| ardchoille | Once I learn how to properly create packages, what do I package? Just pick an app that I like, isn't in the repos, and package it? I think I'm a bit confused. | 00:12 |
|---|---|---|
| kenkku | you can also fix bugs, fill requests... | 00:14 |
| kenkku | hell, what do I know | 00:14 |
| kenkku | I just created my first package | 00:14 |
| ardchoille | hehe | 00:15 |
| ardchoille | Fill requests, that sounds cool. Is there a package wish list? | 00:15 |
| kenkku | I have no idea but it would make sense | 00:15 |
| ardchoille | I bet there is one, it's just a matter of finding it. The Kubuntu devs have done things very intelligently, IMHO. | 00:16 |
| === rouzic is now known as rouzic_ausente | ||
| mayeco | it is posible to run a full kde4 session with Xephyr? | 00:37 |
| mhb | it should be. | 00:38 |
| mayeco | how? | 00:38 |
| mayeco | can you please tell me | 00:39 |
| mhb | well you can run "plasma" and "kwin" inside the Xephyr. | 00:40 |
| mhb | not sure how to start the full KDE4 session. | 00:41 |
| mhb | (you usually do that with the "startkde" command, but it is missing in the Kubuntu KDE4 packages, I guess. | 00:41 |
| mayeco | I'm building from svn | 00:43 |
| === Huahua is now known as Shely | ||
| === Che is now known as CheGuevara | ||
| CheGuevara | hey Hobbsee | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | heya! | 02:49 |
| CheGuevara | how is it going? | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | mmm....ok | 02:51 |
| CheGuevara | whats wrong :P | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | if i told you that, i'd have to shoot you. | 02:52 |
| ardchoille | lol | 02:57 |
| CheGuevara | hmmm | 03:00 |
| CheGuevara | i'd rather not know then :P | 03:00 |
| === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 | ||
| jjesse | evening | 03:03 |
| CheGuevara | hey jjesse | 03:03 |
| jjesse | hello CheGuevara | 03:03 |
| jjesse | hello Hobbsee | 03:10 |
| nixternal | lexicographic permutations rock! | 03:30 |
| CheGuevara | hey nixternal :P | 03:33 |
| CheGuevara | damn qt 4.4 is looking good | 03:43 |
| nixternal | so is my bed :) | 03:45 |
| CheGuevara | lol | 03:46 |
| ardchoille | Yurivilca: Please stop spamming chanmnels | 07:06 |
| ardchoille | Someone needs to ban Yurivilca | 07:06 |
| Yurivilca | http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t | 07:07 |
| Yurivilca | Check out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance! | 07:07 |
| ardchoille | If someone would add me to the access list for this channel, I can help take care of things like that. He has been spamming *buntu channels left and right. | 07:07 |
| === marcel__ is now known as marcel | ||
| === jpatrick changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Next meeting: 2nd January | ||
| === rraphink is now known as raphink | ||
| === \sh_away is now known as \sh | ||
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | ||
| jjesse | morning | 13:23 |
| Tm_T | good day | 13:23 |
| mhb | hi | 13:24 |
| jjesse | hello Tm_T and mhb | 13:24 |
| mhb | man, GNOME guys beat us again. | 13:34 |
| jjesse | what this time? | 13:34 |
| mhb | http://www.gnome.org/projects/cheese/ | 13:35 |
| mhb | I wanted that since the first time I saw photo booth on OS X. | 13:35 |
| TheInfinity | mhb: omg this looks loke photo booth in every aspect :o | 13:50 |
| jjesse | ok what is best way to build from svn when i have kde4 installed via kubuntu packages | 13:52 |
| jjesse | just follow everything in techbase? | 13:52 |
| mhb | jjesse: well, build kdelibs, then kdepimlibs, then kdebase. that should be it. | 13:52 |
| jjesse | mhb: do i need to build cmake and qt first? | 13:53 |
| mhb | nope. | 13:53 |
| mhb | not even kdesupport | 13:53 |
| jjesse | ok | 13:54 |
| mhb | jjesse: I am using some of the tips here: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts to set up the environment so that I have a separate build directory for KDE4 | 13:56 |
| mhb | triggering it with the David Faure's scriptie there. | 13:56 |
| jjesse | ok do you run any problems using kde4 as your primary user then? | 13:56 |
| mhb | no. | 13:56 |
| mhb | I'm running it right now. | 13:56 |
| jjesse | ok | 13:57 |
| mhb | except that it is not accessible via KDM. | 13:57 |
| mhb | (because it's in the separate folder and all here) | 13:57 |
| mhb | so I either run a new X server and trigger startkde manually or I start the "failsafe" mode in KDM and then run startkde. | 13:58 |
| fdoving | mhb: you can easily add it to kdm. | 13:58 |
| mhb | I'm sure I could. | 13:58 |
| * mhb is lazy sometimes. | 13:58 | |
| fdoving | make a kde4.desktop in /usr/share/xsessions/ | 14:00 |
| fdoving | with the contents something like: http://kde.pastey.net/79642 | 14:00 |
| fdoving | modified to fit your install. | 14:01 |
| mhb | fdoving: thank you! | 14:06 |
| fdoving | mhb: you're welcome, i also recommend to compile more modules, not just kdelibs, kdepimlibs and kdebase. | 14:07 |
| fdoving | kdegames is one of the more impressing ones. | 14:08 |
| fdoving | also, compiling kdesupport/strigi makes strigidaemon behave much better. | 14:09 |
| Jucato | kpatience looks awesome :) | 14:09 |
| fdoving | so does kmahjongg | 14:10 |
| Jucato | unfortunately I don't know how to play it :) | 14:11 |
| fdoving | read the manual :) | 14:11 |
| Jucato | loil | 14:11 |
| === tmske__ is now known as tmske | ||
| mhb | I must admit, KDE4 is getting cooler by the minute. | 14:15 |
| fdoving | i compile most things without debugfull, so most things are also pretty fast. | 14:19 |
| Jucato | good for you :) | 14:19 |
| Jucato | mine is debugfoolish so... :( | 14:19 |
| jjesse | ok sorry bout that was on the phone | 14:31 |
| jjesse | following the recipe cmakekde do i need ot use that .bashrc on techbase for the command cmakekde ? | 14:32 |
| stdin | yeah | 14:33 |
| jjesse | will that screw anything up with what i have (using kde4 as my primary user) | 14:33 |
| stdin | you could put the bashrc section in another file and just source it when you want to use the commands | 14:34 |
| jjesse | call me stupid, but source it? | 14:35 |
| Jucato | source ~/.bashrc | 14:36 |
| Jucato | . ~/.bashrc | 14:36 |
| jjesse | so then source ~/.bashrc cmakekde? | 14:36 |
| * Jucato points to stdin... more knowledgeable :) | 14:37 | |
| stdin | jjesse: "source <filename>" adds all the variables/functions in that file to the current shell | 14:39 |
| jjesse | stdin: ah ok thanks ;) | 14:39 |
| Tm_T | Jucato <3 | 14:53 |
| * Jucato waves | 14:54 | |
| Jucato | hm.. bbl :) | 14:54 |
| === GoldenPony is now known as DeadParrot | ||
| === DeadParrot is now known as NorwegianBlueDea | ||
| === NorwegianBlueDea is now known as LongPointyStick | ||
| Tm_T | ...and thus, you fail | 15:15 |
| LongPointyStick | The Black Knight always triumps! | 15:16 |
| Jucato | LongPointyStick:!!!!!!!!!! | 15:17 |
| LongPointyStick | hiya Jucato! | 15:17 |
| Jucato | how are ya? | 15:17 |
| LongPointyStick | meh | 15:17 |
| LongPointyStick | the trapdoor idea for work is looking more and more appealing. | 15:17 |
| Jucato | trapdoor for customers? :) | 15:18 |
| LongPointyStick | yes | 15:18 |
| LongPointyStick | with a truck underneath. | 15:18 |
| LongPointyStick | with a mincer in it. | 15:18 |
| LongPointyStick | meat pie, anyone? | 15:18 |
| Jucato | :D | 15:19 |
| jjesse | i like pie | 15:19 |
| Jucato | human pie? :D | 15:19 |
| LongPointyStick | mmm...bones.... | 15:20 |
| LongPointyStick | mmm....brains... | 15:20 |
| Jucato | brains!! | 15:20 |
| Jucato | I need some supplement :) | 15:20 |
| iRon | LongPointyStick: what is your real name? Hannibal Lecter? :) | 15:21 |
| LongPointyStick | iRon: The Great Green Arklesneezer, aka. The Spaghetti Monster. | 15:22 |
| jjesse | wow that was fun love crashes | 15:23 |
| Jucato | :D | 15:23 |
| soc | hi | 15:50 |
| soc | has someone been able to compile kde4 (from subversion) with ubuntu's soprano (1.99~rc2 afaik)? | 15:50 |
| soc | it fails since a week with errors in libdolphinprivate ... | 15:50 |
| soc | it's a problem with soprano | 15:51 |
| soc | i would hate it if i had to start compling things from kdesupport again :-( | 15:51 |
| soc | soprano 1.99 is required to build kdebase, soprano 1.99~rc2 is in ubuntu | 15:51 |
| soc | and now the question is if i'm the only one experiencing that error or if thats a problem with the ubuntu package ... | 15:51 |
| soc | because i'd expect that 1.99 and 1.99~rc2 are compatible else it wouldn't make sense to put soprano in there, if nothing compiles with it anymore ... | 15:51 |
| soc | does somebody have an idea= | 15:52 |
| iRon | soc: i use soprano from kdesupport | 15:53 |
| soc | i would be happy if i wouldn't have to compile kdesupport, last time i did that, i was forced to run configure and make with root because it wanted to put things all across my filesystem ... | 15:54 |
| iRon | hm.. i've just compiled soprano -> $ cs kdesupport/soprano; cmakekde | 15:56 |
| iRon | not all kdesupport | 15:56 |
| soc | ah, ok | 15:58 |
| soc | i use the kdesvn-build script, have to figure out how that works ... | 15:58 |
| soc | although i would be happy to get it running without messing aroung with these low-level libraries ... | 15:59 |
| iRon | soc: just wait 14 days for release :) | 16:02 |
| soc | iRon: then i won't have it to compile from source at all :-( | 16:05 |
| soc | i don't think it will be usable yet ... | 16:05 |
| jpatrick | it gets better everyday | 16:06 |
| soc | yes, but imo to give plasma it's own design capabilities was a bad decision ... | 16:06 |
| soc | i can change the widget style for instance, plasma doesn't care about it ... | 16:07 |
| Jucato | it shouldn't really | 16:08 |
| Jucato | or maybe it will | 16:08 |
| Jucato | technically they can't, not until Qt 4.4 (QWidgets on Canvas) | 16:08 |
| soc | this is what i hated back in my win os days ... | 16:08 |
| Jucato | (but to superkaramba themes follow kde3 styles?) | 16:08 |
| soc | "what? you changed some settings? guess what? i won't care" | 16:09 |
| soc | Jucato: did you use superkaramba for panels? | 16:09 |
| Jucato | if there were good ones, I would :) | 16:09 |
| Tm_T | hi kids | 16:09 |
| Jucato | or rather, if they worked well too :) | 16:09 |
| Jucato | there was one time that I did. I forgot the SK-dock theme... | 16:10 |
| soc | and i guess that's the problem with plasma | 16:10 |
| soc | from common sense, panels belong to the windows and their contents, and not to some 3d-widgets or gadgets, or whatever theya are called | 16:11 |
| Jucato | panels belong to what? | 16:11 |
| * Jucato scratches his head | 16:11 | |
| soc | panels belong to the windows and their contents | 16:11 |
| Jucato | panels belong to the desktop. or are you confusing toolbars in windows? | 16:12 |
| soc | no | 16:12 |
| soc | i don't mean the placement, i mean the semantics | 16:14 |
| Jucato | I meant the same | 16:14 |
| soc | for instance you have that bar, where you can choose your window | 16:14 |
| soc | window list or what it is called in kde | 16:15 |
| soc | does it make sense if now the window list looks _completely_ different that the windows you're choosing | 16:15 |
| soc | imo, no | 16:15 |
| * Jucato sees falling hair from scratching head too strongly | 16:16 | |
| soc | panels belong to the usability area, not too the nifty 3d-bling i-can-rotate-that desktop effects area | 16:17 |
| soc | Jucato: i don't know what is so difficult about it ... | 16:17 |
| soc | Jucato: try changing your widget engine or just the color ... | 16:18 |
| soc | the window contents AND the panel will change | 16:18 |
| Jucato | you seem to be confusing and mixing a lot of concepts and stuff | 16:18 |
| Jucato | but I'll leave you to your concepts and stuff :) | 16:18 |
| soc | they show, that they belong together in some sense, because they follow the same settings | 16:19 |
| soc | with plasma this link is broken | 16:19 |
| soc | interlinked elements look completely now and follow different settings | 16:19 |
| soc | interlinked elements look completely different now and follow different settings | 16:20 |
| === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick | ||
| mhb | hmm | 16:56 |
| mhb | remind me to hold jjesse at gun-point until he adds his blog to planet ubuntu :o) | 16:58 |
| jpatrick | ok mhb | 16:58 |
| Lure_ | jjesse: why is your blog not on planet? | 17:46 |
| === Lure_ is now known as Lure | ||
| jjesse | Lure: because i've never spent the time to add it :) | 17:47 |
| Lure | jjesse: you should ;-) | 17:48 |
| jjesse | Lure: that's what several people have told me recently, one of my goals for the holidya | 17:48 |
| Lure | jjesse: it looks easy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu | 17:49 |
| mhb | jjesse: ah, here you are | 17:49 |
| mhb | 17:58 < mhb> remind me to hold jjesse at gun-point until he adds his blog to planet ubuntu :o) | 17:49 |
| jjesse | hello mhb | 17:49 |
| === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger | ||
| jjesse | grin :) | 17:49 |
| mhb | you really should do it. | 17:49 |
| mhb | it's just one second commit, IIRC. | 17:49 |
| mhb | and you don't bother anyone. | 17:50 |
| jjesse | will do it this afternoon :) | 17:50 |
| mhb | groovy | 17:51 |
| jjesse | hrmm i don't have a hackergotchi | 17:51 |
| Lure | Jucato's post reminded me that I need to respond to e-mail from Scott | 17:51 |
| * jjesse heads afk for a bit | 17:52 | |
| mhb | jjesse: you don't have to have one. | 17:56 |
| mhb | jjesse: you get a generic face, tho :o) | 17:56 |
| dinosaur-rus | hi all | 18:27 |
| cheguevara_ | hi dinosaur-rus | 18:35 |
| cheguevara_ | or privet :P | 18:35 |
| dinosaur-rus | :) | 18:38 |
| dinosaur-rus | haven't been here for a while :) | 18:38 |
| cheguevara_ | :) | 18:39 |
| cheguevara_ | the more Russian-speaking people the better :P | 18:39 |
| dinosaur-rus | well, I'll be back when 7.04 -> 7.10 update is complete ;) | 18:44 |
| dasKreech | so what happens when KDM depends on plasma? | 18:48 |
| dasKreech | manchicken: bye bye SCO :) | 18:51 |
| manchicken | ? | 18:51 |
| cheguevara_ | http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/LATH02827122007-1.htm | 18:51 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: bug 178926 is about the ipod stuff | 19:02 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 178926 in gutsy-backports "Please backport libgpod 0.6.0 from hardy to gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178926 | 19:02 |
| jpatrick | https://launchpad.net/bugs/178926 [20:02:59] [jpatrick(+6ei)] [3:Freenode/#kubuntu-devel(+cnz)] [Act: 6,8,10,11,12,13,15] | 19:02 |
| jpatrick | arg | 19:03 |
| * apachelogger gives jpatrick a cookie | 19:05 | |
| * jpatrick blames mouse | 19:06 | |
| wolfger | hey all. Is this an appropriate place for a Kubuntu-related (sort of) motu question? | 19:15 |
| jpatrick | yep | 19:15 |
| wolfger | I'm trying to create a package for a new app (MeMaker) that "just works" for the Ubuntu folks, but has some unmet dependencies in Kubuntu... | 19:16 |
| wolfger | any easy way to figure out what those dependencies are? | 19:17 |
| jpatrick | very odd | 19:20 |
| jpatrick | wolfger: what do you have in Depends: ? | 19:23 |
| wolfger | nothing yet. That's what I'm trying to figure. On my main system I figured out two dependencies (librsvg2-common and python-imaging), but this morning I tried to run this app on a fresh install, and there's more dependencies that I can't find. | 19:24 |
| wolfger | those two alone don't do it | 19:25 |
| jpatrick | wolfger: Depends: ${shlib:Depends} | 19:25 |
| jpatrick | that way it'll calculate dependencies it needs by itself | 19:25 |
| wolfger | oh, ok. | 19:25 |
| wolfger | I didn't know it worked like that | 19:26 |
| wolfger | thanks | 19:26 |
| jpatrick | that should be ${shlibs:Depends} | 19:26 |
| jpatrick | wolfger: see man:/dh_shlibdeps in konqueror | 19:27 |
| wolfger | cool | 19:29 |
| jpatrick | otherwise us packagers would have hell trying to guess what libraries a package would need | 19:30 |
| wolfger | :-D | 19:30 |
| kenkku | jpatrick: don't packagers have a hell with everything anyway? | 19:31 |
| jpatrick | kenkku: I don't (most of the time) | 19:32 |
| kenkku | jpatrick: ok, congratulations ;) | 19:32 |
| jpatrick | kenkku: years of experience ;) | 19:32 |
| * jpatrick goes to learn QtRuby | 19:45 | |
| jjesse | hrmm ok trying to compile kdelibs and getting an error that soprano version 1.98.0 is too old | 19:45 |
| jjesse | i have the kde4 packages of kubntu installed what package do i remove? | 19:45 |
| jpatrick | libsoprano I think | 19:46 |
| jjesse | libsoprano4? | 19:46 |
| jpatrick | probably | 19:46 |
| jpatrick | It's in kdesupport | 19:46 |
| jjesse | hrm wants to remove all of my kde4 packages | 19:46 |
| jpatrick | yep | 19:46 |
| jpatrick | but if you're building SVN that's not a probelm | 19:46 |
| jjesse | ok | 19:47 |
| jjesse | hrm now that i removed libsoprano and then started building kde again and now getting kde4-config not found | 20:46 |
| jjesse | any ideas? | 20:46 |
| jjesse | on building kdepimlibs | 20:46 |
| jpatrick | did you build kdesupport? :/ | 20:47 |
| jjesse | yes i did, and ends with makeobj[0]: leaving directory | 20:47 |
| jjesse | mhb: added my blog to planet ubuntu and just commited the change | 20:58 |
| dinosaur-rus | hi again | 20:59 |
| jjesse | ok i can get kdesupport and kdelibs to build correctly | 21:00 |
| jpatrick | no idea | 21:00 |
| jjesse | who else wanted me to add myself to planet ubuntu? | 21:01 |
| jpatrick | +1 | 21:04 |
| dinosaur-rus | somebody please help me disable bootsplash | 21:05 |
| jpatrick | dinosaur-rus: support in #kubuntu | 21:06 |
| jjesse | jpatrick: ok all added and commited to planet.ubuntu.com now | 21:06 |
| dinosaur-rus | jpatrick: it was disabled before I upgraded to 7.10 (was 7.04), but I forgot how to disable it again :P | 21:07 |
| jpatrick | mhb: my job is done | 21:07 |
| jjesse | jpatrick: wheren't you holding the gunto my head? | 21:07 |
| jpatrick | jjesse: he was ;) | 21:07 |
| jjesse | ah couldn't remember | 21:07 |
| jjesse | brb | 21:07 |
| mhb | :o) | 21:08 |
| mhb | jpatrick: nice | 21:08 |
| mhb | good job | 21:09 |
| jpatrick | \o_ | 21:09 |
| jjesse | ah i can see my posts now on planet.ubuntu.com :) | 21:10 |
| jpatrick | lots more readers | 21:10 |
| jpatrick | jjesse: looks like there's a kde doc helpful on ubuntu-doc ml | 21:12 |
| jjesse | jpatrick: for my compiling problems? | 21:13 |
| jpatrick | jjesse: ..doc.. | 21:13 |
| jjesse | oh yeah sorry | 21:13 |
| jjesse | just saw it | 21:13 |
| dinosaur-rus | I guess it'd be nice to be able to view list of unreferenced packages in Adept | 21:46 |
| mhb | nice answer Lure_ | 23:34 |
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