[00:12] <ardchoille> Once I learn how to properly create packages, what do I package? Just pick an app that I like, isn't in the repos, and package it? I think I'm a bit confused.
[00:14] <kenkku> you can also fix bugs, fill requests...
[00:14] <kenkku> hell, what do I know
[00:14] <kenkku> I just created my first package
[00:15] <ardchoille> hehe
[00:15] <ardchoille> Fill requests, that sounds cool. Is there a package wish list?
[00:15] <kenkku> I have no idea but it would make sense
[00:16] <ardchoille> I bet there is one, it's just a matter of finding it. The Kubuntu devs have done things very intelligently, IMHO.
[00:37] <mayeco> it is posible to run a full kde4 session with Xephyr?
[00:38] <mhb> it should be.
[00:38] <mayeco> how?
[00:39] <mayeco> can you please tell me
[00:40] <mhb> well you can run "plasma" and "kwin" inside the Xephyr.
[00:41] <mhb> not sure how to start the full KDE4 session.
[00:41] <mhb> (you usually do that with the "startkde" command, but it is missing in the Kubuntu KDE4 packages, I guess.
[00:43] <mayeco> I'm building from svn
[02:48] <CheGuevara> hey Hobbsee
[02:49] <Hobbsee> heya!
[02:50] <CheGuevara> how is it going?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> mmm....ok
[02:51] <CheGuevara> whats wrong :P
[02:52] <Hobbsee> if i told you that, i'd have to shoot you.
[02:57] <ardchoille> lol
[03:00] <CheGuevara> hmmm
[03:00] <CheGuevara> i'd rather not know then :P
[03:03] <jjesse> evening
[03:03] <CheGuevara> hey jjesse
[03:03] <jjesse> hello CheGuevara
[03:10] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[03:30] <nixternal> lexicographic permutations rock!
[03:33] <CheGuevara> hey nixternal :P
[03:43] <CheGuevara> damn qt 4.4 is looking good
[03:45] <nixternal> so is my bed :)
[03:46] <CheGuevara> lol
[07:06] <ardchoille> Yurivilca: Please stop spamming chanmnels
[07:06] <ardchoille> Someone needs to ban Yurivilca
[07:07] <Yurivilca> http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t
[07:07] <Yurivilca> Check out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance!
[07:07] <ardchoille> If someone would add me to the access list for this channel, I can help take care of things like that. He has been spamming *buntu channels left and right.
[13:23] <jjesse> morning
[13:23] <Tm_T> good day
[13:24] <mhb> hi
[13:24] <jjesse> hello Tm_T and mhb
[13:34] <mhb> man, GNOME guys beat us again.
[13:34] <jjesse> what this time?
[13:35] <mhb> http://www.gnome.org/projects/cheese/
[13:35] <mhb> I wanted that since the first time I saw photo booth on OS X.
[13:50] <TheInfinity> mhb: omg this looks loke photo booth in every aspect :o
[13:52] <jjesse> ok what is best way to build from svn when i have kde4 installed via kubuntu packages
[13:52] <jjesse> just follow everything in techbase?
[13:52] <mhb> jjesse: well, build kdelibs, then kdepimlibs, then kdebase. that should be it.
[13:53] <jjesse> mhb: do i need to build cmake and qt first?
[13:53] <mhb> nope.
[13:53] <mhb> not even kdesupport
[13:54] <jjesse> ok
[13:56] <mhb> jjesse: I am using some of the tips here: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts to set up the environment so that I have a separate build directory for KDE4
[13:56] <mhb> triggering it with the David Faure's scriptie there.
[13:56] <jjesse> ok do you run any problems using kde4 as your primary user then?
[13:56] <mhb> no.
[13:56] <mhb> I'm running it right now.
[13:57] <jjesse> ok
[13:57] <mhb> except that it is not accessible via KDM.
[13:57] <mhb> (because it's in the separate folder and all here)
[13:58] <mhb> so I either run a new X server and trigger startkde manually or I start the "failsafe" mode in KDM and then run startkde.
[13:58] <fdoving> mhb: you can easily add it to kdm.
[13:58] <mhb> I'm sure I could.
[13:58]  * mhb is lazy sometimes.
[14:00] <fdoving> make a kde4.desktop in /usr/share/xsessions/
[14:00] <fdoving> with the contents something like: http://kde.pastey.net/79642
[14:01] <fdoving> modified to fit your install.
[14:06] <mhb> fdoving: thank you!
[14:07] <fdoving> mhb: you're welcome, i also recommend to compile more modules, not just kdelibs, kdepimlibs and kdebase.
[14:08] <fdoving> kdegames is one of the more impressing ones.
[14:09] <fdoving> also, compiling kdesupport/strigi makes strigidaemon behave much better.
[14:09] <Jucato> kpatience looks awesome :)
[14:10] <fdoving> so does kmahjongg
[14:11] <Jucato> unfortunately I don't know how to play it :)
[14:11] <fdoving> read the manual :)
[14:11] <Jucato> loil
[14:15] <mhb> I must admit, KDE4 is getting cooler by the minute.
[14:19] <fdoving> i compile most things without debugfull, so most things are also pretty fast.
[14:19] <Jucato> good for you :)
[14:19] <Jucato> mine is debugfoolish so... :(
[14:31] <jjesse> ok sorry bout that was on the phone
[14:32] <jjesse> following the recipe cmakekde do i  need ot use that .bashrc on techbase for the command cmakekde ?
[14:33] <stdin> yeah
[14:33] <jjesse> will that screw anything up with what i have (using kde4 as my primary user)
[14:34] <stdin> you could put the bashrc section in another file and just source it when you want to use the commands
[14:35] <jjesse> call me stupid, but source it?
[14:36] <Jucato> source ~/.bashrc
[14:36] <Jucato> . ~/.bashrc
[14:36] <jjesse> so then source ~/.bashrc cmakekde?
[14:37]  * Jucato points to stdin... more knowledgeable :)
[14:39] <stdin> jjesse: "source <filename>" adds all the variables/functions in that file to the current shell
[14:39] <jjesse> stdin: ah ok thanks ;)
[14:53] <Tm_T> Jucato <3
[14:54]  * Jucato waves
[14:54] <Jucato> hm.. bbl :)
[15:15] <Tm_T> ...and thus, you fail
[15:16] <LongPointyStick> The Black Knight always triumps!
[15:17] <Jucato> LongPointyStick:!!!!!!!!!!
[15:17] <LongPointyStick> hiya Jucato!
[15:17] <Jucato> how are ya?
[15:17] <LongPointyStick> meh
[15:17] <LongPointyStick> the trapdoor idea for work is looking more and more appealing.
[15:18] <Jucato> trapdoor for customers? :)
[15:18] <LongPointyStick> yes
[15:18] <LongPointyStick> with a truck underneath.
[15:18] <LongPointyStick> with a mincer in it.
[15:18] <LongPointyStick> meat pie, anyone?
[15:19] <Jucato> :D
[15:19] <jjesse> i like pie
[15:19] <Jucato> human pie? :D
[15:20] <LongPointyStick> mmm...bones....
[15:20] <LongPointyStick> mmm....brains...
[15:20] <Jucato> brains!!
[15:20] <Jucato> I  need some supplement :)
[15:21] <iRon> LongPointyStick: what is your real name? Hannibal Lecter? :)
[15:22] <LongPointyStick> iRon: The Great Green Arklesneezer, aka.  The Spaghetti Monster.
[15:23] <jjesse> wow that was fun love crashes
[15:23] <Jucato> :D
[15:50] <soc> hi
[15:50] <soc> has someone been able to compile kde4 (from subversion) with ubuntu's soprano (1.99~rc2 afaik)?
[15:50] <soc> it fails since a week with errors in libdolphinprivate ...
[15:51] <soc> it's a problem with soprano
[15:51] <soc> i would hate it if i had to start compling things from kdesupport again :-(
[15:51] <soc> soprano 1.99 is required to build kdebase, soprano 1.99~rc2 is in ubuntu
[15:51] <soc> and now the question is if i'm the only one experiencing that error or if thats a problem with the ubuntu package ...
[15:51] <soc> because i'd expect that 1.99 and 1.99~rc2 are compatible else it wouldn't make sense to put soprano in there, if nothing compiles with it anymore ...
[15:52] <soc> does somebody have an idea=
[15:53] <iRon> soc: i use soprano from kdesupport
[15:54] <soc> i would be happy if i wouldn't have to compile kdesupport, last time i did that, i was forced to run configure and make with root because it wanted to put things all across my filesystem ...
[15:56] <iRon> hm.. i've just compiled soprano -> $ cs kdesupport/soprano; cmakekde
[15:56] <iRon> not all kdesupport
[15:58] <soc> ah, ok
[15:58] <soc> i use the kdesvn-build script, have to figure out how that works ...
[15:59] <soc> although i would be happy to get it running without messing aroung with these low-level libraries ...
[16:02] <iRon> soc: just wait 14 days for release :)
[16:05] <soc> iRon: then i won't have it to compile from source at all :-(
[16:05] <soc> i don't think it will be usable yet ...
[16:06] <jpatrick> it gets better everyday
[16:06] <soc> yes, but imo to give plasma it's own design capabilities was a bad decision ...
[16:07] <soc> i can change the widget style for instance, plasma doesn't care about it ...
[16:08] <Jucato> it shouldn't really
[16:08] <Jucato> or maybe it will
[16:08] <Jucato> technically they can't, not until Qt 4.4 (QWidgets on Canvas)
[16:08] <soc> this is what i hated back in my win os days ...
[16:08] <Jucato> (but to superkaramba themes follow kde3 styles?)
[16:09] <soc> "what? you changed some settings? guess what? i won't care"
[16:09] <soc> Jucato: did you use superkaramba for panels?
[16:09] <Jucato> if there were good ones, I would :)
[16:09] <Tm_T> hi kids
[16:09] <Jucato> or rather, if they worked well too :)
[16:10] <Jucato> there was one time that I did. I forgot the SK-dock theme...
[16:10] <soc> and i guess that's the problem with plasma
[16:11] <soc> from common sense, panels belong to the windows and their contents, and not to some 3d-widgets or gadgets, or whatever theya are called
[16:11] <Jucato> panels belong to what?
[16:11]  * Jucato scratches his head
[16:11] <soc> panels belong to the windows and their contents
[16:12] <Jucato> panels belong to the desktop. or are you confusing toolbars in windows?
[16:12] <soc> no
[16:14] <soc> i don't mean the placement, i mean the semantics
[16:14] <Jucato> I meant the same
[16:14] <soc> for instance you have that bar, where you can choose your window
[16:15] <soc> window list or what it is called in kde
[16:15] <soc> does it make sense if now the window list looks _completely_ different that the windows you're choosing
[16:15] <soc> imo, no
[16:16]  * Jucato sees falling hair from scratching head too strongly
[16:17] <soc> panels belong to the usability area, not too the nifty 3d-bling i-can-rotate-that desktop effects area
[16:17] <soc> Jucato: i don't know what is so difficult about it ...
[16:18] <soc> Jucato: try changing your widget engine or just the color ...
[16:18] <soc> the window contents AND the panel will change
[16:18] <Jucato> you seem to be confusing and mixing a lot of concepts and stuff
[16:18] <Jucato> but I'll leave you to your concepts and stuff :)
[16:19] <soc> they show, that they belong together in some sense, because they follow the same settings
[16:19] <soc> with plasma this link is broken
[16:19] <soc> interlinked elements look completely now and follow different settings
[16:20] <soc> interlinked elements look completely different now and follow different settings
[16:56] <mhb> hmm
[16:58] <mhb> remind me to hold jjesse at gun-point until he adds his blog to planet ubuntu :o)
[16:58] <jpatrick> ok mhb
[17:46] <Lure_> jjesse: why is your blog not on planet?
[17:47] <jjesse> Lure: because i've never spent the time to add it :)
[17:48] <Lure> jjesse: you should ;-)
[17:48] <jjesse> Lure: that's what several people have told me recently, one of my goals for the holidya
[17:49] <Lure> jjesse: it looks easy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[17:49] <mhb> jjesse: ah, here you are
[17:49] <mhb> 17:58 < mhb> remind me to hold jjesse at gun-point until he adds his blog to planet ubuntu :o)
[17:49] <jjesse> hello mhb
[17:49] <jjesse> grin :)
[17:49] <mhb> you really should do it.
[17:49] <mhb> it's just one second commit, IIRC.
[17:50] <mhb> and you don't bother anyone.
[17:50] <jjesse> will do it this afternoon :)
[17:51] <mhb> groovy
[17:51] <jjesse> hrmm i don't have a hackergotchi
[17:51] <Lure> Jucato's post reminded me that I need to respond to e-mail from Scott
[17:52]  * jjesse heads afk for a bit
[17:56] <mhb> jjesse: you don't have to have one.
[17:56] <mhb> jjesse: you get a generic face, tho :o)
[18:27] <dinosaur-rus> hi all
[18:35] <cheguevara_> hi dinosaur-rus
[18:35] <cheguevara_> or privet :P
[18:38] <dinosaur-rus> :)
[18:38] <dinosaur-rus> haven't been here for a while :)
[18:39] <cheguevara_> :)
[18:39] <cheguevara_> the more Russian-speaking people the better :P
[18:44] <dinosaur-rus> well, I'll be back when 7.04 -> 7.10 update is complete ;)
[18:48] <dasKreech> so what happens when KDM depends on plasma?
[18:51] <dasKreech> manchicken: bye bye SCO :)
[18:51] <manchicken> ?
[18:51] <cheguevara_> http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/LATH02827122007-1.htm
[19:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 178926 is about the ipod stuff
[19:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178926 in gutsy-backports "Please backport libgpod 0.6.0 from hardy to gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178926
[19:02] <jpatrick> https://launchpad.net/bugs/178926 [20:02:59] [jpatrick(+6ei)] [3:Freenode/#kubuntu-devel(+cnz)] [Act: 6,8,10,11,12,13,15]
[19:03] <jpatrick> arg
[19:05]  * apachelogger gives jpatrick a cookie
[19:06]  * jpatrick blames mouse
[19:15] <wolfger> hey all. Is this an appropriate place for a Kubuntu-related (sort of) motu question?
[19:15] <jpatrick> yep
[19:16] <wolfger> I'm trying to create a package for a new app (MeMaker) that "just works" for the Ubuntu folks, but has some unmet dependencies in Kubuntu...
[19:17] <wolfger> any easy way to figure out what those dependencies are?
[19:20] <jpatrick> very odd
[19:23] <jpatrick> wolfger: what do you have in Depends: ?
[19:24] <wolfger> nothing yet. That's what I'm trying to figure. On my main system I figured out two dependencies (librsvg2-common and python-imaging), but this morning I tried to run this app on a fresh install, and there's more dependencies that I can't find.
[19:25] <wolfger> those two alone don't do it
[19:25] <jpatrick> wolfger: Depends: ${shlib:Depends}
[19:25] <jpatrick> that way it'll calculate dependencies it needs by itself
[19:25] <wolfger> oh, ok.
[19:26] <wolfger> I didn't know it worked like that
[19:26] <wolfger> thanks
[19:26] <jpatrick> that should be ${shlibs:Depends}
[19:27] <jpatrick> wolfger: see man:/dh_shlibdeps in konqueror
[19:29] <wolfger> cool
[19:30] <jpatrick> otherwise us packagers would have hell trying to guess what libraries a package would need
[19:30] <wolfger> :-D
[19:31] <kenkku> jpatrick: don't packagers have a hell with everything anyway?
[19:32] <jpatrick> kenkku: I don't (most of the time)
[19:32] <kenkku> jpatrick: ok, congratulations ;)
[19:32] <jpatrick> kenkku: years of experience ;)
[19:45]  * jpatrick goes to learn QtRuby
[19:45] <jjesse> hrmm ok trying to compile kdelibs and getting an error that soprano version 1.98.0 is too old
[19:45] <jjesse> i have the kde4 packages of kubntu installed what package do i remove?
[19:46] <jpatrick> libsoprano I think
[19:46] <jjesse> libsoprano4?
[19:46] <jpatrick> probably
[19:46] <jpatrick> It's in kdesupport
[19:46] <jjesse> hrm wants to remove all of my kde4 packages
[19:46] <jpatrick> yep
[19:46] <jpatrick> but if you're building SVN that's not a probelm
[19:47] <jjesse> ok
[20:46] <jjesse> hrm now that i removed libsoprano and then started building kde again and now getting kde4-config not found
[20:46] <jjesse> any ideas?
[20:46] <jjesse> on building kdepimlibs
[20:47] <jpatrick> did you build kdesupport? :/
[20:47] <jjesse> yes i did, and ends with makeobj[0]: leaving directory
[20:58] <jjesse> mhb: added my blog to planet ubuntu and just commited the change
[20:59] <dinosaur-rus> hi again
[21:00] <jjesse> ok i can get kdesupport and kdelibs to build correctly
[21:00] <jpatrick> no idea
[21:01] <jjesse> who else wanted me to add myself to planet ubuntu?
[21:04] <jpatrick> +1
[21:05] <dinosaur-rus> somebody please help me disable bootsplash
[21:06] <jpatrick> dinosaur-rus: support in #kubuntu
[21:06] <jjesse> jpatrick: ok all added and commited to planet.ubuntu.com now
[21:07] <dinosaur-rus> jpatrick: it was disabled before I upgraded to 7.10 (was 7.04), but I forgot how to disable it again :P
[21:07] <jpatrick> mhb: my job is done
[21:07] <jjesse> jpatrick: wheren't you holding the gunto my head?
[21:07] <jpatrick> jjesse: he was ;)
[21:07] <jjesse> ah couldn't remember
[21:07] <jjesse> brb
[21:08] <mhb> :o)
[21:08] <mhb> jpatrick: nice
[21:09] <mhb> good job
[21:09] <jpatrick> \o_
[21:10] <jjesse> ah i can see my posts now on planet.ubuntu.com :)
[21:10] <jpatrick> lots more readers
[21:12] <jpatrick> jjesse: looks like there's a kde doc helpful on ubuntu-doc ml
[21:13] <jjesse> jpatrick: for my compiling problems?
[21:13] <jpatrick> jjesse: ..doc..
[21:13] <jjesse> oh yeah sorry
[21:13] <jjesse> just saw it
[21:46] <dinosaur-rus> I guess it'd be nice to be able to view list of unreferenced packages in Adept
[23:34] <mhb> nice answer Lure_