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ardchoilleOnce I learn how to properly create packages, what do I package? Just pick an app that I like, isn't in the repos, and package it? I think I'm a bit confused.00:12
kenkkuyou can also fix bugs, fill requests...00:14
kenkkuhell, what do I know00:14
kenkkuI just created my first package00:14
ardchoillehehe00:15
ardchoilleFill requests, that sounds cool. Is there a package wish list?00:15
kenkkuI have no idea but it would make sense00:15
ardchoilleI bet there is one, it's just a matter of finding it. The Kubuntu devs have done things very intelligently, IMHO.00:16
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mayecoit is posible to run a full kde4 session with Xephyr?00:37
mhbit should be.00:38
mayecohow?00:38
mayecocan you please tell me00:39
mhbwell you can run "plasma" and "kwin" inside the Xephyr.00:40
mhbnot sure how to start the full KDE4 session.00:41
mhb(you usually do that with the "startkde" command, but it is missing in the Kubuntu KDE4 packages, I guess.00:41
mayecoI'm building from svn00:43
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CheGuevarahey Hobbsee02:48
Hobbseeheya!02:49
CheGuevarahow is it going?02:50
Hobbseemmm....ok02:51
CheGuevarawhats wrong :P02:51
Hobbseeif i told you that, i'd have to shoot you.02:52
ardchoillelol02:57
CheGuevarahmmm03:00
CheGuevarai'd rather not know then :P03:00
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jjesseevening03:03
CheGuevarahey jjesse03:03
jjessehello CheGuevara03:03
jjessehello Hobbsee03:10
nixternallexicographic permutations rock!03:30
CheGuevarahey nixternal :P03:33
CheGuevaradamn qt 4.4 is looking good03:43
nixternalso is my bed :)03:45
CheGuevaralol03:46
ardchoilleYurivilca: Please stop spamming chanmnels07:06
ardchoilleSomeone needs to ban Yurivilca07:06
Yurivilcahttp://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t07:07
YurivilcaCheck out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance!07:07
ardchoilleIf someone would add me to the access list for this channel, I can help take care of things like that. He has been spamming *buntu channels left and right.07:07
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jjessemorning13:23
Tm_Tgood day13:23
mhbhi13:24
jjessehello Tm_T and mhb13:24
mhbman, GNOME guys beat us again.13:34
jjessewhat this time?13:34
mhbhttp://www.gnome.org/projects/cheese/13:35
mhbI wanted that since the first time I saw photo booth on OS X.13:35
TheInfinitymhb: omg this looks loke photo booth in every aspect :o13:50
jjesseok what is best way to build from svn when i have kde4 installed via kubuntu packages13:52
jjessejust follow everything in techbase?13:52
mhbjjesse: well, build kdelibs, then kdepimlibs, then kdebase. that should be it.13:52
jjessemhb: do i need to build cmake and qt first?13:53
mhbnope.13:53
mhbnot even kdesupport13:53
jjesseok13:54
mhbjjesse: I am using some of the tips here: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts to set up the environment so that I have a separate build directory for KDE413:56
mhbtriggering it with the David Faure's scriptie there.13:56
jjesseok do you run any problems using kde4 as your primary user then?13:56
mhbno.13:56
mhbI'm running it right now.13:56
jjesseok13:57
mhbexcept that it is not accessible via KDM.13:57
mhb(because it's in the separate folder and all here)13:57
mhbso I either run a new X server and trigger startkde manually or I start the "failsafe" mode in KDM and then run startkde.13:58
fdovingmhb: you can easily add it to kdm.13:58
mhbI'm sure I could.13:58
* mhb is lazy sometimes.13:58
fdovingmake a kde4.desktop in /usr/share/xsessions/14:00
fdovingwith the contents something like: http://kde.pastey.net/7964214:00
fdovingmodified to fit your install.14:01
mhbfdoving: thank you!14:06
fdovingmhb: you're welcome, i also recommend to compile more modules, not just kdelibs, kdepimlibs and kdebase.14:07
fdovingkdegames is one of the more impressing ones.14:08
fdovingalso, compiling kdesupport/strigi makes strigidaemon behave much better.14:09
Jucatokpatience looks awesome :)14:09
fdovingso does kmahjongg14:10
Jucatounfortunately I don't know how to play it :)14:11
fdovingread the manual :)14:11
Jucatoloil14:11
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mhbI must admit, KDE4 is getting cooler by the minute.14:15
fdovingi compile most things without debugfull, so most things are also pretty fast.14:19
Jucatogood for you :)14:19
Jucatomine is debugfoolish so... :(14:19
jjesseok sorry bout that was on the phone14:31
jjessefollowing the recipe cmakekde do i  need ot use that .bashrc on techbase for the command cmakekde ?14:32
stdinyeah14:33
jjessewill that screw anything up with what i have (using kde4 as my primary user)14:33
stdinyou could put the bashrc section in another file and just source it when you want to use the commands14:34
jjessecall me stupid, but source it?14:35
Jucatosource ~/.bashrc14:36
Jucato. ~/.bashrc14:36
jjesseso then source ~/.bashrc cmakekde?14:36
* Jucato points to stdin... more knowledgeable :)14:37
stdinjjesse: "source <filename>" adds all the variables/functions in that file to the current shell14:39
jjessestdin: ah ok thanks ;)14:39
Tm_TJucato <314:53
* Jucato waves14:54
Jucatohm.. bbl :)14:54
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Tm_T...and thus, you fail15:15
LongPointyStickThe Black Knight always triumps!15:16
JucatoLongPointyStick:!!!!!!!!!!15:17
LongPointyStickhiya Jucato!15:17
Jucatohow are ya?15:17
LongPointyStickmeh15:17
LongPointyStickthe trapdoor idea for work is looking more and more appealing.15:17
Jucatotrapdoor for customers? :)15:18
LongPointyStickyes15:18
LongPointyStickwith a truck underneath.15:18
LongPointyStickwith a mincer in it.15:18
LongPointyStickmeat pie, anyone?15:18
Jucato:D15:19
jjessei like pie15:19
Jucatohuman pie? :D15:19
LongPointyStickmmm...bones....15:20
LongPointyStickmmm....brains...15:20
Jucatobrains!!15:20
JucatoI  need some supplement :)15:20
iRonLongPointyStick: what is your real name? Hannibal Lecter? :)15:21
LongPointyStickiRon: The Great Green Arklesneezer, aka.  The Spaghetti Monster.15:22
jjessewow that was fun love crashes15:23
Jucato:D15:23
sochi15:50
sochas someone been able to compile kde4 (from subversion) with ubuntu's soprano (1.99~rc2 afaik)?15:50
socit fails since a week with errors in libdolphinprivate ...15:50
socit's a problem with soprano15:51
soci would hate it if i had to start compling things from kdesupport again :-(15:51
socsoprano 1.99 is required to build kdebase, soprano 1.99~rc2 is in ubuntu15:51
socand now the question is if i'm the only one experiencing that error or if thats a problem with the ubuntu package ...15:51
socbecause i'd expect that 1.99 and 1.99~rc2 are compatible else it wouldn't make sense to put soprano in there, if nothing compiles with it anymore ...15:51
socdoes somebody have an idea=15:52
iRonsoc: i use soprano from kdesupport15:53
soci would be happy if i wouldn't have to compile kdesupport, last time i did that, i was forced to run configure and make with root because it wanted to put things all across my filesystem ...15:54
iRonhm.. i've just compiled soprano -> $ cs kdesupport/soprano; cmakekde15:56
iRonnot all kdesupport15:56
socah, ok15:58
soci use the kdesvn-build script, have to figure out how that works ...15:58
socalthough i would be happy to get it running without messing aroung with these low-level libraries ...15:59
iRonsoc: just wait 14 days for release :)16:02
sociRon: then i won't have it to compile from source at all :-(16:05
soci don't think it will be usable yet ...16:05
jpatrickit gets better everyday16:06
socyes, but imo to give plasma it's own design capabilities was a bad decision ...16:06
soci can change the widget style for instance, plasma doesn't care about it ...16:07
Jucatoit shouldn't really16:08
Jucatoor maybe it will16:08
Jucatotechnically they can't, not until Qt 4.4 (QWidgets on Canvas)16:08
socthis is what i hated back in my win os days ...16:08
Jucato(but to superkaramba themes follow kde3 styles?)16:08
soc"what? you changed some settings? guess what? i won't care"16:09
socJucato: did you use superkaramba for panels?16:09
Jucatoif there were good ones, I would :)16:09
Tm_Thi kids16:09
Jucatoor rather, if they worked well too :)16:09
Jucatothere was one time that I did. I forgot the SK-dock theme...16:10
socand i guess that's the problem with plasma16:10
socfrom common sense, panels belong to the windows and their contents, and not to some 3d-widgets or gadgets, or whatever theya are called16:11
Jucatopanels belong to what?16:11
* Jucato scratches his head16:11
socpanels belong to the windows and their contents16:11
Jucatopanels belong to the desktop. or are you confusing toolbars in windows?16:12
socno16:12
soci don't mean the placement, i mean the semantics16:14
JucatoI meant the same16:14
socfor instance you have that bar, where you can choose your window16:14
socwindow list or what it is called in kde16:15
socdoes it make sense if now the window list looks _completely_ different that the windows you're choosing16:15
socimo, no16:15
* Jucato sees falling hair from scratching head too strongly16:16
socpanels belong to the usability area, not too the nifty 3d-bling i-can-rotate-that desktop effects area16:17
socJucato: i don't know what is so difficult about it ...16:17
socJucato: try changing your widget engine or just the color ...16:18
socthe window contents AND the panel will change16:18
Jucatoyou seem to be confusing and mixing a lot of concepts and stuff16:18
Jucatobut I'll leave you to your concepts and stuff :)16:18
socthey show, that they belong together in some sense, because they follow the same settings16:19
socwith plasma this link is broken16:19
socinterlinked elements look completely now and follow different settings16:19
socinterlinked elements look completely different now and follow different settings16:20
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mhbhmm16:56
mhbremind me to hold jjesse at gun-point until he adds his blog to planet ubuntu :o)16:58
jpatrickok mhb16:58
Lure_jjesse: why is your blog not on planet?17:46
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jjesseLure: because i've never spent the time to add it :)17:47
Lurejjesse: you should ;-)17:48
jjesseLure: that's what several people have told me recently, one of my goals for the holidya17:48
Lurejjesse: it looks easy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu17:49
mhbjjesse: ah, here you are17:49
mhb17:58 < mhb> remind me to hold jjesse at gun-point until he adds his blog to planet ubuntu :o)17:49
jjessehello mhb17:49
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jjessegrin :)17:49
mhbyou really should do it.17:49
mhbit's just one second commit, IIRC.17:49
mhband you don't bother anyone.17:50
jjessewill do it this afternoon :)17:50
mhbgroovy17:51
jjessehrmm i don't have a hackergotchi17:51
LureJucato's post reminded me that I need to respond to e-mail from Scott17:51
* jjesse heads afk for a bit17:52
mhbjjesse: you don't have to have one.17:56
mhbjjesse: you get a generic face, tho :o)17:56
dinosaur-rushi all18:27
cheguevara_hi dinosaur-rus18:35
cheguevara_or privet :P18:35
dinosaur-rus:)18:38
dinosaur-rushaven't been here for a while :)18:38
cheguevara_:)18:39
cheguevara_the more Russian-speaking people the better :P18:39
dinosaur-ruswell, I'll be back when 7.04 -> 7.10 update is complete ;)18:44
dasKreechso what happens when KDM depends on plasma?18:48
dasKreechmanchicken: bye bye SCO :)18:51
manchicken?18:51
cheguevara_http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/LATH02827122007-1.htm18:51
apacheloggerScottK: bug 178926 is about the ipod stuff19:02
ubotuLaunchpad bug 178926 in gutsy-backports "Please backport libgpod 0.6.0 from hardy to gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17892619:02
jpatrickhttps://launchpad.net/bugs/178926 [20:02:59] [jpatrick(+6ei)] [3:Freenode/#kubuntu-devel(+cnz)] [Act: 6,8,10,11,12,13,15]19:02
jpatrickarg19:03
* apachelogger gives jpatrick a cookie19:05
* jpatrick blames mouse19:06
wolfgerhey all. Is this an appropriate place for a Kubuntu-related (sort of) motu question?19:15
jpatrickyep19:15
wolfgerI'm trying to create a package for a new app (MeMaker) that "just works" for the Ubuntu folks, but has some unmet dependencies in Kubuntu...19:16
wolfgerany easy way to figure out what those dependencies are?19:17
jpatrickvery odd19:20
jpatrickwolfger: what do you have in Depends: ?19:23
wolfgernothing yet. That's what I'm trying to figure. On my main system I figured out two dependencies (librsvg2-common and python-imaging), but this morning I tried to run this app on a fresh install, and there's more dependencies that I can't find.19:24
wolfgerthose two alone don't do it19:25
jpatrickwolfger: Depends: ${shlib:Depends}19:25
jpatrickthat way it'll calculate dependencies it needs by itself19:25
wolfgeroh, ok.19:25
wolfgerI didn't know it worked like that19:26
wolfgerthanks19:26
jpatrickthat should be ${shlibs:Depends}19:26
jpatrickwolfger: see man:/dh_shlibdeps in konqueror19:27
wolfgercool19:29
jpatrickotherwise us packagers would have hell trying to guess what libraries a package would need19:30
wolfger:-D19:30
kenkkujpatrick: don't packagers have a hell with everything anyway?19:31
jpatrickkenkku: I don't (most of the time)19:32
kenkkujpatrick: ok, congratulations ;)19:32
jpatrickkenkku: years of experience ;)19:32
* jpatrick goes to learn QtRuby19:45
jjessehrmm ok trying to compile kdelibs and getting an error that soprano version 1.98.0 is too old19:45
jjessei have the kde4 packages of kubntu installed what package do i remove?19:45
jpatricklibsoprano I think19:46
jjesselibsoprano4?19:46
jpatrickprobably19:46
jpatrickIt's in kdesupport19:46
jjessehrm wants to remove all of my kde4 packages19:46
jpatrickyep19:46
jpatrickbut if you're building SVN that's not a probelm19:46
jjesseok19:47
jjessehrm now that i removed libsoprano and then started building kde again and now getting kde4-config not found20:46
jjesseany ideas?20:46
jjesseon building kdepimlibs20:46
jpatrickdid you build kdesupport? :/20:47
jjesseyes i did, and ends with makeobj[0]: leaving directory20:47
jjessemhb: added my blog to planet ubuntu and just commited the change20:58
dinosaur-rushi again20:59
jjesseok i can get kdesupport and kdelibs to build correctly21:00
jpatrickno idea21:00
jjessewho else wanted me to add myself to planet ubuntu?21:01
jpatrick+121:04
dinosaur-russomebody please help me disable bootsplash21:05
jpatrickdinosaur-rus: support in #kubuntu21:06
jjessejpatrick: ok all added and commited to planet.ubuntu.com now21:06
dinosaur-rusjpatrick: it was disabled before I upgraded to 7.10 (was 7.04), but I forgot how to disable it again :P21:07
jpatrickmhb: my job is done21:07
jjessejpatrick: wheren't you holding the gunto my head?21:07
jpatrickjjesse: he was ;)21:07
jjesseah couldn't remember21:07
jjessebrb21:07
mhb:o)21:08
mhbjpatrick: nice21:08
mhbgood job21:09
jpatrick\o_21:09
jjesseah i can see my posts now on planet.ubuntu.com :)21:10
jpatricklots more readers21:10
jpatrickjjesse: looks like there's a kde doc helpful on ubuntu-doc ml21:12
jjessejpatrick: for my compiling problems?21:13
jpatrickjjesse: ..doc..21:13
jjesseoh yeah sorry21:13
jjessejust saw it21:13
dinosaur-rusI guess it'd be nice to be able to view list of unreferenced packages in Adept21:46
mhbnice answer Lure_23:34

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