[00:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> Centaur5, check users .xsession (.xerror?) fro errors
[00:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you have sabayon installed?
[00:21] <Centaur5> I'm installing that now
[00:23] <Centaur5> I'm getting this in .xsession-errors xrdb: Can't open display ''
[00:25] <Centaur5> That's rather odd, I wonder what suddenly caused that to happen.
[00:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> any hardware/software/configuration chagnges happened recently?
[00:41] <Centaur5> The thin clients have been dead for over a week and I haven't figured it out.  The last thing I changed on the server before they died was setting up a chillispot/freeradius server.
[08:15] <kraut> moin
[18:10] <pteague_work> anybody know which fs i should be using on a virtual server? ... for the virtual machines themselves
[18:26] <leonel> ext3 as usual ..
[19:15] <pteague_work> k, just making sure... i'm rsyncing a huge amount of files to it & at the time i wasn't getting any response when attempting to ssh to it to check some things
[21:00] <Delvien> ARP cache,, is that held on my router or the computer itself?
[21:10] <Delvien> ok held on the server,
[21:10] <Delvien> I need to know how to extend the ARP flush to 48 hours
[21:46] <nealmcb> Delvien_: what is the underlying problem pou're trying to solve?
[21:46] <nealmcb> *you're
[21:47] <Delvien_> WoL for my vmware server, If the computer is off for some time.. i cant wake it up by sending it a "magical packet"
[21:47] <Delvien_> looks like 5 minutes is the timeframe
[21:48] <nealmcb> Delvien_: hmm - sounds complicated :-)  how does vmware fit into this?  and which sort of magical packet are you talking about, and which host do you want to wake up from where?
[21:49] <Delvien_> no no no, i need to wake up my machinie not nec my vm,
[21:49] <Delvien_> I dont need my vmware server on all the time
[21:49] <Delvien_> which is run off ubuntu-server
[21:49] <Delvien_> so i turn off the machine when im not using it
[21:50] <Delvien_> and when i need it on i use an app called "wakeonlan" so my server will boot up, its a whole thing with wake on lan receives a signal and boots the computer
[21:50] <Delvien_> but the ARP flush is set to 5 minutes, i cant find ANYTHING online on how to extend this to 48 hours
[21:53] <Delvien_> nealmcb do you get what im trying to do?
[21:54] <nealmcb> Delvien_: so we can ignore vmware entirely?
[21:54] <Delvien_> yep
[21:55] <nealmcb> and you have a client machine (linux?)
[21:55] <Delvien_> thats just what my server runs :P
[21:55] <nealmcb> and a server?
[21:55] <Delvien_> ubuntu-server
[21:55] <Delvien_> a client ubuntu-desktop
[21:55] <Delvien_> server is ubuntu-server 7.10
[21:55] <nealmcb> do you get an error message?
[21:55] <Delvien_> woops nick is wrong
[21:56] <Delvien> nealmcb no, it just doesnt wake up because the settings are flushed, the computer simple just doesnt turn on after a time if i send a WOL packet,
[21:57] <nealmcb> so you think you want to have the client machine remember the ethernet address longer than 5 min?  but it doesn't complain about not knowing it?
[21:58] <nealmcb> if this was a common problem with WoL I'd expect them to suggest a solution....
[21:58] <nealmcb> so what is unusual about your configuration?
[21:58] <Delvien> nothing, some people have the same problem but like always, they never post their solutions
[21:58]  * nealmcb nods
[21:58] <Delvien> ARP is automatically set to clear within a few minutes or hours
[21:59] <Delvien> i can run command "arp" while the computer is on, and man arp shows nothing that will help
[21:59] <Delvien> im at a loss
[22:01] <nealmcb> does a packet get sent?  e.g. does ethereal show anything?
[22:01]  * nealmcb wonders why there is no error message from wakeonlan
[22:02] <Delvien> there wouldnt be
[22:02] <Delvien> its not accessing the computer itself when its off. its just sending it a packet
[22:02] <Delvien> saying "hey wake up"
[22:02] <Delvien> there would be no response because the eth card is "sleeping" and only accepts a packet to signal the boot
[22:03] <nealmcb> I was assuming that the problem was that the arp cache is on the client didn't have the sleeping server's mac address - right?
[22:03] <nealmcb> s/is on/on
[22:03] <Delvien> it has it , but only for a certain amount of time
[22:03] <nealmcb> you run wakeonlan on the client, right?
[22:04] <Delvien> ye
[22:04] <Delvien> yep
[22:04] <nealmcb> so if it sends a packet, it is a problem on the server end, and if it doesn't send a problem, it is a client / network issue
[22:04]  * nealmcb forgets most of the details of arp caching, frankly....
[22:05] <nealmcb> we once had to run a rarp daemon, but since then, most "arp" problems turned out to actually be other networking issues
[22:05] <Delvien> ARP caching keeps the mac address and the ip address so if your system goes down for a short amount of time it will keep the same information, the MAC address of course would all stay the same, but the IP would remain
[22:05] <Delvien> err wouldnt remian for IP
[22:05] <Delvien> remain
[22:06] <Delvien> there is a way to extend that ARP caching, but i dont know how to in linux
[22:08] <nealmcb> what kind of network?  what kind of router(s)?
[22:09] <Delvien> just LAN atm
[22:09] <Delvien> wrt54g
[22:15] <Delvien> nealmcb and i know its something in ubuntu-server i can change because if i disconnect the power then turn it off just far enough to get to grub turn it off, and send the WOL it doesnt boot
[22:15] <Delvien> but if i let it boot up then shut down, it will wake with the packet
[22:17] <nealmcb> wired lan?  I wonder if the router can be configured to help
[22:17] <nealmcb> I don't see what the server has to do with it - it is asleep....
[22:18] <nealmcb> I would think you'd be changing the arp cache time on your client
[22:19] <nealmcb> the server might ignore wol when already in grub or something....
[22:24] <nealmcb> Delvien: what command line do you use to wake it up - do you give it an ip address or a mac address?
[22:24] <nealmcb> seems like you just need to remember the mac yourself....
[22:24] <Delvien> nealmcb right i thought that to but what WOL does is keeps power coming to the ethernet , so it can receive a packet, which sends a signal to the mobo to boot
[22:24] <Delvien> wakeonlan -i 65.186.88.xx -p 9 00:11:5B:14:4A:xx
[22:25] <Delvien> put x's in there so no ones gonna try and hack me :P
[22:25] <Delvien> im testing something, hopefully this will work
[22:25] <nealmcb> so why do you need an arp cache if you give it the mac address?
[22:25] <Delvien> put wol into "d" mode
[22:26] <Delvien> if the cache is cleared its not on the network technically
[22:26] <Delvien> therefore the router is like "huh" and throws the packet away, course, you wouldnt get an error
[22:26] <Delvien> unless im wrong
[22:26] <nealmcb> I think the arp cache is just a local thing used to construct the packet.  if you give it the mac addr, it shouldn't need the cache
[22:26] <Delvien> the cache is on the server not the client
[22:26] <nealmcb> no - the router would have its own arp cache
[22:27] <nealmcb> the cache is on each local machine, whether it is a client, server or router
[22:27] <nealmcb> but as I say I don't think you need it....
[22:28] <Delvien> i guess you are right
[22:28] <Delvien>  there is a parameter in the router named "ARP flushing time" that is defined in 5 minutes.
[22:28] <nealmcb> and sniffing your network will tell you if the packet is being sent
[22:28] <Delvien> I have no idea how to change the ARP flushing time
[22:28] <nealmcb> can you change that?
[22:30] <Delvien> weird cant find an option
[22:32] <nealmcb> if it is a switched network I guess the router might need to be involved, but that would seem error-prone....
[22:32] <Delvien> nealmcb think if i didnt have it on DHCP would it be a problem ?
[22:33] <nealmcb> is it getting the same ip address each time?
[22:33] <Delvien> yeah
[22:33] <Delvien> only 2 on the lan atm
[22:33] <Delvien> my client and server
[22:33] <nealmcb> then the answer should be "no it wouldn't matter"
[22:33] <nealmcb> but of course most of my answers are based on theory, not practice :-)
[22:36] <proprietarysucks> anyone know how to get 3ware card working on ubuntu 6.10 server ?
[22:37] <nealmcb> !hardware
[22:37] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[22:44] <proprietarysucks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection is a blank page with how to file a bug report
[22:45] <proprietarysucks> and the first one doesn't have it
[22:45] <proprietarysucks> this is 9650SE
[22:45] <proprietarysucks> the instructions from 3ware are: http://www.3ware.com/KB/article.aspx?id=15054
[22:45] <proprietarysucks> however it's not working as expected; something is different
[22:45] <Delvien> nealmcb was seeing if i could upgrade my routers firmware, of course my router is the ONLY one on the list i have to jump through a flaming hoop to flash
[22:46] <proprietarysucks> specifically step 7
[22:54] <nealmcb> proprietarysucks: hmm - scary set of instructions....
[22:54] <proprietarysucks> here's the problem I run into
[22:55] <proprietarysucks> When I go back to tty1 to 'select' 3w_9xxx, there's nothing to select
[22:55] <proprietarysucks> it's still on the same screen it was before
[22:55] <proprietarysucks> in other words, the instructions suggest the installer will fail to find drive and then ask you to load a module
[22:55] <proprietarysucks> however in reality the installer doesn't seem to be doing that
[22:56] <proprietarysucks> I have to have this done on 3 systems asap :(
[22:57] <nealmcb> proprietarysucks: sorry - not my area of expertise :-(
[22:58] <nealmcb> perhaps ask 3ware for help or ask them to release the source for the driver and build your own kernel....