[00:00] <mhb> wow, that's soon
[00:00] <Riddell> ooh, it's the most exciting day of the year
[00:00] <mhb> heh :o)
[00:01] <mhb> it's exciting provided you don't have a ton of stuff to learn for school
[00:04] <CheGuevara> lol
[00:05] <mhb> say that to the Darboux's theorem
[00:05] <mhb> :o)
[00:05] <nixternal> I still have 2 weeks before school starts back up
[00:05] <nixternal> hoping this semester will be a bit more peaceful
[00:05] <nixternal> however, this semester, I need to find me a job :)
[00:06] <nixternal> no more free money
[00:07] <mhb> nixternal: for you or for us from you?
[00:07] <CheGuevara> heh
[00:07] <nixternal> haha, neither :p
[00:08] <mhb> !visternal
[00:08] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[00:08] <mhb> I still see free money...
[00:08] <CheGuevara> lol
[00:18] <nixternal> kdelibs manpages do not like me at all
[00:20] <CheGuevara> :P
[00:25] <imbrandon> Riddell: i'm working on getting it fixed right now, they tell me a newer svn snapshot will fix it, i'll be able to confirm here in a few minutes
[00:26] <CheGuevara> ... if not he'll get Hobbsee to poke me to death
[00:26] <nixternal> hahahha, kdebindings is whoopin' on ya still? don't feel bad, kdelibs is whoopin' on me
[00:26]  * Hobbsee looks in
[00:26] <nixternal> but adding a custom dh_installman option in rules should help me
[00:26]  * CheGuevara hides
[00:57] <nixternal> kde4libs reupload initiated
[00:57] <nixternal> and now for the rest of kde4
[00:58] <CheGuevara> w00t
[01:20] <CheGuevara> am i on crack or there's no trash bin plasmoid in kde 4
[01:21] <mhb> both
[01:22] <CheGuevara> :P
[01:23] <Marty_Stoopid_> someone told me to give suggestion for the next release, it's here
[01:24] <Marty_Stoopid_> i find that ubuntu/kubuntu have 2 big problems
[01:26] <yuriy> wow so many errors are having to convert std::string to QString
[01:30] <mhb> yuriy: still playing with Adept?
[01:30] <yuriy> yup
[01:30] <mhb> Marty_Stoopid_: go on
[01:31] <mhb> CheGuevara: that makes it the ideal start for plasma development if you're a Kubuntu fan
[01:31] <Marty_Stoopid_> first of all, kubuntu doesn't have a gui for the firewall (and more after installation netfilter is not actif)
[01:31] <mhb> ooh, they just have 11 days until KDE4 comes out
[01:32]  * mhb wonders if they manage to fix the Desktop plasmoid
[01:32] <CheGuevara> 11 till release
[01:32] <CheGuevara> which means 5 days till tagging
[01:32]  * Hobbsee wonders what the point of a GUI for an already-set firewall is.
[01:32] <mhb> right
[01:33] <Hobbsee> if you happen to need a particular port unblocked, etc, or wahtever, then you should be smart enough to install a firewall.
[01:33] <mhb> Hobbsee: AFAIK there's no firewall on default installs
[01:33] <Marty_Stoopid_> i always have to install firestarter after install kubuntu, a dead application because choice is short
[01:33] <Hobbsee> to customise it as you wish
[01:33] <Hobbsee> mhb: iptables, last i checked.
[01:33] <mhb> Hobbsee: right, meaning "Chain * (policy ACCEPT) "
[01:33] <CheGuevara> heh
[01:33] <mhb> last I checked, which is a few seconds ago
[01:33] <nixternal> I fell asleep while kdepimlibs5 was building, right here in my chair
[01:34] <Hobbsee> mhb: always has been.  no open ports by default either, short of the avahi, and standard points also, iirc.
[01:34] <Marty_Stoopid_> Hobbsee: opensuse, after installation firewall block all ports and there is a gui
[01:34] <CheGuevara> lol nixternal
[01:34] <fdoving> nixternal: that is a hint, go sleep.
[01:34] <Hobbsee> yes, but is there a GUI that most people are going to change anyway?
[01:34] <nixternal> I had some good ol' chicago style chili dogs for dinner and now I am lacking energy :)
[01:34] <mhb> Marty_Stoopid_: yes, but we do not leave any ports open on the default Kubuntu installation
[01:34] <mhb> Marty_Stoopid_: so basically, there's nothing we can firewall
[01:34] <CheGuevara> mmm chili dogs
[01:34] <Marty_Stoopid_> mhb: wrong
[01:35] <Hobbsee> mhb: it seems rather pointless to give a GUI for stuff that will hardly ever need changing.
[01:35] <Hobbsee> mhb: and there's avahi stuff which now has a few open ports
[01:35] <mhb> Hobbsee: not me who's complaining :o)
[01:35] <Hobbsee> mhb: i know.  i'm agreeing with you :)
[01:35] <Marty_Stoopid_> after installation all of my ports are opended
[01:35] <Marty_Stoopid_> opened*
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Marty_Stoopid_: what are you using to check that?
[01:36] <Marty_Stoopid_> just try to connect to computer with ssh or samba and it works
[01:36] <Hobbsee> yes, i said avahi-based stuff was open.
[01:36] <Hobbsee> that includes ssh, samba, etc
[01:36] <Hobbsee> has been for a few releases now
[01:37]  * Hobbsee notes it's also already been extensively discussed on the forums, devel mailing lists, including with the security people, and the answers ahve been given as "no"
[01:37] <Marty_Stoopid_> Hobbsee: but this is bad that ports are open
[01:37]  * Hobbsee suggests blocking port 80 and 6667/8001 too then.
[01:37] <Marty_Stoopid_> a standard user does not need any ports opened
[01:38] <CheGuevara> mandriva/opensuse provide a firewall frontend i think
[01:39]  * Hobbsee would have thought smb was a fairly reasonable one to leave open
[01:39] <Marty_Stoopid_> CheGuevara: yes and this is a cruel missing in ubuntu
[01:39] <Hobbsee> Marty_Stoopid_: what was the other one?
[01:40] <Marty_Stoopid_> Hobbsee: nothing to fix a broken grub through the livecd
[01:40] <mhb> Marty_Stoopid_: also, please note that this decision is not ours to make, we just conform to the standard Ubuntu policy, so even if your suggestion was valid, you should direct your opinion to the Ubuntu communication cahnnels.
[01:40] <Hobbsee> !grub
[01:40] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:40] <Marty_Stoopid_> we have to type somes commands to do that
[01:40] <CheGuevara> are we talking about ubuntu or kubuntu :P
[01:40] <Hobbsee> CheGuevara: both
[01:41] <CheGuevara> well if its kubuntu then it does belong here
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Marty_Stoopid_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#head-bf3232f10ddf1b078de064622ccbb25225cdb3c0 and such?
[01:42] <CheGuevara> hmmm
[01:42] <CheGuevara> i feel like doing an svn up on kde 4
[01:42]  * Hobbsee ponders the idea of grub magically trying to figure her multiboot (>2 OS') system.
[01:42] <mhb> Hobbsee: doesn't it?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> mhb: not from a live cd, when it attempts to guess which partition i want it on
[01:43] <Hobbsee> mhb: it does when doing a normal install, sure
[01:43] <mhb> ah
[01:43] <Hobbsee> Marty_Stoopid_: the question there really is - what are you doing to make grub break?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> grub shouldn't *be* breaking
[01:43] <Marty_Stoopid_> with opensuse, you put the dvd, 3 or 4 clicks and grub is back and fixed, this is a noob stuff
[01:43] <Hobbsee> unless you install windows or something.
[01:43] <Hobbsee> hah
[01:44] <Hobbsee> when suse detects my multi-boot system, i'll be very impressed.
[01:44] <Marty_Stoopid_> Hobbsee: well after reinstalling windows, some friends lost linux
[01:44] <Marty_Stoopid_> and sometimes, kernel update put away windows entreis
[01:44] <Marty_Stoopid_> entries*
[01:44] <mhb> that's a valid point there Marty_Stoopid_ . actually the main reason why we don't have it is because we lack volunteers.
[01:45] <Marty_Stoopid_> opensuse detects all os and fix grub with all entries
[01:45] <Hobbsee> didn't when i last tried.
[01:45] <Marty_Stoopid_> i started linux with suse and now i'm using both opensuse and kubuntu
[01:46] <Hobbsee> Marty_Stoopid_: that oen sounds more reasonable anyway  - how about you code something that will fix grub on all machines?
[01:47] <Marty_Stoopid_> ?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> use opensuse as a base.
[01:47] <Hobbsee> if you so wish
[01:47] <Marty_Stoopid_> you asking me what i do to fix grub on friends machines ?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> then we can look at getting it into ubuntu
[01:49] <Hobbsee> no, i want you to code it into an app to put it on the live cd.
[01:52] <Marty_Stoopid_> i'm not a coder but i think that won't be hard to put a shortcut on livcd desktop and it open i little apps with gui which detect os (update-grub), you can change order, times, ect, and choose where to put the grub (mbr or somewhere else)
[01:52] <Marty_Stoopid_> but maybe, i'm wrong and it's hard to create that thing
[01:54] <mhb> it's not hard
[01:54] <mhb> you just need someone who a) wants to do it b) has time to do it
[01:54] <Marty_Stoopid_> mhb: suse got this duty before novell and i don't think suse have bigger communauty than ubuntu
[01:54] <mhb> many people here fulfill a) but not b)
[01:55] <mhb> I don't, for example
[01:55] <mhb> and the rest of the community most likely doesn't fulfill a)
[01:55] <mhb> believe me, it's uncommon to meet a volunteer that really puts a lot of time into his efforts
[01:56] <Marty_Stoopid_> if i was coder, i' ll do it after work
[01:56] <mhb> usually volunteers have a lot of enthusiasm at the beginning, but they lose it rapidly and they stop participating completely after a while
[01:56] <CheGuevara> so true
[01:56] <Marty_Stoopid_> but i'm starting to learn bash and python so ... :)
[01:56] <mhb> unless motivated by something, like money, or eternal fame
[01:58] <Marty_Stoopid_> but there ar so many free applications in developpment and some people don't give up
[01:59] <Marty_Stoopid_> canonical enginneers could do it
[02:01] <nixternal> I QUIT!
[02:01] <CheGuevara> bye
[02:01] <nixternal> lost motivation, see ya!
[02:01] <nixternal> ;p
[02:01] <mhb> I knew it all along
[02:01] <nixternal> hehe
[02:01] <nixternal> I bet you did
[02:01] <CheGuevara> nixternal: can you finish the rest of kde first, kthxbye
[02:01] <CheGuevara> just kidding :P
[02:01] <mhb> actually I'm pulling the strings so you'll leave here
[02:01] <nixternal> building kdebase right now
[02:01] <mhb> so the place at the Kubuntu Council will be vacant ...
[02:02] <nixternal> you want it? it is yours!
[02:02] <CheGuevara> lol
[02:02] <nixternal> at least I voted -1 on Dolphin
[02:02] <mhb> nixternal: now, did I mention the free money you seem to be giving out? :o)
[02:02] <nixternal> you didn't get any? maybe next time :p
[02:03] <Marty_Stoopid_> what are the Ubuntu communication channels ?, i'm gonna beg after them :)
[02:03] <mhb> nixternal: nah, I always say you should quit Foresight and Debian activities
[02:04] <nixternal> I haven't done anything for either in quite some time
[02:04] <mhb> Marty_Stoopid_: the mailing list is the best place, I guess
[02:04] <mhb> Marty_Stoopid_: look around lists.ubuntu.com
[02:04] <Marty_Stoopid_> mhb: there ? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[02:05] <mhb> first asking on a mailing list could be good
[02:05] <mhb> http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[02:06] <fdoving> gnite.
[02:06] <Marty_Stoopid_> ok
[02:07] <Marty_Stoopid_> thanks for your listenning
[02:08] <Marty_Stoopid_> i'm a poor french semi geek who ask some terrible requests :)
[02:08] <jelmer> hi Marty_Stoopid_
[02:09] <Marty_Stoopid_> jelmer: hi , do i know you ?
[02:09] <jelmer> don't think so
[02:09] <Marty_Stoopid_> ok :)
[02:10] <Marty_Stoopid_> jelmer: is the word "french" that awake you ?
[02:10] <jelmer> not really
[02:10] <nixternal> I just watched the Google "Poisonous People" talk, and I have come to realize, I would be considered poisonous to this project
[02:11] <jelmer> I do know some french, but it's very limited
[02:11] <jelmer> nixternal: the one from the Subversion people?
[02:11] <nixternal> ya
[02:11] <Marty_Stoopid_> jelmer: I do know some english, but it's very limited toot :)
[02:11] <Marty_Stoopid_> too*
[02:11] <nixternal> ya, Ben Sussman gave the talk at the LUG a few weeks back
[02:11] <jelmer> nixternal: why would you be poisonous to the project?
[02:12] <nixternal> I want a bikeshed
[02:12] <nixternal> ;p
[02:12] <nixternal> perfectionist to a point
[02:12] <CheGuevara> heh
[02:13] <mhb> nixternal: you would be poisonous?
[02:13] <nixternal> yup
[02:13] <mhb> bull....
[02:13] <mhb> I've dealt with such poisonous people
[02:14] <mhb> you're not one of them
[02:14] <nixternal> even after eating chili dogs?
[02:14] <mhb> no
[02:14] <nixternal> I beg to differ on that one :p
[02:14] <Marty_Stoopid_> ok i'm gonna leave you (it's 3:15 am here) so i go to bed, thanks for your patience
[02:14] <mhb> it's the kind of people who believe they are right and the majority is wrong, to the point that they are going to report to Community Council about the injustice done on them.
[02:15] <nixternal> k'nite Marty_Stoopid_
[02:15] <nixternal> so I guess I should stop reporting all of you to the CC then :)
[02:15] <Marty_Stoopid_> nixternal: "K'" like kde ?
[02:15] <nixternal> you got it :)
[02:15] <Marty_Stoopid_> original
[02:15] <nixternal> actually, that is Jucato's baby
[02:16] <nixternal> I stole it, so he would be the *un* original on that one :)
[02:16] <mhb> nixternal: if we decided you should not be a part of Kubuntu council anymore, would you write in your blog about it? With titles like "Kubuntu Council is incompetent and should be replaced"?
[02:16] <nixternal> probably :p
[02:16] <mhb> if so, I'd consider you poisonous.
[02:17] <nixternal> nah, I would step down before I was replaced anyways
[02:17] <mhb> but you're far too old for that :o)
[02:17] <nixternal> hahaha
[02:17] <nixternal> ass
[02:17] <mhb> nixternal: it's good to be old sometimes.
[02:17] <nixternal> what happened to all of the Google dev videos? they had some great c++ ones on Boost and STL, and now I can't find them
[02:17] <mhb> nixternal: you can pretend to be wise.
[02:17] <nixternal> I have been pretending to be * for ever
[02:24] <yuriy> i'm trying to make a konsole part, where is the Part.h supposed to be? or am i looking at this all wrong..
[02:25] <mhb> yuriy: I guess at the place where you construct the konsole Part.
[02:26] <mhb> yuriy: but that's such a stupid answer that I guess I need more info :o)
[02:26] <yuriy> i mean, the include, i can't find it on the system
[02:26] <mhb> ah
[02:26] <yuriy> and i have kdebase-dev-kde4 installed
[02:28] <mhb> ./include/kparts/part.h
[02:29] <mhb> that's from my SVN build, though
[02:32] <yuriy> i think i need the thing for konsole specifically
[02:40] <nixternal> /usr/include/kparts/part.h
[02:41] <nixternal> /usr/include/kde/kparts/part.h
[02:41] <nixternal> forgot the kde
[02:44] <mhb> yuriy: I see your point.
[02:46] <mhb> yuriy: I cannot find that file in my KDE4 SVN build directory.
[02:48] <mhb> yuriy: so I guess we're looking at it wrong :o)
[02:54] <mhb> yuriy: ping
[02:55] <mhb> yuriy: well, let me know if you wanna know how to do it.
[02:58] <mhb> yuriy: or, if you aren't doing it yet, check out Dolphin's terminalsidebarpage.cpp .
[03:03] <CheGuevara> brb
[03:04] <CheGuevara> omg new icons!
[03:12] <CheGuevara> new log out dialog as well
[03:21] <nixternal> wtf is up with kdebase-kde4
[03:22] <nixternal> what goes first? kdebase-kde4, kdebase-runtime
[03:25] <CheGuevara> good question
[03:25] <CheGuevara> runtime i think
[03:26] <nixternal> tis what it looks like
[03:26] <CheGuevara> damn
[03:27] <nixternal> but only for installation it seems
[03:27] <CheGuevara> kde 4 compositing sucks on intel
[03:27] <nixternal> not for me it doesn't
[03:27] <nixternal> works like a champ
[03:27] <mhb> on some intels it does.
[03:27] <nixternal> 945 chipset
[03:27] <CheGuevara> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[03:27] <CheGuevara> got any special xorg.conf options nixternal
[03:28] <nixternal> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[03:28] <nixternal> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[03:28] <nixternal> same as me
[03:28] <Scotty> Bah. My wireless doesn't work on Hardy and the method I used to make it work on 7.10 doesn't work either. It would be a gigantic pain to get an ethernet cable from my router to where I am. Is there anyway I can run 8.04 with a virtual machine while I'm in 7.10 or anything else?
[03:28] <CheGuevara> nixternal: and its not sluggish at all for you?
[03:28] <nixternal> Section "Device" Identifier      "Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller" Driver          "i810" BusID           "PCI:0:2:0" Option          "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps"
[03:28] <nixternal> EndSection
[03:28] <mhb> I've got the same one.
[03:28] <nixternal> that pasted nicely
[03:29] <mhb> vewwy sluggish.
[03:29] <CheGuevara> xaanoffscreenpixmaps should be useless
[03:29] <CheGuevara> it now uses exa by default
[03:29] <CheGuevara> nixternal: opengl ?
[03:29] <nixternal> that is from Dapper maybe?
[03:29] <nixternal> no opengl
[03:30] <CheGuevara> xrender?
[03:30] <nixternal> I haven't done a fresh install since dapper on this machine
[03:30] <CheGuevara> ah
[03:30] <nixternal> err, I have it set for opengl, but when I try to do the earth plasmoid, it says I don't have opengl support
[03:30] <CheGuevara> nixternal: any other special options u change in the effects settings?
[03:30]  * nixternal boots into kde4
[03:31] <nixternal> let me check..brb
[03:31] <CheGuevara> kk
[03:33] <CheGuevara> we need the drm patches which are in the -mm kernel
[03:33] <CheGuevara> then intel will perform much better
[03:37] <nixternal> alrighty, back
[03:37] <nixternal> I removed my xorg.conf and it is still working fine
[03:38] <nixternal> actually seems to work a tad bit quicker
[03:38] <nixternal> nah, maybe not
[03:38] <CheGuevara> hint for intel users
[03:38] <CheGuevara> add export INTEL_BATCH=1
[03:38] <CheGuevara> to your .bashrc
[03:39] <CheGuevara> Forecast: an early TTM implementation has been proposed for merger in 2.6.25
[03:39] <CheGuevara> damn
[03:39] <CheGuevara> wonder if the kernel team can be convinced to add it for hardy
[03:43] <nixternal> hey, with the xaa crap, it is way better
[03:43] <nixternal> I just tested it
[03:46] <CheGuevara> hmmm
[03:47] <CheGuevara> nixternal:
[03:48] <CheGuevara> what does "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EXA"
[03:48] <CheGuevara> say
[03:48] <nixternal> nadda
[03:49] <mhb> hmm, doesnt help here
[03:49] <CheGuevara> that could be why then
[03:49] <CheGuevara> mhb
[03:49] <CheGuevara> you do the same command
[03:49] <mhb> actually my system uses the "intel" driver for some reason, "i810" cant do the right resolution.
[03:50] <mhb> using EXA for acceleration.
[03:50] <CheGuevara> exactly
[03:50] <CheGuevara> nixternal uses xaa and we use exa
[03:51] <CheGuevara> exa sucks withot the new drm
[03:51] <CheGuevara> lets test
[03:51]  * mhb rebuild kdebase in the meantime.
[03:52] <nixternal> you know, I think Hobbsee recently had issues pertaining to this same stuff with Ubuntu and Compiz
[03:53] <CheGuevara> yeah she was saying that intel driver still sucked
[03:53] <CheGuevara> brb lets see what this di
[03:53] <CheGuevara> *did
[03:53] <nixternal> I just want a transparent konsole in kde4 and I will be happy
[03:54] <CheGuevara> nixternal: whats the average fps you get in glxgears
[03:55] <nixternal> how do I tell it to do fps?
[03:55] <nixternal> can't remember the flag
[03:55] <CheGuevara> yep switched to xaa and added that option, effects work perfectly
[03:55] <nixternal> --show-fps
[03:55] <CheGuevara> nixternal: does it without the flag for me
[03:56] <nixternal> isn't showing me any fps w/o flags
[03:56] <nixternal> I take that back
[03:56] <nixternal> hehe
[03:56] <CheGuevara> :P
[03:57] <mhb> CheGuevara: how do you "switch" to XAA?
[03:57] <nixternal> 900+ fps
[03:58] <CheGuevara> Option          "AccelMethod"   "xaa"
[03:58] <mhb> thanks.
[03:58] <nixternal> I don't have "xaa" set in my xorg.conf
[03:58] <nixternal> then again, I have no idea what half that crap in xorg.conf even does ;)
[03:59] <CheGuevara> 7077 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1415.261 FPS
[03:59] <CheGuevara> :P
[04:00] <CheGuevara> thanks for helping me diagnose this nixternal
[04:01]  * CheGuevara goes to enable all the effects
[04:01] <CheGuevara> lol
[04:01] <nixternal> hehe
[04:01] <nixternal> holy shite, how did you get those fps?
[04:01] <nixternal> hrmm, I am going to try your option instead of the one I have
[04:02] <CheGuevara> but yeah basically between now and the release either new drm needs to go into the ubuntu kernel or people's xorg.conf need to be changed
[04:02] <CheGuevara> nixternal: http://pastebin.ca/839669
[04:03] <mhb> I'm also around 1000.
[04:03] <mhb> tweaking that xorg.conf fixed the speed for me.
[04:04] <CheGuevara> INTEL_BATCH=1 makes a big diff as well
[04:04] <nixternal> 5375 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1074.988 FPS
[04:04] <nixternal> wo0t
[04:04] <CheGuevara> :)
[04:05] <nixternal> hrmm...worthy of a blog note?
[04:05] <CheGuevara> hehe
[04:11] <imbrandon> 8835 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1766.910 FPS , no xorg tweaking
[04:11] <CheGuevara> imbrandon: what card is that
[04:11] <imbrandon> nvidia 6100 le
[04:11] <yuriy> mhb: i think i figured it out but i'll have a look
[04:12] <CheGuevara> binary drivers?
[04:12] <imbrandon> yea, intergrated onboard
[04:12] <CheGuevara> eww :P
[04:12] <imbrandon> works nice
[04:12] <imbrandon> :)
[04:12] <imbrandon> obviously heh
[04:13] <imbrandon> i've got a x16 PCIe ATI card arround here somewhere, but i like my nvidia better
[04:13]  * CheGuevara plots to run "s/nvidia/nv/" on imbrandon's Xorg.conf while he's sleeping
[04:13] <imbrandon> never
[04:14] <yuriy> yay for trying to port a block of code with three instances of the word "hack"
[04:14] <CheGuevara> but its a binary blog, and breaks gpl and all that!
[04:14]  * dasKreech grins at yuriy
[04:14] <imbrandon> and ... ? you act like i should have the same ideals as you :)
[04:15] <mhb> yuriy: so how is it going?
[04:15] <dasKreech> CheGuevara: Binary blogs? I can't view Source? damn them!!!
[04:15] <mhb> yuriy: is anything working yet?
[04:15] <CheGuevara> imbrandon: sorry i forgot </irony> :P
[04:15] <imbrandon> :)
[04:15]  * dasKreech ponders the point of blogging if it's not human readable
[04:15] <CheGuevara> ati's open source drivers are great
[04:15] <yuriy> mhb: nope. just going through the compile errors one by one
[04:15] <CheGuevara> open source yeah
[04:15] <CheGuevara> but all in hex instructions without comments
[04:16] <CheGuevara> try to understand whats happening there
[04:16] <nixternal> CheGuevara: I am with you! sudo apt-get remove *restricted*
[04:16] <nixternal> muhahahah
[04:16] <nixternal> RMS4LIFE
[04:16] <nixternal> hahahaha
[04:16] <imbrandon> ati's drivers might be open and great but their cards suck
[04:16] <nixternal> ati's drivers aren't open yet
[04:16] <imbrandon> nixternal: their specs are
[04:16] <nixternal> Novell said February possibly for an alpha last I heard
[04:17] <nixternal> imbrandon: just their 2d specs thus far
[04:17] <dasKreech> nixternal: Umm You do know that you can install Stallman right ?
[04:17] <imbrandon> there is an alpha NOW in svn :)
[04:17] <CheGuevara> lol
[04:17]  * CheGuevara points at nouveau
[04:17] <nixternal> that really isn't alpha in there right now, unless you like 800x600
[04:17] <nixternal> if you get it to compile/build of course
[04:17] <dasKreech> I don't recall AMD saying they would opensource the drivers
[04:18] <nixternal> we have an ati nutjob in chiglug going crazy with their svn stuff right now
[04:18] <dasKreech> !!info vrms | nixternal apt-get away
[04:18] <ubotu> nixternal apt-get away: vrms: virtual Richard M. Stallman. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.13 (gutsy), package size 11 kB, installed size 92 kB
[04:18] <imbrandon> nixternal: sure it compiles and all that, its in the repo iirc
[04:18] <nixternal> ya, I looked at the code, and none of it makes a lick of sense to me :)
[04:19] <dasKreech> !fins libinfinote
[04:19] <CheGuevara> why would u look at the code :P
[04:19] <nixternal> bored one time at a lug event
[04:19] <CheGuevara> heh
[04:19] <nixternal> someone had it checked out on this machine and they were doing a code expose
[04:20] <nixternal> go go kdebase-runtime-kde4
[04:20] <CheGuevara> i wish more people would sponsor nouveau already
[04:20] <dasKreech> AMD opening specs should be nice
[04:20] <nixternal> ya, I donated a bit within the past couple of months...I received a members call from the FSF on it
[04:21] <CheGuevara> you really should emerge vrms
[04:21] <CheGuevara> :P
[04:21] <CheGuevara> huh
[04:21] <CheGuevara> emerge
[04:21] <CheGuevara> i mean apt-get
[04:21] <dasKreech> don't doubt that in 5 years (assuming the company is still floating) FOSS drivers will be better than the company's :-)
[04:21] <dasKreech> Spy!!!
[04:21] <CheGuevara> damn
[04:21] <mhb> look out, he wants our source code ...
[04:21] <CheGuevara> i just got exposed :P
[04:22] <CheGuevara> The following packages have been kept back:
[04:22] <CheGuevara>   kde4libs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-dev kdepimlibs5 kdepimlibs5-dev
[04:22] <CheGuevara> aww :P
[04:22] <dasKreech> please cover him up!
[04:22] <nixternal> 27 non-free packages, 1.1% of 2402 installed packages.
[04:22] <nixternal> ouch
[04:23]  * CheGuevara admits to adminestering a gentoo server
[04:23] <CheGuevara> administring even
[04:23] <dasKreech> CheGuevara: Linux is linux
[04:23] <dasKreech> Unless it's slackware
[04:24] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50235/
[04:24] <CheGuevara> heh
[04:24] <nixternal> dasKreech: slackware is one of the greatest distros ever!
[04:24] <nixternal> still my #1/#2 love
[04:24] <CheGuevara> nixternal: how did you do that?
[04:24] <nixternal> !info vrms
[04:24] <ubotu> vrms: virtual Richard M. Stallman. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.13 (gutsy), package size 11 kB, installed size 92 kB
[04:24] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:24] <CheGuevara> ah thats what it does
[04:25] <nixternal> ya
[04:25] <dasKreech> It tells you how much coal you get in your stocking
[04:25] <CheGuevara> 9 non-free packages, 0.7% of 1283 installed packages.
[04:25] <CheGuevara> ha :P
[04:25] <dasKreech> baaaaad boy nixternal :)
[04:25] <nixternal> I need Java though to pay the bills
[04:25] <nixternal> don't know why vmware kernel crap is installed
[04:25] <CheGuevara> and we need restricted-modules for wifi
[04:26] <nixternal> it isn't installed
[04:26] <nixternal> so whatever vrms reads from is full of lies
[04:26] <nixternal> I don't have sun-java5* either
[04:26] <nixternal> nor opera
[04:26] <CheGuevara> lol
[04:26] <nixternal> nor linux-restricted-modules
[04:26] <nixternal> nor skype, unrar
[04:27] <nixternal> nor php-doc
[04:27] <CheGuevara> u really don't have unrar?
[04:27] <dasKreech> Heehee that should hopefully get into the good part with Sun Open sourcing java
[04:27] <nixternal> no I don't have unrar
[04:27] <CheGuevara> wow
[04:27] <CheGuevara> thats one thing i know i wont be able to live without
[04:28] <nixternal> hrmm, i did have unrar
[04:28] <nixternal> wth did that come from
[04:28] <CheGuevara> see :P
[04:28] <nixternal> 7zip?
[04:28] <CheGuevara> what about it
[04:29] <nixternal> ahh, the stuff on the botton aren't installed, but counted nontheless
[04:29] <nixternal> which is silly
[04:29] <CheGuevara> it doesn't show for me
[04:30] <CheGuevara> http://pastebin.ca/839691
[04:31] <dasKreech> the Linux kernel?
[04:32] <CheGuevara> lol
[04:32] <CheGuevara> i just noticed that
[04:32] <dasKreech> HURD or go to hell!
[04:32] <CheGuevara> haha
[04:32] <CheGuevara> why not BSD :P
[04:33] <dasKreech> Do you really want me to go and pull up the detailed explanation as to why he doesn't officially recommend BSD ?
[04:33] <CheGuevara> dasKreech: he = ?
[04:33] <mhb> KDE4 is getting better and better.
[04:33] <dasKreech> umm
[04:34] <dasKreech> nvrms?
[04:34] <mhb> I even like the effects, what I don't like is the fact that it consumes ~5% of my CPU when almost idle.
[04:34] <CheGuevara> oh him :P
[04:34] <dasKreech> mhb: yay captain obvious :)
[04:34] <CheGuevara> lol lol
[04:35] <mhb> dasKreech: what is not that obvious is the fact that knotify4 eats that.
[04:35] <CheGuevara> 1001      4186  1.7  4.4 211116 45552 ?        Sl   03:53   0:42 /home/kde-devel/kde/bin/knotify4
[04:36] <dasKreech> 4.2 FTW
[04:36] <CheGuevara> wow xorg and and firefox3 consume 20% of my cpu each
[04:36] <CheGuevara> great
[04:37] <mhb> gnight.
[04:38] <CheGuevara> night
[04:47] <dasKreech> night
[04:51] <nixternal> errm, why does kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 conflict with kdebase-bin-kde3 all of a sudden?
[04:52] <nixternal> I thought you were able to run kde4 and kde3 side-by-side in Kubuntu?
[04:55] <CheGuevara> you are :P
[04:55] <nixternal> these kde4 packages are giving me a headache
[04:55] <nixternal> they are starting to not make sense
[04:55] <nixternal> I think merging at this time from Debian is a bad idea
[04:56] <nixternal> so what I will do, is just do stdin's patches and upload
[04:56] <CheGuevara> kdebase-bin-kde3 is old
[04:56] <CheGuevara> it shouldn't be installed
[04:56] <nixternal> well I just installed Kubuntu 8.04 on my machine and it is there, so it can't be to old
[04:56] <CheGuevara> its just kdebase-bin
[04:57] <CheGuevara> yeah but if you install kde4 it'll get removed
[04:57] <nixternal> heh, you can't remove kdebase-bin-kde3, otherwise you lose what is called, well KDE
[04:57] <CheGuevara> yes you can
[04:57] <CheGuevara> kdebase-bin is the kde3 package now
[04:57] <nixternal> if it gets removed, then digikam, k3b, kdebase-bin, kdebase-kio-plugins, kdesktop, kdm, kmail, kmailcvt, konqueror, and the list goes on...gets removed
[04:58] <CheGuevara> how come it doesn't for me?
[04:58] <nixternal> this is a brand new hardy install too
[04:59] <CheGuevara> kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[04:59] <CheGuevara> and i don't have kdebase-bin-kde3 installed
[05:00] <nixternal> it is installed here...this is absolutely stupid
[05:00] <nixternal> we have shit going into /usr/bin from the kde4 packages
[05:01] <CheGuevara> ok i am starting to understand
[05:01] <CheGuevara> i was wrong
[05:01] <CheGuevara> kde-base bin requires kdebase-bin-kde3 OR kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4
[05:01] <nixternal> I thought people were going crazy in #kubuntu and I even argued with them that it is possible to install them side-by-side
[05:01] <nixternal> according to this, I can't install them side-by-side
[05:02] <CheGuevara> nixternal: but it is
[05:02] <CheGuevara> i do it
[05:02] <CheGuevara> i can go into kde 3 right now if you want :P
[05:04] <nixternal> well if kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 conflicts with kdebase-bin-kde3, you can't install them side-by-side, as you will remove a lot of your kde3 apps
[05:05] <CheGuevara> not really
[05:05] <CheGuevara> kde-devel@cheguevara-laptop:~$ apt-cache rdepends kdebase-bin-kde3
[05:05] <CheGuevara> kdebase-bin-kde3
[05:05] <CheGuevara> Reverse Depends:
[05:05] <CheGuevara>   kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4
[05:05] <CheGuevara>  |kdebase-bin
[05:05] <nixternal> ahhhh
[05:05] <CheGuevara> thats it
[05:05] <nixternal> there is an updated kdebase-bin in the ppa
[05:05] <nixternal> that's why
[05:05] <nixternal> glad I looked at kubuntu.org
[05:05] <CheGuevara> i never had the ppa in my sources/list
[05:05] <dasKreech> How many ppas are there?
[05:05] <CheGuevara> *sources.list
[05:06] <nixternal> hrmm
[05:06] <nixternal> this is just for gutsy
[05:06] <dasKreech> What the dickens is libinfinote ?
[05:06] <CheGuevara> yeah the ppa is for gutsy
[05:06] <nixternal> apt-cache source will tell you that
[05:07] <CheGuevara> just like apt-cache rdepends will tell you nothing depends on kdebase-bin-kde3 :P
[05:10] <CheGuevara> nixternal: here you go
[05:10] <CheGuevara> kdebase (4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-2) unstable; urgency=low
[05:11] <CheGuevara> nixternal:
[05:11] <CheGuevara>    +++ Changes by Armin Berres:
[05:11] <CheGuevara>  .
[05:11] <CheGuevara>    * Split off kdebase-bin-kde3 which contains executables which can be provided by
[05:11] <CheGuevara>      KDE3 or KDE4.
[05:11] <CheGuevara> meh sorry for the double highlight :P
[05:11] <nixternal> hehe
[05:13] <CheGuevara> nixternal: is kdebase the last one to merge?
[05:13] <nixternal> heck no, that is just the beginning
[05:13] <CheGuevara> w00t lol
[05:13] <nixternal> I can't install kde4 from the repos at all
[05:13] <nixternal> bad depends
[05:13] <CheGuevara> from hardy repos?
[05:14] <CheGuevara> lets see the output
[05:14] <nixternal> ya
[05:14] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50238
[05:15] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50238
[05:15] <nixternal> OK, just testing my irssi alias there
[05:15] <CheGuevara> lol
[05:15] <nixternal> got sick of typing that all the way out
[05:16] <nixternal> forkin' libunfig crap
[05:16] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:16] <nixternal> damnit all to hell
[05:17] <CheGuevara> i was about to say i bet its that
[05:17] <CheGuevara> need a rebuild of kdebase against the kdelibs with my patch
[05:17] <dasKreech> Who forked it?
[05:17] <CheGuevara> then things should be ok
[05:17] <nixternal> ya, let me get those uploaded really quick, as I have already tweaked on them
[05:19]  * CheGuevara feels bad for people who want both kde 4 and mplayer installed
[05:19] <nixternal> don't work?
[05:19] <nixternal> what about kplayer?
[05:20] <CheGuevara> that will workf ine
[05:20] <CheGuevara> mplayer depends on ungif :P
[05:21] <nixternal> that is an easy fix
[05:21] <CheGuevara> yep
[05:21] <CheGuevara> but so do about 30 other packages
[05:21] <nixternal> SHITE
[05:21] <CheGuevara> bug 174252
[05:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174252 in libungif4 "transition to libgif" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174252
[05:21] <CheGuevara> i've been doing loads of debdiffs
[05:21] <dasKreech> CheGuevara: I feel bad for those who want KDE4 and to kommunicate on the net... instantly
[05:23] <CheGuevara> heh
[05:23] <nixternal> why can't you communicate instantly?
[05:23] <nixternal> I haven't had an issue yet with it
[05:23] <CheGuevara> nixternal: need help with anything? i can't sleep :P
[05:24] <dasKreech> Kopete and konversation not there :(
[05:24] <dasKreech> is ksirc ported?
[05:24] <dasKreech> i have not checked
[05:24] <CheGuevara> nop
[05:24] <CheGuevara> no kde 4 irc clients
[05:25] <dasKreech> Or IM?
[05:25] <nixternal> dasKreech: I have kopete in my kde4
[05:25] <nixternal> don't have konversation though
[05:25] <CheGuevara> yeah kopete is there
[05:25] <dasKreech> Kopete made it?
[05:25] <nixternal> ya
[05:25] <CheGuevara> yep
[05:25] <nixternal> been in there for a bit now
[05:25] <dasKreech> I know it's being ported is it good enough to ship?
[05:25] <nixternal> about as good as everything else
[05:25] <dasKreech> that's not good :)
[05:25] <nixternal> sure it is
[05:25] <CheGuevara> next konversation is gonna be the last qt3
[05:26] <nixternal> KDE 4.0 isn't for mom and dad in the first place
[05:26] <CheGuevara> then they'll start porting
[05:26] <nixternal> KDE 4.0 is going to be far from perfect, but it is going to allow those who are interested in helping place their eyes on everything and file bugs
[05:26] <nixternal> that is the reason for the big push right now
[05:27] <nixternal> kde4 krush days were OK, but not the greatest turn-out
[05:27] <dasKreech> I'm thinking 4.1 for geeks
[05:27] <dasKreech>  4.2 for non technophobes
[05:27] <CheGuevara> as long as the libs are stable
[05:27] <nixternal> 4.1 will be what everyone is expecting
[05:27] <dasKreech> 4.3 for picky folks who aren't biased
[05:27] <dasKreech> 4.4 for average dimwits
[05:27] <nixternal> 4.3 won't be until 3+ years down the road
[05:27] <dasKreech> 4.5 for picky biased people
[05:27] <nixternal> 4.1 should be by the end of 2008
[05:28] <dasKreech> hopefully before october :)
[05:28] <CheGuevara> nixternal: u sure it won't be sooner?
[05:28] <nixternal> I was told towards the end of 08
[05:28] <nixternal> there will be 4.0.1, 4.0.2, 4.0.3 and so on
[05:28] <CheGuevara> ah right
[05:28] <CheGuevara> what do you think we'll end up with in hardy
[05:29] <CheGuevara> .0.2 ?
[05:29] <nixternal> 4.0/4.0.1
[05:29] <nixternal> dont' think a .0.2 will be out by then, but you never know
[05:29] <nixternal> we are already at the halfway point for hardy pretty much
[05:29] <nixternal> I can't wait for this dev cycle to be over with honestly
[05:29] <nixternal> it has been an annoying one from the get go for me
[05:30] <CheGuevara> heh the real cycle hasn't started for us :P
[05:30] <nixternal> alrighty then
[05:30] <nixternal> jeesh, kdebase-runtime is taking forever to upload
[05:31] <nixternal> CheGuevara: don't hit that button :p
[05:31] <CheGuevara> hmmm
[05:31] <CheGuevara> X crashed
[05:31] <CheGuevara> hehe
[05:31] <CheGuevara> seriously though, screen went black
[05:31] <CheGuevara> and i ende up at kdm
[05:31] <CheGuevara> *ended
[05:31] <nixternal> that is always fun
[05:31] <nixternal> in kde4?
[05:31] <nixternal> I have to admit, this is the most stable kde4 has been for me
[05:31] <nixternal> I have all kinds of crap going on
[05:32] <nixternal> 4 ssh sessions, knetwalk (my favorite game right now), konqi, and some dog pr0n
[05:32] <CheGuevara> huh
[05:32] <CheGuevara> dog pr0n?
[05:32] <CheGuevara> lol
[05:32] <nixternal> watching the dog tournament :)
[05:33] <CheGuevara> heh
[05:34] <nixternal> one thing we have to do though, is shut off all of the annoying kde4 kwin sounds
[05:34] <CheGuevara> mine shut off by themselves
[05:34] <CheGuevara> somehow lol
[05:34] <CheGuevara> hmm 5:30 am
[05:34] <nixternal> and in knetwalk, when you win, it congratulates you
[05:34] <nixternal> in a voice
[05:34] <nixternal> 23:34 here
[05:34]  * CheGuevara explores the opportunity of going to sleep
[05:34] <nixternal> and I am getting tired
[05:35] <nixternal> haha
[05:35] <CheGuevara> i could stay up and wait for kdebase
[05:35] <CheGuevara> lol
[05:35] <CheGuevara> but that would just be sad :P
[05:35] <nixternal> ya, considering the buildds will take their sweet arse time with them
[05:37] <CheGuevara> nixternal: tomorow if i have time (new year's eve after all), do you want me to test some merges?
[05:38] <nixternal> we can figure something out for you if you are bored :)
[05:38] <nixternal> maybe you can work on the rest of stdin's merges
[05:38] <nixternal> actually
[05:38] <nixternal> ya, you could do that
[05:38] <nixternal> just need to provide you with the updated cdbs/ directory and call it a merge from debian
[05:39] <nixternal> 10 minutes now kdebase-runtime has been uploading
[05:39] <CheGuevara> nixternal: i need a little break from that libgif shit, its really boring lol
[05:39] <nixternal> hahahaha
[05:40] <nixternal> libgif reared its hugly head and bit me in the ass tonight already
[05:40] <nixternal> libungif rather
[05:40] <CheGuevara> yeah, that transition needs to be done before the next alpha preferably
[05:40] <nixternal> no doubt
[05:40] <nixternal> which I think we will be good on a kde4 standpoint
[05:41] <CheGuevara> but then it doesn't depend on us, but on ubuntu
[05:41] <nixternal> whatever you do in kde4, don't drag the twitter plasmoid to the plasma bar on the bottom :)
[05:41] <nixternal> but lancelot, when drug to the bar looks groovy
[05:42] <CheGuevara> damn you know i am gonna do it now
[05:42] <nixternal> well, I can at least fix as much stuff in universe that deps on libungif
[05:42] <CheGuevara> lol
[05:42] <nixternal> lol
[05:42] <nixternal> w00t, about damn time this package uploaded
[05:42] <CheGuevara> lol
[05:42] <CheGuevara> and Riddell can fix main
[05:43] <CheGuevara> hmm i see debian got some packages 4:3.98.0~svn753247
[05:43] <CheGuevara> i wanna merge those :P
[05:44] <nixternal> ya, they just did a svn checkout
[05:44] <nixternal> I caught that as well
[05:44] <nixternal> truthfully, I think we should update to a svn checkout
[05:44] <nixternal> so much stuff has changed since rc2
[05:44] <CheGuevara> yep
[05:45] <CheGuevara> should i work on that then
[05:45] <nixternal> ask Riddell on that one
[05:45] <nixternal> there has been a lot added, so dh_install --list-missing --sourcedir=debian/tmp will be your best friend
[05:45] <nixternal> although it shows all kinds of crazy things with our current kde4 packages
[05:46] <CheGuevara> hehe
[05:46] <CheGuevara> i need to learn anyway, this will be fun :P
[05:47] <CheGuevara> let me go to sleep for now
[05:47] <CheGuevara> good night
[05:47] <nixternal> k'nite
[06:10] <dasKreech> Whats a ungif?
[06:12] <dasKreech> nixternal: need a little guidance
[06:12] <dasKreech> Whats the normal rules for a ohohrelease?
[07:14] <nixternal> oi
[07:14] <nixternal> dasKreech: what do you mean by normal rules?
[07:16] <dasKreech> Well i just really started to pay attention for 3.5 so I'm guessing that they don't haev a huge slew of changes for a ohohrelelase
[07:16] <dasKreech> So what can we expect for 4.0.1++ ?
[07:17] <dasKreech> No new features?
[07:17] <Jucato> oi nixternal! :)
[07:17] <dasKreech> no bug fixes that change UI?
[07:17] <Jucato> hi dasKreech
[07:17] <dasKreech> Hey Ju
[07:17]  * yuriy is now confused about the licensing of adept
[07:18] <Jucato> yuriy: not a nice way to end your year :)
[07:18] <nixternal> dasKreech: won't know until we hit that point in time
[07:19] <yuriy> Jucato: i'll relax tomorrow...maybe :P
[07:19] <nixternal> that roadmap hasn't been created just yet
[07:19] <nixternal> howdy Jucato
[07:19] <Jucato> :D
[07:19] <Jucato> yuriy: I'm still researching on APT API stuff... just for curiousity... :)
[07:19] <Jucato> can't find any good info/doc
[07:19] <dasKreech> nixternal: they don't have rules for it in general?
[07:19] <Jucato> nixternal: happy new year.! are you feeling bitter?
[07:19] <Jucato> er.. better*
[07:20] <nixternal> damnit, you had me thinking I missed new years :)
[07:20] <nixternal> I have a head ache now, but feeling better than I have been
[07:20] <Jucato> :P
[07:20] <Jucato> good to hear
[07:20]  * Jucato is a bit happy today :)
[07:20] <Jucato> lacking sleep but happy :)
[07:21] <dasKreech> :-)
[07:21] <dasKreech> What were you doing?
[07:21] <Jucato> slept over at a friend's house... but that's not the reason why I'm happy :)
[07:21] <nixternal> I guess it would be a happy new year to you Jucato
[07:21] <Jucato> my sister promised me her Palm z22 if I could get it fixed... luckily for me... it only needed recharging :)
[07:22] <dasKreech> ha ha ha ha
[07:22] <dasKreech> I need your sister
[07:22] <Jucato> and to think that it has been sitting unused for almost a year... just because she thought it was broken :D
[07:22] <Jucato> now I need to find new warez for it...
[07:22] <Jucato> oh if only it could run some sort of Linux or Qt :P
[07:23] <dasKreech> can't it?
[07:23] <Jucato> dunno... maybe not
[08:02] <yuriy> ok enough for tonight
[08:02] <yuriy> happy new year Jucato
[08:37] <Jucato> yuriy: happy new year ! :)
[08:52] <dasKreech> What's a hogmanay?
[10:03] <CheGuevara> re
[10:12] <Jucato> do
[10:40] <CheGuevara> hey jpatrick
[10:41] <jpatrick> hi CheGuevara !
[10:41] <CheGuevara> hows it going
[10:42] <jpatrick> good good
[10:42] <jpatrick> you?
[10:42] <CheGuevara> alright, just woke up a bit too early
[10:42] <CheGuevara> only had 5 hours of sleep heh
[10:43] <jpatrick> well, I'm kind of out of coffee
[10:43] <CheGuevara> don't drink coffee anyway :P
[10:44]  * jpatrick has to figure out how to set up all his channels in irssi
[11:22] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: if you got your dsc, diff.gz and orig.gz files, whats the quickest way to extra, apply the diff, basically end up with what apt-get source gets you
[11:22] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: dget the .dsc and dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[11:24] <CheGuevara> thanks :)
[11:29] <CheGuevara> i wish X would stop crashing :P
[11:29] <jpatrick> fix it!
[11:47] <Riddell> CheGuevara: do take the .orig from debian if you want, just make sure to coordinate with nixternal incase he's doing anything
[11:48] <CheGuevara> Riddell: cool, but you are fine with bumping to debian's svn builds?
[11:49] <Riddell> CheGuevara: yeah sure
[11:49] <Riddell> that's what I ment
[11:49] <CheGuevara> oh great
[11:49] <CheGuevara> i wonder where nixternal's kde4libs_3.97.0-3ubuntu4 came from
[11:49] <CheGuevara> since last .97 in debian was kde4libs_3.97.0-2
[11:50] <Riddell> possibly debian's pkg-kde svn
[11:51] <CheGuevara> ah yeah forgot about that one
[13:06] <Riddell> hi kwwii, enjoying hogmanay?
[13:25] <Lure> hi Riddell
[13:26] <Riddell> afternoon Lure
[14:23] <jjesse_> interesting, i noticed cdimage.ubuntu.com still referes to Kubuntu 8.04 as LTS
[14:25] <Riddell> I'm always scared to touch that stuff, could break things horribly
[14:25] <jjesse_> oh hello Riddell
[14:27] <dasKreech> Riddell: !!
[14:27] <dasKreech> Good to see you
[14:27] <Riddell> good afternoon
[14:28] <dasKreech> prophecy_: Hope you enjoyed your time off
[14:28] <dasKreech> Errm
[14:28] <dasKreech> Riddell
[14:29] <Riddell> many celebrations, but the most important is yet to come
[14:30] <Jucato> Riddell, jjesse_, dasKreech! Happy new year!!!
[14:30] <dasKreech> Riddell: Turning up for the release party?
[14:30] <dasKreech> Jucato: New year of happiness!!
[14:30] <Jucato> hopefully :)
[14:31] <dasKreech> Here is to Blonts!
[14:31] <Jucato> no. no blonts :P
[14:32] <dasKreech> but ... they make me happy :(
[14:32]  * dasKreech grins
[14:32] <Jucato> hehe
[14:36] <Riddell> Jucato: happy 2008 to you
[14:41] <Nightrose> Riddell: heya :) news about fosdem accomodation - we think this one is nice - sven already stayed there last year - 30 min by bus to the event location and 15 min by foot to the beer event
[14:41] <Nightrose> what do you think?
[14:41] <Nightrose> http://www.laj.be/html/en/hostels/brel/aubergesbrel_en01.htm
[14:43] <Riddell> Nightrose: that's where KDE have booked before
[14:43] <Riddell> which may be fine
[14:44] <Nightrose> Riddell: yea
[14:44] <Nightrose> so you are fine with it?
[14:44] <Nightrose> and is there someone on the list you want to share a room with or one on your own?
[14:45] <Riddell> as many people as possible preferably, to keep costs low
[14:46] <Nightrose> ok
[14:56] <Nightrose> Riddell: ok we are trying to get 1 room for 10 and 2 rooms for 2
[15:00] <Jucato> Nightrose: happy new year!
[15:01] <Jucato> (approx. 1 hour to go...)
[15:01] <Nightrose> Jucato: :) to you too
[15:18] <blueyed> How can I get debug output from Amarok? (i.e. verbose info dumped to STDOUT)
[15:19] <jjesse_> happy new year jussi01
[15:19] <jjesse_> doh
[15:19] <jjesse_> Jucato
[15:20] <Riddell> CheGuevara: you still have libungif diffs to be uploaded right?
[15:21] <Jucato> jjesse_: :P
[15:40] <Lure> off for this year - have a nice party and happy new year to everyone
[15:42] <jpatrick> Lure: likewise!
[15:49] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: happy new year :)
[15:59] <txwikinger> Jucato: Happy New Year
[16:18] <Jucato> txwikinger, jpatrick: happy new year!
[16:18]  * Jucato goes back outside :)
[16:26] <jpatrick> Jucato: happy new year!
[16:26]  * jpatrick makes his last upload for the year
[16:28] <ryanakca> wow, looks like Kubuntu is beating Ubuntu in the preference contest... #ubuntu-bots :)
[16:35] <dasKreech> ryanakca: how does that work?
[16:37] <ryanakca> join the -bots channel and vote... we've fallen behind by one vote :)
[16:37] <jpatrick> ryanakca: I can't, damn irssi...
[16:37] <ryanakca> dasKreech: basically, you join and say "X is the best Y"... Kubuntu was in the lead for the best Linux distribution
[16:54] <CheGuevara> Riddell: i've uploaded all for main and some for universe, but its not done yet, still working on it
[17:02] <jpatrick> neversfelde: as in: 1) I don't speak great german 2) I have no idea what's up with the site ;)
[17:03] <jpatrick> ah, wrong site
[17:05] <dasKreech> jpatrick: What? how come you can't join?
[17:06] <jpatrick> dasKreech: I dunno, irssi opens up the window then closes it
[17:10] <dasKreech> Kde 4 is a TON of GNU!
[17:10]  * dasKreech chuckles at his own terrible pun
[17:11] <dasKreech> !info kmuddy
[17:11] <ubotu> Package kmuddy does not exist in gutsy
[17:11] <dasKreech> apachelogger__: Kmuddy/
[17:41] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: did you get kdebindings to work?
[17:41] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: I was never working in it
[17:43] <CheGuevara> duh
[17:43] <CheGuevara> it was imbrandon
[17:43] <CheGuevara> sorry lol
[17:44] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: С Новым годом anyway!
[17:45] <CheGuevara> jpatrick: Спасибо
[17:45] <blueyed> Any idea why amarok fails in my pbuilder like this: http://pastebin.ca/840285 ?
[17:45] <CheGuevara> same to you :P
[17:47] <jpatrick> blueyed: it's missing that file
[17:48] <blueyed> jpatrick: yes, but shouldn't it get created during the build?
[17:48] <jpatrick> blueyed: you better check that you've set it to build it
[17:48] <blueyed> It's the original source, with a minor, unrelated patch.
[17:49] <jpatrick> check the amarok.install file
[17:52] <blueyed> jpatrick: there it is, causing the error.. that's the point, isn't it? :)
[17:52] <jpatrick> blueyed: yes the package maker can't find it anymore..
[17:53] <blueyed> package maker == dh_install?
[17:53] <jpatrick> bit of it
[17:53] <jpatrick> you'll to check the build if it actually got built
[17:54] <blueyed> jpatrick: I'm building it myself, which fails..
[17:54] <blueyed> But I'm building again with "| tee build.log" and then see what I can find.
[17:54] <jpatrick> grep "libamarok_ipod-mediadevice.la" build.log
[18:01] <nixternal> CheGuevara: you doing some builds?
[18:04] <CheGuevara> am looking at kdelibs 3.98 snapshot atm
[18:05] <CheGuevara> set up a ppa for testing
[18:05] <CheGuevara> nixternal: are there newer buids in the kde package svn then experimental?
[18:17] <nixternal> all kde4 packages in alioth are experimental
[18:17] <CheGuevara> kk
[18:17] <CheGuevara> looking good atm
[18:17] <CheGuevara> just gotta update the .install files
[18:21] <nixternal> you need to edit the kde.mk file as well
[18:22] <CheGuevara> nixternal: done it
[18:22] <CheGuevara> http://pastebin.ca/840310
[18:30] <nixternal> CheGuevara: http://pastebin.ca/840319
[18:30] <nixternal> don't forget the LINKER_FLAGS
[18:32] <CheGuevara> nixternal: its removed in debian
[18:33] <CheGuevara> * Remove extra LDFLAGS. Included via CDBS now.
[18:33] <CheGuevara> am not sure if that applies to us?
[18:36] <nixternal> that is the way I did it for the other packages already
[18:37] <blueyed> jpatrick: now it built, odd.
[18:37] <jpatrick> blueyed: hmm.. :|
[18:39] <blueyed> jpatrick: could be worse.. ;)
[18:39] <blueyed> Happy new year everybody!
[18:39] <jpatrick> blueyed: that is always a possiblity
[19:07] <yuriy> *sigh* linking problems are so much more puzzling than compiling
[19:22] <nixternal> CheGuevara: the intel blog post went well...everyone is reporting much higher fps :)
[19:25] <CheGuevara> nice :P
[20:09] <nixternal> Happy Year of KDE 4 Everyone!
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Kubuntu_Demoted_Gnome_Gets_Thumbs_Up_From_Canonical
[20:11] <nixternal> haha
[20:11] <nixternal> digg, about as useless as teets on a boar
[20:12] <nosrednaekim> heh
[20:13] <nixternal> hahah, I love the comment by nirvanix
[20:14] <nosrednaekim> mmhm
[20:38] <CheGuevara> Please, be honest with me. I'm not trying to start flame wars or anything. Why would KDE need to be LTS at any point in time? KDE is far beyond the use case for a work (as in business) user. Everything Gnome and under needs to be supported.
[20:38] <CheGuevara> wow
[20:38] <CheGuevara> $stupid++
[20:39] <wolfger> I lost IQ points just reading that
[20:39] <CheGuevara> lol
[20:48] <nixternal> hahahahhahahaha#@#@
[20:48] <nixternal> wolfger: that was damn funny
[20:48] <nixternal> lunch time
[21:21] <yuriy> whoa it built
[22:18] <doc__> hi there
[22:18] <Tm_T> hello
[23:30] <yuriy> well i was hoping to have something more interesting, but this is all i can get for now
[23:30] <yuriy> http://www.yktech.us/temp/adeptqt4.png
[23:30] <yuriy> Happy new year! :D
[23:39] <doc__> yuriy: :))
[23:40] <smarter> yuriy: that's awesome, thanks :)
[23:40] <wolfger> Happy KDE4 Year, everybody!
[23:42] <nosrednaekim> ah...next meeting is at a good US time..