[00:04] grr [00:04] heres a belated rant [01:37] When I pick beagle to install via Synaptic, I am told that several package are not installable and beagle wont be installed. Is a repo dowm that can cause this? [01:38] hardy 64-bit will be tickless, correct? [01:38] or is my system broke? Never can tell with betas... [01:38] tickless? [01:38] the kernel [01:39] bmk789: it already is, but yes. [01:39] the new powersaving feature [01:39] crimsun: ok thanks [01:40] cant wait til april then, looking forward to the extended battery life [01:40] (...you can already try Alpha 2) [01:40] im setting up a vm for it now ;) [01:41] since i dont want to completely rely on an alpha for daily stuff [01:43] what is the physical ram limit for 32 bit? I have seen 3, 3.4, 3.6-ish(??) and 4GB [01:43] without PAE, 4 GB. [01:44] is there a performance advantage to running x64 Ubuntu as far as virtualization goes? Ubuntu host, Win guest? [01:45] I have no experience, can't comment. [01:46] WorkingOnWis1: theres not really any drawbacks to 64bit, so id go for it [01:47] at least not for virtualisation IMO [01:48] bmk789: actually, I hit a major (to me) draw back today....java plugin is FUBAR in 64 bit. I know I can run 32 bit firefox, but not sure if thats any better... [01:48] so I'm considering stepping down to 32 [01:49] I'd recommend 32-bit for desktop straightaway. [01:49] WorkingOnWis1: really? [01:49] at least till Ubuntu AMD64 is a bit more mature [01:49] WorkingOnWis1: flash on 64bit has been exacly the same as on 32 [01:49] installed just as easy [01:50] wait [01:50] java [01:50] my bad [01:50] havent tried java yet [01:50] bmk789: flash is ok here, java ...hehe yeah...dont waste your time.... [01:50] the plugins either dont work, or pretend to work but dont... [01:51] and java is pretty important to me. I wish it werent since I relly dont like it, but lots of web develpers seem to just love it! [01:54] so, short of running >4GB of ram, is there any advantage to using x64 right now over x32. I am on 64 now just so I can see it for myself, and unless I'm missing something, 64 bit is a waste of resources for my system. Turion x2 with 4GB ram. === stdin_ is now known as stdin [02:49] after upgrade, firestarter does not load === _Agrajag is now known as Agrajag` === Agrajag` is now known as Agrajag^ [02:51] i'll try reinstalling firestarter [02:53] libhsqldb-java update issue: trying "partial upgrade" option fails [02:59] removing firestarter via applications > add/remove fails. turns unresponsive [03:02] system > about ubuntu still refers to gutsy gibbon after upgrade [03:11] How about you file bug reports as opposed to spamming the channel. === dmb_ is now known as dmb [04:00] Is anybody sucessfully running vmware on the 2.6.24 kernel? [04:00] vmware workstation? [04:35] i ran "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hdd1 /disk2 -0 force" to copy files from a windows hd, i also added a line to fstab, i deleted the line now that im done, but now it logs out as soon as i log in. i forgot to umount it, and i no longer have the drive. what should i do? === crd1b is now known as crdlb === tritium_ is now known as tritium [05:01] is it just me or has there not been any updates for the past 2/3 days? === bigon is now known as bigon` [05:28] Hi, I was upgrading to Hardy, and my computer froze. So I restarted. Now I can't do anything. [05:29] I am logged in but I don't have access to sudo. [05:30] Any suggestions? [05:33] Hello... [05:38] Anyone got hardy installed in qemu? [06:08] Why not use VBox? [06:11] r00723r0: type groups [06:12] Laser87: actually, right now I'm in the recovery console logged in as root. [06:13] ok, then add your user to admin [06:14] My user is in admin. [06:15] It tells me it's unable to resolve my host. [06:15] Not that I can't login. [06:16] your /etc/hosts is broken [06:16] 127.0.0.1 localhost [06:16] 127.0.1.1 sorrow [06:16] make sure those two lines are in there, replace 'sorrow' with the name of your computer [06:17] It's there. [06:20] Ahh... [06:20] I had the host slightly wrong. [06:20] Now I can sudo. [06:20] But I still have no Internets. [06:25] Hello, I believe I have found a bug in xorg, it isn't in Hardy, however. Would this be the channel where I could get some help as to how to reproduce it? [06:25] erm, well, not really. [06:26] if it's not reproducible in hardy, then you likely want to try #ubuntu-bugs [06:26] keep in mind that despite it being 1:26 AM localtime, the active triagers likely are asleep or on holiday. [06:27] well, its that time for me too. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. It might be reproducible in hardy though, should I let you know what it is and how to duplicate it? [06:28] Anyone know? [06:29] When I try to run /etc/init.d/networking restart, it tells me all of my interfaces are unknown. [06:29] The modules are there, and I modprobed them. [06:29] fantum13: in that case, it's still best to use both channels. [06:30] crimsun: I'm in #ubuntu-bugs, but what I need is a simple thing that isn't realy connected. [06:30] r00723r0: you haven't modified interfaces(5), have you? [06:30] How can I send a keycode to X? [06:30] crimsun: I don't even know what that means. [06:30] r00723r0: i.e., you're just using default network-manager? [06:33] fantum13: try xsendkeycode in the lineakd package. [06:33] thanks crimsun, I'll do that. [06:34] r00723r0: restarting the networking initscript doesn't match what you likely think it does now that Ubuntu uses network-manager by default. [06:34] crimsun: I am at a loss. [06:34] For words. [06:34] I have no clue what that means. [06:35] r00723r0: further, if you have not edited interfaces(5) [/etc/network/interfaces], then you are barking up the wrong tree. You want to force-reload dbus, then restart dbus. [06:36] I have not edited it but when I look it seems normal. What do you mean with the dbus? [06:36] r00723r0: I mean that manipulating network settings if your install uses network-manager [it would by default] requires finagling dbus, not interfaces(5). [06:40] crimsun, do you think you could help me with this, even though it isn't in Heron? [06:40] sorry, but I have to catch the metro in a few minutes so I can up early [06:40] can get up* [06:41] alright, no problem [06:41] could I ask a quick question about xsendkeycodes? you seem knowledgeable... [06:43] specifically, my keyboard driver craps out and leaves this message in kernlog and syslog: [06:44] Dec 29 00:12:35 Ashbringer kernel: [193932.022162] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xd8 on isa0060/serio0). [06:44] Dec 29 00:12:35 Ashbringer kernel: [193932.022170] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e058 ' to make it known. [06:44] however, xsendkeycode gives me an error when I try to send db or e058, what is it I should be setting? [06:44] *sending? [06:46] notebook? [06:46] crimsun: ...what? [06:46] Yeah, HP pavillion dv2000. [06:46] I still have no clue how to fix my Webnets. [06:47] r00723r0: NetworkManager uses the lo interface just about exclusively. restarting all those other ones won't fix the problem. [06:48] You need to use the init script for dbus to force-reload and restart, according to crimsun. [06:49] OK, so I just restarted dbus, if that's what you're talking about. [06:50] /etc/init.d/dbus ? [06:50] Yes. [06:51] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-input-all -> reconfig keyboard ? [06:54] I haven't modified it at all, and I want to reproduce the bug first. [06:55] windwiny-ubuntu7: me? [06:56] r00723r0: no, that was at me I think. [06:56] Ahh. [06:56] :-D [06:57] hm [06:57] I can't get it to give me this erorr [06:57] I want to feed it this "unknown keycode" but I'm not being able to [06:57] would anyone mind if pasted two lines? [06:57] fantum13: General rule is 3 lines tops. I don't know about this channel. [06:58] okay, well, here goes [06:58] Dec 29 00:12:35 Ashbringer kernel: [193932.022162] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xd8 on isa0060/serio0). [06:58] Dec 29 00:12:35 Ashbringer kernel: [193932.022170] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e058 ' to make it known. [06:58] That's put in my syslog and kernlog at the same time my keyboard craps out. [06:59] I'm trying to duplicate that and get that put in my logs again, but xsendkeycodes wont' send hex, and the decimal of d8 and e058 are both valid keys [07:00] oh, thats why [07:00] I need to send the scancode [07:00] not keycode [07:00] fantum13, keyboard layout choose? [07:01] I want to reproduce the bug first [07:01] dmesg | tail [07:01] [17280.778152] atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xb3 on isa0060/serio0). [07:01] [17280.778157] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e033 ' to make it known. -->> LIKE THIS? [07:02] yeah, I get a message like that just as my keyboard stops functioning. [07:02] Is that already fixed/posted somewhere? [07:03] ?? In my keyboard is special key, not work in Ubuntu and XP [07:03] Well, that message is put in my logs right as X stops working with my keyboard. [07:21] My computer is telling me that "en_US" does not exist. [07:24] ... .UTF-8 ? [07:24] I don't know. [07:25] But I need to get my Intradust working. [07:25] Because I have more packages to upgrade. [07:25] r00723r0: what program is saying that? [07:25] Gnome. [07:25] en_US.UTF-8 ? [07:26] I don't know. [07:26] It said just "en_US". [07:27] r00723r0: what are you trying to do? Note that apt-get will report that translations don't exist - because en_US is the default for the files that apt-get/aptitude/synaptic uses [07:28] Nevermind, forget the language issue. [07:28] I need Internet. [07:31] r00723r0: what is the problem with internet? [07:31] I don't even know. I just don't have it. [07:32] When I try to restart /etc/init.d/networking, it tells me none of the devices are recognized. [08:03] Hello? Any help? === Sebast1an is now known as Sebastian [09:04] hiho, when I encrypt my system then I can't boot any longer when I have my dvd-burner attached... a message comes hdc cannot be mounted or something similar. [09:04] however if I don't encrypt the system it can boot (the same message appears also upon installation) [09:05] where can I check if that bug is reported? [09:13] synaptic, add/remove, firestarter and update manager are not loading/executing [09:22] of which only add/remove actually opens UI at least. yet it does not function beyond app search [09:38] correction: update manager initialize UI but when 'partial upgrade' selected it will just 'hang' [09:47] hello [10:09] synaptic, add/remove, firestarter and update manager are not loading and/or not working properly. system > about ubuntu still says "gutsy 7.10" [10:11] current kernel load average: 3 users 2.26, 2.44, 2.07 [10:12] no other issues detected === T1m0thy_ is now known as T1m0thy [12:45] hello ppl [12:46] all in this channel run hardy heron ? [12:46] nope [12:46] :P [12:46] but most i presume [12:46] any1 who can share bugs ? [12:47] launchpad can [12:47] but as a general rule in developments version, LOTS. [12:49] mine goes very good except 1 [12:50] how can some1 search for bugs in launchpad ? [12:50] sec [12:50] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/ [12:50] tnx [13:56] !info lib64gcc1 [13:56] lib64gcc1: GCC support library (64bit). In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.2.2-4ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 26 kB, installed size 92 kB [13:57] why do I need lib64gcc1 if I am running 32bit ? [13:57] peverse logic [13:57] dist-upgrade just installed it for some reason [13:58] Hobbsee: I take offence to being called a pervert I prefer excentric :P [13:58] :P [13:59] Hobbsee: I guess the answer is nobody really knows [14:00] well off to that place with the 4 letter word name ... have a good day folks [14:04] I think the real question is, why does libstdc++6 depend on lib64gcc1 [14:05] my update-manager is b0rked [14:06] gives me a partial update complaint and dies === bigon` is now known as bigon [14:09] Gnine: tried apt-get install -f ? === bigdo1 is now known as bigdog_ === crd1b is now known as crdlb [14:26] no. i'll give it a try now [14:26] thanks jussi01 . be back in a minute with results [14:31] command returns : unable to resolve host (...) [14:32] blood thickens [14:32] sudo is not recognizing me ? [14:32] now thats a joke [15:34] Guys, Gutsy is a real unstable system.. can't you release critical updates to harden everything BEFORE the release of hardy? [15:35] Arelis, whats the problem with gutsy? [15:35] I've seen it breaking on me several times already [15:35] #ubuntu for gutsy btw [15:36] it works for me with minus bugs [15:36] Arelis: what bugs? [15:37] Arelis, meh, it's software. softare has a habit to break [15:37] when i login in desktop a massage come up with US_english not supported and will use the default [15:37] But that's my fault. I installed 20 window managers at the same time, and added an E17 repo. But, libraries were acting weirdly too, i couldn't start programs anymore. Also, the open-source 'radeon' driver keeps crashing and crashing. And i've searched the internet and saw a LOT of people have problems with Gutsy. Gutsy is easy to break. But, this is a system for beginners... but if you want to make begginners use it, then make the core rock [15:38] Arelis, that is what hardy is for 7 [15:38] -7 [15:39] too bad it takes 6 months, because till that time, we all have an unstable system. [15:39] meh [15:39] keep with the old LTS ubuntu if you want stability [15:39] Arelis, gutsy is fine here [15:40] what would it be, dapper? [15:40] yes [15:42] so unless gutsy brings something you need and you prefer a stable system to an up-to-date one, just downgrade to dapper :) [15:42] then use hardy when it's ready [15:43] or grab hardy now and have a unstable stable :D [15:43] there is no linux that works 100% :/ [15:43] sure their is [15:43] i am all ears [15:43] tralala, and unmodified debian stable? [15:44] hardy is stable for me now [15:44] does debian works with DVD-RW ? [15:44] tralala, to install on? [15:44] with* [15:44] no to format and write on it [15:45] why woudnt it? k3b burns everything [15:45] nope [15:46] if u format with K3b disk will be unreadable [15:47] tbh im happy whith what i get with linux now but .... needs a few things more [15:48] well, Debian doesn't work fine with my ATI card [15:49] but hold on, i need to reboot [15:49] Arelis, debian does not like closed source [15:49] what ATI do u have ? [15:49] ATI Radeon 9600 [15:49] tralala: ATI Radeon 9600 [15:49] did u tried the restricted ? [15:50] i think i did, but i had problems with it [15:50] anyways.. reboot [16:10] * Gnine considers changing nick to something female sounding [16:11] arelis is a whackolis [16:12] the 20 questions queen === Skiessl is now known as Skiessi [17:09] Is there something broken with the bonobo package(s) on hardy? [17:27] hello [17:28] can some one tel me, can i run update-manager -d on kubuntu? [17:28] i hope there is some kind of way of fixing "sudo: unable to resolve hostname [hostname]" [17:29] add to /etc/hosts? [17:29] upgrade b0rked update-manager along with firestarter and add/remove [17:30] check /etc/resolv.conf [17:30] to see if something borked dns === bigdo1 is now known as bigdog_ [17:30] 10-4 [17:30] so? i read topic but `im not sure :) can i or not? [17:31] it's a free internet [17:31] or you recomend just simply edit sources and apt-get dist-upgrade :) [17:43] with Hardy being the new LTS version will there be a simple upgrade route from Dapper? [17:44] etc/resolvconf/update-libc.d contains avahi-deamon file only. [17:45] there is only one instruction to check for dns in it. is that where the hostname should be specified as well? [17:48] rothchild: that should happen, yes [17:55] there is no /etc/hosts folder in hardy [17:56] however, etc/avahi has a config file which does not specify any hostnames [18:02] ok.. found it.. etc/host present. was looking for a host folder .. :-/ [18:04] but sudo wont let me gedit it === dmb_ is now known as dmb [18:13] the latest x.org (7.3) in hardy also has better hotplug-support for external displays / beamers, hasn't it? [18:14] (just interested) [19:23] wlan0_rename wtf? [19:23] whats that? [19:24] your udev rules are broken [19:24] you use iwl3945? [19:24] yes [19:24] so how to repair it? [19:25] look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [19:25] see the wlan0 line? paste it here [19:26] /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [19:26] o ok [19:26] i found it to :) [19:26] thanks [19:26] no no, paste the line i asked for [19:26] you have to tweak it a little, i think [19:26] but i need to see what it is now [19:27] SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:13:02:56:ba:42", NAME="eth1" [19:27] actually just pastebin the whole file [19:27] !pastebin [19:27] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [19:28] there are 2 lines [19:28] only diffrence is betwene hw addr [19:28] and eth1 eth0 [19:28] right, eth1 is probably your wireless [19:28] comment that line out (put a # in front of it) [19:28] yes [19:28] always was [19:28] thats all? [19:29] SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:13:02:56:ba:4", ATTRS{type}=="1", NAME="wlan0" [19:29] add that line [19:29] err, i forgot the 2 at the end [19:29] should be 42, not 4 [19:29] ok [19:29] reboot [19:31] i dont understand [19:31] why change hw addres? [19:31] whats the point? [19:31] a [19:31] ok [19:31] sry [19:32] i just wake up [19:32] i didn't change the hw address, that was a typo [19:33] we're changing you to wlan0 instead of eth1 and adding the type attr [19:33] I just changed my interfaces file instead. *shrug* [19:33] iwl3945 wants to be wlan0 [19:33] Pici: to use wlan0_rename? [19:33] Pici: that's ugly :P [19:34] Amaranth: I know, but I didn't feel like figuring out the udev rule at the time [19:36] hmm [19:36] dont work [19:36] now he add to this file other line [19:38] SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:13:02:56:ba:42", ATTR{type}=="801", NAME="eth2" [19:43] ifup wlan0 [19:43] wlan0 no private ioctls. [19:43] wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 [19:43] wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 [19:55] no clue [19:55] dont work [19:59] i dont get it :) [20:00] i can scan [20:00] but from netowrk dont start [20:00] * Reconfiguring network interfaces... wlan1 no private ioctls. [20:03] ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported [20:03] WEXT auth param 4 value 0x0 - ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported [20:03] WEXT auth param 5 value 0x1 [20:03] hmm [20:04] Infecto: Did you restart? [20:04] Infecto: You can't just start using it [20:05] i did restart [20:05] but [20:05] that was other problem [20:05] i must comment some settings in my wpa conf === amblin_ is now known as amblin [20:35] #ubuntu.com [20:35] oops, sorry [20:48] compwiz18, it is not a ubuntu channel [20:49] ompaul: I know, that person invited me and I was curious, I forgot to type the /join in front :) [20:49] compwiz18, it won't exist for long [20:49] ompaul: yep, everyone is leaving/left [20:49] :) === amblin is now known as amblin_ === amblin_ is now known as amblin === amblin is now known as amblin_ === amblin_ is now known as amblin [21:11] mplayer can be installed on hoary? [21:11] i see some dependencies problems [21:25] when i lock my screen I can't get back in, it just says checking password. anyone else having this issue? [21:49] evo can't expunge imap folders in hardy, anyone have a fix? [21:52] mutt or thunderbird [21:52] expunge from another client? [21:53] I am running Kubuntu 8.04, and i cannot install kde4 because I try to install the packages and they say they will break my system!!!! [21:53] :-( [21:54] can anyone help me? [22:09] Not if you leave, no. And running a beta dist means stuff WILL break. [22:18] [ 8080.657103] wlan1: switched to short barker preamble (BSSID=00:18:39:c5:d7:a8) [22:18] [ 8080.657103] wlan1: switched to short barker preamble (BSSID=00:18:39:c5:d7:a8) [22:18] ups [22:19] a loot of this message in dmesg === crd1b is now known as crdlb === ajmorris is now known as ajmorris|AFK === ajmorris|AFK is now known as ajmorris