[00:12] Once I learn how to properly create packages, what do I package? Just pick an app that I like, isn't in the repos, and package it? I think I'm a bit confused. [00:14] you can also fix bugs, fill requests... [00:14] hell, what do I know [00:14] I just created my first package [00:15] hehe [00:15] Fill requests, that sounds cool. Is there a package wish list? [00:15] I have no idea but it would make sense [00:16] I bet there is one, it's just a matter of finding it. The Kubuntu devs have done things very intelligently, IMHO. === rouzic is now known as rouzic_ausente [00:37] it is posible to run a full kde4 session with Xephyr? [00:38] it should be. [00:38] how? [00:39] can you please tell me [00:40] well you can run "plasma" and "kwin" inside the Xephyr. [00:41] not sure how to start the full KDE4 session. [00:41] (you usually do that with the "startkde" command, but it is missing in the Kubuntu KDE4 packages, I guess. [00:43] I'm building from svn === Huahua is now known as Shely === Che is now known as CheGuevara [02:48] hey Hobbsee [02:49] heya! [02:50] how is it going? [02:51] mmm....ok [02:51] whats wrong :P [02:52] if i told you that, i'd have to shoot you. [02:57] lol [03:00] hmmm [03:00] i'd rather not know then :P === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [03:03] evening [03:03] hey jjesse [03:03] hello CheGuevara [03:10] hello Hobbsee [03:30] lexicographic permutations rock! [03:33] hey nixternal :P [03:43] damn qt 4.4 is looking good [03:45] so is my bed :) [03:46] lol [07:06] Yurivilca: Please stop spamming chanmnels [07:06] Someone needs to ban Yurivilca [07:07] http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t [07:07] Check out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance! [07:07] If someone would add me to the access list for this channel, I can help take care of things like that. He has been spamming *buntu channels left and right. === marcel__ is now known as marcel === jpatrick changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Next meeting: 2nd January === rraphink is now known as raphink === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away [13:23] morning [13:23] good day [13:24] hi [13:24] hello Tm_T and mhb [13:34] man, GNOME guys beat us again. [13:34] what this time? [13:35] http://www.gnome.org/projects/cheese/ [13:35] I wanted that since the first time I saw photo booth on OS X. [13:50] mhb: omg this looks loke photo booth in every aspect :o [13:52] ok what is best way to build from svn when i have kde4 installed via kubuntu packages [13:52] just follow everything in techbase? [13:52] jjesse: well, build kdelibs, then kdepimlibs, then kdebase. that should be it. [13:53] mhb: do i need to build cmake and qt first? [13:53] nope. [13:53] not even kdesupport [13:54] ok [13:56] jjesse: I am using some of the tips here: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts to set up the environment so that I have a separate build directory for KDE4 [13:56] triggering it with the David Faure's scriptie there. [13:56] ok do you run any problems using kde4 as your primary user then? [13:56] no. [13:56] I'm running it right now. [13:57] ok [13:57] except that it is not accessible via KDM. [13:57] (because it's in the separate folder and all here) [13:58] so I either run a new X server and trigger startkde manually or I start the "failsafe" mode in KDM and then run startkde. [13:58] mhb: you can easily add it to kdm. [13:58] I'm sure I could. [13:58] * mhb is lazy sometimes. [14:00] make a kde4.desktop in /usr/share/xsessions/ [14:00] with the contents something like: http://kde.pastey.net/79642 [14:01] modified to fit your install. [14:06] fdoving: thank you! [14:07] mhb: you're welcome, i also recommend to compile more modules, not just kdelibs, kdepimlibs and kdebase. [14:08] kdegames is one of the more impressing ones. [14:09] also, compiling kdesupport/strigi makes strigidaemon behave much better. [14:09] kpatience looks awesome :) [14:10] so does kmahjongg [14:11] unfortunately I don't know how to play it :) [14:11] read the manual :) [14:11] loil === tmske__ is now known as tmske [14:15] I must admit, KDE4 is getting cooler by the minute. [14:19] i compile most things without debugfull, so most things are also pretty fast. [14:19] good for you :) [14:19] mine is debugfoolish so... :( [14:31] ok sorry bout that was on the phone [14:32] following the recipe cmakekde do i need ot use that .bashrc on techbase for the command cmakekde ? [14:33] yeah [14:33] will that screw anything up with what i have (using kde4 as my primary user) [14:34] you could put the bashrc section in another file and just source it when you want to use the commands [14:35] call me stupid, but source it? [14:36] source ~/.bashrc [14:36] . ~/.bashrc [14:36] so then source ~/.bashrc cmakekde? [14:37] * Jucato points to stdin... more knowledgeable :) [14:39] jjesse: "source " adds all the variables/functions in that file to the current shell [14:39] stdin: ah ok thanks ;) [14:53] Jucato <3 [14:54] * Jucato waves [14:54] hm.. bbl :) === GoldenPony is now known as DeadParrot === DeadParrot is now known as NorwegianBlueDea === NorwegianBlueDea is now known as LongPointyStick [15:15] ...and thus, you fail [15:16] The Black Knight always triumps! [15:17] LongPointyStick:!!!!!!!!!! [15:17] hiya Jucato! [15:17] how are ya? [15:17] meh [15:17] the trapdoor idea for work is looking more and more appealing. [15:18] trapdoor for customers? :) [15:18] yes [15:18] with a truck underneath. [15:18] with a mincer in it. [15:18] meat pie, anyone? [15:19] :D [15:19] i like pie [15:19] human pie? :D [15:20] mmm...bones.... [15:20] mmm....brains... [15:20] brains!! [15:20] I need some supplement :) [15:21] LongPointyStick: what is your real name? Hannibal Lecter? :) [15:22] iRon: The Great Green Arklesneezer, aka. The Spaghetti Monster. [15:23] wow that was fun love crashes [15:23] :D [15:50] hi [15:50] has someone been able to compile kde4 (from subversion) with ubuntu's soprano (1.99~rc2 afaik)? [15:50] it fails since a week with errors in libdolphinprivate ... [15:51] it's a problem with soprano [15:51] i would hate it if i had to start compling things from kdesupport again :-( [15:51] soprano 1.99 is required to build kdebase, soprano 1.99~rc2 is in ubuntu [15:51] and now the question is if i'm the only one experiencing that error or if thats a problem with the ubuntu package ... [15:51] because i'd expect that 1.99 and 1.99~rc2 are compatible else it wouldn't make sense to put soprano in there, if nothing compiles with it anymore ... [15:52] does somebody have an idea= [15:53] soc: i use soprano from kdesupport [15:54] i would be happy if i wouldn't have to compile kdesupport, last time i did that, i was forced to run configure and make with root because it wanted to put things all across my filesystem ... [15:56] hm.. i've just compiled soprano -> $ cs kdesupport/soprano; cmakekde [15:56] not all kdesupport [15:58] ah, ok [15:58] i use the kdesvn-build script, have to figure out how that works ... [15:59] although i would be happy to get it running without messing aroung with these low-level libraries ... [16:02] soc: just wait 14 days for release :) [16:05] iRon: then i won't have it to compile from source at all :-( [16:05] i don't think it will be usable yet ... [16:06] it gets better everyday [16:06] yes, but imo to give plasma it's own design capabilities was a bad decision ... [16:07] i can change the widget style for instance, plasma doesn't care about it ... [16:08] it shouldn't really [16:08] or maybe it will [16:08] technically they can't, not until Qt 4.4 (QWidgets on Canvas) [16:08] this is what i hated back in my win os days ... [16:08] (but to superkaramba themes follow kde3 styles?) [16:09] "what? you changed some settings? guess what? i won't care" [16:09] Jucato: did you use superkaramba for panels? [16:09] if there were good ones, I would :) [16:09] hi kids [16:09] or rather, if they worked well too :) [16:10] there was one time that I did. I forgot the SK-dock theme... [16:10] and i guess that's the problem with plasma [16:11] from common sense, panels belong to the windows and their contents, and not to some 3d-widgets or gadgets, or whatever theya are called [16:11] panels belong to what? [16:11] * Jucato scratches his head [16:11] panels belong to the windows and their contents [16:12] panels belong to the desktop. or are you confusing toolbars in windows? [16:12] no [16:14] i don't mean the placement, i mean the semantics [16:14] I meant the same [16:14] for instance you have that bar, where you can choose your window [16:15] window list or what it is called in kde [16:15] does it make sense if now the window list looks _completely_ different that the windows you're choosing [16:15] imo, no [16:16] * Jucato sees falling hair from scratching head too strongly [16:17] panels belong to the usability area, not too the nifty 3d-bling i-can-rotate-that desktop effects area [16:17] Jucato: i don't know what is so difficult about it ... [16:18] Jucato: try changing your widget engine or just the color ... [16:18] the window contents AND the panel will change [16:18] you seem to be confusing and mixing a lot of concepts and stuff [16:18] but I'll leave you to your concepts and stuff :) [16:19] they show, that they belong together in some sense, because they follow the same settings [16:19] with plasma this link is broken [16:19] interlinked elements look completely now and follow different settings [16:20] interlinked elements look completely different now and follow different settings === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick [16:56] hmm [16:58] remind me to hold jjesse at gun-point until he adds his blog to planet ubuntu :o) [16:58] ok mhb [17:46] jjesse: why is your blog not on planet? === Lure_ is now known as Lure [17:47] Lure: because i've never spent the time to add it :) [17:48] jjesse: you should ;-) [17:48] Lure: that's what several people have told me recently, one of my goals for the holidya [17:49] jjesse: it looks easy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu [17:49] jjesse: ah, here you are [17:49] 17:58 < mhb> remind me to hold jjesse at gun-point until he adds his blog to planet ubuntu :o) [17:49] hello mhb === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [17:49] grin :) [17:49] you really should do it. [17:49] it's just one second commit, IIRC. [17:50] and you don't bother anyone. [17:50] will do it this afternoon :) [17:51] groovy [17:51] hrmm i don't have a hackergotchi [17:51] Jucato's post reminded me that I need to respond to e-mail from Scott [17:52] * jjesse heads afk for a bit [17:56] jjesse: you don't have to have one. [17:56] jjesse: you get a generic face, tho :o) [18:27] hi all [18:35] hi dinosaur-rus [18:35] or privet :P [18:38] :) [18:38] haven't been here for a while :) [18:39] :) [18:39] the more Russian-speaking people the better :P [18:44] well, I'll be back when 7.04 -> 7.10 update is complete ;) [18:48] so what happens when KDM depends on plasma? [18:51] manchicken: bye bye SCO :) [18:51] ? [18:51] http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/LATH02827122007-1.htm [19:02] ScottK: bug 178926 is about the ipod stuff [19:02] Launchpad bug 178926 in gutsy-backports "Please backport libgpod 0.6.0 from hardy to gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178926 [19:02] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178926 [20:02:59] [jpatrick(+6ei)] [3:Freenode/#kubuntu-devel(+cnz)] [Act: 6,8,10,11,12,13,15] [19:03] arg [19:05] * apachelogger gives jpatrick a cookie [19:06] * jpatrick blames mouse [19:15] hey all. Is this an appropriate place for a Kubuntu-related (sort of) motu question? [19:15] yep [19:16] I'm trying to create a package for a new app (MeMaker) that "just works" for the Ubuntu folks, but has some unmet dependencies in Kubuntu... [19:17] any easy way to figure out what those dependencies are? [19:20] very odd [19:23] wolfger: what do you have in Depends: ? [19:24] nothing yet. That's what I'm trying to figure. On my main system I figured out two dependencies (librsvg2-common and python-imaging), but this morning I tried to run this app on a fresh install, and there's more dependencies that I can't find. [19:25] those two alone don't do it [19:25] wolfger: Depends: ${shlib:Depends} [19:25] that way it'll calculate dependencies it needs by itself [19:25] oh, ok. [19:26] I didn't know it worked like that [19:26] thanks [19:26] that should be ${shlibs:Depends} [19:27] wolfger: see man:/dh_shlibdeps in konqueror [19:29] cool [19:30] otherwise us packagers would have hell trying to guess what libraries a package would need [19:30] :-D [19:31] jpatrick: don't packagers have a hell with everything anyway? [19:32] kenkku: I don't (most of the time) [19:32] jpatrick: ok, congratulations ;) [19:32] kenkku: years of experience ;) [19:45] * jpatrick goes to learn QtRuby [19:45] hrmm ok trying to compile kdelibs and getting an error that soprano version 1.98.0 is too old [19:45] i have the kde4 packages of kubntu installed what package do i remove? [19:46] libsoprano I think [19:46] libsoprano4? [19:46] probably [19:46] It's in kdesupport [19:46] hrm wants to remove all of my kde4 packages [19:46] yep [19:46] but if you're building SVN that's not a probelm [19:47] ok [20:46] hrm now that i removed libsoprano and then started building kde again and now getting kde4-config not found [20:46] any ideas? [20:46] on building kdepimlibs [20:47] did you build kdesupport? :/ [20:47] yes i did, and ends with makeobj[0]: leaving directory [20:58] mhb: added my blog to planet ubuntu and just commited the change [20:59] hi again [21:00] ok i can get kdesupport and kdelibs to build correctly [21:00] no idea [21:01] who else wanted me to add myself to planet ubuntu? [21:04] +1 [21:05] somebody please help me disable bootsplash [21:06] dinosaur-rus: support in #kubuntu [21:06] jpatrick: ok all added and commited to planet.ubuntu.com now [21:07] jpatrick: it was disabled before I upgraded to 7.10 (was 7.04), but I forgot how to disable it again :P [21:07] mhb: my job is done [21:07] jpatrick: wheren't you holding the gunto my head? [21:07] jjesse: he was ;) [21:07] ah couldn't remember [21:07] brb [21:08] :o) [21:08] jpatrick: nice [21:09] good job [21:09] \o_ [21:10] ah i can see my posts now on planet.ubuntu.com :) [21:10] lots more readers [21:12] jjesse: looks like there's a kde doc helpful on ubuntu-doc ml [21:13] jpatrick: for my compiling problems? [21:13] jjesse: ..doc.. [21:13] oh yeah sorry [21:13] just saw it [21:46] I guess it'd be nice to be able to view list of unreferenced packages in Adept [23:34] nice answer Lure_