[00:33] <LinAsH> bderrly : It works with this: export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=true
[00:36] <bderrly> LinAsH, thanks
[02:16] <khermans> are virtual terminals broken for anyone else since alpha2 ?
[02:16] <khermans> my thinkpad r52 didnt have issues in alpha21
[02:16] <khermans> alpha1
[02:16] <khermans> good to see xorg with fglrx is back working again
[02:16] <khermans> was b0rked after that update also
[02:18] <khermans> so if anyone else hasnt logged bug for broken virtual terminals, i will log it
[06:30] <abdulla> guys 1 question
[06:30] <abdulla> how good is hardy right now?
[06:44] <bazhang> still alpha2
[06:50] <WGGMk> who can I talk to about being "unbanned" from #ubuntu???
[06:50] <crdlb> WGGMk: #ubuntu-ops
[06:51] <WGGMk> crdlb: thank you very much
[08:24] <SeveredCross> Anyone else experienced almost constant Nautilus crashes?
[08:25] <Hobbsee> no
[08:25] <SeveredCross> Hmm. Might just be a peculiarity of my config then.
[08:25] <SeveredCross> May be TimeVault.
[16:01] <ader10> Hardy should have a graphical grub screen, as opposed to gutsy's current default white-and-black. The grub screen should look something like gutsy's current usplash, because at 60 hz with a crt, black backgrounds look ok but white looks ugly
[16:11] <bazhang> hmm
[16:11] <ader10> Or you guys could put some effort into the development of grub2
[16:12] <bazhang> I think #ubuntu-devel is the channel you want for that
[16:13] <Pici> ader10: Check the Hardy blueprints to see if anything you're requesting is already being worked on
[16:14] <ader10> Pici: ok
[16:14] <h3sp4wn> ader10: Its unlikely to be ubuntu who would do something like that
[16:15] <ader10> h3sp4wn: You sure? Ubuntu went for the eye candy in gutsy with compiz fusion
[16:15] <h3sp4wn> ader10: Sun might (as it currently has a boatload of patches that upstream grub will not accept as the original grub is legacy)
[16:16] <h3sp4wn> ader10: Yeah but they didn't write compiz fusion
[16:16] <ader10> They embraced it though
[16:16] <ader10> :P
[16:16] <ader10> what ever, as long as I have a free OS I'm alright :)
[16:16] <h3sp4wn> ader10: Thats different if someone else does the work required for grub2 to be an option they will embrace that
[16:17] <ader10> "someone else" = dev
[16:17] <h3sp4wn> ader10: Exactly - use what is best for you at any time
[16:17] <h3sp4wn> ader10: They don't work the same as most of the other big Linux companies
[16:18] <ader10> that's partly the reason of how successful it is
[16:18] <ader10> Novel... partnered... with...
[16:18] <ader10> Novell sucks, they basically made it legal for Microsoft to use open source code in windows
[16:18] <h3sp4wn> Yeah but they also wrote compiz
[16:19] <ader10> Yup
[16:19] <ader10> But they're falling for microsoft, Microsoft's "motto" is Extend, embrace, extinguish
[16:19] <ader10> it's worked so far for every company they work with
[16:20] <h3sp4wn> Sun is still around (and still has a good deal of cash)
[16:20] <ader10> I'm not aware of Sun doing much together with Microsoft
[16:21] <ader10> But then again I don't read digg :P
[16:21] <h3sp4wn> I don't read digg either (fortunately) computing equivalent of ok magazine
[16:33] <|bug``|> hi all ..
[16:35] <h3sp4wn> |bug``|: Hi
[18:44] <bmk789_> is there a good way to get a 2.6.24 kernel into gutsy?
[18:46] <WorkingOnWis1> bmk789_: I just saw a page on how to do this yesteday. but didnt pay much mind to it since I am in Hardy, but yes there is. google "hardy kernel gutsy and see what u get...
[18:46] <bmk789_> thanks
[18:47] <WorkingOnWis1> yw
[18:51] <DanaG> WTF?  I was just browsing through some pages, and xscreensaver locked TWICE.
[21:27] <awen_> how can you be sure that a variable is permanently exported? ... is it enough to put it in you .bashrc, will it then also apply to programs you run from the KDE-launcher etc.?
[21:31] <Dr_willis> normally you put that in the .bashrc or .bash_profile - correct..
[21:32] <Dr_willis> It will gety set when you login, and exported to all other running processes .
[21:33] <awen_> Dr_willis: thanks.. then i just have to do a restart or relogin some time :)
[21:34] <h3sp4wn> awen_: You can put it in /etc/environment if you want also
[21:35] <h3sp4wn> (If you want it for all users of the system)
[21:35] <awen_> okay :)
[21:36] <awen_> it's just for the "export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=true" to fix java... do we know what causes it?
[22:05] <h3sp4wn> awen_: Its to do with libxinerama
[22:06] <h3sp4wn> awen_: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6532373
[22:10] <awen_> so we suspect this to be a permanent problem for java 1.5 and 1.6 ... that's bad :/
[22:12] <h3sp4wn> awen_: Which app in particular is giving you the issues ?
[22:12] <h3sp4wn> If its one with its own bundled java (like Matlab) you can make it use the system java
[22:13] <awen_> h3sp4wn: a java-applet in firefox... i suppose this uses system java
[22:13] <awen_> but it should work with system java?
[22:14] <h3sp4wn> awen_: update-alternatives --list java
[22:16] <awen_> h3sp4wn: it points to java-6-sun
[22:20] <awen_> hmm... doesn't make any difference if java-1-5-0-sun or java-6-sun is chosen
[22:22] <crdlb> it's supposed to be fixed in the latest version of java
[22:22] <crdlb> (hardy is the first version of ubuntu to use xlib-xcb)
[22:23] <dennda> hey there
[22:24] <dennda> the latest x.org (7.3) in hardy also has better hotplug-support for external displays / beamers, hasn't it? (don't be afraid, I know that it is alpha and what that means)
[22:24] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: Really ? I thought it was just hacked around in gutsy
[22:24] <awen_> crdlb: only in java7 as far as i could read
[22:24] <crdlb> the problem didn't exist in gutsy
[22:24] <crdlb> because gutsy didn't use xlib-xcb
[22:24] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: It existed during the development of gutsy
[22:25] <h3sp4wn> This has been going on since at least feisty
[22:25] <crdlb> that's something else unrelated then
[22:25] <crdlb> this specific problem is new to hardy
[22:27] <h3sp4wn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/87390
[22:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87390 in libxcb "c->xlib.lock" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:27] <h3sp4wn> Its the exact same thing
[22:27] <awen_> night people... and thanks for info
[22:28] <bardyr> morning people
[22:28] <crdlb> those bug reports are not coming from stock systems
[22:28] <hyper_ch> hiho, how can I get KDE4 on hardy? I thought that would be installed by default
[22:29] <bardyr> hydrogen, sudo apt-get install kde4 ?
[22:29] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: Actually looking more closely they used libxcb for feisty then reverted for gutsy
[22:29] <hyper_ch> bardyr: ok ;)
[22:29] <h3sp4wn> But either way the problem has existed for ages and I have been affected by it for almost as long
[22:29] <hyper_ch> bardyr: btw, I just went to the restricted driver manager, it said a python lib is required. Is there a reason that one is not installed by default?
[22:30] <bardyr> hyper_ch, its and early alpha release?
[22:30] <bardyr> idk
[22:30] <bardyr> hydrogen, kubuntu?
[22:31] <hyper_ch> bardyr: I know :) but it tells you once you go to the system settings... so I was just curious
[22:31] <bardyr> hyper_ch, it should be installed by default and probably going to
[22:32] <crdlb> h3sp4wn: there are many problems with the same symptoms :)
[22:32] <h3sp4wn> crdlb: That is the exact same problem
[22:33] <crdlb> hardy is the first ubuntu release to compile libX11 against libxcb
[22:33] <h3sp4wn> Feisty did
[22:35] <hyper_ch> well, I installed now kde4 but how do I run it?
[22:36] <bardyr> hyper_ch, logout and there will be and option under session when you login
[22:36] <bardyr> i think
[22:36] <hyper_ch> bardyr: nothing there :(
[22:36] <hyper_ch> bardyr: I did install kde4 with aptitude... but that fetched only very little
[22:37] <pvandewyngaerde> i installed from svn, and i update daily
[22:38] <bardyr> pvandewyngaerde, i dont know if i should use kde4 or wait to kde 4.1
[22:40] <pvandewyngaerde> depends, if you want stable/polished stay with 3.5
[22:40] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: try - dpkg -S startkde
[23:20] <DanaG> WARNING **: Given device '/dev/mmcblk0p1' is not a volume or a drive.
[23:20] <DanaG> WTF?