[18:45] <troy_s> _MMA_: http://www.modernlifeisrubbish.co.uk/
[18:45] <troy_s> The trends from 2006 are funny too.
[18:46]  * _MMA_ looks.
[18:47] <troy_s> _MMA_: http://www.modernlifeisrubbish.co.uk/article/8-web-cliches-of-2006
[18:48] <troy_s> Sadly, the trends of 2006 are still a mainstay in most of those damn mocks.
[18:48] <troy_s> "#6 Wet Floor Effect"
[18:48] <troy_s> lol
[19:00] <thorwil> dang! ubuntu should so have a mascot!!
[19:21] <troy_s> LOL
[19:21] <troy_s> thorwil: Rather interesting though.
[19:23] <thorwil> troy_s: we could depict it standing on a wet floor with a nice gradient in the background. it should have a weird name
[19:24] <troy_s> lol
[19:24] <troy_s> lol
[19:24] <troy_s> thorwil: Wait, we already have much of that.
[19:24]  * thorwil thinks platypus
[19:27] <troy_s> thorwil: http://www.stepinsidedesign.com/STEPMagazine/Article/28586
[19:27] <troy_s> thorwil: and 2007 - http://www.stepinsidedesign.com/STEPMagazine/Article/28730
[19:27] <troy_s> some rather amazing works in the 2k7 summary
[19:30]  * thorwil looks at pictures and can't be bothered to read
[19:31] <troy_s> amazing palette on the
[19:31] <troy_s> 2nd page of 2007 -- the 'styling' category.
[19:31] <troy_s> retro palette
[19:32] <troy_s> orange and blue.
[19:32] <thorwil> troy_s: the wine bottle makes me think that area has something we might want
[19:32] <troy_s> thorwil: From 2k6?
[19:32] <troy_s> thorwil: That one?
[19:33] <thorwil> http://assets.stepinsidedesign.com/stepicons/14278.jpg
[19:33] <troy_s> thorwil: There are three pages to the 2k6 summary -- scroll down too.
[19:33] <troy_s> thorwil: Yes... that 2d flat illustration look
[19:33] <troy_s> thorwil: has been around in various 'flavors' for a couple of years now.
[19:33] <troy_s> thorwil: Not limited to variations into DIY / Grunge / etc.
[19:34] <troy_s> thorwil: There was a reference I sourced out for u2 a while ago... let me see if I can find it.
[19:34] <thorwil> troy_s: not just that. rather the grown quality aspect
[19:34] <troy_s> thorwil: It completely successfully embraced an earthy palette, 2d illustration, and a victorian elegance.
[19:35] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubun2design/u2Reference/u2OfficialDesignGuidelines
[19:35] <troy_s> scroll down to darling room
[19:35] <troy_s> I'll try to find the real link
[19:35] <thorwil> troy_s: i only recently stumbled over u2 in launchpad. what happened?
[19:36] <troy_s> thorwil: Well I work in a demanding career and I ended up getting rolled into a few projects that demanded my attention -- namely Fluxbuntu and then Mythbuntu (which more or less rolled away)
[19:36] <troy_s> thorwil: I'll probably hit away at it again sooner rather than later.
[19:37] <thorwil> troy_s: so you're the one and only driving force, despite a list of members?
[19:38] <troy_s> thorwil: Actually, much of my output early going was steered along with a collaboration with a few other folks with design degrees.
[19:38] <troy_s> thorwil: The reality is that in general, people of the sort I was hoping to attract are deadly busy.
[19:38] <troy_s> thorwil: As I have been of late.
[19:38] <troy_s> thorwil: (As an aside, that hammerpress design site has some amazing work (the site that the darling room was sourced from)
[19:52] <thorwil> troy_s: i wonder if a project at some design academy could be initiated to get students to work on theming :)
[19:52] <troy_s> thorwil: The idea has been brought up before.  I think it is a wonderful idea, that said,
[19:52] <troy_s> thorwil: It is problematic if the actual fundamental 'show stopper' issues can't be addressed.
[19:52] <thorwil> yeah
[19:53] <troy_s> thorwil: Being the nature of figuring out where to take a design.  What audience, what communication goal / concept that works towards getting that audience emotionally attached to the 'product', and what pattern to follow with regards to the execution of that.
[19:54] <troy_s> thorwil: I think the idea in and of itself is brilliant.
[19:55] <troy_s> thorwil: You immediately get access to people who are 1) Knowledgeable 2) Interested 3) Guided by knowledgeable folks 4) Plentiful (given say, a standard lecture styled class size)
[19:55] <thorwil> exactly
[19:56] <thorwil> troy_s: but i don't have the connections, and if i had, i wouldn't feel well until the things you mentioned are cleared up
[19:56] <thorwil> so we stay where we are
[19:56] <troy_s> thorwil: Exactly!
[19:57] <troy_s> thorwil: I could probably wrangle up a few 'high ups' at a few art schools / universities, but that again requires that those issues were 'set'.
[19:57] <troy_s> thorwil: I don't know the interest factor.  I would suspect there might be some very deep interest from say, an particular core course.
[19:58] <thorwil> could be a great project regarding branding, even corporate identity
[19:59] <troy_s> thorwil: Well I personally would like to see where someone would take it given that sort of group scenario.
[20:00] <troy_s> thorwil: It would make for at least a finished implementation -- of course it would also require some capable folks to be a liaison between the 'tech' and the 'ideas'.
[20:00] <troy_s> thorwil: Given a free discussion of constraints versus desire, I don't see why it couldn't work.
[20:00] <thorwil> ack
[20:00] <troy_s> ack?
[20:01] <thorwil> acknowledged :)
[20:01] <troy_s> ah lol.  not hip enough.  sorry.
[20:02] <thorwil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACK
[20:02] <troy_s> Weird -- I keep clicking the 'get mail' button to look for julien's daily update.
[20:02] <troy_s> It's not there.
[20:03] <thorwil> never noticed a pattern
[20:03] <troy_s> lol
[20:04] <thorwil> a strong believe in democracy, collaboration and equal participation is ... cute
[20:05] <troy_s> thorwil: Sad.
[20:05] <troy_s> thorwil: It is exactly more or less where we end up now.
[20:06] <troy_s> thorwil: File a bug against a given thing and push everything towards a middle grey sh*teness.
[20:06] <troy_s> I rather gave up when I read the post that said something about funding.
[20:06] <thorwil> troy_s: say, how many on the current active list members were around when that much blogged artwork rollback happened?
[20:07] <troy_s> Good design / art / presentation has _nothing_ to do with money thrown at a project.
[20:07] <troy_s> If it did, Microsoft's would be stunning for Vista.  It certainly isn't (in various capacities).
[20:07] <thorwil> nah, don't go black and white
[20:07] <troy_s> thorwil: Can't say.
[20:07] <troy_s> thorwil: I don't think there is a way to compare active list members to other elements.
[20:08] <troy_s> thorwil: I know a few are still reading the list (as I chat with some)
[20:08] <troy_s> thorwil: There are about 5-10 who are greatly enjoying the irony of the situation.
[20:08] <thorwil> heh
[20:09] <thorwil> the list must be good for something, and if it is entertainment
[20:10] <troy_s> thorwil: Well it is also a good barometer of numbers - as well as Launchpad's team membership.
[21:40] <BHSPitLappy> it... measures... pressure?
[22:01] <troy_s> BHSPitLappy: A barometer of 'interest' you fecker.
[22:01] <BHSPitLappy> don't you mean a meter of interest
[22:02] <BHSPitLappy> you can't say like, "a thermometer of speed" or something
[22:02] <BHSPitLappy> measure of interest
[22:42] <troy_s> BHSPitLappy: It is used quite often outside of that specific realm.  "performance often is used as a barometer for global economic health" "... as a barometer of global health because Australia's exports are seen as ..."
[22:42] <troy_s> BHSPitLappy: (Taken from a quick google)
[22:48] <BHSPitLappy> troy_s, they're talking about the pressure imposed by global health :P
[22:55] <troy_s> lol