| joebaker | One question I need a quick answer to about the Edubuntu server install. | 00:49 |
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| joebaker | Is it required to have 2 nics? | 00:50 |
| joebaker | It seemed that this might have been why the PowerPC install could have encountered an exception. | 00:50 |
| joebaker | I'm about to re-install an i386 system now from scratch and I only have a single nic. | 00:51 |
| joebaker | I'll re-join the conversation from my laptop in a moment. | 00:52 |
| === juliux is now known as JuliusBloch | ||
| joebaker | I've been trying to exercise the Encrypted Filesystem on LVM option of Edubuntu 7.10 Gutsy. It's not working on i386 nor on PowerPC. | 19:26 |
| joebaker | That was the single automated option I chose. | 20:01 |
| johnny | you used the alternative cd? | 20:02 |
| johnny | that worked for me on stock ubuntu | 20:02 |
| joebaker | I'm re-running the installer, choosing a manual partition scheme. Switching encryption from aes to twofish. Changing the keysize down to 128 bits for more speed. | 20:02 |
| joebaker | Yes Johnny, I'm using the alternative i386 edubuntu Server cd. | 20:03 |
| johnny | hmm... server cd.. encryption would be annoying there | 20:03 |
| joebaker | Wait... that's the Server install. | 20:03 |
| joebaker | Necessary. | 20:03 |
| johnny | every time you restart the computer, you'd have to type the password.. | 20:03 |
| joebaker | The machine is out in the open and is used for multi-users remotely with NX. | 20:03 |
| joebaker | The machine should stay up for years on end. | 20:04 |
| johnny | so the encryption won't do very much then.. | 20:04 |
| johnny | if it's always on | 20:04 |
| joebaker | If somebody seals the machine.... | 20:04 |
| joebaker | That's where I want the encryption in place. | 20:04 |
| joebaker | But it worked for you? | 20:05 |
| joebaker | Was it the server CD or just an alternate install cd for Desktop? | 20:05 |
| johnny | alternative for desktop | 20:06 |
| johnny | i put it on my laptop | 20:06 |
| johnny | and it just worked | 20:06 |
| joebaker | I left /boot unencrypted. This is a terrific feature. I'm very much involved in politics in the US. I believe the encryption will be essential in coming years. | 20:06 |
| joebaker | Well, I suppose I should issue a bug report for Server on launchpad. | 20:07 |
| joebaker | Is it a bug with the installer? What's the installer's name? | 20:07 |
| joebaker | I'll bet the installer's name is ubiquity | 20:08 |
| pygi | debian-installer | 20:08 |
| pygi | if it's the alternate cd | 20:08 |
| johnny | ubuquity is the graphical installer | 20:08 |
| johnny | err ubiquity | 20:08 |
| joebaker | Thanks | 20:09 |
| seamus123 | HI All | 21:11 |
| seamus123 | Anyone here got any experience using the Thin Client Manager under VMware? | 21:11 |
| joebaker | Sorry, no I haven't. I'm hoping to though. | 21:20 |
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| seamus123 | ok | 21:28 |
| seamus123 | My primary goal is to try out the thin client manager | 21:28 |
| seamus123 | and I'm wanting to do it under VMware first due to lack of hardware currently ;) | 21:28 |
| seamus123 | However, I can't seem to get VMware to boot across the network | 21:28 |
| seamus123 | and wonder if there is a PXE image that can be used to get VMware up and booting | 21:28 |
| stgraber | using bridged networking and booting it using the PXE option (press ESC at boot time) usually works | 21:29 |
| seamus123 | hmm | 21:31 |
| seamus123 | but I'm creating the new VM at the moent | 21:31 |
| seamus123 | and it asks for the installation media - either a .iso or a CD/DVD in the drive | 21:31 |
| seamus123 | I can't get past that mode in the wizard to actually tell the VM to "just boot" | 21:31 |
| seamus123 | (Using VMFusion btw) | 21:31 |
| stgraber | hmm, never tried fusion, I'm usually using workstation or server on Linux | 21:32 |
| stgraber | go through the wizard then disable everything but the network card | 21:32 |
| seamus123 | trying | 21:34 |
| seamus123 | hold down "Esc" when booting you reckon? | 21:35 |
| stgraber | at least with workstation that's the way to have the boot menu prompt in the VM | 21:37 |
| stgraber | you may also enter the BIOS and change the boot order (if Fusion emulates a BIOS as workstation and server do) | 21:37 |
| seamus123 | hmm | 21:39 |
| seamus123 | I've got it booting up now and it's looking for a network boot I think with this message: | 21:39 |
| seamus123 | "Press F12 for a network service boot" | 21:39 |
| stgraber | ok, so pressing F12 should make it boot using PXE | 21:40 |
| seamus123 | unfortunately there are seom keybooard overrides on OS X that f12 is calling instead of the f12 in the VM | 21:40 |
| seamus123 | grhh | 21:40 |
| seamus123 | I think these can be disabled under VMfusion however | 21:40 |
| seamus123 | checking preference | 21:40 |
| seamus123 | s | 21:40 |
| stgraber | right, F12 is exposé or something like that IIRC (alt+F12 with compiz on Linux) | 21:41 |
| seamus123 | yup that's correct it is | 21:41 |
| seamus123 | turned off theOS X shortcuts and that booted it | 21:42 |
| seamus123 | here's the (not) funny part - it's seeing the DHCP network from my wider LAN @ work, instead of the DHCP on the Edbuntu VM that's also running | 21:42 |
| seamus123 | DHCP server runs by default on Edbuntu? | 21:42 |
| seamus123_ | hmm | 21:43 |
| stgraber | hmm, in your case you should probably set two NICs on the Edubuntu VM, one being bridged (the internet), the other being host-only (the LAN on which the edubuntu's dhcp will listen to) | 21:43 |
| stgraber | then set the NIC of your client to host-only | 21:43 |
| stgraber | alternatively you may change your work DHCP to send the PXE settings (that's easy if that's a linux dhcpd server) | 21:44 |
| seamus123_ | hmm I set the thinclient VM NIC to host only | 21:45 |
| seamus123_ | and now it finds no DHCP server | 21:45 |
| stgraber | did you add a host-only NIC to the Edubuntu server as well ? | 21:46 |
| seamus123_ | nope | 21:46 |
| seamus123_ | I'll attempt to do that now | 21:46 |
| seamus123_ | never done it before..,. | 21:46 |
| stgraber | that will simulate a server connected to a WAN (you work LAN) and to an internal LAN (your thin clients) | 21:46 |
| stgraber | the dhcpd will run on the host-only card and then your client will receive an ip and the boot parameters | 21:47 |
| seamus123_ | Would I create the 2nd NIC within Ubuntu or VMware admin (sorry for the dumb q) | 21:48 |
| stgraber | vmware | 21:48 |
| stgraber | you will have to shutdown the VM, add the 2nd NIC and boot it again | 21:48 |
| seamus123_ | roger - shutting down | 21:49 |
| seamus123_ | (thanks for this help btw: much appreciated!) | 21:49 |
| seamus123_ | ok I've got two networks now: 1) NAT 2) host only | 21:50 |
| seamus123_ | look good? | 21:50 |
| stgraber | yep | 21:50 |
| stgraber | I'm not sure the DHCP server will automatically start on the host-only NIC though, you may have to start it by hand | 21:52 |
| stgraber | just try to boot your client, if that doesn't work, then you'll need to start the dhcp server by hand | 21:52 |
| seamus123_ | ok - on the phone but will try that in 2mins | 21:55 |
| seamus123_ | yup didn;'t see the DHCP server | 22:01 |
| seamus123_ | (from the thin client) | 22:01 |
| seamus123_ | what's the best way to start this manually do you know under Edubuntu | 22:01 |
| stgraber | sudo ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.254 | 22:01 |
| stgraber | sudo ifconfig eth1:0 192.168.0.1 | 22:01 |
| stgraber | sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart | 22:02 |
| stgraber | should do it, assuming the NIC is on eth1 | 22:02 |
| seamus123_ | hmm interesting - doing the restart of the srvice failed - presumably it was not running in thefirst place! | 22:04 |
| seamus123_ | perhaps DHCP does not start at boot up? | 22:04 |
| seamus123_ | anyway, will try with the thin client now | 22:04 |
| stgraber | I guess it would have started if the NIC was correctly set | 22:04 |
| seamus123_ | wow! looks like it's booting mate! | 22:05 |
| seamus123_ | fingers crossed | 22:05 |
| stgraber | (which would have been the case if you had both NICs set at installation time) | 22:05 |
| stgraber | you may experience a problem when opening a session (access refused) | 22:05 |
| stgraber | but maybe not :) | 22:05 |
| seamus123_ | yeah I did get access refused! | 22:05 |
| seamus123_ | presumably need to create a user first on the Edubuntu server? | 22:06 |
| stgraber | sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys | 22:06 |
| stgraber | sudo ltsp-update-image | 22:06 |
| stgraber | those two should fix that | 22:06 |
| seamus123_ | on the host? | 22:06 |
| stgraber | yes, on the server | 22:07 |
| seamus123_ | ok 2nd command is doing something - creating little endian filesystem... | 22:07 |
| stgraber | yes, can take some minutes | 22:08 |
| johnny | commands are successful if they don't return output usually | 22:08 |
| johnny | so it did do something | 22:08 |
| stgraber | just reboot the client after this one completed | 22:08 |
| seamus123_ | yes I know that (do use Debian linux at work quite a bit) VMware and DHCP is areas I've had v. little experience in however | 22:08 |
| seamus123_ | That is going to take awhile 25% through | 22:09 |
| seamus123_ | Macbook Pro is slogging it's guts out now with two VM's running LOL | 22:09 |
| stgraber | my server is running 4 at the moment :) | 22:10 |
| stgraber | and I'm watching a movie connected on a virtual edubuntu server from a real thin client | 22:10 |
| seamus123_ | damn! | 22:10 |
| seamus123_ | CPU/RAM specs? | 22:10 |
| stgraber | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ and 2GB of RAM | 22:11 |
| stgraber | root@vagonbrei:~# uptime 23:11:45 up 2 days, 3:38, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.20, 0.21 | 22:11 |
| seamus123_ | 11:12 up 5 days, 1:28, 2 users, load averages: 1.54 1.52 1.14 | 22:12 |
| seamus123_ | Macbook Pro Core 2 Duo 2.2Ghz, 2GB RAM | 22:12 |
| stgraber | well, generating a new squashfs uses a bit of CPU :) | 22:12 |
| seamus123_ | ok well that is all done | 22:13 |
| seamus123_ | will reboot the client and see what happens | 22:13 |
| stgraber | I'm using Xen for my Linux VMs, it's known to take way less CPU but requires you to boot a patched kernel so only working on Linux AFAIK | 22:13 |
| seamus123_ | yeah we use Xen quite a bit at work | 22:13 |
| pygi | with newest intel or amd you dont have to use a patched kernel | 22:13 |
| stgraber | hmm, right with the VT or AMD equivalent thing, haven't tried that way though | 22:14 |
| seamus123_ | hmm that may have killed it - not booting to a login screen at all now?! | 22:15 |
| seamus123_ | on thinclient that is | 22:15 |
| seamus123_ | did netboot however | 22:15 |
| seamus123_ | ie ran vmlinuz | 22:15 |
| stgraber | weird, try : sudo chmod 644 /opt/ltsp/images/* | 22:15 |
| stgraber | in case something is wrong with file permissions on the squashfs image | 22:16 |
| seamus123_ | There was a bunhc of info spat out after I ran that command e.g. | 22:16 |
| seamus123_ | info: port 2000 is already defined in the conf file | 22:16 |
| seamus123_ | info: taking no action | 22:16 |
| seamus123_ | could that have killed it>? | 22:17 |
| stgraber | no, that just means that inetd is already configured for that image and will run nbd-server correctly | 22:17 |
| stgraber | so that's fine | 22:17 |
| seamus123_ | ok | 22:18 |
| seamus123_ | it's working with the permissikons reset | 22:18 |
| seamus123_ | trying to log in now | 22:18 |
| seamus123_ | We have lift off!! | 22:19 |
| seamus123_ | Hmm got in ok, but appears to have just fallen over (the thin client) i.e. window has completely disappeared! | 22:21 |
| seamus123_ | but I think I have the config correct at least | 22:21 |
| seamus123_ | your help was tremendously appreciated | 22:22 |
| stgraber | np | 22:22 |
| seamus123_ | general q: I would have thought with thin clients that a user database would have to be created first on the host server and that thin clients would authenticate against that user list first | 22:22 |
| seamus123_ | rather than any user creating a "new" user on the fly | 22:22 |
| stgraber | it uses the same user database as the server | 22:23 |
| stgraber | so basically what you have in /etc/passwd | 22:23 |
| seamus123_ | ahh! | 22:23 |
| stgraber | or in LDAP if you have set a ldap auth | 22:23 |
| seamus123_ | 'so I would have logged in as "myself" given on the thin client I used my same user/pass as on the host server | 22:23 |
| seamus123_ | what a mistake! | 22:23 |
| stgraber | yes, because you certainly logged in twice with the same user/pass which leads to a lot of problem :) | 22:24 |
| seamus123_ | ok I'll create a new separate user and test with that | 22:24 |
| stgraber | like having nautilus/gconf to complain because they are run twice | 22:24 |
| seamus123_ | may have more success | 22:24 |
| seamus123_ | yup | 22:24 |
| seamus123_ | probably explains why it died when I tried to message myself via the thin client manager ;) | 22:24 |
| stgraber | note that we'll probably move from tcm to italc with hardy (april 2008) | 22:25 |
| stgraber | I'm working on the italc integration in Edubuntu and LTSP | 22:25 |
| seamus123_ | italc ? | 22:26 |
| stgraber | italc.sf.net | 22:26 |
| seamus123_ | Looks greast! | 22:27 |
| stgraber | yes, except a crash when entering demo mode, it's ready for integration | 22:28 |
| stgraber | and as I have like 4 months to fix a single crash, it should be in in time :) | 22:28 |
| seamus123_ | I was a little surprised there were no edubuntu forums like ubuntu - this was the only means of support I could find - I've used the ubuntu forums a lot - do you think edubuntu would ever get their own forums up and running? | 22:29 |
| seamus123 | sorry about | 22:35 |
| seamus123 | ! | 22:35 |
| seamus123 | who says OS X never crashes ;) | 22:35 |
| stgraber | well, I don't know for the others but I'm not much of a forum guy, I'm mainly following the mailinglists and IRC. So if you have questions I think it's better to come here and ask (or for LTSP related #ltsp) or subscribe to one of the mailing-list (http://lists.ubuntu.com) | 22:35 |
| seamus123 | think it was the VMware getting well and truly confused | 22:35 |
| seamus123 | thanks stgraber | 22:35 |
| seamus123 | btw: is LTSP packages available in the standard ubuntu repos ? | 22:35 |
| stgraber | sure | 22:36 |
| stgraber | every Ubuntu derivates share the same package repository | 22:36 |
| stgraber | so you could install kde on a xubuntu install for instance | 22:36 |
| seamus123 | yeah but who would choose KDE ;) ;) | 22:37 |
| pygi | :P | 22:37 |
| pygi | stop the discrimination, com'on! | 22:38 |
| stgraber | well, it's the second most used desktop so ... :) | 22:38 |
| * stgraber was a kde user back to kde 1 and 2 | 22:38 | |
| seamus123 | ahve to say KDE4 looks pretty faslh | 22:38 |
| seamus123 | flash | 22:38 |
| stgraber | yep, I'll have to give it a try. Though it's better to stay with the standard desktop when you are doing Ubuntu development (and QA testing in my case) :) | 22:39 |
| stgraber | installing : ltsp-server-standalone on a standard ubuntu should make your computer a ltsp server (you'll maybe have to tweak the network settings a bit) | 22:40 |
| seamus123 | http://asksanta.co.nz/pic1.png | 22:40 |
| seamus123 | A screenshot showing my success thanks to you! | 22:41 |
| seamus123 | top left = OS X and IRC chat | 22:41 |
| seamus123 | bottom left - edubuntu server | 22:41 |
| seamus123 | bottom right thin client | 22:41 |
| seamus123 | both running in VMfusion | 22:41 |
| stgraber | sweet | 22:42 |
| seamus123 | as the server amdin can you remote install x11vnc on a client so you can see what they're doing>? | 22:45 |
| seamus123 | I see from within TCM it says this must be installed before you can see their screen | 22:45 |
| stgraber | you would have to do that inside the client chroot | 22:45 |
| stgraber | I think we have the instructions on the wiki, let me have a look | 22:46 |
| seamus123 | ok | 22:46 |
| stgraber | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients | 22:46 |
| stgraber | you'll need to add an extra step at the end | 22:46 |
| stgraber | sudo ltsp-update-image | 22:46 |
| stgraber | those instructions being for feisty were we didn't have the squashfs image but an exported NFS chroot | 22:47 |
| stgraber | *where | 22:47 |
| stgraber | but I have to warn you that the VNC integration in TCM was really buggy (eating tons of RAM IIRC), that's one of the reason why we are moving to italc | 22:48 |
| stgraber | and the described installation of x11vnc lacks of security (no password required for remote control) | 22:48 |
| seamus123 | ok - I'm only testing this on local VM at the moment, so no security issues | 22:49 |
| seamus123 | read those instructions - this means it would be in place for all thinclients right? | 22:49 |
| stgraber | yes | 22:49 |
| stgraber | the thin clients mount some kind of network share (a squashfs image over nbd) at boot time and then use it as a hdd | 22:50 |
| stgraber | what you do here is modifying this hdd, then all clients will have it after they reboot | 22:50 |
| seamus123 | hmm after I've chroot'ed I can't run apt-get anymore | 23:02 |
| seamus123 | it gets permissions errors accessing the repo files | 23:02 |
| seamus123 | I can run apt-get no worries when not chroot'ed | 23:02 |
| seamus123 | $ sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ | 23:02 |
| seamus123 | root@edubuntu:/# apt-get update | 23:02 |
| seamus123 | Ign file: gutsy Release.gpg | 23:02 |
| seamus123 | Ign file: gutsy/main Translation-en_NZ | 23:02 |
| seamus123 | Ign file: gutsy/restricted Translation-en_NZ | 23:02 |
| seamus123 | Ign file: gutsy Release | 23:02 |
| seamus123 | Ign file: gutsy/main Packages | 23:02 |
| seamus123 | Ign file: gutsy/restricted Packages | 23:02 |
| seamus123 | Err file: gutsy/main Packages | 23:02 |
| seamus123 | File not found | 23:02 |
| seamus123 | Err file: gutsy/restricted Packages | 23:02 |
| seamus123 | etc | 23:02 |
| stgraber | hmm, ok, so try this (outside of the chroot) : sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/ | 23:03 |
| stgraber | then do : apt-get update and the apt-get install inside of the chroot | 23:03 |
| stgraber | I think the sources.list of the chroot is broken | 23:03 |
| pygi | :P | 23:03 |
| seamus123 | sorted ;) | 23:05 |
| seamus123 | btw: rebooted the edubuntu server and the DHCP server fails to start again so looks like a boot config issue | 23:05 |
| stgraber | yes, you would have to do the ifconfig trick again | 23:06 |
| stgraber | or set /etc/network/interfaces so eth1 has 192.168.0.254 as IP address set at boot time | 23:06 |
| stgraber | appending : | 23:06 |
| joebaker | I think the problem I'm having with the encrypted filesystem bootup might have to do with the Intel graphics chip support. | 23:06 |
| stgraber | iface eth1 | 23:07 |
| stgraber | address 192.168.0.254 | 23:07 |
| stgraber | netmask 255.255.255.0 | 23:07 |
| stgraber | should do it | 23:07 |
| joebaker | The F1 console is written in bigger fonts sometimes. Maybe I have a problem with the framebuffer? | 23:07 |
| stgraber | joebaker: only tty1 (F1) ? not the others ? | 23:08 |
| joebaker | The others aren't ready yet... this is early in the boot phase. | 23:09 |
| stgraber | try with : vga=normal and without splash as boot parameter | 23:09 |
| stgraber | if that's FB related, your problem will disappear | 23:09 |
| stgraber | (you can edit the boot line in grub by pressing "e" till you are editing the right line, then once edited you can boot pressing "b") | 23:10 |
| seamus123 | stgraber - does this look valid for /etc/network/interfaces: | 23:10 |
| seamus123 | # The loopback network interface | 23:10 |
| seamus123 | auto lo | 23:10 |
| seamus123 | iface lo inet loopback | 23:10 |
| seamus123 | # The primary network interface | 23:10 |
| seamus123 | auto eth0 | 23:10 |
| seamus123 | #iface eth0 inet dhcp | 23:10 |
| seamus123 | iface eth1 | 23:10 |
| seamus123 | Address 192.168.0.254 | 23:10 |
| seamus123 | Netmask 255.255.255.0 | 23:10 |
| stgraber | address and netmask without the uppercases and add an "auto eth1" just the line before "iface eth1" | 23:11 |
| seamus123 | just "before/after" iface eth1 ? | 23:12 |
| stgraber | before | 23:12 |
| seamus123 | # The primary network interface | 23:13 |
| seamus123 | auto eth0 | 23:13 |
| seamus123 | #iface eth0 inet dhcp | 23:13 |
| seamus123 | auto eth1 | 23:13 |
| seamus123 | iface eth1 | 23:13 |
| seamus123 | address 192.168.254.0 | 23:13 |
| seamus123 | netmask 255.255.255.0 | 23:13 |
| stgraber | 192.168.0.254, the rest looks good | 23:13 |
| seamus123 | $ /etc/init.d/networking restart | 23:15 |
| seamus123 | open: Permission denied | 23:15 |
| seamus123 | * Reconfiguring network interfaces... /etc/network/interfaces:13: too few parameters for iface line | 23:15 |
| seamus123 | ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces" | 23:15 |
| seamus123 | line 13: iface eth0:1 | 23:15 |
| seamus123 | I changed it from eth1 to eth0:1 to see if that fixed it, but no joy | 23:16 |
| stgraber | argh, right ... : iface eth1 inet static | 23:16 |
| seamus123 | generic q stgraber (since you know an awful lot about this stuff!) do you know if icalc or other ltsp apps have been customised for web cafe usage for linux? | 23:23 |
| seamus123 | (italc sorry!) | 23:24 |
| stgraber | I know some people use italc to manage web café even if its initial target was classrooms | 23:24 |
| stgraber | depends on what features you need | 23:24 |
| seamus123 | I guess some form of timing module and ideally billing module would be necessary | 23:25 |
| seamus123 | (just thinking aloud that's all) | 23:25 |
| stgraber | IIRC they have that kind of thing somewhere on italc todolist (or at least a plugin system) | 23:26 |
| stgraber | you can still do that yourself (at least the timing part) with a bit of scripting | 23:27 |
| stgraber | like running a script at session open time which will wait the time the user paid for and the close the session (gnome-session-save --kill --silent) | 23:27 |
| seamus123 | yup | 23:28 |
| seamus123 | was simply curious if anyone had packaged it altogether in a GUI format that's all - seemingly not at this stage (that you're aware of anyway) | 23:29 |
| seamus123 | btw: is iTalc from the Windows world orringally? | 23:29 |
| seamus123 | originally | 23:29 |
| seamus123 | looking at the screenshots it's all XP'ish | 23:29 |
| stgraber | sort of, it has been done using QT so easily multi-platform | 23:30 |
| stgraber | and they are planning a MacOS X release too | 23:32 |
| seamus123 | ahhh! | 23:33 |
| stgraber | http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Roadmap | 23:33 |
| seamus123 | btw: got VNCX11 working | 23:37 |
| seamus123 | thanks for the tip on that | 23:37 |
| seamus123 | forgot to run thelast command to update the image | 23:37 |
| seamus123 | but worked after doing that | 23:37 |
| seamus123 | LOL and yes it's buggy - hung the TCM ! | 23:40 |
| stgraber | I told you :) | 23:41 |
| seamus123 | indeed you did ;) | 23:41 |
| seamus123 | hmm blanking a users screen is of limited beneift if they can simply enter their own password again and get full access! | 23:44 |
| seamus123 | is that the intended usage? | 23:44 |
| stgraber | hmm, well that's how Pete understood my "blank screen" idea :) | 23:44 |
| stgraber | I of course meant to lock the display, not just prompt for the user password :) | 23:44 |
| stgraber | that'll be fixed with italc | 23:45 |
| seamus123 | yeah llocking the screen makes far more sense IMHO | 23:45 |
| seamus123 | esp. if it's an admin doing it to a user/student | 23:46 |
| seamus123 | they're clearly blanking it for a reason! | 23:46 |
| seamus123 | well, I've got to say I'm v. impressed with my first forays into thin client usage and Edubuntu | 23:47 |
| seamus123 | Are there any dedicated thin client hardware in v. small form factor available? | 23:55 |
| stgraber | yes, they are quite a lot, I haven't installed any large network yet (only playing with old computers as client) so I haven't really searched for that, but I know HP do some | 23:56 |
| stgraber | and there are some specialized manufacturer for that | 23:56 |
| seamus123 | expensive do you know? | 23:57 |
| stgraber | http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Clients | 23:57 |
| stgraber | hmm, IIRC the cheapest are like $120, average should be at a bit more than $200 I think | 23:57 |
| seamus123 | excluding display I presume? | 23:58 |
| stgraber | indeed | 23:58 |
| stgraber | Last I checked here they were more like $300-$400 but that's because they just receive no request, then have no stock ... Price are different if you directly order from the manufacturer and ask for a significant quantity (I was personaly looking for a single test unit) | 23:59 |
| seamus123 | yeah ebay may be a good option to pick up 2nd hand ones in small quantities I guess | 23:59 |
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