[14:47] <lapo> hi
[21:02] <kwwii> hi all, /me is online for a few minutes if you need anything important
[21:03] <thorwil> kwwii: well ... hab' nen guten rutsch! ;)
[21:03] <thorwil> good night!
[21:13] <troy_s> kwwii: wb.
[21:16] <kwwii> oops, I missed thorwil ;-(
[21:16] <kwwii> hi troy_s
[21:16]  * kwwii is sitting in a cafe reading emails :p
[21:17] <kwwii> troy_s: I posted a link with some color ideas, check it out and let me know what you think
[21:17] <troy_s> kwwii: I think the palette unto itself is beyond expectation.
[21:18] <troy_s> kwwii: Still facing the rather bold task of breaching the wall of 'we cannot connote any concept' to Voldemort.
[21:18] <troy_s> kwwii: Great palette for a number of earthy concepts though.
[21:18] <kwwii> yeah, I cannot wait to hear his response
[21:18] <kwwii> also, I tried defining the audience, I am more worried that it will never ever be accepted
[21:18] <troy_s> kwwii: My gut says that you should probably only bother with the basic fundamental anchor tones.  Less is more.
[21:19] <troy_s> (otherwise we can imagine the result)
[21:19] <kwwii> I was also worried that it would be too many colors
[21:19] <troy_s> kwwii: It probably wont.  The reality is that we need something far better than 'everyone' though.  And hell, I would love to see people design a little more 'gender neutral' stuffs -- it is pretty heavy on the masculine side of things for a good chunk of it.
[21:20] <kwwii> I think I will reduce the number of shades of each color and add another compliment
[21:20] <troy_s> kwwii: I think the hues are very realistic in numbers -- adding the value shifts is great for a 'working palette' but it scares me the folks who will inevitably take darkest x and mix with lightest y.
[21:20] <troy_s> kwwii: but as damian said so astutely, palette alone is rather worthless.
[21:20] <kwwii> I was thinking about the feminine aspect just yesterday, that is very hard for a male without a lot of experience to pin down I htink
[21:20] <troy_s> mandatory at some point, but worthless at our juncture.
[21:20] <kwwii> right
[21:21] <troy_s> kwwii: I don't mean cliched femininity but
[21:21] <troy_s> just 'less masculine' i guess would be the best thing I could describe it as.
[21:21] <troy_s> for a default
[21:21] <kwwii> I doubt that we will get anything usefull out of this process for hardy anyway
[21:22] <kwwii> but if we take the right first steps perhaps that will make the next cycle easier
[21:22] <troy_s> smart money is on taking elephant sources, build a very slim minimalist gdm
[21:22] <troy_s> use elephant as base
[21:22] <kwwii> or at least learn what we screwed up on this time around :p
[21:22] <kwwii> yeah, elephant is already in as default, right?
[21:22] <troy_s> it isn't a 'shocker', it has been seen by a number, has the greatest support of any of the 'default' stuffs.
[21:22] <kwwii> sommerville said he got that done at least
[21:22] <troy_s> well it is in the additionals
[21:22] <troy_s> we still have vista.
[21:23] <troy_s> oh -- hardy?
[21:23] <kwwii> erm, it should be in as default for hardy now
[21:23] <troy_s> i will say having installed on two laptops (and thinking about defaults) elephant reads pretty dark on the lower powered lcds.
[21:23] <troy_s> but again, that heads into bikeshed.
[21:24] <troy_s> (and you would probably need to get that naff orange into something that works a little more in tandem with elephant.)
[21:24] <kwwii> right
[21:24] <kwwii> it is a good start to show diretion though
[21:25] <kwwii> for hardy we will not change things radically so we can really test this process out
[21:25] <kwwii> well, I am heading back off to my mom's house now
[21:25] <kwwii> probably be back online sometime tomorrow again
[21:27] <troy_s> kwwii: Before you jet.
[21:27] <troy_s> kwwii: GDM I know is a sticky issue with our 'marketing' experts out there (nameless)
[21:28] <troy_s> kwwii: I wonder if it would be possible (if elephant is base wallpaper) to put an extremely subtle fade from centre opaque to _subtle_ elephant texture vignetting the GDM screen.
[21:28] <troy_s> kwwii: Follow?
[21:28] <troy_s> kwwii: It would at least provide a little visual motif echo.
[21:29] <troy_s> (and extremely subtle otherwise the army of voices would probably storm the castle)