[01:41] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: ping
[01:51] <kdavis> Haven't found a clear answer elsewhere...can I use mythtv with directv instead of paying for their
[01:51] <kdavis> dvr service?
[01:52] <rhpot1991> kinda
[01:52] <rhpot1991> you will need to IR blast to the satellite receiver though
[01:52] <rhpot1991> unless you have any sort of open usb/serial/firewire (which I don't think dtv does)
[01:52] <MythbuntuGuest51> hey anyone know anything about Firefly remotes?
[01:53] <kdavis> I don't have the sat box yet, so I'm not sure what it has
[01:53] <kdavis> and I saw the directions to make a cable for the mythtv backend
[02:05] <jepeltw> hello all, the MythBuntu CD refuses to boot on my older system, is there anything new about the way the CD is made bootable?
[02:06] <JThundley> have you tried safe mode, noapic, noacpi?
[02:06] <jepeltw> JThundley, I don't even get that far
[02:07] <JThundley> oh wow
[02:07]  * jepeltw pops the CD into his other box and tries checking its integrity
[02:07] <jepeltw> although I doubt it's integrity, because I had the same problem with another distro CD
[02:07] <jepeltw> the CD read light comes on and the CD spins up, but then the computer gives up on it and goes to the GRUB menu
[02:10] <jepeltw> aha, that's why you guys included Smart Boot Manager on the CD
[02:21] <jepeltw> ok never mind that, SBM gives me a disk error
[02:29] <Cackette> heym guys
[02:29] <JThundley> http://www.nforcershq.com/article3056.html
[02:29] <Cackette> does anyone here use a pcHDTV HD-5500
[02:30] <Cackette> i'm having issues
[02:32] <Cackette> anyone here?
[02:34] <toorima> i use a pchdtv 5500
[02:34] <Cackette> running what distro
[02:34] <toorima> mythbuntu
[02:34] <Cackette> how hard was it to setup
[02:34] <toorima> but i only use the hd part
[02:34] <Cackette> oh
[02:34] <toorima> worked out of the box
[02:34] <Cackette> i'm trying t get NTSC
[02:35] <toorima> ah well i've heard ppl use it for it so should work
[02:35] <Cackette> i cant get it to work for shit
[02:35] <toorima> k i've never tried it cause i have a pvr150 for sd
[02:40] <BHSPitLappy> superm1, heya
[02:41] <BHSPitLappy> there was something I wanted to ask you about, reflecting on our earlier conversation
[02:46] <hansoffate> hi, I have 2 coax cable INS.  1 labeled cable, and one labeled air on my HDTV.  I have my STB connected to the Cable connection, and I was wondering if I connected a splitter and ran a cable directly to the Air Coax connection, would the HDTV tuner be able to pick up the unencrypted channels if there are any?
[02:51] <nettow0822_> if you are referring to the tv tuner....yes it should
[02:56] <superm1> BHSPitLappy, what were we discussing?
[02:56] <superm1> i forget
[02:57] <BHSPitLappy> superm1, iTouches :P
[02:57] <superm1> ah
[02:57] <BHSPitLappy> superm1, how realistic do you think would a myth frontend be?
[02:57] <superm1> on an iPod touch?
[02:57] <superm1> very unlikely
[02:58] <superm1> there is no QT framework on them
[02:59] <BHSPitLappy> well
[03:03] <BHSPitLappy> things can be ported, etc.
[03:03] <rhpot1991> BHSPitLappy: you hack some stuff up to use the ipod touch though
[03:03] <rhpot1991> export your recordings and watch them on it
[03:03] <rhpot1991> or make some web page on the backend that you can use to control it via the ipod
[03:04] <superm1> BHSPitLappy, it would be a very ambitious project
[03:04] <BHSPitLappy> rhpot1991, I'm wondering how viable it could be as a wifi client though.
[03:04] <rhpot1991> not very, unless your gonna use mythweb
[03:04] <rhpot1991> thing aint powerful enough and very locked out
[03:04] <superm1> considering the native h264 decoding support on it, some sort of system that on the fly h264 transcoded would be necessary
[03:04] <rhpot1991> h264 takes forever to encode too
[03:05] <rhpot1991> would be better queueing them up and encoding at night or something
[03:06] <rhpot1991> superm1: I have h264 encoding working for touches, but not 5g's (stupid things are picky)
[03:06] <superm1> rhpot1991, great, how does the quality look on them thus far?
[03:06] <superm1> my transcodes for my touch were pretty meh.
[03:06] <rhpot1991> well I was encoding at a low quality so I didn't spend all day downloading them
[03:07] <rhpot1991> looked decent for an encoded cartoon, but it was on the low side
[03:20] <MythbuntuGuest85> hey anyone know how to get a Firefly remote to work
[03:21] <nettow0822_> snapstream firefly RF remote?
[03:23] <nettow0822_> if you are referring to that one ...yes
[03:30] <hansoffate> nettow0822_: so it will work?
[03:31] <nettow0822_> yes....i have two of them working on different id channels......
[03:31] <nettow0822_> the range is +30 feet
[03:32] <nettow0822_> if you mythbuntu....just install the remote section
[03:32] <hansoffate> huh? but it says air, but i don't have an attenna  So I can just connect a cable split into that port?
[03:32] <nettow0822_> I also have the mouse function working too
[03:32] <hansoffate> oh i just want to get it connected so ican just watch HDTV
[03:33] <hansoffate> I thought i could through the unencrypted Coax Cable, if i connect it to the HDTV
[03:33] <nettow0822_> oh sorry...thought you were talking about the firefly remote
[03:33] <hansoffate> oh no
[03:34] <hansoffate> does anyone else know?
[03:34] <nettow0822_> are you trying to watch through your tv tuner?
[03:34] <hansoffate> yea
[03:35] <nettow0822_> you should be able to connect the cable either input and receive hdtv
[03:35] <hansoffate> ok
[03:35] <hansoffate> gonna try it with a splitter
[03:38] <MrYutz> Anyone here with knowledge of the pcHDTV 5500 cards and the cx88-dvb module?
[03:39] <nettow0822_> yes I have one pchdtv 5500
[03:39] <MrYutz> Sweet - I was just reading your eariler chats - I might need that Firefly config as well --;)
[03:40] <MrYutz> I just installed mythbuntu 7.10, overwriting my previous install of Ubuntu 6.06 + mythtv .19.
[03:40] <nettow0822_> sure....superm and group has made it easy
[03:41] <nettow0822_> I don't use the analog side of the pchdtv 5500
[03:41] <MrYutz> My pcHDTV card is not being detected in MythBackend - well - it sees the card, and it is listed in dmesg, but the /dev/dvb device doesn't exist.
[03:42] <MrYutz> I have tried to mannual modprobe the cx88-dvb driver, but it says:  "No such device".
[03:42] <MrYutz> with a FATAL exit.
[03:43] <MrYutz> From my previous experience - this card was pretty easy - so I am wondering if there are know issues with mythbuntu or if you have to do something magical to udev to make the thing work now....
[03:43] <nettow0822_> is cx88-dvb listed when you view lsmod?
[03:43] <MrYutz> cx88xx and several others are - but not cx88-dvb
[03:45] <MrYutz> when i modprobe -v cx88-dvb, I get "FATAL:  Error Inserting cx88-dvb (/lib/modules/2.6.2214-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88-dvb.ko): No such device
[03:46] <MrYutz> The ko file does exist, and the pcHDTV card is listed in dmesg - but it won't insert the module.........
[03:47] <nettow0822_> hummm
[03:47] <MrYutz> That was pretty much my reaction.....
[03:48] <nettow0822_> one person could help you out right now....he rights code for the tuner modules
[03:48] <MrYutz> Yeah - that is probably the guy..... :)
[03:48] <nettow0822_> he is mkrufky...he in on linuxtv channel right now
[03:49] <MrYutz> Can I name drop you as an into?
[03:49] <MrYutz> intro?
[03:49] <nettow0822_> sure i'm on that channel now and just talked to him
[03:50] <BHSPitLappy> superm1, the libgpod in your team's PPA... know if it works with the Classics?
[03:51] <superm1> it does
[03:55] <nettow0822_> superm1.....having alot of artifacts on hdtv recorded shows...any ideas on how to fix this?
[03:56] <superm1> run mythtranscode on the file
[03:56] <superm1> do a mpeg2-mpeg2 transcode
[03:56] <superm1> it does a decent job scrubbing them
[03:59] <nettow0822_> ty
[04:00] <BHSPitLappy> superm1, also, what's the status on the banshee package in there?
[04:01] <superm1> should work fine
[04:01] <superm1> i haven't used it personally, but uploaded it just to rebuild against libgpod
[04:03] <BHSPitLappy> superm1, but, I don't see a deb persay
[04:04] <BHSPitLappy> in fact, it seems to be the only player you have there without packages
[04:05] <superm1> actually
[04:05] <superm1> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10677930/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.banshee_0.13.1%2Bdfsg-3%2Bppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:05] <superm1> failed to bulid
[04:05] <superm1> you're right
[04:06] <superm1> not sure
[04:07] <MrYutz> nettow0822,  can I get your Firefly configs?
[04:08] <BHSPitLappy> superm1, banshee can be nasty to build :/
[04:08] <superm1> BHSPitLappy, well i made no source changes to the source package
[04:09] <superm1> so it should have built fine
[04:10] <BHSPitLappy> superm1, I don't even understand what should be different about it.
[04:10] <superm1> yeah i'm not too sure
[04:11] <BHSPitLappy> shouldn't the libgpod changes impact even a vanilla banshee?  /me tests
[04:23] <nettow0822_> mryutz you can use this site to generate your lirc file  http://lircconfig.commandir.com/
[04:24] <nettow0822_> I will post my file on pastebin
[04:28] <nettow0822_> this is a generic lircd for the snapstream accepts all channels   http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3116/
[04:28] <nettow0822_> pastebin inserts extra lines between
[04:30] <nettow0822_> here is one of the lircd files I use....it uses channel 8  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3117/
[04:31] <MrYutz> Thx nettow0822.  I actually generated my own lircd conf file via a capture, but was having a booger of a time getting all the apps to treat the buttons the way that I wanted them to.  I will check out the LIRC commander site - it looks much easier.
[04:32] <nettow0822_> this is my lircmd (mouse)  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3118/
[04:33] <nettow0822_> this is the lirc   http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3119/
[04:36] <nettow0822_> this is the addition for the mouse function for the xorg.conf   http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/3120/
[04:39] <foxbuntu___> MrYutz, what remote issues were you having?
[04:39] <foxbuntu___> nettow0822_, mythbuntu-lircrc-generator will take care of that as well
[04:40] <nettow0822_> sorry just trying to help with what I know
[04:40] <foxbuntu___> nettow0822_, not a problem...just sharing the knowledge
[04:41] <foxbuntu___> nettow0822_, also..I maintain MLG so I always need good information to work with, as I am in the middle of a big upgrade
[04:41] <nettow0822_> the site will generate lirc for more than just mythtv
[04:44] <nettow0822_> foxbuntu are you having the same problem as me....your nick name has several underscores after it....is this the result of your nick being used by someone else?
[04:44] <foxbuntu___> naw
[04:45] <foxbuntu___> my inet dropped in and out earlier
[04:45] <foxbuntu___> nettow0822_, mlg generates a config for mythtv, vlc, mplayer, xine, xmess, xmame
[04:46] <foxbuntu___> and totem
[04:46] <nettow0822_> most of the time I can't get on irc....
[04:47] <nettow0822_> with my nick name
[04:56] <nettow0822_> is there a way to get a recorded show to be viewed on more than one frontend at the same time?
[05:42] <hansoffate> damnit, ubuntu 7.10 cd isn't booting on my main system.  I got fed up with windows today and decided to switch.  Im going to reburn the cd.
[06:09] <BHSPitLappy> hansoffate, nice move, sorry to hear about the CD
[06:18] <foxbuntu> hansoffate, what error are you getting?
[06:20] <hansoffate> i just tried my newly burnt cd, i am getting a kernel panic
[06:21] <hansoffate> i am burning kubuntu now, to see if i get a different result
[06:21] <hansoffate> foxbuntu:
[06:24] <foxbuntu> hansoffate, do you know what type of CD-ROM you are using?
[06:24] <MythbuntuGuest96> okay, so total linux noob here. ive managed to install a few various flavors and somehow manage to install VLC media player... thats about it... help! =)
[06:25] <hansoffate> TDK media, let me go check the dvd-rom drive
[06:25] <MythbuntuGuest96> i guess first question i ask is how the heck do i change names? =)
[06:26] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest96, ask your questions
[06:29] <MythbuntuGuest31> Anybody here?
[06:29] <hansoffate> foxbuntu: dvd-rw drive; this is the second time it booted to a black screen with just a blinking _
[06:30] <foxbuntu> hansoffate, but the brand of the drive, is it a samsung drive?
[06:31] <MythbuntuGuest31> Anyone care to point me in the direction of information i can actually use? Im very fluent with windows =) But this whole linux thing is just way over my head....  Managed to get mythbuntu installed, but i cant seem to get any channels to scan, and if i manualy add channels all i get is static.. oddly enough, it seems like 2 frames of the same static over and over... How can i test my tv tuner card outside of the f
[06:32] <hansoffate> foxbuntu: wow, i thought i said sony ... sorry, didn't reread what i thoguht i typed
[06:32] <hansoffate> anyways, i just tried booting kubuntu, and it looks like its booting, it hasn't gotten fully into KDE, but its almost there, i think i'll be fine
[06:38] <hansoffate> foxbuntu: maybe not, it is stuck at a blank light blue screen with a mouse and nothing else
[06:38] <hansoffate> lol, maybe it's a sign
[06:40] <foxbuntu> hansoffate, naw...just wait...sometimes it will just sit there when booting the livecd
[06:43] <MythbuntuGuest31> anybody? not asking for someone to hold my hand.. just wanting pointed in the right direction.
[06:45] <hansoffate> MythbuntuGuest31: what do you mean? have you read the documentation at the website?
[06:45] <hansoffate> foxbuntu: its been at this screen for around 15 minutes
[06:47] <hansoffate> any suggestions? neither ubuntu or kubuntu boot
[06:48] <MythbuntuGuest31> ive read the documentation, but its poorly oganised and cant make any sense of it whatsoever
[06:48] <hansoffate> i thought it was well organized, it should take you step by step
[06:48] <MythbuntuGuest31> well,i followed install instructions, no problem, got to frontend, i guess it sorta works
[06:49] <MythbuntuGuest31> but i cant find anything except for things that assume i know what im doing =)
[06:49] <MythbuntuGuest31> right now, all i'd like to acomplish is see a single image of something from the tv tuner card that isnt static
[06:51] <MythbuntuGuest31> i think i came across a .tar of drivers for this tuner card... but, here i am sitting at terminal beating my head agaisnt the wall beacuse i have zero clue what im doing, typing things like tar xzvf filename.tar
[06:52] <MythbuntuGuest31> and getting errors that i dont understand.
[06:52] <hansoffate> what tuner?
[06:52] <MythbuntuGuest31> bt878 chipset
[06:53] <MythbuntuGuest31> software seemed to have picked it up, showing the right number of inputs of the proper type
[06:53] <MythbuntuGuest31> im looking at the static tho and it dosnt look like static, its like its the same two frames of static over and over, no randomness to it
[06:54] <hansoffate> do you have it set to the right input that you have it connected with?
[06:54] <MythbuntuGuest31> i _think_ so.
[06:54] <hansoffate> is the signal from an STB?
[06:54] <MythbuntuGuest31> stb?
[06:55] <MythbuntuGuest31> ive tried all kinds of various input configs... did the 'going down the list untill one works' method didnt work =)
[06:55] <MythbuntuGuest31> oh, set top box, no, directly from wall.
[06:57] <hansoffate> do you have myth setup to the correct frequency?
[06:58] <hansoffate> i don't have myth setup in my house, just gave my parents my old box, and i just ordered new parts to build an HD one, so i can't tell you where it is
[06:58] <hansoffate> but you may have to set the frequency correctly, to IE us-cable
[07:00] <MythbuntuGuest31> tried changing to various frequencys.  Dont get anything different, just the same two frames of static.  So im kinda leaning twoards card isnt installed properly, drivers or whatever... i honestly have no clue =)
[07:01] <MythbuntuGuest31> unfortunatly everything i look for as far as anything to test tuner card outside of mythtv is all a forgein language to me...  And i have no RL linux geek friends to help me with the basics =p
[07:03] <hansoffate> sorry, can't help you
[07:04] <hansoffate> foxbuntu: yea, still doesn't boot.  First time i haven't had an ubuntu CD not boot on a computer
[07:18] <foxbuntu> hansoffate, strange
[07:19] <hansoffate> yea
[07:19] <hansoffate> they told me to use the alternate disc
[07:19] <hansoffate> in the ubuntu channel
[14:06] <chairman_> if d.dusha from the mythtv mailinglist is here or if someone is subscribing to the mailinglist. The best solution I think for controlling a Receiver via rs-232 is http://sourceforge.net/projects/hkontrol/
[14:06] <chairman_> only works for harman kardon recievers and you have to buy one of the higher end but still
[14:07] <chairman_> I have just bought one, but not tested it out yet
[15:15] <selinuxium> Does mythbuntu have any integration with the bbc iplayer? also did you manage to get the flash conversion stuff working?
[15:15] <selinuxium> Daviey ^^^
[15:18] <Daviey> selinuxium: Answered elsewhere :)
[15:18] <selinuxium> :)
[15:19] <savage1> howdie folks
[15:20] <savage1> I have a remote here that I always have to recompile lirc to get to work, it's the mce edition of the pvr 150 the rc6 remote
[15:20] <savage1> anyways, I'm following the same instructions I used before to do the ./configure and then the make make install
[15:20] <savage1> but I'm getting an errpr that no c compiler is installed
[15:21] <Daviey> sudo apt-get install gcc
[15:21] <Daviey> :)
[15:21] <savage1> thnks
[15:21] <savage1> I knew how to apt-get it but I didn't know wht IT is
[15:21] <savage1> hehe
[15:21] <savage1> I'm apt-cache searching for c compiler and all this other shit ;)
[15:22] <savage1> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[15:22] <savage1> you ever seen that?
[15:22] <savage1> it went some of the way and then came up with that
[15:22] <Daviey> savage1: install build-essentials
[15:23] <savage1> thanks
[15:24] <savage1> i wonder why this stuff isn't in tyhere already
[15:24] <savage1> must not take up too much space hehe
[15:24] <savage1> k it's working
[15:24] <savage1> shit now it wants the linux kernel source haha
[15:24] <savage1> lemme guess install source?
[15:27] <savage1> linux-source
[15:29] <savage1> alright
[15:29] <savage1> I can't get it to configure it keeps saying "configure: error: *** you need to have the Linux kernel source installed
[15:29] <savage1>         for this driver
[15:29] <savage1> "
[15:30] <savage1> and I did apt-get install linux-source
[15:30] <savage1> and it said it was already installed
[15:30] <savage1> is there a difference between that and the kernel source
[15:30] <MythbuntuGuest34> what is the trick to get the channel guide working with schedules direct? All i get is blank screen
[15:30] <savage1> I set the free 7 day trial of schedules direct up, and it works but I'm not getting channel data yet
[15:31] <MythbuntuGuest34> i took notice that during the channel guide population i got alot of 401 errors
[15:31] <savage1> I exited mythtv to give it some time maybe it takes time to download or something?
[15:31] <MythbuntuGuest34> it's been over 20 hrs now..lol
[15:31] <savage1> wow
[15:31] <savage1> I'm not sure man
[15:32] <savage1> mine wouldn't even display tv until I did schedules direct
[15:32] <savage1> it's weird
[15:33] <savage1> i need toi configure out how to load kernel source
[15:34] <MythbuntuGuest34> i don't have tv either.Been working on this for over a week now with the same results
[15:35] <savage1> did you set up your capture card, do the retrive linup w/ sched direct, and then setup the video source and do a channel scan?
[15:36] <savage1> sudo apt-get install kernel-package
[15:36] <savage1> that's how it's done
[15:37] <MythbuntuGuest34> i beleive it's setup correctly. I'm using the hauppauge pvr-150 card with remote
[15:37] <savage1> I had the issue w/ the damned video input
[15:37] <savage1> yeah I've got the 150 too, w/ the rc6 remote
[15:37] <savage1> it's a pain in the ass
[15:37] <savage1> I usually get the tv working but then the remote won't work
[15:37] <savage1> generally, I need to recompile the nrewest lirc and select mceusb2
[15:37] <savage1> this is my like 5th time getting this fucker to work
[15:38] <MythbuntuGuest34> so what's the best way to install the newest lirc
[15:38] <savage1> go to lirc.org
[15:38] <savage1> basically, wget it, then extract it, then go in and do a ./configure in the directory
[15:39] <savage1> this interface comes up and then you gotta chose your shit, do mceusb2 that's what I'm trying
[15:39] <savage1> then do the thing that says "save configuration and run configure"
[15:39] <savage1> that'll get it ready so you can make and make install it
[15:40] <MythbuntuGuest34> ok i'll give that a try then
[15:40] <savage1> but you need to have the kernal source installed
[15:40] <savage1> which I don't know how to do
[15:41] <savage1> I thought it was sudo apt-get install kernel-package
[15:43] <nettow0822_> anyone know how to get the same recorded show to play on two different frontends at the same time?
[16:02] <Aquahallic> Mornin' all
[16:52] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[16:52] <MilhousePunkRock> Are there common reasons why mythwelcome would terminate when the frontend is closed?
[17:26] <MythbuntuGuest34> Well i got it to work now but don't ask me how..lol I went into the terminal did an update and messed with some settings in mythtv now i have the program guide working
[19:06] <theshadow> alright, I tried to do an upgrade a couple of weeks ago and it was updating mysql. it got stuck and I had to reboot. Now I can't get it to upgrade or update or anything cause it keeps trying to shutdown /var/run/mysqld but that doesn't exist
[19:07] <theshadow> And I have no idea what to do now. Can any one give me a hand?
[19:20] <nettow0822_> the last resort would be to re-install mythbuntu
[19:21] <nettow0822_> not how to tell you to fix your problem other than re-install
[19:49] <linuxbomb> is there a free replacement for zap2it?
[19:49] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[19:49] <tgm4883_laptop> although there is a nominal fee replacement
[19:50] <linuxbomb> is that question asked a lot? I know about the fee replacement
[19:50] <tgm4883_laptop> not really, it only effects people in the US or canada, and most decided that the $20/year fee is worth it
[19:51] <tgm4883_laptop> but we do get a question from time to time about it
[19:51] <tgm4883_laptop> there are other ways to get the data, but it always turns out that those ways are not very good
[19:51] <linuxbomb> xml
[19:52] <tgm4883_laptop> no, xml is a good way to get it
[19:52] <tgm4883_laptop> some people use screen scrapers, but those pretty much suck, and any change of the website will render it pretty much useless
[19:54] <Dr_willis> Then there was some other alternative that was a bit cheaper then $20 a year. but i never did get it working with mythtv yet.
[19:54] <linuxbomb> what are those?
[19:55] <Dr_willis> https://cttvlistings.net/
[19:55] <Dr_willis> That site mentions MythTV - but i could find no docs/info on setting it up with mythtv
[19:55] <Dr_willis> it also has a free '4day ahead' listing
[20:00] <Iolaus> Hey all, anyone know who is in charge of the weekly Trunk builds?
[20:00] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, superm1
[20:00] <tgm4883_laptop> why?
[20:01] <tgm4883_laptop> Iolaus, whats the problem?
[20:01] <laga> hey
[20:01] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, Iolaus was asking
[20:01] <laga> so, who wants to know about trunk builds?
[20:04] <linuxbomb> why is this channel called ubuntu-mythtv and not just mythtv...... I'm only curious because I use gentoo
[20:05] <laga> well
[20:05] <laga> do you really need an answer?
[20:05] <Iolaus> I posted the bug I ran into here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-trunk/+bug/177906
[20:05]  * tgm4883_laptop smacks himself in the head
[20:05] <Iolaus> heh
[20:05] <Iolaus> that was classic
[20:06] <laga> Iolaus: oh, thanks for remiding me! yes, that's easy to fix :) will be finxed in the next weekly build i hope. in the meantime you should be able to remove mythtv-common before installing the rest
[20:06] <linuxbomb> yep I think its a big conspiracy its like ubuntu is trying to get there name on everything like lmce installs with kubuntu and there is no lmce in portage whats up with that
[20:06] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxbomb, probably maybe just perhaps if I had to guess and this is completely off the top of my head because this channel is dedicated to those who run mythtv on ubuntu or mythbuntu
[20:07] <Iolaus> laga: thanks for the heads up!  I just do an apt-get remove on myth-common before doing the apt-get dist-upgrade?
[20:07] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxmce uses ubuntu as it's base
[20:07] <laga> Iolaus: should be fine
[20:07] <laga> Iolaus: i hope ;)
[20:07] <Dr_willis> they shoul dof named it mceubuntu
[20:07] <Iolaus> laga: I'll give that a shot on my virtual machine and see if it works
[20:08] <Dr_willis> McUbuntu
[20:08] <tgm4883_laptop> Dr_willis, would you like fries with that
[20:08] <Dr_willis> tgm4883_laptop,  I was just thinking that..
[20:08] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll take 1 McUbuntu and a large coke
[20:08] <Dr_willis> SuperSize your Disrto at McUbuntus!
[20:10] <linuxbomb> I wonder if ubuntu and schedulesdirect.org are like you know..
[20:10] <tgm4883_laptop> what?
[20:10] <tgm4883_laptop> at war?
[20:10] <tgm4883_laptop> in love?
[20:10] <linuxbomb> $$ you know $$
[20:10] <tgm4883_laptop> getting it on?
[20:11] <tgm4883_laptop> well since schedulesdirect.org works with mythtv, and mythtv is on all distro's, im not sure why you would think that
[20:11] <linuxbomb> what about lmce?
[20:11] <laga> how optimized is your gentoo?
[20:11] <tgm4883_laptop> what about it?
[20:12] <linuxbomb> it runs on ubuntu
[20:12] <tgm4883_laptop> and your point is?
[20:12] <linuxbomb> nevermind forget it
[20:12] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxmce is a combination of ubuntu and plutohome
[20:12] <tgm4883_laptop> plutohome itself runs on debian
[20:13] <tgm4883_laptop> mythbuntu runs on ubuntu, are you saying that we are missing our kickback from mark?
[20:13] <linuxbomb> I'm not saying anymore
[20:14] <laga> why
[20:14] <tgm4883_laptop> Secondly, even if schedulesdirect and ubuntu were in some sort of money agreement, so what?
[20:14] <linuxbomb> there probably monitoring this
[20:15] <tgm4883_laptop> again, so what?
[20:15] <linuxbomb> what does ubuntu have to gain?
[20:16] <tgm4883_laptop> what does ubuntu have to gain from what?  from having an aggrement with schedules direct?
[20:16] <linuxbomb> yes
[20:17] <tgm4883_laptop> i dont know, you tell me, you are the one that thinks that they have one
[20:17] <linuxbomb> who is ubuntu's main competition?
[20:17] <tgm4883_laptop> um, redhat
[20:18] <linuxbomb> think bigger
[20:18] <tgm4883_laptop> or microsoft
[20:18] <tgm4883_laptop> bigger than ms?
[20:19] <Dr_willis> RIAA!
[20:19] <Dr_willis> :)
[20:19] <linuxbomb> ubuntu is trying to get in with the cable companys and they get there foot in the door with schedules direct
[20:19] <tgm4883_laptop> but SD works with all distros
[20:19] <tgm4883_laptop> your reasoning is flawed
[20:20] <tgm4883_laptop> not to mention that if Ubuntu is trying to compete directly with MS on the Media Center front, then channel data is not where they should be focusing on
[20:20] <Dr_willis> I feel that Channel Data should be free from your cable provider.. but I guess thats Communist thinking.
[20:21] <tgm4883_laptop> If thats the case, they should be working on licensing agreements for DVD and satellite and cable companies
[20:21] <linuxbomb> what is a pvr without channel data?
[20:21] <tgm4883_laptop> Dr_willis, what if you get your channels OTA?
[20:21] <Dr_willis> linuxbomb,  its a VCR that uses disk not tape.
[20:22] <Dr_willis> I got a low end PVR that cant use any channel data. it can use that TVGUIDE+ # to get shows. but I just set it to record sci-fi all day and let it record.
[20:22] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxbomb, what does UBUNTU gain from an agreement with SD that everyone (including MS users) can use the channel data from?
[20:23] <linuxbomb> thats what they want you to think
[20:23] <linuxbomb> did you vote for george bush?
[20:23] <tgm4883_laptop> wtf are you even talking about
[20:23] <Dr_willis> Bigfoot is running for Congress!
[20:23] <linuxbomb> I dont see any sd stuff on microsoft's site but its all over mythtv's site
[20:24] <tgm4883_laptop> but it's not on Ubuntu's sit
[20:24] <tgm4883_laptop> e
[20:24] <linuxbomb> but lmce runs on ubuntu and now they have this mythbuntu thing its called fusion
[20:24] <tgm4883_laptop> so wouldnt that point to an agreement between Mythtv and schedules direct
[20:25] <Dr_willis> https://cttvlistings.net/  - is a competator also.. but i cant get it working with Mythtv yet.
[20:25] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxbomb, so wouldnt that point to an agreement between Mythtv and schedules direct
[20:25] <linuxbomb> Dr_willis, they dont want it to work with mythtv
[20:25] <Dr_willis> its powered by zap2it.
[20:25] <linuxbomb> tgm4883_laptop, yes and mythtv + ubuntu
[20:26] <Dr_willis> linuxbomb,  they make a big deal/mention of MythTV on their site however.
[20:26] <linuxbomb> Dr_willis, mythtv doesn't want it to work
[20:26] <linuxbomb> mythtv/ubuntu
[20:26] <tgm4883_laptop> Dr_willis, linuxbomb one of Schedules Direct's founders is a MythTV developer
[20:27] <linuxbomb> exactly
[20:27] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxbomb, I ask again, so what
[20:27] <linuxbomb> so ubuntu wants to be the next time warner cable
[20:28] <Dr_willis> and take over the world...
[20:28] <tgm4883_laptop> linuxbomb, wtf are you talking about, MythTV may have an agreement with SD, but not Ubuntu.
[20:28] <linuxbomb> and they are using your money to do it
[20:28] <tgm4883_laptop> do you see the difference between Ubuntu and MythTV?
[20:28] <linuxbomb> you mean mythbuntu
[20:29] <tgm4883_laptop> so what are your thoughts on Knoppmyth or Mythdora?
[20:29] <linuxbomb> they dont work
[20:29] <tgm4883_laptop> I suppose that they are also being used for ubuntu domination?
[20:29] <linuxbomb> and do you know why?
[20:29] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll be nice and let you finish your question
[20:30] <linuxbomb> knoppmyth and mythdora ...... neither one worked for me , I dont think they work at all
[20:30] <linuxbomb> its a cover
[20:31] <tgm4883_laptop> sure, just because they were here before mythbuntu, and people used them.  but whatever
[20:31] <Dr_willis> They both worked for me...  I perfered Knoppmyth
[20:31]  * Dr_willis is totally confused now.. but figures it dosent matter.
[20:32] <tgm4883_laptop> Dr_willis, linuxbomb is gone, we don't need trolls here
[20:32] <Dr_willis> Yep. :)
[20:32] <tgm4883_laptop> although what just happened will just fuel his crap
[20:32] <Dr_willis> Ive had better debates on weather ufo's exist, or the moonlanding.
[20:32] <Dr_willis> Or bigfoots.
[20:33] <laga> dude
[20:33] <Dr_willis> or if Bigfoots in ufo's landed on the moon, to promote Ubuntu!
[20:33] <laga> do you really believe the moon landing is real
[20:33] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, this is not mythbuntu support
[20:33] <tgm4883_laptop> don't make me ban you too
[20:34] <Dr_willis> dude.. you really believe its not. :)   but thats for #debian chat...
[20:34] <Dr_willis> back to work for me
[20:34] <laga> heh
[20:34] <laga> same here :)
[20:41] <Iolaus> tgm4883_laptop: Any idea when the next trunk build with the libmyth-perl fix will be coming out?
[20:42] <tgm4883_laptop> Iolaus, ask laga
[20:43] <laga> Iolaus: when i tell superm1 he should fire off a build :)
[20:43] <laga> Iolaus: not more than two days
[20:43] <laga> i'm, kinda busy with something else right now
[20:44] <laga> a first attempt at diskless frontends :)
[20:44] <Iolaus> heh, that's what I've just set up
[20:44] <Iolaus> :)
[20:44] <laga> actually, expect a fix in the next 24 hours. gotta get up early tomorrow :)
[20:44] <Iolaus> awesome
[21:17] <MythbuntuGuest66> hello
[21:17] <tgm4883_laptop> hi
[21:30] <Dr_willis> Wowsers
[21:33] <wilberfan> anyone else have their myth install freeze when they delete the only recording?  Mine ALWAYS locks up solid then!  I have to alt-sysrq RSEIUB to get out of it...
[21:34] <wilberfan> For example, if I have 3 shows recorded, I can delete 2 of them, but as soon as I delete the last remaining one?   Lock-up!
[21:34] <laga> _solid_? sounds nasty
[21:34] <laga> any logs?
[21:35] <wilberfan> mmm... maybe.  not sure where to look for those...kind of a newb...
[21:35] <wilberfan> SUPER solid....
[21:36] <laga> maybe /var/log/messages and /var/log/mythtv/
[21:40] <wilberfan> hmmm...  myth isn't booted at the  mo'...   i'll have to check around in there...
[22:00] <CygnusX1> Is this the mythbuntu channel?
[22:01] <CygnusX1> Just installed mythbuntu 7.10.  I cannot enable the VNC Server option.  I enable it, put a password in, and apply.  No errors.  Come back into the service setup and it is disabled again.
[22:02] <superm1> CygnusX1, try to install vnc4server manually
[22:03] <superm1> at a command line
[22:03] <superm1> and then reconfigure it in mcc
[22:04] <CygnusX1> superm1: okay.  Thank you.  Trying that now...it's asking for the CDROM...
[22:04] <superm1> that's why it was failing :)
[22:05] <superm1> its a known bug
[22:05] <CygnusX1> arg...I looked all over and couldn't find any info.
[22:05] <CygnusX1> I supposed I need to edit the repositories?
[22:05] <superm1> no
[22:05] <superm1> just install from the cd
[22:05] <superm1> its not a big deal
[22:05] <CygnusX1> Oh...okay.
[22:06] <superm1> the bug has been fixed in hardy
[22:09] <superm1> if you put in the cd before you start the install in mcc, it will work properly there too
[22:11] <CygnusX1> Heh.  Now it looks like I am running into another known bug: no medium found
[22:11] <wilberfan> superm1: have you heard about myth systems locking up hard when deleting the only recording?
[22:11] <superm1> wilberfan, if using ext3
[22:12] <wilberfan> if i have 3 shows recorded, i can delete any 2 of them...   when i delete the last one--my myth system locks-up super hard...
[22:12] <superm1> CygnusX1, you can just disable the cd in software-sources
[22:12] <wilberfan> i have to alt-sysrq RSEIUB to get out of it...
[22:12] <wilberfan> superm1: I'm using XFS,,,
[22:13] <superm1> yuck
[22:13] <CygnusX1> Nice...that is working.  Thank you superm1
[22:13] <wilberfan> lol  is that yuck directed at me?
[22:14] <superm1> CygnusX1, can you make a post wherever you were looking but not finding this info?
[22:14] <superm1> so other users will be able to find it too
[22:14] <superm1> wilberfan, yeah
[22:14] <superm1> i'm not too sure what to say there
[22:15] <wilberfan> it's very unfortunate..to say the least!!
[22:15] <wilberfan> i'm thinkin' i'll have to record something small--and just leave it in there...
[22:15] <wilberfan> :-P
[22:15] <CygnusX1> superm1: Sure can.  I'll probably try and fix this CDROM issue though as well.  I should check and see if a DVD will play from it.
[22:17] <CygnusX1> Okay...now this kicks butt for managing the ole mythbox
[22:18] <superm1> that's the goal of it :)
[22:19] <wilberfan> superm1: no other thoughts on my freeze-up problemo...?
[22:20] <superm1> beyond bad hardware somewhere, no
[22:20] <wilberfan> hmmm.... not sure if it's related, but it started happening after a fairly big update a few days ago...
[22:21] <wilberfan> (as i recall, mythtv was in the update list, too...)
[22:22] <wilberfan> I assumed some other folks would have reported the same problem...
[22:22] <wilberfan> :-\
[22:22] <superm1> the update to mythtv was only for pvr-350 outputs
[22:22] <superm1> eg to a tv
[22:22] <wilberfan> right...i do happen to have a pvr-350...
[22:23] <wilberfan> there was a butt-load of things updating, as i recall...couple of dozen...?
[22:23] <superm1> are you using the tv-out of it?
[22:23] <superm1> if not then its not rel.
[22:24] <wilberfan> well..let's see...no, my video-out is from my nvidia card...
[22:27] <wilberfan> would there likely be anything in a log somewhere...?
[22:29] <superm1> about what was installed?
[22:29] <superm1> /var/log/dpkg.log
[22:29] <superm1> or something similar
[22:31] <wilberfan> superm1: no, i meant that might shed some light on what's making it lock-up so hard...
[22:31] <superm1> set up a serial console
[22:31] <superm1> to look what is happening
[22:31] <superm1> that's about the best you can do for tracking a hard lock like that
[22:32] <wilberfan> never heard that term "serial console"?
[22:32] <superm1> you log all kernel messages over a serial cable
[22:32] <superm1> to another computer
[22:32] <wilberfan> my "record-a-5-minute-program-and-leave-it-there" solution would be easier...
[22:32] <wilberfan> lol
[22:33] <wilberfan> thanks for scratchin' your head with me, though....
[22:34] <wilberfan> i've also had a couple of situations (since that big update) where my recorded programs don't show up in any list....
[22:35] <wilberfan> but 2 or 3 reboots later, there they are...!
[22:37] <wilberfan> superm1: that one perplexes me, too....
[22:37] <superm1> those are some rather odd transient issues
[22:37] <wilberfan> arent' they though!
[22:38] <wilberfan> i also had the myth frontend start and then fail back to the xfce desktop a few times...
[22:38] <wilberfan> that DIDN'T happen the last couple of boots, though...
[22:38] <superm1> well if you do manage to track any of these odd ones down, please do file bugs upon them
[22:39] <wilberfan> yah, you betcha...
[22:39] <wilberfan> laters...
[22:39] <wilberfan> thanks again...
[23:08] <MythbuntuGuest76> anyone having issues with Schedules direct and mythfilldatabase?
[23:12] <tele> does anyone know of a good dvd backup that will copy the movie data without converting it, but removing css etc
[23:13] <nettow0822_> anyway to get two frontends to play a recording at the same time.......
[23:13] <nettow0822_> I like to have the recording going on two tv's
[23:43] <nettow0822_> hey tgm4883
[23:44] <nettow0822_> anyway to get two frontends to play a recording at the same time....
[23:46] <tgm4883> you mean at exactly the same type? (ie synced)
[23:48] <nettow0822_> yes....I have two tv's in different rooms.....would want both to play the same recorded program at the same time....walk from one room to the other and not miss anything
[23:48] <nettow0822_> not sure how to start this?
[23:49] <nettow0822_> right now I have to fast forward / rewind to adjust based on time
[23:52] <tgm4883> AFAIK, it's not possible.  There is a blueprint for it though, although it has not been picked up by anyone
[23:52] <nettow0822_> ok
[23:53] <nettow0822_> it would be nice for football games
[23:53] <nettow0822_> on another note....I saw where you replied to a post about a palm...
[23:54] <nettow0822_> I just got a centro from sprint
[23:55] <nettow0822_> I syncing....
[23:55] <nettow0822_> but it times out
[23:56] <nettow0822_> i'll have to play with it some more....
[23:56] <nettow0822_> just wanted to know....it sounds like you have some experience with this