx: I'll let you know what I hear, since no one has responded yet.19:59
effie_jayxPici:  strange the state of not carign20:02
effie_jayxcaring...20:02
PiciThey don't own it, seems someone named molinero does.20:03
effie_jayxIf molinero is an ubuntero...20:03
effie_jayxwould he get us into trouble?20:04
PiciI think he'd just get himself in trouble.20:04
effie_jayxhe is a user in kateos20:04
effie_jayxhe owns #kateos-es20:04
effie_jayxbut if pos in suse don't care...20:05
LjLhe's not an ubuntu member so who cares20:07
LjLthe #suse* contacts should probably be notified of that interesting topic though20:07
PiciLjL: I told #suse-ops about it, they didn't really seem to care20:07
LjLPici: maybe it's not under their jurisdiction to begin with20:08
PiciPerhaps20:08
LjLPici: i'll just leave apokryphos a note20:10
LjLhe's an op there20:10
PiciAh, good thinking20:10
effie_jayxLjL:  telling people in #suse ???20:10
LjLeffie_jayx: hm?20:11
effie_jayxmiguel icaza speaks spanish...20:11
effie_jayxand does he not use suse?20:11
LjLeffie_jayx: apokryphos is a #suse operator though20:11
LjLand one we certainly know pretty well20:11
effie_jayxLjL:  great...20:12
effie_jayxI did my thing...20:12
effie_jayx;)20:12
ubotuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, fsanlu said: ubotu.. why is the sky so blue?20:21
ubotuIn ubotu, mitchp said: why is the sky blue20:21
jpatrickit's a reflection of the sea20:22
effie_jayxjpatrick:  it's kde inspired... ??? :D20:26
jpatrickhehe20:28
Amaranthwait, when did we have a meeting to discuss this stupid irseek thing?20:36
TaggardWhat does being a member of the ubuntu project mean?20:36
AmaranthYou mean you want a cloak?20:37
Amaranth!member20:37
ubotuWant to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember20:37
TaggardI don't want a cloak but I want to know what having a member cloak means20:37
Amaranthread that link anyway20:38
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MyrttiI'm still not sure should I apply21:03
GaryAmaranth, nalioth was speaking about it over the last few days21:04
LiraNunahi21:15
LiraNunaI fixed my router long time ago21:15
LjLlet's test21:15
LiraNunaand I get redirected to #ubuntu-read-topic21:15
LjLLiraNuna: you didn't seem to fix it well enough21:16
LiraNunaoh21:16
LiraNunait's not the DCC SEND <long string> ?21:16
LjLyes, it is.21:16
LiraNunawould you care to educate me?21:16
LjLand, don't type that in channels.21:16
LjL!exploit | LiraNuna21:17
ubotuLiraNuna: There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit21:17
LiraNunaI meant more about the inner working of it21:17
LiraNunaI'm intrigued as a coder21:17
LjLLiraNuna, third time i try to explain that to people today... google has answers, really21:18
LiraNunaFix 2: Updating Firmware21:18
LjLwe're not here to teach people exploits21:18
LiraNunafair enough21:18
TaggardSome does exploit -> Router is sad -> Router cry :( and need break from work21:19
LiraNunaI updated my firmware two weeks ago21:20
LiraNunaif I wouldn't have v5.0, I'd install linux on it21:20
LiraNunaFirmware Version: v1.02.221:21
Myrttirouter goes boohoo21:21
Myrtti:-C21:21
Myrttierm *krhmm*21:21
Myrttido continue21:23
* Tm_T hugs Myrtti 21:23
MyrttiLiraNuna: that's life21:24
* jussi01 sends Myrtti nice flowers (friendly) 21:25
Myrttihmmm, where's my Ikea catalogue21:25
LiraNuna:<21:28
LiraNunagood thing people at EFnet didn't find it out21:28
LiraNunaor is it FreeNode spesific? I read that changing port solves it21:28
LjLLiraNuna: it doesn't have anything to do with any specific network. it has to do with the fact that your routers listens on port 6667, but not on 8001, which freenode keeps open to that purpose.21:29
PiciI've seen some irc servers be able to detect and remove people who try to exploit it, but its definitly not freenode specific.21:29
LiraNunaah21:29
LjLLiraNuna, look, meanwhile anyway can you just connect to 8001 so we can let you back in #ubuntu?21:41
LiraNunaI'd rather upgrade my router to fix it instead of avoiding it21:41
LjLLiraNuna, connecting to 8001 will cause no harm anyway. and if you updated it two weeks ago, i doubt there is an update that fixes it.21:41
LiraNunasorry for lurking...21:41
LjLthe exploit's been around for *much* longer than two weeks.21:42
LiraNunameh, brb21:42
LiraNunatest please21:45
white_eagleLjL, please leave me banned for 7 days, to learn my lesson21:53
white_eagleOK?21:53
LjLok21:53
white_eaglethanks21:53
LjLbash.org?21:54
tritiumHow are things, LjL?22:01
LjLafraid i'm getting a cold :|22:02
tritiumOh no!  Sorry to hear that.22:02
LjLat least i made until christmas without one though22:02
tritiumThat is a good thing, yes.22:02
LjLand i made a kewl new bot as christmas present to ubuntuers too :P22:02
effie_jayxPici: #suse-es update... a developer came in .. looked "hmmm"ed and left...22:03
LjLheh22:03
tritiumLjL: is that the IRSeeK one?22:03
LjLtritium: nah that's not mine... mine is in -bots22:03
tritiumah, okay.  What does your bot do?22:04
LjLtritium: everything best22:04
tritiumNice.  Name?22:04
LjLtritium: ^22:04
tritiumhah, great!22:05
LjLwhat's the best tritium?22:05
BestBotLjL, you said tritium? I don't know...22:05
BestBotI know what's the best audio player, irc client, web browser, text editor, BitTorrent client, desktop environment, image editor, video player, shell, package manager, scripting language, login manager, office suite, IRC client, console text editor, calculator, file manager, game (and others with less than 3 votes, type « list all categories » to see them all)22:05
naliothO_O22:05
no0ticdoes irseek continue to log everything?22:05
naliothi know a bot that best be on its way . . .22:05
LjLno0tic: they've just started actually22:05
LjLnalioth: yeah yeah it'll go :P22:05
naliothno0tic: that has been dealt with22:06
naliothno0tic: blog.freenode.net22:06
no0ticLjL, what are you doin'? -bots exists for such things :P22:06
LjL /cs drop #ubuntu-bots22:06
no0ticnalioth, uh, I'm not synced :) I last read freenode recruiting22:06
effie_jayxnalioth:  could you help us with a situation... in #suse-es there is a pretty provocative banner about Ditching SUSE and using Ubuntu...22:36
naliotheffie_jayx: look in #freenode please22:37
effie_jayxnalioth:  cool.. I was just helping him.. ;)22:37
effie_jayxthanjs22:37
naliothtoo much paddling muddies the water22:38
ubotuIn #ubuntu-bots, hdevalence said: !what is the best browser22:42
hdevalenceerr I think I made a mistake in #ubuntu-bots22:43
hdevalenceit gave me a message "Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail"22:44
hdevalenceI didn't want to edit anything22:44
naliothwe know, hdevalence :)22:45
ardchoillehdevalence: In order for that edit to make it into the bot, someone has to look at it and give the bot a command to accept it. Looking at your line shows that it clearly was a mistake and will be overlooked instead of edited. Not a problem.22:45
effie_jayxnalioth: he didn't tell me he was contacting you guys...22:46
effie_jayxdidn't mean to bug22:46
naliothwe're working on it, effie_jayx22:47
* PriceChild waves23:16
ompaulPriceChild, sooooo slow23:17
ompaul:)23:17
PriceChildompaul, I'm sorry :(23:18
PriceChildompaul, What'd you get for Christmas?!?23:19
ompaulstuff I'll list in a mo23:19
PriceChildhehe, firing up paste.ubuntu-nl.org before I remove you for flooding?23:21
ompaulthat is an idea23:21
GaryI got news that i'm gonna be an uncle again :-)))23:23
PriceChildHaha ompaul gave me a pastebin link :)23:26
PriceChildwooo congrats Gary23:26
PriceChildompaul, picz of the hat or it didn't happen23:26
ompaulPriceChild, have a look at this and fear IPv4 dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba023:27
ompaulPriceChild, did I mention the car upgrade23:28
ompaul:)23:28
PriceChildompaul, ah I saw that a month ago or so... really good :D23:28
ompaulPriceChild, the car was last thursday23:28
PriceChildnope23:28
PriceChildhehe its all good23:28
Garyompaul, me wanna see listy too23:33
ompaulGary, woops :P23:33
ubotuscguy318 called the ops in #ubuntu (UNCLETOMM)23:41
PriceChild(just testing chanserv.py is working)23:42
* PriceChild chomps down on some chocolate money23:43
naliothanyone use adv_windowlist.pl ?23:52

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