[00:13] <nosrednaekim> told you it'd hit slashdot....
[00:17] <nosrednaekim> not too many negative comments... not KDE bashing either. some people saying they don;t like gutsy though...
[00:22] <nosrednaekim> THIS is annoying though http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry1920.html
[00:22] <nosrednaekim> he';s saying get rid of a third of *ubuntu users... yeah.. thats going to work well..
[00:26] <Riddell> well, we made it to slashdot :(
[00:27] <Tm_T> hmmmm
[00:27]  * Tm_T hugs Riddell 
[00:27] <Tm_T> Riddell: we made what to slashdot?
[00:27] <stdin> the lack of LTS support in 8.04
[00:30] <Tm_T> aaa
[00:30] <Tm_T> nothing new then
[00:30] <Tm_T> nothing new or serious in my mind
[00:30] <Tm_T> (I'm not slashdot user)
[00:31] <nosrednaekim> neither am I... but I new this was going to make it to /. so I've been looking at the RSS feed
[00:34] <Tm_T> ye
[00:34] <Scotty> nosrednaekim, link please? Too lazy to go look for it.
[00:34] <Tm_T> also it's misleading but meh, what did you expect, its slashdot
[00:35] <Scotty> Ah, wait, I found it.
[00:35] <Scotty> That was relatively painless.
[00:35]  * Scotty reads
[00:36] <nosrednaekim> oops sorry.
[00:36] <Scotty> No worries.
[00:36] <Scotty> It was front page.
[00:36] <Scotty> I figured it'd be buried under new articles by now.
[01:03] <Tm_T> just like to say this out loud: first three months of year 2008 I will do my best to push KDE4/Kubuntu forward
[01:03] <Tm_T> thank you and good night
[01:03] <Tm_T> (yes yes, I need new medication)
[01:38] <CheGuevara> re
[01:45] <seele> what time is the january 2 meeting?
[01:45] <CheGuevara> check fridge.ubuntu.com
[01:46] <CheGuevara> ping Hobbsee
[01:46] <Hobbsee> CheGuevara: pong
[01:46] <seele> CheGuevara: it's not on the upcoming events list, hence the question
[01:46] <Riddell> seele: 23:00 should be
[01:46] <Hobbsee> heya Riddell!
[01:47] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee!
[01:47] <CheGuevara> Hobbsee: can you give back kmplayer please (again)
[01:47] <CheGuevara> hey Riddell
[01:47] <seele> Riddell: thanks!  happy holidays
[01:47] <Hobbsee> CheGuevara: heh.  given back
[01:47] <CheGuevara> thanks
[01:48] <CheGuevara> if  it FTBFS again you can poke me to death :P
[01:50]  * Hobbsee pokes CheGuevara with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™ a few times
[01:50] <Hobbsee> iirc, kmplayer doesn't take quite so long to build.  but yes.
[01:50] <Hobbsee> you're supposed to test build :P
[01:51] <CheGuevara> Hobbsee: it builds locally no matter what
[01:51] <CheGuevara> but fails on build machines
[01:51] <Hobbsee> ah, so it is a build problem
[01:51] <CheGuevara> not really
[01:51] <CheGuevara> its a glib problem
[01:51] <CheGuevara> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-December/003747.html
[01:52] <CheGuevara> it does right by failing
[01:52] <CheGuevara> but why it doesn't fail on local i dont get it
[01:53] <Hobbsee> local is out of date?
[01:53] <CheGuevara> no
[01:53] <CheGuevara> pbuilder update just right before the build
[01:54] <CheGuevara> and its not only me, jpatrick also confirmed it
[01:54] <CheGuevara> thats why he told you to give it back yesterday, 'cause it built fine on his local
[02:00] <CheGuevara> hardy i386   Successfully built  (ACCEPTED)
[02:00] <CheGuevara> i win :P
[02:01] <CheGuevara> no pokeys from Hobbsee :P
[02:01] <Hobbsee> yay!
[02:01]  * Hobbsee pokes CheGuevara anyway
[02:01] <CheGuevara> aww :P
[02:08] <Tm_T> hi Hobbsee
[02:09] <Hobbsee> heya Tm_T!
[02:44] <CheGuevara> http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry1920.html
[02:44] <CheGuevara> wow
[02:44] <CheGuevara> this is biggest load of bs i've read
[03:18] <Hobbsee> CheGuevara: nice way to forget xfce, server, etc, too
[03:23] <CheGuevara> yep
[03:28] <CheGuevara> time to sleep
[03:28] <CheGuevara> good night
[03:32] <Jucato> good night brave soul :)
[04:13] <CheGuevara> damn can't sleep
[04:13] <Jucato> lol :)
[04:13] <Jucato> don't let the article get to yah!
[04:14] <CheGuevara> its the netscape article
[04:14] <CheGuevara> hurts me too much that its going
[04:14] <CheGuevara> lol
[04:14] <Jucato> which one is that?
[04:15]  * Jucato only saw the KDE v. GNOME one
[04:15] <CheGuevara> haven't you heard that netscape is no longer gonna be developed?
[04:16] <CheGuevara> http://blog.netscape.com/2007/12/28/end-of-support-for-netscape-web-browsers/
[04:19] <Jucato> ow... :(
[04:19] <Jucato> wait.. who still uses netscape?
[04:20] <stdin> I used it once
[04:20] <stdin> back in the 90's
[04:23] <Jucato> I recall using it around 2000-2001 (Communicator) just because IE didn't "feel right"
[04:23] <CheGuevara> yeah but its the one that started it all :P
[05:01] <CheGuevara> nixternal: are you gonna recompile kdebase and friends against the new kde4libs?
[05:02] <nixternal> I will probably work on that tomorrow...are the buildd's working again?
[05:02] <CheGuevara> yep
[05:02] <nixternal> groovy
[05:02] <nixternal> I will work on those once again tomorrow
[05:02] <nixternal> hopefully finish everything up tomorrow
[05:02] <CheGuevara> well escept for sparc and ppc :P
[05:02] <CheGuevara> *except
[05:03] <nixternal> heh, go figure
[05:03] <CheGuevara> alright, cool
[05:53] <Scotty> Bah, can't sleep. :(
[05:57] <Hobbsee> aww
[06:03] <Scotty> Hobbsee: I'm very tempted to test the alpha build and report bugs, but I'd like a little more information on the whole testing/bug reporting process before I commit. Is there a wiki article that gives a little bit of info on it?
[06:03] <Hobbsee> !bugs
[06:03] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[06:03] <Hobbsee> hrm
[06:04] <Hobbsee> [17:03] *** The channel topic is "Ubuntu BugSquad | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ -http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad".
[06:04] <Hobbsee> Scotty: not sure how much the links at ^ will help you out
[06:04] <Scotty> Ah, those look good.
[06:04] <Hobbsee> have a read, at least, then ask some questions
[06:04] <Scotty> Thanks.
[06:04] <Scotty> Sure, sure.
[06:04] <Scotty> Thanks.
[06:04] <Hobbsee> you're welcome
[06:05] <Scotty> Hobbsee: On a scale of 1-10, how stable is the current build? I'm aware it's in alpha stages, but I'm curious.
[06:05] <Hobbsee> well, i'm not actually running kubuntu
[06:05] <Hobbsee> it's usable, now
[06:05] <Hobbsee> i'm using the old mode for intel drivers, so get no video (dvd, etc)
[06:05] <Scotty> Ah.
[06:05] <Hobbsee> some of the dependancies wait a bit, so it's still not wise to blindly hit "yes" on all upgrades
[06:06]  * Hobbsee is using ubuntu
[06:06] <Hobbsee> s/wait/break/
[06:06] <Hobbsee> dual boot, if you can
[06:06] <Hobbsee> occasionally you need a perfectly working system :P
[06:06] <Scotty> I have a dual boot at the moment with 7.10 and XP.
[06:06] <Scotty> So I'd probably just overwrite my 7.10 install.
[06:07] <Scotty> I'll probably go with Ubuntu, as well, if I decide to go with the alpha.
[06:08] <Scotty> I haven't made up my mind which I like better yet. One month I'll swear by KDE and the next I have an itch to try Gnome.
[06:08] <Scotty> I guess that's why (k)ubuntu-desktop is available :p
[06:09] <Hobbsee> tripple boot, then?
[06:10] <Scotty> I might.
[06:10] <Hobbsee> install both ubuntu and kubuntu hardy - as in, install one, then install the desktop package of the other
[06:10] <Scotty> Yeah.
[06:22] <Scotty> Hobbsee: Mind if I query you for a moment?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> Scotty: go ahead
[06:22] <Hobbsee> or ask here
[06:22] <Hobbsee> people won't eat you
[06:23] <Scotty> I realize. But I have a question I'd rather ask in private. :)
[06:23] <Hobbsee> go ahead :)
[06:44]  * Scotty yawns
[06:44] <Scotty> Goodnight, all.
[08:23] <sebastian^> good morning folks
[09:31] <imbrandon> heya sebastian^
[09:31] <Jucato> happy new year imbrandon!
[09:31] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[09:36]  * jpatrick need main uploader
[09:36] <imbrandon> jpatrick: what ya need>
[09:36] <imbrandon> ?
[09:37] <jpatrick> imbrandon: merge+build fix for kmplayer: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/kmplayer/
[09:37] <imbrandon> k
[09:38] <imbrandon> i'll do it
[11:13] <_buz> what is the proper way to get kde4 on hardy?
[11:14] <_buz> sudo aptitude install kdebase-workspace kdebase-kde4 kdebase-runtime   gives a lot of errors
[11:46] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: did you see kmplayer built fine now
[11:47] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: no, but I didn't get any FTBTS messages, so I assumed fixed
[11:47] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: great work :)
[11:47] <CheGuevara> thanks :)
[11:50] <jpatrick> imbrandon: I forgot to say kmplayer needed -sa - I included the debian tarball
[14:33] <Riddell> nixternal: where did you get to with kde 4 package uploads?
[14:33] <jpatrick> he had a problem with libqwt4-qt4-dev
[14:34] <jpatrick> Last time we checked
[15:05] <mhb> nice to see you back Riddell
[15:09] <mhb> wow, information twist
[15:10] <mhb> so is KDE/Kubuntu really completely unsupported or just not LTS material?
[15:14] <Riddell> mhb: the KDE 3 CD is normal 18 months
[15:14] <Riddell> mhb: if irssi decides not to reconnect me again to this channel, gonnae someone /msg me and tell me
[15:15] <mhb> Riddell: okies
[15:19] <mhb> Riddell: do we have any contacts to PCLinuxOS or Ark Linux? Those folks all use APT (over RPM) and KDE, so they'd crave for a decent KDE package manager over APT as much as we do
[15:21] <mhb> it would be unwise to let all three choose a different path
[15:21]  * mhb out.
[15:26] <Riddell> mhb: can't say I do
[16:11] <mhb> Riddell: might be worth a shot to contact them
[17:14] <imbrandon> moins Riddell
[17:17] <imbrandon> hrm for somereason libsmoke isnt building
[17:19] <imbrandon> Riddell: ideas ? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11096168/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.kdebindings-kde4_3.97%2Bsvn20071220-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:07] <CheGuevara> imbrandon: weird, it just built fine locally
[19:08] <jpatrick> here we go again
[19:08]  * jpatrick hides
[19:09] <CheGuevara> lol
[19:11] <CheGuevara> though admitedely i just did an svn checkout
[19:51] <apachelogger> jpatrick: you're working on tork aren't you?
[19:56] <jpatrick> apachelogger: yep
[19:56] <apachelogger> ok
[19:57] <jpatrick> apachelogger: the maintainer himself has put me into his pkging ml :)
[19:58]  * apachelogger actually thought amarok is the only project with a pkging ml :P
[19:58] <apachelogger> though ours is super private ;-)
[19:58] <CheGuevara> imbrandon: yeah your package does fail locally, but latest svn doesn't, so it must've got fixed
[19:58] <nixternal> Riddell: working on kde4 packages right now...I have been afk due to being sick, plus the buildd's were broke
[19:59] <crimsun> pfft, neither are excuses!
[20:00] <imbrandon> CheGuevara: thats for the conformation, i'll grab a fresh checkout
[20:00] <imbrandon> and see if that helps
[20:00] <imbrandon> given thats only 10 days, but things move fast at times :)
[20:01] <nixternal> still workin' on kdebindings?
[20:01] <imbrandon> nixternal: i'm pretty sure i fixed the -dev issue, but i got to get it building again to make sure
[20:01] <imbrandon> nixternal: yea, i'm gonna _try_ not to touch another package till i get this one finished
[20:01] <nixternal> the update to kdebindings is for changes made in kdelibs svn
[20:01] <imbrandon> k
[20:01] <Marty_Stoopid> is amarok 2 will be ready for the kde4.0 out ?
[20:02] <imbrandon> it really shouldent be this much of a pita as *most* of it is already in the archive
[20:02] <nixternal> it doesn't match the changes in our kdelibs package though, but I believe it also built yesterday
[20:02] <Nightrose> Marty_Stoopid: no
[20:02] <nixternal> Marty_Stoopid: more than likely it will be a little late
[20:02] <imbrandon> Marty_Stoopid: likely not, it will be compileable but not as useable as 1.x
[20:02] <nixternal> Nightrose: amarok2 recognizes daapd w/o any configuration now I see, amarok2 that is
[20:03] <Nightrose> nixternal: maybe ;-) I don´t use an follow daap tbh ;-)
[20:03] <apachelogger> rofl
[20:03] <Nightrose> *and
[20:03] <apachelogger> I had a strigi cache of 31GiB!!!
[20:03] <Nightrose> omg
[20:03] <nixternal> damn
[20:03] <imbrandon> crimsun: got time for a little advice / package question, i havent handled this situation before and need a tad bit o help ( only irc i should be able to do the $work )
[20:03] <crimsun> sure, what's up?
[20:04] <apachelogger> nixternal: actually, after KDE4.0 is out amarok will not compile :P
[20:04] <apachelogger> we are switiching to development with qt 4.4
[20:04] <apachelogger> so no go until cute 4.4 is out
[20:05] <CheGuevara> won't kde do that as well?
[20:05] <imbrandon> ok there are the kdebindings package like in kde3 , lots of bins one source, as it should be, i'm doing the same for kde4 , but untill now they were seperate in the archive, so now the kdebindings-kde4 package will produce like python-kde4 , how do i work the conflicts / replaces
[20:05] <nixternal> that is the plans
[20:05] <imbrandon> if at all
[20:05] <apachelogger> CheGuevara: well after qt 4.4 is released
[20:05] <apachelogger> we develop against snapshots until then
[20:05] <CheGuevara> qt-copy?
[20:05] <apachelogger> nah, qt-copy != 4.4
[20:05] <nixternal> imbrandon: there shouldn't be conflicts since you are installing them to usr/lib/kde4
[20:05] <CheGuevara> well not currently
[20:05] <Marty_Stoopid> dcop is not longer in use with kde4 ?
[20:06] <nixternal> we don't want to conflict with kde3 bindings since we are keeping kde3 around
[20:06] <apachelogger> CheGuevara: qt-copy is really just the latest qt release + custom patches
[20:06] <CheGuevara> wow installing windows xp on my mum's pc feels like such an emotional pain
[20:06] <nixternal> hahahaha
[20:06] <nixternal> katapult works kind of on kde 4
[20:06] <imbrandon> nixternal: right, i use "conflicts / replaces" as a general thing for the debian/control source fields
[20:06] <imbrandon> sorry for the un-clarification
[20:06] <nixternal> but we don't want to replace
[20:06] <Marty_Stoopid> CheGuevara: you means "an emotional waste of time" :)
[20:06] <CheGuevara> heh
[20:07] <Marty_Stoopid> mean*
[20:07] <crimsun> imbrandon: / nixternal: aren't they parallel-installable?
[20:07] <imbrandon> well since the binary packages are named the same i wasent thinking we would need them either but i am not 100% sure
[20:07] <CheGuevara> wonder what will happen if i install kubuntu instead
[20:07] <CheGuevara> lol
[20:07] <nixternal> crimsun: yes
[20:07] <imbrandon> crimsun: basicly the source package name is changing ( all being added to one source package ) but the binary packages it produces are exactly the same
[20:07] <nixternal> imbrandon: as long as they install to the usr/lib/kde4 it is fine with names, we don't have problems with any of the other kde4 packages and naming conflicts
[20:08] <Marty_Stoopid> what about dcop ? i think it disappear in kde4
[20:08] <jpatrick> Marty_Stoopid: replaced by dbus I think
[20:08] <crimsun> imbrandon: if the binary packages are the same, then just make sure you get the versioning correct
[20:08] <imbrandon> nixternal: right but before the source package "python-kde4" produced "python-kde4" binary , but now "kdebindings-kde4" produces "python-kde4" , so i wanted to make sure
[20:09] <Marty_Stoopid> and the kioslaves, will be there ?
[20:09] <nixternal> ahhh
[20:09] <nixternal> forgot about that
[20:09] <imbrandon> crimsun: so as long as its a higher version it should be cool without any control file magic ?
[20:10] <crimsun> imbrandon: if there are no other changes, correct.
[20:10] <imbrandon> yup, no other changes
[20:10] <imbrandon> just combneing them
[20:10] <imbrandon> ( and new upstream versions for most )
[20:11] <imbrandon> cool, thanks, just never had had this situation before so i wasent 100% sure
[20:11] <CheGuevara> Marty_Stoopid: yep
[20:11] <crimsun> we don't have a harsh hatred for epochs in source package versioning, so that's a possible route
[20:11] <Marty_Stoopid> ok
[20:36] <apachelogger> --->>> Nasrullah from Mauritius sends regards and wishes a Happy New Year 2008 <<<---
[20:44] <imbrandon> apachelogger: who from where ? heheh
[20:45] <apachelogger> a user :P
[21:25] <nixternal> interesting...got a seg fault while doing debuild and it told me to file a bug report
[21:26] <nixternal> that was the first time I have ever seen that
[21:30] <nixternal> wth, I can't build anything
[21:31] <CheGuevara> ?
[21:42] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50177
[21:42] <nixternal> that's what is wrong
[21:42] <nixternal> stupid gcc update
[21:43] <nixternal> happens on all of my machines of here
[21:43] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^ check out that paste...I can't build any kde4 apps now...man, what a painful build week for me thus far
[21:43] <nixternal> I can't build *anything* actually
[21:44] <crimsun> eww?
[21:44] <crimsun> is that ia32?
[21:44] <nixternal> I can't even build hello world
[21:44] <nixternal> ia32 and amd64
[21:44] <nixternal> but that is amd64 in the paste
[21:44] <jjesse> afternono
[21:45] <crimsun> I know I can build stuff; I've been compiling git snapshots of linux-2.6 over the past few days.
[21:45] <crimsun> I'm on ia32, however.
[21:45] <nixternal> ahh, it is amd64 only
[21:45] <nixternal> I can build Hello World on ia32
[21:45] <crimsun> yeah, I was about to say...
[21:46] <nixternal> libglib update
[21:46] <nixternal> would be nice if you could easily rollback, like say conary :p
[21:47] <crimsun> sure
[21:48] <crimsun> granted I use aptitude to do that
[21:48] <crimsun> anyhoo
[21:48] <nixternal> ya, but aptitude doesn't roll back as nicely
[21:48] <crimsun> I presume you're using gcc-4.2 4.2.2-4ubuntu3?
[21:48] <nixternal> at least it hasn't for me in the past
[21:48] <nixternal> whatever came through the update pipes just recently
[21:48] <yuriy> ah, here comes the stl
[21:48] <crimsun> aptitude is much more painstaking, yes.
[21:49] <nixternal> still, I think dpkg and apt are still superior when compared to conary
[21:49] <nixternal> conary is slow as hell when doing an update...when it grabs everything initially and does all of the checking
[21:49] <nixternal> but once it is past that part, the download/updates go fast
[21:50] <nixternal> ok, glib update fixed it
[21:50] <nixternal> whew, that was scary for a sec
[21:50] <CheGuevara> whats wrong with the glib upate?
[21:50] <nixternal> weird thing though, I had no problem building kdebindings-kde4 yesterday with it
[21:51] <nixternal> it was failing to compile
[21:51] <crimsun> nothing's wrong with the glib update AFAICT.
[21:51] <nixternal> it looks like it is working now though after the update on amd64
[21:51] <nixternal> all seems to be back to normal
[21:51] <crimsun> bah, silly Rich and his trigger-happy Vista reactions.  ;-)
[21:51] <CheGuevara> oh good, i was about to run away, since i pushed that update lol
[21:52] <nixternal> KDE 4 users...do not run kmail with kdesudo otherwise you will be in for a world of hurt
[21:52] <nixternal> and an update about strigi in kde4...it sucks big time
[21:52] <jjesse> man the only way to watch footbal is to tivio it and then watch it
[21:52] <nixternal> heh
[21:52] <nixternal> GO BEARS!
[21:52] <crimsun> yuriy: nice one, I didn't catch that.
[21:52] <nixternal> it sucks that they took until the last 2 games to play like a team
[21:52] <yuriy> crimsun: huh?
[21:52] <crimsun> we can add STL to the Vista moniker for Rich, yay
[21:52]  * jjesse watching last nights patriots game
[21:53] <nixternal> odd that bringing in Orton changed the entire atmosphere of the team
[21:53] <CheGuevara> brb
[21:53] <nixternal> I love STL
[21:53] <yuriy> crimsun: i wasn't referring to anything in the conversation, i was grumbling about adept
[21:53] <nixternal> bah
[21:53] <crimsun> yuriy: an offhand remark about Rich's blog and Boost.
[21:53] <nixternal> hehe
[21:53] <nixternal> Boost FTW
[21:53] <crimsun> yuriy: I know you weren't.  I snatched it.
[21:53] <nixternal> haha
[21:54] <yuriy> nixternal: well if you love it, decipher please: /home/yuriy/adept/adept-qt4/adept/adept/statefilter.h:75: error: no matching function for call to ‘std::vector<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >, std::allocator<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator&
[21:55] <yuriy> er that's not all of it.. damn irssi
[21:55] <nixternal> hahah
[21:56] <yuriy> raits<char>, std::allocator&
[21:56] <yuriy> huuh
[21:56] <yuriy> well anyway
[21:56] <yuriy> there are 4 consecutive triangular brackets in there
[21:57] <jjesse> wow i'm amazed at how much traffic my blog is now getting since i added it to planet.ubntu.com
[21:57] <nixternal> hehe
[23:39] <Riddell> nixternal: gcc go boom, nasty
[23:39] <Riddell> imbrandon: did you fix libsmoke?
[23:42] <CheGuevara> hey Riddell
[23:44] <Riddell> hola CheGuevara
[23:46] <CheGuevara> hows your holiday?
[23:46] <yuriy> hmm the kubuntu meeting date isn't in UWN
[23:48] <Riddell> nixternal: could you add the meeting to fridge
[23:48] <Riddell> CheGuevara: awfae fun, just went to the Nicht Afore Monster Ceilidh
[23:49] <CheGuevara> Riddell: whats that?
[23:50] <nixternal> Riddell: gcc is back up...when is the meeting?
[23:50] <Riddell> nixternal: 2nd January 23:00
[23:50] <nixternal> groovy
[23:50] <Riddell> CheGuevara: it's a large outdoor ceilidh on the night before
[23:51] <CheGuevara> oh right
[23:52] <nixternal> meeting submitted