[00:00] <LjL> Rufus_: let me check
[00:00] <LjL> Rufus_: yes, it seems fixed
[00:02] <LjL> PriceChild: pity, the nickname kernelpanic is already registered
[00:04] <Rufus_> thank you ljl
[00:06] <PriceChild> haha
[00:06] <PriceChild> nope, laptop decided to turn off wireless to save power when i closed the lid and didn't touch it for half an hour
[00:32] <PriceChild> The bots did well there, guess that was a death?
[00:33] <PriceChild> oh i guess the first lot must have been flooded off or something
[00:35] <LjL> eh?
[00:35] <LjL> oh, attack
[00:35] <LjL> was smoking
[00:36] <LjL> ah split
[00:38] <LjL> PriceChild: it's reassuring that this time too, -J was set well before the actual split
[00:38] <LjL> (at last on my side of the split)
[00:38] <PriceChild> :)
[00:39] <PriceChild> LjL, howcome they aren't reporting in -monitor?
[00:39] <LjL> PriceChild, bot2 doesn't report on splits, and the other two were on the other side of the split. also, they only report when chanserv isn't pingable... when other bots are not pingable, they don't say anything
[00:40] <PriceChild> right ok thanks
[00:40] <LjL> rationale being that if chanserv isn't replying, then a human op may want to get +o just to be sure
[00:40] <LjL> if bots aren't replying, it might just be they're lagged
[00:41] <LjL> and if you see them setting -J in #ubuntu, it means a bot isn't replying to ping anyway
[00:43] <Gary> nice nick - BloodyScum (n=BloodySc@c-76-114-114-239.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:44] <PriceChild> jdong, would have a field day with that
[01:22] <PriceChild> tm has a wierd cloak with slashes then dots
[01:27] <PriceChild> then a slash
[01:28] <LjL> PriceChild, that's nal's two personalities fighting on what a cloak should look like
[01:29] <Gary> I could sort it out if you like :p
[01:30] <PriceChild> Gary, you're at that level already?!
[01:31] <PriceChild> Who're you paying and how much? :P
[01:31] <Gary> lol
[01:33] <LjL> it's not cash is it?
[01:34] <Gary> I've not bribed anyone okay
[01:34] <PriceChild> well it depends on our definition of bribe
[01:35] <LjL> indeed
[01:35] <Gary> there were no bribes
[01:35] <LjL> you just go on denying it
[01:35] <Gary> meh
[01:35] <nalioth> the cloak works fine
[01:36] <LjL> nalioth, for goodness sake, i didn't even highlight you
[01:36] <Gary> lol
[02:06] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-server, Kamping_Kaiser said: ubotu, ebox is something you should know about. perhaps an -op will tell you (Ping ops :P)
[02:06] <ubotu> In ubotu, MenZa said: !drink is <reply> Remember kids; don't drink and IRC!
[02:06] <MenZa> We need that factoid :(
[02:07] <LjL> !lazy is <reply> But perhaps operators are lazy, and would rather wait for you to submit a good factoid entry instead...
[02:07] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[02:07] <LjL> !lazy > kamping_kaiser    (kamping_kaiser, see the private message from Ubotu)
[02:07] <MenZa> LjL: hahaha
[02:07] <LjL> !drink-#ubuntu-offtopic is <reply> Remember kids; don't drink and IRC!
[02:07] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[02:07] <MenZa> LjL: good one.
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> LjL, i dont know enough about ebox
[02:08] <LjL> *grin*
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> btw, i got a message from 'ubotwo' - <Ubotwo> Factoid lazy not found
[02:08] <LjL> yeah sorry, ubotwo is stationing here too
[02:09]  * Kamping_Kaiser pokes Ubotwo dont stalk me :|
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> so yeah, i wont submit a good one ;)
[02:10] <LjL>  eBox is a framework for the development and deployment of security-wise network services in small and medium-sized networks, offering a simplified graphical interface to non expert users.
[02:10] <LjL> that's *so* clear and informative
[02:10] <LjL> not
[02:10] <LjL> i mean, i still don't have a clue what the heck it is
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. is it intended as a webmin replacement?
[02:10] <PriceChild> i think its an alternative isn't it?
[02:11] <LjL> oh, well that's something at least
[02:11] <LjL> !webmin
[02:11] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> webmin isnt in debian/ubuntu anymore, ebox is just coming in.
[02:11] <LjL> !no webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system - Consider "ebox" instead
[02:11] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[02:11] <PriceChild> i'm wrong then :)
[02:11] <LjL> !info ebox
[02:11] <ubotu> ebox: eBox - Base framework. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.3-0ubuntu9 (gutsy), package size 127 kB, installed size 1220 kB
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyhow, thought i'd drop by about that factoid. catch you next time ;)
[02:17] <tonyyarusso> I still don't understand what ebox is
[02:20] <LjL> tonyyarusso: a development for the security of deployment of framework-wise small services, duh! it's that easy
[02:25] <tonyyarusso> ...
[02:33] <ardchoille> Seveas: When you have a chance, I'd like to get access to bantracker please :)
[03:32] <crdlb> watch out for Romney_08 [i=Romney_0@166.165.140.116]
[03:32] <crdlb> political spammer
[03:37] <ardchoille> Thanks for the head up
[03:37] <nalioth> klined
[03:37] <nalioth> y'all lmk
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> ty
[03:37] <ardchoille> nalioth: Thank you :)
[03:38] <nalioth> it is a proxy-hopping troll, so he'll be back within minutes
[03:43] <ardchoille> nalioth: i=Romney_0@75.116.45.99
[03:45] <nalioth> ardchoille: he's where he belongs
[03:46] <ardchoille> I see that :)
[03:46] <nalioth> if you see him outside the asylum, spamming, please lmk
[03:46] <ardchoille> Will do
[03:57] <ardchoille> Hmm.. he's back and I remember that IP from somewhere.
[03:57] <ardchoille> Yurivilca perhaps?
[03:59] <crdlb> I think they just have the same ISP
[03:59] <ardchoille> Ah
[04:01] <ardchoille> Wow, this guy is persistent
[04:01] <nalioth> i know
[04:01] <ardchoille> So is nalioth it seems :)
[04:02] <tonyyarusso> Where's my ompaul when I need codec advice...grr...
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> or nixternal - if you're around you'd probably be helpful too
[04:03] <nixternal> ey?
[04:03] <ardchoille> nalioth: I'm glad you're here and doing what you do.
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: See #ubuntu-offtopic starting at 21:48 please.
[04:04]  * MenZa eyes tonyyarusso
[04:04] <nixternal> I will have to wait for the irc logs on ubuntu-offtopic...I don't idle in there
[04:04] <nalioth> guys, here is nickrud for whatever y'all wanted to tell him
[04:05] <nickrud> so, nalioth has dragged me in here ...
[04:05] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: Oh, sorry.  I'll recap then.
[04:06] <nalioth> !supportroot
[04:06] <ubotu> We don't support a root password so don't suggest one unless you are going to be here 24/7 to help someone who has problems as a result of having one, many thanks ;-)
[04:06] <tonyyarusso> I'm going to be publishing a video on my church's web site.  I'm going to recommend Ogg Theora for the format, of course.  However, since while free, most people don't have decoders for it, I'm guessing it would probably be wise to offer a second, less free but more common, format, with appropriate warnings, etc.
[04:06] <nalioth> nickrud: that is what they wanted you to see ^^^^
[04:06] <tonyyarusso> My question is, of the non-free video formats, which is the closest to being free (ie, least completely disgusting) while still coming pre-installed on Windows?
[04:06] <nickrud> nalioth, ah, ompaul showed me that already
[04:07] <nalioth> nickrud: oh, ok.
[04:07] <nickrud> :)
[04:07] <nixternal> tonyyarusso: that I have no clue about...I haven't installed a codec on windows since...never :)
[04:08] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, you did hear they've taken ogg from the html spec, right?
[04:08] <elkbuntu> s/they've taken/they're likely taking
[04:08] <nixternal> elkbuntu: you mean Google has taken ogg from the html spec
[04:08] <nixternal> can't believe they listened to a bogus letter from nokia of all things
[04:08] <elkbuntu> nixternal, i thought it was the w3c
[04:08] <nixternal> read the spec and see who it is signed by
[04:09] <nixternal> you won't see w3c in it, but you will see Google signatures left and right
[04:09] <elkbuntu> nixternal, i havent exactly had time to read up properly on it, just seen all the moaning around irc
[04:09] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Yeah - stupid corporations
[04:09] <MenZa> I suggest we watch...
[04:09]  * MenZa checks.
[04:09] <nixternal> Google is nothing more than Microsoft in Open Source clothing
[04:09] <MenZa> Xplicit.
[04:10] <MenZa> In #-ot
[04:14] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (Mitt4Prez)
[04:57] <murlidhar> it's been a long time since i visited ubuntu channel and now when i try to join i am being banned. this is my favorite channel . i did not do any wrong. help me
[05:02] <murlidhar> any reason for being banned
[05:03]  * sysdef pings nalioth
[05:04] <nalioth> sysdef: yes?
[05:05] <sysdef> just because murlidhar
[05:06] <sysdef> he looked so sad
[05:06] <nalioth> sysdef: you can help him
[05:06] <sysdef> me?
[05:06] <sysdef> how?
[05:06] <nalioth> you can look at the banlist just like any of us
[05:07] <sysdef> heh, that's a good start. well
[05:51] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (GoMittGo)
[05:51] <MenZa> Sheesh
[05:51] <MenZa> That guy keeps coming back.
[05:51] <nalioth> ya'll let me kline that fool, please
[05:51] <nalioth> just /quiet him, please
[05:51] <MenZa> good good
[05:51] <nalioth> he's at 32 and counting for the evening
[05:51] <MenZa> nalioth: 75.116.3.165
[05:51]  * MenZa yawns
[05:51] <MenZa> Jesus Christ, that guy just won't stay away
[05:52] <MenZa> He's been in #irssi, too, I can see
[05:52] <MenZa> and a ton of other channels, I suspect
[05:52] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: would it be sensible to put blanket quiets on *mitt* and *romney* nicks in the major channels for a bit?
[05:52] <nalioth> romney, yes
[05:52] <MenZa> not a bad idea, if you ask me. Question is, if he won't just pick a nick lick "m1tt" or "r0mney"
[05:52] <nalioth> mitt* maybe
[05:52] <MenZa> hmm
[05:52] <nalioth> he has shown he'll change his nick
[05:53] <MenZa> yeh
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> Don't suppose you have a handy little list of the ones he's used so far eh?
[05:53] <nalioth> sure
[05:54] <MenZa> GoRomneyGo, Mitt4Prez are the ones I can recall
[05:54] <MenZa> ottomh
[05:54] <MenZa> Anyway; must dash.
[05:54] <MenZa> Bed calls.
[05:54] <nalioth> gomittgo mitt4prez romney_08
[05:54] <MenZa> Fri Dec 28 06:54:27 CET 2007
[05:54] <Amaranth> I just did *Mitt*!*@75.116.*
[05:54] <nalioth> and 'republican'
[05:54] <elkbuntu> gomittgo too
[05:54] <MenZa> Night, enjoy the opering.
[05:54] <tonyyarusso> are all of his proxies 75.116.?
[05:55] <MenZa> no
[05:55] <MenZa> [2007-28-12 05:30:50 CET]  -!- MittRomney [i=MittRomn@166.165.130.255] has quit [K-lined]
[05:55] <Amaranth> Those are the only two I've seen in #ubuntu
[05:55] <Amaranth> err, that's the only one i mean
[05:55] <Amaranth> two different IPs, both started with 75.116
[05:55] <Amaranth> Anyway, it's better than nothing
[05:55] <MenZa> The above is from #ubuntu
[05:56] <MenZa> Yep
[05:56] <MenZa> Anyway, I was heading for bed, wasn't I?
[05:56] <MenZa> :)
[05:56] <Amaranth> He'll eventually have to either go completely weird with the nicks and IPs or give up
[05:56] <elkbuntu> at worst, it weeds out the predictable stuff and gives us more stuff to pattern match
[05:57] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: unfortunatly he's using different IPs (otw, i'd have already issued a blanket kline)
[05:57] <nalioth> he's using more than 6
[05:57] <nalioth> or 'he's used more than 6 so far'
[05:58] <nalioth> this is a professional troll
[05:58] <tonyyarusso> sigh
[06:04] <elkbuntu> nalioth, get your dcc ban script out and make it trigger on 'mitt' and 'romney' instead ;)
[06:05] <nalioth> elkbuntu: i wish
[06:11] <nalioth> now romney4prez
[06:11] <nalioth> oh crap, now he's cloning
[06:21] <nalioth> mittromney08 now
[06:21] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: you keeping track?
[06:23] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: so far, yes, but on my way to bed
[06:23] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: you can't sleep
[06:24] <nalioth> you have to help me stay awake
[06:24] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: oh dear...
[06:25] <tonyyarusso> My hilights should at least notify me of any nicks he uses in the half-dozen channels I'm joined to tonight
[06:27] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: just go read lots of really dumb things on bash.org, and go through the entire archives of xkcd and userfriendly
[06:27] <nalioth> but then i wouldn't be watching the network  :(
[06:28] <robotgeek> i like new xkcd :)
[06:29] <tonyyarusso> Then find some channel that actually interests you to check every 30 seconds to stay awake?
[06:29]  * nalioth klines tonyyarusso 
[06:29] <tonyyarusso> o noes!
[06:31] <ubotu> bruenig called the ops in #ubuntu (GOP_Primaries)
[06:31] <nalioth> now GOP_Primaries
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> grrr
[06:35] <elkbuntu> that one is way off the trend
[06:36] <ardchoille> nalioth: Any way I can help out?
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Same name though (GoMittGo)
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: Do you know if the spammer has been hitting any of the following so far?: #ubuntu+1, #xubuntu, #ubuntu-classroom
[06:38] <elkbuntu> hasnt hit +1 according to my scrollback
[06:39] <tonyyarusso> good
[06:39] <nalioth> not yet.  professional trolls only hit high capacity channels
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> mornin' Hobbsee
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> (I think?)
[06:40] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, 5:40pm
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> oh bah
[06:41]  * tonyyarusso 's timezone-fu is clearly failing today
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: what zone is that over there anyway?
[06:42] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, +10
[06:42] <elkbuntu> or actually +11 during daylight savings
[06:42] <elkbuntu> o.O
[06:42] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: So lessee...that puts you -8 from me, but on the next day?
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> but that would be 4:40, not 5:40
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: another IP for you if you looked away ^^
[06:43] <Hobbsee> heya tonyyarusso
[06:44] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, the us/ca are between 16 and 20 hours behind us
[06:44] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: thanks
[06:46] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: I'm UTC-6, so if I'm an even offset, and you're an even offset, and there are an even number of hours in the day, and the current hour here is even, then your hour should be even, no?
[06:47] <elkbuntu> eh?
[06:47]  * tonyyarusso is still confused by the 5:40.  It's 00:47 here now.
[06:49] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, just use timeanddate.com
[06:49] <Hobbsee> or @now sydney
[06:51] <WGGMk> To whom should I direct a request to be 'unbanned' from #ubuntu???
[06:51] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[06:53] <Hobbsee> WGGMk: please define valid topics of #ubuntu
[06:54] <WGGMk> Hobbsee: not sure I follow, you want examples of valid topics?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> WGGMk: yes
[06:54] <WGGMk> Hobbsee: anything generally related to help of ubuntu and sometimes on a stretch other debian related arch???
[06:55] <Hobbsee> WGGMk: so, how does what you pasted in there yesterday relate to that?
[06:56] <WGGMk> Hobbsee: it doesnt, however untill this morning my kid was using my laptop to get on the net. She pasted some link for mini cities I believe, today I cant login to #ubuntu
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> And so concludes another lesson in user accounts and computer security :)
[06:58] <WGGMk> Hobbsee: normally she uses her MAC but I was rearranging my network physically and the only thing with net access now is my server and the laptop from my wireless AP.. I honestly didnt believe she would load up my IRC chat channels
[06:59] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:59] <Hobbsee> WGGMk: ban removed, please don't let it happen again.
[07:01] <WGGMk> Hobbsee: much appreciated. If you look at my records, I have not and never will advertise in a support channel, however in hindsight of what transpired yesterday... Ive added daddy's IRC channels to the dansguardian list.. =)
[07:02] <Hobbsee> WGGMk: hehe :)
[07:02] <Hobbsee> WGGMk: yeah, there's only one ban listed for that IP
[07:03] <WGGMk> Hobbsee: again, I apologize for my lack of 'adult' supervision. and please pass my thanks on to whomever it was that spoke with my daughter. she got a real scare =)
[07:04] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:04] <Hobbsee> will do
[07:04] <WGGMk> have a good night/day to you all
[07:04] <Hobbsee> you too
[07:04] <nalioth> "a good scare"? whatever did you tell her, Hobbsee ?
[07:05] <Hobbsee> nalioth: it was pici
[07:05] <Hobbsee> not me :P
[07:05]  * nalioth wonders . . . 
[07:05] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[07:55] <Myrtti> hello gizmoarena, how may we help you today?
[08:04] <tonyyarusso> ompaul: Say, what's the next-freeest video format after Theora?  I was leaning towards MPEG-4 part 2.
[08:05] <ompaul> some of the MPEG-4 stuff comes from MIT but not all of it - so you can't say anything about it in terms of freedom most of it is from the lock in specialists
[08:05] <ompaul> copyright extremists
[08:06] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, but pretty much everything seems to be.
[08:07] <tonyyarusso> ompaul: My issue is this - I want to publish a video clip on my church web site.  The people doing the video stuff should be able to produce whatever I ask for.  I plan to put up a Theora version with big ol' "preferred" markers and such, but something else (supported out of the box by Windows) with a warning about the codec's nature, for those who refuse to install another codec (or can't).
[08:08] <ompaul> ahh pretty much anything else can be looking for money
[08:09] <ompaul> how about allowing the producers to pick a format of their own
[08:09] <ompaul> as you saw from the recent MP3 suit you can licence the material from lots of people and others with a claim can still hit you
[08:11] <tonyyarusso> true
[08:53] <Amaranth> the only video format windows does OOTB is WMV
[09:00] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: eh?  you sure?
[09:08] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !getdeb is <reply> http://www.getdeb.net is a website with tons of community-built packages for Ubuntu. Remember, packages from the Ubuntu !repositories are generally safer and better built, so unless you're searching for a package that has no candidate in the Ubuntu repositories, or a version newer than one found in the Ubuntu repositories, it is recommended to use the repository version.
[09:08] <MenZa> That might need re-phrasing.
[09:08]  * MenZa isn't good with words this morning.
[09:10] <ardchoille> Looks good to me
[09:22]  * ompaul thinks MenZa na can't be having that - let them get their packages into multiverse seveas or medibuntu ;-)
[09:22] <ompaul> it is too wordy and I ain't got my sissors
[09:25] <Myrtti> I'm officially getting annoyed by ClutzyDee's on the edge of !o4o-behaviour now
[09:57] <Myrtti> and he's back. Lets see what tricks he manages to pull off this time before I /hellokitty him
[10:01] <MenZa> Myrtti: He's been like this since yesterday
[10:01] <MenZa> hm
[10:01] <ompaul> MenZa, since before
[10:02] <MenZa> Not that I've noticed, but I wouldn't be surprised.
[10:02] <ompaul> MenZa, he is on the edge of the ice for a while now
[10:02] <MenZa> right
[10:03] <Myrtti> he's been getting on my nerves since the first glance I actively noticed him at -ot
[10:04] <ompaul> Myrtti, he is now ready for kitties claws or for my hammer
[10:05] <MenZa> haha
[10:08] <wols_> what does !o4o mean?
[10:09] <Myrtti> !o4o
[10:09] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[10:09] <Myrtti> haha
[10:09] <Myrtti> I see it has $C innit
[10:10] <Myrtti> wols_: offtopic for -offtopic
[10:10] <wols_> thx
[10:41] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !utk24 is <reply> For information on how to play Unreal Tournament 2004, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games/Native/UnrealTournament2004
[10:42] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !ut is <reply> For information on how to play Unreal Tournament, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games/Native/UnrealTournament - for Unreal Tournament 2004, see !utk24
[10:46] <elkbuntu> utk24? shoudlnt that be ut2k4?
[10:47] <MenZa> ...
[10:47] <MenZa> Yes.
[10:47] <MenZa> Well, correct it :)
[10:48] <elkbuntu> !ut is <reply> For information on how to play Unreal Tournament, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games/Native/UnrealTournament - for Unreal Tournament 2004, see !ut2k4
[10:48] <ubotu> I'll remember that, elkbuntu
[10:48] <elkbuntu> !ut2k4 is <reply> For information on how to play Unreal Tournament 2004, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games/Native/UnrealTournament2004
[10:49] <elkbuntu> !ut2k4
[10:49] <ubotu> For information on how to play Unreal Tournament 2004, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games/Native/UnrealTournament2004
[10:50] <MenZa> Wonderful, elkbuntu
[11:30] <ubotu> Vorbote called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[11:58] <Myrtti> !supportroot
[11:58] <ubotu> We don't support a root password so don't suggest one unless you are going to be here 24/7 to help someone who has problems as a result of having one, many thanks ;-)
[11:59] <Myrtti> I love that factoid
[12:09] <linuxfce> can i please be unbanned?
[12:10] <ompaul> no
[12:10] <ompaul> you were asked a few times to cool it
[12:10] <ompaul> you ignored it
[12:11] <ompaul> I even warned you very verbosely
[12:11] <linuxfce> i didnt ignore it, i said i'd respect it
[12:11] <linuxfce> i dont get verbose messages
[12:11] <linuxfce> im on pidgin
[12:11] <ompaul> well the respect shown was zero
[12:11] <ompaul> JimmyDee, ?
[12:11] <JimmyDee> just wanted to pop in and appologize for that whole Feisty thing, I was way outta line
[12:12] <ompaul> JimmyDee, fine
[12:12] <ompaul> anything else?
[12:13] <JimmyDee> not really
[12:13] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[12:13] <Myrtti> I'll smack him some day
[12:13] <ompaul> linuxfce, I'll consider removing that ban tomorrow
[12:13] <ompaul> is there anything else?
[12:14] <linuxfce> no theres nothing else
[12:15] <ompaul> come back tomorrow
[12:17] <elkbuntu> linuxfce, then i encourage you to leave the channel, since this isnt an idling channel
[12:23] <white_eagle> LjL, please take the ban off, I gotta ask a question in ubuntu
[12:23] <white_eagle> then put it again if you want
[12:32] <stdin> white_eagle: but that what would be the point of the ban?
[13:16] <ompaul> Gary, you here?
[13:17] <Gary> nope
[13:17] <Gary> umm, yeah
[13:17] <ompaul> Gary, pm me plase
[13:17] <ompaul> pelase
[13:17] <ompaul> please even
[13:40] <MenZa> Hmm, I actually have a bit of a query.
[13:40] <MenZa> Whom should I talk to, if I were interested in taking over a currently dead #ubuntu-* channel?
[13:41] <elkbuntu> what channel?
[13:41] <MenZa> #ubuntu-youth
[13:41] <MenZa> I spoke to you about this, elkbuntu
[13:41] <MenZa> The current owner has abandoned the project, I believe
[13:43] <Gary> maybe he grew up? :p
[13:43]  * MenZa slaps Gary
[13:44] <MenZa> Lies.
[13:44] <elkbuntu> MenZa, i'll see what i can do
[13:44] <MenZa> Thanks, elkbuntu
[13:59] <Pici> Myrtti: +1 for you in offtopic
[13:59] <Myrtti> I just had to say it
[14:12] <MenZa> elkbuntu: I encourage you to poke me by e-mail when you know anything; lasse@havelund.org
[14:12] <elkbuntu> MenZa, ok
[15:18] <MenZa> Wuh-oh.
[15:18] <MenZa> #-ot; potential troll
[15:19] <Pici> MenZa: which one?
[15:19] <MenZa> [2007-28-12 16:18:32 CET]  < articpenguin3800> is ubuntu unstable
[15:19] <ikonia> articpenguin ?
[15:19] <MenZa> What a comment to join with.
[15:19] <ikonia> maybe a geniune question
[15:19] <ikonia> not everyone knows
[15:20] <MenZa> true
[15:33] <Vorian> back
[15:33] <Vorian> shhesh
[15:33] <Vorian> sorry
[15:35] <Pici> tsk tsk
[15:35] <Vorian> :)
[15:35] <Vorian> forgot the /
[15:35] <Vorian> obviously :P
[16:01] <Pici> ...
[16:01] <Pici> livingdaylight in #ubuntuforums
[16:03] <MenZa> Pici: *facepalm*
[16:03] <ikonia> Hmmm automatix in #ubuntu.....interesting nick
[16:04] <Myrtti> automatrix
[16:04] <Pici> I've seen him a few times.
[16:04] <ikonia> he's not done anything
[16:04] <ikonia> just an interesting nick.
[16:05] <ikonia> anhh its matrix
[16:05] <ikonia> not matix
[16:09] <Pici> Vorian: I'm ignoring him (well not /ignore, but you know).
[16:09] <Vorian> sure
[16:10] <Vorian> problem solved
[16:10] <Pici> Hes already gotten realname bans in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:11] <Vorian> a benevolent troll
[16:11] <Myrtti> who
[16:11] <Pici> MenZa: livingdaylight
[16:11] <Vorian> livingdaylight
[16:11] <Myrtti> a
[16:11] <MenZa> Pici: I swa.
[16:11] <MenZa> saw*
[16:11] <Vorian> aka eternaljoy
[16:11] <Pici> er, menza != myrtti
[16:11] <MenZa> oic
[16:11]  * MenZa nods
[16:21] <jpatrick> arg
[16:21] <jpatrick> gastonarg - I've just banned for trolling on #kubuntu-es, he keeps connecting from a different ip, can someone help?
[16:22] <MenZa> Sounds like you need a freenode oper
[16:22] <MenZa> nalioth: you 'round?
[16:22] <ikonia> jpatrick: does he have anything unique about his username ?
[16:22] <Pici> jpatrick: ban on gastonarg!*@*  perhaps?
[16:22] <ikonia> there you go
[16:22] <MenZa> :)
[16:22] <jpatrick> gastonarg [i=opera@190.51.255.122]
[16:22] <jpatrick> he was gastonarg3 etc, at first
[16:22] <ikonia> sounds delightful
[16:23] <Pici> or even  gastonarg*!i=opera@*
[16:23] <ikonia> jpatrick: can you not let him in and mute him ?
[16:23] <MenZa> so.. +b gastonarg*!*@* ?
[16:23] <ikonia> jpatrick: until a solution is found
[16:23] <nalioth> MenZa: hi
[16:23] <jpatrick> ikonia: good point
[16:23] <ikonia> ahhh the cavelry is here
[16:23] <MenZa> indeed
[16:23] <MenZa> nalioth: we need your k-line stick
[16:24] <nalioth> MenZa: oh?
[16:24] <Pici> How is a k-line going to help with a changing ip?
[16:24] <MenZa> It won't.
[16:24] <MenZa> However, as far as I know, trolling is against freenode policy
[16:24] <MenZa> Also
[16:24]  * MenZa collapses on his keyboard and snores loudly
[16:25] <jpatrick> on he's on #ubuntu-es...
[16:26] <nalioth> MenZa: info please (my ESP is in the shop today)
[16:26] <jpatrick> nalioth: gastonarg [i=opera@190.51.255.122] is trolling on the *ubuntu-es channels
[16:27] <MenZa> :)
[16:28] <nalioth> where are the ops?
[16:28] <MenZa> There.
[16:28] <jpatrick> he keeps reconnecting with a different ip
[16:28]  * MenZa points.
[16:28] <MenZa> Hopefully he'll run out of IPs eventually. o_O
[16:28] <MenZa> ...or patience.
[16:29] <nalioth> jpatrick: that leaves you with the option to utilize different ban masks or ban modes
[16:35] <Pici> uh oh.
[16:35] <LjL-Kornbluth> server desync
[16:35] <LjL-Kornbluth> lots of it
[16:35] <LjL-Kornbluth> perhaps a death
[16:35] <LjL-Kornbluth> as i was saying.
[16:36] <Pici> I was wondering too, ubotu was a bit too silent.
[16:36] <MenZa> hmm
[16:37] <Pici> !test
[16:38] <ubotu> Failed.
[16:38] <Pici> Close enough.
[16:38] <LjL-Kornbluth> set -J someone
[16:38] <LjL-Kornbluth> here it shows as still set
[16:39] <Pici> Done.
[16:42] <ikonia> can someone take action against doom_unleashed in #ubuntu please.
[16:42] <ikonia> getting tedious now
[16:43] <Pici> already done.
[16:43] <ikonia> ok he's back and starting again
[16:44] <Pici> ikonia: Sorry, wasnt sure if he was trolling or legitimally asking questions at first.
[16:44] <ikonia> no no, don't apologies
[16:44] <ikonia> apologise even
[16:44] <Myrtti> Pici: I think it's correct to first remove them
[16:44] <Myrtti> and only if they return AND continue their bad behaviour, THEN kb
[16:45] <Pici> Myrtti: I did remove first, but he came back.
[16:45] <Myrtti> indeed
[16:46] <LjL> since i was on the bad side of the split... did the bots -J at all on the good side?
[16:46] <nalioth> nope
[16:46] <nalioth> they just stood around and looked on
[16:48] <Pici> Do the bots try to be on different servers?
[16:48] <Doom_unleashed> Why was I banned just asking things waaaaaah
[16:48] <LjL> Pici: no
[16:49] <LjL> but they should
[16:49] <LjL> however, they should also have set -J when they saw a split
[16:49] <LjL> no matter which server
[16:49] <Doom_unleashed> Why was I banned waaaaaah
[16:49] <Doom_unleashed> T_T
[16:49] <Doom_unleashed> T_T
[16:50] <Doom_unleashed> Y.Y
[16:51] <LjL> [17:51:25] [Whois] Anubis is i=marky-b@im.gonna.fuck.your.mom.allnight.nl (Anubis)
[16:51] <LjL> banned on grounds of unacceptable hostname
[16:52] <LjL> Anubis: i'm sure your bouncer provides some... uh, nicer hostnames?
[16:52] <Anubis> i didnt set it up
[16:52] <Anubis> im using my buddys bnc
[16:52] <MenZa> Anubis: can I suggest you register a user account with freenode, and get an unaffiliated cloak?
[16:53] <MenZa> !register | Anubis
[16:53] <ubotu> Anubis: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[16:53] <LjL> good call
[16:53] <Anubis> it should auto with xchat
[16:53] <MenZa> Well
[16:54] <LjL> Anubis, auto what? cloaks have to be requested manually
[16:54] <MenZa> You are identified to services; you just don't have a cloak.
[16:54] <Anubis> :S
[16:54] <MenZa> Try sending a private message to Turducken, or nalioth requesting one.
[16:54] <Anubis> why do you mean by cloak?
[16:54] <Pici> Or asking in #freenode
[16:54] <LjL> !hostmask
[16:54] <ubotu> Many Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as !TOR due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[16:54] <nalioth> MenZa: private?
[16:54] <nalioth> MenZa: why not just ask me in a channel?
[16:54] <MenZa> nalioth: that's another option. :)
[16:55] <Gary> or me :p
[16:55] <LjL> Gary: no.
[16:55] <Pici> Gary: I think thats a conflict of interest.
[16:55] <LjL> yeah, i conflict with your interests
[17:12] <MenZa> What the shit
[17:12] <MenZa> ...
[17:12] <MenZa> Also, wrong channel.
[17:12]  * MenZa cries.
[17:12] <Pici> !ohmy
[17:12] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[17:12] <LjL> i guess.
[17:12] <MenZa> Re-ordering my channels on irssi was never a good thing.
[17:12] <LjL> MenZa: that's twice in two days, looking to get yourself banned? :P
[17:12] <MenZa> Twice in two days?
[17:12]  * MenZa doesn't remember the last one
[17:12] <LjL> MenZa: well you ran fsck yesterday
[17:12] <MenZa> Oh yeah
[17:12] <MenZa> ...
[17:12] <MenZa> That was an honest brainfart. :(
[17:13] <LjL> yeah yeah
[17:13]  * MenZa pets LjL
[17:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Careful..  he bites
[17:13] <LjL> indeed
[17:13] <Gary> and is cruel :'(
[17:13] <Myrtti> hm
[17:14] <LjL> Gary: yes.
[17:18] <MenZa> well durrr
[17:51] <Arwen> Seveas, are you there? No chance you'd unban me after all this time is there?
[17:51] <Seveas> Arwen, nope
[17:51] <Arwen> tssk, so touchy
[17:52] <Seveas> nothing touchy about that :)
[17:52] <ardchoille> @login
[18:23] <Seveas> nalioth, LjL: incoming council request
 hi there. we [ the ops of #ubuntu-de(-*) ] need to get a channel back. first the channel was lost to spammer, now he's lost to ... dunno. please transfer #ubuntu-de-treffpunkt to juliux, dennda or to me. thanks a lot :)
 you seems to be the owner of the #ubuntu-* namespace
 -s
 the ubuntu irc council (found in #ubuntu-ops) is the owner
 Please ask them
[18:24] <Seveas> fwiw, I support the request, have seen the troubles with -treffpunkt before
[18:24] <nalioth> i wish they'd make up their mind
[18:24] <nalioth> they wanted it forwarded to #ubuntu-de-offtopic last week
[18:24] <Seveas> heh
[18:25] <Pici> sysdef is in here too....
[18:27] <LjL> sysdef, may mitsuhiko or smurfix ping us about that?
[18:27] <sysdef> is dennda or juliux also ok?
[18:27] <sysdef> never seen smurfix there
[18:28] <sysdef> and we see mitsuhiko every 2-3 weeks
[18:28] <nalioth> sysdef: what ACTUALLY do you want done with #ubuntu-de-treffpunkt?
[18:28] <LjL> sysdef, i'd like one of the contacts of #ubuntu-de... i guess if you really guarantee me that they wouldn't have problems with the contact change, we can do it anyway
[18:29] <LjL> i see juliux has some pretty high level in -de anyway so i guess it's ok
[18:29] <sysdef> k, i have access 30 there
[18:29] <sysdef> i'll ask him...
[18:31] <dennda> hi fellows :)
[18:33] <Pici> LjL: floodbots just went a bit nuts in #ubuntu fyi
[18:33] <LjL> Pici: they probably just set modes on their own servers, but we're seeing them all in a row now
[18:34] <LjL> hi dennda
[18:34] <ardchoille> To whom do I speak about bantracker access? I feel it would assist my performance as an op in kubuntu.
[18:34] <LjL> ardchoille, we'll take care of that when possible. currently it's a bit complicated, but we're pretty aware of the issue
[18:35] <ardchoille> LjL: Ah, thank you very much :)
[18:44] <white_eagle> oh Pici
[18:44] <white_eagle> why?
[18:44] <white_eagle> spec said that also
[18:44] <white_eagle> Pici, please respond
[18:45] <white_eagle> ah
[18:45] <Pici> white_eagle: You were asked to stop, you were kicked after being asked, and still continued.
[18:45] <white_eagle> I thought they were kidding
[18:45] <white_eagle> and why do you ban freedom of speech?
[18:46] <dennda> white_eagle: freedom of speech has its bounds
[18:46] <white_eagle> dennda, were you in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[18:46] <dennda> white_eagle: No.#
[18:46] <dennda> I just felt the sudden need to annotate that.
[18:46] <dennda> :)
[18:46] <white_eagle> there was a disscussion about puppies
[18:47] <white_eagle> and I joked that
[18:47] <white_eagle> I kill puppies
[18:47] <LjL> what about adorablepuppy
[18:47] <white_eagle> and they banned me
[18:47] <white_eagle> what about him?
[18:47] <Pici> white_eagle: You contribted nothing to that conversation except different ways that you wanted to kill puppies, teach your children about killing puppies and how dying puppies were funny.
[18:47] <white_eagle> Pici: Spec agreed with me
[18:48] <white_eagle> different ways of killing puppies?
[18:48] <white_eagle> never said that
[18:48] <white_eagle> LjL: what about adorablepuppy?
[18:49] <white_eagle> I didn't curse at him, or similar
[18:49] <white_eagle> its his nick goddamnit
[18:49] <LjL> white_eagle: 1) language
[18:49] <white_eagle> he's not a dog
[18:49] <LjL> white_eagle: 2) i merely said "what about him", you're making up what i meant with that
[18:49] <LjL> i was talking to other ops really
[18:49] <white_eagle> oh
[18:49] <white_eagle> sorry
[18:50] <white_eagle> I never killed a puppy, honestly
[18:50] <Pici> LjL: adorablepuppy stopped being an idiot after ompaul kicked white_eagle
[18:50] <Pici> Well, relatively at least.
[18:50] <white_eagle> but I'm not a criminal if I annoy puppies
[18:50] <Pici> 13:40:01 <white_eagle> I love to kick little puppies
[18:50] <Pici> 13:42:12 * white_eagle hates puppies
[18:50] <Pici> 13:42:21 * white_eagle and kills puppies
[18:50] <Pici> 13:43:29 <white_eagle> I'll teach my kids to kill puppies
[18:50] <Pici> 13:43:41 <white_eagle> dying puppies are funny
[18:51] <white_eagle> and as I said SPc agreed with me
[18:51] <white_eagle> SPec*
[18:51] <Pici> So?
[18:51] <white_eagle> so... he didn't get kicked did he?
[18:51] <Pici> He said he didnt like dogs, I dont have a problem with that.
 love, hate, it's all good, but dying puppies aren't funny
 eeeeee. gord. so cuuuuute.
 dying puppies are funny
 ARE
 mitchp: *giggles*
 they are.
[18:52] <white_eagle> what about this
[18:52] <Pici> white_eagle: You were the one talking about it, not him.
[18:52] <nalioth> whoa whoa what's with all the pasting?
[18:53] <white_eagle> oh, and is it a crime to annoy puppies?
[18:53] <Pici> ompaul: Can I get a second opinion in here? Were you kicking for fun, or because you had a problem with it as well?
[18:53] <ompaul> I had a problem with it
[18:53] <ompaul> white_eagle, no it is not a crime but
[18:53] <ompaul> it is a pain to read your stuff in -offtopic
[18:54] <white_eagle> but...
[18:54] <ompaul> you should really cool your heals a bit
[18:54] <ompaul> no buts there are none
[18:54] <Pici> Think about this: What would someone think if they just joined the channel and saw someone saying that.
[18:54] <white_eagle> OK, I promise I won't annoy anymore, please take the ban off tomorrow
[18:54] <white_eagle> will you?
[18:55] <white_eagle> I can't say that you're completely right about that, but OK, you are the ops, you are the judges
[18:55] <ompaul> how about you come back and remind us and in the mean time read the irc guidelines
[18:55] <ompaul> and remember it is the spirit not the letter
[18:55] <white_eagle> come back now?
[18:56] <ompaul> noe
[18:56] <white_eagle> then, when
[18:56] <ompaul> don't push it
[18:56] <white_eagle> I just asked
[18:56] <ompaul> now you suggested tomorrow
[18:56] <white_eagle> you said "how about you come back and remind us and in the mean time read the irc guidelines
[18:57] <ompaul> yeap tomorrow
[18:57] <white_eagle> thanks
[18:57] <ompaul> there is no promise
[18:57] <white_eagle> ?
[18:57] <white_eagle> why
[18:57] <white_eagle> how about a wekk
[18:57] <white_eagle> week
[18:57] <white_eagle> but surely
[18:57] <ompaul> you read the guidelines and we think about it after a chat tomorrow
[18:57] <ompaul> there is never a promise
[18:57] <ompaul> I did promise with a guy once
[18:57] <ompaul> it was for four weeks
[18:58] <white_eagle> and...
[18:58] <ompaul> he got back in
[18:58] <ompaul> his behaviour had modified
[18:58] <white_eagle> when
[18:58] <ompaul> this conversation is over
[18:58] <white_eagle> I will modify myself, promise
[18:58] <ompaul> now is there anything else?
[18:58] <white_eagle> arghhh
[18:58] <white_eagle> no
[18:59] <ompaul> please read the channel topic
[18:59] <ompaul> for here
[18:59] <white_eagle> I'm pitying myself
[18:59] <white_eagle> I saw it already
[18:59] <ompaul> that is your choice
[18:59] <Daviey> fancy doing it elsewhere tho, this is a /no/ self pity zone
[19:00] <white_eagle> ompaul: sorry for the behaviour, even if you take the ban tommorow I will join the next friday
[19:00] <Pici> white_eagle: we're not removing the ban until we've talked to you...
[19:00] <ompaul> white_eagle, your call you may come back tomorrow and check out if you have read the guidelines
[19:00] <Pici> At some point in time greater than today.
[19:00] <white_eagle> haven't you talked to me already?
[19:00] <nalioth> wols: can we be of service?
[19:00] <nalioth> somerville32: can we be of service?
[19:01]  * Pici puts up the 'out to lunch' sign
[19:01] <Pici> ompaul: Thanks.
[19:01] <nalioth> Anubis: can we be of service?
[19:01] <nalioth> AfterDeath: can we be of service?
[19:01] <Pici> Oh,  I read that as 'out of service'
[19:02] <ardchoille> Pici: Let's hope that never happens :)
[19:02] <nalioth> dennda: can we be of service?
[19:03] <nalioth> idling is not recommended here, folks
[19:05] <dennda> nalioth: Yes I read that. Actually sysdef asked me to join the channel. We are ops in the german ubuntu channels and would like to ask you abandoning (or forwarding) #ubuntu-de-treffpunkt since it has been the target of spamming in the past. We set up #ubuntu-de-offtopic with spam-protection and that kind of stuff and the channel is running nicely since months.
[19:05] <dennda> (Actually, juliux and I sent a paper on that topic to the IRC-Council quite some time ago, but got no response back)
[19:07] <dennda> (We are here because #ubuntu-de-treffpunkt belongs to the IRC-Councils namespace)
[19:07] <nalioth> i do not have that email, dennda
[19:07] <LjL> neither do i
[19:07] <dennda> really?
[19:07] <nalioth> do you remember _who_ you sent it to?
[19:07] <LjL> think something must be wrong with that address...
[19:08] <dennda> I just talked about that with juliux on the 23th of this month and he said that we got no response back...
[19:08] <LjL> (btw, the right channel for this kind of thing is #ubuntu-irc, for the future, here deals with bans complaints etc from the channels we manage directly)
[19:08] <LjL> i'm sure you didn't, since we didn't get the email to begin with
[19:09] <dennda> nalioth: I can't remember exactly, but I think juliux sent it...
[19:09] <dennda> Therefore I have no idea if he actually did and who got the mail
[19:09] <sysdef> LjL: uh, i confused the channels, sorry
[19:09] <dennda> We wrote it on his gobby server iirc. Lemme check if it is still there
[19:11] <dennda> just a sec
[19:12] <dennda> yes, here it is
[19:12] <PriceChild> There is no email in the moderation queue of ubuntu-irc or irc-council
[19:13] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, wobblywu said: ubotu: forget Pici
[19:13] <LjL> PriceChild: *cough* there is one in ubuntu-irc, actually... deny it :)
[19:13] <LjL> PriceChild: irc-council is moderated?
[19:14] <PriceChild> LjL, to random outside emails to get rid of spam
[19:14] <PriceChild> LjL, there is no email in the queue for ubuntu-irc, your test email went through fine.
[19:14] <dennda> I got the text
[19:14]  * PriceChild looks at settings
[19:14] <nalioth> why are you spamming us, LjL? we know it works
[19:14] <dennda> It seems to be in a pre-alpha state but I can send it to you if you wish
[19:14] <LjL> PriceChild: ah... the intention was to send to irc-council though, i messed up :)
[19:14] <LjL> nalioth: ^
[19:14] <dennda> seems juliux forgot it
[19:15] <wols> nalioth: you're fine like you are. don't mind me, if I ever shouldn't be here due to talks or cause you're annoyed at me, just kick. no autorejoin
[19:15] <PriceChild> LjL, we aren't moderated ourselves.
[19:15] <dennda> what would be the correct adress to send it to?
[19:16] <nalioth> wols: we'd prefer not to remove anyone (hint)
[19:16] <wols> I usually come here if no one reacts to "!ops" and then sometimes stay
[19:22] <tonyyarusso> gah.../me just saw e-mail about gnomefreak :(
[19:22] <LjL> hm?
[19:22] <Pici> what?
[19:23] <tonyyarusso> Apparently he had surgery to remove a stomach ulcer and will be out of comission for a few weeks
[19:23] <Pici> Thats it?
[19:23] <Pici> I was really worried for a minute.
[19:23] <tonyyarusso> Well, it's his girlfriend writing the e-mail for him, since he can't sit up
[19:23] <tonyyarusso> sounds highly unpleasant
[19:24] <Pici> I mean, its not good, but nowhere near where my mind was going.
[19:24] <tonyyarusso> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mozillateam/2007-December/000385.html
[19:24] <tonyyarusso> Pici: true, sorry
[19:25] <Gary> yeah, I thought the worst too
[19:26] <LjL> actually i thought he was leaving ubuntu
[19:31] <tonyyarusso> Apparently effie_jayx has given up on fluxbox and moved to KDE!
[19:35] <keffie_jayx> to request for a cloak for this nick
[19:36] <keffie_jayx> I currently have effie_jayx cloaked and I would like to have this altern nick cloaked as well
[19:36] <Pici> link them?
[19:36] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, hehehe
[19:36] <ompaul> keffie_jayx, you can have them all linked together
[19:36] <ompaul> !register
[19:36] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[19:37] <PriceChild> /msg nickserv help link
[19:37] <ompaul> keffie_jayx, ^^ in there you can find the info under cloaks I think you need to change the # to #nicksetup (been a while)
[19:37] <help> lol
[19:37] <help> I meant nickserv not nick
[19:37] <help> lol
[19:39] <keffie_jayx> thanks
[19:39] <nalioth> dennda: if we're done here, please respect our 'no idling' policy, please  :)
[19:40] <dennda> nalioth: Actually I am still waiting for responses on that topic
[19:41] <nalioth> dennda: but you are waiting in #ubuntu-irc for that  :)
[19:41] <dennda> ok
[19:41] <Myrtti> what about people who suggest using sudo su
[19:42] <Myrtti> see #ubuntu
[19:43] <jpatrick> sudo -s
[19:43] <nalioth> or sudo -i
[19:43] <PriceChild> wfm?
[19:43] <Myrtti> doh
[19:43] <ompaul> Myrtti, na what we have there is a person who lost their root or can't type their own password
[19:44] <Myrtti> ompaul: I've seen it thrice today
[19:44] <ompaul> :)
[19:44] <Myrtti> people who suggest sudo su
[19:44] <tonyyarusso> Any idea how hard it would be to port Firefox extensions to Epiphany?  What would one need to learn in order to do so, starting with a knowledge base of practically nothing?
[19:44] <Pici> ompaul: fyi, vampire is using 5.10
[19:44] <Myrtti> that last one is ok thogh
[19:45] <crdlb> tonyyarusso: you'd have to completely start over
[19:45] <ompaul> Pici, I know
[19:45] <Pici> I'd like to see a nice written reccomendation about which sudo method is correct and/or arguments as to why to use each one.  Not the ubuntu wiki page.
[19:45] <ompaul> Pici, I wrote some of that :P
[19:45] <PriceChild> what's wrong with the wiki page?
[19:45] <tonyyarusso> crdlb: I know ephy uses python - what language are Firefox ones in?
[19:46] <PriceChild> large factoids don't get read, and just spam channels
[19:46] <Pici> It just says to not use sudo -s or -i, no mention of sudo su iirc.
[19:46] <PriceChild> well its the principle
[19:46] <PriceChild> and wiki pages are editable
[19:46]  * Pici does the research then
[19:47] <Myrtti> sudo -i, sudo -u
[19:47] <Myrtti> those are the ones I use
[19:47] <crdlb> tonyyarusso: javascript
[19:47] <ardchoille> Myrtti: Yes, ut those are listed under the "None of the methods below are suggested or supported by the designers of Ubuntu." section so should we not suggest them?
[19:48] <tonyyarusso> crdlb: seriously?  interesting
[19:48] <crdlb> tonyyarusso: and there's no way to talk to gecko using python extensions, so many epiphany extensions are only possible in C
[19:48] <Myrtti> ardchoille: errrr? really?
[19:49] <Pici> Myrtti: Yes, thats why I wanted a link that wasnt the wiki page.
[19:49] <ardchoille> Myrtti: In the wiki page, yes. That's what had me confused.
[19:49] <tonyyarusso> crdlb: Well, what I really want atm is an Epiphany version of stumbleupon
[19:49] <Pici> s/myrtti/ardchoille
[19:49] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: why not port them to galeon? epiphany sucks.
[19:49] <ardchoille> Well, if they aren't supported or recommended, should they even be in that wiki page?
[19:49] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: I thought Galeon was abandoned?
[19:49] <crdlb> :o
[19:49] <crdlb> it is
[19:50]  * nalioth thought epiphany was abandoned . . .
[19:50]  * ardchoille thought galleon and epihpany merged
[19:51] <tonyyarusso> "Galeon’s initial development team split in 2002 due to disagreements about the target audience. This split led to the creation of Epiphany, a fork of Galeon. On October 22, 2005, the Galeon developers announced plans to stop development of Galeon in its current form, saying “the current approach is unsustainable” in the resources required for maintenance. Instead, they hope to develop a set of extensions for Epiphany to provide s
[19:51] <ardchoille> tonyyarusso: Ah, thanks
[19:56] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: well, it seems that it went nowhere (meaning: I prefer galeon over epiphany)
[19:58] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: how come?
[19:59] <nalioth> epiphany doesn't work well for me  :(
[19:59] <nalioth> it seems "empty" of features that galeon has
[20:04] <ompaul> nalioth, there is a package called epiphany-extensions
[20:05] <tonyyarusso> plus third party ones not in core
[20:07] <nalioth> where does one find epiphany extensions in the wild?
[20:07] <tonyyarusso> http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/extensions
[20:07] <tonyyarusso> http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/ThirdPartyExtensions
[20:08] <ompaul> folks what do you think of putting a notice like this in the topic
[20:08] <tonyyarusso> Yay, there will be a third edition of the Ubuntu Book for 8.04
[20:08] <Pici> Yay.
[20:08] <ompaul> changing your nick in this channel is likely to get you removed
[20:08] <ompaul> in #ubuntu?
[20:08] <Pici> At least a re-visitation of our away policy would be nice.
[20:09] <ompaul> ban on sight
[20:09] <Pici> Thats always your answer.
[20:09] <ompaul> okay ban forward to here
[20:09] <ompaul> then we can talk with them and say please don't do that
[20:10] <ompaul> that seems to work elsewhere
[20:11] <Pici> Changing your nick is a pretty trivial thing to add to the topic.. which no one reads anyway.
[20:15] <nalioth> and it's not the extensions, either, it's "how it works"
[20:27] <Myrtti> I notice JimmyDee present again
[20:28] <Pici> Leaving for a bit, might want to keep and eye on x3roconf in #ubuntu, hes a bit trollish.
[20:36] <Myrtti> LjL: i wanna soap him
[20:37] <stdin> LjL: her (n=her@unaffiliated/her) : her  is "nickname" too
[20:37] <LjL> stdin: two cloaks?!
[20:38] <stdin> seems so, same ident/real name
[20:38] <LjL> nalioth: ^
[20:38] <stdin> also same part message
[20:41] <nalioth> and the problem is?
[20:42] <LjL> nalioth: a same user with two different unaffiliated cloaks...?
[20:42] <LjL> it's bad enough when unaffiliateds spam and then come back without the cloak
[20:43] <nalioth> LjL: there are lots of users with two nicks
[20:43] <LjL> two *cloaks*
[20:44] <nalioth> i'm sorry, i'm not understanding
[20:44] <LjL> nalioth, nickname!n=her@unaffiliated/nickname (realname "her") spammed #ubuntu. then stdin noticed that her!n=her@unaffiliated/her is, most likely, the same user
[20:44] <LjL> i guess you could make sure it really is the same use by checking the IP
[20:45] <nalioth> will do
[20:46] <LjL> that quit message was nice
[20:46] <LjL> i guess it's the first time i see a real nick collision on this network
[21:16] <nalioth> somerville32: can we help you?
[21:18] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: Is there a sane place on the network where one could discuss filesharing in terms of the technical aspects, clients, network differences, etc. without the conversation quickly running afoul of Freenode policies on illegal activities?
[21:18] <LjL> tonyyarusso: #ubuntu-offtopic and i'll defend your right to talk about it until i get banned myself
[21:19] <tonyyarusso> LjL: fair enough
[21:19]  * tonyyarusso is guessing #defocus would go down the tubes pretty quickly, but it's the only other one I could think of
[21:20]  * MenZa plunges tonyyarusso down the tubes.
[21:22] <somerville32> nalioth, No, I'm fine but I'd ask that you not kick me :)
[21:23] <nalioth> well, we'd ask that you not idle here  :)
[21:23] <somerville32> I'm not an idler :)
[21:26] <PriceChild> somerville32, is there anything I can help you with?
[21:28] <somerville32> PriceChild, No. Why?
[21:29]  * PriceChild looks at the backlog
[21:30] <MenZa> somerville32 [n=cody-som@ubuntu/member/somerville32]
[21:30] <MenZa> hmm
[21:31] <PriceChild> somerville32, are there any questions or subjects that you would like to discuss regarding bans, operators or abuse in the main ubuntu channels?
[21:32] <somerville32> I have spent the last 14 months in this channel. If I had a concern, I think you'd hear about it.
[21:32] <PriceChild> I think that is what he was referring to.
[21:35] <nalioth> somerville32: you've also been removed quite a bit, due to idling
[21:35] <somerville32> nalioth, Not that I know of.
[21:36] <somerville32> [15:22] * You have left channel #ubuntu-ops (requested by nalioth: "No idling, please"
[21:38] <nalioth> so was there any business that resemble what PriceChild asked you about, somerville32 ?
[21:38] <somerville32> No and nor is there any reason for me to be kicked from this channel.
[21:38] <LjL> uhm, [22:38:28] [Whois] Jimbo_Wales is n=pinky@12.206.255.43 (a man who is pink)
[21:39] <PriceChild> LjL, the floodbots deoped each other
[21:39]  * PriceChild ops one
[21:39] <LjL> PriceChild: ugh...
[21:39] <LjL> how the hell can that happen
[21:39] <LjL> server desync >:
[21:40] <MenZa> lol
[21:53] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Areli1 said: !no pony is No, you can't have a pony. And there is no tomorrow. And no cookies.
[21:57] <LjL> [22:57:23] <LjL> Areli1: and no factoid editing for you, either.
[22:00] <Areli1> LjL: alright.
[22:01] <ubotu> In ubotu, pike_ said: ruby is the most wonderfulest greatest interpreted programming language if you ask someone in #ruby-lang.  If you ask in #python or #perl the answer is likely to be different.  See http://www.ruby-lang.org/
[22:01] <Myrtti> lol
[22:02] <Myrtti> lollol
[22:02] <Myrtti> triple lol
[22:03] <LjL> all excuses are good to advertize my bot
[22:03] <LjL> and that one is
[22:21] <linuxfce> can i get unbanned?
[22:21] <LjL> i don't know
[22:21] <LjL> why were you banned?
[22:21] <PriceChild> linuxfce, what channel?
[22:22] <linuxfce> banned in #ubuntu for repeatitive offtopic, banned by ompaul, he said come back tomorrow, thats today
[22:22] <ompaul> are you willing to stay ontopic that is ubuntu support only
[22:23]  * ompaul wonders was it 24 hours since
[22:23] <linuxfce> yeah
[22:23] <ompaul> please hang on a minute
[22:24] <ompaul> linuxfce, okay let me explain how this works
[22:24] <ompaul> ompaul, Dec 28 2007 12:05:23
[22:25] <ompaul> that was the UTC time of the ban
[22:25] <ompaul> this is about 10 hours later
[22:25] <ompaul> you are based in the US it would have been 4am or some such - so it is not a day
[22:25] <ompaul> linuxfce, however I'll do something I am not known for :-)
[22:26] <Myrtti> oooo
[22:26] <ompaul> I'll let you back in please stay ontopic if you want to talk
[22:26] <ompaul> do so in -offtopic
[22:26] <linuxfce> ok
[22:26] <ompaul> Myrtti, this is not good ompaul example :P
[22:26] <Myrtti> all hail ompaul
[22:26] <Myrtti> all hail ompaul
[22:26] <Myrtti> Hail ompaul!
[22:26] <Myrtti> wee
[22:27] <ompaul> hehe
[22:27] <ompaul> hail me
[22:27] <Myrtti> /me takes another heartburn pill
[22:27] <ompaul> or some such
[22:28] <ompaul> linuxfce, you may go please stay ontopic thanks
[22:28]  * ompaul chuckles
[22:28] <ompaul> that ego got in the way of getting readmitted perhaps
[22:28] <nalioth> idling is against channel policy.  if you are idling, please depart
[22:28] <ompaul> linuxfce, anything else we can do for you?
[22:28] <PriceChild> There have been a few people cycling in/out of here lately
[22:29] <Myrtti> that feller
[22:30] <Myrtti> he left #unbuntu-fi after the rebublican spambot, I think
[22:30] <Myrtti> and I don't ever remember him saying anything
[22:31] <ompaul> Myrtti, ;-)
[22:31] <ompaul> linuxfce, anything else we can do for you?
[22:31] <ompaul> please read the topic here
[22:31] <Myrtti> could be mistaken, though
[22:34] <nalioth> ardchoille: atoponce crdlb Fujitsu ikonia JanC mc44 MenZa if there is no active business keeping you idled here, please depart
[22:35] <mc44> oh this again. how fun
[22:35] <Myrtti> janc should be voiced, i think
[22:35] <MenZa> It was my belief, that individuals known and trusted by the IRC council, were allowed here.
[22:35]  * MenZa floats to lists.
[22:36] <Myrtti> As an op of -women
[22:37]  * MenZa lifts eyebrow
[22:37] <JanC> I'm just here because then I can see if anything happens that I can use in those channels that I have op-rights in (e.g. -women, -be & -nl)
[22:37] <Myrtti> ^
[22:38] <atoponce> nalioth: what ubuntu channel does -ops extend?
[22:38] <nalioth> atoponce: the primary channels #ubuntu #kubuntu #xubuntu #edubuntu and derivatives
[22:38] <nalioth> atoponce: #ubuntu-irc is the channel for #ubuntu-XX folks
[22:39] <atoponce> ahh. ok. fair enough
[22:40] <mc44> pointless and random enforcing of a policy that was implemented for reasons completely unrelated to kicking everyone idling time. woo.
[22:40] <JanC> hm, I thought I was in -irc too, seems like xchat truncated my channel list again  :-(
[22:40] <Myrtti> I came here only as a -fi op and look where I've ended up in ;-)
[22:40] <Myrtti> but
[22:41] <PriceChild> JanC, I use an autojoin script instead of xchat's channel field
[22:42] <ompaul> ajoin rocks the xchat planet
[22:42] <JanC> i was thinking about writing my own script, but one already exists?
[22:42] <ompaul> JanC, get seveas code for same works a treat
[22:42] <PriceChild> nooooooo
[22:42] <somerville32> ok
[22:43] <PriceChild> JanC, I'll explain mine in -irc?
[22:43] <JanC> okay  ;)
[22:43] <PriceChild> as this is busy
[22:53] <mitchp_> hello, i am hoping to get some information on a ban against my ip at work and my nick.  I do apologize for it, but there was no warning that I saw, is there any way to remedy this?
[22:54] <LjL> mitchp_: do you understand that giving destructive commands in channels is a really bad idea?
[22:55] <PriceChild> beginners do copy/paste commands like that
[22:55] <PriceChild> it even followed the suggestion of "man"
[22:55] <mitchp_> I do, however it was not a support channel and I believe it ot be destructive to the community not to discuss things and to simply instantly ban people who say it.  It was not given as advice, and was in the offtopic channel.
[22:57] <mitchp_> I'm not saying it wasn't wrong or that I would consider doing it again, but kicking me out of the community for a single act without warning seems a bit harsh
[22:58] <PriceChild> Do you understand the reasoning for that behaviour being wrong and not tolerated?
[22:58] <LjL> mitchp_: well, you're here to discuss it
[22:58] <PriceChild> Is it going to happen again?
[22:59] <mitchp_> I do, and no it won't.  I know there are people who will blindly follow these commands, I just didn't realize it was to the point where an uttering in jest would result in such harsh penalties
[22:59] <LjL> people who blindly follow the command get an even (much) harsher penaility
[23:00] <ompaul> it is not half as harsh as to the poor someone else who follow it
[23:00] <Madpilot> we've all seen 'noobs' follow *any* command mentioned in IRC
[23:00] <ompaul> just to see how it works
[23:00] <ompaul> and frankly that is one of the nasty ones
[23:00] <PriceChild> hmm didn't i ban you in -offtopic? :/
[23:00] <mitchp_> Madpilot, I didn't realize that
[23:00] <PriceChild> can't see it anymore
[23:00] <ompaul> PriceChild, you did
[23:00] <mitchp_> yes it was offtopic
[23:00] <ompaul> so how are you back there
[23:00] <PriceChild> and now you're at a different hostname...
[23:00] <ompaul> hmm
[23:01] <ompaul> that we call ban avoidance and look upon it very dimly
[23:01] <mitchp_> this ip is different as well as the nick.  I came to try and get answers and to see if I could fix this, not in an attempt to evade a ban
[23:01] <ompaul> well leave -ot for a mo please
[23:01] <mitchp_> i am no longer in offtopic
[23:01] <ompaul> thanks
[23:01] <PriceChild> mitchp_, I've removed the ban.
[23:01] <mitchp_> Thank you.  I am deeply sorry.  Not to happen again
[23:02] <PriceChild> Good good. Have fun.
[23:02] <PriceChild> mitchp_, one other thing
[23:02] <mitchp_> yes?
[23:02] <PriceChild> mitchp_, please "/msg ubotu guidelines" and have a read some time :)
[23:03] <mitchp_> i'll do that now, thank you
[23:06] <LjL> !defrag
[23:06] <ubotu> defragmentation is not needed for Ext3 and ReiserFS filesystems. They are much more efficient in their allocation of storage units.
[23:06] <LjL> much more efficient than what? who says it's not needed? going to change that.
[23:07] <Myrtti> mitchp: anything else we could help you with? :-)
[23:07] <Madpilot> much more effecient than MS filesystems, I assume
[23:07] <Madpilot> In other news: when did #u acquire the Floodbot?
[23:07] <mitchp> no, I'll just be chatting in ot.  Thanks.
[23:08] <LjL> !no defragmentation is <reply> The default Ubuntu filesystem (ext3) is engineered to avoid fragmentation issues in most cases. A package "defrag" is available in !Universe, however its use is not safe, and is generally not needed.
[23:08] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[23:08] <LjL> Madpilot: not entirely sure, but i sent mail to the ML when it started operating experimentally
[23:09] <jpatrick> hmm, !defrag is <alias>defragmentation ?
[23:09] <LjL> !defrag
[23:09] <ubotu> The default Ubuntu filesystem (ext3) is engineered to avoid fragmentation issues in most cases. A package "defrag" is available in !Universe, however its use is not safe, and is generally not needed.
[23:09] <LjL> of course it is
[23:14] <ompaul> Madpilot, revently
[23:15] <ompaul> Madpilot, recently that is
[23:17] <Jack_Sparrow> Everything I have seen limcore post is a backhand insult of Ubuntu......
[23:17] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, ? is this something in #ubuntu?
[23:18] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes
[23:18] <LjL> yes
[23:18] <Jack_Sparrow> Pvt msg .. everything is rude and negative
[23:20] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry, a bit short on sleep and probably a bit ill tempered myself...  Only a couple more days of the 4yr old
[23:22] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, and you got your own worries ;-)
[23:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Thanks for the kind words the other day..  :)
[23:23] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, might be better to stay in -offtopic and talk silly stuff
[23:23] <ompaul> no worries
[23:24] <ompaul> dude don't tire yourself out
[23:25] <Jack_Sparrow> I only logged on to check mail..   IRC always comes up ...  When I get time I will explain the issues with the 4yr old..  Autistic, but I adore him more than his mother
[23:25] <Myrtti> /me hugs Jack_Sparrow
[23:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Thanks.. you're sweet...
[23:26] <Jack_Sparrow> She just isnt dealing with it/him very well, and with the new one.. well it has agrivated things in their lives
[23:28] <Myrtti> you hang in there
[23:29] <Jack_Sparrow> Friends.. enjoy your new year, please dont drive under the influence hugs all around
[23:29] <ompaul> jack is a tad busy these days
[23:56] <ardchoille> nalioth: Even though I am an op in #kubuntu? I was asked to idle here for that purpose.
[23:58] <ompaul> ardchoille, as far as I know from a pm convo with nal^ ioth he is gone for a break
[23:59] <ardchoille> Ah, ok.
[23:59] <ompaul> ~ 90% of the time he marks himself away for that this seems to be one of the other times
[23:59] <LjL> ^K
[23:59] <ubot3> ompaul: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[23:59]  * ompaul looks at ubot3 
[23:59] <LjL> ~hello
[23:59] <ubot3> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-ops!
[23:59] <ompaul> ~bot
[23:59] <ubot3> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[23:59] <ompaul> liar!
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