[00:27] <CheGuevara> Ubulette: you around?
[00:27] <Ubulette> yes
[00:27] <CheGuevara> you may wanna ask hobbsee about nss in new, explain to her that its needed, basically all you said
[00:27] <CheGuevara> she's an archive admin and sensible person
[00:28] <CheGuevara> no guarantess, but it might speed things up
[00:31] <CheGuevara> Ubulette: but i share your opinion that the process is quiet complicated, one thing i've noticed, it's all about poking the right people, not saying "can someone review", but poking specific people, if you know what i mean
[00:32] <Ubulette> well, i no longer care. it is not my upload in the 1st place (*). I just wanted to please users begging me to know if/when ff3 b2 will be in hardy. I've asked and you've read the answers, "paid devs are on holidays so you have to wait"
[00:32] <CheGuevara> yeah i get you Ubulette
[00:32] <CheGuevara> thing is packages piled up long before the holidays...
[00:33] <Ubulette> (*) and i'm not really happy with what's inside (nss).. it's just that it's a blocker for xul then for ff3
[00:34] <CheGuevara> i guess its done mostly for legal reasons
[00:34] <Ubulette> what ?
[00:34] <CheGuevara> ie, so some non free stuff doesn't go through
[00:34] <CheGuevara> the checking of new queue by core devs
[00:35] <Ubulette> i know that. i'm just sick of always waiting without eta
[00:36] <CheGuevara> Ubulette: i totally know how you feel, i got 3 packages waiting in new myself
[00:36] <CheGuevara> though i got them through revu in a day
[00:36] <Ubulette> there's always a good reason, holidays, freeze, foss, whatever meeting, etc.
[00:37] <CheGuevara> Ubulette: wouldn't you qualify for motu?
[00:37] <CheGuevara> i am sure asac would vouch for you
[00:37] <CheGuevara> though that still won't solve all issues with waiting
[00:37] <Ubulette> i've pushed 3 or 4 packages to revu, i never got one sponsored, and I only got one commented
[00:37] <CheGuevara> oh right
[00:39] <Ubulette> i thought my contributions were useful but in fact, noone cares
[00:40] <CheGuevara> Ubulette: have you tried getting advocates on revu days?
[00:40] <Ubulette> the only things people care about are merges and syncs
[00:41] <Ubulette> i'm not doing much of those, i do packaging or even dev
[00:41] <CheGuevara> hmm
[00:41] <CheGuevara> have you ever tried working with upsream
[00:41] <CheGuevara> (debian)
[00:42] <Ubulette> not for a long while. I've been using debian since 1996
[00:42] <Ubulette> or 97
[00:43] <CheGuevara> ah
[00:44] <CheGuevara> just thinking that it may be easier that way, then just request those syncs :P
[00:45] <Ubulette> then they should clarify that motu is for merges/syncs from debian.
[00:46] <CheGuevara> heh, well its not really :P
[00:46] <CheGuevara> also may be ask asac to bring this up on the dev team meeting, that the current process discoruges ppl from contributing
[00:47] <Ubulette> i'm really thinking about dropping the ball completely
[00:48] <CheGuevara> meh don't, your contributions do make difference, and don't forget you have your PPA
[00:48] <CheGuevara> lots of users can use that
[00:51] <Ubulette> I don't even need ppa, I have my own builders.
[00:51] <CheGuevara> yeah but by your ppa end users can easily get your packages
[00:51] <Ubulette> it's just that i'm tired of begging for everything here
[00:52] <CheGuevara> yeah the whole process is a bit weird
[00:52] <CheGuevara> beg hard -> people get tired of your begging -> you become motu
[00:53] <Ubulette> it's not in my nature to beg
[00:53] <Ubulette> they don't want my help or my packages, fine. I'll do something else
[00:54] <CheGuevara> ...
[02:09] <asac> i asked hobsee already ... she didn't want to be responsible for newing a main lib
[02:09] <asac> CheGuevara: ^^
[02:09] <CheGuevara> figures...
[02:09] <asac> in two days everything will be back to normal
[02:09] <CheGuevara> asac: yeah but is normal normal?
[02:09] <CheGuevara> as in how many people how often actually process the new queue
[02:10] <asac> i think there is one dedicated person per day
[02:10] <asac> which will spend an hour or so on that day
[02:11] <CheGuevara> hmmm
[02:12] <CheGuevara> if thats actually true then i take it back :P
[02:12] <CheGuevara> but the size of the queue was huge before holidays as well
[02:12] <asac> only time when there accumulates a backlog is during freeze
[02:13] <asac> and given that we release every 6 month those freezes are frequent :)
[02:13] <asac> revu is a different beast. There is no real structure or dedication ... just voluntarily or on request (e.g. irc pings)
[02:13] <CheGuevara> heh true
[02:14] <CheGuevara> yeah revu can be a pain
[02:14] <CheGuevara> i got my packages revud same day by pinging right people, but people who just upload and leave have little chance lol
[02:14] <asac> yeah, but thats how it works ... i haven't seen any document stating that revu will be processed automatically
[02:15] <asac> using bugs to track that might help ... but then bug processing is probably not as instantanous as irc prodding ;)
[02:15] <CheGuevara> yeah
[02:15] <CheGuevara> thats why i am glad i got involved wiht kubuntu, we got at least 3 motus
[02:16] <CheGuevara> and they are always ready to review kde related stuff
[02:16] <CheGuevara> :P
[02:16] <Ubulette> persia told me several times that it is process chronologically at least on revu days (every monday)
[02:16] <Ubulette> +ed
[02:16] <CheGuevara> yeah thats what i was told as well
[02:16] <asac> yes, but every monday is not good enough
[02:16] <CheGuevara> yep
[02:16] <Ubulette> plus the usual cherry picks on demand (by beggers)
[02:17] <asac> begging != prodding
[02:17] <CheGuevara> :P
[02:19] <CheGuevara> thing is most crap packages come auto from debian
[02:19] <CheGuevara> and not ubuntu only packages
[02:21] <asac> yes ... ubuntu processes could be improved for self-maintained packages
[02:22] <Ubulette> but self-maintained packages are ignored unless you're a motu or a core dev
[02:23] <CheGuevara> to be fair new packages process will take as long as if you are motu or a normal user
[02:23] <CheGuevara> since the new queue process is the same for everyone
[02:23] <Ubulette> new is only a small step in the whole chain
[02:24] <Ubulette> well, i won't argue anymore, i've had enough of this for today
[02:25] <CheGuevara> Ubulette: just chill :P
[02:25] <Ubulette> i'm doing a full screen google map webapp, that's funnier than sterile complains about ubuntu being not friendly to its contributors
[02:27] <CheGuevara> :P
[14:53] <armin76> asac: ping
[14:59] <asac_> armin76: ?
[15:00] <armin76> asac_: the latest patch i posted works fine on sparc, and doesn't give unaligned access warnings on ia64
[15:04] <asac> have bug id?
[15:05] <armin76> again? :P
[15:05] <asac> well i don't remember the number :)
[15:05] <armin76> mozilla bug 161826
[15:05] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 161826 in Layout: Fonts and Text "nsTextFrame::MeasureText()'s fast text measuring codepath crashes on RISC machines" [Critical,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161826
[15:08] <asac> moz folks hate to review patches that are not produced using -p :)
[15:08] <asac> so you added the last hunk?
[15:08] <armin76> -p?
[15:08] <asac> cvs diff -pu8
[15:08] <asac> is the format they want
[15:08] <armin76> ah, right
[15:08] <armin76> i know
[15:08] <asac> so you see the method signature in diff
[15:08] <armin76> it's your fault, though
[15:09] <asac> easier to read
[15:09] <asac> my?
[15:09] <armin76> yah, when you asked me to put the patch my head hurt :P
[15:09] <armin76> j/k
[15:09] <asac> haha ... hope you are doing better now
[15:09] <asac> soon we have new year ... time to party ;)
[15:10] <armin76> i'll redo the patch later, plus i didn't do it against cvs :P
[15:41] <asac> ok i am out ... cu next year!
[16:09] <armin76> asac: done
[16:14] <Ubulette> damn, i wish mozilla bug 75375 was implemented
[16:14] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 75375 in Style System (CSS) "support for :nth-*() pseudo-classes" [Enhancement,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75375
[16:50] <Ubulette> leaving too. cu
[17:11] <bluekuja> have a great year everyone :)
[17:11] <bluekuja> cu tomorrow
[17:11] <bluekuja> asac, Ubulette, armin76: ^^