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| dasKreech | dave matthews band? | 00:26 |
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| Fujitsu | Has anybody considered updating tzdata for tomorrow's Argentinian changes? | 00:48 |
| * Hobbsee waves | 00:50 | |
| Fujitsu | Hey Hobbsee. | 00:50 |
| Hobbsee | oh dear. libc6 stuff. | 00:50 |
| Fujitsu | Where? | 00:51 |
| Hobbsee | updates | 00:51 |
| Fujitsu | Only in Dapper. | 00:52 |
| Fujitsu | The Argentinian government gave a nice amount of warning. | 00:52 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes, i think #d-d was whining about it earlier | 00:53 |
| Fujitsu | Probably. | 00:53 |
| Fujitsu | Even so, we should probably push out updates at some point... | 00:53 |
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| jbailey | Hobbsee: libc6 is cuddly. | 02:38 |
| azeem | hey Jeff | 02:41 |
| azeem | <neal> you don't like to cuddle in bed with a copy of posix? | 02:41 |
| jbailey | *lol* | 02:41 |
| jbailey | azeem: When's that from? =) | 02:41 |
| azeem | last week I think | 02:41 |
| jbailey | And, no. I created the susv3 package just so I didn't have to cuddle reference spec. They don't warm me up as well as a nice conversation with drepper does. | 02:42 |
| jbailey | =) | 02:42 |
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| Hobbsee | jbailey: personally, i can think of way more cuddly things... | 02:54 |
| jbailey | Hobbsee: Bah! | 02:55 |
| Hobbsee | people, for eg, are far more cuddly | 02:55 |
| bddebian | Heya Jeff, Hobbsee | 02:56 |
| jbailey | Heya Barry | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | hiya bddebian | 02:56 |
| * Hobbsee heads off to murder a few more people | 02:56 | |
| bddebian | Hobbsee: Nice. Need a list? :) | 02:56 |
| jbailey | Hobbsee: You might consider a new year's resolution to not do that anymore... | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: the ones at work are more than enough | 02:57 |
| dasKreech | SCO | 02:57 |
| dasKreech | Wait | 02:57 |
| dasKreech | too late | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | jbailey: what, to quit work? | 02:57 |
| * dasKreech crosses them off the list | 02:57 | |
| jbailey | dasKreech: Be nice to SCOXQ.PK. They've provided years of entertainment. | 02:57 |
| dasKreech | More than that they provided a court treatment of Linux | 02:58 |
| jbailey | Hobbsee: Ah, has murdering grown into a career now? | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | "yeah, please let me return something that i've deliberately damaged, and you now can't make pristine again. i paid good money for this" *stab* | 02:58 |
| dasKreech | truly valuable they were | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | jbailey: no, but christmas retail == grounds for murder. | 02:58 |
| dasKreech | at .. 72 cents per stock | 02:58 |
| jbailey | Hobbsee: Ugh. Fair enough. | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | jbailey: i just need a dual-power cattle prod, and a lassoo. | 03:00 |
| jbailey | Isn't that a taseR? | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | and maybe the work trapdoor to be built. | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | might be. but they seem to kill people | 03:00 |
| dasKreech | Or smithers | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | like, accidently | 03:00 |
| dasKreech | Release the hounds | 03:00 |
| jbailey | "accidentally" | 03:01 |
| jbailey | Sure. | 03:01 |
| bddebian | "Don't tase me bro.." | 03:01 |
| dasKreech | ha ha | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | it's only when they repeatedly, deliberately, don't listen to what i say that they deserve to be tasered. | 03:01 |
| jbailey | Sounds.. pandemic. | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | "listen to me, you idiot! i am between you and leaving this store, adn getting to other things. now PAY ATTENTION!!!" | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | jbailey: you see the merits of darwinism and survival of the fittest very well | 03:02 |
| jbailey | Yeah. I just worry how often I'd be on the wrong side of that line defending myself though. | 03:02 |
| dasKreech | that there shoudl be max 6 people on the earth at any time? | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | jbailey: heh | 03:02 |
| * Hobbsee --> gone to the hellhole of christmas retail. | 03:02 | |
| jbailey | I should head home, too. | 03:03 |
| jbailey | Happy NY all. =) | 03:03 |
| dasKreech | Happy belated? | 03:03 |
| jbailey | Well, I meant the *next* New Year coming up. | 03:03 |
| jbailey | But sure, for the previous one if you'd prefer. =) | 03:03 |
| dasKreech | Oh you | 03:05 |
| dasKreech | Ha I read that as New New York for some reason | 03:05 |
| dasKreech | Stupid Futurama movie | 03:05 |
| dasKreech | Anyway I was talking about Hobbsee going out to christmas | 03:05 |
| Forbr4d3 | hello | 03:21 |
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| dmb | will ubuntu always use apt? | 06:38 |
| dmb | i thought i remember in the past hearing something about the dropping of it, I could be wrong though | 06:39 |
| dasKreech | dmb: Eh? for what? | 06:39 |
| dmb | package management | 06:39 |
| dasKreech | Duh I meant drop it in favour of what | 06:39 |
| dmb | not sure, just thought i remember reading about it somewhere | 06:40 |
| dmb | i'll see if i can find it again | 06:40 |
| dmb | it was a long time ago | 06:40 |
| dasKreech | Might have been killed then? | 06:40 |
| dasKreech | cause it would have been interesting to apt-get dist-upgrade and have it remove apt-get as part of the upgrade | 06:41 |
| dasKreech | actually now I wanna see it happen :) | 06:41 |
| dmb | that would be pretty cool :D | 06:41 |
| dasKreech | Not as much as I wanna see LTS->LTS | 06:42 |
| dasKreech | but I guess I won't get that chance :-( | 06:42 |
| dmb | what do you mean? | 06:43 |
| dasKreech | Which part did I lose you at? | 06:43 |
| dmb | LTS->LTS | 06:44 |
| dasKreech | Well if you offer a Long Term support contract to someone and they take you up on it they are going to ride it out as long as they can | 06:47 |
| dasKreech | and presumably then will only upgrade into another long term stable situation | 06:48 |
| dasKreech | since stability and reliabilty are more important than new things and features | 06:49 |
| dmb | oh | 06:49 |
| dasKreech | so if someone is on a LTS release then they will only dist-upgrade into another LTS release | 06:49 |
| dasKreech | so for Hardy you have to be able to upgrade from Gutsy AND Dapper | 06:49 |
| dasKreech | Think of all the stuff that has changed since Dapper and you will see why this should be quite fun :) | 06:50 |
| dmb | ohhh, i see what your saying | 06:50 |
| dmb | dasKreech: will it work at all if you change the repos to hardy and dist-upgrade? | 06:51 |
| dasKreech | dmb: from ? | 06:51 |
| dmb | dapper | 06:51 |
| dasKreech | That's the point it should | 06:51 |
| dasKreech | we have never done an upgrade from older than 6 months | 06:52 |
| dmb | so i guess it doesn't :( | 06:52 |
| dmb | i wonder what would go wrong? | 06:52 |
| dasKreech | now we have to do one from 24 months | 06:52 |
| dasKreech | Think of it | 06:52 |
| dasKreech | if you have done that | 06:52 |
| dasKreech | then it can go wrong :) | 06:52 |
| dasKreech | After the first one it will get boring probably | 06:52 |
| timfrost | dmb, dasKreech: no guarantees - Hardy is *not* an LTS release (hardy+1 may be), so no guarantees | 06:52 |
| dasKreech | timfrost: Sorry? | 06:53 |
| dmb | oh, i thought hardy was a lts? | 06:53 |
| dasKreech | when was that announced? | 06:53 |
| dmb | this is news to me | 06:54 |
| dasKreech | as am I | 06:55 |
| dasKreech | the specific line I recall is that while the main and gnome packages would be covered by LTS the KDE packages would not | 06:55 |
| dasKreech | Which speaks to me as saying that it IS an LTS | 06:56 |
| timfrost | dmb, dasKreech: just checked the archives, and I was wrong - the announcement of Hardy by Steve Langasek in October does mention 'Ubuntu 8.04 LTS' | 06:57 |
| dmb | ok | 06:57 |
| * dasKreech nods | 06:57 | |
| dmb | scared me for a second :D | 06:57 |
| dasKreech | Right so that's what I'm waiting for | 06:57 |
| dasKreech | dmb: Tell me about it! there goes ALL my entertainment | 06:58 |
| timfrost | dmb, dasKreech: which means that it should support direct upgrade from either dapper (LTS-LTS) or gutsy | 06:58 |
| dmb | interesting... | 06:58 |
| dasKreech | Exactly which I think is going to be good enough to get out a tub of popcorn for | 06:59 |
| * dasKreech goes to bed | 07:12 | |
| dmb | am I the only one who ever remembers reading on the the dropping of apt? | 07:43 |
| Burgundavia | dmb: huh? | 07:46 |
| Burgundavia | where did you read that? | 07:46 |
| dmb | i think i'm just out of my mind, but i remember a couple releases back on the ubuntuforums under the development section | 07:47 |
| timfrost | dmb: There was discussion about the upgrade interface (command line dist-upgrade vs update-manager etc) is that what you are thinking of? | 07:50 |
| dmb | don't think so... | 07:50 |
| dmb | i'm going to use archive.org to see if i can find it | 07:50 |
| Amaranth | I think you mean people saying to use aptitude instead of apt | 07:53 |
| Amaranth | Personally I think they're full of crap, aptitude is too hard to use | 07:54 |
| superm1 | and i've seen it cause more trouble than a lot of people want to deal with | 07:54 |
| dmb | i personally find it easier to use command line apt then aptitude | 07:55 |
| superm1 | dmb, i do recall seeing something similar being spread on the forums for a bit too though | 07:57 |
| dmb | i don't think it was about aptitude vs apt though | 07:57 |
| dmb | maybe i just dreamed this :D | 07:57 |
| dmb | Amaranth: actually, i think your right | 07:58 |
| dmb | i was stupid back then | 07:58 |
| dmb | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190187 | 07:58 |
| Amaranth | superm1: Some debian documentation says to use aptitude over apt | 07:59 |
| superm1 | particularly http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205766 | 07:59 |
| superm1 | i remember pointed it at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude | 07:59 |
| Amaranth | superm1: I think it just means for upgrades but others disagree so they push for you to use aptitude everywhere | 07:59 |
| Amaranth | Last time I tried to use aptitude on a problem apt couldn't fix it wanted to remove a bunch of stuff and I think it talked about downgrading a couple things too | 08:00 |
| dmb | aptitudes ui is crap | 08:01 |
| dmb | didn't even know that you can interface with a mouse with ncurses | 08:02 |
| Amaranth | superm1: that psychocats website is of course completely wrong now that we have apt-get autoremove :) | 08:02 |
| superm1 | exactly | 08:02 |
| superm1 | but that was the only selling point to aptitude that i ever saw | 08:03 |
| superm1 | is there a difference in installing files into /etc/modprobe.d and /etc/modutils? | 08:16 |
| superm1 | it appears more modern apps are installign into /etc/modprobe.d | 08:16 |
| superm1 | modprobe.d is for newer kernels i would suspect using module-init-tools? | 08:18 |
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| Hobbsee | dmb: was probaly the possible switching from apt to smart, i expect | 10:42 |
| Hobbsee | dmb: along with a whole bunch of other infrastructure change | 10:42 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: We have switched to smart? | 10:52 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: no, hence it was the possible switching | 10:52 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: it was discussed a few releases ago | 10:52 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Ah ok. | 10:53 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: no more source packages, etc | 10:53 |
| TheMuso | Sorta came in half way through the conversation. | 10:53 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: i read backscroll, and gave that answer. not hard to do | 10:53 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: True. | 10:54 |
| TheMuso | Ah yes. | 10:54 |
| * TheMuso finally locates the relevant piece of text. | 10:54 | |
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| tak2 | hey there =) | 14:54 |
| tak2 | nobody there ? 'got a question to ask : does anyone encouter problems with X and a ATI card ? I've got a mobility radeo 9600 and X freezes if I use ati or fglrx ... i'ven't found any trick to fix this ... | 14:55 |
| persia | tak2: You might try searching for an existing bug from https://bugs,launchpad.net/ubuntu/, or asking on #ubuntu-bugs to talk about bugs. If you're looking for a workaround, you'd do best on #ubuntu or #ubuntu-xx eith -xx as your country code (or #ubuntu+1 for hardy), or submitting your query to https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ | 14:57 |
| persia | s/eith/with/ | 14:57 |
| tak2 | ok thanks persia I'll try this, thanks :) | 14:58 |
| geser | Hi pitti | 15:10 |
| pitti | hey geser, how are you? | 15:10 |
| geser | good, and you? | 15:11 |
| pitti | pretty fine, we are preparing my wife's bday party | 15:18 |
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| CheGuevara | ping pitti | 16:00 |
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| theunixgeek | Wouldn't compile-time substitution of preprocessor definitions slow down the compilation process? | 17:28 |
| mjj29 | um, yes? | 17:29 |
| mjj29 | as opposed to what? | 17:29 |
| theunixgeek | having constant variables instead of preprocessor definitions | 17:29 |
| mjj29 | that has other drawbacks | 17:30 |
| mjj29 | the compiler can't optimize them as well | 17:30 |
| theunixgeek | ok | 17:30 |
| CheGuevara | lol | 17:30 |
| psusi | what happens if udevd is killed and restarted? does it process events for all existing devices again? or is that only done when udevtrigger is run in the boot scripts? | 17:49 |
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| tab | hey, is there anyone here that works on the psubuntu? | 21:44 |
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| alazar | so, what do i install to get the X includes? | 22:00 |
| jpatrick | for a package, or just header file? | 22:01 |
| alazar | Initially I was looking for a pkg w/ add/remove software, now I've got synaptic open | 22:02 |
| alazar | I've seen a few things on the forums to load so I'm working on that | 22:03 |
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| alazar | but a definitive answer would be useful | 22:03 |
| jpatrick | are there any main sponsers around? | 22:26 |
| ajmorris | hi, who can i talk to about the development of the ubuntu minimal cd? | 22:28 |
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