[02:48]  * Hobbsee waves
[04:59] <rootard> How are patches kept for Ubuntu sources that derive from Debian?
[05:05] <somerville32> We publish all our patches to patches.ubuntu.com
[05:06] <rootard> do patches get automatically applied to upstream Debian packages?
[05:07] <somerville32> no
[05:07] <somerville32> That would be a bad thing
[05:08] <rootard> Even for "trivial" changes to upstream source?
[05:09]  * Fujitsu wonders how we can apply changes to Debian.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: magic
[05:09] <Hobbsee> rootard: only if debian decides to take them.  they also appear in debian's pts
[05:10] <rootard> The reason I am asking is I am developing for Nexenta (apt on OpenSolaris) and we basically pull from Ubuntu sources.
[05:11] <rootard> I am trying to find a good model to manage patches from upstream sources that will almost definitely not integrate a patch.
[05:15] <rootard> In any case, thanks for the info.
[05:21] <Amaranth> apt on OpenSolaris? Isn't it basically just Ubuntu/Solaris?
[05:21] <Amaranth> kind of like Debian/kFreeBSD and such
[05:29] <rootard> Yes, that's the idea... except that Solaris has a lot of things others don't.
[05:31] <Hobbsee> like a different handling of rm -rf *
[05:31]  * Hobbsee grumbles.
[05:31] <rootard> Services being a prime example. /etc/rc* is honored but far from optimal.
[05:33]  * Fujitsu glances at upstart.
[06:02] <imbrandon> rootard: and sunc and lots of other stuff :) (i've done a few Nextenta packages too and have developer access etc , just dont use it much, guess i should pop over there more)
[06:02] <imbrandon> if there were only two of me , hehe
[06:02]  * dmb clones imbrandon 
[06:03] <rootard> imbrandon: awesome :)
[06:03] <dmb> taking a look at nextenta, they have a lot of work to do
[06:04] <imbrandon> rootard: anyhow there is no "automatic" pushing of back upstream to debian, and even downstream its mostly manual, nextenta really needs a tool like DaD
[06:04] <dmb> i feel it isn't nearly up to par development wise as ubuntu or other debian based distros
[06:04] <imbrandon> dmb: yea the "core" is done and solid, but the "desktop" there is still TONS of work
[06:04] <imbrandon> actualy TONS dont even begin to say how much there is
[06:04] <imbrandon> heh
[06:05] <dmb> imbrandon: does it autosync with ubuntu?
[06:05] <imbrandon> no
[06:05] <imbrandon> everything is manual well mostly everything
[06:05] <rootard> imbrandon: agreed. What is DaD?
[06:05] <imbrandon> they dont have the tools that we have to autosync from debian, but there is work to port them
[06:06] <rootard> dmb: I am interested in making it do that.
[06:06] <rootard> Some packages compile just fine directly from remote repositories. Other need help. Still... there are thee few that are a real pain.
[06:06] <imbrandon> rootard: there are lots of scripts that help with alot of this type thing, lemme find the dad url and source , it would need modification to work but things like mdt and dad/mom should be simple first steps
[06:07] <imbrandon> the good thing is they are all available , the bad thing is almost none of them are documented or in a central place
[06:07] <imbrandon> heh
[06:07] <rootard> Great! Sounds like an almost ideal situation! :)
[06:08] <imbrandon> TheMuso is working on getting some of the cdimage stuff avail for public consumption, i dont recal the DaD maintainer but he is active ( in #ubuntu-motu )
[06:08] <imbrandon> and there are lots others
[06:08] <dmb> is there any irc chan for nextenta?
[06:09] <rootard> #nexenta (which currently forwards to ##nexenta)
[06:09] <imbrandon> infact i think i'll try to get some of the tools mentioned and urls to source/demos on my gnusolaris.org wiki soonish ( before newyears )
[06:09] <dmb> i find nexenta very hard to spell :D
[06:09] <imbrandon> dmb: 99% of the time i say gnusolaris :)
[06:09] <rootard> imbrandon: sounds good, I recommend using nexenta.org instead though.
[06:09] <rootard> gnusolaris.org will go away.
[06:10] <imbrandon> ahhh, that sucks heh
[06:10] <dmb> nexenta is way ahead of kfreebsd right now
[06:10] <rootard> or at least forward to nexenta.org
[06:10] <imbrandon> is it a mirror right now ?
[06:10] <imbrandon> or do i have to recreate my account/wiki etc
[06:11] <rootard> No. Some of the content is being moved over, other content is out of date and being abandoned.
[06:11] <imbrandon> i have to admit i have worked on it a bit but havent interacted with any of the community at all yet, its quite small from what i can see
[06:11] <imbrandon> ( dev community )
[06:12] <rootard> Yes, it is small but there seems to be a lot of interest. So far as I can tell the project needs a little more infrastructure so people don't have to do as much work.
[06:12] <imbrandon> rootard: since everythign is being moved and most packages are based off ubuntu ( with some pure debian mixed in ) why not push to use Launchpad for bug tracking ? )
[06:13] <rootard> imbrandon: That is the current goal.
[06:14] <imbrandon> cool, well i'm doing some perl hacking atm so i'm kinda busy but i'll touch base with you in a few ( hours maybe? ) aobut some of this stuff, i know most of the ubuntu proceedures ( as a core dev ) and the ones i dont i know generaly whom to ask mostly
[06:14] <imbrandon> so maybe i can give yall a push
[06:15] <imbrandon> and iirc i have write access to the nextenta RCS iirc , i would have to check
[06:15] <imbrandon> havent used it in a few months
[06:16] <rootard> imbrandon: I would appreciate that :) I'm actually up later than I should be. Maybe I can catch you soonish though?
[06:17] <imbrandon> rootard: sure, i am too actualy ( its midnight here ) drop me an email brandon@imbrandon.com anytime
[06:17] <rootard> Thanks, will do. Goodnight.
[06:39] <Yurivilca> http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t
[06:39] <Yurivilca> Check out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance!
[06:41] <tritium> Yurivilca: please stay on topic
[06:41] <tritium> I've already asked you to leave #ubuntu.  Please don't come in here with the same garbage.
[07:13] <dmb> tritium: i think its a bot
[07:15] <tritium> dmb: yeah, I believe so
[07:15] <dmb> tritium: although its kind of pointless what he's spamming
[07:21] <tritium> dmb: oh well
[07:24] <dmb> i don't see who's making money in this deal :D
[07:44] <aUser> hi, I'm trying to compile with pbuilder sylpheed 2.4.8
[07:44] <aUser> actually in repos there is version 2.4.5
[07:44] <aUser> when I start "compiling" with pbuilder
[07:44] <aUser> I got:
[07:45] <aUser> checking for pkg-config... no
[07:45] <aUser> checking for GLIB - version >= 2.4.0... no
[07:45] <aUser> *** A new enough version of pkg-config was not found.
[07:45] <aUser> *** See http://www.freedesktop.org/software/pkgconfig/
[07:45] <aUser> configure: error: Test for GLib failed. See the 'INSTALL' for help.
[07:45] <aUser> make: *** [config.status] Error 1
[07:45] <aUser> pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package
[07:45] <TheMuso> !pastebin | aUser
[07:45] <ubotu> aUser: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:45] <aUser>  -> Aborting with an error
[07:45] <aUser>  -> unmounting dev/pts filesystem
[07:45] <aUser>  -> unmounting proc filesystem
[07:45] <aUser>  -> cleaning the build env
[07:45] <aUser>     -> removing directory /var/cache/pbuilder/build//2530 and its subdirectories
[07:45] <aUser> sorry http://rafb.net/p/FpkLfq31.html
[07:46] <aUser> i copied debian/control dependencies from 2.4.5 to 2.4.8 too
[07:46] <aUser> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.22), libcompfaceg1-dev, libglib2.0-dev, libgtk2.0-dev, libpng12-dev, libgpgme11-dev (>= 1.0.0), libssl-dev, libpisock-dev, libldap2-dev, flex | flex-old, bison, gettext, libreadline5-dev, cdbs, libgtkspell-dev (>= 2.0), libonig-dev
[07:46] <aUser> but it doesn't work
[07:46] <aUser> have you any idea?
[07:47] <TheMuso> aUse/c
[07:47] <TheMuso> ugh
[07:47] <TheMuso> aUser: hang on a sec
[07:47] <TheMuso> aUser: WHat versino of pkg-config is it trying to find
[07:47] <imbrandon> looks like a pretty streight forward error, "*** A new enough version of pkg-config was not found."
[07:48] <aUser> i don't know
[07:48] <aUser> it's not reported
[07:48] <aUser> i'm using gutsy
[07:48] <aUser> and I have built my env for pbuilder
[07:48] <aUser> in different ways but with same results
[07:48] <aUser> sudo pbuilder create
[07:48] <aUser> sudo pbuilder create --othermirror
[07:48] <aUser> modifing
[07:48] <aUser> pbuilderrc
[07:49] <aUser> etc
[07:49] <aUser> but no differences
[07:49] <TheMuso> aUser: You could explicitly add pkg-config to the Build-Depends field in debian/control.
[07:50] <TheMuso> However, pkg-config may be installed in the pbuilder session anyway.
[07:50] <TheMuso> gotta run
[07:50] <imbrandon> likely and likely it needs the one in hardy
[07:50] <imbrandon> later TheMuso
[07:52] <aUser> I have added pkg-config on debian control just now
[07:52] <aUser> and
[07:52] <aUser> launched : debuild -S -uc -us
[07:52] <aUser> and so pbuilder *.dsc
[07:53] <aUser> and same error again
[07:56] <aUser> how to install pkg-config in pbuilder session?
[07:57] <Mithrandir> aUser: add pkg-config to the list of build-depends.
[07:57] <aUser> just done it
[07:57] <aUser> but not works
[07:58] <Mithrandir> please put the pbuilder log in a pastebin, thn
[07:59] <aUser> where can I find log u refer?
[08:02] <Mithrandir> just cut and paste all the text by hand or something.
[08:05] <aUser> http://rafb.net/p/Zz8nHS22.html
[08:05] <aUser> log about launch of pbuilder *.dsc
[08:06] <Mithrandir> do you have more than one .dsc file in the current directory?
[08:07] <Mithrandir> if not, can you please provide a copy of that .dsc file?
[08:07] <aUser> I have 2 dsc-file
[08:08] <Mithrandir> please specify the right one rather than using *.dsc, then.
[08:10] <aUser> ok using singularly file in:
[08:10] <aUser> sudo pbuilder build sylpheed-debhelper_2.4.8-1.dsc
[08:11] <aUser> I got error above but:
[08:11] <aUser> with  sudo pbuilder build sylpheed-debhelper_2.4.8-1ubuntu1.dsc
[08:11] <aUser> I got new  error:
[08:12] <aUser> http://rafb.net/p/sUVe2t69.html
[08:12] <aUser> it seems trying to download packages required
[08:12] <aUser> but fails for The following packages are BROKEN:   pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy
[08:13] <warp10> Hi all!
[08:13] <Mithrandir> aUser: seems like your build-dependencies can't all be satisfied.
[08:14] <aUser> yes
[08:15] <aUser> problem seems for  pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy
[08:16] <Mithrandir> no, read the log again.
[08:17] <aUser> libcompfaceg1-dev and libonig-dev?
[08:17] <Mithrandir> yeah, looks like it.
[08:18] <aUser> ok I try to remove them from deb-control
[08:19] <aUser> nice it's downloading dependencies now
[08:20] <imbrandon> umm if you remove them its likely not to build , they were there for a reason likely
[08:20] <aUser> it was for sylpheed 2.4.5
[08:21] <aUser> for gutsy version
[08:21] <aUser> i'm using pbuilder under gutsy
[08:22] <aUser> ok I got a new error:)
[08:24] <aUser> http://rafb.net/p/3bYn0B78.html
[08:24] <aUser> configure: error: cannot run /bin/bash ./config.sub
[08:25] <aUser> i followed MOTU guide
[08:26] <aUser> or it's incomplete or pbuilder under gutsy is buggy or I miss something
[08:38] <aUser> ok thanks for all, I go bye
[12:31] <\sh> moins
[15:32] <persia> sladen: What changed?
[15:34] <Essope> persia: order swap
[15:35] <sladen> persia: the archive state got moved back to the start
[15:35]  * persia thinks the fact that uploads are useless due to build failures is more important than the fact that the archive is accepting uploads, but doesn't really care enough to change it back.
[15:35] <sladen> persia: depends whether you have scripts that care
[15:36] <persia> sladen: There are scripts that scrape this topic for display somewhere?  Where are the results?
[15:37] <lamont> dear gnome, why do I have two items "Printing" under System-> Administration ?
[15:37] <sladen> persia: in theory developer weather report, but for the moment only humans
[15:37] <persia> sladen: Ah.  OK then.  Still, the archive is only pretending to be open now :)
[15:37] <sladen> lamont: keeping the depths of the menus minmal, you /do/ have two printers right?
[15:38] <lamont> sladen: 5 or so
[15:38] <lamont> one says 'Configure printers' and the other says 'configure your printers'
[15:38] <lamont> (modulo capitalization)
[15:38] <sladen> persia: well if it's open, change it.  But if it opens and something downstream later breaks, then that would robably be different
[15:38] <lamont> I wonder which one is correct...
[15:38] <_MMA_> lamont: I would suspect if your install was a upgrade to Gutsy you have both printer config apps.
[15:38] <lamont> s/correct/current/
[15:38]  * sladen awaits the Grammar Nazis
[15:39] <lamont> iz gutsy box, upgraded since at least dapper
[15:39] <lamont> _MMA_: and my question is which one should I nuke?
[15:39] <LongPointyStick> lamont: fix the buildds, will you?
[15:40] <lamont> OTOH, the machine seems to have lost track of one of the printers.
[15:40] <lamont> LongPointyStick: what's broken?
[15:40] <_MMA_> gnome-config-printer is one right? And the other is system-config-printer?
[15:40] <zul> hey
[15:40] <LongPointyStick> lamont: libc6 error meaning that everything errors out after 40 seconds
[15:40] <persia> lamont: They don't seem to have the libstdc++6 update from 24th December, and don't build anything.
[15:40] <lamont> that sounds like an archive issue
[15:40] <LongPointyStick> lamont: doesn't happen locally
[15:41]  * lamont actually looks at the logs for something
[15:41] <LongPointyStick> lamont: and palmer got trashed, due to debian fudgery.
[15:41] <LongPointyStick> lamont: aka, trying to interactively pull cpan packages.
[15:42] <_MMA_> lamont: I "though" system-config-printer conflicted with gnome-config-printer. I know I had both at one point. "system-config-printer" is the default now.
[15:43] <soc> hi
[15:44] <lamont> LongPointyStick: not something I can fix
[15:44] <LongPointyStick> lamont: pity
[15:44] <lamont> dpkg -l | grep printer | grep conf returns only system-config-printer
[15:44] <LongPointyStick> lamont: i didnt' think so, but i thought it was worth a shot
[15:45] <lamont> LongPointyStick: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10891721/chroot-ubuntu-hardy-i386.tar.bz2
[15:45] <lamont>  then untar and chroot into it.  dist-upgrade
[15:45] <lamont> update/dist-upgrade, of course.
[15:46] <lamont> once that automagically works, then builds will start succeeding.  short of that, a manual dist-upgrade and update the chroots in the librarian and all will be well.
[15:46]  * lamont is capable of the first half of that.  no publishing ability
[15:46] <lamont> --> infinity
[15:48] <lamont> that assumes that the tarball hasn't been updated since early christmas eve, london time
[15:48] <lamont> (the URL above, that is)
[15:50] <LongPointyStick> right
[15:52] <lamont> speaking of reboots, /me brb
[15:52]  * persia gets "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libstdc++6" from apt-get dist-upgrade, and is confused, as it worked locally
[16:02]  * lamont ponders the usefulness of beagled, if any, and how to access said usefulness
[16:04] <lamont> _MMA_: so should I have the printer icon with the fold in the paper, or the one without?
[16:04] <lamont> ah, gnome-cups-manager
[16:05]  * lamont nukes
[16:06] <lamont> hrm... xsane still hates the officejet
[17:23] <TheInfinity> hello ... i dont know if its fixed in gutsy, but this bug still exists since edgy and it makes ubuntu not thaaat good prepared for network usage ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/40537
[17:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 40537 in openoffice.org "OpenOffice cannot write to NFS files" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[17:54] <lamont> TheInfinity: if it helps, installing mount on gutsy with nfs mounts in existance on the machine will force nfs-common to be installed, since that's required to mount nfs partitions at all now.
[18:24] <albertito> Hi! I think this is the place to ask, if not, please excuse me. As some of you may know (most probably won't), Argentina will change its timezone for this summer from -3 to -2 this year
[18:25] <albertito> This is the first time in years, and it was decided with a very short notice (it takes place on monday, and was just voted yesterday)
[18:26] <albertito> I was wondering if ubuntu developers were aware of the situation and willing to update the tzdata package to reflect this change; and if not, what is needed to do so
[18:32] <Chipzz> albertito: a lot of developers are on holidays around this time of the year
[18:32] <Chipzz> also, there is currently some buildd borkage
[18:33] <Chipzz> albertito: did you file a bug report?
[18:33] <albertito> Chipzz: no, I thought to ask here first to avoid filing a bug for something that was already being addressed
[18:33] <albertito> Chipzz: I'll file one, thanks
[18:33] <Chipzz> albertito: check for dups first then
[18:33] <albertito> Chipzz: I will
[18:34] <Chipzz> albertito: oh yeah, don't forget to shoot the people who voted on this on such short notage ;)
[18:36] <albertito> Chipzz: that would be most of the congress :S
[18:36] <Chipzz> albertito: I was kidding oc, but seriously, they should have given this A LOT more thought
[18:36] <albertito> Chipzz: the sad part is most scientists agree the change is actually wrong, and we should use -4 normally, and -3 for the summer... but well..
[18:36] <albertito> Chipzz: I know, and I fully agree
[18:37] <Chipzz> and really, everyone who voted for that actually deserves to be shot a little ;)
[18:37] <Chipzz> to put them out of their misery; they're obviously getting senile ;)
[18:37] <albertito> Chipzz: well, I don't know if "most scientists", but at least a lot of them with really good arguments =)
[18:50] <albertito> Chipzz: I've reported the bug, it's at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tzdata/+bug/178924
[18:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178924 in tzdata "Argentina changes its timezone on 30/Dec/2007" [Undecided,New]
[18:55] <norsetto> Since when scientists know better than politicians? Now, be serious ....
[19:35] <RenatoSilva> Is there anyone here involved with Pidgin's integration with Network Manager?
[19:39] <pochu> RenatoSilva: try #pidgin
[19:43] <RenatoSilva> pochu: Sorry, I mean Network Manager code ;)
[19:45] <stgraber> RenatoSilva: AFAIK the network manager just sends a dbus signal which is then caught by pidgin to connect/disconnect
[19:45] <stgraber> so that's a pidgin plugin, nothing related to the Network-Manager other than sending a "You are connected" or a "You are disconnected" signal over dbus
[19:46] <pochu> RenatoSilva: the integration should be implemented in pidgin. That's why I pointed you to #pidgin ;)
[19:46] <pochu> hey stgraber
[19:46] <stgraber> hi pochu
[19:46] <RenatoSilva> Pidgin team say Network Manager sucks, they refused to fix a bug they say is of NM. They say Ubuntu team sohould not build and deliver pidgin with NM support
[19:46] <RenatoSilva> pochu: Forget Pidgin ;)
[19:48] <pochu> Oh, so it's already implemented, and you want it to be disabled?
[19:49] <pochu> RenatoSilva: first, if pidgin developers think NM sucks, why do they integrate NM support?
[19:49] <RenatoSilva> My Pigdin doen't connect when I start it, only qhen I change status. They say it's not Pidgin bug but Network Manager bug which doesn't tell Pidgin I'm connected when actually I'm really connected. When I had the NM icon on tray in fact it didn't detected my connection, which works absolutelly perfectly
[19:50] <stgraber> NM only tracks connections done using NM
[19:51] <RenatoSilva> pochu: Actually, I think there's a problem that is being ignored for stupid reasons, ignored by them at least
[19:55] <pochu> RenatoSilva: I don't use Pidgin, so I can't tell it myself, but this bug 144754 seems related.
[19:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144754 in pidgin "[gutsy] pidgin does not go automatically offline when network is down" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144754
[19:55] <RenatoSilva> stgraber: that is what I told them all the time: I don't think rely on NM to get a connection, and hide this fact completely to the user, is a good idea, because NM is not perfect on detecting all connections actively. But the stupid solution they told me was myself to compile Pidgin without NM's support, or ask you to remove NM from your build.
[19:57] <RenatoSilva> stgraber: Although NM+Pidgin's idea is really nice, about "connect when connected" and "disconnect when disconnected" etc...so remove NM would remove another functionality than this bug
[19:58] <RenatoSilva> pochu: on Launchpad or Pidgin?
[19:59] <pochu> RenatoSilva: see the link ubotu provided :)
[19:59] <RenatoSilva> pochu: actually my bug is the contrary: Pidgin doesn't connect when opened, it stands "waiting for the connection", a connection which actually exists
[19:59] <pochu> RenatoSilva: and bug 97591 even has a patch
[19:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97591 in pidgin "[gutsy] MSN waiting for network connection... but does not connect" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97591
[20:00] <pochu> RenatoSilva: like that one? ^
[20:00] <RenatoSilva> pochu: I've just read the description, it seems the same kind of bug
[20:02]  * Chipzz thinks that is a horrible idea btw
[20:02] <pochu> And this and the other one could be related.
[20:02] <Chipzz> windows also has that 'feature'
[20:02] <Chipzz> "Lets close down all the internet connections as soon as you unplug the cable"
[20:03] <ion_> Yeah :-D
[20:03] <Chipzz> "Argh I just wanted to move my laptop and the cable was in the way!"
[20:03] <Chipzz> "FSCK!"
[20:03] <pochu> The bug is more likely "Pidgin doesn't want to connect even if NM says I'm connected".
[20:05] <RenatoSilva> pochu: I'm reading the bugs
[20:07] <RenatoSilva> pochu: or in their words: "Pidgin doesn't connect just because NM sucks and tell it there's no conncetion when actually there is"
[20:07] <RenatoSilva> pochu: still reading...
[20:08] <RenatoSilva> pochu: I suggested a simple solution for them, but they stupdly refused: When starting up, Pidgin could just try to connect and only then rely on NM
[20:12] <RenatoSilva> guys, you modify source? For example, if Pidgin's team don't want to help you could yourself change code and we have a 'fake'?'
[20:13] <Mithrandir> RenatoSilva: yes, we patch code.
[20:27] <RenatoSilva> Mithrandir: this is the menaning of package version 1.0ubuntu1 >>> ubuntu1 means it's a kind of fork, a special version of ubuntu, right?
[20:27] <Kmos> RenatoSilva: you should ask that type of questions at #ubuntu-motu channel
[20:28] <RenatoSilva> Kmos: ok
[20:30] <RenatoSilva> The way I understand that NM's patch is that it simply it makes NM "disconnect when disconnected", but wouldn't solve the fact of NM doesn't detecting a conn. Anyway I've write a comment there, hope that someone do something
[23:04] <Kopfgeldjaeger> n8
[23:07] <pwnguin> if I think a sync from debian will fix a bug in LP, should i file a seperate bug for the request?