[00:28] <dasKreech> Jucato: they threw nixternal in the news as well :)
[00:29] <Jucato> :O
[00:30] <Jucato> where?
[00:30] <dasKreech> http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/263161/b6cd41ede0d8629f/
[00:31] <Jucato> ah
[00:55] <stdin> ardchoille: wow, that's some LP page :p
[00:56] <ardchoille> stdin: Thanks. I'd love to clean it up if I could learn how to do  [http://www.blah.com This is the blah page]
[00:57] <ardchoille> instead of having  http://www.blah.com ; This is the blah page  in the page
[00:57] <stdin> mine looks very bare now, and the small bit of info on it was only recently added
[00:58] <ardchoille> I see
[00:58] <stdin> even your wiki page is better laid out than mine, but I do hate wikis....
[00:58] <ardchoille> Oh, and <b>blah</b> would be nice too
[00:59] <ardchoille> I used examples from other people's pages for that :)
[01:00] <stdin> I never get around to it, I'd rather figure out how to bounce email around my lan (which I actually did today)
[01:00] <ardchoille> hehe
[01:01] <stdin> spend the last few mins emailing myself on my server and replying via sendmail over ssh
[01:01]  * stdin got his geek on
[01:01] <ardchoille> stdin: Not sure it's a good thing to be talking to one's self :P
[01:02] <stdin> probably not, but I get better conversation out of myself than most people I know :p
[01:02] <ardchoille> hahahaha
[01:25] <CheGuevara> Netscape Navigator, now owned by AOL, will no longer be supported after 1 February 2008, the company has said.
[01:25] <dasKreech_> Yeah
[01:25] <dasKreech_> I posted on it already
[01:26] <dasKreech_> it flooded planet.mozilla.org
[01:26] <dasKreech_> I was liking 9 too
[01:30] <CheGuevara> yeah lots of ppl sare saying that they got it with 9
[01:31] <dasKreech_> Bah
[01:32] <dasKreech_> So starting next year will be the first time there is no Netscape browser since Mosiac was first challenged
[01:32] <CheGuevara> yep
[01:33]  * dasKreech_ ponders the death of KDE
[01:33] <CheGuevara> oh noes
[01:33] <CheGuevara> :P
[01:35]  * dasKreech_ shakes magic FOSS dust over KDE
[01:35] <dasKreech_> that should do it
[01:35] <ardchoille> hehe
[01:57] <ryanakca> Jucato: your Post-Christmas Angst made for an interesting read :)
[01:57]  * ryanakca never knew anything about it... but I guess you could attribute that to the fact that I've been away for the past couple weeks...
[01:58] <dasKreech> ryanakca: Well that's why he blonts
[01:58] <dasKreech> that and to get on mainstream news :)
[02:04] <apachelogger> lol
[02:14] <CheGuevara> good night
[02:17] <dasKreech> night
[07:12] <dasKreech> Hmm
[07:12] <dasKreech> Red Hat Defrocked
[07:12] <dasKreech> well good night
[09:13] <Tm_T> hyvää päivää
[09:25] <Lure> Tm_T: ditto
[09:30] <Tm_T> Lure: agreed
[09:30] <Lure> Tm_T: ;-)
[09:31] <Tm_T> you're trying to hit me?
[09:47] <blueyed> Hi
[09:48] <blueyed> Has somebody a dist-upgraded kubuntu box at hand (feisty => gutsy)?
[09:49] <blueyed> Then please provide the output of "dpkg -L kde-systemsettings | grep merged"
[09:49] <blueyed> I think /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/system-settings-merge.menu would be still installed, but I'm not sure.
[09:58] <Tm_T> blueyed:
[09:58] <Tm_T> /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/system-settings-merge.menu
[09:58] <Tm_T> /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/system-settings-merge.menu
[09:58] <blueyed> Thanks, Tm_T. This confirms my guess / observation.
[10:58] <blueyed> Hi Hobbsee
[10:59] <blueyed> Does anybody have an opinion on bug 50320? (see the screenshot with the patch at the end)
[10:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50320 in kde-systemsettings "Kubuntu's system settings app doesn't handle file associations" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50320
[11:01] <Hobbsee> heya blueyed
[11:01]  * Jucato stays away fro kss...
[11:01] <blueyed> Jucato: why?
[11:02] <Jucato> it's a very "unstable" app... identity-wise... imho
[11:02] <blueyed> But it won't get any better if you stay away from it, does it? ;)
[11:02] <Jucato> on one hand, it's supposed to be simplistic, only containing those modules that can't be reached from other settings/apps...
[11:03] <blueyed> e.g. the "missing file associations" tool is often requested and I'm happy to just have to pickup some patch.
[11:03] <Jucato> and on the other hand... some of those modules are also necessary in some use/corner cases (like this case, and the case of panels)
[11:03] <Jucato> blueyed: almost every module taken out of system settings is "often requested" :D
[11:04] <Jucato> as I don't personally see eye to eye with kss, I tend to just stay away :P
[11:05] <blueyed> Jucato: I see, I'm using kcontrol myself - but apparently kss is the default and therefor should provide e.g. "file types". I can also see that it's easier for the average user: kcontrol is quite messy IMHO.
[11:06] <Jucato> blueyed: although, system settings in kde4 has gotten a lot better, appearance-wise
[11:07] <Jucato> blueyed: that's the thing about kss. I don't think we really got down to having a guideline of what to include and what to exclude... el (openusability) was only available for one development iteration, and that's all the usability help we got for kss
[11:08] <Jucato> blueyed: hm... about the patch now (technical details)
[11:09] <blueyed> yes. I'm not sure myself either, if it's better to have a submenu "Default Applications" now (with two "files" in it) or better to have "file types" next to the current "default apps" file.
[11:09] <Jucato> last time I tried to readd launch feedback, I did it the same way as slammer did, by modifying the .menu file. later on I was told (I think by Tonio) that the preferred way was to modify the Categories of the kcm's .desktop files instead
[11:10] <Jucato> so instead of modifying the .menu file, you modify the filetypes kcm's .desktop file. not 100% sure on tht
[11:11] <blueyed> Jucato: launch feedback? or do you mean in general?
[11:11] <Jucato> basically any kcm you want readded to system settings.
[11:12] <Jucato> that's iirc and afaik only
[11:12] <blueyed> hmm.. then I'll leave it for now.. ;) I've just packaged this patch, while creating a debdiff for another bug.
[11:13] <Jucato> blueyed: well, there's no harm in submitting the patch anyway. If I'm wrong (I usually am), then at least you have a working patch now :)
[11:13] <blueyed> I'm not sure though, if I should subscribe u-m-s, as Riddel should look at it before IMHO anyway.
[11:26] <Tm_T> now we know why Ubuntu is brown: http://www.flickr.com/photos/emrahunal/2131208665/
[11:52] <jpatrick> hi Lure
[11:53] <Jucato> hi jpatrick, hi Lure!
[11:53] <jpatrick> hi Jucato!
[11:55] <Lure> hi jpatrick, Jucato
[11:56]  * Lure is happy as FOSS ati drivers do desktop effects properly in kde4
[11:56] <Jucato> yay :)
[11:57] <jpatrick> about the lp l10n thing, do we synchronize between projects?
[12:05] <fdoving> any of you managed to get xcb video things working in kde4?
[12:47] <kenkku> who/what sets ${misc:Depends}?
[12:47] <buz> Lure: for what ati chipset?
[12:48] <Lure> ATI FireGL V5000
[12:48] <Lure> buz: funny thing is that it worked in FOSS before in fglrx (ATI just released FireGL support last week)
[12:48] <Tm_T> hi kenkku
[12:49] <kenkku> moi, Tm_T
[12:49] <Tm_T> kenkku: #ubuntu-motu could be a good place for packaging issues
[12:49] <buz> ah thats R300
[12:49] <buz> yeah that sort of works :P
[12:49] <kenkku> Tm_T: yeah, might be, although I've gotten help here, too
[12:49] <Tm_T> kenkku: sure :)
[13:02] <iRon> Happy New Year! Drink, Drink, Drink! Bye! :-) I'm off :)
[13:35] <pan_> hi all
[13:35] <CheGuevara> hi
[13:36] <pan_> I'm a linux n00b with some spare time
[13:36] <pan_> how can i help kubuntu?
[13:36] <CheGuevara> happen to know any programming?
[13:36] <pan_> a litlle bit of c
[13:37] <CheGuevara> hmmm
[13:37] <CheGuevara> we always need help in bug hunting/triaging
[13:37] <CheGuevara> or you could learn how to package, if you are willing, we always need that as well
[13:38] <pan_> I think I could do some bug hunting
[13:38] <CheGuevara> there will be a lot to do for everyone in a couple of weeks, when kde 4 comes out
[13:38] <pan_> bug hunting means trying kubuntu and see what needs to be fixed?
[13:39] <CheGuevara> yep
[13:39] <CheGuevara> triaging is looking through other reports and confirming/denying them
[13:40] <pan_> I don't think I have the knowledge to confirm or deny someone's bug report
[13:41] <CheGuevara> well you learn :)
[13:41] <CheGuevara> but yeah bug hunting is always needed as well
[13:41] <CheGuevara> but for that you gotta be willing the latest development version
[13:42] <pan_> hmmm........compiling stuff if I don't get any errors I'm ok with it
[13:42] <pan_> I would like to try kde 4 can you point me to a tutorial to compile it
[13:43] <CheGuevara> you running gutsy or hardy?
[13:43] <pan_> Ubuntu 7.04
[13:43] <CheGuevara> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[13:44] <pan_> I tryed that but most things don't work
[13:45] <pan_> i thought it was broken or something
[13:45] <pan_> I'll boot it from a usb flash is that ok?
[13:46] <CheGuevara> hmm what doesnt work?
[13:46] <CheGuevara> yeah should be
[13:46] <pan_> some icons are on the wronk place on the screen
[13:47] <pan_> some applications  crash for no good reason
[13:47] <CheGuevara> icons? rc2 doesn't allow desktop icons as far as i remember
[13:47] <CheGuevara> yeah some applications crash, thats true (especially plasma)
[13:47] <pan_> icons from the system try
[13:47] <CheGuevara> if you are willing you can compile kde 4 from svn
[13:47] <CheGuevara> its much much more stable
[13:48] <pan_> can I install it on top of ubuntu
[13:48] <CheGuevara> yeah, you basically create a new user and install everything in its /home directory
[13:48] <CheGuevara> so the rest of your system is not affected
[13:49] <pan_> that sounds ok for me
[13:49] <CheGuevara> thats hwat i do, then update it once a week to see progress
[13:49] <CheGuevara> let me link u
[13:50] <pan_> ok
[13:50] <CheGuevara> http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Build/KDE4
[13:50] <CheGuevara> here u go
[13:50] <pan_> thanks
[13:50] <CheGuevara> np :P
[13:51] <pan_> how long does it take to compile?
[13:51] <pan_> dual core 1.6 ghz
[13:52] <CheGuevara> make sure you use -j3 where it says -j2 in that tutorial for dual core
[13:52] <CheGuevara> will probably take 1-2 hours
[13:53] <pan_> ok
[14:08] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: can you give back kmplayer? Now that the buildds are fixed
[14:09] <Jucato> Hobbsee took some stuff again? :D
[14:10] <apachelogger_> <-- is playing poker :P
[14:11]  * jpatrick pokes apachelogger_ 
[14:11] <apachelogger_> meh
[14:11] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: I'll need an advocate soon :P
[14:11] <jpatrick> for what?
[14:11] <apachelogger_> (1st) xmas package
[14:12] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: richtig, sag mir wann du es brachst
[14:12] <apachelogger_> wb milian
[14:13] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: ok :)
[14:18] <milian> moin apachelogger_
[14:18]  * apachelogger_ is uploading PokerTH to revu
[14:19] <apachelogger_> milian: how is it going?
[14:19] <milian> apachelogger_: all good :]
[14:20] <apachelogger_> arrsome
[14:20]  * apachelogger_ starts dancing
[14:20] <apachelogger_> Oo
[14:20] <apachelogger_> omg
[14:20] <apachelogger_> revu is toally filled up
[14:22] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: given back
[14:22] <CheGuevara> lazy MOTUs :P
[14:22] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: thank you
[14:22] <Hobbsee> bah.
[14:22] <Hobbsee> there's other stuff to do, apart from reviewing new packages.
[14:22] <Jucato> good Hobbsee :D
[14:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[14:23]  * Hobbsee --> bed
[14:23] <jpatrick> actually it's hobbsee->goToBed();
[14:23] <apachelogger_> I'd rather search nu good music than revu :P
[14:24]  * mhb thinks it's hobbsee.goToBed();
[14:24] <Jucato> depends on whether "hobbsee" is a pointer or an object name or reference to an object :)
[14:24]  * apachelogger_ agress with mhb, without ; though
[14:24] <apachelogger_> ruby ftw!
[14:24] <jpatrick> yes, ruby ftw!
[14:24] <Jucato> hahah
[14:25] <mhb> ruby ftw, but without ";" it's python
[14:25] <apachelogger_> mhb: I refer to read it as ruby :P
[14:25] <jpatrick> or ruby
[14:25] <apachelogger_> *prefer
[14:26] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: this builds?
[14:27] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: pokerth?
[14:27] <jpatrick> ja
[14:27] <apachelogger_> ja
[14:27] <apachelogger_> on gutsy and hardy actually ;-)
[14:27] <jpatrick> because I had some bad experience with 1 binary packages + .install files
[14:27] <jpatrick> something with dh_build not being in multipackage mode
[14:27] <apachelogger_> never had that
[14:28]  * apachelogger_ packages most qt apps without install function using a .install
[14:29] <apachelogger_> actually
[14:29] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: hod on a second
[14:29]  * apachelogger_ is wondering
[14:29] <apachelogger_> that package already is in debian and our universe
[14:29]  * apachelogger_ investigates
[14:30] <jpatrick> just nur it
[14:31] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: nur it?
[14:31] <jpatrick> new upstream release
[14:31] <apachelogger_> meh
[14:32]  * apachelogger_ has to repackage using the 0.5 in universe
[14:32]  * apachelogger_ is wondering why it is dfsg'd though
[14:33] <apachelogger_> yay
[14:33] <apachelogger_> package doesn't tell
[14:33] <jpatrick> "Repacked upstream tarball" i think
[14:33] <apachelogger_> yeah, but why
[14:33] <Lure> oxygen mouse cursors have to be packaged separately - it will not be part of kde 4.0
[14:33] <apachelogger_> they have removed something
[14:33] <apachelogger_> or changed
[14:33] <apachelogger_> or something strange at least
[14:33] <Lure> and I think we should have them in next kde4 RC/release
[14:33] <jpatrick> "and removed andybold.ttf which is non-free."
[14:34] <mhb> are we allowed to do it?
[14:34] <apachelogger_> ha
[14:34] <apachelogger_> jpatrick++
[14:34] <mhb> I mean, we would have a different alternative in /etc/alternatives than Ubuntu does
[14:34] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: wrong channel
[14:34]  * mhb likes them
[14:34] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: wrong channel?
[14:35] <Lure> mhb: why not? oxygen guys would be happy
[14:35]  * mhb would be, too
[14:35] <mhb> well, okay.
[14:35] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: insanity not here :)
[14:35] <mhb> it can't be that hard to package.
[14:35] <apachelogger_> omg!!!!
[14:35] <apachelogger_> jpatrick++
[14:35] <apachelogger_> ~part
[14:35] <jpatrick> haha
[14:36]  * apachelogger_ starts merging the packages
[14:37] <Lure> mhb: something like dmz-cursor-theme we use now
[14:37] <mhb> too bad I have to learn these proofs... :o(
[14:37] <mhb> no time.
[14:38] <Jucato> http://moronland.net/moronia/moron/1023/ "Careless Coding Causes Killer Kangaroos"
[14:39] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: here's a little everyone must remember merging: http://www.lag.net/random/leisure-c.jpg
[14:40] <apachelogger_> lol
[14:42] <CheGuevara> lol
[14:44] <wolfger> Killer Kangaroos... that's great!
[14:50] <apachelogger_> bah, no cdbs is a pain in the ass -.-
[14:57] <apachelogger_> awful, simply awful
[14:57] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: testbuilding pokerth now
[14:57] <jpatrick> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3090/
[14:57] <jpatrick> anyone have any idea what that means?
[14:58]  * apachelogger_ remembers that error
[14:58] <apachelogger_> but I dunno how I fixed it, neither do I remember the application it appeared for :(
[14:59] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: pbuilder is up-to-date?
[14:59] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: that's the build daemon throwing up
[14:59] <apachelogger_> not good
[15:00] <jpatrick> really weird how it built here and not there
[15:02] <jpatrick> seriouly: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmplayer/1:0.10.0c-0ubuntu1
[15:02] <jpatrick> fails some, success one, chroot problem two
[15:03] <CheGuevara> different gcc version?
[15:03] <CheGuevara> the bug seems to be in glib though, not in kmplayer
[15:05] <jpatrick> I wonder if adding --as-needed will fix it
[15:06] <CheGuevara> line 108, 109
[15:06] <CheGuevara> ouble  g_test_timer_elapsed            (void); // elapsed secondsa
[15:06] <CheGuevara> double  g_test_timer_last               (void); // repeat last elapsed() result
[15:06] <CheGuevara> htat looks fine
[15:08] <jpatrick> well, I'll try that later
[15:08] <jpatrick> first -> new tork
[15:09] <apachelogger_> -.-
[15:09] <apachelogger_> build br0ke
[15:09] <apachelogger_> woohoo
[15:09] <jpatrick> ich habe dir es gesagt :p
[15:09] <apachelogger_> mein paket war besser :P
[15:09] <CheGuevara> ha
[15:10] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: i know why your build fails
[15:10] <apachelogger_> omg
[15:10] <CheGuevara> i said those 2 lines are right
[15:10] <CheGuevara> they are not
[15:10] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: do tell :)
[15:10] <CheGuevara> / is not C99 style comment
[15:10] <CheGuevara> double  g_test_timer_elapsed            (void); /* elapsed seconds */
[15:10] <apachelogger_> meh
[15:10] <CheGuevara> would be the right one
[15:11] <CheGuevara> so a strict compiler will fail
[15:11] <jpatrick> so... what should I do?
[15:11] <apachelogger_> patch it
[15:11] <CheGuevara> http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/glib/trunk/glib/gtestutils.h?r1=6151&r2=6185
[15:12] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: yes, but how I meant :p
[15:12] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: like CheGuevara told you :P
[15:16] <CheGuevara> well i bet there's a way to tell gcc to relax the standard
[15:16] <CheGuevara> so you got a choice to patch glib or your kmplayer
[15:17] <jpatrick> I think I'd patch kmplayer
[15:17] <jpatrick> since I hardly any idea on glib
[15:17] <CheGuevara> glib patch is from upstream though :P
[15:20] <CheGuevara> but glib is in main
[15:22] <jpatrick> so is kmplayer..
[15:22] <CheGuevara> oh right
[15:24] <jpatrick> which will give me problems trying to get a fix in
[15:24] <crimsun> depends how fast you have a turnaround.
[15:24] <crimsun> if you can provide a debdiff in the next 6 minutes, I can upload it.
[15:24] <CheGuevara> mozilla team will want that fix in glib as well
[15:25] <CheGuevara> because it was made to fix xulrunner compilation in the first place
[15:26] <crimsun> jpatrick: if you're unsure which to proceed, I'd ask pitti in #ubuntu-devel.  My inclination is to proceed with glib.
[15:26] <jpatrick> crimsun: probably best to ask pitti
[15:27] <CheGuevara> crimsun: if glib already got a nice patch system i can give u a debdiff quick, the fix is trivial
[15:28] <CheGuevara> it does
[15:28] <crimsun> yes, it uses quilt.
[15:28] <crimsun> unfortunately, I am now running out the door to meet my folks for lunch.
[15:29] <crimsun> if someone doesn't care for it within the next six hours (highly unlikely), I can look tonight.
[15:29] <CheGuevara> kk
[15:29]  * Jucato never cares for anything :P
[15:31] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: preparing a glib now, gotta build test it first though
[15:31] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: take your time, I'm bashing up tork
[15:43] <Jucato> jjesse!!!!!!
[15:50] <CheGuevara> bug 179119
[15:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179119 in glib2.0 "glib 2.15 not clean with -pedantic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179119
[15:51] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: better tell the guys in #ubuntu-devel
[15:51] <CheGuevara> will do
[15:51] <CheGuevara> after my debdiff is done :P
[15:52] <CheGuevara> and you look at it :)
[15:52] <bddebian> Heya
[15:52] <jpatrick> hi bddebian
[15:53] <bddebian> Hello jpatrick
[15:53] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[15:53] <Jucato> happy new ear
[15:53] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[15:53] <Jucato> year*
[15:53] <apachelogger> jpatrick: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=pokerth
[15:54] <jpatrick> apachelogger: it's not a new package, no approval needed
[15:55] <apachelogger> okay
[15:55]  * apachelogger dputs to ubuntu
[15:55] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11089726/glib.debdiff
[15:55] <CheGuevara> check the style please
[15:57] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: looks good
[15:58] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: you recon i should ping pitti ?
[15:59] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: yeah, he'd know best
[16:00] <CheGuevara> too bad Hobbsee went
[16:03] <jpatrick> no, she'll probably poke you with the stick to death
[16:04] <CheGuevara> true
[16:04] <CheGuevara> lol
[16:31] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: btw, kmplayer compiles fine for me locally as well
[16:31] <CheGuevara> without fixed glib that is
[16:31] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: see? I don't get it
[16:34] <CheGuevara> hmmm
[16:41] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: did you add the pedantic patch or is it from debian?
[16:42] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: think so
[16:44] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: you think its which one :P
[16:44] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: arg, missed out the "or is it". Yep if it doesn't have kubuntu_ it's from Debian
[16:45] <CheGuevara> kk cool
[16:46] <CheGuevara> brb food
[17:14] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: this is really weird
[17:15] <CheGuevara> that error should only be an error if its compiled wtih -pedantic in C(XX)FLAGS
[17:15] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: that's basically what I've been saying all along mate -.-
[17:15] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: yeah i know just wanna get to the bottom of it lol
[17:16] <jpatrick> ok :)
[17:19] <dinosaur-rus> hi all
[17:19] <jpatrick> hi
[17:29] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: i think its the -ansi flag
[17:29] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: hmm
[17:30] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: but its irrelevant now, mozilla team is gonna sponsor my debdiff i think
[17:30] <CheGuevara> for glib that is
[17:31] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: good, I was wondering what set that flag
[17:31] <CheGuevara> should be the makefile
[17:32] <jpatrick> ah, I was looking for a ./configure thing
[17:33] <CheGuevara> from man gcc
[17:33] <CheGuevara> For the C compiler, it
[17:33] <CheGuevara>          disables recognition of C++ style // comments as well as
[17:33] <CheGuevara>          the "inline" keyword.
[17:36] <CheGuevara> btw
[17:37] <CheGuevara> this all still doesn't explain why it builds on local
[17:37] <CheGuevara> :P
[17:40] <jpatrick> ya
[17:40] <CheGuevara> $magic++
[17:50] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: tell me when it's done so I can reupload kmplayer with merges
[17:50] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: yep
[17:52] <jpatrick> oh, no, wait, I can't
[17:52] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: btw for the future the flags are set in acinclude.m4
[17:52] <CheGuevara> CXXFLAGS="-ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wchar-subscripts $CXXFLAGS"
[17:52] <CheGuevara> oh yeah you cant
[17:52] <CheGuevara> its in main
[17:53] <jpatrick> and our leader is still on hols
[17:54] <CheGuevara> we can wait for hobbsee to wake up
[17:59] <HS^> Hello, how do you get OBDC support in Qt.. on kubuntu?
[18:00] <HS^> there are no packages for this..
[18:00] <HS^> (but other distrobutions have them)
[18:00] <HS^> all rpm though/
[18:00] <jpatrick> HS^: OBDC?
[18:00] <HS^> ugh ODBC ..
[18:01] <jpatrick> what's that?
[18:01] <HS^> i always spell it wrong
[18:01] <jpatrick> !bugs
[18:01] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[18:01] <HS^> its so you can connect to mssql databases with qt
[18:01] <jpatrick> HS^: file a wishlist bug there :)
[18:02] <HS^> can you post the url again please?
[18:02] <jpatrick> !bugs > HS^
[18:02] <CheGuevara> eww mssql
[18:02] <HS^> Im not sure if its a bug. But the package is missing, and it is strange.
[18:03] <jpatrick> HS^: it's a wish tho
[18:03] <HS^> CheGuevara, well some have to use it.
[18:03] <CheGuevara> yeah you need to file a needs packaging bug
[18:03] <HS^> yes
[18:03] <HS^> is it difficult to make such a package you think?
[18:03] <HS^> i dont see the link though
[18:05] <HS^> ok ill fill it in. got the link. thank
[18:05] <HS^> s
[18:05] <CheGuevara> http://www.easysoft.com/developer/libraries/qt/odbc.html
[18:05] <CheGuevara> this the one?
[18:05] <HS^> yes it sais you have to build the Qt
[18:06] <HS^> so wont you end up with 2 different versions of Qt?
[18:06] <HS^> the one that kde and all apps rely on,  and the one with just odbc support?
[18:07] <HS^> fedora/redhat/freebsd has a package or port thats name is 'qt4-odbc'
[18:07] <CheGuevara> you can build it as a plug in
[18:07] <HS^> ok ill read the site
[18:07]  * stdin looks at the libqt3-mt-odbc package
[18:08] <CheGuevara> ...
[18:08] <stdin> and libqt3-odbc
[18:08] <HS^> nah i want standard odbc, not from easysoft.. (reason is i have to use it for internship, and want to prepare a bit)
[18:08] <HS^> yes thats qt3 not qt4
[18:09] <stdin> libqt4-sql then ?
[18:09] <HS^> that doesnt include odbc,  here is the error:
[18:09] <HS^> QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QPSQL7 QPSQL QMYSQL3 QMYSQL QSQLITE QSQLITE2
[18:09] <HS^> which also sais in the package description
[18:10] <CheGuevara> so qt4 includes odbc ?
[18:11] <HS^> yes you have to ./configure with some argument
[18:11] <stdin> I would have thought /usr/include/qt4/QtSql/qsql_odbc.h was the right include
[18:11] <HS^> on windows odbc is standard included.
[18:11] <HS^> in linux they made seperate packages from it
[18:11] <CheGuevara> stdin: it could be, if it is package descrption probably needs an update
[18:13] <HS^> well i have qsql_odbc,  so i can compile ODBC programs, but i cant run them
[18:13] <CheGuevara> whats the error
[18:14] <HS^> QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QPSQL7 QPSQL QMYSQL3 QMYSQL QSQLITE QSQLITE2
[18:14] <HS^> QSqlDatabase: QODBC driver not loaded
[18:14] <CheGuevara> oh right
[18:15] <CheGuevara> yeah file a bug against libqt4-sql
[18:15] <CheGuevara> stating that the odbc driver is not built
[18:15] <CheGuevara> and attach a sample program
[18:17] <CheGuevara> and post the bug number here :P
[18:17] <HS^> ok
[18:20] <CheGuevara> bb in 20, off to the shop
[18:29] <HS^> bug number: 179254
[18:29] <jpatrick> bug #179254
[18:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179254 in ubuntu-bots "libqt4-sql does not include QODBC" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179254
[18:42] <HS^> ehmm i think i posted it wrong
[18:42] <HS^> that sais ubuntu IRC bots bugs
[18:45] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: uploaded
[18:47] <HS^> bug #179261
[18:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179261 in qt4-x11 "libqt4-sql does not include QODBC" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179261
[18:47]  * CheGuevara  takes a look
[18:47] <CheGuevara> bug report looks good
[18:50] <CheGuevara> hmmm i swear iwl3945 makes internet slower then ipw3945
[18:51] <CheGuevara> HS^: what a quick line to compile that test program
[18:52] <HS^> yes but it generates the warning
[18:53] <CheGuevara> HS^: sorry i meant to ask what is the line to compile it?
[18:56] <HS^> i built with kdevelop, but if you have paths correct i think  , qmake -project && qmake && make'
[18:56] <CheGuevara> hmm
[18:56] <CheGuevara> g++ -o 1 1.cpp -Wall -I /usr/include/qt4/ -L /usr/lib/qt4/ibgn -Wchar-subscripts $CXXFLAG
[18:56] <CheGuevara> should work
[18:57] <CheGuevara> umm i mean
[18:57] <CheGuevara> g++ -o 1 1.cpp -Wall -I /usr/include/qt4/ -L /usr/lib/qt4/
[19:02] <HS^> this works
[19:03] <HS^> g++ -c -pipe -g -Wall -W -D_REENTRANT -DQT_SHARED -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_SQL_LIB -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I. -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtSql -I/usr/include/qt4 -I. -I. -I. -o test.o test.cpp
[19:03] <HS^> hm some doubles in it but well.. i use kdevelop to that stuff for me
[19:03] <HS^> anyway thanks.
[19:26] <CheGuevara> jpatrick:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-December/003747.html
[19:26] <CheGuevara> i am off for a bit
[19:26] <CheGuevara> cya
[19:26] <jpatrick> later
[19:39] <TuxMan> hello
[19:40] <TuxMan> I'm torrent downloading hardy iso. almost done :-)
[19:42] <TuxMan> I'm glad you Kubuntu guys aren't like the Ubuntu guys who make .iso's. The Live CD actually fits on a CD, not a Live DVD
[20:06] <TuxMan> Ooohhh.. hardy CD finished burning. reboot time. I'll let ya know if it works ;-)
[20:15] <TuxMan> this is just.. wrong. I burned an iso that claimed to be Kubuntu 8.04.
[20:15] <TuxMan> IT'S 7.10!!!
[20:15] <TuxMan> !hardy
[20:16] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[20:16] <nixternal> hahaha
[20:16] <nixternal> where did you download the iso from?
[20:16] <TuxMan> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[20:16] <nixternal> did you get it from the daily/daily-live for Kubuntu?
[20:16] <TuxMan> wha?
[20:17] <nixternal> where exactly did you download it from
[20:17] <nixternal> link wise
[20:17] <TuxMan> let me find it again.
[20:17] <nixternal> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[20:17] <nixternal> that is the live cd, latest image
[20:17] <nixternal> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/
[20:17] <nixternal> that is the alternate cd, latest image
[20:18] <nixternal> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/8.04/alpha-2/
[20:18] <nixternal> and that is the alpha 2 image
[20:18] <TuxMan> Gaa! Now I have to go out to the barn and get another empty CD!
[20:18] <TuxMan> I have a barn next to my house :-P
[20:18] <nixternal> I take it you didn't grab from one of those links?
[20:19] <TuxMan> I'll be back once I restart my comp and get another CD
[20:58] <jpatrick> imbrandon: ping
[20:59] <jpatrick> better put: main-sponsers-in-here: ping
[21:10] <nixternal> hehe
[21:10] <nixternal> this kdebindings package is really retarded
[21:10] <nixternal> it builds slow as hell, I added 2 more deps it needs, and now it crashes out on the builds complaining...typical
[21:12] <jpatrick> something to do with glib?
[21:22] <nixternal> no, cuz it was crashing before and after the upgrade
[21:22] <nixternal> it has to do with libqwt5-qt4-dev
[21:38] <TuxMan> hello, can someone help me get KDE4 onto Hardy Heron? every kde4 package I try to install says it will break the system..
[21:39] <TuxMan> somehow I accidentally got KDE3 stead of 4
[21:40] <TuxMan> ...hello?
[21:43] <jpatrick> https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds
[21:43] <jpatrick> security machine doing Building kde4libs 4:3.97.0-3ubuntu3  for Ubuntu Hardy (release)
[21:45] <jpatrick> blah, I suppose it was a slip
[21:55] <fdoving> http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry1920.html
[21:57] <jpatrick> hmm, saw that through planet.u.c
[21:58] <fdoving> his conclusion isn't that bad.
[21:59] <fdoving> the headline was more scary :]
[22:22] <nixternal> jpatrick: apt-get source libqwt5-qt4-dev
[22:22] <nixternal> tell me if you notice anything wierd from the structure
[22:23]  * jpatrick does
[22:29]  * Jucato misread that as "dies"
[22:29]  * Jucato waves to nixternal
[22:29]  * nixternal waves back
[22:29] <jpatrick> nixternal: that *-dev.install has no headers?
[22:29] <Jucato> nixternal: http://jucato.org/gallery/v/photos/pets/penguin1.jpg.html :D
[22:30] <nixternal> ya, the .install's are goofy, it is missing stuff, and there is 2 subdirectories, debian/ and qwt-5.0.2/
[22:31] <nixternal> oh, that penguin is way cooler than my fat penguin
[22:31] <Jucato> hehehe
[22:31] <jpatrick> there's no libqwt5-qt4-dev in control?
[22:31] <nixternal> I deleted it, it gave me a headache looking at it
[22:31] <jpatrick> oh, wait there is
[22:32] <nixternal> but I know it doesn't work, because you can't build kdebindings with it
[22:33] <jpatrick> what error exactly?
[22:33] <nixternal> you can't build against it
[22:33] <nixternal> it doesn't recognize any of the qwt headers
[22:34] <nixternal> so if you remove it from build-depends, then kdebindings will build, just w/o qwt support
[22:34] <jpatrick> has no headers in it
[22:34] <nixternal> that package should be listed as "make sure you packages don't look like this"
[22:41] <jpatrick> nixternal: that package is just bad
[23:23] <Jucato> nixternal: may I bother you for a few quick seconds?
[23:23] <Jucato> (btw are you feeling better?)
[23:25] <Jucato> hm. ok nvm. I'm gone :P
[23:29] <Tm_T> Jucato: how gone?