[00:28] Jucato: they threw nixternal in the news as well :) [00:29] :O [00:30] where? [00:30] http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/263161/b6cd41ede0d8629f/ [00:31] ah === LongPoin1yStick is now known as LongPointyStick [00:55] ardchoille: wow, that's some LP page :p [00:56] stdin: Thanks. I'd love to clean it up if I could learn how to do [http://www.blah.com This is the blah page] [00:57] instead of having http://www.blah.com ; This is the blah page in the page [00:57] mine looks very bare now, and the small bit of info on it was only recently added [00:58] I see [00:58] even your wiki page is better laid out than mine, but I do hate wikis.... [00:58] Oh, and blah would be nice too [00:59] I used examples from other people's pages for that :) [01:00] I never get around to it, I'd rather figure out how to bounce email around my lan (which I actually did today) [01:00] hehe [01:01] spend the last few mins emailing myself on my server and replying via sendmail over ssh [01:01] * stdin got his geek on [01:01] stdin: Not sure it's a good thing to be talking to one's self :P [01:02] probably not, but I get better conversation out of myself than most people I know :p [01:02] hahahaha [01:25] Netscape Navigator, now owned by AOL, will no longer be supported after 1 February 2008, the company has said. [01:25] Yeah [01:25] I posted on it already [01:26] it flooded planet.mozilla.org [01:26] I was liking 9 too [01:30] yeah lots of ppl sare saying that they got it with 9 [01:31] Bah [01:32] So starting next year will be the first time there is no Netscape browser since Mosiac was first challenged [01:32] yep [01:33] * dasKreech_ ponders the death of KDE [01:33] oh noes [01:33] :P [01:35] * dasKreech_ shakes magic FOSS dust over KDE [01:35] that should do it [01:35] hehe === dasKreech_ is now known as dasKreech [01:57] Jucato: your Post-Christmas Angst made for an interesting read :) [01:57] * ryanakca never knew anything about it... but I guess you could attribute that to the fact that I've been away for the past couple weeks... [01:58] ryanakca: Well that's why he blonts [01:58] that and to get on mainstream news :) [02:04] lol [02:14] good night === stdin_ is now known as stdin [02:17] night === Huahua is now known as Shely === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed === rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk [07:12] Hmm [07:12] Red Hat Defrocked [07:12] well good night === lucifaint_ is now known as lucifaint === luka74 is now known as Lure === Shely is now known as iRepresentation [09:13] hyvää päivää === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [09:25] Tm_T: ditto [09:30] Lure: agreed [09:30] Tm_T: ;-) [09:31] you're trying to hit me? [09:47] Hi [09:48] Has somebody a dist-upgraded kubuntu box at hand (feisty => gutsy)? [09:49] Then please provide the output of "dpkg -L kde-systemsettings | grep merged" [09:49] I think /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/system-settings-merge.menu would be still installed, but I'm not sure. [09:58] blueyed: [09:58] /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/system-settings-merge.menu [09:58] /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/system-settings-merge.menu [09:58] Thanks, Tm_T. This confirms my guess / observation. [10:58] Hi Hobbsee [10:59] Does anybody have an opinion on bug 50320? (see the screenshot with the patch at the end) [10:59] Launchpad bug 50320 in kde-systemsettings "Kubuntu's system settings app doesn't handle file associations" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50320 [11:01] heya blueyed [11:01] * Jucato stays away fro kss... [11:01] Jucato: why? [11:02] it's a very "unstable" app... identity-wise... imho [11:02] But it won't get any better if you stay away from it, does it? ;) [11:02] on one hand, it's supposed to be simplistic, only containing those modules that can't be reached from other settings/apps... [11:03] e.g. the "missing file associations" tool is often requested and I'm happy to just have to pickup some patch. [11:03] and on the other hand... some of those modules are also necessary in some use/corner cases (like this case, and the case of panels) [11:03] blueyed: almost every module taken out of system settings is "often requested" :D [11:04] as I don't personally see eye to eye with kss, I tend to just stay away :P [11:05] Jucato: I see, I'm using kcontrol myself - but apparently kss is the default and therefor should provide e.g. "file types". I can also see that it's easier for the average user: kcontrol is quite messy IMHO. [11:06] blueyed: although, system settings in kde4 has gotten a lot better, appearance-wise [11:07] blueyed: that's the thing about kss. I don't think we really got down to having a guideline of what to include and what to exclude... el (openusability) was only available for one development iteration, and that's all the usability help we got for kss [11:08] blueyed: hm... about the patch now (technical details) [11:09] yes. I'm not sure myself either, if it's better to have a submenu "Default Applications" now (with two "files" in it) or better to have "file types" next to the current "default apps" file. [11:09] last time I tried to readd launch feedback, I did it the same way as slammer did, by modifying the .menu file. later on I was told (I think by Tonio) that the preferred way was to modify the Categories of the kcm's .desktop files instead [11:10] so instead of modifying the .menu file, you modify the filetypes kcm's .desktop file. not 100% sure on tht [11:11] Jucato: launch feedback? or do you mean in general? [11:11] basically any kcm you want readded to system settings. [11:12] that's iirc and afaik only [11:12] hmm.. then I'll leave it for now.. ;) I've just packaged this patch, while creating a debdiff for another bug. [11:13] blueyed: well, there's no harm in submitting the patch anyway. If I'm wrong (I usually am), then at least you have a working patch now :) [11:13] I'm not sure though, if I should subscribe u-m-s, as Riddel should look at it before IMHO anyway. [11:26] now we know why Ubuntu is brown: http://www.flickr.com/photos/emrahunal/2131208665/ [11:52] hi Lure [11:53] hi jpatrick, hi Lure! [11:53] hi Jucato! [11:55] hi jpatrick, Jucato [11:56] * Lure is happy as FOSS ati drivers do desktop effects properly in kde4 [11:56] yay :) [11:57] about the lp l10n thing, do we synchronize between projects? [12:05] any of you managed to get xcb video things working in kde4? [12:47] who/what sets ${misc:Depends}? === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:47] Lure: for what ati chipset? [12:48] ATI FireGL V5000 [12:48] buz: funny thing is that it worked in FOSS before in fglrx (ATI just released FireGL support last week) [12:48] hi kenkku [12:49] moi, Tm_T [12:49] kenkku: #ubuntu-motu could be a good place for packaging issues [12:49] ah thats R300 [12:49] yeah that sort of works :P [12:49] Tm_T: yeah, might be, although I've gotten help here, too [12:49] kenkku: sure :) [13:02] Happy New Year! Drink, Drink, Drink! Bye! :-) I'm off :) [13:35] hi all [13:35] hi [13:36] I'm a linux n00b with some spare time [13:36] how can i help kubuntu? [13:36] happen to know any programming? [13:36] a litlle bit of c [13:37] hmmm [13:37] we always need help in bug hunting/triaging [13:37] or you could learn how to package, if you are willing, we always need that as well [13:38] I think I could do some bug hunting [13:38] there will be a lot to do for everyone in a couple of weeks, when kde 4 comes out [13:38] bug hunting means trying kubuntu and see what needs to be fixed? [13:39] yep [13:39] triaging is looking through other reports and confirming/denying them [13:40] I don't think I have the knowledge to confirm or deny someone's bug report [13:41] well you learn :) [13:41] but yeah bug hunting is always needed as well [13:41] but for that you gotta be willing the latest development version [13:42] hmmm........compiling stuff if I don't get any errors I'm ok with it [13:42] I would like to try kde 4 can you point me to a tutorial to compile it [13:43] you running gutsy or hardy? [13:43] Ubuntu 7.04 [13:43] http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php [13:44] I tryed that but most things don't work [13:45] i thought it was broken or something [13:45] I'll boot it from a usb flash is that ok? [13:46] hmm what doesnt work? [13:46] yeah should be [13:46] some icons are on the wronk place on the screen [13:47] some applications crash for no good reason [13:47] icons? rc2 doesn't allow desktop icons as far as i remember [13:47] yeah some applications crash, thats true (especially plasma) [13:47] icons from the system try [13:47] if you are willing you can compile kde 4 from svn [13:47] its much much more stable [13:48] can I install it on top of ubuntu [13:48] yeah, you basically create a new user and install everything in its /home directory [13:48] so the rest of your system is not affected [13:49] that sounds ok for me [13:49] thats hwat i do, then update it once a week to see progress [13:49] let me link u [13:50] ok [13:50] http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 [13:50] here u go [13:50] thanks [13:50] np :P [13:51] how long does it take to compile? [13:51] dual core 1.6 ghz [13:52] make sure you use -j3 where it says -j2 in that tutorial for dual core [13:52] will probably take 1-2 hours [13:53] ok [14:08] Hobbsee: can you give back kmplayer? Now that the buildds are fixed [14:09] Hobbsee took some stuff again? :D [14:10] <-- is playing poker :P [14:11] * jpatrick pokes apachelogger_ [14:11] meh [14:11] jpatrick: I'll need an advocate soon :P [14:11] for what? [14:11] (1st) xmas package [14:12] apachelogger_: richtig, sag mir wann du es brachst [14:12] wb milian [14:13] jpatrick: ok :) [14:18] moin apachelogger_ [14:18] * apachelogger_ is uploading PokerTH to revu [14:19] milian: how is it going? [14:19] apachelogger_: all good :] [14:20] arrsome [14:20] * apachelogger_ starts dancing [14:20] Oo [14:20] omg [14:20] revu is toally filled up [14:22] jpatrick: given back [14:22] lazy MOTUs :P [14:22] Hobbsee: thank you [14:22] bah. [14:22] there's other stuff to do, apart from reviewing new packages. [14:22] good Hobbsee :D [14:23] heh [14:23] * Hobbsee --> bed [14:23] actually it's hobbsee->goToBed(); [14:23] I'd rather search nu good music than revu :P [14:24] * mhb thinks it's hobbsee.goToBed(); [14:24] depends on whether "hobbsee" is a pointer or an object name or reference to an object :) [14:24] * apachelogger_ agress with mhb, without ; though [14:24] ruby ftw! [14:24] yes, ruby ftw! [14:24] hahah [14:25] ruby ftw, but without ";" it's python [14:25] mhb: I refer to read it as ruby :P [14:25] or ruby [14:25] *prefer [14:26] apachelogger_: this builds? [14:27] jpatrick: pokerth? [14:27] ja [14:27] ja [14:27] on gutsy and hardy actually ;-) [14:27] because I had some bad experience with 1 binary packages + .install files [14:27] something with dh_build not being in multipackage mode [14:27] never had that [14:28] * apachelogger_ packages most qt apps without install function using a .install [14:29] actually [14:29] jpatrick: hod on a second [14:29] * apachelogger_ is wondering [14:29] that package already is in debian and our universe [14:29] * apachelogger_ investigates [14:30] just nur it [14:31] jpatrick: nur it? [14:31] new upstream release [14:31] meh [14:32] * apachelogger_ has to repackage using the 0.5 in universe [14:32] * apachelogger_ is wondering why it is dfsg'd though [14:33] yay [14:33] package doesn't tell [14:33] "Repacked upstream tarball" i think [14:33] yeah, but why [14:33] oxygen mouse cursors have to be packaged separately - it will not be part of kde 4.0 [14:33] they have removed something [14:33] or changed [14:33] or something strange at least [14:33] and I think we should have them in next kde4 RC/release [14:33] "and removed andybold.ttf which is non-free." [14:34] are we allowed to do it? [14:34] ha [14:34] jpatrick++ [14:34] I mean, we would have a different alternative in /etc/alternatives than Ubuntu does [14:34] apachelogger_: wrong channel [14:34] * mhb likes them [14:34] jpatrick: wrong channel? [14:35] mhb: why not? oxygen guys would be happy [14:35] * mhb would be, too [14:35] well, okay. [14:35] apachelogger_: insanity not here :) [14:35] it can't be that hard to package. [14:35] omg!!!! [14:35] jpatrick++ [14:35] ~part [14:35] haha [14:36] * apachelogger_ starts merging the packages [14:37] mhb: something like dmz-cursor-theme we use now [14:37] too bad I have to learn these proofs... :o( [14:37] no time. [14:38] http://moronland.net/moronia/moron/1023/ "Careless Coding Causes Killer Kangaroos" [14:39] apachelogger_: here's a little everyone must remember merging: http://www.lag.net/random/leisure-c.jpg [14:40] lol [14:42] lol [14:44] Killer Kangaroos... that's great! [14:50] bah, no cdbs is a pain in the ass -.- [14:57] awful, simply awful [14:57] jpatrick: testbuilding pokerth now [14:57] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3090/ [14:57] anyone have any idea what that means? [14:58] * apachelogger_ remembers that error [14:58] but I dunno how I fixed it, neither do I remember the application it appeared for :( [14:59] jpatrick: pbuilder is up-to-date? [14:59] apachelogger_: that's the build daemon throwing up [14:59] not good [15:00] really weird how it built here and not there [15:02] seriouly: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmplayer/1:0.10.0c-0ubuntu1 [15:02] fails some, success one, chroot problem two [15:03] different gcc version? [15:03] the bug seems to be in glib though, not in kmplayer [15:05] I wonder if adding --as-needed will fix it [15:06] line 108, 109 [15:06] ouble g_test_timer_elapsed (void); // elapsed secondsa [15:06] double g_test_timer_last (void); // repeat last elapsed() result [15:06] htat looks fine [15:08] well, I'll try that later [15:08] first -> new tork [15:09] -.- [15:09] build br0ke [15:09] woohoo [15:09] ich habe dir es gesagt :p [15:09] mein paket war besser :P [15:09] ha [15:10] jpatrick: i know why your build fails [15:10] omg [15:10] i said those 2 lines are right [15:10] they are not [15:10] CheGuevara: do tell :) [15:10] / is not C99 style comment [15:10] double g_test_timer_elapsed (void); /* elapsed seconds */ [15:10] meh [15:10] would be the right one [15:11] so a strict compiler will fail [15:11] so... what should I do? [15:11] patch it [15:11] http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/glib/trunk/glib/gtestutils.h?r1=6151&r2=6185 [15:12] apachelogger_: yes, but how I meant :p [15:12] jpatrick: like CheGuevara told you :P [15:16] well i bet there's a way to tell gcc to relax the standard [15:16] so you got a choice to patch glib or your kmplayer [15:17] I think I'd patch kmplayer [15:17] since I hardly any idea on glib [15:17] glib patch is from upstream though :P [15:20] but glib is in main [15:22] so is kmplayer.. [15:22] oh right [15:24] which will give me problems trying to get a fix in [15:24] depends how fast you have a turnaround. [15:24] if you can provide a debdiff in the next 6 minutes, I can upload it. [15:24] mozilla team will want that fix in glib as well [15:25] because it was made to fix xulrunner compilation in the first place [15:26] jpatrick: if you're unsure which to proceed, I'd ask pitti in #ubuntu-devel. My inclination is to proceed with glib. [15:26] crimsun: probably best to ask pitti [15:27] crimsun: if glib already got a nice patch system i can give u a debdiff quick, the fix is trivial [15:28] it does [15:28] yes, it uses quilt. [15:28] unfortunately, I am now running out the door to meet my folks for lunch. [15:29] if someone doesn't care for it within the next six hours (highly unlikely), I can look tonight. [15:29] kk [15:29] * Jucato never cares for anything :P [15:31] jpatrick: preparing a glib now, gotta build test it first though [15:31] CheGuevara: take your time, I'm bashing up tork [15:43] jjesse!!!!!! === hsitter is now known as apachelogger [15:50] bug 179119 [15:50] Launchpad bug 179119 in glib2.0 "glib 2.15 not clean with -pedantic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179119 [15:51] CheGuevara: better tell the guys in #ubuntu-devel [15:51] will do [15:51] after my debdiff is done :P [15:52] and you look at it :) [15:52] Heya [15:52] hi bddebian [15:53] Hello jpatrick [15:53] hi bddebian [15:53] happy new ear [15:53] Hi Jucato [15:53] year* [15:53] jpatrick: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=pokerth === \sh is now known as \sh_away [15:54] apachelogger: it's not a new package, no approval needed [15:55] okay [15:55] * apachelogger dputs to ubuntu [15:55] jpatrick: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11089726/glib.debdiff [15:55] check the style please [15:57] CheGuevara: looks good [15:58] jpatrick: you recon i should ping pitti ? [15:59] CheGuevara: yeah, he'd know best [16:00] too bad Hobbsee went [16:03] no, she'll probably poke you with the stick to death [16:04] true [16:04] lol [16:31] jpatrick: btw, kmplayer compiles fine for me locally as well [16:31] without fixed glib that is [16:31] CheGuevara: see? I don't get it [16:34] hmmm [16:41] jpatrick: did you add the pedantic patch or is it from debian? [16:42] CheGuevara: think so [16:44] jpatrick: you think its which one :P [16:44] CheGuevara: arg, missed out the "or is it". Yep if it doesn't have kubuntu_ it's from Debian [16:45] kk cool [16:46] brb food === dasKreech_ is now known as dasKreech [17:14] jpatrick: this is really weird [17:15] that error should only be an error if its compiled wtih -pedantic in C(XX)FLAGS [17:15] CheGuevara: that's basically what I've been saying all along mate -.- [17:15] jpatrick: yeah i know just wanna get to the bottom of it lol [17:16] ok :) [17:19] hi all [17:19] hi [17:29] jpatrick: i think its the -ansi flag [17:29] CheGuevara: hmm [17:30] jpatrick: but its irrelevant now, mozilla team is gonna sponsor my debdiff i think [17:30] for glib that is [17:31] CheGuevara: good, I was wondering what set that flag [17:31] should be the makefile [17:32] ah, I was looking for a ./configure thing [17:33] from man gcc [17:33] For the C compiler, it [17:33] disables recognition of C++ style // comments as well as [17:33] the "inline" keyword. [17:36] btw [17:37] this all still doesn't explain why it builds on local [17:37] :P [17:40] ya [17:40] $magic++ [17:50] CheGuevara: tell me when it's done so I can reupload kmplayer with merges [17:50] jpatrick: yep [17:52] oh, no, wait, I can't [17:52] jpatrick: btw for the future the flags are set in acinclude.m4 [17:52] CXXFLAGS="-ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wchar-subscripts $CXXFLAGS" [17:52] oh yeah you cant [17:52] its in main [17:53] and our leader is still on hols [17:54] we can wait for hobbsee to wake up [17:59] Hello, how do you get OBDC support in Qt.. on kubuntu? [18:00] there are no packages for this.. [18:00] (but other distrobutions have them) [18:00] all rpm though/ [18:00] HS^: OBDC? [18:00] ugh ODBC .. [18:01] what's that? [18:01] i always spell it wrong [18:01] !bugs [18:01] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [18:01] its so you can connect to mssql databases with qt [18:01] HS^: file a wishlist bug there :) [18:02] can you post the url again please? [18:02] !bugs > HS^ [18:02] eww mssql [18:02] Im not sure if its a bug. But the package is missing, and it is strange. [18:03] HS^: it's a wish tho [18:03] CheGuevara, well some have to use it. [18:03] yeah you need to file a needs packaging bug [18:03] yes [18:03] is it difficult to make such a package you think? [18:03] i dont see the link though [18:05] ok ill fill it in. got the link. thank [18:05] s [18:05] http://www.easysoft.com/developer/libraries/qt/odbc.html [18:05] this the one? [18:05] yes it sais you have to build the Qt [18:06] so wont you end up with 2 different versions of Qt? [18:06] the one that kde and all apps rely on, and the one with just odbc support? [18:07] fedora/redhat/freebsd has a package or port thats name is 'qt4-odbc' [18:07] you can build it as a plug in [18:07] ok ill read the site [18:07] * stdin looks at the libqt3-mt-odbc package [18:08] ... [18:08] and libqt3-odbc [18:08] nah i want standard odbc, not from easysoft.. (reason is i have to use it for internship, and want to prepare a bit) [18:08] yes thats qt3 not qt4 [18:09]