=== elkbuntu_ is now known as elkbuntu === elkbuntu_ is now known as elkbuntu [14:47] hi [21:02] hi all, /me is online for a few minutes if you need anything important [21:03] kwwii: well ... hab' nen guten rutsch! ;) [21:03] good night! [21:13] kwwii: wb. [21:16] oops, I missed thorwil ;-( [21:16] hi troy_s [21:16] * kwwii is sitting in a cafe reading emails :p [21:17] troy_s: I posted a link with some color ideas, check it out and let me know what you think [21:17] kwwii: I think the palette unto itself is beyond expectation. [21:18] kwwii: Still facing the rather bold task of breaching the wall of 'we cannot connote any concept' to Voldemort. [21:18] kwwii: Great palette for a number of earthy concepts though. [21:18] yeah, I cannot wait to hear his response [21:18] also, I tried defining the audience, I am more worried that it will never ever be accepted [21:18] kwwii: My gut says that you should probably only bother with the basic fundamental anchor tones. Less is more. [21:19] (otherwise we can imagine the result) [21:19] I was also worried that it would be too many colors [21:19] kwwii: It probably wont. The reality is that we need something far better than 'everyone' though. And hell, I would love to see people design a little more 'gender neutral' stuffs -- it is pretty heavy on the masculine side of things for a good chunk of it. [21:20] I think I will reduce the number of shades of each color and add another compliment [21:20] kwwii: I think the hues are very realistic in numbers -- adding the value shifts is great for a 'working palette' but it scares me the folks who will inevitably take darkest x and mix with lightest y. [21:20] kwwii: but as damian said so astutely, palette alone is rather worthless. [21:20] I was thinking about the feminine aspect just yesterday, that is very hard for a male without a lot of experience to pin down I htink [21:20] mandatory at some point, but worthless at our juncture. [21:20] right [21:21] kwwii: I don't mean cliched femininity but [21:21] just 'less masculine' i guess would be the best thing I could describe it as. [21:21] for a default [21:21] I doubt that we will get anything usefull out of this process for hardy anyway [21:22] but if we take the right first steps perhaps that will make the next cycle easier [21:22] smart money is on taking elephant sources, build a very slim minimalist gdm [21:22] use elephant as base [21:22] or at least learn what we screwed up on this time around :p [21:22] yeah, elephant is already in as default, right? [21:22] it isn't a 'shocker', it has been seen by a number, has the greatest support of any of the 'default' stuffs. [21:22] sommerville said he got that done at least [21:22] well it is in the additionals [21:22] we still have vista. [21:23] oh -- hardy? [21:23] erm, it should be in as default for hardy now [21:23] i will say having installed on two laptops (and thinking about defaults) elephant reads pretty dark on the lower powered lcds. [21:23] but again, that heads into bikeshed. [21:24] (and you would probably need to get that naff orange into something that works a little more in tandem with elephant.) [21:24] right [21:24] it is a good start to show diretion though [21:25] for hardy we will not change things radically so we can really test this process out [21:25] well, I am heading back off to my mom's house now [21:25] probably be back online sometime tomorrow again [21:27] kwwii: Before you jet. [21:27] kwwii: GDM I know is a sticky issue with our 'marketing' experts out there (nameless) [21:28] kwwii: I wonder if it would be possible (if elephant is base wallpaper) to put an extremely subtle fade from centre opaque to _subtle_ elephant texture vignetting the GDM screen. [21:28] kwwii: Follow? [21:28] kwwii: It would at least provide a little visual motif echo. [21:29] (and extremely subtle otherwise the army of voices would probably storm the castle)