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hydrogengrr00:04
hydrogenheres a belated rant00:04
WorkingOnWis1When I pick beagle to install via Synaptic, I am told that several package are not installable and beagle wont be installed. Is a repo dowm that can cause this?01:37
bmk789hardy 64-bit will be tickless, correct?01:38
WorkingOnWis1or is my system broke? Never can tell with betas...01:38
WorkingOnWis1tickless?01:38
bmk789the kernel01:38
crimsunbmk789: it already is, but yes.01:39
bmk789the new powersaving feature01:39
bmk789crimsun: ok thanks01:39
bmk789cant wait til april then, looking forward to the extended battery life01:40
crimsun(...you can already try Alpha 2)01:40
bmk789im setting up a vm for it now ;)01:40
bmk789since i dont want to completely rely on an alpha for daily stuff01:41
WorkingOnWis1what is the physical ram limit for 32 bit? I have seen 3, 3.4, 3.6-ish(??) and 4GB01:43
crimsunwithout PAE, 4 GB.01:43
WorkingOnWis1is there a performance advantage to running x64 Ubuntu as far as virtualization goes? Ubuntu host, Win guest?01:44
crimsunI have no experience, can't comment.01:45
bmk789WorkingOnWis1: theres not really any drawbacks to 64bit, so id go for it01:46
crimsunat least not for virtualisation IMO01:47
WorkingOnWis1bmk789: actually, I hit a major (to me) draw back today....java plugin is FUBAR in 64 bit. I know I can run 32 bit firefox, but not sure if thats any better...01:48
WorkingOnWis1so I'm considering stepping down to 3201:48
crimsunI'd recommend 32-bit for desktop straightaway.01:49
bmk789WorkingOnWis1: really?01:49
WorkingOnWis1at least till Ubuntu AMD64 is a bit more mature01:49
bmk789WorkingOnWis1: flash on 64bit has been exacly the same as on 3201:49
bmk789installed just as easy01:49
bmk789wait01:50
bmk789java01:50
bmk789my bad01:50
bmk789havent tried java yet01:50
WorkingOnWis1bmk789: flash is ok here, java ...hehe yeah...dont waste your time....01:50
WorkingOnWis1the plugins either dont work, or pretend to work but dont...01:50
WorkingOnWis1and java is pretty important to me. I wish it werent since I relly dont like it, but lots of web develpers seem to just love it!01:51
WorkingOnWis1so, short of running >4GB of ram, is there any advantage to using x64 right now over x32. I am on 64 now just so I can see it for myself, and unless I'm missing something, 64 bit is a waste of resources for my system. Turion x2 with 4GB ram.01:54
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Gnineafter upgrade, firestarter does not load02:49
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Gninei'll try reinstalling firestarter02:51
Gninelibhsqldb-java update issue: trying "partial upgrade" option fails02:53
Gnineremoving firestarter via applications > add/remove fails. turns unresponsive02:59
Gninesystem > about ubuntu   still refers to gutsy gibbon after upgrade03:02
cafuegoHow about you file bug reports as opposed to spamming the channel.03:11
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mohkohnIs anybody sucessfully running vmware on the 2.6.24 kernel?04:00
mohkohnvmware workstation?04:00
groovesaladi ran "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hdd1 /disk2 -0 force" to copy files from a windows hd, i also added a line to fstab, i deleted the line now that im done, but now it logs out as soon as i log in. i forgot to umount it, and i no longer have the drive. what should i do?04:35
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IdleOneis it just me or has there not been any updates for the past 2/3 days?05:01
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r00723r0Hi, I was upgrading to Hardy, and my computer froze. So I restarted. Now I can't do anything.05:28
r00723r0I am logged in but I don't have access to sudo.05:29
r00723r0Any suggestions?05:30
r00723r0Hello...05:33
Toma-Anyone got hardy installed in qemu?05:38
windwiny-ubuntu7Why not use VBox?06:08
Laser87r00723r0: type groups06:11
r00723r0Laser87: actually, right now I'm in the recovery console logged in as root.06:12
Laser87ok, then add your user to admin06:13
r00723r0My user is in admin.06:14
r00723r0It tells me it's unable to resolve my host.06:15
r00723r0Not that I can't login.06:15
Amaranthyour /etc/hosts is broken06:16
Amaranth127.0.0.1       localhost06:16
Amaranth127.0.1.1       sorrow06:16
Amaranthmake sure those two lines are in there, replace 'sorrow' with the name of your computer06:16
r00723r0It's there.06:17
r00723r0Ahh...06:20
r00723r0I had the host slightly wrong.06:20
r00723r0Now I can sudo.06:20
r00723r0But I still have no Internets.06:20
fantum13Hello, I believe I have found a bug in xorg, it isn't in Hardy, however. Would this be the channel where I could get some help as to how to reproduce it?06:25
crimsunerm, well, not really.06:25
crimsunif it's not reproducible in hardy, then you likely want to try #ubuntu-bugs06:26
crimsunkeep in mind that despite it being 1:26 AM localtime, the active triagers likely are asleep or on holiday.06:26
fantum13well, its that time for me too. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. It might be reproducible in hardy though, should I let you know what it is and how to duplicate it?06:27
r00723r0Anyone know?06:28
r00723r0When I try to run /etc/init.d/networking restart, it tells me all of my interfaces are unknown.06:29
r00723r0The modules are there, and I modprobed them.06:29
crimsunfantum13: in that case, it's still best to use both channels.06:29
fantum13crimsun: I'm in #ubuntu-bugs, but what I need is a simple thing that isn't realy connected.06:30
crimsunr00723r0: you haven't modified interfaces(5), have you?06:30
fantum13How can I send a keycode to X?06:30
r00723r0crimsun: I don't even know what that means.06:30
crimsunr00723r0: i.e., you're just using default network-manager?06:30
crimsunfantum13: try xsendkeycode in the lineakd package.06:33
fantum13thanks crimsun, I'll do that.06:33
crimsunr00723r0: restarting the networking initscript doesn't match what you likely think it does now that Ubuntu uses network-manager by default.06:34
r00723r0crimsun: I am at a loss.06:34
r00723r0For words.06:34
r00723r0I have no clue what that means.06:34
crimsunr00723r0: further, if you have not edited interfaces(5) [/etc/network/interfaces], then you are barking up the wrong tree.  You want to force-reload dbus, then restart dbus.06:35
r00723r0I have not edited it but when I look it seems normal. What do you mean with the dbus?06:36
crimsunr00723r0: I mean that manipulating network settings if your install uses network-manager [it would by default] requires finagling dbus, not interfaces(5).06:36
fantum13crimsun, do you think you could help me with this, even though it isn't in Heron?06:40
crimsunsorry, but I have to catch the metro in a few minutes so I can up early06:40
crimsuncan get up*06:40
fantum13alright, no problem06:41
fantum13could I ask a quick question about xsendkeycodes? you seem knowledgeable...06:41
fantum13specifically, my keyboard driver craps out and leaves this message in kernlog and syslog:06:43
fantum13Dec 29 00:12:35 Ashbringer kernel: [193932.022162] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xd8 on isa0060/serio0).06:44
fantum13Dec 29 00:12:35 Ashbringer kernel: [193932.022170] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e058 <keycode>' to make it known.06:44
fantum13however, xsendkeycode gives me an error when I try to send db or e058, what is it I should be setting?06:44
fantum13*sending?06:44
windwiny-ubuntu7notebook?06:46
r00723r0crimsun: ...what?06:46
fantum13Yeah, HP pavillion dv2000.06:46
r00723r0I still have no clue how to fix my Webnets.06:46
fantum13r00723r0: NetworkManager uses the lo interface just about exclusively. restarting all those other ones won't fix the problem.06:47
fantum13You need to use the init script for dbus to force-reload and restart, according to crimsun.06:48
r00723r0OK, so I just restarted dbus, if that's what you're talking about.06:49
windwiny-ubuntu7 /etc/init.d/dbus ?06:50
r00723r0Yes.06:50
windwiny-ubuntu7sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-input-all    -> reconfig keyboard ?06:51
fantum13I haven't modified it at all, and I want to reproduce the bug first.06:54
r00723r0windwiny-ubuntu7: me?06:55
fantum13r00723r0: no, that was at me I think.06:56
r00723r0Ahh.06:56
windwiny-ubuntu7:-D06:56
fantum13hm06:57
fantum13I can't get it to give me this erorr06:57
fantum13I want to feed it this "unknown keycode" but I'm not being able to06:57
fantum13would anyone mind if  pasted two lines?06:57
r00723r0fantum13: General rule is 3 lines tops. I don't know about this channel.06:57
fantum13okay, well, here goes06:58
fantum13Dec 29 00:12:35 Ashbringer kernel: [193932.022162] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xd8 on isa0060/serio0).06:58
fantum13Dec 29 00:12:35 Ashbringer kernel: [193932.022170] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e058 <keycode>' to make it known.06:58
fantum13That's put in my syslog and kernlog at the same time my keyboard craps out.06:58
fantum13I'm trying to duplicate that and get that put in my logs again, but xsendkeycodes wont' send hex, and the decimal of d8 and e058 are both valid keys06:59
fantum13oh, thats why07:00
fantum13I need to send the scancode07:00
fantum13not keycode07:00
windwiny-ubuntu7 fantum13, keyboard layout choose?07:00
fantum13I want to reproduce the bug first07:01
windwiny-ubuntu7dmesg | tail07:01
windwiny-ubuntu7[17280.778152] atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xb3 on isa0060/serio0).07:01
windwiny-ubuntu7[17280.778157] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e033 <keycode>' to make it known.    -->> LIKE THIS?07:01
fantum13yeah, I get a message like that just as my keyboard stops functioning.07:02
fantum13Is that already fixed/posted somewhere?07:02
windwiny-ubuntu7??  In my keyboard is special key, not work in Ubuntu and XP07:03
fantum13Well, that message is put in my logs right as X stops working with my keyboard.07:03
r00723r0My computer is telling me that "en_US" does not exist.07:21
windwiny-ubuntu7... .UTF-8 ?07:24
r00723r0I don't know.07:24
r00723r0But I need to get my Intradust working.07:25
r00723r0Because I have more packages to upgrade.07:25
timfrostr00723r0: what program is saying that?07:25
r00723r0Gnome.07:25
windwiny-ubuntu7 en_US.UTF-8 ?07:25
r00723r0I don't know.07:26
r00723r0It said just "en_US".07:26
timfrostr00723r0: what are you trying to do?  Note that apt-get will report that translations don't exist - because en_US is the default for the files that apt-get/aptitude/synaptic uses07:27
r00723r0Nevermind, forget the language issue.07:28
r00723r0I need Internet.07:28
timfrostr00723r0: what is the problem with internet?07:31
r00723r0I don't even know. I just don't have it.07:31
r00723r0When I try to restart /etc/init.d/networking, it tells me none of the devices are recognized.07:32
r00723r0Hello? Any help?08:03
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hyperhiho, when I encrypt my system then I can't boot any longer when I have my dvd-burner attached... a message comes hdc cannot be mounted or something similar.09:04
hyperhowever if I don't encrypt the system it can boot (the same message appears also upon installation)09:04
hyperwhere can I check if that bug is reported?09:05
Gninesynaptic, add/remove, firestarter and update manager are not loading/executing09:13
Gnineof which only add/remove actually opens UI at least. yet it does not function beyond app search09:22
Gninecorrection: update manager initialize UI but when 'partial upgrade' selected it will just 'hang'09:38
gozoanihello09:47
Gninesynaptic, add/remove, firestarter and update manager are not loading and/or not working properly.  system > about ubuntu  still says "gutsy 7.10"10:09
Gninecurrent kernel load average: 3 users   2.26, 2.44, 2.0710:11
Gnineno other issues detected10:12
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tralalahello ppl12:45
tralalaall in this channel run hardy heron ?12:46
rsknope12:46
tralala:P12:46
rskbut most i presume12:46
tralalaany1 who can share bugs ?12:46
rsklaunchpad can12:47
rskbut as a general rule in developments version, LOTS.12:47
tralalamine goes very good except 112:49
tralalahow can some1 search for bugs in launchpad ?12:50
rsksec12:50
rskhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/12:50
tralalatnx12:50
IdleOne!info lib64gcc113:56
ubotulib64gcc1: GCC support library (64bit). In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.2.2-4ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 26 kB, installed size 92 kB13:56
IdleOnewhy do I need lib64gcc1 if I am running 32bit ?13:57
Hobbseepeverse logic13:57
IdleOnedist-upgrade just installed it for some reason13:57
IdleOneHobbsee: I take offence to being called a pervert I prefer excentric :P13:58
Hobbsee:P13:58
IdleOneHobbsee: I guess the answer is nobody really knows13:59
IdleOnewell off to that place with the 4 letter word name ... have a good day folks14:00
stdinI think the real question is, why does libstdc++6 depend on lib64gcc114:04
Gninemy update-manager is b0rked14:05
Gninegives me a partial update complaint and dies14:06
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jussi01Gnine: tried apt-get install -f ?14:09
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Gnineno. i'll give it a try now14:26
Gninethanks jussi01 . be back in a minute with results14:26
Gninecommand returns : unable to resolve host (...)14:31
Gnineblood thickens14:32
Gninesudo is not recognizing me ?14:32
Gninenow thats a joke14:32
ArelisGuys, Gutsy is a real unstable system.. can't you release critical updates to harden everything BEFORE the release of hardy?15:34
bardyrArelis, whats the problem with gutsy?15:35
ArelisI've seen it breaking on me several times already15:35
hit#ubuntu for gutsy btw15:35
tralalait works for me with minus bugs15:36
rskArelis: what bugs?15:36
nanonymeArelis, meh, it's software. softare has a habit to break15:37
tralalawhen i login in desktop a massage come up with US_english not supported and will use the default15:37
ArelisBut that's my fault. I installed 20 window managers at the same time, and added an E17 repo. But, libraries were acting weirdly too, i couldn't start programs anymore. Also, the open-source 'radeon' driver keeps crashing and crashing. And i've searched the internet and saw a LOT of people have problems with Gutsy. Gutsy is easy to break. But, this is a system for beginners... but if you want to make begginners use it, then make the core rock15:37
bardyrArelis, that is what hardy is for 715:38
bardyr-715:38
Arelistoo bad it takes 6 months, because till that time, we all have an unstable system.15:39
nanonymemeh15:39
nanonymekeep with the old LTS ubuntu if you want stability15:39
bardyrArelis, gutsy is fine here15:39
nanonymewhat would it be, dapper?15:40
bardyryes15:40
nanonymeso unless gutsy brings something you need and you prefer a stable system to an up-to-date one, just downgrade to dapper :)15:42
nanonymethen use hardy when it's ready15:42
bardyror grab hardy now and have a unstable stable :D15:43
tralalathere is no linux that works 100% :/15:43
bardyrsure their is15:43
tralalai am all ears15:43
bardyrtralala, and unmodified debian stable?15:43
hithardy is stable for me now15:44
tralaladoes debian works with DVD-RW ?15:44
bardyrtralala, to install on?15:44
bardyrwith*15:44
tralalano to format and write on it15:44
bardyrwhy woudnt it? k3b burns everything15:45
tralalanope15:45
tralalaif u format with K3b disk will be unreadable15:46
tralalatbh im happy whith what i get with linux now but .... needs a few things more15:47
Areliswell, Debian doesn't work fine with my ATI card15:48
Arelisbut hold on, i need to reboot15:49
bardyrArelis, debian does not like closed source15:49
tralalawhat ATI do u have ?15:49
ArelisATI Radeon 960015:49
Arelistralala: ATI Radeon 960015:49
tralaladid u tried the restricted ?15:49
Arelisi think i did, but i had problems with it15:50
Arelisanyways.. reboot15:50
* Gnine considers changing nick to something female sounding16:10
Gninearelis is a whackolis16:11
Gninethe 20 questions queen16:12
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txwikingerIs there something broken with the bonobo package(s) on hardy?17:09
Infectohello17:27
Infectocan some one tel me, can i run update-manager -d on kubuntu?17:28
Gninei hope there is some kind of way of fixing "sudo: unable to resolve hostname [hostname]"17:28
Infectoadd to /etc/hosts?17:29
Gnineupgrade b0rked update-manager along with firestarter and add/remove17:29
nanonymecheck /etc/resolv.conf17:30
nanonymeto see if something borked dns17:30
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Gnine10-417:30
Infectoso? i read topic but `im not sure :) can i or not?17:30
nanonymeit's a free internet17:31
Infectoor you recomend just simply edit sources and apt-get dist-upgrade :)17:31
rothchildwith Hardy being the new LTS version will there be a simple upgrade route from Dapper?17:43
Gnineetc/resolvconf/update-libc.d contains avahi-deamon file only.17:44
Gninethere is only one instruction to check for dns in it. is that where the hostname should be specified as well?17:45
LjLrothchild: that should happen, yes17:48
Gninethere is no /etc/hosts folder in hardy17:55
Gninehowever, etc/avahi has a config file which does not specify any hostnames17:56
Gnineok.. found it.. etc/host present. was looking for a host folder .. :-/18:02
Gninebut sudo wont let me gedit it18:04
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denndathe latest x.org (7.3) in hardy also has better hotplug-support for external displays / beamers, hasn't it?18:13
dennda(just interested)18:14
Infectowlan0_rename wtf?19:23
Infectowhats that?19:23
Amaranthyour udev rules are broken19:24
Amaranthyou use iwl3945?19:24
Infectoyes19:24
Infectoso how to repair it?19:24
Amaranthlook in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules19:25
Amaranthsee the wlan0 line? paste it here19:25
Infecto/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules19:26
Infectoo ok19:26
Infectoi found it to :)19:26
Infectothanks19:26
Amaranthno no, paste the line i asked for19:26
Amaranthyou have to tweak it a little, i think19:26
Amaranthbut i need to see what it is now19:26
InfectoSUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:13:02:56:ba:42", NAME="eth1"19:27
Amaranthactually just pastebin the whole file19:27
Amaranth!pastebin19:27
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)19:27
Infectothere are 2 lines19:28
Infectoonly diffrence is betwene hw addr19:28
Infectoand eth1 eth019:28
Amaranthright, eth1 is probably your wireless19:28
Amaranthcomment that line out (put a # in front of it)19:28
Infectoyes19:28
Infectoalways was19:28
Infectothats all?19:28
AmaranthSUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:13:02:56:ba:4", ATTRS{type}=="1", NAME="wlan0"19:29
Amaranthadd that line19:29
Amarantherr, i forgot the 2 at the end19:29
Amaranthshould be 42, not 419:29
Infectook19:29
Amaranthreboot19:29
Infectoi dont understand19:31
Infectowhy change hw addres?19:31
Infectowhats the point?19:31
Infectoa19:31
Infectook19:31
Infectosry19:31
Infectoi just wake up19:32
Amaranthi didn't change the hw address, that was a typo19:32
Amaranthwe're changing you to wlan0 instead of eth1 and adding the type attr19:33
PiciI just changed my interfaces file instead. *shrug*19:33
Amaranthiwl3945 wants to be wlan019:33
AmaranthPici: to use wlan0_rename?19:33
AmaranthPici: that's ugly :P19:33
PiciAmaranth: I know, but I didn't feel like figuring out the udev rule at the time19:34
Infectohmm19:36
Infectodont work19:36
Infectonow he add to this file other line19:36
InfectoSUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:13:02:56:ba:42", ATTR{type}=="801", NAME="eth2"19:38
Infectoifup wlan019:43
Infectowlan0     no private ioctls.19:43
Infectowmaster0: unknown hardware address type 80119:43
Infectowmaster0: unknown hardware address type 80119:43
Infectono clue19:55
Infectodont work19:55
Infectoi dont get it :)19:59
Infectoi can scan20:00
Infectobut from netowrk dont start20:00
Infecto * Reconfiguring network interfaces...                                                                                                                                    wlan1     no private ioctls.20:00
Infectoioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported20:03
InfectoWEXT auth param 4 value 0x0 - ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported20:03
InfectoWEXT auth param 5 value 0x120:03
Infectohmm20:03
AmaranthInfecto: Did you restart?20:04
AmaranthInfecto: You can't just start using it20:04
Infectoi did restart20:05
Infectobut20:05
Infectothat was other problem20:05
Infectoi must comment some settings in my wpa conf20:05
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compwiz18#ubuntu.com20:35
compwiz18oops, sorry20:35
ompaulcompwiz18, it is not a ubuntu channel20:48
compwiz18ompaul: I know, that person invited me and I was curious, I forgot to type the /join in front :)20:49
ompaulcompwiz18, it won't exist for long20:49
compwiz18ompaul: yep, everyone is leaving/left20:49
ompaul:)20:49
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Infectomplayer can be installed on hoary?21:11
Infectoi see some dependencies problems21:11
mphillwhen i lock my screen I can't get back in, it just says checking password.  anyone else having this issue?21:25
amblinevo can't expunge imap folders in hardy, anyone have a fix?21:49
cafuegomutt or thunderbird21:52
amblinexpunge from another client?21:52
TuxManI am running Kubuntu 8.04, and i cannot install kde4 because I try to install the packages and they say they will break my system!!!!21:53
TuxMan:-(21:53
TuxMancan anyone help me?21:54
cafuegoNot if you leave, no. And running a beta dist means stuff WILL break.22:09
Infecto[ 8080.657103] wlan1: switched to short barker preamble (BSSID=00:18:39:c5:d7:a8)22:18
Infecto       [ 8080.657103] wlan1: switched to short barker preamble (BSSID=00:18:39:c5:d7:a8)22:18
Infectoups22:18
Infectoa loot of this message in dmesg22:19
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