[00:04] <MagicDuck> hehe, I figured it out, was looking in the wrong place
[00:05]  * Jucato nods
[00:08] <nado> adz21c: just to let you know: it's a lot better now, i can even browse my emails ;)
[00:09] <adz21c> nado: gd gd
[00:10] <genii> See you nuts later ;)
[00:15] <DarkTan_> ok, i still need help mounting my drive partitions
[00:16] <DarkTan_> i tired editing /ets/fstab/user.rw
[00:16] <DarkTan_> but i can't find the /fstab dir
[00:19] <kub^> DarkTan_: its /etc/fstab
[00:23] <DarkTan_> it doesn't show that dir when i type that in, it just gives me /etc and there is no /fstab to go to
[00:24] <DarkTan_> i have /fonts and /foomatic
[00:26] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: fstab is a file
[00:27] <DarkTan_> ok
[00:28] <DarkTan_> i can't find the file
[00:28] <DarkTan_> i'm use kate BTW
[00:29] <DarkTan_> wait, i found it
[00:30] <DarkTan_> ok, now ho do i had the command for my other
[00:30] <DarkTan_> HDD partitions
[00:30] <nosrednaekim> !fstab
[00:30] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[00:30] <DarkTan_> ahh
[00:30] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: and you needed to have run kate with kdesudo in order to edit that file.
[00:31] <ehc> mplayer complains about lacking gnome_screensaver_control() how can I get this to stop?
[00:31] <DarkTan_> kdesudo?
[00:31] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: yes, to give you permissions to edit that file.
[00:31] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: just run "kdesudo kate /etc/fstab"
[00:31] <DarkTan_> this is my first time running linux, how do i do that?
[00:31]  * DarkTan_ feels like an idiot
[00:32] <Dragnslcr> Aly-F2
[00:32] <Dragnslcr> Er
[00:32] <Dragnslcr> Alt-F2
[00:32] <DarkTan_> cool
[00:33] <DarkTan_> umm, won't do it
[00:34] <DarkTan_> i get "Could not run the specified command."
[00:36] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: run it from a terminal.... the run dialog doesn't like kdesudo
[00:36] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: hey its ok, we all had to learn this at one time or another
[00:36] <DarkTan_> terminal?
[00:36] <DarkTan_> konsole would be whaty i'm looking for?
[00:36] <kub^> DarkTan_: yes
[00:36] <DarkTan_> what*
[00:37] <DarkTan_> ok gonna try that
[00:37] <kub^> DarkTan_: then type "sudo kate /etc/fstab"
[00:37] <DarkTan_> bash: kdesudo: command not found
[00:37] <kub^> DarkTan_: sudo elevates your privelages to root (admin)
[00:37] <DarkTan_> oh sudi
[00:37] <DarkTan_> sudo*
[00:38] <DarkTan_> ok i'll try that
[00:38] <DarkTan_> got a crap load or errors
[00:39] <kub^> DarkTan_: type "sudo kate /etc/fstab" without the quotes
[00:39] <DarkTan_> i did
[00:39] <DarkTan_> it asked for a password, gave it my password and it went psycho
[00:39] <nosrednaekim> but did the window pop up?
[00:39] <DarkTan_> no
[00:40] <kub^> DarkTan_ it should pop up a window
[00:40] <nosrednaekim> kub^: no! kdesudo
[00:40] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: replace sudo with kdesudo
[00:40] <nosrednaekim> sudo doesn't work well with graphical applications
[00:40] <alialasadi> hi
[00:40] <DarkTan_> command not found
[00:40] <kub^> nosrednaekim: sry i tend to use sudo i didnt realise i was going wrong
[00:40] <alialasadi> اكو واحد يحجي عربي
[00:41] <nosrednaekim> kub^: yeah, use kdesudo for graphical applications
[00:41] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: try "kdesu" then...lol
[00:41] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: you must be on fiesty or dapper then
[00:41] <DarkTan_> quick question, should i be able to open the file in kate if i need root privilages?
[00:41] <DarkTan_> fiesty or dapper?
[00:42] <giuseppe> anyone has a valid server.met file?
[00:42] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: you may be able to READ it as a normal user, but not save any changes
[00:42] <DarkTan_> ahh
[00:42] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: versions of kubuntu.
[00:42] <DarkTan_> ok, i'll try kdesu then
[00:43] <DarkTan_> got something
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> great :)
[00:43] <DarkTan_> ok, it opened fstab in kate
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> now read these instructions for what to do
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> !fstab
[00:43] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[00:43] <DarkTan_> need to write the crap down
[00:43] <DarkTan_> got it up already
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[00:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[00:47] <giuseppe> is there anyone with valid server list for amule?
[00:50] <LjL> giuseppe: that's not something for this channel to deal with.
[00:51] <DarkTan_> ok, edited and saved, do i need to reboot?
[00:53] <kub^> DarkTan_: i think sudo mount -a should mount the drives
[00:54] <DarkTan_> ok said they were already mounted
[00:55] <DarkTan_> umm i think i edited the file wrong
[00:57] <DarkTan_> can't access the drive
[00:57] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: they may already be mounted, but not in the way you want them too..
[00:57] <nosrednaekim> attempt a reboot.
[00:58] <DarkTan_> i get this on both partitions, just the names changes: mount: mount point /media/WindowsXP does not exist
[00:58] <homercycles> Is it possible to install Kubuntu into a logical partition near the end of a hard disk?
[00:58] <homercycles> My brother is thinking of install it after seeing mine but that's the only partition he could possibly resize
[00:59] <nosrednaekim> homercycles: oh yeah, that'l work
[01:00] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: run this command "sudo mkdir /media/WindowsXP"
[01:00] <homercycles> Thanks nosrednaekim
[01:01] <DarkTan_> on new error: mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda5 is mounted on /
[01:01] <DarkTan_> the other drive says hda1 instead of hda5
[01:01] <Evolution2> homercycles: I think you can
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: eh... pastebin your fstab
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> and do not reboot
[01:02] <homercycles> I don't suppose if anybody knows of a recent kubuntu/compiz howto? I've found this one but it didn't seem to help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263210
[01:02] <DarkTan_> pastebin?
[01:02] <homercycles> thanks Evolution2
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[01:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> !compiz
[01:02] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:03] <homercycles> I have installed various compiz packaged through Adept and followed the howto I found in Google, but to no avail
[01:03] <Evolution2> homercycles: np
[01:03] <homercycles> Thanks ubotu. I'll try that one
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> !bot
[01:04] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:04] <DarkTan_> like so? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49747/
[01:04] <Evolution2> ubotu: nice to meet you
[01:04] <Evolution2> ubotu: but you are intelligent!
[01:04] <homercycles> I shall take my leave of you all, with my thanks, and try Compiz. Cheers
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> have fun
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> yeah, thats great DarkTan_
[01:06] <nanobug> unfortunately that howto is about worthless
[01:07] <nanobug> since it doesn't address the problem of compiz --replace failing
[01:07] <nanobug> which i've replicated on 3 systems
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: hmm odd, everything shere should work... do a reboot.
[01:08] <DarkTan_> ok
[01:08] <DarkTan_> one question befor i do that
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: you just added those two lines at the end, right?
[01:08] <DarkTan_> yeah
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> ok, should be fine then
[01:09] <DarkTan_> i accdentally saved the wrong password when i corrected it i accdentally told it to never save password for that site, how do i fix the bad pass?
[01:09] <DarkTan_> useing konquer BTW
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: well, the password isn't saved, so you should be good.
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: except you'll now have to enter it every time
[01:10] <DarkTan_> actually i have a saved bad password
[01:11] <DarkTan_> bleh fix it later, gonna re-boot
[01:11] <DarkTan_> brb
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> oh!... well, next time you go to that page, and it automatically gives you the wrong passwrod, erase the password in the box and type a new one in. it should prompt you to save it again.
[01:16] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: did it work?
[01:16] <DarkTan_> ok, now i get this: Could not enter folder /media/WindowsXP.
[01:16] <DarkTan_> on the other drive is says /media/Files
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: hmm try "sudo cd /media/WindowsXP"
[01:17] <mrtimbo> hi
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: i'm not expert on the fstab though...
[01:18] <DarkTan_> sudo: cd: command not found
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: all of these commands are to be exectued in a terminal
[01:18] <DarkTan_> yeah, i did that
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> ha... interesting.
[01:19] <DarkTan_> yep
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> run "sudo -i" and then run "cd /media"
[01:19] <nosrednaekim>  or rather... "cd /media/WindowsXP"
[01:20] <DarkTan_> ok, in the the windowsxp dir
[01:20] <DarkTan_> or /media/WindowsXP dir
[01:20] <DarkTan_> gotta get used to all these /'s
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> ok... do "ls"... all your stuff there?
[01:22] <DarkTan_> Is?
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> sudo -i, BTW semi-permanantly makes you the root user.
[01:22] <DarkTan_> ok
[01:22] <nosrednaekim> with a small L.... not an i
[01:22] <DarkTan_> oh
[01:22] <pyrotix> how does one check what version of kubuntu one is running?
[01:23] <DarkTan_> ok it shows all my stuff
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> pyrotix: "lsb_release -a"
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: ok.... so its mounted, but only root can read it.
[01:23] <DarkTan_> but i can't acces through konquer
[01:23] <DarkTan_> i guess so
[01:24] <pyrotix> that's really odd, says I'm running 7.10 like I thought, but the update manager keeps asking me if I want to upgrade my distro
[01:24] <pyrotix> w/e
[01:24] <DarkTan_> can i open media files through the terminal?
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: now run "sudo chmod -R a+rw /media/WindowsXP"
[01:24] <sd132> can kubuntu use dvi?
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: yes, just provide them as an argument to the media player
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> sd132: certianly
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> pyrotix: yeah.. thats a little bug... don't worry about it.
[01:25] <sd132> nosrednaekim: ok thanks
[01:25] <DarkTan_> ok changing all kinds of permissions
[01:25] <DarkTan_> so "kaffine sound.mp3" ?
[01:26] <DarkTan_> so "kaffine -sound.mp3" ?
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: well, no.
[01:27] <SirChasm> anyone know how to bind the wireless button on my keyboard to enable/disable eth1?
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: first of all... did you install mp3 support?
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> !hotkeys
[01:27] <ubotu> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[01:27] <DarkTan_> not yet, i'll worry about all that after i ger access to the HDD
[01:27] <DarkTan_> ok, the terminal stopped doing stuff
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: ok... well you should have full access now.
[01:28] <DarkTan_> might i have to re-boot to get access? cause i ain't got it
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> no? hmph!
[01:29] <DarkTan_> "Could not enter folder"
[01:29] <DarkTan_> on both partitions
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> uhhhg... umm lets try something different. go into systemsettings->advanced->disks and partitions
[01:31] <beefjerky> hello all.  is there a way i can automatically reconfigure my fstab?
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> beefjerky: automatically? no
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: then enter admin mode
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> beefjerky: there is a nice GUI for it though in system settings
[01:32] <beefjerky> nosrednaekim: where?
[01:32] <beefjerky> in kcontrol?
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> in the advanced tab->disks and filesystems
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> system settings, but its probably in kcontrol too
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: there?
[01:33] <DarkTan_> yeah, looking for "advanced"
[01:33] <beefjerky> nosrednaekim: why can't i enable my cd/dvd burner?
[01:33] <DarkTan_> i have "disk and filesystems"
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> yeah... thats it.
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> sorry
[01:34] <DarkTan_> ok opened that
[01:34] <DarkTan_> you said enter admin mode?
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> enter administrator mode
[01:34] <beefjerky> yup.
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. int he lower right corner
[01:34] <DarkTan_> ok found it
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> beefjerky: you probably don't have a cdin the drive
[01:35] <beefjerky> nosrednaekim: you're right :) hang on
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: i admin mode?
[01:35] <DarkTan_> yeah
[01:36] <beefjerky> nosrednaekim: with cd in drive -------> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49755/
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> ok, select the partition you want to edit (/dev/hda1)
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> and disable it
[01:36] <DarkTan_> the only option is have is modify or delete
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: ok...do modify then
[01:37] <DarkTan_> delete scares me, i have all my homework on this thing
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> beefjerky: pastebin the last 20 lines of dmesg
[01:37] <DarkTan_> it won't let me
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> that doesn't delete the stuff on the disk ;) just the mount point
[01:38] <DarkTan_> it also has no mount point, type or say if it's enabled or disabled
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> won't let you? whats it do...
[01:38] <DarkTan_> ^
[01:38] <beefjerky> nosrednaekim: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49756/
[01:39] <DarkTan_> would removing them from the fstab and adding them here help any?
[01:39] <SirChasm> ok, wtf, I'm watching the light on the wireless key go on and off
[01:39] <SirChasm> now it's off, just before it was on
[01:39] <SirChasm> and i didn't touch it for like a minute
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: ahh, yes, do that..
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> SirChasm: does it have something to do with the usage of your wireless?
[01:40] <beefjerky> dr_willis: can you help me? nosrednaekim is a bit overwhelmed with questions right now ;)
[01:40] <DarkTan_> ok
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> beefjerky: not really ;)
[01:40] <SirChasm> maybe
[01:40] <SirChasm> i'm tyring to figure out if pressing it does anything
[01:40] <beefjerky> nosrednakeim: well, if you can troubleshoot 3 peoples' problems at once, you are very talented@
[01:40] <beefjerky> !
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> beefjerky: thats no fstab problem... thats hardware/drivers
[01:41] <DarkTan_> gonna reboot
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: you know how to do that?
[01:41] <DarkTan_> reboot?
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: ok.
[01:41] <beefjerky> nosrednaekim: but i also don't think i have a proper entry in my fstab... :(  Can i fix the hardware/drivers issue?
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> no... remove those lines
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> beefjerky: pastebin your fstab
[01:43] <inaety_> k3b tells me it doesn't have permission to open the disc or something
[01:43] <beefjerky> nosrednaekim | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49757/
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> inaety_: was the disc in the drive when you booted?
[01:43] <inaety_> nosrednaekim: no
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> beefjerky: the cd line should be
[01:44] <nosrednaekim>  /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> inaety_: whats the exact message?
[01:45] <inaety_> i don't know, i quit out >_<
[01:45] <beefjerky> nosrednaekim: ok, i inserted that line instead.  But I still am going to have hardware issues???
[01:46] <beefjerky> inaety_: you can try running k3b as root... see if you get the same message
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> beefjerky: we shall see
[01:46] <SirChasm> when I use xev on the key, there's no keypress event associated with it when i press it
[01:46] <beefjerky> inaety_: if not, you probably just need to change permissions on your disc drive
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> SirChasm: is it a "fn" key?
[01:47] <inaety_> beefjerky: i did try as root which is what i did when i told nosrednaekim that i quit out.  it tells me there is an issue with TAO
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> inaety_: could it be a bad disc (or already used)?
[01:48] <beefjerky> nosrednaekim: ok, thanks for the help.  I'll reboot and cross my fingers :)
[01:48] <paperfunk> qw
[01:48] <inaety_> nosrednaekim: maybe but i took it from the stack of clean cds
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> inaety_: try another one... can't hurt
[01:49] <Evolution2> nosrednaekim: my kubuntu doesn't show the other linux partitions under storage media.
[01:49] <Evolution2> sda1 and sda3
[01:49] <Evolution2> any ideas?
[01:49] <inaety_> nosrednaekim: im on gnomebaker now its going...
[01:49] <inaety_> but obviously i want k3b its so much better
[01:50] <SirChasm> nosrednaekim: no, it's a wireless key - a key to turn wireless on and off
[01:50] <SirChasm> well it used to be at least
[01:50] <SirChasm> now i dunno wtf it does
[01:50] <SirChasm> when it's off, KnetworkManager still shows me as connected
[01:50] <DarkTan_> ok, added the partitions, but i need to change the FS from ext2 to ntfs
[01:51] <DarkTan_> never mind, just found it
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> ok
[01:52] <DarkTan_> ok enabled drives
[01:52] <DarkTan_> gonna see if it work
[01:52] <antixpaul> Evolution2: are they mounted?
[01:52] <DarkTan_> yes! is works
[01:53] <Dr_willis_> Egads!
[01:53] <DarkTan_> thx nosrednaekim
[01:53] <Dr_willis_> :)
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: sweet! :D
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> inaety_: yeah.. thats odd.
[01:53] <DarkTan_> no to figure out how to run AIM, play media files, run games and all that other stuff
[01:54] <DarkTan_> actually next thing is to make my wireless work
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> wireles..... uhhg.
[01:54]  * nosrednaekim dies
[01:54] <Evolution2> not sure
[01:54] <Evolution2> I was playing with fstab earlier
[01:54] <Evolution2> "sudo mount -a"?
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> JK JK.... though wireless is probably the hardest thing you are going to do
[01:54] <DarkTan_> lol
[01:54] <DarkTan_> i'm going to try a USB nic i have and see if that work
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: lets start off with a pastebin of "lspci"
[01:54] <antixpaul> pidgin is pure awesome for all your IM needs DarkTan_
[01:54] <DarkTan_> my PCMCIA card don't work
[01:55] <DarkTan_> internal got fried by lightening
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: what type of PCMCIA? oh.. wireless
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> lol
[01:55] <DarkTan_> 2wire
[01:55] <antixpaul> and yeah if your fstab is set up correctly a sudo mount -a will mount them Evolution2
[01:55] <DarkTan_> 802.11 g if that matters
[01:56] <DarkTan_> ok what is lspci?
[01:56] <Evolution2> antixpaul: thanks let me try it
[01:57] <DarkTan_> never mind, i punched it in the terminal :http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49759/
[01:59] <Evolution2> antixpaul: mount: mount point /media/sda1 does not exist
[01:59] <Evolution2> mount: mount point /media/sda3 does not exist
[01:59] <Dr_willis_> Make the directory then. :)
[01:59] <Evolution2> antixpaul: I thought i had fstab correct
[02:00] <Dr_willis_> sudo mkdir /media/sda3
[02:00] <Evolution2> thanks
[02:00] <ubuntu> where do i install kubuntu at
[02:00] <ubuntu> :/
[02:01] <ubuntu> where is the install option i mean
[02:01] <Dr_willis_> Clarify that a bit.. .. :)
[02:01] <Dr_willis_> The Live cd - has a Icon on the desktop.
[02:01] <DarkTan_> brb
[02:01] <Dr_willis_> The alternative cd - starts up a text based installer.
[02:01] <ubuntu> im on the live cd but i see no icon on the desktop
[02:01] <sasha_> what is something similar to tvtime that will just display the video out of a camera plugged into a tv card ?
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: crap.... you have a broadcom there.... oh wait... no thats the internal one..
[02:02] <Evolution2> Dr_willis_: it didn't work making the dir
[02:02] <Dr_willis_> Evolution2,  wht dident work.. the making of the dir?
[02:03] <SirChasm> ok, so what's wrong with xev? why doesn't it pick up when i press the wireless key?
[02:04] <ubuntu> Dr_willis_ there is no install on desktop
[02:04] <Evolution2> Dr_willis_: no that worked. but there is nothing in those dir...
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> SirChasm: take a look at "dmesg" after pressing the key
[02:04] <ubuntu> kye
[02:04] <antixpaul> Evolution2: do another "sudo mount -a"
[02:05] <DarkTan_> ok i'mback
[02:05] <Evolution2> antixpaul: nothing all I see is my filesystem and the external
[02:05] <Dr_willis_> Evolution2,  make the dir.. THEN mount the device
[02:05] <Evolution2> that's what I did
[02:06] <Evolution2> Dr_willis_: do you think its fstab
[02:06] <Dr_willis_>   checn mount output. or the error message mount may of given.
[02:06] <Evolution2> there was no error output in konsole
[02:06] <SirChasm> nosrednaekim: "max suspend failed" repeated many times
[02:06] <SirChasm> "mac*
[02:06] <DarkTan_> and yeah the broadcom got toasted
[02:06] <Dr_willis_> sudo mount /media/sda3        or whatever it was called.
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: ok... so you have a Prism.
[02:06] <Dr_willis_> might want to check dmesg command for any errors also.
[02:07] <DarkTan_> i dunno who made it
[02:07] <DarkTan_> sound good tho
[02:07] <kye> i have the cd of kbuntu in but i dont see a install
[02:08] <Evolution2> Dr_willis_: ah yes it worked. but I can access them from /media/..., I was actually asking why they were not showing up as harddrive icons under the storage media menu
[02:08] <Dr_willis_> Do they have icons?
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: its in that lspci informartion... look at the last entry..
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: anyway.... pastebin the results of "iwconfig"
[02:09] <Dr_willis_> if so,, Good enough,   :)
[02:10] <DarkTan_> nosrednaekim: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49761/
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: interesting... its seeing your braodcom. try "iwlist eth1 scan"
[02:12] <Evolution2> Dr_willis_: they were there before, but they aren't anymore
[02:12] <DarkTan_> eth1      Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device
[02:13] <DarkTan_> the broadcom shows up in windows too but gets no signal
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> ok... then try "iwlist eth3 scan"
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> ok
[02:13] <DarkTan_> usually at least
[02:13] <DarkTan_> "no scan results"
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> hmph.... does this laptop have a wireless switch?
[02:14] <DarkTan_> if it's picking up the broadcom, is it possible that if i can get a signal it will work?
[02:14] <DarkTan_> yeah, on the broadcom tho
[02:14] <DarkTan_> not the PCMCIA
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: maybe...
[02:14] <DarkTan_> wireless switch doesn't ever work
[02:14] <DarkTan_> bah
[02:15] <DarkTan_> even*
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: hmm, not sure how to go about this.
[02:16] <DarkTan_> arrg
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: maybe ndiswrapper.....
[02:16] <DarkTan_> ?
[02:17] <homercycles> If I try to reassign the launch menu in KDE (default is ALT+F1) I press my <win> key and it then flashes WIN+ as if I wants me to also assign another key combination to it... I just want the thing by itself but it won't let me just have <win> by itself to bring up the launch menu.
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: see the thing is, it seems to be detecting your wireless card (the PCMCIA one) but it also doesn't seem to be working correctly
[02:17] <homercycles> Any ideas why this is so?
[02:17] <DarkTan_> joy
[02:18] <alialasadi> سلام
[02:18] <alialasadi> شلون الصحة
[02:18] <alialasadi> شكو ماكو
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> homercycles: you can't just have "win" the win key is a modifier..
[02:19] <homercycles> but Windows lets me have just the win key to bring up the start menu, so I know it's possible
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> not in kde...
[02:20] <homercycles> seems like a rather strange "feature"
[02:20] <DarkTan_> hmmm, well i guess i can always boot back to windows for wi-fi
[02:20] <DarkTan_> gonna try something with the broadcom tho
[02:23] <Dr_willis_> just the WIN key by itself is not easialyu doable with KDE. the WIN key is just another meta-key.
[02:23] <homercycles> I'll do some searching. surely there has to be a plugin for it. this is surely something that Windows converts are going to want (and I'm one of them)
[02:24] <BluesKaj> i'm a windows convert, who never used the windows key :)
[02:24] <Dragnslcr> Neither did I
[02:24] <Dragnslcr> I thought it was more annoying than useful
[02:25] <Dragnslcr> I dunno why anyone would need it in KDE. I'd think Katapult is easier to work with
[02:26] <BluesKaj> not KB kinda guy...too late in the game for that, except for old applications programs and integrators on instruments that printed out data
[02:27] <BluesKaj> don't see the point of katapult either :)
[02:28] <rich1> is anyone having trouble with yahoo chess in opera?
[02:29] <BluesKaj> rich1, somehow I don't think you should expect a quick answer to that question
[02:30]  * kub^ laughs
[02:31] <dsmith> what question?
[02:31]  * dsmith is curious
[02:31] <bmack> is there a way to rollback drivers
[02:32] <BluesKaj> dsmith, <rich1> is anyone having trouble with yahoo chess in opera?
[02:32] <earthcreed>   So what is everyones' favorite chess program?
[02:32] <rich1> BluesKaj: i guess so.
[02:32] <rich1> i'm on opera irc also and no one is there.
[02:33] <rich1> i love xboard.
[02:33] <rich1> jose is good too but the java is kind of slow.
[02:33] <earthcreed> with gnuchess engine?
[02:33] <rich1> or with crafty.
[02:33] <rich1> scid is cool too.  but the interface is kind of complicated.
[02:34]  * earthcreed is going of to play with scid
[02:34] <rich1> earthcreed: what do you use?
[02:35] <rich1> earthcreed: it is excellent.
[02:35] <rich1> do any of you play yahoo chess?
[02:35] <BluesKaj> if you guys wanna talk chess , there must be a chat for it somewhere else
[02:36] <dsmith> BluesKaj: lol, omg
[02:36] <rich1> BluesKaj: sorry.  i was trying to circle around to my question again.
[02:36] <earthcreed> hrm, because this wouldn't be the place to talk about chess program options in kubuntu.
[02:36] <BluesKaj> or the offtopic cops will be warning you
[02:36] <dsmith> ot!
[02:37] <dsmith> !ot
[02:37] <pyrotix> how do I find my mac address?
[02:37] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:37] <Dr_willis_> pyrotix,  either ifconfig, or ethtool can tell you
[02:37] <Dr_willis_> or perhaps both. :)
[02:38] <rich1> my original topic, now edited, was "is anyone having problems with the opera browser?
[02:38] <rich1> "
[02:38] <dsmith> nope
[02:38] <ardchoille> Dr_willis_: Thanks. When I asked that mac address question, someone told me to walk out of my machouse and look above my macdoor
[02:38] <dsmith> lol
[02:40] <BluesKaj> someone told me to look for big yellow "M"
[02:41] <pyrotix> does the link http://76.68.37.54 print hello world?
[02:41] <cheguevara_> pyrotix: no
[02:41] <cheguevara_> pyrotix: its not connection the the web server
[02:43] <pyrotix> what do you get?
[02:43] <pyrotix> what is my IP gives me that for me external/router IP
[02:43] <rich1> bye guys.
[02:43] <pyrotix> and I set my router to redirect to .103 which is my MAC address I believe
[02:44] <pyrotix> on port 80
[02:44] <pyrotix> which should mean I should be able to webserve
[02:44] <cheguevara_> why would you redirect to your mac address
[02:44] <BluesKaj> timed out. pyrotix
[02:44] <Dr_willis_> a router redirecting to the MAC address? I think somthing is confused here...
[02:44] <pyrotix> I'm obviously confused, but I need to tell my router to redirect to the right place?
[02:45] <pyrotix> what is that right place?
[02:45] <pyrotix> urrgh.
[02:45] <cheguevara_> ur local ip
[02:45] <Dr_willis_> You redirect to your IP. nothing to do wioth the mac address.
[02:45] <cheguevara_> so then the router will redirect requests from your public ip to your local ip on port 80
[02:45] <Dr_willis_> the mac is used  In ways that you dont need to mess with. :)
[02:45] <BluesKaj> why are you fooling with the router
[02:46] <ardchoille> pyrotix: Should be your "inet addr" under eth0 when you run ifconfig
[02:46] <cheguevara_> because if u dont open the ports it wont be publically accessible i am guessing
[02:46] <pyrotix> che is right
[02:47] <BluesKaj> well, opening ports is a differnt thing, you dontneed to fool with mac address , just make the the ports are bound to the router IP
[02:47] <pyrotix> and amusingly I did put the right address to reroute to according to ifconfig
[02:47] <pyrotix> so I was just mistaken in calling it mac address
[02:47] <pyrotix> w/e
[02:48] <pyrotix> so wtf is a mac address?
[02:48] <pyrotix> not that it is necessary for me to know, it appears
[02:48] <cheguevara_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address
[02:48] <ardchoille> pyrotix: iirc, that is the address of the physical NIC itself
[02:49] <pyrotix> what part of ifconfig gives you the MAC address?
[02:49] <crazy_bus> I have to use a half broken computer while my motherboard is being replaced.  Unfortunately it's got a broken ide controller so it loses files on my first partition /  Is there a easy to use program to back it up.  I was going to use mondo until I read it was broken in ubuntu
[02:50] <Dr_willis_> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:11:09:88:83:9F
[02:50] <pyrotix> is it the part after HWaddr?
[02:50] <ardchoille> pyrotix: HWaddr
[02:50] <Dr_willis_> Thats it. :)
[02:50] <pyrotix> cool
[02:50] <cheguevara_> HWaddr
[02:50] <cheguevara_> aww
[02:50] <cheguevara_> too slow
[02:50] <cheguevara_> :P
[02:50] <nosredna_ekim> crazy_bus: transfer the HD to another computer?
[02:51] <snowbird> i need  modem  help
[02:51] <pyrotix> alright I told my router to reroute traffic on port 80 to the address under eth0 "inet addr:192.168.1.103," and the link http://76.68.37.54 times out despite the fact apache gives the html document to konqueror when I visit http://localhost/ . What could be the problem?
[02:51] <nosredna_ekim> !modem
[02:52] <crazy_bus> nosredna_ekim: don't have another computer.  That's the one being repaired.  Unfortunatly it will take awhile since it has to be sent back to asus
[02:52] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[02:52] <nosredna_ekim> crazy_bus: then I advise you to wait...
[02:52] <pyrotix> 76.68.37.54 being my external IP
[02:52] <pyrotix> I think
[02:52] <snowbird> yeah  dial up  usb  external   modem
[02:53] <cheguevara_> snowbird: what brand/model
[02:53] <cheguevara_> usb modems are not too great in  linux
[02:53] <BluesKaj> pyrotix, got  speedstream router ?
[02:54] <pyrotix> linksys
[02:54] <BluesKaj> sympatico?
[02:54] <cheguevara_> linksys....
[02:54] <pyrotix> wireless-g
[02:54] <pyrotix> wrt54g
[02:55] <pyrotix> ya, sympatico
[02:55] <pyrotix> although I'm pretty sure I'm properly redirecting port 80
[02:56] <cheguevara_> pyrotix: try this http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Linksys/WRT54G/default.htm
[02:56] <BluesKaj> pyrotix, 76.68.37.54 yes , that's what reurned when dig'd yer whois address
[02:56] <pyrotix> do internal IP's change over time?
[02:56] <snowbird> amigo  modem model ami  2061 f
[02:57] <ardchoille> pyrotix: I've never seen mine change unless I change the way the cables are setup in the router
[02:58] <pyrotix> does http://76.68.37.54 work now?
[02:58] <snowbird> cheguevara_,  got my modem info?
[02:59] <cheguevara_> yeah reading up a bit
[02:59] <cheguevara_> pyrotix: still no go
[02:59] <kub^> pyrotix: try using shields up to scan yourself to see when the port is open, btw i scanned you and port 80 appears closed
[03:00] <pyrotix> >.<
[03:00] <snowbird> well my  pc don't  got   serial port
[03:00] <kye> i tried to enable my restricted driver and when i did i restarted and it will not load only terminal?
[03:00] <kye> etc/rc2.d/s20powernowd 156: cannot create sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0//cpufreq/scaling_govenor dir non existant
[03:00] <kye> how can i fix this
[03:02] <pyrotix> kub^: any chance you can scan me and check if port 81 is now open? I think my ISP may block incoming port 80
[03:02] <kub^> pyrotix appears open now
[03:02] <snowbird> how  do know if  usb modem works
[03:02] <pyrotix> wait
[03:03] <pyrotix> 80 or 81?
[03:03] <pyrotix> or both?
[03:03] <kub^> pyrotix: both
[03:03] <cheguevara_> snowbird: pastebin the output of lsusb please
[03:03] <kub^> pyrotix: nmap says filtered
[03:04] <pyrotix> kub^ ?
[03:04] <pyrotix> by filtered do you mean blocked or rerouted?
[03:05] <pyrotix> and any chance anyone can visit a page under http://76.68.37.54 that has hello world on it?
[03:05] <snowbird> dont   havw output  here
[03:05] <pyrotix> >.<
[03:05] <snowbird> il  have to bring modem 30 miles to me
[03:05] <kub^> pyrotix what happens if you go to the local ip (not localhost) the 192.168.1.x ?
[03:05] <ardchoille> pyrotix: Still timing out
[03:06] <cheguevara_> snowbird: its looking a bit problematic that it'll work
[03:06] <cheguevara_> at least i can't find any info that it works
[03:06] <cheguevara_> but then i can't find any that it doesnt either
[03:06] <cheguevara_> but support for dial up usb modems has never been great in kernel
[03:06] <snowbird> cheguevara_,  i gave me    father a kubuntu  box for  xmas
[03:06] <pyrotix> kub^ I can access the page through 192.168.1.103
[03:07] <cheguevara_> can't u get him proper internet access also :P
[03:07] <snowbird> cheguevara_,  hes  on dial  up   30 miles il   peel it out o hands
[03:08] <snowbird> cheguevara_,  a serial port  modem i can  get
[03:09] <pyrotix> kub^ by filtered do you mean blocked?
[03:09] <kub^> yes it means blocked
[03:09] <pyrotix> for both 80 and 81 on nmap?
[03:09] <kub^> pyrotix your fw is blocking it
[03:09] <kub^> pyrotix yes for both
[03:10] <cheguevara_> snowbird: make sure you investigate whether the serial modem you gonna get will work with ubuntu
[03:11] <snowbird> right cheguevara_  thanks  il  rember that
[03:13] <cheguevara_> snowbird: http://www.linmodems.org/ might be a good place to bookmark
[03:13] <snowbird> ok
[03:19] <intelikey> hmmm i just stumbled onto a fast oomk tester
[03:19] <intelikey> probably not something that one would normally want to test though.
[03:20]  * intelikey passws genii  the coffee
[03:20] <intelikey> maybe not...
[03:28] <intelikey> ardchoille lol
[03:28] <ardchoille> :)
[03:32] <BluesKaj> sacktime ...nite folks , take care
[03:34] <intelikey> i guess he tasted genii's coffee   i was going to say good night.....
[03:40] <cheguevara_> heh
[03:45] <Boff> bonjour
[03:45] <intelikey> howdy
[03:47] <pyrotix> any chance http://76.68.37.54 works?
[03:47] <pyrotix> should print hello world
[03:47] <ardchoille> pyrotix: Still times out
[03:48] <intelikey> 404   you'll have to open the port 80 through the firewall
[03:51] <pyrotix> arrgh.
[03:51] <nacho> ubuntu.es
[03:52] <cheguevara_> !es | nacho
[03:52] <ubotu> nacho: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[03:52] <nacho> wgat is the direccion of ubuntu in spanish
[03:52] <nacho> ?
[03:52] <nacho> oo tank you
[03:52] <cheguevara_> np :P
[03:53] <Dr_willis_> pyrotix,  i cant even Ping that ip
[03:53] <CheGuevara> most routers block ICMP i think
[03:53] <Dr_willis_> well some do. :)
[03:54]  * Dr_willis_ pings it harder!
[03:54] <ardchoille> lol
[03:54] <pyrotix> argh.
[03:54] <CheGuevara> don't force it
[03:54] <CheGuevara> lol
[03:55] <pyrotix> the ports aren't open. I told it to open the ports. The router says the ports are open. The website is accessible on my internal network. The ports aren't open. grar.
[03:56] <intelikey> pyrotix ya want someone to nmap it for you ?
[03:56] <Dr_willis_> lets all nmap it! :)    Not...
[03:56] <Dr_willis_> heh heh
[03:56] <intelikey> lol
[03:57] <intelikey> flood him off the web  heh
[03:57] <pyrotix> have been nmapped closed
[03:57] <Dr_willis_> Put the web server in the DMZ for the router perhaps? :)
[03:57] <intelikey> :)
[03:57] <pyrotix> and the computer connected wirelessly to the router cannot access the page via the internal address
[03:58] <pyrotix> could use dmz... but then I'm almost defeating the point of having a router
[03:59] <pyrotix> could a hammer work?
[04:00] <kub^> pyrotix: maybe try rebooting the router?
[04:00] <intelikey> if it's big enough pyrotix
[04:01] <intelikey> "don't force it, just use a bigger hammer"
[04:01] <kub^> pyrotix: do you have the latest firmware on router?
[04:03] <ehc> is there a way to take the subtitles out of a .avi file?
[04:04] <intelikey> i'm wondering where the rest of my ram went...   ps axv %mem adds up to about 4%
[04:04] <dsmith> libsubtitles
[04:05] <downlost> ?
[04:07] <kub^> pyrotix: under firewall | security do you have block anonymous internet requests ticked?
[04:08] <intelikey> correction adds up to 2.4%
[04:08] <pyrotix_> kub^ its unticked
[04:08] <pyrotix_> and for port forwarding I have the enable checked, and both udp and
[04:09] <intelikey> and i'm showing 5% used.  so where is the 2.6%  eaten up ?
[04:09] <pyrotix_> and tcp selected. grr, mistake enter
[04:09] <adamonline46> Good evening.  Could anyone help me add an FTP share using Dolphin?  I seem to be inept...
[04:10] <kub^> pyrotix: im stumped maybe a firmware upgrade would help, if it was my router thats probably what i'd try
[04:11] <Willabee> hey, does anyone know how to set up typing in hebrew with scim/
[04:15] <pyrotix_> kub^ will my settings have to be redone with the firmware upgrade, or will they persist?
[04:15] <pyrotix_> actually, it doesn't really matter
[04:15] <pyrotix_> I'll find out soon enough
[04:15] <kub^> pyrotix: lol gl, usually they do but i guess depends on router :)
[04:17] <intelikey> who understands linux memory usage ?
[04:18] <biovore> I do some what.. Not exactly an expert
[04:18] <intelikey> i can't seem to find out what's eating about 10m
[04:19] <biovore> ramdisk reserve?
[04:19] <intelikey> ps axv  shows the RSS  but added all togather it's only about 8M  and i have 18M used.
[04:19] <biovore> 18M you getting that from free?
[04:20] <intelikey> biovore well actually a script that reading /proc/meminfo  but yes same in free
[04:20] <intelikey> free -m yelds  -/+ buffers/cache:         18        358
[04:20] <kub^> i have an old laptop with a 4gb HD, 450mhx cpu and 192 mb of ram, think it'll choke on kubuntu? should i go for someting like damn small linux?
[04:21] <intelikey> kub^ no.
[04:21] <biovore> just have to tune down the graphics and stuff..
[04:21] <kub^> ok goodbye windows 2000 /wave
[04:22] <intelikey> lappies are inhearantly slower but, i have ran ubuntu/kde on a p1 100mhz 1G hdd 64m ram   system
[04:22] <biovore> probably want to go with a console install and install the bare gui
[04:22] <biovore> or go debian..
[04:23] <intelikey> biovore any thoughts  ?
[04:23] <_gtt_> intelikey: which version of ubuntu?
[04:23] <kub^> ok then it should be a problem
[04:23] <intelikey> dapper
[04:23] <kub^> shouldnt *
[04:23] <_gtt_> i think feisty and higher require 128 now
[04:23] <_gtt_> how'd it do? was it REALLY slow?
[04:23] <intelikey> _gtt_ only to install
[04:23] <_gtt_> i mean, that's a pretty slow proc.
[04:24] <kub^> biovore: does the console install require the alternate cd ?
[04:24] <intelikey> _gtt_ well you couldn't edit dvd's on it.  but no it worked fine as long as you didn't overload the ram.
[04:24] <_gtt_> and i've considered adding on an array of old laptops.
[04:24] <_gtt_> would you say it needed more ram or more drive space?
[04:25] <intelikey> _gtt_ it needed both.   but i'd say more ram was more important.
[04:26] <intelikey> _gtt_ i put another 32m stick in and it worked much better     didn't hit OOMK nearly as often
[04:26] <intelikey> i didn't have swap
[04:26]  * intelikey never uses swap
[04:27] <_gtt_> why never use swap?
[04:27] <intelikey> but when kde wasn't running it was just like any other linux console.   you never knew it was a p1  or that it only had 64m ram
[04:27] <intelikey> _gtt_ ah just a choice.
[04:27] <pyrotix> changed router firmware, can someone try http://76.68.37.54 or nmap me and see if 80/81 are open?
[04:28] <adamonline46> Can I mount an FTP share?
[04:28] <_gtt_> i need some help with samba if anyone's got a sec.
[04:28] <_gtt_> adamonline46: using curlfs or whatver it is yes.
[04:28]  * intelikey has the seconds,   just not the experance...
[04:29] <_gtt_> know how to check a useful log on it?
[04:29] <adamonline46> _gtt_: Alright... I don't seem to be getting any good results in google with that...
[04:30] <intelikey> no. i'm network illiterate.   and i don't do windows.   so samba is as forign to me as jupeter air
[04:30] <_gtt_> haha
[04:30] <_gtt_> adamonline46: gimme a min to research it
[04:31] <adamonline46> I think it might be curlftpfs
[04:31] <kub^> pyrotix still blocked mate
[04:31] <_gtt_> http://blog.mypapit.net/2007/05/how-to-use-ftp-filesystem-on-ubuntu-using-curlftpfs.html
[04:31] <_gtt_> yes
[04:31] <pyrotix> >.<
[04:31] <_gtt_> adamonline46: that's it
[04:31] <kub^> pyrotix:  you dont have any odd port triggers going on?
[04:37] <intelikey> hmmm is that a bell.ca  network subset ?
[04:39] <intelikey> i was trying to tracepath back to him to see where it jumped off    his isp may be blocking him.    "pyrotix"
[04:39] <genii> Bah. Shouldn't smb://name@someservername/sharename     work?
[04:41] <kub^> intelikey: it is a bell.ca one he moved his webserver to port 81 tho and nmap -P0 -p T:80,81 picks them up as filtered
[04:42] <intelikey> k   so it could be his isp blocking port 80    no ?
[04:43] <_gtt_> genii: it should
[04:43] <kub^> maybe but why would they block port 80? anyway im off to bed its 5am i do like a good network issue to wrestle with but i should get some sleep im off to tenerife when i wake up, gn gl :)
[04:43] <kub^> port 81 *
[04:44] <genii> _gtt_: Should prompt for password, I would hope.
[04:46] <adamonline46> genii: That's exactly what I'm doing on my machine.  I can access the shares just fine from my WinXP machine, so I know it's a client-side thing...
[04:46] <_gtt_> not if you're using forced user share level authentication thought right?
[04:47] <genii> I have share = user
[04:48] <genii> security = user     rather :)
[04:48] <_gtt_> ok, me too.
[04:48] <_gtt_> did you use smbpasswd -a and -e ?
[04:49] <paperfunk> argh
[04:49] <genii> _gtt_: Yup
[04:49] <_gtt_> yours works?
[04:49] <genii> _gtt_: I have usernames for system same as samba names, same passwords etc as well
[04:50] <_gtt_> me too.
[04:50] <_gtt_> but mine doesn't work :(
[04:51] <adamonline46> I feel you, _gtt_
[04:51] <intelikey> what means the output of ifconfig where inet addr:*.*.*.*  P-t-P:*.*.*.*  are different   ?
[04:52] <justyb1123> intelikey: This is a PPP connection
[04:52] <justyb1123> intelikey: Or could be PPPoE.  Either way you are using a point to point connection.
[04:53] <intelikey> justyb1123 yes ppp
[04:53] <_gtt_> i gotta get to setting up vpn at some point too.
[04:54] <intelikey> so inet addr:  is the isp and  P-t-P: is this box ?
[04:54] <justyb1123> intelikey: the addr is your address. P-t-P is the remote
[04:54] <intelikey> you sure ?
[04:55] <justyb1123> intelikey: http://whatsmyip.org/  Check it out
[04:55] <intelikey> cause tracepath to the P-t-P goes dirrectly to the box on the 192. network.    and tracepath to the  inet addr:  goes to the isp
[04:56] <intelikey> justyb1123 thanks i will
[04:56]  * genii messes with his smb.conf
[04:56]  * maduser messed with xorg.conf
[04:56]  * intelikey messes
[04:56] <justyb1123> intelikey: that's right.
[04:57] <vellakd> Okay, I got one for ya: how do I map additional keys on a mouse to key commands?
[04:57] <justyb1123> intelikey: The P-t-P address is the connection end of the tunnel.  That's your modem.
[04:57] <intelikey> justyb1123 heh according to that page nothing in  ifconfig is right
[04:58] <intelikey> justyb1123 ok and the   inet addr is ?
[04:58] <justyb1123> intelikey: Is the address routed to you other end of the tunnel at the ISP
[04:59] <t1n0m3n> I am on the live CD....  how do I mount the floppy disk?
[04:59] <justyb1123> intelikey: PPP is a Layer 2 protocol
[05:00] <t1n0m3n> I assume I need /media/floppy and something in fstab
[05:00] <intelikey> justyb1123 k
[05:00] <maduser> DOes the floppy appear on the desktop?
[05:00] <t1n0m3n> no
[05:00] <t1n0m3n> there is no entry in fstab either
[05:00] <justyb1123> intelikey: Whereas IP is a Layer 3 protocol.
[05:01] <intelikey> t1n0m3n mount /dev/fd0 /mnt
[05:01] <maduser> I had a similar problem with my HD
[05:01] <maduser> Does the floppy appear in the disks and filesystems?
[05:02] <intelikey> t1n0m3n don't forget to umount it before you remove the disk
[05:02] <justyb1123> intelikey: So you use PPP(oE) to make a physical link to the ISP network.  This is also known as an Ethernet bridge
[05:02] <t1n0m3n> ubuntu@ubuntu:/media$ sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppymount: you must specify the filesystem typeubuntu@ubuntu:/media$
[05:02] <t1n0m3n> vfat right?
[05:02] <maduser> is it?
[05:02] <t1n0m3n> yes
[05:02] <justyb1123> intelikey: In a sense
[05:02]  * mrtimbo hi
[05:02] <maduser> does it appear in the disk and filsystems in avancced settings?
[05:03] <maduser> if it does you could mount it from there
[05:03] <t1n0m3n> woot, that got it  "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy"
[05:04] <justyb1123> intelikey: Firewalls and router rules are going to dictate a lot about what infromation you get from the public Internet
[05:04] <intelikey> t1n0m3n you don't need the type   but yes...
[05:04] <genii> _gtt_: Try:     smb://username@servername/username
[05:04] <t1n0m3n> intelikey: it said that I needed the filetype or it would not mount
[05:05] <intelikey> justyb1123 t1n0m3n that was a false error.   caused by a first run on the device   udev had to create the device node.
[05:06] <t1n0m3n> ahh, cool
[05:06] <intelikey> i.e.  just issuing the same command would probably have mounted the same as adding the fs type
[05:07] <justyb1123> intelikey: I'm interested in your network setup.
[05:07] <intelikey> justyb1123 dialup
[05:07] <intelikey> or do you mean the dmz this side of the modem ?
[05:07] <justyb1123> intelikey: No public side.  So it's PPP?
[05:08] <intelikey> it's dialup modem   yes ppp
[05:09] <justyb1123> intelikey: Your box is getting a 192.168.*.* address from your ISP?
[05:09] <intelikey> justyb1123 no.  that's this side of the gatewat
[05:09] <intelikey> gateway
[05:10] <justyb1123> intelikey:  Okay so you have a router that dials into ISP.  The box you are sitting at is not the router?
[05:10] <intelikey> no router
[05:11] <intelikey> well ok you can call the gateway box a router if that term applies.
[05:11] <intelikey> like i said i'm network illiterate.
[05:12] <intelikey> the hard part of setting up this network was getting the 192.168.1.0/24 and the 192.168.0.0/24 to seemlessly connect through one box.
[05:13] <justyb1123> intelikey:  Okay so gateway.  The gateway dials into your ISP?
[05:13] <intelikey> yes
[05:14] <justyb1123> intelikey: The gateway is not the system you are currently using?
[05:14] <intelikey> no
[05:14] <justyb1123> intelikey: So you are sitting at the gateway?
[05:14] <intelikey> no.
[05:14] <intelikey> it's in another room
[05:15] <justyb1123> intelikey: Okay so you are not sitting at the gateway.  Got'cha.
[05:16] <justyb1123> intelikey: Now the gateway has an internal address of 192.168.1.X/24?
[05:16] <WildeSehnsucht> hi. i would like to restrict *some* (not all) applications to send any data to broadcast on the network (255.255.255.255). is there any gui tool to control things like these?
[05:16] <intelikey> 192.168.0.0/24
[05:17] <justyb1123> intelikey: So the internal netwark is 192.168.0.*/24  So the system you are sitting at is prefixed with 192.168.0?
[05:17] <intelikey> the DMZ server has both  192.168.0.0/24 and  192.168.1.0/24   and the other boxen connect through it
[05:17] <justyb1123> intelikey: I see you have a DMZ
[05:19] <justyb1123> intelikey: So if I get this right...  Client network 192.168.0.*.  DMZ zone 192.168.1.*  And then you have a modem that dials into your ISP
[05:19] <Agent_bob> don't panic.  my isp does that to me even when no one is messing with my connection   lol
[05:19] <Agent_bob> <<< intelikey
[05:20] <AdamB> ok I'm running some apps in wine, and they look like arse, so i tried the themeing stuff in wine, i got some .msstyles from the net and they work sorta... things like buttons and such still look very windows 95ish, is this as far as themeing goes in wine?
[05:20] <Agent_bob> justyb1123 something like that.    inet--modem-box1-eth0--192.168.0.0/24--eth0-box6-eth1--192.168.1.0/24--
[05:21] <justyb1123> intelikey:  Okay then you have your ppp0 interface?
[05:22] <Agent_bob> s/modem/ppp0/   if you will
[05:23] <justyb1123> Okay so ifconfig ppp0 gives you some infromation?
[05:23] <Agent_bob> only on the box with the modem in it      :)
[05:24] <justyb1123> Of course.
[05:24] <Agent_bob> of course
[05:25] <justyb1123> So now the addr of ppp0 on the gateway is the address given to you by the ISP.
[05:25] <Agent_bob> and thats where i was wondering about the  different addresses for   inet addr:  and  P-n-P;
[05:25] <Agent_bob> yes it is.
[05:26] <justyb1123> So now when you go to http://whatsmyip.org/  it tells you that your public IP is different than the addr field?
[05:27] <Agent_bob> no it's the same.
[05:27] <Agent_bob> and it's the one you see with a /whois me
[05:27] <justyb1123> Agent_bob: Okay that's what I was wondering about.
[05:28] <Agent_bob> but if i try to trace path to that address i only get a path to the isp  not to the gateway box   and that's what throw me for a loop
[05:29] <justyb1123> So the addr address is the address that the ISP says you have.  The P-t-P address is the end point on the tunnel to your ISP.
[05:29] <Agent_bob> which end ?
[05:29] <Agent_bob> the isp's end or my end ?
[05:31] <justyb1123> At your ISP end.
[05:32] <justyb1123> Your end is the addr
[05:32] <Agent_bob> odd   tracepath to the P-t-P address takes me streight to the 192.* of the gateway box....
[05:33] <justyb1123> from the gateway box or from a client system?
[05:34] <Agent_bob> from the client
[05:34] <justyb1123> That's because the route has to pass through your gateway in order to reach the Internet.
[05:35] <justyb1123> Since your P-t-P address prefix does not equal the prefix of your client it goes stright to the gateway to decide the fate.
[05:35] <Agent_bob> yeah but it never returns anything from the inet
[05:36] <justyb1123> Do you ever get a reached message from tracepath to the P-t-P address?
[05:36] <Agent_bob> a trace to the   inet addr:  goes the same first steps and then hits the isp and ends the search
[05:36] <Agent_bob> justyb1123 no.
[05:37] <justyb1123> 1:  68.X.X.X      0.867ms reached  Like this?
[05:37] <Agent_bob> no
[05:37] <Agent_bob> 22:  no reply
[05:37] <Agent_bob> 23:  no reply
[05:37] <Agent_bob> that expires &
[05:39] <justyb1123> Okay that is normal.
[05:39] <biovore> icmp is probably block or dosn't respond to traceroute..
[05:39] <biovore> locked down router..
[05:39] <Agent_bob> i get a destination on the inet addr    but not on the p-t-p addr  just the hops to the gateway and then the no reply
[05:39] <adamonline46> If I ripped an .avi with acidrip, which codec do I need to play it on my windows machine?
[05:39] <Agent_bob> biovore could be if there was a router
[05:39] <biovore> or ipv6 tunnel ?
[05:40] <justyb1123> biovore: No with a PPP tunnel how are you going to trace to a point you pass every time you hit the Internet?
[05:40] <Agent_bob> nope no ipv6 either
[05:40] <biovore> oh this a ppp tunnel over ssh or something?
[05:41] <justyb1123> biovore: Just an ISP dial up connection.
[05:43] <biovore> you get the same thing on cable modems.. ussualy the last mile is something weird..  here comcast actualy moves IP traffic over ipv6 to the modems then un-encapuslated.  The frist few hops on trace route are not routable.. and show as no-reply
[05:43] <biovore> with dial-up it depends on the ras system there ussing..
[05:44] <justyb1123> Think of it this way.  The P-t-P address is like the end of a train tunnel.  Your data enters the tunnel going towards the P-t-P address.  Once it leaves the tunnel it's still looking for the P-t-P address but it can not because it has already lassed the point.
[05:44] <biovore> yes..
[05:44] <biovore> you do have that too..
[05:45] <justyb1123> Most routers on your ISP have some form of STP to prevent loop back packets.  So the packet timeout and is discarded.
[05:45] <biovore> ptp should be an encapustion..
[05:46] <biovore> so basicly putting a letter in an envolope then send to the other end of the tunnel.. then pulls the letter out of the envlope and sends it along..
[05:47] <justyb1123> biovore: What are you encapsulating?  PPP is a layer 2 protocol.  It acts just like a Ethernet wire streched all the way to the ISP
[05:48] <justyb1123> biovore: encapsulation is like encoding IPX protocols in an IP packet.  Or sending SOAP request over HTTP
[05:49] <justyb1123> biovore: You take one method of one layer and send it via a different method within the same layer.
[05:50] <Agent_bob> here i ran this from the DMZ server.  if it makes it any more clear.   and justyb1123 i can see what you were saying...  thanks for clearing that up.
[05:51] <Trigger> hey guys
[05:51] <Agent_bob> Trigger
[05:51] <Trigger> my brother and I just got kubuntu on his computer sorta
[05:51] <Trigger> we got it to load
[05:52] <Trigger> although we are sorta lost
[05:52] <Trigger> when we loaded it from his comp wtih windows
[05:52] <Trigger> it  was similar to windows itself
[05:52] <Trigger> now that we loaded on a comp with no other os
[05:52] <Trigger> alot of text has come up
[05:52] <Trigger> we are assuming we need to add a user
[05:52] <Trigger> but, are a bit lost as to how to do this.
[05:53] <Agent_bob> you don't get a GUI login screen ?
[05:53] <Trigger> GUI?
[05:53] <justyb1123> So in cable modem you would have (Coax - 802.1D - IP - TCP - HTTP)  If we were going to a web page.  On dial-up (RJ-11 - PPP - IP - TCP -HTTP)
[05:53] <Trigger> if that means graphic user interface
[05:53] <Trigger> then no
[05:54] <biovore> yup
[05:54] <biovore> ppp is like hdlc
[05:54] <Agent_bob> ok.  probably need to reconfigure xorg
[05:54] <Trigger> i should probably point out that we are loading it from my external hard drive >.<
[05:54] <justyb1123> biovore: si...
[05:54] <Trigger> because the new comp has no dvd drive cd drive or floppy drive
[05:54] <Trigger> xorg?
[05:54] <justyb1123> I mean yes.
[05:55] <Agent_bob> Trigger yeah.   ok. can you login in the console ?
[05:55] <justyb1123> Okay I have got to go.
[05:55] <Trigger> not at the moment
[05:55] <Agent_bob> console ~= the dos prompt
[05:55] <justyb1123> Bye.
[05:55] <Trigger> we can enter things although i have no idea if it would qualify as a dos prompt
[05:56] <Agent_bob> Trigger ?
[05:56] <Trigger> most of what we enter comes up as invalid command
[05:56] <Agent_bob> ok describe in detail what it does do
[05:56] <Agent_bob> what you see.
[05:56] <Trigger> it says ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[05:56] <Trigger> and we can type something
[05:57] <Agent_bob> ok you are in a console
[05:57] <Trigger> ok any idea where to go from there?
[05:57] <Agent_bob> now type this into it.    sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:58] <rich1> how do i set dolphin up to show hidden files by default?
[05:58] <Trigger> it asked to autodetect from video card
[05:58] <Agent_bob> it should start asking you questions about your hardware.
[05:58] <Trigger> yeah it is
[05:58] <Agent_bob> Trigger yes tell it yes
[05:59] <Trigger> and now it seems to be locked up
[05:59] <Agent_bob> we hope not.
[06:00] <Trigger> it says any users of computers with multiple video devices  specify the bus idea
[06:00] <Trigger> *id
[06:00] <bmk789_> anyone know how to configure a mute button?
[06:00] <Trigger> then it says ok at the bottom but, when we hit enter it won't let us continue
[06:00] <Agent_bob> do you have more than one vidio card ?
[06:00] <Trigger> no
[06:00] <Trigger> its a single 8800
[06:00] <bmk789_> when i press it, it says mute on or mute off but it doesnt actually mute the adapter
[06:00] <Trigger> we do have quad core processor
[06:01] <Agent_bob> then leave it blank and hit enter
[06:01] <Trigger> when he hits enter nothing happens
[06:01] <Trigger> he can scroll up and down but, hitting enter does nothing
[06:04] <Trigger> any idea why hitting enter does nothing? 0.o
[06:05] <Agent_bob> actually. no.
[06:05] <Agent_bob> press the three key combo   alt+sysRQ+r   and try again maybe
[06:06] <Trigger> sysRQ?
[06:06] <Agent_bob> on desktop 102key  it is shared with print-screen
[06:06] <Agent_bob> lappy could be anywhere
[06:07] <Trigger> oh ><
[06:07] <Trigger> its a desktop
[06:07] <Agent_bob> look on the print-screen button
[06:07] <Trigger> and now we are back to console 0.o
[06:08] <Agent_bob> ok   finished the config ?
[06:08] <Trigger> it restarted
[06:08] <Trigger> we did the alt sysrq r
[06:08] <Trigger> and now its asking about kernal frame buffer device interface
[06:09] <Agent_bob> tell it no
[06:09] <Agent_bob> it didn't restart   it waited on you.
[06:09] <Trigger> oh >.<
[06:09] <yuriy> knetworkmanager keeps connecting to a network on startup that i don't want to connect to, how do i make it stop?
[06:09] <Agent_bob> what you just saw happen was kdm retrying to start
[06:10] <Agent_bob> now i understand what you were trying to describe
[06:10] <Trigger> hm
[06:10] <Trigger> now its asking mouse protocal
[06:11] <Trigger> ImPS/2
[06:11] <Agent_bob> prolly
[06:11] <Trigger> or ExplorerPs/2
[06:11] <Agent_bob> what kind of mouse do you have
[06:11] <Agent_bob> how is it connected to the computer ?
[06:11] <Trigger> threw a mouse port
[06:11] <Agent_bob> imps2
[06:12] <Agent_bob> short for improved ps2
[06:12] <Trigger> write files section to configuration file/
[06:12] <Trigger> *?
[06:12] <Agent_bob> yes
[06:13] <Trigger> it asked default color depth in bits
[06:13] <Agent_bob> 24
[06:13] <Trigger> my brother selected 25 and hit enter
[06:13] <Trigger> and brought us back to the console
[06:13] <Trigger> it left the 24 up there
[06:13] <Agent_bob> ok type in       sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[06:13] <Agent_bob> the screen sill change...
[06:14] <Agent_bob> we hope it loads the gui.
[06:14] <Agent_bob> sill/will/
[06:14] <Trigger> right now its just a  blinking underscore.
[06:15] <Agent_bob> that's not good.
[06:15] <Agent_bob> that is after the command ?
[06:15] <Trigger> well that does suck >.<
[06:15] <Trigger> yeah
[06:16] <Agent_bob> you can run through the configuration again and select  vesa   for the vidio driver and try that
[06:17] <Trigger> out of curiosity
[06:17] <Trigger> there were two steps we skipped when entering the code to my external hard drive
[06:17] <Trigger> one was a code which we entered
[06:17] <Agent_bob> oh and you are new to the linux console.  let me explain right quick that you have 6 consoles running and you can switch between them with   ctrl+alt+f#  where f# is f1 through f6
[06:17] <Trigger> I say we skipped it but, its more like I don't have any idea if we entered it right
[06:18] <Agent_bob> ok what were they ?
[06:18] <Trigger> well from using https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[06:18] <Trigger> we didn't enter syslinux -maf X:
[06:19] <Trigger> well we did but, I don't think it worked properly
[06:19] <Trigger> #
[06:19] <Trigger>  
[06:19] <Trigger> Kubuntu difference: text editor 'kwrite' instead of 'gedit'.
[06:19] <Trigger> #
[06:19] <Trigger>  
[06:19] <Trigger> Kubuntu difference: replace 'preseed/ltsp.seed' by 'preseed/kubuntu.seed'.
[06:19] <Trigger> was the other
[06:22] <Trigger> btw thx for your help >.<
[06:23] <Agent_bob> Trigger that's all a boot issue.  you are at a linux console, so it booted.   the issue you are having is an xorg issue.  if you get xorg configured propperly you will get the GUI   kde
[06:23] <Trigger> hm we got something switching to visa
[06:24] <Trigger> hm just making sure >.<
[06:24] <Trigger> ok it booted for a brief second with GUI
[06:24] <Trigger> like we saw the mouse
[06:24] <Trigger> with a blue screen in back
[06:24] <Trigger> and then it switched back to the blinking underscore
[06:25] <Agent_bob> Trigger one other thing   you can use the command   startx   to test xorg
[06:25] <Agent_bob> that should help you debug it.  by displaying some error message about why it's not working
[06:25] <Agent_bob> look for     EE in the output.
[06:25] <Trigger> how can we get into the console from just the blinking underscore?
[06:26] <Agent_bob> oh and you are new to the linux console.  let me explain right quick that you have 6 consoles running and you can switch between them with   ctrl+alt+f#  where f# is f1 through f6  <<<
[06:26] <Trigger> wait stupid question>.<
[06:26] <Trigger> srry right after i asked i scrolled back up .>,
[06:27] <Trigger> ok this is rather wierd
[06:27] <Trigger> when we entered start x
[06:27] <Trigger> it popped up with a blue screen and the mouse
[06:27] <Trigger> now its displaying some data
[06:28] <abdulla> guys which is better for gmail ? imap or POP3?
[06:28] <Trigger> for Ee it says AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRi capable
[06:28] <Agent_bob> i'm going to guess   "your session lasted less than 10 seconds..."  message
[06:29] <Agent_bob> Trigger anyother EE  ?
[06:29] <Trigger> no
[06:29] <Trigger> thats the only EE
[06:30] <Agent_bob> Trigger try this one.     X & sleep 4 ; x-terminal-emulator --display :0
[06:32] <Agent_bob> that should dump you into a gui based terminal   the reason for the test is to determine if it's an xorg problem or a de problem
[06:32] <Trigger> ok
[06:32] <Trigger> now its on  a grey screen
[06:32] <Trigger> with black x for a curser
[06:32] <Agent_bob> yes and did a window open in it ?
[06:33] <Trigger> no
[06:33] <Trigger> just a blank grey screen with  a black x in the middle
[06:33] <Agent_bob> ok use   crtl+alt+f1   and see what's it saying
[06:33] <Trigger> although I think my brother accidently put a space between : and 0
[06:34] <Agent_bob> that answered one thing already.  you have xorg working  it just isn't finding anything to do.
[06:34] <Agent_bob> i.e. not starting kde
[06:34] <Trigger> Fatal Server error:
[06:34] <Trigger> server is already active for display 0
[06:35] <Trigger> if this server is no longer running, remove/tmp/.X0-lock
[06:35] <Trigger> -bash: Sleep: command not found
[06:35] <Trigger> segmentation fault (core dumped_
[06:35] <Agent_bob> no caps.
[06:35] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:35] <Agent_bob> everything in the linux console is case sensitive
[06:36] <Agent_bob> hmmm what segfalted ?
[06:36] <Agent_bob> is the box networked ?
[06:36] <Trigger> box networked?
[06:37] <Agent_bob> the computer you are working on.   is it connected to a network    "internet"
[06:37] <Trigger> no
[06:37] <Trigger> it has no os to run net drivers
[06:37] <Trigger> and no built in wifi card attached or external
[06:37] <cam_> hey guys hows it going
 it has no os to run net drivers <<< has the same OS i'm using.
[06:38] <Trigger> ok well 20 minutes ago it had no os to run net drives.
[06:39] <Agent_bob> ok. :)   well.  the reason i asked was a quick reinstall of kdebase might fix your problem.   but that would require a network connection.
[06:39] <Trigger> we have a usb usb cable but, I somehow doubt that is gunna help atm
[06:40] <Agent_bob> if i knew networking...    but alas not well enough to walk you through a cli usb2usb framework.
[06:41] <Trigger> lol
[06:41] <Trigger> we are still booting from my external hard drive >><
[06:42] <Agent_bob> Trigger i'm not sure what to say.   you have xorg working.   i don't know what segfalted.   and i don't know why kde isn't starting.     you can try this if you want.   export display=':0' ;startkde
[06:43] <cam_> is there a diffrence b/w xorg and xfree86?
[06:44] <Trigger> a list of options came up
[06:44] <Agent_bob> yes
[06:44] <Agent_bob> cam_ yes there is.
[06:44] <Agent_bob> Trigger what options ?
[06:44] <Trigger> grammar display host id id name name font name remove propname set propname value root
[06:45] <cam_> is one newer than the other Agent_bob
[06:45] <Trigger> len n notype fs filename frame f propnameformat
[06:46] <Agent_bob> cam_ i assume that xfree86 is still maintained  they forked about 4 years ago
[06:46] <Trigger> hey bob does it make any difference that we are booting from our external hard drive?
[06:47] <Agent_bob> Trigger where are you seeing these options ?
[06:47] <Trigger> when i entered the command you gave me
[06:47] <Trigger> thats the list of options it gave me
[06:47] <Agent_bob> Trigger yes and no.   yes in that it's the live CD we are working with.  no in that it should all work the same form any media.
[06:48] <Trigger> well earlier you mentioned replacing a particular file
[06:48] <adamonline46> hello.  Does anyone know why I can't seem to connect to any samba servers from my kubuntu install?
[06:48] <Trigger> i was just wondering if it made any difference that it was on my external hard drive
[06:48] <Agent_bob> it shouldn't have given any otpions.
[06:49] <Trigger> to list everything it said
[06:49] <Trigger> startkde:shutting down...
[06:49] <Agent_bob> Trigger ues the right alt key and the left dirrectional arrow and scroll left looking for a gui
[06:50] <Trigger> grey screen with the black x in the middle
[06:51] <Agent_bob> !samba | adamonline46 all i can do is point you at the docs
[06:51] <ubotu> adamonline46 all i can do is point you at the docs: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[06:51] <Agent_bob> and that's probably old hat to you.
[06:51] <Agent_bob> Trigger ok.
[06:52] <adamonline46> Agent_bob: Thank you, and yeah, it's been scoured 8)
[06:52] <Agent_bob> Trigger i'm going to have to give up on that pinguin.  without a network connection there is so little i can think of to do to it.
[06:52] <Trigger> well we have a spare wireless adapter
[06:52] <Trigger> any chance we can actually network it?
[06:53] <Agent_bob> depends on the chipset
[06:53] <Trigger> chipset?
[06:53] <Agent_bob> !wifi | Trigger check here before you try it.
[06:53] <ubotu> Trigger check here before you try it.: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:53] <sasha_> if i change a setting in bttv in /etc/modprobe.d do i need to reload anything for the changes to take effect ?
[06:53] <Agent_bob> if the chip is supported without having ot use ndiswraper  then yes probably.
[06:54] <Agent_bob> @ Trigger ^
[06:54] <Trigger> ok
[06:54] <Trigger> umm..
[06:54] <Agent_bob> sasha_ yes.
[06:54] <Trigger> gunna throw this out there
[06:54] <Cam1223> oh man good luck i spent like 4 days gettin my wifi to work
[06:54] <Trigger> i do have an ethernet cable too 0.o
[06:54] <sasha_> Agent_bob, unload and reload the module ?
[06:54] <Trigger> that i can connect directly to both comps
[06:55] <Agent_bob> sasha_ yes
[06:55] <sasha_> Agent_bob, thx
[06:55] <Agent_bob> Trigger then you have a network.  linux does that very well.
[06:56] <Agent_bob> crossover eth cable is as they say "da bomb"
[06:56] <Trigger> ok i plugged the ether net cable from one comp to the other
[06:57] <Agent_bob> ok what the other running ?
[06:57] <Trigger> yes i'm on my laptop and both comps are running
[06:57] <Agent_bob> what is it running tho
[06:57]  * Agent_bob doesn't do windows
[06:57] <Trigger> gah ..<
[06:57] <Trigger> i'm on windows xp
[06:58] <Agent_bob> k you'll have to set it to share your internet connection
[06:58] <Trigger> ok how do i do that?
[06:59] <Agent_bob> then on the linux side   sudo ifup eth0     should get you an ip.
[06:59] <Agent_bob> how indeed.   you are the one that uses windows.    not me.
[07:00] <Agent_bob> back in win9x it was in   my computer   control pannel   networking
[07:00] <Agent_bob> xp i have no clue.
[07:00] <Trigger> on the linux side
[07:00] <Agent_bob> sudo ifup eth0
[07:00] <Trigger> it says ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[07:01] <Agent_bob> ifconfig    to see if it's up.
[07:01] <fedler> hi all!  Is irc just like a chat room?
[07:01] <fedler> or is this a support line?
[07:01] <Agent_bob> this is the official support for kubuntu
[07:01] <ardchoille> fedler: This is a support channel for Kubuntu
[07:01] <Agent_bob> !topic
[07:01] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[07:01] <Trigger> it seems to be up
[07:02] <fedler> k have a good holiday and thanks
[07:02] <Agent_bob> Trigger    sudo ping google.com
[07:02] <Agent_bob> fedler there are other channels
[07:02] <Agent_bob> too late.
[07:02] <Trigger> ping: unknown host google.com
[07:02] <Agent_bob> Trigger ok.
[07:02] <Agent_bob> ping the ip of the windows box
[07:03] <Trigger> ping the windows box?
[07:03] <Agent_bob> yes
[07:04] <Trigger> that would be sudo ping windows box?
[07:04] <Agent_bob> no it's ip
[07:04] <Agent_bob> something like   4.69.132.105
[07:05] <Agent_bob> or 192.168.0.1
[07:05] <Agent_bob> what ever it is.
[07:06] <Agent_bob> what address did you get from the    ifconfig   command when you ran it?
[07:06] <Trigger> ok it keeps going
[07:06] <Trigger> says 64 bytes from my ip
[07:06] <Agent_bob> ^c
[07:07] <Agent_bob> that ctrl+c
[07:07] <Trigger> then icmp_seq=
[07:07] <Trigger> 38 packets transmitted 38 recieved 0% packets lost
[07:09] <Agent_bob> good. you can transfer data.   check the  dns address on the windows box and set the same in the linux box     to set it   sudo /etc/resolv.conf
[07:09] <Agent_bob> good. you can transfer data.   check the  dns address on the windows box and set the same in the linux box     to set it   sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf
[07:10] <Agent_bob> not sure if you have to ifupdown to reread that.  anyone ?
[07:10] <Agent_bob> i think you do... ?
[07:10] <Trigger> command not found
[07:11] <Agent_bob> i typoed the first one ^
[07:11] <Agent_bob> nano is  the default cli based text editor in *buntu
[07:12] <Trigger> command still not found
[07:12] <Agent_bob> full error message please ?
[07:12] <Trigger> wow this tijme it brought me to a new screen
[07:12] <Trigger> says ^G get help
[07:12] <Agent_bob> that's nano
[07:12] <Trigger> ^O WriteOut
[07:13] <Agent_bob> the text editor
[07:13] <Trigger> ok
[07:13] <Agent_bob> and the  ^ means the ctrl key
[07:13] <Agent_bob> or as some say   super
[07:13] <Trigger> alright so where should I go.
[07:14] <Agent_bob> you should write in   nameserver *.*.*.*      where the *.*. is the actual address
[07:14] <Agent_bob> save and exit.
[07:15] <Trigger> file name to write? 0.o
[07:16] <Agent_bob> it should list the /etc/resolv.conf  as the default option
[07:16] <Trigger> ok
[07:16] <Agent_bob> just hit enter
[07:16] <Trigger> error writing no such file or directory
[07:16] <Trigger> musta entered address wrong
[07:16] <Agent_bob> no.
[07:17] <Agent_bob> let me think a minute.
[07:17] <Agent_bob> live CD.... that should still be writable.
[07:17] <Agent_bob> switch to tty2 and     sudo touch /etc/resolv.conf
[07:19] <Trigger> touch: cannot touch `/ect/resolv.conf': No such file or directory
[07:19] <Agent_bob> oh my
[07:22] <Agent_bob> i could have expected something like    touch: cannot touch `/bob': Permission denied  or even  touch: cannot touch `/mnt/cdrom/bob': Read-only file system    but that error message doesn't make sense to me
[07:23] <sn00zer> hello all, is it possible to upgrade a single app? i know i can do aptitude upgrade and it will upgrade anything available, but I only want to upgrade clamav
[07:23] <Trigger> hm
[07:23]  * Trigger sighs
[07:24] <maduser> HI
[07:24] <Agent_bob> sn00zer yes   you can   apt-get install --reinstall blah  and it should upgrade it to the latest
[07:24] <Trigger> newbs bad luck never seems to fail
[07:24] <sn00zer> thanks
[07:24] <Agent_bob> Trigger yeah.   i've been there.   that's one reason i try to help in here.
[07:24] <Trigger> lol i appreciate it
[07:25] <Lynoure> Trigger: there was a typo in what you wrote, I think
[07:25] <Lynoure> Trigger: not /ect/resolv.conf but /etc/resolv.conf
[07:26] <Trigger> so its /ect/resolv.conf
[07:26] <Agent_bob> no
[07:26] <Agent_bob> etc
[07:26] <Lynoure> But of course I cannot tell if it was a typo in your command (that would explain the error)
[07:26] <Trigger> well in full sudo touch /ect/resolv.conf
[07:26] <Agent_bob> Lynoure you nailed it.  i just tested
[07:26] <Lynoure> or in your writing of the error.
[07:26] <Agent_bob> Trigger no
[07:26] <Agent_bob> not ect   etc
[07:27] <Trigger> ok
[07:27] <Trigger> well i did etc
[07:27] <Trigger> and nothing happened
[07:28] <Agent_bob> good   no error means no error
[07:28] <Trigger> ok now i got something
[07:28] <Agent_bob> can you ping google.com now ?
[07:28] <Trigger> [ 4252.468676] Buffer I/O error on device sdb5
[07:29] <Agent_bob> sdb5 ?   pindrive with multiple partitions ?
[07:29] <Trigger> ping: unknown host
[07:29] <Trigger> external hard drive
[07:29] <Trigger> it has 2 partitions
[07:30] <Agent_bob> oh i think you have to   sudo ifconfig eth0 down ;sudo ifup eth0
[07:30] <Agent_bob> to make it read the new dns info
[07:31] <Trigger> unknown interface eth0=eth0
[07:31] <Agent_bob> you got that a while ago to  so did it change anything ?
[07:32] <Trigger> i guess not
[07:32] <Agent_bob> still can't ping outside the dmz    it could be on the windows side still
[07:33] <Trigger> maybe
[07:33] <Agent_bob> you need someone that is better with networking and knows windows
[07:33] <Trigger> it has an exclaimation mark on the LAC
[07:33] <Trigger> for windows meaning poor connection
[07:34] <Trigger> worth a shot to renew my connection >.<
[07:34]  * Agent_bob knows file systems and cli apps.  not windows and networking
[07:34] <Trigger> hm
[07:34] <Trigger> wonder if anyone knows winedows and networking >.<
[07:35] <bazhang> windows?
[07:35] <Trigger> yeah
[07:36] <Agent_bob> bazhang linux to windows to world.
[07:36] <bazhang> oh
[07:36] <bazhang> just ask in windows irc channel but dont say a word about kubuntu :}
[07:37] <Agent_bob> that's a thought
[07:37] <Agent_bob> Trigger  /join ##windows
[07:37] <Trigger> lol and how would i go about asking XD
[07:37] <Agent_bob> ask them how to enable network sharing and how to test it
[07:38] <Agent_bob> errr share an internet connection   maybe
[07:38] <Trigger> hope they don't whois me
[07:38] <Agent_bob> that too
[07:40] <Agent_bob> anyway if you can get connected, or when you do.   ( sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdebase-bin kdebase-data )
[07:41] <Agent_bob> i have to make rounds.
[07:41] <Trigger> well thanks a mill
[07:41] <Agent_bob> welcome a gig
[07:41] <Trigger> a )
[07:41] <Trigger> # Joins: cj_sze27 (n=cj@125.5.162.22)
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[07:41] <Trigger> # Quits: vit_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
 well thanks a mill
[07:41] <Trigger> # Quits: Darkrift411 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
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[07:41] <Trigger> damn
[07:41] <Trigger> sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdebase-bin kdebase-data )
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[07:42] <Agent_bob> ardchoille that was an accident i'm sure.
[07:43] <ardchoille> Two in a row, yes, and I muted to stop the spam.
[07:43] <cj_sze27> what's that??
[07:47] <Xplicit> does the alt install cd need a working internet conection?
[07:48] <ardchoille> Xplicit: afaik, it installs from the cd itself
[07:54] <npurciful> i have a stupid problem
[07:54] <npurciful> maybe someone can give me some insite
[07:54] <se7en> !ask
[07:54] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:55] <npurciful> at KDM console login goes to black screen
[07:55] <npurciful> the option never lets you login
[07:55] <npurciful> after a minute or so goes back to kdm
[07:56] <npurciful> I have done dpkg-reconfigure kdm didnt help though
[07:57] <Trigger> ok
[07:57] <Trigger> when i tried to reinstall
[07:59] <Trigger> it said reading state information.. done
[07:59] <Trigger> 0 upgraded 0 newly installed 2 reinstalled 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[07:59] <Trigger> need to ge 10.8mbb of archives
[07:59] <Trigger> after unpacking 0b of additional disk space will be used
[07:59] <Trigger> do you want to continue?
[07:59] <Trigger> then it says err http://archive blah blah
[08:00] <Trigger> couldd not resolve 'archive.ubuntu.com'
[08:04] <Trigger> i don't guess anyone else can help me eh?
[08:05] <se7en> npurciful: you can strart x but you are not able to crtl+alt+F1 into a treminal?
[08:07] <npurciful> no
[08:07] <Lynoure> Trigger: maybe, but I haven't followed your whole timeline. Can you give a 2 line summary or something?
[08:07] <npurciful> i get blank
[08:07] <Trigger> ok. no gui.
[08:07] <adamonline46> How do I kill an application?  There's a key combination, right?
[08:07] <Trigger> attempted to use ethernet to reinstall kde
[08:08] <bazhang> alt f2 xkill click on the offending window
[08:08] <Lynoure> Trigger: have you pastebinned your /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf, and results of  ifconfig   already?
[08:09] <Trigger> yes
[08:09] <Trigger> if i haven't then i at least tried
[08:09] <Lynoure> where?
[08:09] <se7en> adamonline46: killall your aplication or top and search for the pid # and kill the #
[08:09] <bazhang> pasted in the channel or to pastebin Trigger
[08:09] <Trigger> nano
[08:10] <Lynoure> Trigger: pastebin url?
[08:10] <Trigger> pastebin url?
[08:10] <bazhang> heh
[08:10] <se7en> npurciful: if you have neither x nor terminal how did you do dpkg-reconfigure then?
[08:10] <adamonline46> se7en: I can't seem to find it in the top list... Hmm...  Do you know what Smb4k would be?
[08:11] <npurciful> i have x
[08:11] <Lynoure> !pastebin
[08:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:11] <Trigger> so you want me to past the convo as its been conversed?
[08:12] <Lynoure> Trigger: if you cannot get the text out to the web, even a digital photo of the text would really help.
[08:12] <Lynoure> Trigger: no, the stuff I said above:  /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf, and results of  ifconfig
[08:12] <Trigger> oh
[08:12] <se7en> adamonline46: try s aux | grep smb4k
[08:13] <se7en> adamonline46: try ps aux | grep smb4k
[08:16] <npurciful> My basic problem is that the option to get to the Console in KDM, ctrl+ALT+F1 doesnt work blinking cursor
[08:17] <Trigger> ok
[08:17] <Trigger> i typed up the ip config info
[08:17] <Trigger> what kind of text should it be put in before i hit paste?
[08:18] <Trigger> *syntax
[08:18] <Trigger> text only?
[08:20] <Qarl> How does one downgrade the apt package flashplugin-nonfree to the one from a couple of weeks ago?  This new package chokes Konqi.
[08:20] <npurciful> hey i will be back, it think i found fix, let you know
[08:20] <ardchoille> !flashissue | Qarl
[08:20] <ubotu> Qarl: The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[08:20] <Qarl> ardchoille: oops.  I should of looked before asking.  Thanks
[08:21] <ardchoille> Qarl: No problem :)
[08:21] <Lynoure> Trigger: do not paste here, paste into the pastebin... No special formatting, just put what's in those files and what you get from that command.
[08:22] <Trigger> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49774/
[08:23] <Lynoure> Trigger: no wonder you get no network at all... no network interfaces up at all. I wonder if you have them in your /etc/network/interfaces either
[08:24] <adamonline46> se7en: That worked, thank you :)
[08:30] <npurciful> Okay fixed it
[08:31] <npurciful> the problem was i set vga=794 in grub, this i guess break console login
[08:32] <se7en> npurciful: :)
[08:34] <npurciful> Okay next how to fix my kubuntu loading screen its resolution is small as the and the logo takes the whole screen
[08:34] <Trigger> argh..
[08:34] <Trigger> ok so... restarted
[08:34] <Trigger> now my external hd isn't even registering :(
[08:39] <npurciful> it is like it is 640x480
[09:30] <hyper_ch> I can't graphically login anymore. When I look at the .xsession-errors file I has this:  http://phpfi.com/285597
[09:36] <fdoving> hyper_ch: did you upgrade anything recently?
[09:37] <hyper_ch> fdoving: nope
[09:37] <hyper_ch> fdoving: just a reboot after kontact and konqueror behaved strangely
[09:37] <hyper_ch> fdoving: however I got a new clue now:  http://phpfi.com/285597
[09:39] <konrad> I'm having a problem with Amarok. Special characters like Ã¥, Ã¤, Ã¶ display like ö
[09:39] <konrad> locale is sv_SE.UTF-8
[09:40] <konrad> I found a solution of manually setting the font to San Serif, but that didn't help either
[09:41] <Lynoure> konrad: I see those special characters wrong, apart from the ö (I get A with tilde + yen, A with tilde + currency, A with tilde + tab mark). What are they supposed to be?
[09:41] <Lynoure> konrad: possibly just a matter of using an unicode font that does all those.
[09:41] <fdoving> hyper_ch: do you use glx?
[09:42] <hyper_ch> fdoving: I think so
[09:42] <fdoving> i mean xgl
[09:42] <fdoving> you can try to disable it.
[09:42] <fdoving> if you make the file: ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable
[09:43] <fdoving> and restart kdm.
[09:43] <hyper_ch> fdoving: there's no xserver-xgl folder
[09:43] <fdoving> hyper_ch: make it.
[09:44] <hyper_ch> fdoving: just creating an empty file named disable?
[09:48] <poison--> mornin guys
[09:49] <fdoving> hyper_ch: yep.
[09:50] <hyper_ch> fdoving: ok, still need to wait a bit until the copying is done
[10:17] <amber_> Do labradooles have fur or wool because poodles have  wool and labradors have fur
[10:25] <se7en__> isn
[10:25] <se7en__> isn't there a comand for a calculator
[10:26] <Jucato> what are you looking for?
[10:29] <hyper_ch> fdoving: now restarting...
[10:30] <fdoving> se7en__: like 'bc' ?
[10:30] <Jucato> Alt+Space (Katapult) and Alt+F2 (Run Command) can functions as simple calculators too
[10:31] <fdoving> so can google
[10:31] <Jucato> but not as fast :P
[10:31] <Jucato> oh, and you need bc installed to be able to do floating point arithmetic in Run Command
[10:32] <se7en__> fdoving: yes thanks
[10:35] <milestone> hi all
[10:35] <milestone> can someone tell me why i should use strigi over kerry/beagle?
[10:36] <fdoving> in its current state you shouldn't in my opinion.
[10:36] <Jucato> :)
[10:36] <milestone> fdoving: well it comes with kubuntu in gutsy doesn't it?
[10:36] <fdoving> yes.
[10:37] <fdoving> that's not because it's the best solution at this time.
[10:37] <milestone> so kerry/beagle is better?
[10:37] <fdoving> I belive so, i use kerry/beagle myself in kde3.
[10:38] <milestone> ok
[10:38] <fdoving> strigi from svn, the development version, that comes with kde4 is much better than the gutsy version. atleast that's my experience.
[10:39] <milestone> fdoving: but really why was strigi being brought in? kerry/beagle does a good job in my opinion
[10:40] <emilsedgh> milestone: strigi is KDE3 is a simple tool, in KDE4 it plays a bigger role
[10:40] <emilsedgh> milestone: its super fast
[10:40] <se7en__> what is stiggi
[10:41] <Lynoure> no idea :)
[10:41] <Lynoure> strigi is a seach tool.
[10:41] <emilsedgh> strigi 'in' kde3, sorry for typo
[10:42] <se7en__> like find?
[10:44] <Jucato> more like locate
[10:44] <Jucato> it's an indexing app
[10:44] <Jucato> !strigi
[10:44] <ubotu> Services to index files for fast searching include: Beagle (front-ends: beagle, catfish, gnome-main-menu, mozilla-beagle for !GNOME; kerry, kio-beagle for !KDE; beaglefs for !CLI) - Tracker (tracker-search-tool, libdeskbar-tracker for GNOME; tracker-utils for CLI) - Strigi (strigi-applet, strigi-client for KDE, strigi-utils for CLI) - Kat (for KDE) - Pinot (and pinot-applet for GNOME) - Doodle (for CLI)
[10:44] <Jucato> hm..
[10:44] <milestone> se7en__: it is like google desktop search
[10:44] <Jucato> http://strigi.sourceforge.net/
[11:10] <se7en_> is the only place where i can find out something of the ram in cat /proc/meminfo which tells me how much ram is in the box but not what kind
[11:12] <ScorpKing> se7en_: try sudo lshw | less
[11:13] <serenity> hi
[11:14] <serenity> is there a kde GUI for unison?
[11:15] <ubuntu> Tiffi macht Sylvesterparty !!!
[11:31] <berkes> heyas! Somehow my soundsystem stopped working. Were there any updates that broke alsa, or some hardware recently?
[11:41] <serenity> is there a kde GUI for unison?
[11:47] <berkes> serenity: at least a GTK one. http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Synchronising_laptop_and_desktop_files_using_Unison#Test-run_unison-2.9.1-gtk
[11:48] <serenity> berkes: i know about that
[11:49] <serenity> ty
[11:53] <berkes> serenity: I assume you are looking for a K/QT frontend, not?
[11:53] <serenity> indeed
[11:54] <berkes> I canot find anything on kde-apps, so I guess it does not exist.
[11:54] <serenity> berkes: that was the first place of choice
[11:54] <berkes> but maybe there is a kommander script to be found?
[11:54] <berkes> if not, taht should not be too hard to make yourself :p
[11:54] <serenity> ergo: if it's not on kdeapps, there is none ;)
[11:55] <berkes> heeh
[12:01] <fadey> hi.I have a kde4 question.Does the lower pannel allow draging icons onto it?So far I had no luck
[12:01] <fdoving> fadey: yes, from the add widget box.
[12:02] <fdoving> right-click on the desktop, -> add widgets -> drag from the list to the panel.
[12:03] <fadey> thanks. I'll try
[12:04] <fadey> What could be a widget? The "Add widget" dialog shows a very limited number of them
[12:05] <fadey> could I drag a regular file?
[12:06] <fdoving> no, only widgets. you can however add a "Icon", then modify it to become an application launcher.
[12:11] <federico> w la fica
[12:11] <etfb> I'm having knetworkmanager trouble.  Can't convince it to automatically connect to a wireless access point, even when it's "known" to the system.  Any hints?
[12:12] <federico> ciao danilo
[12:12] <danilo> ciao
[12:12] <federico> a te funziona la wireless?
[12:12] <danilo> si
[12:12] <etfb> !it | federico
[12:12] <ubotu> federico: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:14] <absolutekold> Morning all...  hey has anyone had problems logging out..  sometimes when i log out of my (multiuser) box instead of going back to the kdm login it goes to tty8 and tty7 dosent even come up..
[12:15] <etfb> Is there a channel for debugging wireless problems on Ubuntu?  I keep asking about this one (a bunch of times in the last couple of weeks) but it seems wifi experts are pretty rare.
[12:16] <absolutekold> i log in from a prompt and startx works just fine but kdm wont come up unless i reboot manually..  this dosent bother me much but the other users who are afraid of the command line and have no sudo priv's get lost
[12:17] <fadey> did you try to restart kdm with an rc script?
[12:18] <absolutekold> no not yet..
[12:19] <absolutekold> it doesnt happen often just every so often so i just reboot and everything works fine..
[12:19] <absolutekold> will giv the rc scripts a try next time though
[12:21] <absolutekold> ...  next adventure orange box...
[12:21] <absolutekold> yeesh
[12:21] <Jucato> "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart" btw
[12:22] <absolutekold> thanks didn
[12:22] <absolutekold> **didn't see a restart command in the man page
[12:23] <Jucato> absolutekold: there's a predefined set of commands you can use with any init/rc script: start, stop, restart, reload, etc
[12:23] <Jucato> usually all init/rc scripts have those
[12:25] <PoeticJaffaCake> hey guys, I'm having a problem after installing kubuntu, with grub.  It hasn't picked up my vista installation on a second hardrive, which means I can't access it.  I have tried to edit the grub menu, but I'm having trouble getting the vista disk device id correct
[12:25] <etfb> !grub | PoeticJaffaCake
[12:25] <ubotu> PoeticJaffaCake: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:25] <PoeticJaffaCake> thank you
[12:25] <Dr_willis> The grub homepage has some very good docs also.
[12:26] <etfb> PoeticJaffaCake: No worries.  If it doesn't help, come back and there'll be battle-scarred veterans here to offer suggestions and/or sympathy...
[12:26] <PoeticJaffaCake> lol
[12:27] <HS^> hello i installed a package, and with it it installed alot of dependencies
[12:27] <HS^> now how do i uninstall them all
[12:27] <PoeticJaffaCake> it doesn't seem to tell me how to id the drive vista is on, i did try hd1,0
[12:28] <absolutekold> i should have guessed have had to do some of that when i had apache up and running, but its been a bit since i've played with init scripts. gonna post a bug at kde anyway..  this leading to the fact none of the other users have sudo ability nor the desire to ever see the command line.  they are still pissed that i havent givent the "house" computer over to windows.. but its still my box so f*.* em i say
[12:28] <HS^> if i just use synaptic and say uninstall package.. it just removes that 1 package
[12:28] <HS^> i want them all removed.
[12:28] <etfb> HS^: If you first uninstall the original package, it will tell you that the others ones are no longer needed, and you can use <<sudo apt-get autoremove>> to clear them out.
[12:29] <Dr_willis> depends on which drive is it.  /boot/grub/device.map may give you a clue PoeticJaffaCake
[12:29] <Dr_willis> hda = hd0 , hdb = hd1 Unless  theres no hdb...  :) then hdc may be hd1
[12:32] <PoeticJaffaCake> Dr_willis: the vista drive is hd1
[12:32] <PoeticJaffaCake> do I map that exactly like that in the grub menu
[12:33] <HS^> to boot linux?
[12:33] <HS^> i put in hd(0,1)
[12:34] <PoeticJaffaCake> no HS^, I'm trying to get grub to find the  vista install
[12:35] <PoeticJaffaCake> the vista disk shows as this:
[12:35] <PoeticJaffaCake> /dev/sdb1               2       38913   312560640    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[12:35] <PoeticJaffaCake> /dev/sdb5               2       38913   312560608+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[12:39] <Dr_willis> hd1, would impmy you use (hd1,0) or similer.. not hd (0)
[12:40] <Dr_willis> looks like you got vista on a logical partition. Winder if it can even boot that way.
[12:40] <Dr_willis> On some of mymachines. I just used the bios feature to pick what HD to boot. So i dident even need grub on the windows drive
[12:40] <PoeticJaffaCake> its strange, because I have had it working before, its only when I installed Kubuntu that grub didnt identify it
[12:41] <PoeticJaffaCake> so you think I should try hd1,0 then hd1,1 etc?
[12:41] <PoeticJaffaCake> to see if it picks it up?
[12:43] <PoeticJaffaCake> i'll give it a whirl, brb
[12:44] <HS^> and where are apt downloaded files stored?
[12:45] <Jucato> HS^: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[12:45] <HS^> oh i found it
[12:45] <HS^> yes
[12:45] <HS^> is it smart to remove this all?
[12:45] <HS^> i have problems with lyX
[12:45] <HS^> all sort of strange errors
[12:45] <Jucato> sudo apt-get clean
[12:45] <Jucato> that just cleans the archive of downloaded .deb files
[12:45] <HS^> ok ill try
[12:46] <PoeticJaffaCake> still no joy :/
[12:46] <kub^> does anyone know of an alternative to windows tcpview for linux that shows which application is generating what traffic to which IPs (ntop doesnt show the originating application) ?
[12:47] <etfb> HS^: I'd never heard of LyX, but I just prayed to Google and found out all about it, and it looks useful.  Is it messing up for you because of problems in the software, do you think?  Or just something weird in your machine?
[12:48] <HS^> i have no clue.. all sorts of errors in stylesheets different sort of errors.  with almost no info on google
[12:48] <HS^> so ill reinstall...
[12:49] <HS^> but yes its useful.  if you dont like to do style formatting in openoffice / ms office
[12:49] <HS^> ok reinstalled... lets see.
[12:50] <etfb> HS^: Oh, believe me, I don't like doing formatting in anything with "Office" in the name, so I'll definitely give LyX a go.  Thanks!
[12:50] <HS^> ok. it has a Qt frontend so it integrates good.  and it saves you time.... but in the beginning it also takes time to get used to
[12:51] <HS^> and it generates really good documents
[12:51] <HS^> but my problems havent dissapeared :/
[12:52]  * etfb sympathises with HS^'s package hell
[12:54] <dthacker> kub^: iptraf?
[12:55] <LeMouchoir> hello, is-it possible to add, in the KIOSlave audiocd:/ in konqueror, the flac format ?
[12:55] <PoeticJaffaCake> any ideas about/me bangs head against wall
[12:55] <PoeticJaffaCake> oops
[12:55] <kub^> is that what the application is called dthacker?
[12:55] <LeMouchoir> because i can't !
[12:55] <PoeticJaffaCake> well, hd1,0 - hd1,9 don't work from the grub menu
[12:56] <dthacker> yes, there is a gutsy package for it.
[12:56] <etfb> kub^: http://iptraf.seul.org/about.html
[12:56] <Jeroi> PoeticJaffaCake edit that
[12:56] <Jeroi> you need to make it hd0,0
[12:56] <Jeroi> and hd0,9
[12:56] <kub^> ok dling now thanks guys :)
[12:57] <PoeticJaffaCake> hd0,0 is the linux system Jeroi
[12:57] <Jeroi> this is because I believe you have ide disk?
[12:57] <Jeroi> and sata disk?
[12:57] <PoeticJaffaCake> sata disks
[12:57] <Jeroi> only sata disks?
[12:57] <PoeticJaffaCake> yes Jeroi, linux is on one, vista on the other
[12:57] <Jeroi> ok
[12:58] <Jeroi> then 0,0 is your linux?
[12:58] <PoeticJaffaCake> yes
[12:58] <Jeroi> and 1,0 is your windows?
[12:58] <PoeticJaffaCake> acording to the grub map, yes
[12:58] <_Angelus_> guys
[12:58] <Jeroi> so why you are trying 0,9?
[12:58] <Jeroi> no 1.9
[12:59] <_Angelus_> somebody can give me the guide how to enable compositing on a geforce on kubuntu?
[12:59] <Jeroi> why 1,9?
[12:59] <PoeticJaffaCake> i was trying hd1,0 up to hd1,9 as none have worked
[12:59] <Jeroi> _Angelus_ type nvidia-settings
[12:59] <PoeticJaffaCake> with hd1,0 I get an invalid device error
[12:59] <Jeroi> PoeticJaffaCake, use tesdisk
[13:00] <Jeroi> becuase windows did put its startup into 1.0
[13:00] <PoeticJaffaCake> so,what do I
[13:00] <PoeticJaffaCake> do?
[13:00] <Jeroi> and when you installed your linux it may be the reason that linux but grup on 0,0
[13:01] <Jeroi> altho linux should of put grub into 1,0
[13:01] <etfb> !compiz | _Angelus_ (not sure if this is what you mean, but...)
[13:01] <ubotu> _Angelus_ (not sure if this is what you mean, but...): Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[13:02] <kub^> seems iptraf doesnt show what application is generating the traffic, if i have the port a connection is using how would i then find out the process that is using it?
[13:02] <Jeroi> testdisk
[13:02] <Jeroi> try that utility
[13:03] <PoeticJaffaCake> ok, brb
[13:03] <Jeroi> check if it finds your ntfc partition with windows installed
[13:03] <_Angelus_> no its not what i want etfb
[13:03] <Jeroi> if mnot make a deep search
[13:03] <Jeroi> but do it in your onw risk
[13:04] <_Angelus_> is there a way to get the latest drivers of nvidia in kubuntu?
[13:04] <etfb> _Angelus_: Sorry about that.
[13:04] <_Angelus_> np etfb :)
[13:04] <PoeticJaffaCake> it picks up the ntfs system
[13:04] <Jeroi> Altho I dont have any exp on installing linux and windows into separate disks, but I have exp in installing them into different partitions on same sata disk when system is using ide disk as primary disk
[13:06] <Jeroi> so I believe that when installing windows and linux
[13:07] <Jeroi> You need to make decicion which one is the primary disk
[13:07] <Jeroi> 1. install windows into primary disk
[13:07] <Jeroi> 2. install linux into secundary disk, and make the installer install grub into primary disk that is hd0,0
[13:07] <brecht> hi all
[13:07] <brecht> anyone into multiseating?
[13:09] <skole> Hi there. Do somone know how to get mp3 players to work with kubuntu?
[13:09] <Jeroi> open amarok
[13:09] <dthacker> !mp3 | skole
[13:09] <ubotu> skole: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[13:09] <Jeroi> then select mp3 file, open or drag it
[13:10] <Jeroi> then amarok installas mp3 support on its own
[13:10] <PoeticJaffaCake> so i can'tadd an entry to grub Jeroi?  I'm not 100% with linux and grub as you can tell, I'm not sure if I would know how to do what you just said
[13:11] <tuxick> lo
[13:11] <brecht> nobody familiar with multiseating in ubuntu/kubuntu?
[13:11] <skole> My player does not mount. When I put it in the USB
[13:12] <tuxick> adept keeps throwing *vague* errors that turn out to mean some packages haven't been configured yet, is there some switch to make it handle that stuff a bit better, or that some need configuring at all?
[13:12] <LeMouchoir> hello, is-it possible to add, in the KIOSlave audiocd:/ in konqueror, the flac format ?
[13:14] <brecht> anyone into "multiseating" ???
[13:15] <_Angelus_> is there a way to get the latest drivers of nvidia in kubuntu?
[13:16] <mot_> anybody know of any media players that will play the 360 degree panoramic .mov files?
[13:17] <Jeroi> !nvidia | _Angelus_
[13:17] <ubotu> _Angelus_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[13:17] <_Angelus_> i have them installed...
[13:17] <_Angelus_> i said tha latest..
[13:18] <Jeroi> dl nvidia binray latest
[13:18] <Jeroi> close your x
[13:18] <PoeticJaffaCake> well, i'm needing to boot into vista, looks like its goodbye to kubuntu, shame
[13:18] <Jeroi> run that binary driver update
[13:18] <PoeticJaffaCake> thanks for the help anyways guys
[13:18] <Jeroi> withs is installsomething.sh I believin in nvidia
[13:19] <Jeroi> then edit your xorg
[13:19] <Jeroi> and off you go
[13:20] <Jeroi> but it is more easier to install the driver what comes with kubuntu restricted drivers
[13:20] <Jeroi> and where do you need the lates driver?
[13:20] <Jeroi> PoeticJaffaCake why?
[13:20] <bazhang> PoeticJaffaCake: grub problems?
[13:21] <Jeroi> yes he has
[13:21] <bazhang> hmm
[13:21] <PoeticJaffaCake> yes, can't get vista into the grub menu
[13:21] <Jeroi> hes windows disk is violated
[13:22] <Jeroi> it says system erorr or something
[13:22] <bazhang> windows, violated, makes sense
[13:22] <Jeroi> when he trys to boot hes windows
[13:22] <Jeroi> hes problem is:
[13:22] <PoeticJaffaCake> grub never picked up vista when I installed kubuntu
[13:22] <Jeroi> 1. installed linux int primary sata
[13:23] <bazhang> PoeticJaffaCake: two different hard drives or one hard drive dual boot
[13:23] <Jeroi> 2. installed vista into secundary sata and windows install its startup thingy into secundary sata
[13:23] <skole> I've got a Philips mp3 player. It will not maunt on my computer. Philips states that I need Windows to make it work, but I am not ready to give up. Do anybody know what to do?
[13:23] <Jeroi> was it that way?
[13:23] <Jeroi> oh?
[13:23] <Jeroi> how did you install them?
[13:23] <bazhang> skole: using amarok?
[13:23] <Jeroi> is windows in disk0 or disk1?
[13:24] <PoeticJaffaCake> no, vista was already installed, I installed linux second, linux is showing as hd0, vista disk as hd1
[13:24] <Jeroi> there is your problem
[13:24] <skole> yes I am using amarok. But when I am conecting the player to my computer, nothing happens
[13:24] <PoeticJaffaCake> ok, how doI fix it :P
[13:24] <Jeroi> you shud have been installing windows into hd0
[13:24] <Jeroi> not into hd1
[13:24] <bazhang> skole: do you open amarok first? then insert the device? Is the device recognized in any way?
[13:25] <PoeticJaffaCake> is there a work around?
[13:25] <Jeroi> as now your linux installer installed grub into hd0
[13:25] <Jeroi> yes
[13:25] <Jeroi> load your boot up decicions on bios
[13:25] <PoeticJaffaCake> ok
[13:25] <Jeroi> boot into hd1
[13:25] <Jeroi> you can hity your f2 for bios
[13:25] <skole> no it is not recognized. The player starts to charge though.
[13:25] <Jeroi> f8 I bielev is bootup options
[13:25] <PoeticJaffaCake> ok, im doing that now
[13:26] <Jeroi> boot your pc into disk2
[13:26] <bazhang> skole: other questions I asked? what about those
[13:26] <Jeroi> or into that disk which have vista
[13:26] <skole> Oh have not tryed that. Doing it now
[13:26] <Jeroi> PoeticJaffaCake easiest way is to make new linux install
[13:26] <bazhang> skole: you want help? work with me :}
[13:27] <Jeroi> open your hardware
[13:27] <Jeroi> make windows diks into sata1
[13:27] <Jeroi> anf make linux disk into sata2
[13:27] <Jeroi> so that windows disk is primary
[13:27] <Jeroi> then it boots only your windows
[13:27] <Jeroi> grub is never loaded
[13:27] <PoeticJaffaCake> ok, I get 'Reboot and Select proper Boot device or Insert Boot Media inselected Boot device and press a key
[13:27] <skole> hehe, no it did not work. Nothing happens when I put it in the usb
[13:28] <Jeroi> yes
[13:28] <Jeroi> select proper boot device
[13:28] <PoeticJaffaCake> thats whats coming up from the windows disk, looks like windows bootloader has gone
[13:29] <Jeroi> really?
[13:29] <PoeticJaffaCake> the disk won't boot
[13:29] <Jeroi> funny
[13:29] <bazhang> skole: what make and  model of device
[13:29] <Jeroi> your ntfs disk is wrecked
[13:29] <Jeroi> that same thing happened to me also
[13:29] <Jeroi> I lost everything on ntfs disk
[13:30] <bazhang> PoeticJaffaCake: you have ntfs-3g on there?
[13:30] <skole> It is a philips SA6045 mp3 player.
[13:30] <Jeroi> as windows recover installs new windows
[13:30] <PoeticJaffaCake> i can access all data on the ntfs disk from kubuntu, so the disk is working
[13:30] <Jeroi> deletes all the things in it
[13:30] <bazhang> skole: just a moment, googling..
[13:30] <Jeroi> PoeticJaffaCake ok
[13:30] <Jeroi> then it is not wrecked
[13:31] <PoeticJaffaCake> i think its just the windows bootloader that has gone
[13:31] <Jeroi> noramlly yes
[13:31] <Jeroi> grup installs itself as replacing boot loader
[13:32] <PoeticJaffaCake> maybe I should try the supergrub disk?
[13:32] <Jeroi> PoeticJaffaCake just intalll grub again
[13:32] <Jeroi> you have to install grub into disk 1,0
[13:33] <Jeroi> hd1,0
[13:33] <PoeticJaffaCake> ok, i'll try, brb
[13:33] <Jeroi> your kubuntu installed grub into hd0,0
[13:33] <bazhang> skole: what about mtp-detect in the konsole does that find it
[13:33] <Jeroi> and now windows dosent work
[13:34] <bazhang> Jeroi: might it be an issue with the mbr being on one disk and grub on the other?
[13:34] <skole> I have not tryed that. What to do?
[13:34] <Jeroi> yes maybe
[13:34] <bazhang> skole: open up the konsole and type mtp-detect with the device plugged in
[13:35] <Jeroi> bazhang the issue is there because kubuntu installas grub default to hd0,0
[13:36] <Jeroi> it thinks like primary boting partitions is always in there
[13:36] <Jeroi> but now windows is in hd1,0
[13:36] <bazhang> Jeroi: so the mbr is on his windows disk and grub in on the kubuntu disk?
[13:36] <Jeroi> yes
[13:37] <skole> No Devices have been found...
[13:38] <PoeticJaffaCake> lol, so I reinstall grub, how do I go about that?
[13:38] <bazhang> skole what about lsusb --you may need to plug it in and pull it out a couple of times and repeat the command--make sure it does not mount (icon on desktop) before you do this
[13:38] <skole> what is Isusb?
[13:39] <bazhang> skole: something to type in the konsole to see usb devices
[13:39] <Dr_willis> L S usb - List usb devices..
[13:39] <ubuntu> hello world !
[13:39] <berkes> my sound stopped working suddenly, any hints where to start debugging? The speakers and wires are fine.
[13:39] <Dr_willis> !alsa
[13:39] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[13:40] <skole> command not found
[13:40] <berkes> thanks Dr_willis
[13:40] <Dr_willis> the command is 'lsusb' with an L as in Lamma :)
[13:41] <bazhang> skole: you still there? lsusb results find that device?
[13:41] <skole> Hey that was better. Comes up in bus 005
[13:42] <skole> With a ID no
[13:42] <bazhang> okay.. making progress
[13:42] <bazhang> skole: is there an icon on the desktop?
[13:42] <skole> no it is not
[13:43]  * PoeticJaffaCake tears his hair out lol
[13:45] <skole> bazhang: This is what it sayes after lsusb: Bus 005 Device 003: ID 047:084e Philips
[13:48] <Jeroi> PoeticJaffaCake
[13:48] <Jeroi> like I said
[13:48] <Jeroi> install grub again
[13:48] <Jeroi> or install linux again like this:
[13:48] <Jeroi> 1. open your computer hardware
[13:49] <misticwarrior> hey what's up ?
[13:49] <Jeroi> 2. change sata1 cable into sata2 and sata2 into sata1
[13:49] <Jeroi> 3. boot with linuxlive
[13:49] <misticwarrior> I have a problem with a new printer : Canon PIXMA MP600R -> I cannot install it on my kubuntu gutsy :S
[13:50] <Dr_willis> There are sata1 and 2 cables? Hmm  never noticed them
[13:50] <Jeroi> 4. install linux now into sda2 or what it is hd1 now I belive
[13:50]  * Dr_willis runs and hides from Canon Printers and Linux.. expicially the Pixma ones.. :)
[13:50] <Daemon--> anyone know if the registered information ripe holds for IPs has to propagate like domains or does programs genrally pull the info direct from ripe?
[13:50] <solz> salve a tutti qualcuno mi puo' dare un canale di knoppix?
[13:50] <Jeroi> 5. formate old linux partition
[13:50] <Dr_willis> misticwarrior,  check cups.org to see how wellsupported it is.. Some of the canon pixima are only supported with that comercial printer driver package.
[13:50] <Jeroi> 6. install grub into hd0,0 now
[13:50] <Jeroi> and then your grub works
[13:50] <PoeticJaffaCake> ok, installing grub again seems more sensible, which should I use?Grub legacy or Grub 2?
[13:51] <Jeroi> I cant help with you
[13:51] <Jeroi> maybe someone else
[13:51] <PoeticJaffaCake> ok,thank you for your time Jeroi :)
[13:52] <solz> knoppix????
[13:52] <misticwarrior> Dr_willis: ok thx.. what some fucking commercial printer driver package ? It's scandalous :D
[13:53] <Dr_willis> misticwarrior,  the comercial ones that basicially pays for the nice FREE ones we get from cups.org :)
[13:53] <Dr_willis> it used to be the new/odd printers cost $$ for the drivers,, then later they get moved to the free drivers.
[13:54] <Dr_willis> Lets just say that You are lucky that the comercial ones even exist.. a year ago you would of been out of luck
[13:54] <fadey> Hi,everyone.I've upgraded the system today and I'm getting the following error "ALERT! /dev/disk/by-UUID/blah... does not exits while the kernel is booting
[13:54] <skole> Is it a problem that the player uses NTFS file system?
[13:55] <bazhang> skole: there does not seem to be a way currently to do that; perhaps not enough people have one to have posted on the forums--here is a thread you can keep an eye on though: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=614560
[13:55] <fadey> s/exits/exists/
[13:56] <skole> Will the player not work?
[13:56] <misticwarrior> Dr_willis: ok... but on cups.org, where can I see if my printer is supported ?
[13:56] <Jeroi> !grub | PoeticJaffaCake
[13:56] <ubotu> PoeticJaffaCake: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[13:56] <Dr_willis> they got a drivers/supported printers link somewhere at the top :)
[13:58] <Jeroi> and PoeticJaffaCake remember to write your fix in into that grubhowto after tou have fixed your error
[13:58] <skole> Someone who know a good mp3 player to use with kubuntu and Amarok?
[13:58] <Jeroi> so that next one can fix that same error if your error is not yet in that help
[13:58] <misticwarrior> Dr_willis: there is no Canon driver :(
[13:58] <Daemon--> anyone know if the registered information ripe holds for IPs has to propagate like domains or does programs genrally pull the info direct from ripe?
[13:59] <Jeroi> my canon seems to print ok
[13:59] <Jeroi> with default driver which comes with kubuntu
[13:59] <solz> knoppix???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[14:00] <misticwarrior> Dr_willis: turboprint powaaa :'(
[14:01] <skole> Thanks bazhang... Im going to turn the player in. Im not going to bother with philips if they don't support linux.
[14:01] <Dr_willis> Theres 100's of canon printers out there, :)
[14:02] <Dr_willis> The Pixima line - dident even have any linux support till recently
[14:03] <bazhang> skole: the cowon is the one to go for I think--watch out for the new nano's; they dont work either
[14:03] <Jeroi> Is there defined howto for manifactures how they make linux direver library for their product?
[14:03] <misticwarrior> Dr_willis: O_o I have made some searches, no canon driver found -.- where did you go ?
[14:03] <Jeroi> I guess no
[14:03] <skole> what aout Ipod?
[14:03] <misticwarrior> There are a lot of HP, Epson, Lexmark etc drivers but no canon... -.-
[14:04] <bazhang> skole: the newest one does not work without iTunes--a move that makes no sense--the older minis are no problem however
[14:05] <Dr_willis> misticwarrior,  the front page of that turboprint page/news had mention of a lot of canon pixima printers
[14:05] <skole> What? but I want a new one of course. This is hell! Si iTunes doesn't work as well?
[14:06] <bazhang> skole: then back to the dark side; windows or os x, that is
[14:06] <misticwarrior> Dr_willis: ho on turboprint... I know ;) I thought u were talking about cups.org :D
[14:08] <skole> I do not want to give up on Kubuntu that easily
[14:09] <Jeroi> skole, can you use your iTunes with wine?
[14:10] <Bondro> skole: Have you tried to use gtkpod? Is not so bad, as it seems, although it's not working perfect
[14:10] <Jeroi> does iTunes support by the way mac os?
[14:10]  * Dr_willis perfers to take a hammer to ipods.
[14:10] <Dr_willis> :)
[14:11] <misticwarrior> bug O_o
[14:12] <Jeroi> rofl
[14:13] <Jeroi> which one was hardest thing to compile * from mac os into linux?  - typing: make
[14:13] <Jeroi> I really dont know why does not apple make linux version...
[14:13] <skole> Jeroi: I have not tried iTunes. I jus want to have a Mp3 player that works.
[14:14] <Jeroi> ?
[14:14] <Jeroi> what do you mean by that?
[14:14] <Jeroi> a sofware player
[14:14] <Jeroi> or protable player
[14:14] <Jeroi> portable
[14:14] <Jeroi> or mobile
[14:15] <skole> I am talking about hardware here. Not the software
[14:15] <Jeroi> so you have mp3 player protable which goes into your pocket?
[14:15] <skole> Do anyone know brands that work with kubuntu?
[14:15] <Jeroi> and you can listen music?
[14:16] <skole> Jeroi: Yes
[14:16] <Jeroi> and your problem is?
[14:16] <skole> To conect it to the computer
[14:16] <Jeroi> with usb?
[14:16] <skole> yes
[14:16] <fadey> Hi. I'm missing /dev/disk dir after kernel update today. Now kernel can't find my root partition. Could that be fixed somehow?
[14:17] <Jeroi> my usb mp3 player works fine
[14:17] <skole> what's the brand?
[14:17] <bazhang> skole: just a moment I will get you two links
[14:17] <Jeroi> just plug it into usb hole and you can browse your files
[14:17] <Jeroi> pick one
[14:17] <Jeroi> I have something buyd fro Gigantti
[14:17] <Jeroi> it has 1gt memory
[14:18] <Jeroi> I acts like usb memory
[14:18] <Jeroi> same like my 2gt Kingston Datatraveler memroystick
[14:18] <Jeroi> both work in kubuntu fine
[14:18] <Dr_willis> would anyone mind checking out the output of 'htop' vs 'top'  - On this box Htop is alwasy saying the cpu is at 100% - top  is showing 7% , and the ram used #'s are way off in htop also.
[14:18] <Dr_willis> Trying to confirm its a bug.. or is it my system being weird.
[14:19] <florianr> Anyone here any idea why my network Printer allway stops printing suddenly? If I create a new printer with print again it works ....
[14:19] <Jeroi> i have 120gt usb harddisk also
[14:19] <bazhang> http://digg.com/linux_unix/the_PERFECT_mp3_player_for_Linux_geeks_Linux_friendly_hardware skole
[14:19] <Jeroi> it works fine
[14:20] <llutz> Dr_willis: no real difference (<2%) here
[14:20] <bazhang> http://reviews.cnet.com/mp3-players/cowon-iaudio-7-8gb/4505-6490_7-32515729.html skole
[14:20] <Dr_willis> llutz,  odd...
[14:21] <Dr_willis> i was wondering if the cpu being throttled down is affecting things..
[14:23] <skole> Txs again bazhang
[14:23] <bazhang> skole: no worries :}
[14:28] <berkes> !sound
[14:28] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[14:29] <vit___> hola
[14:31] <berkes> so, I followed all hints and intructions at !sound, but still no luck. Weird thing is that m sound worked fine untill recently.
[14:31] <berkes> bad news is, that I don't know since when it stopped working.
[14:33] <berkes> soundcard is detected fine, alsa seems to be running, dmesg reports nothing strange, modules are loaded correctly, so it /could/ be a failure in the hardware, disconnected plug or something
[14:40] <DarkTan_> how do i configure amaroK to play my mp3'sand wma's?
[14:41] <berkes> !MP3
[14:41] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[14:44] <DarkTan_> ok, i can't find where it's telling me to go
[14:45] <bazhang> DarkTan_: install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:45] <DarkTan_> how do i do that?
[14:45]  * DarkTan_ has no idea what he is doing
[14:45] <bazhang> DarkTan_: you prefer command line or graphical?
[14:45] <DarkTan_> either way
[14:46] <DarkTan_> i already have the terminal open in root user
[14:46] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:46] <bazhang> DarkTan_: root user? you dont want to do that
[14:46] <DarkTan_> ok
[14:47] <bazhang> !root | darkt
[14:47] <ubotu> darkt: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[14:47] <bazhang> oops
[14:47] <DarkTan_> yeah sudo -i, then it asks for my password, i was told that give me root user
[14:47] <bazhang> oh ok
[14:48] <DarkTan_> can't find package
[14:49] <bazhang> DarkTan_: open up adept and add the repositories
[14:51] <DarkTan_> where do i add them?
[14:53] <Dr_willis> !repo
[14:53] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[14:53] <Dr_willis> I always just manually edit the sources.list file. or use that !easysource website
[14:53] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[14:53] <bazhang> DarkTan_: do you have adept open?
[14:53] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[14:54] <bazhang> under the adept menu is an item named 'manage repositories--you want to add the non-free ones
[15:00] <DarkTan_> ok, i folowed the directions on there, is that all i need to do then?
[15:06] <DarkTan_> !mp3
[15:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[15:06] <bazhang> DarkTan_: you might also want to go to www.medibuntu.org and get the libdvdcss2 and win32codecs packages--instructions are on the site on how to do that
[15:08] <bazhang> and now that you have new repos you need to get updates--fetch updates, then search for the package kubuntu-restricted-extras or install it from the command line--first update your repos list though (fetch updates or sudo apt-get update)
[15:08] <DarkTan_> ok
[15:09] <bazhang> heh
[15:11] <DarkTan_> still doesn't find that package
[15:12] <DarkTan_> ok, d/ling those two packages you told me to get
[15:15] <bazhang> DarkTan_: you need to sudo apt-get update first
[15:15] <DarkTan_> did that
[15:17] <DarkTan_> here's my list of update d/l: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49818/
[15:17] <bazhang> DarkTan_: then you did not add all the repos you needed to in adept
[15:17] <DarkTan_> ok
[15:18] <DarkTan_> the only onels not enabled are dapper-security and dapper-backports
[15:18] <DarkTan_> should i enable those 4?
[15:20] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats did you read this DarkTan_?
[15:21] <DarkTan_> yes, i thought i enables what i needed to
[15:21] <DarkTan_> enabled*
[15:22] <tycale_> Hi
[15:22] <pawan_> hi
[15:22] <DarkTan_> axtually that was the one that i can;t find where it want me to go
[15:22] <tycale_> I've installed Kubuntu o my computer, but the wifi doesn't work. I think it doesn't find my wireless card. Can you help me ?
[15:23] <DarkTan_> actually*
[15:23] <DarkTan_> tycale: join the club
[15:23] <bazhang> tycale_: using gutsy?
[15:23] <tycale_> the last, gusty yes
[15:23] <bazhang> DarkTan_: any reason not to use gutsy? older computer?
[15:24] <tycale_> kubuntu 7
[15:24] <DarkTan_> no, 6.06 was recommended to me as a good first
[15:25] <bazhang> tycale what card
[15:25] <Lutz_Ifer> hi - is there a way to deactivate / activate my laptop's touchpad without restarting X?
[15:26] <tycale_> bazhang: I don't know, it's a computer hp, pavilion M*****
[15:26] <bazhang> tycale_: are you on it now?
[15:26] <tycale_> no
[15:26] <tycale_> and yes
[15:26] <tycale_> I'm on my latop
[15:26] <bazhang> tycale_: any way to find out the wireless card?
[15:27] <tycale_> bazhang: No, we can't see it with a command ?
[15:27] <bazhang> tycale_: you are on that computer I thought you said no
[15:28] <tycale_> yes, i'm on the computer bazhang
[15:28] <BluesKaj> Howdy all  :-)
[15:29] <tycale_> It's a HP pavilion m7560
[15:29] <bazhang> tycale_: open up the konsole and type lspci and tell me the internal wireless card name and model (dont paste it here, just tell me briefly)
[15:29] <tycale_> ok
[15:30] <DarkTan_> where can i find libxine1-ffmpeg?
[15:30] <DarkTan_> the kubuntu main FAQ tells me i need that
[15:30] <tycale_> bazhang: Can't find internal wireless card =/
[15:31] <BluesKaj> !nspluginwrapper
[15:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nspluginwrapper - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:31] <ctx144k> hello all. is there a way to define in dolphin-preview of files (on the reight side) the application with that the file willbe open?
[15:31] <bazhang> !info libxine1-ffmpeg dapper
[15:31] <ubotu> Package libxine1-ffmpeg does not exist in dapper
[15:31] <DarkTan_> but also tells me amaroK should update it for me....
[15:31] <ctx144k> for exxample: i wanna open ogg-files with xmms, not via amarok
[15:31] <bazhang> huh?
[15:32] <tycale_> bazhang: It's dead ? =/
[15:32] <BluesKaj> !info nspluginwrapper
[15:32] <bazhang> DarkTan_: it wants to install something?
[15:32] <ubotu> Package nspluginwrapper does not exist in gutsy
[15:32] <bazhang> tycale_: what about lsusb
[15:32] <ctx144k> and it wouldbe nice when there wouldbe a way to define that in preview too
[15:32] <DarkTan_> no i went to the kubuntu main page and faq, it told me to install that and that amaroK sould ask me if i want it to do it
[15:33] <DarkTan_> right nowi have an ass load of updates d/l
[15:33] <DarkTan_> the adept updater just poped up and told me 192 things should be upgraded
[15:34] <tycale_> nothing on usb bazhang
[15:34] <bazhang> DarkTan_: you never upgraded? no wonder...
[15:34] <bazhang> tycale what is the exact make and model of that computer
[15:34] <DarkTan_> i never told me too
[15:34] <tycale_> bazhang: I'm sorry ! I find !
[15:35] <DarkTan_> 41% right now, i got some stuff to do, i see what happened after it done
[15:35] <bazhang> tycale_: what is it?
[15:35] <tycale_> But it's like a Ethernet controller : Atheros Communication, Inc? AR5413 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
[15:36] <bazhang> tycale_: does the restricted drivers manager have a listing for that or anything?
[15:37] <tycale_> bazhang: yes but i think it's the ethernet and not the wifi, else Atheros Hardware Access Layer (HAL) is actived
[15:38] <tycale_> is active
[15:38] <tycale_> hum, it is with a "V" ^^
[15:38] <tycale_> in use =D
[15:38] <bazhang> tycale does that computer have a wireless card internally?
[15:38] <tycale_> sorry for my poor english
[15:39] <tycale_> yes
[15:40] <bazhang> tycale_: do you have access to google?
[15:41] <tycale_> bazhang: Yes, I find it : http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1344843
[15:41] <bazhang> can you search for the maker of that computer and see what wireless they say it is?
[15:41] <bazhang> tycale_: what chipset? is that the madwifi one?
[15:42] <tycale_> Atheros AR5413 Chipset ??
[15:42] <Nestor> Hi all!
[15:43] <bazhang> tycale_: if there is only one listing, and you are using ethernet--then that is likely not the wireless card, right?
[15:44] <tycale_> uh ? I don't understand, i'm on my macbook here, and kubuntu is on another computer
[15:44] <tycale_> ndiswrapper is on the live cd ?
[15:45] <Nestor> May anybody help me? my smbpasswd application don't save passwords
[15:45] <bazhang> tycale_: you said you were on the computer in question; cant help without access to it
[15:46] <tycale_> bazhang: Yes, i'm on 2 computers :-'
[15:46] <bazhang> tycale_: that is not what you said before.
[15:47] <tycale_> yes, sorry
[15:47] <bazhang> no way to help you then.
[15:47] <tycale_> ok
[15:47] <tycale_> but, i find ndiswrapper
[15:47] <tycale_> it'll be ok
[15:48] <tycale_> thanks
[15:49] <Nestor> People, may anybody help me?
[15:50] <bazhang> !samba
[15:50] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[15:54] <Nestor> Thanx, but my samba working normally exclude one moment.  I'm have home network: Kubuntu 7.10 computer, Mandriva 2008 and Windows XP Home SP2 (laptop) ones. Mandriva and Windows gives access to their shared resources and can connect to other. Kubuntu computer can access to resources of other computers, but don't give access to own folders and files. It ask login/password (even if I want to be connected from itself). I adjust access by means of smbpasswd. 
[15:54] <Nestor> rd in a file /etc/samba/smbpasswd is not made (a file is opened for a record!). It is command out:Quote:Old SMB password:New SMB password:Retype new SMB password:Could not connect to machine 127.0.0.1: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILUREFailed to change password for nestor If to do it through sudo, error diagnostics is not present, but also a record in the file of /etc/samba/smbpasswd is not made.
[15:54] <andre> ähm kann mir zufällig jemand bei teamspeak weiterhelfen ?
[15:55] <andre> hallo
[15:56] <Dr_willis> Howdy
[15:58] <DarkTan_> ok, finished the upgrade, re-booted, tried to install the restricted packages thing, still can't find the package so i used sudo apt-get update, here the list of thing updated: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49825/
[16:00] <bazhang> andre: would you like the german channel?
[16:00] <andre> yes
[16:00] <andre> kubuntu.de ?
[16:01] <Jucato> !de
[16:01] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[16:01] <andre> #join kubuntu.de
[16:01] <andre> thx
[16:01] <bazhang> andre: just click on one of the links should do it
[16:02] <bazhang> DarkTan_: dont really need to see that; did amarok prompt you to install something or not?
[16:02] <DarkTan_> hang on, i have to remount my drive
[16:03] <DarkTan_> ok, no i can't get in to admin mode in Disk and Filesystems
[16:03] <Jucato> bazhang: afaik, Dapper didn't have that amarok feature/script
[16:03] <DragonFly> Anyone could tell me how to make the wireless lan manager stop asking for my password ?
[16:04] <sigma_123> try kwifimanager. its better for wireless
[16:05] <Nestor> Can anybody help me?
[16:06] <DarkTan_> and now it wants to up date more
[16:06] <dthacker-laptop> Hi,  I just installed kaudiocreator on my laptop, but it wants an encoder to make oggs,  what package do I need?
[16:06] <DragonFly> sigma_123: yeah i actually already tried it, but i'm looking to found how to do this since i got another few apps that asking for password
[16:07] <TimS> Just a PC related question. I can have one SATA and one IDE drive can't I?
[16:07] <Jucato> dthacker-laptop: oggenc? (not sure...)
[16:07] <DragonFly> TimS: as long as you have both controller yes :)
[16:07] <Dr_willis> TimS,  I do that all the time. :)
[16:07] <TimS> Ok good :P
[16:07] <Dr_willis> watch out. because some times the ide drives can be called with sdXX type names
[16:07] <TimS> I have downloaded 3.5 gig to day and seriously need a new HD
[16:08] <TimS> I have the IDE, but I need a SATA drive
[16:08] <TimS> And I have 4 sata port on my mobo.
[16:08] <TimS> Dr_willis: What power does SATA need, is it Molex?
[16:09] <dthacker-laptop> Jucato: nope, that's not a package, and I'm looking for that in descriptions in adept.
[16:09]  * dthacker-laptop is puzzled
[16:09] <Dr_willis> TimS,  they can have the normal molex OR their own sata power conector.. DONT use both.. :)
[16:09] <TimS> Okay :P
[16:09] <Jucato> dthacker-laptop: vorbis-tools
[16:09] <TimS> I think I have enough power cables then
[16:10] <bazhang> Jucato: hi! long time no blant!
[16:11] <Jucato> blont! :P
[16:11] <Jucato> and I just did... 2 days ago :P
[16:11] <dthacker-laptop> Jucato: hmmmm, that's installed.  I think I'll restart my login session to make sure kaudiocreator picks up all the env goodness.
[16:11] <sigma_123> DragonFly: why dont u tell kwallet to remember it?
[16:11] <dthacker-laptop> back later, tnx!
[16:12] <DragonFly> sigma_123: i'm trying to limit the systray entries :)
[16:12] <slow-motion> hi
[16:13] <sigma_123> lol yeah i also try to do that. but why dont u just hide the system tray icons that u dont wana c?
[16:13] <bazhang> oops s/blant/blont/ :}
[16:14]  * Jucato notes that the system tray applet also has a "hidden icons" feature (not exactly like Windows, but close)
[16:14] <DragonFly> sigma_123: Yeah i know but i really want to find out how the h*ll i would be able to do this i can't believe that this is that complicated
[16:15] <sigma_123> its probably just that no one has tried doing that b4
[16:15] <DragonFly> lol here you go i'm the first :)
[16:15] <DarkTan_> w00t! amaroK is installing mp3 support right now
[16:15] <DragonFly> i'll find it and when i do i'll write a tech noet for this
[16:15] <sigma_123> perhaps u should submit a new feature request to kde?
[16:16] <DragonFly> sigma_123: how i would go about to do that /
[16:16] <sigma_123> bugs.kde.org
[16:17] <sigma_123> make sure u mark it as a new feature an give as much detail as possible
[16:17] <thompson42>  /msg NickServ REGISTER answer42
[16:17] <bazhang> DarkTan_: nice work
[16:17] <bazhang> ruh roh
[16:17] <DarkTan_> w00t! it work, thx
[16:17] <subrenat> hello
[16:17] <sigma_123> thompson: send that to the server window
[16:17] <subrenat> someone could help me?
[16:18] <DarkTan_> now to see if i can play my divx movies
[16:18] <subrenat> i need the assistance of someone to test my ddclient
[16:18] <sigma_123> !ask
[16:18] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[16:18] <DragonFly> subrenat: what's up ?
[16:19] <DragonFly> bugs.kde.org
[16:19] <DragonFly> doh sorry
[16:19] <subrenat> DragonFly:  could you type: ssh -p 7733 subrenat@jean-bernard.ath.cx
[16:19] <subrenat> and could you say what's you see?
[16:19] <sigma_123> sorry http://bugs.kde.org
[16:20] <thompson42> sigma_123: Thanks.
[16:21] <subrenat> DragonFly?
[16:21] <subrenat> did you do the test?
[16:21] <DragonFly> subrenat: getting your key info and login
[16:22] <subrenat> oki
[16:22] <subrenat> thanks
[16:22] <DragonFly> subrenat: no worries
[16:22] <subrenat> its works!
[16:22] <subrenat> i'm happy!
[16:22] <DarkTan_> ok, i can't install the w32 codecs or the dvd package
[16:22] <sigma_123> lol:)
[16:23] <sigma_123> what error is it giving?
[16:23] <DragonFly> DarkTan_: Try to use automatix if everything else fails
[16:24] <sigma_123> thats some dodgy stuff!
[16:24] <DarkTan_> i tired to install be right clicking the package> kubuntu package menu> install package
[16:24] <DragonFly> sigma_123: what automatix ?
[16:24] <DarkTan_> do i need to use the terminal?
[16:24] <Jucato> !automatix
[16:24] <ubotu> automatix is not recommended, supported or needed. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[16:24] <Dr_willis> it shouldent fail.. thers 1000000's of people that install the w32codecs and dvd playback without automatix :)
[16:24] <sigma_123> downloading the packages manually an installing usually works
[16:25] <DragonFly> oh i see
[16:25] <DragonFly> thx ubotu
[16:25] <Dr_willis> The medibuntu repo has those packages I belive also
[16:25] <Dr_willis> !medibuntu
[16:25] <DarkTan_> that's where i d/l from
[16:25] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[16:25] <DarkTan_> i could d/l the individual packages tho
[16:25] <sigma_123> i didnt know u cud get them from anywhere else
[16:26] <sigma_123> yeah do that.
[16:26] <DarkTan_> can i add medibuntu in adept as repository?
[16:26] <Dr_willis> DarkTan_,  of course you can. :)
[16:27] <Dr_willis> http://www.medibuntu.org has details on that
[16:27] <nosrednaekim> hey DarkTan_
[16:27] <DarkTan_> do i just put in the url?
[16:27] <vincent_> hi all
[16:27] <Dr_willis> You go to the url and read the instructions. :)
[16:27] <nosrednaekim> hey vincent_
[16:27] <DarkTan_> hey nosrednaekim
[16:27] <sigma_123> hi vincent
[16:28] <Exploit> hi there! Can someone tell me how to open - while using gnome - a folder as root and not as normal user?
[16:28] <vincent_> there are french here? I have a little question
[16:28] <DragonFly> Exploit: go to console as root and type in konqueror
[16:28] <sigma_123> um i think u should try #ubuntu
[16:28] <vincent_> ok, thanks sigma
[16:28] <sigma_123> !fr
[16:28] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[16:28] <Exploit> is there a way to open it with icons?
[16:28] <vincent_> !fr
[16:29] <vincent_> ...
[16:29] <sigma_123> lol beat u 2it
[16:29] <Dr_willis> Exploit,  sudo THE_FILE_MANAGER, which is konqueror for kde, and nautilus for gnome.. i DONT advise using the file manager as root.. or if you do.. Close the window as soon as you are done.
[16:29] <Exploit> DragonFly: I want to use the File Browser of gnome :)
[16:29] <Exploit> Dr_willis:  thanks you :)
[16:29] <nosrednaekim> Exploit: go to #ubuntu for help with gnome
[16:30] <sigma_123> yeah thats some seriously dangerous stuff
[16:30] <Dr_willis> I always just use mc in a terminal to do my root file manageing needs. :) or just the terminal
[16:30] <Exploit> nosrednaekim:  okay :)
[16:31] <DarkTan_> ok i think i got it
[16:31] <pteague_work> anybody know of a good web panel similar to whm/cpanel for kubuntu?
[16:32] <Dr_willis> pteague_work,  i wonder if anyone even knows what a 'web panel' is :)
[16:32] <sigma_123> there is a oss one. the name just slipped my mind.
[16:32] <DarkTan_> is there a way to import my aim buddy list in to kopete?
[16:33] <sigma_123> just google it. can't remember where i heard of it
[16:33] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: yes, just add your AIM account
[16:33] <Dr_willis> I thouhg the aim buddies lists were stored on the AIM servers.
[16:33] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis: they are
[16:33] <Dr_willis> :)
[16:34] <sigma_123> it wouldnt make sense if they weren't!
[16:34] <pteague_work> Dr_willis> honestly i could care less, but apparently there are people that can't even figure out ssh & putty...
[16:35] <limac> hey
[16:35] <DarkTan_> i added my account, i get my groups, none of my buddies
[16:35] <sigma_123> i can't wait 4 kde4:) it just has such a nice visual refresh
[16:36] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: did you log in?
[16:36] <limac> i was on the blender site and installed 2.45 (64-bit for linux) and then after extracting it when i run ./blender thru the compiler, it says cannot execute binary file. what should i do?
[16:37] <Dr_willis> limac,  install the needed compiler packages for a start
[16:37] <Dr_willis> !info build-essential
[16:37] <limac> Dr_willis: thx didn't think about that!
[16:37] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[16:37] <DarkTan_> yes, i logged in
[16:37] <Dr_willis> or am i missreading what you said...
[16:38] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[16:38] <Dr_willis> blender has an compiler script called blender?
[16:38] <pteague_work> Dr_willis> i remember there used to be an app that allowed you to control multiple servers & their setups via a web interface, but i can't remember the name... have any ideas?
[16:38] <DarkTan_> wait, i say i'm not connected to aim now
[16:38] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: well, try expanding your groups then?
[16:38] <nosrednaekim> :
[16:38] <Sanne> limac: can you paste the exact error message to the pastebin?
[16:38] <Dr_willis> pteague_work,  i recall seeing several apps that let you run one or more commands on several machines.... i just cant rember where i saw that tutorial iat.. :)
[16:38] <limac> Sanne; can u pls send me the url of pastebin/ thx
[16:38] <limac> ?
[16:39] <Sanne> !pastebin
[16:39] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[16:39] <Sanne> limac: ^^
[16:39] <Dr_willis> It may of been at the ubuntu tips site i hang out at..
[16:39] <limac> Sanne: thx
[16:39] <limac> Sanne: hold on a sec
[16:39] <Sanne> :)
[16:40] <DarkTan_> damnit i don't know if it getting the right password now
[16:41] <limac> Sanne: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49835/
[16:41] <pteague_work> Dr_willis> was thinking of webmin ;)
[16:42] <DarkTan_> ok i have to right pass, but it still says i'm not connected after i log in
[16:42] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: no error?
[16:43] <Sanne> limac: when you type 'ls' (no quotes), do you see the blender executable?
[16:43] <DarkTan_> when i try to add a contact i get: "You need to be connected to be able to add contacts. Connect to the AIM network and try again."
[16:44] <sigma_123> is there a easy way to share my usb internet connection (dial up) to other linux pcs on my network?
[16:44] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: you're not on wireless, right?
[16:44] <DarkTan_> i just found the little button on the bottom of the window to oconnect
[16:44] <Dr_willis> pteague_work,  I think webmin has that feature.. but i recall some other tools that let you do ssh commands and span them to several box's
[16:44] <limac> Sanne: hold on lemme try :)
[16:45] <Dr_willis> Im so Lagged/theISP is flakey today - i can only talk in 20 sec spurts.. then im lagged out again.. SIGH...
[16:45] <DarkTan_> still have only the groups, no buddies
[16:45] <pteague_work> Dr_willis> ah, not needing that... i'm trying to avoid getting stuck with fedora core & whm/cpanel for dummy administration
[16:45] <limac> yeah
[16:45] <limac> Sanne ^^^
[16:45] <limac> in green
[16:45] <Sanne> limac: what's the output of 'uname -a'
[16:46] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: are you on wireless?
[16:46] <DarkTan_> no
[16:46] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: then kill knetowrkmanager
[16:46] <DarkTan_> wireless is still fubar, but i found something on that
[16:46] <DarkTan_> ho do i do that?
[16:46] <limac> Sanne: Linux limac-kubuntu 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Dec 18 08:02:57 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:46] <Sanne> limac: and the output of: file blender
[16:46] <nosrednaekim> which is in the system tray
[16:47] <DarkTan_> i don't see it there
[16:47] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: look for the knetworkmanager icon on the status bar..
[16:47] <limac> Sanne: blender: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses s               hared libs), stripped
[16:47] <nosrednaekim> ok, then run "killall knetworkmanager" from a konsole
[16:48] <DarkTan_> no process killed
[16:48] <Sanne> limac: aha! You seem to run a 32bit Kubuntu (i686), but downloaded a 64bit blender. Won't work :)
[16:48] <ciao> hi
[16:49] <ciao> what program is good for html and css development?
[16:49] <limac> Sanne: ah! dumb me! thnx a lot DUDE(hopefully) ;D
[16:49] <ciao> I mean IDE
[16:49] <Sanne> limac: when you redownload, pay attention to the python version blender is compiled with
[16:49] <limac> Sanne: sure thing ;)
[16:50] <Sanne> limac: if you're on gutsy, get blender 32bit for python 2.5 (I guess) and I'm actually no dude ;)
[16:50] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: odd..... I don't use kopete actually. Pidgin is far better
[16:50] <limac> allright then Sanne, i'll try the 32-bit version of blender thx
[16:50] <Sanne> you're welcome, limac :)
[16:50] <ciao> what program is good for html and css development?
[16:51] <Sanne> limac: one last thing...
[16:51] <DarkTan_> pidgin?
[16:51] <DarkTan_> gonna google it
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: yeah..
[16:51] <adhi> how to make a kubuntu likes vista
[16:51] <limac> Sanne: proceed
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> !vista
[16:51] <ubotu> vista is the new operating system by the evil overlords from Redmond. For more information, see http://www.badvista.org
[16:51] <ciao> dude it's not so bad vista...
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> ;
[16:51] <Sanne> limac: put the .blender folder you'll find inside the extracted blender directory to your home folder, ie: /home/limac/.blender
[16:52] <limac> Sanne: will do
[16:52] <limac> thx
[16:52] <Sanne> limac: have fun :)
[16:52] <limac> thx
[16:52] <Sanne> and come to #blender
[16:52] <Jucato> ooh blender....
[16:52] <Jucato> one of these days....
[16:53] <Sanne> Jucato: it's getting better and better :)
[16:53] <limac> Sanne: i am trying to make a 30 animation movie 9action)
[16:53] <DarkTan_> w00t talking forever to download
[16:53] <Jucato> Sanne: I know! I've been monitoring it since late 2005. it's the force that led me to Linux and FOSS :)
[16:54] <DarkTan_> i d/l the firefox tar.gz, how do i install it?
[16:54]  * Jucato can't wait for Apricot and Peach to be finished :D
[16:54] <DarkTan_> i direction on the site confuse me
[16:54] <Sanne> Jucato: yeah, it's amazing. I'm looking forward to see you also in #blender one day :)
[16:54] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: don't use that.... use the one in the repositories..
[16:54] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: that goes for pidgin too..
[16:54] <Sanne> limac: good luck with your animation project :)
[16:54] <DarkTan_> hoe do i get them in there?
[16:54] <Jucato> Sanne: hopefully... unfortunately I suck at art... but I can still dream/wish :P
[16:55] <limac> Sanne; thx
[16:55] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: run "sudo apt-get firefox"
[16:55] <Dr_willis> DarkTan_,  why are you even messing with the tar.gz ?
[16:55] <Jucato> (well I don't really "suck".. just not really good at it :P)
[16:55] <DarkTan_> cause that was what they had on the site for kubuntu
[16:55] <Dr_willis> Testing out  FF3 beta 2 here. :)
[16:55] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: that snowflak pic wasn'ttoo bad!
[16:55] <Dr_willis> DarkTan_,  Hmm no  you dont. :)
[16:56] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: I wish I could say "I did it in Karbon14!" though :(
[16:56] <DarkTan_> invalid operation
[16:56] <Sanne> Jucato: one step at a time. I'll keep my eyes open for you then :)
[16:56] <adhi> what a app for destop kubuntu?
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> Karbon14 is awful... no documentation..
[16:56] <Jucato> Sanne: thanks :)
[16:56] <Sanne> :)
[16:56] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: yeah...
[16:56] <limac> Sanne; for the 32-bit one it says: ./blender: error while loading shared libraries: libopenal.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:57] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: it has no feature to be documented!
[16:57] <nosrednaekim> emilsedgh: lol...
[16:57] <Sanne> limac: that's hopefully easy, you just need some libs. Let me find the name of the opeenal package for you
[16:57] <nosrednaekim> !lol > nosrednaekim
[16:57] <_mark_> Does anyone know if it would be safe to run: sudo apt-get --reinstall install dpkg ?
[16:57] <limac> Sanne: sure
[16:57] <Jucato> Sanne: don't keep them open too long though... I usually switch interests from year to year... 2004-2005 was my year of 3D graphics and animation... but that got replaced by Linux, FOSS, KDE, and C++ :P
[16:57] <_mark_> Or would that destroy my system.
[16:57] <nosrednaekim> _mark_: if it failed... it very easily could ;)
[16:58] <Sanne> limac: install libopenal0a
[16:58] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: whats your missing feature/app in kde?
[16:58] <_mark_> Okay . . .  :-(
[16:58] <Jucato> _mark_: any reason you would want to do that?
[16:58] <Jucato> emilsedgh: it's missing focus follows mind support
[16:59] <Jucato> as well as wink to select, and double wink to open
[16:59] <Sanne> Jucato: I can relate, I'm also a switcher kinda... but 3D *and* Linux stuck (so far...)
[16:59] <_mark_> Jucato: Yes, every time I try to install a file, or do anything at all with apt-get, I get a message saying: "files list file for package `dpkg' is missing final newline"
[16:59] <emilsedgh> Jucato: it has many missing features...
[17:00] <DarkTan_> nosrednaekim: i get this on firefox: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49837/
[17:00] <DarkTan_> and it can't find pidgin
[17:00] <Jucato> if you're on Dapper, Pidgin doesn't exist yet
[17:00] <Jucato> it's still GAIM
[17:00] <DarkTan_> oh
[17:01] <DarkTan_> can't find that either
[17:01] <_mark_> And from reading directions on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2007-January/104520.html , they say that you should, among other things, remove the offending package's info file and reinstall it - and dpkg is the offender.
[17:01] <limac> Sanne; yay! blender 2.45 is running ! yay! thanks a lot
[17:01] <limac> :)
[17:01] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: try lower case
[17:01] <DarkTan_> same error as firefix
[17:01] <DarkTan_> firefox*
[17:02] <nosrednaekim> and it seems the medibuntu repository messed things up... did you remove the medibuntu repository or something?
[17:02] <Jucato> so many problems tonight :/
[17:02] <adhi> how to change my desktop animation
[17:02] <DarkTan_> i just toldme to so i did
[17:02] <Jucato> _mark_: that is indeed problematic :(
[17:02] <Jucato> adhi: which animation?
[17:03] <DarkTan_> non firefox works
[17:03] <DarkTan_> now*
[17:03] <adhi> yes
[17:03] <adhi> likes vist
[17:03] <Jucato> O.o
[17:03] <adhi> likes vistA
[17:03] <Jucato> !compiz | adhi
[17:03] <ubotu> adhi: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[17:03] <nosrednaekim> !search gaim (dapper)
[17:03] <ubotu> Found: gaim2, im-#ubuntu*, im-#kubuntu, pidgin, gtalk, im, gaim, ubotu: no, im*, jabber
[17:03] <nosrednaekim> !info gaim (dapper)
[17:03] <ubotu> gaim: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.5.0+1.5.1cvs20051015-1ubuntu10 (dapper), package size 816 kB, installed size 2148 kB
[17:04] <DarkTan_> ok, giam works too
[17:04] <_mark_> Jucato: Yes . . . I think it the file in question was corrupted during a hard reset of the system, which I had to execute since my computer locked up.  And I can't get into X, either . . .  :-(  ;-)
[17:04] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: you can drop the  ( ) too
[17:04] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: thanks :D
[17:04] <Sanne> limac: good to hear, so have fun with blender :)
[17:04] <Jucato> !info gaim edgy
[17:04] <limac> Sanne: do u no why i cannot use the combo of Alt + left mouse button to rotatte in kubuntu?
[17:04] <ubotu> gaim: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.0.0+beta3.1-1ubuntu9 (edgy), package size 1311 kB, installed size 3712 kB
[17:04] <DarkTan_> where does it install new programs?
[17:04] <adhi> ok
[17:04] <Sanne> limac: hold on a sec, making coffee, brb
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: in /usr/bin
[17:05] <limac> Sanne: sure
[17:05] <DarkTan_> ok
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: you can run them with "gaim" or "firefox" from the terminal.... or they should be in your Kmenu
[17:10] <DarkTan_> linked them on the desk top
[17:10] <jay1> i have a question,why does knemo spawn another instance when i use adept?
[17:10] <nosrednaekim> whats knemo?
[17:10] <nosrednaekim> !info knemo
[17:10] <Jucato> network monitor
[17:10] <ubotu> knemo: network interfaces monitor for KDE's systray. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.8-1 (gutsy), package size 278 kB, installed size 1408 kB
[17:10]  * Jucato whistles innocently
[17:10] <andrew__> Hello?
[17:11] <Jucato> yes?
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> uhh oh...kdesudo problems again ?
[17:11] <Sanne> limac: sometimes the window manager catches modifier keys. I think, alt is mapped to something in Kubuntu by default. I always free the alt key and use the windows key as modifier for the window manager, so the alt is free for applications.
[17:11] <andrew__> Can someone help me... Never used linux before
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: whats the problem?
[17:11] <jay1> it happens when i also use automatix as well
[17:11] <andrew__> I can't see my ntfs hardrive
[17:11] <adhi> how to install Compiz & Compiz Fusion plugins
[17:12] <limac> Sanne: how do i do that?
[17:12] <DreadKnight> !ntfs andrew__
[17:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs andrew__ - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:12] <Jucato> !ntfs | andrew__
[17:12] <ubotu> andrew__: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[17:12] <DarkTan_> ok, i got homework to do, thx for all you help
[17:12] <DreadKnight> andrew__: i think you need to mount your drive ;)
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: you are on gutsy 7.10... right?
[17:12] <Sanne> limac: I always forget where I did that... looking right now, hold on
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: YVW :)
[17:13] <adhi> how to install Compiz & Compiz Fusion plugins
[17:13] <jay1> hmmm,must be a bug
[17:13] <limac> Sanne: take ur time!
[17:13] <andrew__> Yes i am
[17:13] <Jucato> limac: System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Window Actions tab
[17:13] <Jucato> Sanne: ^^^
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: system settings-> advanced tab -> disks and filesystems
[17:13] <RytmenPinnen> hey, I have a tiny problem, something is using xine preventing me looking at vids but i dont know what
[17:13] <Sanne> Jucato: thanks :)
[17:14] <limac> Jucato: wow! thanks
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> RytmenPinnen: go into system settings->sound system and mke the kde release control of the sound system immediately
[17:14] <limac> Jucato Sanne: thx it's working now!
[17:14] <andrew__> It gives me an error when  I say enable
[17:14] <adhi> how to install Compiz & Compiz Fusion plugins
[17:15] <Sanne> limac: you can also configure some key behaviour in blender itself, in it's user preferences window.
[17:15] <toguro> slt je suis novice quelqu'un pourrai m'aider
[17:15] <Sanne> limac: ah, cool! :)
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: are you in administrator mode?
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> !fr
[17:15] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[17:15] <andrew__> yes
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: whats the error?
[17:15] <toguro> Merci
[17:16] <limac> Sanne: during the installation of kubuntu why can't i migrate file between accounts?
[17:16] <andrew__> The system reported: [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[17:17] <Sanne> limac: hmm, not sure, sorry.
[17:17] <limac> Sanne: that's all right
[17:17] <RytmenPinnen> nosrednaekim: didnt work, but
[17:17] <limac> thx a lot anyway
[17:17] <adhi> how to get repository Compiz & Compiz Fusion plugins
[17:17] <limac> see ya
[17:17] <RytmenPinnen> quitting deluge did the job o.O
[17:17] <jussi01> !compiz | RytmenPinnen
[17:17] <ubotu> RytmenPinnen: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[17:17] <Sanne> you're welcome, limac
[17:17] <jussi01> gah
[17:18] <jussi01> adhi: ^
[17:18] <andrew__> The system reported: [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: wow.... never see that before. ok what you need to do is run "kdesudo kate /etc/fstab" go to the end of the last line of the file and press "enter" and save the file
[17:18] <jay1> sounds like he's got whitespace in his fstab file
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: actually... pastebin that file for me
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[17:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[17:20] <noaXess> does anybody have me a hint, with which program i can male a watersign on pictures.. 100 pictures.. nedd something automatically..
[17:20] <andrew__> Ok
[17:20] <noaXess> is there eg. a plugin for gwenview?
[17:20] <Jucato> Sanne: too bad limac's gone. I just realized a way to set Win/Meta as the modifier key *only* for specific windows (like Blender only)
[17:20] <vasilisa>  i just did something stupid. My cd roms arent mountiing correctly because i deleted the mount points under /media that looked like files and tries to replace them with folders to mount to, so it would look cleaner.... now its saying stuff like it cant read the dvd because i might not have permission, and K3b cant even mount it .
[17:21] <andrew__> Here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49842/
[17:21] <Sanne> Jucato: oh, that's interesting. How is that done?
[17:21] <Tonio_> tonio
[17:21] <vasilisa> andrew__: Thats to me?
[17:22] <Tonio_> oups...
[17:22] <Jucato> Sanne: ohwait nvm... I made a boo boo :P
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: in that pastebin.... is lines 5 and 6 actually on one linein the file?
[17:22] <Jucato> (it applied to all windows hahah!)
[17:22] <Sanne> Jucato: haha, ok :)
[17:22] <andrew__> How do I make my text go red?
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> KWIN4 can do that..
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: thats just because I mention your name in it.
[17:23] <nosrednaekim> !tab
[17:23] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[17:23] <Sanne> andrew__: the chat client colors text when somebody mentions your name
[17:24] <andrew__> nosrednaekim 5 and six are not on one line
[17:24] <vasilisa>  i just did something stupid. My cd roms arent mountiing correctly because i deleted the mount points under /media that looked like files and tries to replace them with folders to mount to, so it would look cleaner.... now its saying stuff like it cant read the dvd because i might not have permission, and K3b cant even mount it .
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: it is because the window is too small? maximize the kate window. if they are still not on the same line... i'll have to fix that..
[17:26] <andrew__> nosrednaekim they still on different lines...
[17:27] <vasilisa> Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading NAV packet.)
[17:27] <vasilisa> someone help me understand that?
[17:27] <vasilisa> In kaffeine
[17:27] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: ok... thats probably the problem... put all of those UUID lines up into the previous line.
[17:28] <andrew__> nosrednaekim what are UUID lines?
[17:28] <nosrednaekim> the lines that begin with UUID ;)
[17:28] <nosrednaekim> put them up to the previous line...
[17:28] <andrew__> nosrednaekim ah ok
[17:29] <nosrednaekim> should look like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49844/
[17:30] <andrew__> nosrednaekim ok done that
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> pastebin it...
[17:32] <andrew__> ok
[17:32] <andrew__> Here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49845/
[17:35] <nosrednaekim> erase the last line in that file
[17:35] <andrew__> the blank one?
[17:35] <sparr> with kvpnc, what settings do i use for a "normal" cisco vpn?  that is, one that windows xp connects to with no special configuration.
[17:38] <andrew__> the blank one?
[17:38] <andre> sorry i need the german kubuntu channel once again
[17:39] <Sanne> !de
[17:39] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: the blank one an the last text line as well
[17:39] <NickPresta> What is the corresponding driver on the nvidia website to nvidia-glx-new in the repos?
[17:39] <sparr> NickPresta: apt-cache show nvidia-glx-new and check the version
[17:41] <andrew__> nosrednaekim Ok done: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49847/
[17:42] <NickPresta> sparr, yeah, I see '100.14.19' in the repos. When I check the Nvidia archives, I see that was released on Sept. 21, 2007. The latest driver is 169.07, released a few days ago. Is the version in the repos 1 version behind the official version?
[17:42] <sigma> does anyone here know how to share the internet connection if im using a usb modem? i have the internet working on my pc, just can't share it. i want to share it to another linux pc
[17:42] <sigma> it probably is, dont think it can be updated very quickly
[17:44] <Sanne> NickPresta: the *ubuntus generally won't get version updates during their lifetime, only for bugfixes and security.
[17:44] <sparr> NickPresta: sometimes.  probably.
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: ok... reboot
[17:44] <andrew__> ok
[17:44] <NickPresta> sparr, hmm, okay. I suppose I will have to use the driver from the website then. Thanks.
[17:44] <sigma> Sanne: but shouldn't they put the updated one in the backports?
[17:45] <Sanne> sigma: maybe, I don't know.
[17:46] <WaltzingAlong> no
[17:46] <sigma> NickPresta: did u check in the gutsy-backports?
[17:47] <nico_> /echo $me
[17:47] <sparr> NickPresta: with debian theres the module-assistant method, dunno if ubuntu has that
[17:48] <BluesKaj> sparr yes , I have used it in the past installing fglrx drivers
[17:48] <BluesKaj> not intenionally of course...was a tutorial :)
[17:49] <BluesKaj> not intentionally
[17:49] <NickPresta> sparr, I just enabled the backports repo and pinned the packages so they are set to 'manual' install. Let me check to see if they have an updated driver
[17:56]  * LimCore is amazed by size of ubuntu failure to provide fonts that doesn't suck
[17:56] <jpatrick> LimCore: they look pretty good to me
[17:56] <Arwen> hmm? what's wrong with the default ones?
[17:56] <ardchoille> LimCore: They are nice IMHO
[17:56] <Arwen> there is a lack of good serif fonts, but who uses those?
[17:56] <LimCore> they fail to support  ó ż ź (polish) and some german glyphs
[17:57] <maybeway36> go in adept and install "ttf-anything"
[17:57] <LimCore> they show a rectange [] instead ó ż ź (polish) and some german glyphs
[17:57] <BluesKaj> eye candy is important to some , especially former windows users
[17:57] <maybeway36> ttf-whatever
[17:57] <LimCore> bitstream *  lack latin-2 glyphs,
[17:57] <maybeway36> there has to be some polish-supproting font inthere somewhere
[17:57] <LimCore> dejavu sans is incredible thin
[17:57] <maybeway36> try dejavu
[17:57] <LimCore> and nombus looks strange
[17:57] <Arwen> you could use Microsoft fonts
[17:57] <maybeway36> its like bitstream but with better international support
[17:57] <LimCore> onlye one not so terrible is dejavu serrif, but it is serrif
[17:57] <maybeway36> otherwise dejavu = bitstream
[17:58] <LimCore> maybeway36: on my system dejavu sans i gayified
[17:58] <maybeway36> and there is always liberation fonts you could try
[17:58] <LimCore> * is
[17:58] <LimCore> that is,  it is 0.5 pixels bold (thin), so it is always gray (anti alias)
[17:58] <maybeway36> weird
[17:59] <maybeway36> i posted my ttf-liberation pacjage here https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/176215
[17:59] <DarkTan_> ok, how do i make my digi cam work?
[17:59] <LimCore> maybeway36: looking
[18:00] <Arwen> DarkTan_, a digital camera or digikam?
[18:00] <DarkTan_> digital camera
[18:00] <ardchoille> DarkTan_: Which make/model?
[18:01] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: that was fast homework ;)
[18:01] <DarkTan_> bah
[18:01] <DarkTan_> i messed around with my wireless card to
[18:01] <DarkTan_> i was able to enable it, but can't pick up my network
[18:02] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: try out ndiswrapper...
[18:02] <maybeway36> i had to put my ESSID and WEP key in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:02] <nosrednaekim> !nsdiswrapper
[18:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nsdiswrapper - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:02] <maybeway36> !ndiswrapper
[18:02] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[18:02] <nosrednaekim> !ndiswrapper
[18:02] <ardchoille> DarkTan_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaDigitalCameras
[18:03] <DarkTan_> yay, mine's not on the list
[18:04] <ardchoille> DarkTan_: Doesn't mean it isn't supported, which make/model.
[18:04] <DarkTan_> photosmart m525
[18:04] <DarkTan_> HP
[18:04] <ardchoille> DarkTan_: It's in the list of supported cams.
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> HP  things should work... they are usually pretty good about linux upport
[18:05] <DarkTan_> well i reconizes the cam, but i can't get the pictures
[18:05] <ardchoille> DarkTan_: alt+f2, Peripherals > Digital Camera > click the camera and add it
[18:05] <ardchoille> DarkTan_: Ah, ok
[18:05] <ardchoille> DarkTan_: sorry, alt+f2 type in kcontrol
[18:06] <ardchoille> I don't know where that is in system settings
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: using which program?
[18:06] <DarkTan_> konquer
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: use digikam.
[18:07] <DarkTan_> ok
[18:07] <ardchoille> the digikam app rocks
[18:07] <DarkTan_> where is it?
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> konqueror sometimes has problems with the camera protocol... and is alot slower even when it does work.
[18:07] <Arwen> meh, digikam's missing a filename filter
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> graphics?
[18:07] <Arwen> DarkTan_, under graphics
[18:07]  * nosrednaekim is not using kde3
[18:07] <DarkTan_> nope
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: just try running it from an "alt+f2" run dialog...
[18:08] <DarkTan_> did that, no good
[18:09] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: "sudo apt-get install digkam"
[18:09] <ardchoille> Where is "peripherals" in system settings?
[18:09] <nosrednaekim> don't think its there...
[18:09] <ardchoille> :(
[18:09] <ardchoille> I'm sure gonna miss kcontrol
[18:10] <DreadKnight> digikam
[18:10] <DarkTan_> installing
[18:10] <maybeway36> kcmshell --list?
[18:10] <maybeway36> that might help
[18:10] <DarkTan_> ok digikam is up and running
[18:10] <nosrednaekim> DreadKnight: yeah <_<
[18:11] <ardchoille> maybeway36: Yes, that works, but it'd be nice if system settings had it.
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: isn't apt-get nice? :)
[18:11] <Arwen> oh yeah, where's kcontrol? I can't find it in any menu
[18:11] <Arwen> (apt-get is deprecated too)
[18:11] <DarkTan_> yes it is, i'm starting to get used to this stuff
[18:11] <ardchoille> Arwen: It's not in the menus for kde3.5.8, and it's gone in kde4
[18:11] <DreadKnight> what is newer than apt-get arwen?
[18:11] <Arwen> aptitude
[18:11] <Arwen> ardchoille, what? we have to use that incompetent system settings app?
[18:11] <DreadKnight> hmm... tought it's the same thing
[18:11] <maybeway36> apt-get will never go away thoguh
[18:11] <usr002> Hi mates
[18:11] <maybeway36> all the others depend on it i think
[18:12] <ardchoille> Arwen: yes :(
[18:12] <DarkTan_> ok added the cam
[18:12] <usr002> can anyone help me with this
[18:12] <usr002> hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[18:12] <DreadKnight> arwen please give some examples of using aptitude
[18:12] <Arwen> DreadKnight, it is, except with mandatory repository syncing
[18:12] <Arwen> aptitude install blah
[18:12] <Arwen> aptitude remove blah
[18:12] <llutz> DreadKnight: man aptitude
[18:12] <Arwen> or just aptitude
[18:12] <ardchoille> aptitude purge blah
[18:12] <DreadKnight> apt-get is shorter xD
[18:12] <Arwen> :-P
[18:12] <Arwen> hmm, VLC keeps crashing when I call the open file dialog
[18:12] <llutz> DreadKnight: then try to search with apt-get for packages (not with apt-cache) :()
[18:12] <Arwen> doesn't seem to like KDE
[18:13] <DarkTan_> ok, hoe do i get my pics now?
[18:13] <zibrah3ed> ptitude is a very useful curses-based front end to the apt toolset.
[18:13] <DarkTan_> w00t! never mind got it
[18:14] <DreadKnight> ok guys thanks :) i see ^^
[18:14] <andrew__> nosrednaekim hi! Thanks for your help earlier... I can see the hardrive now, but when I try to mount it is gives me this: hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[18:14] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_: it working?
[18:15] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: ok... thats fairly easy to fix...
[18:15] <DarkTan_> yeah, just need to find out where it put them
[18:16] <DarkTan_> ok, don't need to know, just drag and drow
[18:16] <sparr> how can i get the gnome network manager applet (nm-applet) to show up in my kde panel or system tray?
[18:16] <DarkTan_> drop*
[18:16] <DarkTan_> this thing rox
[18:16] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: go into system settings->advanced->disks and filesystems
[18:17] <andrew__> ya?
[18:17] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: select your windows partition and click "modify"
[18:17] <nosrednaekim> change the mount permissions to "all users"
[18:17] <nosrednaekim> sparr: should should be able to just run it.
[18:17] <DarkTan_> ok, back to home work, i come back if i get the wireless up
[18:18] <nosrednaekim> homework on christmas break?
[18:18] <andrew__> theres no option to modify
[18:18] <nefta> hi
[18:18] <DreadKnight> did anyone managed to upgrade to kde4 recently? the packages where broken a few days ago
[18:18] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: then press "new" with that partition selected
[18:18] <sparr> nosrednaekim: when i run it i get nothing.  if i have a gnome-panel open i see it there, but nothing in kicker
[18:19] <andrew__> Ok done
[18:19] <andre> need help plz i want to change with kwrite a txt file but i havent the permission can anybody help me plz
[18:19] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: now click modify, and you're going to need to change something..
[18:19] <sparr> anderson_: kdesu kwrite file.txt
[18:19] <sparr> andre: ^^
[18:20] <nefta> how can I look for another channels or rooms??
[18:20] <andrew__> ok
[18:20] <sparr> nefta: what client?  /list works everywhere, but its not the best
[18:20] <jussi01> !irc | nefta
[18:20] <ubotu> nefta: A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: what do you have as the mount point?
[18:21] <nefta> whoops
[18:21] <spykedtomato> hey all
[18:22] <spykedtomato> anyone here familliar with gtkpod?
[18:22] <andrew__> This: <mount point>
[18:22] <andrew__> andrew_ hi
[18:22] <spykedtomato> <-- gtkpod n00b, and today google is NOT my friend ;)
[18:23] <nefta> could somebody show me the link to get into any argentina´s channel?
[18:23] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: change it to "/mount/windows"
[18:23] <andrew__> OK
[18:23] <andrew__> done
[18:24] <nosrednaekim> make the "type" ntfs
[18:24] <nosrednaekim> check "enable at startup"
[18:25] <andrew__> done
[18:25] <nosrednaekim> change "mount permission" to "any user may mount unmount"
[18:25] <nosrednaekim> hit ok.. and "enable" it.
[18:25] <andrew__> done
[18:26] <nosrednaekim> ok... go to /media/windows in konqueror
[18:26] <andrew__> when I press ok it gives me this: /mount/windows
[18:26] <andrew__> The mountpoint '/mount/windows' does not exist. You will not be able to enable it until it is created.\
[18:26] <andrew__> Should I create the mountpoint?
[18:26] <nosrednaekim> yes.. create it
[18:27] <nefta> could somebody show me the link to get into any argentina´s channel?
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> !ar
[18:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ar - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> !argentina
[18:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about argentina - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:27] <hydrogen> its #kubuntu-countrycode
[18:27] <hydrogen> err
[18:27] <hydrogen> #ubuntu
[18:27] <hydrogen> if there is one
[18:27] <andrew__> An error occurred while enabling <mount point>.
[18:27] <andrew__> The system reported: fuse: mount failed: Device or resource busy
[18:27] <andrew__> FUSE mount point creation failed
[18:27] <andrew__> Unmounting /dev/sda1 ()
[18:28] <spykedtomato> anyone familliar with gtkpod? I'm trying to figure out how to sync the master playlist from a folder and INCLUDE all subfolders - but I'm snagged...
[18:28] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: try it again...
[18:28] <nosrednaekim> if it fails again... reboot (which is the simplest way to fix that)
[18:28] <andrew__> When I try enable it gives me this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49853/
[18:29] <ciao> what's the equivalent of visual web developer in linux?
[18:29] <andrew__> When I try enable it gives me this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49853/
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> ciao: nvu
[18:29] <Jucato> nvu is no longer maintained. it's succeeded by kompozer now
[18:29] <ciao> ok nvu is the name of the ide?
[18:30] <jussi01> !kompozer
[18:30] <ubotu> kompozer is WYSIWYG HTML editor for easily creating web pages, and the continuation of the dead Nvu project. It is available in !Universe on !Gutsy, !Backports on !Feisty, and from  « deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tonyyarusso/ubuntu edgy universe » for Edgy.  (Dapper still pending)
[18:30] <Jucato> yes
[18:30] <Jucato> !info nvu
[18:30] <ubotu> Package nvu does not exist in gutsy
[18:30] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: does it still show <mount point> as the location that it will be mounted to?
[18:30] <dorkface> Hi all.  I just installed kubuntu server 7.10, and when I try to apt-get packages it searches for the cd-rom.  I tried commenting out the cd-rom line, but if I try again, it says that it can't find any of the packages that I try to get.  Any suggestions?
[18:30] <andrew__> ok
[18:30] <ciao> can you creat css with kompozer ?
[18:30] <jussi01> ciao: yes
[18:31] <ciao> yeaaaaaaaaah cool thx
[18:31] <nosrednaekim> dorkface: run "sudo apt-get update"
[18:31] <ciao> I'll get it
[18:31] <andrew__> nosrednaekim yes it does still show that
[18:31] <jussi01> ciao: quanta isnt that bad either
[18:31] <jussi01> !info quanta | ciao
[18:31] <dorkface> ah ok, something happened with my connection. thanks :)
[18:31] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: modify it again and change it to /media/windows
[18:31] <ubotu> ciao: quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 2385 kB, installed size 5744 kB
[18:32] <andrew__> Cool It Worked!!!
[18:32] <ciao> quanta or kompozer? or should I try them both?
[18:32] <andrew__> Thanks!!! Can I ask you one more thing?
[18:33] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: sweet :D
[18:33] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: go ahead
[18:34] <andrew__> How do I enable my cdrom?
[18:34] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: what happens when you pop in a CD?
[18:36] <andrew__> Ah it seems to work
[18:36] <nosrednaekim> XD
[18:36] <andrew__> How do you know all this?
[18:37] <nosrednaekim> been using linux for 5 years.... you learn things :D
[18:37] <andrew__> WOW!
[18:37] <andrew__> It's amazing
[18:38] <nosrednaekim> yeah, once you have all of the hardware problems sorted out.
[18:39] <andrew__> How do you change the refresh rate to 60hz?
[18:39] <maybeway36> i would look in /etc/X11/xorg.ci\onf
[18:39] <maybeway36> */etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:40] <TimS> I've just turned my PC on, but I cant access Localhost, how can I check the status of my Apache server?
[18:41] <dorkface> What would be the best point-to-point file transfer protocol in terms of minimal overhead?  rsync?
[18:41] <ardchoille> TimS: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 status
[18:41] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: is the refresh rate bothering you?
[18:41] <andrew__> well I can only set it to 50 or 51, but in windows I had it at 60
[18:41] <TimS> ardchoille:  * Usage: /etc/init.d/apache2 {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload|start-htcacheclean|stop-htcacheclean}
[18:41] <TimS> Ill see if it starts :P
[18:42] <TimS> Ah, it doesn't.
[18:42] <ardchoille> TimS: Ah, no status? Thanks for the heads up.
[18:42] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: but is the refresh rate bothering you? usually X detects the best refresh rate.
[18:43] <andrew__> I see, no it's not really, but I don't like the fonts
[18:43] <bmk789_> anyone using a 2.6.24 kernel on 64bit?
[18:43] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: change them ;)
[18:43] <nosrednaekim> bmk789_: that would be for #ubuntu +1
[18:44] <andrew__> How?
[18:44] <andrew__> Oh nevermind got it
[18:46] <nosrednaekim> andrew__: haveta go... have fun :D
[18:47] <andrew__> byebye
[18:47] <spykedtomato> In gtkpod I'm trying to figure out how to sync the master playlist from a folder and INCLUDE all subfolders - but can't figure it out - when I sync it only syncs the files in the main dir and not the subfolders... I'm using gtkpod 0.99.10 on kubuntu gutsy with libgpod 0.6.0 with my iPod Classic 160Gb
[18:49] <chato> wenas
[18:56] <LOGAN> where are installed apps in life mode stored and how can I browse to them
[19:05] <konrad> An Amarok-script wants me to install pygtk. aptitude search pygtk gives no results. Anyone knows what it is called?
[19:06] <fdoving> konrad: python-gtk
[19:08] <Tonren> When I go to System Settings and change "GTK Style" to "Use another style: [Qt]" under Appearance, my changes aren't saved.  I click Apply, close the window, then go back to the same window and "Use my KDE style in GTK applications" is selected again.
[19:10] <konrad> fdoving: python-gtk doesn't exist. python-gtk2 already installed. Installed python-gtk-1.2 as well but the script still complains
[19:10] <nikolaj> Amarok triggered install of mp3 support and after it it asks to restart amarok, but then i still can't play mp3 files and it still triggers the mp3 support install
[19:10] <fdoving> konrad: might need the -dev packages, python-gtk2-dev maybe?
[19:11] <konrad> Worth a try
[19:13] <nikolaj> Now how can i enable mp3 support. Totem plays mp3 files nicely. Is there something I have to activate inside amarok, which amarok forgot to set automatically?
[19:14] <konrad> Didn't work either unfortunately. Oh, well. Will try to figure that out later. Have to go afk
[19:14] <konrad> Thanks anyway
[19:16] <fdoving> konrad: might want to try #amarok then
[19:24] <white_eagle> does anyone of you own a ps3?
[19:25] <david__> can anyone help a newb with ndiswrapper
[19:25] <ardchoille> !ndiswrapper
[19:25] <jussi01> david__: have you followed the guide?
[19:25] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[19:25] <david__> tried to
[19:25] <jussi01> david__: is it for broadcom?
[19:26] <david__> no wmp54g
[19:26] <david__> linksys
[19:26] <david__> everythings installed but windows drivers
[19:27] <david__> couldnt figure out how to get cabextract
[19:28] <Sanne> david__: install package cabextract ;)
[19:30] <david__> how di i do that
[19:30] <david__> im very new to linux
[19:31] <Arwen> david__, apt-get install cabextract
[19:31] <david__> ty
[19:31] <ardchoille> david__: sudo apt-get install cabextract
[19:31] <Arwen> !apt | david__ for future reference
[19:31] <ubotu> david__ for future reference: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[19:32] <Sanne> david__: if you're new, you might find this info helpful also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[19:32] <david__> couldnt find pkg cabextract
[19:33] <Arwen> oh yeah, you need to enable the universe repository, see Sanne's link
[19:33] <usr002> hi !!! again
[19:33] <ardchoille> david__: Which version of kubuntu are you using?
[19:34] <usr002> hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[19:34] <usr002> i-m geting this error
[19:34] <david__> 7.10
[19:34] <Drk_Guy> Hi guys
[19:34] <usr002> when mounting my external hdd
[19:34] <ardchoille> david__: Then universe should have been enabled by default
[19:34] <Drk_Guy> I have a question
[19:34] <Dr_willis> Its amazing the # of times i see someone asking about that a week usr002 .. i "THINK" the fix is put a proper fstab entry for your drive.
[19:34] <Drk_Guy> Why there is no torrent for the Cd releases?
[19:35] <Dr_willis> Drk_Guy,  ive seen torrents for all the cd images.
[19:35] <Arwen> same here
[19:35] <Drk_Guy> Where?
[19:35] <Drk_Guy> I can't see em on the official site
[19:35] <Drk_Guy> http://www.kubuntu.com/download.php
[19:35] <Dr_willis> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/
[19:35] <Arwen> http://ubuntu.eriders.ge/releases/kubuntu/gutsy/ <-- scroll down
[19:36] <Arwen> or any mirror really
[19:36] <Drk_Guy> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/release/dvd/
[19:36] <Drk_Guy> *dvd*
[19:36] <Drk_Guy> I want a cd
[19:36] <Drk_Guy> *cd*
[19:36] <ardchoille> Drk_Guy: Click on the CD link, choose a mirror and then look for a .torrent
[19:36] <Arwen> Drk_Guy, did you even read my post?
[19:36] <Dr_willis> My Fave Torrent site for Ubuntu ---> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[19:36] <Drk_Guy> Arwen: Where?
[19:37] <Arwen> [14:35] <Arwen> http://ubuntu.eriders.ge/releases/kubuntu/gutsy/ <-- scroll down
[19:37] <Drk_Guy> It's a lot of time since i left the ubuntu comunity
[19:37] <Drk_Guy> And i want to go back
[19:37] <Arwen> there's a bunch of file links at the bottom, look for the one that ends in .torrent
[19:37] <Arwen> they're all CDs
[19:37] <Dr_willis> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ shows the # of leechers and so forth. - not a lot of people shareing torrents at this time it seems.
[19:38] <Drk_Guy> Got the torrent, thx to Dr_willis
[19:38] <Dr_willis> May be faster to use the ftp sites
[19:38] <Drk_Guy> Ftp sucks
[19:38] <Drk_Guy> So slow
[19:38] <Dr_willis> Drk_Guy,  i have to disagree...
[19:38]  * jussi01 gets > 600kbs from the direct download...
[19:38] <Dr_willis> it all depends..
[19:38] <trappist> erm, ftp isn't any slower than http
[19:38] <Arwen> the mirrors are faster than my connection, so meh
[19:38] <Drk_Guy> ...
[19:38] <Drk_Guy> I prefer torrent
[19:38] <Arwen> 160 seeds to 20 peers on the desktop ISO
[19:39] <Drk_Guy> Than http/ftp
[19:39] <trappist> if anything it has less application layer overhead, and should be faster
[19:39] <Dr_willis> I got very good speeds on the torrents when the disks were first released. -  Proberly wont be near as fast now.
[19:39] <Arwen> Drk_Guy, since you're too lazy to read what I say, http://ubuntu.eriders.ge/releases/kubuntu/gutsy/kubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[19:39] <Dr_willis> Of course when ya have 6000+ seeds. :)
[19:39] <ardchoille> !coc | Arwen
[19:39] <ubotu> Arwen: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[19:40] <Drk_Guy> Got it Arwen
[19:40] <david__> still needing help installing drivers in ndiswrapper
[19:40] <aszxc> hi
[19:40] <aszxc> how can i print the name of CD ?
[19:40] <Drk_Guy> Dr_willis: I still prefer Torrent because there is lesser chance for the server to hang up
[19:40] <ardchoille> david__: Were you able to install cabextract?
[19:40] <david__> no
[19:40] <Drk_Guy> Ok
[19:40] <Arwen> aszxc, as in the volume label?
[19:41] <Drk_Guy> Same wait time as for Drift City
[19:41] <Drk_Guy> lol
[19:41] <aszxc> Arwen yes
[19:41] <aszxc> Arwen i can't see it anywhere
[19:41] <Drk_Guy> Kde rocks Gnome
[19:41] <Drk_Guy> :P
[19:41] <ardchoille> david__: Did you enable universe?
[19:41] <aszxc> Arwen best to print it via command line
[19:41] <david__> is it in a certain directory
[19:42] <ardchoille> !repo | david__
[19:42] <ubotu> david__: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[19:42] <david__> probably not i am completely new to linux
[19:42] <ardchoille> david__: Good information there about how the repos work
[19:42] <Arwen> aszxc, hmm, can't find it off the top of my head, I'll see if I can get back to you in a few minutes
[19:42] <Drk_Guy> Silly question here!
[19:43] <Drk_Guy> Does kubuntu comes with Gtk+?
[19:43] <david__> repos?
[19:43] <aszxc> Arwen thnx
[19:43] <aszxc> Arwen i will wait
[19:43] <ardchoille> david__: yes, read that page that ubotu posted to you
[19:43] <jussi01> !nickspam > praisemachine
[19:43] <Drk_Guy> xD
[19:43] <Dr_willis> Drk_Guy,  you can easially install gnome and other gtk+ relat4ed apps
[19:44] <Drk_Guy> Dr_willis: So i doesn't come with it by default?
[19:44] <Dr_willis> Drk_Guy,  No idea. Never noticed.. never cared.. :) if i instgall an app that needs it.. it will get installed auto-magicially.
[19:44] <Drk_Guy> lol
[19:44] <Drk_Guy> Debian/Ubuntu magic
[19:44] <Dr_willis> of course its sprt of pointless to have it installed if nothing is using it.
[19:45] <Drk_Guy> Then i'll have to reuse my ownly created Lexmark script
[19:45] <Drk_Guy> :D
[19:45] <aszxc> Arwen i just found it in the 'dmesg' output
[19:45] <Arwen> alternatively, you can use the volname command, aszxc
[19:45] <Arwen> as in volname /dev/cdrom
[19:46] <Drk_Guy> I really miss the easiness of use of Ubuntu
[19:46] <Drk_Guy> But as i really don't like gnome
[19:46] <Drk_Guy> I chose kubuntu
[19:46] <Arwen> heh
[19:46]  * Arwen always wanted to try Gentoo, but not having a Core 2 Duo @ 3.4 GHz kind of killed that
[19:46] <Drk_Guy> Cool
[19:47] <Drk_Guy> lol
[19:47] <aszxc> Arwen cool, thnx
[19:47] <aszxc> bye
[19:47] <aszxc> :)
[19:47]  * Drk_Guy has passed troughout Debian, Knoppix, DSL, Puppylinux, Backtrack, Fedora and Slackware
[19:47] <Drk_Guy> But /me chooses to get back to Ubuntu
[19:48] <Arwen> I've used an old version of slackware and DSL, but the only thing I've tried seriously is K/ubuntu
[19:48] <Drk_Guy> The distro that i used the most was Debian
[19:48] <Arwen> can't beat the 1 CD installer :-\
[19:48] <Drk_Guy> Ubuntu's mum
[19:48] <Drk_Guy> No?
[19:48] <Drk_Guy> It's too easy
[19:48] <Drk_Guy> I prefer the GUI method
[19:48]  * Arwen doesn't like Debian's release cycle. It's glacial.
[19:49]  * Drk_Guy really think Debian is too stable
[19:49] <Drk_Guy> And Ubuntu is too Edgy
[19:49] <Drk_Guy> xD
[19:49] <Arwen> speaking of that, framebuffer consoles are broken in 7.10 :-\
[19:49] <Arwen> lame
[19:49] <Drk_Guy> Huh?
[19:49] <Drk_Guy> Anyway, i can beat that
[19:50] <Drk_Guy> I'm used to the txt only boot-up
[19:50] <jussi01> !oftopic
[19:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oftopic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:50] <jussi01> !offtopic
[19:50] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[19:50] <Arwen> jussi01, take a tea break or something, nobody's asking questions.
[19:50] <Drk_Guy> jussi01: If no one is asking anything, we can make lil offtopic stuff
[19:51] <Drk_Guy> Arwen: Your host-name reveals your wikipedia-staff
[19:51] <Drk_Guy> Cool
[19:51] <Drk_Guy> O.O
[19:51] <Arwen> no, not really
[19:51] <Drk_Guy> No?
[19:51] <Arwen> They give away the hostmasks :-P
[19:51] <Arwen> just ask
[19:51] <Dr_willis> can i get a hostmask that says "DrOfLove" ? :)
[19:51] <Drk_Guy> They gave me a rare hostname
[19:51] <Drk_Guy> a random one
[19:52] <Arwen> heh
[19:52]  * Drk_Guy chillz to Gorillaz - El Mañana / Kids with Gunz
[19:52] <ardchoille> Hostmask requests should be directed to a freenode staffer
[19:52]  * Dr_willis performs a Z-botomy on Drk_Guy 
[19:52] <Drk_Guy> So you just chose that stuff?
[19:52] <Arwen> say, is there a way to get a now-playing script for Konversation?
[19:52] <jussi01> Arwen: /media
[19:53]  * Drk_Guy performs a tux-throw at Dr_willis
[19:53] <Arwen> jussi01, thanks a thousand
[19:53]  * Dr_willis Jamms to Pat Boone - In a Metal Mood.mp3
[19:53] <jussi01> Arwen: :)
[19:53] <Drk_Guy>  /media works all times
[19:53] <ardchoille> !ot
[19:53] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[19:53]  * Arwen is listening to The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny by Lemon Demon on The Ultimate Showdown [Amarok]
[19:53] <Arwen> yep, it works
[19:53]  * Drk_Guy killz you to Gorillaz - Every Planet we Reach is Dead
[19:54] <Drk_Guy> lol
[19:54] <Drk_Guy> Dudes, what do you prefer?
[19:54] <Drk_Guy> K or G?
[19:54] <NickPresta> Is it really that hard to type '/join #kubuntu-offtopic'? You can chat all you want in there.
[19:54] <Drk_Guy> Chill down NickPresta
[19:54] <Drk_Guy> Take it easy
[19:54] <Drk_Guy> No one's asking
[19:54] <Arwen> what's the big deal? if we weren't talking, the channel'd be quiet
[19:55] <Drk_Guy> Yeah
[19:55] <NickPresta> Drk_Guy, I am chill. This is a support channel. It's meant for support as per the /topic.
[19:55] <Drk_Guy> NickPresta: Are you trying to make a kludge?
[19:55] <sourcemaker> Yeah... I am asking... again... *g* Are ther kernel profs here?
[19:55] <ardchoille> Channel rules are there for a reason and should be followed regardless of current channel traffic.
[19:55] <Arwen> and if anything, silence turns away newcomers more than offtopic chat
[19:55] <Drk_Guy> NickPresta: Just chill down, and wait for sum1 to ask
[19:55] <Sanne> it's a bit hard for people who are glancing at the channel window from time to time if somebody needs help... and it just offtopic chat that alerts them.
[19:55] <Bruno> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz boring
[19:56] <Lynoure> It's quite hard to re-rail a derailed channel. I hope it does not happen to this one.
[19:56] <Drk_Guy> What are we going to do?...
[19:56] <Drk_Guy> "..."
[19:56] <NickPresta> Drk_Guy, you can take the chat to !ot. :)
[19:57] <sourcemaker> Here is my simple question... to prevent offtopics ;-) I have compiled and install the last vanilla kernel 2.6.23.12 with nvidia support myself... how can I prevent apt to install the next kubuntu kernel release....????
[19:57] <Lynoure> Does anyone know if Hardy will have direct upgrade to the next (actual) LTS version that comes after it?
[19:57] <Drk_Guy> 8 h 30 m
[19:57] <Drk_Guy> left
[19:58] <Drk_Guy> ...
[19:58] <Drk_Guy> :(
[19:58] <jussi01> !pinning | sourcemaker
[19:58]  * jussi01 waits for the bot...
[19:58] <NickPresta> sourcemaker, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html Check out the section on pinning.
[19:59] <sourcemaker> NickPresta: Great... thanks
[19:59]  * Drk_Guy read the ubotu tip
[19:59] <NickPresta> sourcemaker, it's section 3.10, I believe.
[19:59] <Drk_Guy> Debian is cool, but it is really late released
[19:59] <Drk_Guy> Don't you think so?
[20:00] <Drk_Guy> The inclusion of Compiz by default is a real cool desicion
[20:00] <jussi01> Drk_Guy: please take the offtopic to #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:00] <Drk_Guy> *desition
[20:00] <Drk_Guy> F...
[20:01] <vasilisa> !libdvdcss
[20:01] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[20:01] <vasilisa> Am i to understand that it is now illegal to have software that can play dvds on linux?
[20:01] <Drk_Guy> Wt?!!!
[20:01] <stdin> depends where you are
[20:02] <vasilisa> America
[20:02] <Drk_Guy> Ah
[20:02]  * Drk_Guy chillz
[20:02] <Drk_Guy> Colombia's tech trules SUCK
[20:02] <stdin> then it may be (IANAL)
[20:02] <Lynoure> Drk_Guy: if you want my opinion on Debian and Kubuntu, I'll gladly tell you on #kubuntu-offtopic as it's on my mind a lot currently :)
[20:02] <Drk_Guy> *rules
[20:02] <vasilisa> That is so fecking stupid
[20:02] <vasilisa> what are they trying to do? alienate us?
[20:02] <Dr_willis> vasilisa,   There are comercial dvd programs for linux.
[20:03] <Drk_Guy> Commercial?
[20:03] <Drk_Guy> Eeewww
[20:03] <Arwen> vasilisa, it always was illegal
[20:03] <Dr_willis> some disrtos (comercial ones) have  legal dvd players. :)
[20:03] <stdin> you can buy the codec, yes
[20:03] <vasilisa> Whats it to the DVD format guys what operating systems we play on!?
[20:03] <Arwen> thank your representative
[20:03] <Dr_willis> I was thinking that Dell-Ubuntu package did so.
[20:03] <Dr_willis> vasilisa,  its not the dvd format.. its the encryption OF the dvd.
[20:03] <Arwen> vasilisa, don't shout. It's not really relevant to the channel anyhow, but they don't want open source implementations of CSS decryption.
[20:04] <vasilisa> u.u *sigh*
[20:04] <vasilisa> it just really twists my ears....
[20:04] <vasilisa> sorry
[20:04] <Dr_willis> the css decryption - is such an interesting history/story  to read about.
[20:04] <Drk_Guy> Content Scrambling System
[20:05] <Arwen> incidentally, at this time, with Blu-Ray and HD-DVD out, nobody really cares if you have libdvdcss, so screw the law (not an official suggestion)
[20:05] <Drk_Guy> NOT Cascaded Style Sheets
[20:05] <Arwen> ^^ or cross-site-scripting
[20:05] <Dr_willis> Communist Security Systems
[20:05] <vasilisa> Arwen: Then by all means, inform me how to make dvds work on my computer again
[20:05] <Dr_willis> !dvd
[20:05] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[20:05] <Arwen> ^^
[20:06] <Drk_Guy> lol
[20:06] <Dr_willis> In short.. Enable the Medibuntu repo.. install the packages needed. :)
[20:06] <vasilisa> Arwen: oh, medibuntu... *looks for*
[20:06] <ardchoille> !medibuntu
[20:06] <Dr_willis> !medibuntu
[20:06] <Dr_willis> :)
[20:06] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[20:06] <vasilisa> thank you
[20:07] <vasilisa> Ive been reading V for Vendetta, so guess what mood im in when it comes to stupid laws :D
[20:07] <Arwen> (thank your congressman)
[20:08] <vasilisa> Will do.
[20:08] <Dr_willis> Reading? Whats this 'reading' of which you speak?
[20:08] <Drk_Guy> yeah
[20:08] <Drk_Guy> An OS revolution!!!!
[20:08] <vasilisa> Dr_willis: Its a comic book.
[20:08] <stdin> it's your choice to obey the laws of your land, but please don't "brag" about it ;)
[20:08] <Dr_willis> :)
[20:08] <vasilisa> I didnt say anything :3
[20:08] <Drk_Guy> FFS, attack Congressman
[20:08] <Drk_Guy> *FSF
[20:09] <vasilisa> I envy people who live in countries that are better about these things.
[20:09] <Drk_Guy> Rms must act
[20:09] <vasilisa> anyway bai
[20:09] <Drk_Guy> What do you think about MS-GPL?
[20:10] <ardchoille> Drk_Guy: Please take off-topic chatter to another channel. Last warning.
[20:10] <Drk_Guy> ardchoille: Is anyone asking up something?
[20:10] <Drk_Guy> Just chill dude
[20:10] <stdin> Drk_Guy: doesn't matter, you've been warned
[20:10] <jussi01> Drk_Guy: as stated earlier, that really isnt the point.
[20:11] <Drk_Guy> Ok
[20:11] <Drk_Guy> All ops ignored
[20:11] <Arwen> *sigh* bueracracy
[20:11] <Drk_Guy> :)
[20:11] <Drk_Guy> All *ROGUE* ops
[20:12] <Drk_Guy> ...
[20:13] <Drk_Guy> And we continue to wait...
[20:15] <david__> if i upgrade kubuntu do i have to reinstall ndis wrapper?
[20:15] <Arwen> you will need to reinstall between kernel upgrades iirc.
[20:15] <Bruno> Alright Question:  I have xp installed on one hard disk.  If I install a flavor of ubuntu on a different hard disk will it change my boot partition to ubuntu's?
[20:16] <Bruno> i've never tried to and I do not wish to learn the hard way
[20:17] <david__> how can i upgrade 7.04 to the latest kernal version?
[20:17] <Arwen> Bruno, well, as far as boot partitions go, you'll just end up with one on each disk
[20:17] <Bruno> thats fine so long as i can specify the bott disk at startup
[20:17] <ardchoille> david__: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:17] <Arwen> david__, it's part of normal updates. You won't see a new major version unless you go to 7.10
[20:18] <Bruno> the only thing i need windows for is for playing some games where opengl just won't cut it
[20:18] <Arwen> Bruno, when you install, just read the text real carefully and manually partition whenever possible.
[20:18] <david__> thats the one i want 7.10
[20:18] <ardchoille> !upgrade | david__
[20:18] <ubotu> david__: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[20:19] <Bruno> Thanks
[20:19] <david__> reading comp is not to good
[20:19] <[ka]killer> humm, im trying to re-configure my mouse but i forgot the location of the config file @_@
[20:19] <david__> y i love this irc!
[20:20] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[20:20] <[ka]killer> thanks
[20:20] <[ka]killer> sorry, my brain is a bit scrambled right now
[20:20] <[ka]killer> been studying for SATs
[20:20] <ardchoille> No problem :)
[20:20] <Arwen> why would you study for the SAT?
[20:20]  * Arwen scratches head
[20:20] <ardchoille> !ot
[20:20] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[20:21] <[ka]killer> just the random crap i dont know
[20:21] <[ka]killer> for instance i fail at english
[20:23] <david__> any versions of kubuntu thats support wireless without ndiswrapper?
[20:25] <sourcemaker> davem_: Kubuntu Gusty does... (if you are not using wireless with a realtek chip)
[20:26] <david__> i have linksys WMP54G?
[20:27] <sourcemaker> david__: You can try the live-cd to test the connection... :-)
[20:27] <david__> IS THAT A REALTEC CHIP?
[20:27] <sourcemaker> david__: I do not know...
[20:27] <david__> caps sry
[20:28] <david__> k thnx
[20:28] <sourcemaker> david__: I have compiled the kernel my self... because I had problems with WLAN and Realtek
[20:29] <sourcemaker> david__: There are some problems in the current 2.6.23 kernel release with wlan and realtek
[20:37] <[ka]killer> humm
[20:38] <[ka]killer> anyone know why my tablet does not work? (its a tablet pc and it shows that its configured in the .conf file)
[20:38] <NickPresta> [ka]killer, what "does not work"?
[20:39] <[ka]killer> the entire thing, it does not sense the pen
[20:39] <[ka]killer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49872/
[20:40] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: Are the entires tablet at the bottom of /etc/X11/xorg.conf uncommented?
[20:40] <[ka]killer> wait what?
[20:41] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: Are you using Gutsy?
[20:41] <[ka]killer> yes
[20:41] <[ka]killer> i dont know what you mean by uncommented -_-
[20:41] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: Look at the bottom trhee entries in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:41] <[ka]killer> i am
[20:41] <[ka]killer> remove the #?
[20:41] <ardchoille> Do they have a "#" at the beginning?
[20:41] <[ka]killer> yes
[20:41] <ardchoille> Yes, remove those and restart x
[20:41] <[ka]killer> o
[20:42] <[ka]killer> thanks
[20:42] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: yw
[20:42] <[ka]killer> should i also remove the note to Uncomment if you have a wacom tablet
[20:42] <ardchoille> no
[20:42] <[ka]killer> k
[20:43] <ardchoille> Well, you can leave it or remove it, but don't uncomment it
[20:48] <[ka]killer__> humm
[20:48] <[ka]killer__> that seems to have killed Xserv
[20:48] <[ka]killer__> had to resort to my backup of xorg.conf
[20:50] <ardchoille> [ka]killer__: restarting xorg wills kde/kdm yes
[20:50] <ardchoille> s/wills/kills/
[20:51] <[ka]killer__> thats new
[20:51] <[ka]killer__> didnt do that in the past
[20:51] <[ka]killer__> unless i was messing with the display portion of xorg.conf
[20:51] <ardchoille> [ka]killer__: restarting xorg always kills kdm because kdm runs on top of xorg
[20:52] <[ka]killer> sorry had to kill xchat for a second there
[20:53] <[ka]killer> but when xorg restarts shouldnt kdm?
[20:53] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: If you restart xorg properly, then yes, kdm should restart too. How did you restart x?
[20:53] <[ka]killer> i'll deal with this later
[20:53] <[ka]killer> ctrl+alt+backspace
[20:53] <ardchoille> that's not the proper way to restartx
[20:54] <Dr_willis> If you startefd with kdm, went to X then used alt-ctrl-BS - normally KDm restarts for me.,
[20:54] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: The proper way to restart xorg is: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[20:54] <ardchoille> ctrl+alt+backspace is a "dirty" way of doing it, some things don't get saved.
[21:06] <sourcemaker> Can I shutdown KDE... will applications are running?
[21:06] <sourcemaker> while... not will
[21:09] <ardchoille> sourcemaker: Sure, if you log out it do it cleanly
[21:10] <Dr_willis> that will kill all the apps - of course. :)
[21:13] <ricardo> #ubuntu-games
[21:30] <russojt> is there a support or help channel?
[21:30] <ardchoille> russojt: Help for what? This channel is for kubuntu support
[21:30] <BluesKaj> !ask | russojt
[21:30] <ubotu> russojt: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[21:31] <Zealot87> alright, sometimes i get reemed out for asking in wrong channels :P
[21:31] <Zealot87> i cant get sound to work! :P, amarok plays just fine i just dont hear anything at all, test sounds dont work either
[21:32] <Zealot87> i have an onboard audio controller (AC'97) which could be getting in the way, i cant figure out how to switch it over to my pci sound card
[21:32] <ardchoille> !sound | Zealot87 have you seen this
[21:32] <Dr_willis> Hmm..
[21:32] <ubotu> Zealot87 have you seen this: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[21:33] <Dr_willis> its also possible you got one of those chipsets thats not totally supported yet. :(
[21:33] <Zealot87> i've checked to see if sound is running, it is, i've tried switching from ALSA to OSS and such, no luck
[21:33] <Dr_willis> use lspci to get more info on what sound chipset you got.
[21:33] <Zealot87> i went into alsamixer to see if i could just adjust some things or turn them on or off and it doesnt work either
[21:34] <Topsun> Zealot87: no MMs below?
[21:34] <Zealot87> that seems impossible, Dr_willis, i have used it before a few years ago with ubuntu and it worked, and its an old sb audigy
[21:35] <Zealot87> Topsun: I tried all sorts of combinations with MMs and mms and nothing seemed to work
[21:35] <Zealot87> i really think that i just need to switch from the onboard ac to my pci ac card, but i cant figure out how to do that
[21:35] <Topsun> MM = left and right channel is muted
[21:36] <Zealot87> yeah, and you can unmute them and such, didnt work
[21:36] <Topsun> asoundconf list
[21:36] <Topsun> asoundconf set-default-card <onefromthelist>
[21:36] <Zealot87> SI7012
[21:36] <Zealot87> UART
[21:36] <Zealot87> Audigy
[21:36] <Zealot87> oooo, lemme try this :)
[21:38] <Zealot87> w000t! Topsun it worked, it changed the alsamixer to the audigy, and then i just went back in and fudged some of the MMed channels and it works! thanks !
[21:39] <Topsun> you are welcome
[21:39] <Zealot87> i felt so alone without my computer sound :P
[21:39] <Topsun> music makes life better :)
[21:40] <Zealot87> definitely
[21:40] <Tallen> Hi. Any pointers on getting usage of all 4GB on my PC? 'free -m' only reports 2.9GB. My BIOS info reports all 4GB. Kubuntu 7.10 (2.6.22-14-generic).
[21:40] <Dr_willis> Hmmm.. You just said an Audigy sound card is an AC97?  Hmm..  You may want to double check what modules are getting loaded.
[21:41] <Dr_willis> or did i missread that. :)
[21:42] <sourcemaker> Tallen: what's the output... pastbin?
[21:42] <Topsun> he has two cards
[21:42] <Dr_willis> Ok that makes more sence. :)
[21:42] <Dr_willis> i always disable the onboard befor i install.
[21:42] <Tallen> sourcemaker: output of what? 'free -m' ?
[21:42] <sourcemaker> Tallen: sure
[21:44] <Tallen> sourcemaker: http://www.pastebin.org/13221 <- probably too much info, thought it might prove helpful.
[21:46] <sourcemaker> Tallen: Have you a custom kernel or the default kernel?
[21:46] <Tallen> custom kernel
[21:47] <Tallen> should I move to 64-bit Kubuntu? I was hesitent to previous Firefox plugin (Flash) issues.
[21:48] <qolo> yea dont go to 64 bit, simply not worth it
[21:48] <hari> hello
[21:48] <sourcemaker> Tallen: do you have HIGHMEM Support build in your kernel?
[21:48] <BluesKaj> Tallen, i'm using 64 bit , and FF works fine , just make sure you have ia32-libs installed
[21:49] <Tallen> sourcemaker: ah, <shrug> no idea. its stock kernel. GRUB switch ?
[21:49] <sourcemaker> Tallen: post your .config... if you have a custom kernel
[21:49] <Tallen> ah I dont have a custom kernel. No custom kernel, stock kernel.
[21:50] <hari> I got some strange problem after updating to 7.10 the CD drive is being scanned endlessly and i get some "device mapper" error in my virtual consoles, can some one help me?
[21:52] <Tallen> sourcemaker: so are you saying for me to get all 4GB ram visible I need a custom kernel? I was under the impression that Ubuntu enabled that option by default. Not true ?
[21:52] <sourcemaker> Tallen: No... that's not required!
[21:53] <sourcemaker> Tallen: Ubuntu has enabled HIGHMEM in the default configuration
[21:53] <david__> anyone know how to get wireless WMP54G linksys card to weork on kubuntu 7.10?
[21:53] <Tallen> sourcemaker: I figured it must in order for me to see more than 900MB of ram.
[21:54] <david__> got my graphics card working woot!
[21:54] <Tallen> Anyone else here running 4GB of RAM?
[21:54] <david__> i wish!
[21:54] <Zealot87> so i installed compiz fusion, and it lets me change the effects but none of them work...can anyone help?
[21:55] <g2g591> zealot87: run compiz --replace to start compiz fusion
[21:56] <david__> been trying for two days to get my wirless to work can someone plz help me!
[21:57] <Zealot87> g2g591: what do i do about that silly green dot in the corner
[21:58] <g2g591> zealot87: hmm never had that happen before, im not sure
[21:58] <david__> been trying for two days to get my wirless to work can someone plz help me!
[21:58] <jpatrick> !patience | david__
[21:58] <ubotu> david__: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[21:59] <Zealot87> g2g591: it says its an adept notifier
[21:59] <Lynoure> Zealot87: it sometimes shows there, Adept notifier gets overactive and wants to show you all is well. usually goes away on its own
[21:59] <thomas_> Hi all !
[21:59] <david__> just asking
[21:59] <Zealot87> Lynoure: ok, it wouldnt let me close it though...so i moved it to an unused workspace :P
[22:00] <thomas_> Can somebode assist me with KGpg and Kmail ?
[22:01] <slow-motion> re
[22:02] <Lynoure> Zealot87: where did you have it? usually it's just in the tray...
[22:02] <thomas_> OK, I modified "hompage" floder in KGpg to one in my home directory e.g. "PGP", now I can't get it change againg to what it shout be as a hidden thing called ".gnupg" What can I do ?
[22:02] <Topsun> david__: what have you investigated so far?
[22:02] <david__> everything i know to do
[22:02] <Topsun> then do it :)
[22:03] <david__> first time linux user sry
[22:03] <Topsun> have you tried searching the internet preverably the ubuntu wiki?
[22:03] <david__> i dont know wat to do or i wouldnt be asking
[22:03] <Lynoure> thomas_: What happens when you try to change it back?
[22:04] <Dr_willis> !wireless
[22:04] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[22:04] <david__> tried ndiswrapper dint work
[22:04]  * Dr_willis is glad he dosent do wireless ...
[22:04] <Dr_willis> Wireless can range from Trivial to do.. to impossible. :( dependng on the chipset
[22:05] <thomas_> I tryied to modify it, but does not allow it because it's covered by "root" rights, I fully de-installed it including restart of my box
[22:06] <david__> my system is detecting the network but fails to connect
[22:06] <thomas_> Of course re-installation again following !
[22:07] <Lynoure> thomas_: it being the setting or the directory?
[22:07] <Topsun> david__:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-79742.html
[22:07] <sourcemaker> david__: are you using any security related encryption? WEP? WPA / WPA2?
[22:07] <thomas_> I tried to fine a setting file for KGpg which may keep this link - couldn't fine one, same with Kmail because it did not detect the keys created
[22:07] <david__> none
[22:08] <sourcemaker> david__: MAC Filters?
[22:08] <Zealot87> why do my multiple desktops always show 2 more than i have
[22:08] <MS-Suse> when is kde4 gonna be included in a non live distro?
[22:08] <david__> no
[22:09] <sourcemaker> david__: DHCP enabled? on you wlan router? SSID visible? not visible? Static IP?
[22:09] <sourcemaker> david__: which chipset?
[22:09] <michael__> I have a friend who looks like has a hard drive has joined the hard drive choir in the sky.
[22:10] <michael__> I have booted the pc up with my 7.10, but how to I mount his hard drive to see if I can get anything off of it
[22:10] <david__> DHCP enabled dont know the chipset
[22:10] <thomas_> Yes i'm pritty sure a setting or directory is invloved but what can I do ? Any idea how to continue ?
[22:10] <g2g591> MS-Suse: january 11th :)
[22:10] <michael__> (live cd)
[22:10] <MS-Suse> lolz, michael, get off the crack
[22:10] <michael__> lol
[22:10] <Lynoure> thomas_: I just am trying to find _what you are doing now_
[22:11] <david__> i am completely new to all of this stuff so all the lingo i dont understand
[22:11] <thomas_> I'm back in a minute ! Sorry about this !
[22:11] <MS-Suse> g2g591, is it gonna be alpha2 of the 8.4?
[22:12] <michael__> I'm not addicted..........I can quit anytime I want.......................just.....dont want to right now
[22:12] <Lynoure> thomas_: There is the physical directory, ~/.gnupg  and the setting in kgpg -> GnuPG Settings -> Home location. Which are you changing?
[22:12] <g2g591> MS-Suse: i think, but, for sure, you can install rc 2 in Gutsy and Hardy alpha 1
[22:13] <Zealot87> Lynoure: the multidesktops are in my try but they show too mnay
[22:13] <Zealot87> in fact they show double what i have
[22:14] <MS-Suse> g2g591, i tried to install it a while ago, it didnt work out for me. so im just waiting for it to be included in a distro, thanks
[22:14] <thomas_> Hi, back again - I changed the settings
[22:14] <michael__> hey what is "remote share (unionfs)"
[22:14] <Lynoure> Zealot87: pager shows all that you have, even if you don't have anything on them...
[22:14] <g2g591> MS-Suse: some time during hardy development they will make an installable kde 4 version
[22:14] <michael__> what does that mean
[22:15] <Zealot87> Lynoure, i just configured it to have 4 desktops, the pager shows 8, it doesnt always switch correctly too, the highlighted one varies, and the four on the bottom that i dont want only sometimes work and they shouldnt even be there!
[22:15] <michael__> I get that will to access what I think is my hard drive VIA Live CD
[22:15] <g2g591> michael_:it means someone is shareing a folder using unionfs
[22:16] <g2g591> michael_:no its not your hard drive
[22:16] <Lynoure> Zealot87: and you are not using compiz?
[22:16] <michael__> oh
[22:16] <michael__> how do I get to the drive?
[22:16] <g2g591> michael_:double click on it?
[22:16] <thomas_> What I've done in shrt: installed Kontact, arranged my account and my identities, installed KGpg, tried to imort my existing keys from my backup
[22:16] <michael__> "access denied"
[22:16] <Lynoure> Zealot87: if you are not, you could try removing pager and adding it again.
[22:17] <michael__> I'm on a Live CD
[22:17] <michael__> and that union fs thing is the only drive I see
[22:17] <thomas_> It didn't work to import the keys !
[22:18] <Lynoure> thomas_: Usually there are quite tight permissions on your private key, check those first.
[22:18] <thomas_> becuae of the ~/.gnupg directory rights which are owned by root
[22:18] <g2g591> michael_:well if you go to system > qtparted, kde will want to mount your hard drive partations
[22:19] <Zealot87> Lynoure: it still shows four when i ask for two, and 8 when i ask for four
[22:19] <Zealot87> and the desktop cube with compiz only shows two sides :( and the 3rd and 4th side dont work when i ask for 2
[22:19] <michael__> you think I can save my hopfully not lost data?
[22:19] <Topsun> thomas_: chown -R username: ~/.gnupg
[22:19] <Lynoure> Zealot87: I asked about compiz because there are some known pager problems, and this could be one...
[22:20] <Topsun> thomas_: as root
[22:20] <Lynoure> Zealot87: I don't support compiz at the moment, so someone else could help you better
[22:20] <Zealot87> hahaha, well that would explain it
[22:21] <thomas_> I tried to imort as standrad user
[22:23] <michael__> crap
[22:23] <michael__> can anyone show me how to mount a hard drive using a Live CD?
[22:24] <Topsun> e.g. mount /dev/... /mnt
[22:24] <thomas_> Does anybody know whether whatright should be ther e (~/.gnupg) when creating this directory ?
[22:25] <the-erm> thomas_: that makes no sense ... try rephrasing your question? do you mean perms?
[22:25] <Lynoure> thomas_: I have full permissions for the owner, and nothing for anyone else
[22:25] <hyper_ch> hiho, how do I get KDE with hardy? I just installed it but only get kde 3.5.8
[22:25] <thomas_> Yes, perms !
[22:26] <the-erm> Then 700 like Lynoure said would be ok.
[22:26] <stdin> hyper_ch: hardy questions only in #ubuntu+1
[22:26] <hyper_ch> stdin: it's a "K" question and not a "Gnome" one
[22:26] <thomas_> Which permissions should be there originally for ~/.gnupg ) when creating this directory
[22:27] <stdin> hyper_ch: so? hardy isn'y released yet so there is no support for it in here, #ubuntu+1 is not DE dependant
[22:28] <stdin> thomas_: 700
[22:29] <Zealot87> what is the "super" key?
[22:29] <thomas_> 700, right, this is not handy jet for because I'm a TUX beginner
[22:30] <Zealot87> nvm
[22:30] <Lynoure> thomas_: chmod 700 ~/.gnupg
[22:30] <Topsun> thomas_: it's ok if you are the owner of that directory
[22:30] <stdin> 700 looks is read/write/execute for owner and nothing for all others,  drwx------
[22:31] <stdin> s/is/like/
[22:32] <Lynoure> thomas_: I hope it helped, I gotta sleep now.
[22:33] <beefjerky> dr_willis: you there?
[22:34] <beefjerky> maybe someone can help me... I've been having trouble with cd/dvd drive.  Upon booting in Recovery Mode, I see the message "/dev/hdc: mount: unable to mount, you must specify a filesystem type
[22:34] <beefjerky> I can't even boot from .iso!
[22:35] <stdin> what's the line for /dev/hdc say in /etc/fstab ?
[22:35] <Tilllinux> heya there. I want to know how to install a KDE theme for kde apps, but I'm not using Kubuntu, but Ubuntu.
[22:35] <thomas_> Thanks. I changed this to become the owner but this doesn't solve the problem because I can't change settings to this directory.
[22:35]  * Dr_willis wakes up
[22:36] <Dr_willis> beefjerky,  ivve never seen ubuntu boot from a .iso file.
[22:36] <michael__> mount /dev/hdb1/mnt    <----   Does that look right?  I tried hdb1 & hdb2 with no sucess
[22:36] <michael__> what am I doing wrong?
[22:36] <Dr_willis> michael__,  totally wrong...
[22:36] <Topsun> thomas_: use sudo
[22:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[22:36] <michael__> sweet
[22:36] <michael__> lol
[22:36] <stdin> michael__: and put a space before /mnt
[22:36] <Dr_willis> michael__,  sudo mount /dev/DEVICE /media/MOUNTPOINTTHAT_MUSTEXIST
[22:37] <michael__> this is off a live cd
[22:37] <Dr_willis> with whatever options are needed
[22:37] <Dr_willis> How to mount drives. A Linux Fundamental. :)
[22:37] <thomas_> I just tried again, KGpg does not allow me to specify ~/.gnupg for my settings as it was adjusted at the beginning
[22:37] <michael__> I have no idea what the address is for the one hard drive
[22:37] <Dr_willis> michael__,  use 'sudo fdisk -l' to see what disks/fileystems are there.
[22:38] <michael__> ok
[22:38] <beefjerky> dr_willis: i meant i can't boot from a linux live cd
[22:38] <weedar_> After opening my laptop-lid my mouse-pointer is invisible - any ideas what I can do?
[22:38] <Dr_willis> beefjerky,  check the cd? what files are on it? if you have a single .iso file - you burnt it wrong.
[22:39] <Dr_willis> beefjerky,  have you booted any other livd cd's or bootable cd's ? Your bios is set to boot from cd?
[22:39] <michael__> I just get the command prompt again
[22:39] <beefjerky> dr_willis: i'm using the same dvd i've used many times before, plus two Gutsy cds from Canonical
[22:39] <thomas_> OK, I will try to do it at the command line but this will take time tostudy the man pages first. Tschau and Thanks to everybody trying to help.
[22:39] <beefjerky> dr_willis: cd-rom is #1 in BIOS
[22:39] <Dr_willis> beefjerky,  so what does it actually do then? dont even try to boot? no grub? or boots and fails?
[22:40] <beefjerky> dr_willis: it detects there is a disc (black screen with a little blinking line for a while), then boots to grub
[22:40] <Tilllinux> How would you install kde themes (e.g. .kth) for use with kde applications under gnome
[22:40] <beefjerky> dr_willis: dmesg is giving me weird errors
[22:40] <Dr_willis> Tilllinux,  techinicially a kde 'theme' is just a file that defines what other 'parts' of the kde  decorations to use.
[22:41] <Dr_willis> ie: window decoration, widgets, colors, icons.
[22:41] <beefjerky> nosrednaekim was trying to help me last night, said there was a hardware/drivers issue... but the drive worked in Feisty
[22:41] <Dr_willis> You would need to also install the other parts of the theme.
[22:41] <phaedral__> any reason to prefer one flavor of ubuntu over any other if I'm installing to laptop?
[22:41] <Dr_willis> I wonder if installing any kde apps - would also install the kde conttrol center.
[22:41] <phaedral__> I've always been more a K guy than gnome...
[22:42] <Dr_willis> phaedral__,  if you have low specs.. You may want to use xubuntu.
[22:42] <beefjerky> Dr_willis: dmesg |tail output --> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49905/
[22:42] <phaedral__> no, specs are fine, even had gnome version running fine last week
[22:42] <beefjerky> dr_willis: tray is *not* open
[22:42] <Dr_willis> beefjerky,  goofy.. :) Not sure about that.
[22:43] <beefjerky> dr_willis: i can't mount manually, either - "mount: you must specify a filesystem type"
[22:43] <Dr_willis> beefjerky,  use -t iso9660 for that
[22:43] <beefjerky> dr_willis: ok, so what would the full command be (with disc in tray)?
[22:44] <Tilllinux> Dr_willis: I'm gonna install the kdm theme manager and look what happens ;)
[22:48] <thomas_> Hi - bacj again, Doe anybody knows where to adjust kmail looking for my KGpg keys created ?
[22:49] <Tilllinux> what's the command to start the kdm theme manager?
[22:49] <jpatrick> Tilllinux: /etc/init.d kdm start
[22:49] <beefjerky> tillinux: its in Kcontrol.  Alt+f2 > kcontrol
[22:49] <jpatrick> Tilllinux: ah sorry, misread
[22:50] <beefjerky> what's the proper mount point for a cd-rom?
[22:51] <phaedral__> dunno if any kubuntu devel are listening, but the documentation page is awol
[22:51] <jpatrick> phaedral__: awol?
[22:51] <phaedral__> I'm getting "Object not found" when browsing to http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php
[22:52] <jpatrick> phaedral__: Kmenu -> Help
[22:52] <beefjerky> try: http://www.kubuntu.org/doc/index.php
[22:52] <HS^> hello, my USB mouse (and media player) is only seen if i plug it in BEFORE i boot.
[22:52] <jpatrick> should be all there
[22:52] <HS^> what could be the problem?
[22:53] <phaedral__> sorry, connection dropped
[22:53] <phaedral__> "Object not found" is the error I get when trying to get to the doc page
[22:54] <jpatrick> phaedral__: the doc page is http://www.kubuntu.org/doc/index.php
[22:54] <phaedral__> then someone needs to update http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu
[22:54] <phaedral__> :)
[22:55]  * jpatrick updates
[22:56] <jpatrick> phaedral__: done
[22:57] <phaedral__> uh, I was using the "Documentation" tab up by the search box; that's where I got the "Object not found"
[22:57] <phaedral__> but, dang, talk about _service_
[22:57] <jpatrick> phaedral__: okay, I'll inform the webmaster and have that fixed asap
[22:58] <phaedral__> didn't think that was likely to be wiki-user accessible
[22:59] <savageone> does the iso for mythbuntu have the newest ubuntu?
[22:59] <savageone> or is it a previous release
[23:00] <savageone> wrong window sorry
[23:02] <Tilllinux> !theme
[23:02] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[23:02] <Tilllinux> !changethemes
[23:02] <ubotu> To change gnome themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu. Xubuntu users should /msg ubotu xfce-themes
[23:03] <jpatrick> phaedral__: webmaster informed
[23:03] <phaedral__> you rock
[23:03] <MaskOfSanity> hi
[23:04] <MaskOfSanity> how can i install a cpu usage view and an IP view on the desktop?
[23:04] <michael__>     #offtopic
[23:13] <lorddarkpat> Help, bang me
[23:14] <weedar_> The flash install-issue in the topic, is that for Kubuntu Gutsy, or..?
[23:15] <weedar_> lorddarkpat: I don't think irc is the best way to get laid
[23:15] <fdoving> all releases. as flash is the broken part, ie adobe.
[23:16] <weedar_> fdoving: thanks for clearing that up :)
[23:18] <padey> although you can just install firefox
[23:19] <fdoving> the installer doesn't work, still.
[23:19] <weedar_> I have flash working here, but I think I might have upgraded it from feisty. I'd like to do a reinstall, but not if flash doesn't work
[23:20] <padey> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[23:20] <fdoving> is flashplugin-nonfree upgraded with the new md5sums?
[23:21] <padey> no idea, but it works :P
[23:21] <padey> version 9.0.48
[23:22] <padey> can't get it to work with konqueror though :(
[23:24] <paperfunk> ello
[23:24] <paperfunk> how do you connect another computer through a crossover cable with kubuntu
[23:25] <paperfunk> i have my kubuntu box hooked up to the net and want to hook it to an xp box using crossover
[23:25] <paperfunk> i thought there were no configuration changes to be made to do that
[23:26] <paperfunk> in windows at least you don't
[23:26] <paperfunk> is this thing on?
[23:26] <paperfunk> heh
[23:26] <weedar_> paperfunk: You have to have a static IP-address if you use a crossover-cable
[23:27] <paperfunk> um, my internet'x ip is dynamic
[23:27] <paperfunk> and i know that the net address doesnt have to be static
[23:27] <paperfunk> because i've done this many times before, without problems until i got a linux box involved
[23:27] <weedar_> paperfunk: but all you're connecting is your linux and windows machine, right? None of them are connected to the Internet, or?
[23:27] <paperfunk> my linux is on the net
[23:28] <paperfunk> and i want to share its connection with my xp box
[23:28] <paperfunk> in windows you just click on the outside ethernet connection and allow other network computers to connect using the device
[23:28] <bascule> heh, different story in linux
[23:29] <weedar_> paperfunk: Ah, then I understand :)
[23:29] <jughead> hello; I just upgraded my laptop to kubuntu gutsy; is it very easy to ditch Dolphin or make konq the default file manager?  I prefer the detailed list view and every time I change the settings in DOlphin they don't stick, and there's no sort by fle type option.
[23:29] <weedar_> I setup something similar years ago, it wasn't much work, but you did have to know what to change/add
[23:30] <weedar_> paperfunk: I actually think I used this page. It's a bit dated but should work: http://users.telenet.be/mydotcom/howto/lanconnect/router/linux.htm
[23:33] <Dragnslcr> jughead- you can go to Settings -> Configure to set the default view mode
[23:37] <jughead> thanks Dragnslcr - any idea how to sort by file type?
[23:39] <Dragnslcr> Not offhand
[23:40] <BluesKaj> jughead, try this , open konqueror>settings>configure konqueror>File Associations>Inode>System Directory>Application Prefernce Order , move Konqueror to the top , click apply and ok
[23:40] <BluesKaj> jughead , if you need Dolphin , it's still in the kicker
[23:41] <magick211> Hello all
[23:41] <magick211> I have a problem maybe someone can help me with
[23:41] <the-erm> ok
[23:42] <BluesKaj> !ask | magick211
[23:42] <ubotu> magick211: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[23:43] <TimS> BluesKaj: When I install a second harddrive, should I have it set to automaticaly mount?
[23:43] <magick211> Ok here is the deal I was in the process of patching madwifi drivers and my battery died in the process, now when i try to patch i get a error, i deleted the source and patch and redownloaded it but im geting the same error now
[23:43] <TimS> I would be using it to hold all of my videos, music and pictures probably
[23:43] <the-erm> TimS: if you want to use it.
[23:44] <magick211> wtf half my message didnt go trough
[23:44] <TimS> Ok
[23:44] <the-erm> If it's a hard drive that is physically in your machine, mount it in fstab whenever you boot.
[23:44] <the-erm> If it's a usb drive, just let kde take care of it.
[23:45] <TimS> It will be in my machine
[23:45] <TimS> Will Kubuntu auto-detect it or do i need to set it up to detect it?
[23:45] <the-erm> I think you might have to edit your /etc/fstab
[23:45] <TimS> Okay
[23:45] <the-erm> It's been along time since I added a hard drive.
[23:45] <TimS>  Well, Ill find out later, thanks alot, bye all
[23:46] <the-erm> magick211: "some error" is pretty vague.
[23:46] <BluesKaj> TimS , it should show up the on the next boot-up
[23:48] <the-erm> The question is if it's not formatted where would it mount it in /media ??
[23:49] <the-erm> I set mine up to mount on /media/backup .. for obvious reasions.
[23:51] <VaLeNTiNO_TRoK_T> i have linux!!!!!!!!