[00:33] bderrly : It works with this: export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=true [00:36] LinAsH, thanks === ktogias_ is now known as ktogias [02:16] are virtual terminals broken for anyone else since alpha2 ? [02:16] my thinkpad r52 didnt have issues in alpha21 [02:16] alpha1 [02:16] good to see xorg with fglrx is back working again [02:16] was b0rked after that update also [02:18] so if anyone else hasnt logged bug for broken virtual terminals, i will log it === arooni________ is now known as arooni === bigon is now known as bigon` === Delvien_ is now known as Delvien [06:30] guys 1 question [06:30] how good is hardy right now? [06:44] still alpha2 [06:50] who can I talk to about being "unbanned" from #ubuntu??? [06:50] WGGMk: #ubuntu-ops [06:51] crdlb: thank you very much === Tomcat_` is now known as Tomcat_ === bojan is now known as SeveredCross [08:24] Anyone else experienced almost constant Nautilus crashes? [08:25] no [08:25] Hmm. Might just be a peculiarity of my config then. [08:25] May be TimeVault. === Wander_w is now known as Wander_afk === Wander_afk is now known as Wander_w === bigon` is now known as bigon === chand is now known as chand[aw] === Martinp24 is now known as Martinp23 [16:01] Hardy should have a graphical grub screen, as opposed to gutsy's current default white-and-black. The grub screen should look something like gutsy's current usplash, because at 60 hz with a crt, black backgrounds look ok but white looks ugly [16:11] hmm [16:11] Or you guys could put some effort into the development of grub2 [16:12] I think #ubuntu-devel is the channel you want for that [16:13] ader10: Check the Hardy blueprints to see if anything you're requesting is already being worked on [16:14] Pici: ok [16:14] ader10: Its unlikely to be ubuntu who would do something like that [16:15] h3sp4wn: You sure? Ubuntu went for the eye candy in gutsy with compiz fusion [16:15] ader10: Sun might (as it currently has a boatload of patches that upstream grub will not accept as the original grub is legacy) [16:16] ader10: Yeah but they didn't write compiz fusion [16:16] They embraced it though [16:16] :P [16:16] what ever, as long as I have a free OS I'm alright :) [16:16] ader10: Thats different if someone else does the work required for grub2 to be an option they will embrace that [16:17] "someone else" = dev [16:17] ader10: Exactly - use what is best for you at any time [16:17] ader10: They don't work the same as most of the other big Linux companies [16:18] that's partly the reason of how successful it is [16:18] Novel... partnered... with... [16:18] Novell sucks, they basically made it legal for Microsoft to use open source code in windows [16:18] Yeah but they also wrote compiz [16:19] Yup [16:19] But they're falling for microsoft, Microsoft's "motto" is Extend, embrace, extinguish [16:19] it's worked so far for every company they work with [16:20] Sun is still around (and still has a good deal of cash) [16:20] I'm not aware of Sun doing much together with Microsoft [16:21] But then again I don't read digg :P [16:21] I don't read digg either (fortunately) computing equivalent of ok magazine [16:33] <|bug``|> hi all .. [16:35] |bug``|: Hi === roe is now known as roe_ [18:44] is there a good way to get a 2.6.24 kernel into gutsy? [18:46] bmk789_: I just saw a page on how to do this yesteday. but didnt pay much mind to it since I am in Hardy, but yes there is. google "hardy kernel gutsy and see what u get... [18:46] thanks [18:47] yw [18:51] WTF? I was just browsing through some pages, and xscreensaver locked TWICE. === effie_jayx is now known as keffie_jayx === keffie_jayx is now known as help === help is now known as keffie_jayx [21:27] how can you be sure that a variable is permanently exported? ... is it enough to put it in you .bashrc, will it then also apply to programs you run from the KDE-launcher etc.? [21:31] normally you put that in the .bashrc or .bash_profile - correct.. [21:32] It will gety set when you login, and exported to all other running processes . [21:33] Dr_willis: thanks.. then i just have to do a restart or relogin some time :) [21:34] awen_: You can put it in /etc/environment if you want also [21:35] (If you want it for all users of the system) [21:35] okay :) [21:36] it's just for the "export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=true" to fix java... do we know what causes it? [22:05] awen_: Its to do with libxinerama [22:06] awen_: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6532373 [22:10] so we suspect this to be a permanent problem for java 1.5 and 1.6 ... that's bad :/ [22:12] awen_: Which app in particular is giving you the issues ? [22:12] If its one with its own bundled java (like Matlab) you can make it use the system java [22:13] h3sp4wn: a java-applet in firefox... i suppose this uses system java [22:13] but it should work with system java? [22:14] awen_: update-alternatives --list java [22:16] h3sp4wn: it points to java-6-sun [22:20] hmm... doesn't make any difference if java-1-5-0-sun or java-6-sun is chosen [22:22] it's supposed to be fixed in the latest version of java [22:22] (hardy is the first version of ubuntu to use xlib-xcb) [22:23] hey there [22:24] the latest x.org (7.3) in hardy also has better hotplug-support for external displays / beamers, hasn't it? (don't be afraid, I know that it is alpha and what that means) [22:24] crdlb: Really ? I thought it was just hacked around in gutsy [22:24] crdlb: only in java7 as far as i could read [22:24] the problem didn't exist in gutsy [22:24] because gutsy didn't use xlib-xcb [22:24] crdlb: It existed during the development of gutsy [22:25] This has been going on since at least feisty [22:25] that's something else unrelated then [22:25] this specific problem is new to hardy [22:27] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/87390 [22:27] Launchpad bug 87390 in libxcb "c->xlib.lock" [Undecided,Confirmed] [22:27] Its the exact same thing [22:27] night people... and thanks for info [22:28] morning people [22:28] those bug reports are not coming from stock systems [22:28] hiho, how can I get KDE4 on hardy? I thought that would be installed by default [22:29] hydrogen, sudo apt-get install kde4 ? [22:29] crdlb: Actually looking more closely they used libxcb for feisty then reverted for gutsy [22:29] bardyr: ok ;) [22:29] But either way the problem has existed for ages and I have been affected by it for almost as long [22:29] bardyr: btw, I just went to the restricted driver manager, it said a python lib is required. Is there a reason that one is not installed by default? [22:30] hyper_ch, its and early alpha release? [22:30] idk [22:30] hydrogen, kubuntu? === dmb_ is now known as dmb [22:31] bardyr: I know :) but it tells you once you go to the system settings... so I was just curious [22:31] hyper_ch, it should be installed by default and probably going to [22:32] h3sp4wn: there are many problems with the same symptoms :) [22:32] crdlb: That is the exact same problem [22:33] hardy is the first ubuntu release to compile libX11 against libxcb [22:33] Feisty did === hyper is now known as hyper_ch [22:35] well, I installed now kde4 but how do I run it? [22:36] hyper_ch, logout and there will be and option under session when you login [22:36] i think [22:36] bardyr: nothing there :( [22:36] bardyr: I did install kde4 with aptitude... but that fetched only very little [22:37] i installed from svn, and i update daily [22:38] pvandewyngaerde, i dont know if i should use kde4 or wait to kde 4.1 [22:40] depends, if you want stable/polished stay with 3.5 [22:40] hyper_ch: try - dpkg -S startkde [23:20] WARNING **: Given device '/dev/mmcblk0p1' is not a volume or a drive. [23:20] WTF?